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Dear Pedro,<br>
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While it would seem that this analysis could be valid, there are
examples of where the numerical is not treated to the loss of the final
part:<br>
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nahuiollin or nahui ollin.<br>
<br>
perhaps out of convention or style the name ome teotl became one word?<br>
<br>
What do you have as proof of ....."<font><font><font face="Arial"
size="2"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';"
lang="EN-US"><big>This conception of this trinity an[d] the union of
it, was shared by all the people of Mesoamerica"?<br>
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I have seen one, two, four, eight, 13, 52, etc., spoken of as being
significant often, but I cannot remember any pre-conquest allusions to
a "trinity"<br>
<br>
Duality (twins, life, death...) yes.... trinity... I have not seen it<br>
<br>
Please let me know your citations. <br>
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If there are post-conquest allusions to a trinity, I believe that that
would be a negotiation of theology by the indigenous people to <br>
<br>
conform their world view to a Christian view imposed by the Spanish.<br>
<br>
When we look at post-conquest writings (especially 1530-1690) we need
to look for resilient negotiation and bicultural meaning when indigenous<br>
informants speak of the divine.<br>
<br>
<br>
respectfully,</big><big><br>
<br>
Mario E. Aguilar, PhD<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.mexicayotl.org">www.mexicayotl.org</a><br>
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Pedro de Eguiluz wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; line-height: normal;"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';"
lang="EN-US">Ometeotl is usually translated as “Divine two”, but in
Nawatl when we join the word Ome “two” to another word (root) it looses
the final “e”, for example two stones is Ontetl. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; line-height: normal;"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';"
lang="EN-US">With Yei “three” happens similar when we join it to
another word it looses the final “i” and when we put it in the middle
of two words it looses also the “Y”. <span style=""> </span>So in
Ometeotl we have Om ”two”, e ”three” and teotl “divine”. So the
Ometeotl is Divine Two Three.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; line-height: normal;"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';"
lang="EN-US">In the Codex Vatican 3738, page 17, we can read “…the
first cause, called by another name Ometekutli, that is the same as
Lord of Three dignities”</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; line-height: normal;"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';"
lang="EN-US">This conception of this trinity an the union of it, was
shared by all the people of Mesoamerica. Duality as we know it,
good-bad arrived with Cortez and his army. This good-bad conception is
very poor and destructive, compared to Ometeotl "Divine uni dual
trinity", a higher conception that was not understood by the Europeans,
even now very few people in the world undestand it, if any.</span></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';"
lang="EN-US">Regards</span></p>
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style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';"
lang="EN-US">Pedro<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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