<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; "><span></span></font></div></div><div><br><div><div>On Jul 15, 2008, at 9:09 PM, Campbell, R Joe wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Nocnihuan,<br><br> I have a problem to present to the tribunal; actually, that's<br>overly modest -- I have more than a tzontli of problems, but for<br>now, I just brought:<br><br> motlaxcaloa tortillas are made (book 11, Florentine Codex)<br><br>My problem is based on the fact that this word doesn't fit my<br>framework for thinking about word formation. I think that there<br>are three apparent "verber" endings in -oa:<br><br> 1. intransitive, formed by adding -oa to a noun stem:<br><br> noun verb gloss<br><br> ayacachtli nayacachoa I use a rattle<br> camanalli camanaloa he makes jests<br> caxitl ticaxoah we use a bowl<br> quiquiztli niquiquizoa I sound a trumpet<br> tamalli titamaloa you produce tamales<br> teponaztli titeponazoah we play the teponaztli drum<br> tlaxcalli nitlaxcaloa I produce tortillas<br><br> 2. transitive, formed by changing intransitive -ihui or -ahui<br> (which *may* be formed on nouns) to -oa:<br><br><br> acalihui it develops a groove<br> nicacaloa I groove it<br><br> chichilihui it turns red<br> nitlachichiloa I color something red<br><br> ihtlacahui it deteriorates, it suffers damage<br> nitlahtlacoa I damage something, I sin<br><br> polihui it vanishes, it perishes<br> ticpoloa you destroy it, you spend it<br><br> tzetzelihui it sifts, it drifts scattering (e.g., like snow)<br> nitlatzetzeloa I sift something<br><br> xelihui it splits<br> nicxeloa I split it<br><br><br> 3. The third *apparent* -oa verber, which is normally spelled<br>with -oa, is really a masquerading -ohua. The 'hu' (/w/) does not<br>contrast with its absence after /o/, so some dialects delete it and<br>others insert /w/ in /oa/ sequences to form [owa].<br><br> I believe that all examples of (3) involve -hua added to '-yotl' with<br>an embedded noun. I will spell the examples in the traditional<br>deceptive way (i.e., with '-oa'):<br><br><br> acatl acayotl acayoa to fill up with cane<br> ahhuatl ahhuayotl ahhuayoa to fill up with thorns<br> atemitl atenyotl atenyoa to become lousy<br> azcatl azcayotl azcayoa to become full of ants<br> exotl exoyotl exoyoa it forms a bean<br> iztatl iztayotl iztayoa for food to be salty<br> teuhtli teuhyotl teuhyoa to become dusty<br><br>Of course when the noun stem embedded in '-yotl' ends in 'l', the<br>result is 'll':<br><br> ocuilin ocuillotl ocuilloa to become wormy<br> acelli acellotl acelloa to become full of nits<br> capolin capollotl capolloa to produce cherries<br><br>***********************<br><br>So that's the background. My problem is understanding how the<br>intransitive verb formation which is involved with 'tlaxcalli,<br>tamalli, and ayacachtli' can occur with the object prefix 'mo-'.<br>Here are all the examples I have found:<br><br>motamaloa. tamales are made.<br><br>momatlaxcaloa. it beats its wings together.<br><br>motlaxcaloa. tortillas are made.<br><br>momamatlaxcalohtiuh. it goes clapping its hands.<br> (I hope everyone likes the metaphor as much as I do.)<br><br>mocuechayacachoa. it rattles its rattles.<br><br>**********************<br><br>I would appreciate any thoughts from anybody who is sitting around<br>the cracker barrel this summer,<br><br>Joe<br><br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Nahuatl mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Nahuatl@lists.famsi.org">Nahuatl@lists.famsi.org</a><br>http://www.famsi.org/mailman/listinfo/nahuatl<br></div></blockquote></div><br></div><br><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; 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