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This is pure numerology and has nothing to do whatsoever with Mesoamerican culture, history or cosmovision. At least, I don't know of any indigenous sources, present or past, that justify this game of numbers and concepts. This search for encrypted codes, hidden messages, or mystic signs is a 'cosmic dragon' created by pseudo scholars and laymen without any kind of theoretical or methodological framework.<BR> <BR>Michel R. Oudijk<BR>Seminario de Lenguas Indígenas<BR>Instituto de Investigaciones Filológicas<BR>Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México<BR> <BR>
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Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:16:01 -0800<BR>From: ahchich1@yahoo.com<BR>To: Nahuatl@lists.famsi.org<BR>Subject: [Nahuat-l] Aztec World Ages and the Calendar Stone<BR><BR><PRE><TT><TT>Dear Friends,<BR><BR>I have a question concerning the possible span of a world age as<BR> numerically recorded on the Aztec Calendar Stone. Gorden Brotherston in his<BR> Book of the Forth World (see his fig. 54 and pages 298-299) believes<BR> that the Aztec scribes encoded mathematically the time spans of world ages<BR> into the stone via the "mixcoa" or cloud serpents that frame the<BR> outer rim of the great stone. I am not an Aztec scholar so I can<BR> not refute or verify his interpretation. I hope those of you who are<BR> familiar with Aztec signs and iconography can tell me if his reading<BR> is at least plausible. <BR><BR>Here is what he writes on page 299 of the work:<BR><BR>"Just as the Era Four Ollin visually frames the proceeding four world<BR> ages at the center of the sunstone, so its length is recorded on the rim<BR> as we saw, in ten lots of ten Rounds imaged as cloud-snakes that issue<BR> from the squared scales of sky dragons to
right and left. Now as we<BR> noted above, the heads peering from the dragons' maws below belong<BR> respectively to Fire Lord (left) and the Sun (right), who are One and Four in<BR> the set of thirteen Heroes. Hence, each endows its dragon and the<BR> Rounds on its back with number value, a capacity they and others among them<BR> display, for example, in the Pinturas transcription of the world-age<BR> story. As One, Fire Lord simply confirms the 5,200-year total; as Four,<BR> Sun multiples it to 20,800 to the remaining four-fifths of the Great<BR> Year [26,000 years]. Hence:<BR><BR>1x10x10x52=5,200<BR>4x10x10x52=20,800<BR><BR> 26,000<BR><BR><BR>In the Cuauhtitlan Annals transcription of the Sunstone cosmogony, the<BR> four-fifths of the Great Year is noted as "CCCCC mixcoa," that is, four<BR> hundred cloud-snake rounds."<BR><BR><BR>My questions are these:<BR><BR>Do the Fire Lord and the Sun God have numerical equivalents of 1 and 4?<BR><BR>Are the 10
glyphs bordered by ten dots on the backs of the Serpents<BR> glyphs/names for the 52 year period?<BR><BR>Where else in Aztec lit. is it mentioned that the so called cloud<BR> serpents manifest or are seen as representing a world Era?<BR><BR>Finally is Gorden Brotherston still amongst the living so I might ask<BR> him directly?<BR><BR>IF GB is correct, then I believe there are are interesting parallels<BR> that can be made to the art, numerology and iconography of other<BR> MesoAmerican cultures.<BR><BR>I look forward to your answers.<BR><BR>Carl Callaway<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR> </TT></TT></PRE>
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