<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Michael and listeros,<div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Then perhaps someone can recommend a good recently written (within the last, say, 50 years) grammar of any variant of Nahuatl written by a native speaker.</div><div>John</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; 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Such a stem also appears in<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">colonial<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">writings. It is ?classical? Nahuatl that is exceptional and probably<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">innovative,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">while the ?modern dialects? may very well turn out to be more conservative.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I think we<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">need to be careful in using classical Nahuatl as the baseline for evaluating<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">good or bad usage or grammar in other varieties of Nahuatl that have<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">only been<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">documented more recently.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">\<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Michael:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Talk to Andrews; don't talk to me. I don't speak for him. In this case,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">what I tried to do was let you know what I recalled concerning *his*<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">point of view from reading his second book on grammar.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">:-)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Michael<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Nahuatl mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:Nahuatl@lists.famsi.org">Nahuatl@lists.famsi.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.famsi.org/mailman/listinfo/nahuatl">http://www.famsi.org/mailman/listinfo/nahuatl</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Nahuatl mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Nahuatl@lists.famsi.org">Nahuatl@lists.famsi.org</a><br>http://www.famsi.org/mailman/listinfo/nahuatl<br></div></blockquote></div><br></div><br><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; 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