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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">What is the
basis of the derivational cycle of –oa transitives derived from –Vwi intransitives?
If I remember correctly that was historically the case, but what would be the
basis for it in a synchronic description?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">I ask
because the corresponding Spanish verbs use the middle voice for intransitive
forms (pasarse, apurarse, castigarse…). It wouldn’t be surprising if such
constructions were then calqued into Nahuatl.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 10/21/09, John Sullivan, Ph.D. <i><idiez@mac.com></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: John Sullivan, Ph.D. <idiez@mac.com><br>Subject: [Nahuat-l] -oa vs -oa<br>To: nahuatl@lists.famsi.org<br>Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 11:20 PM<br><br><div id="yiv1948126614">Piyali notequixpoyohuan,<div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>I understand that there are two -oa suffixes: </div><div>1. one makes an intransitive verb out of nouns, and means to use, apply or produce that noun. For example, "tlaxcaloa, ni", "to produce tortillas".</div><div>2. another makes causative transitive verbs out of intransitive ones ending in -ihui or -ahui. In turn, the root of this -ihui/-ahui verb may or may not be identifiable as a noun. There are many examples of the progression: ihcuilihui>ihcuiloa,
alaxihui>alaxoa, etc.</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>The question I have is relating to <b>transitive</b> verbs formed by adding the suffix -oa to a Spanish loanword: for example, "paxaloa, nic", "aporaroa, nic/nimo", "castigaroa, nic", etc.</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Obviously this -oa suffix is not the one that forms intransitive verbs from nouns. So if itʻs the causative suffix, we can assume that there is a missing or skipped over intermediate form between the original noun and the final causative form. In other words:</div><div>a). apurar/aporar > "aporarihui, ni.", "to hurry" > "aporaroa, nic", "to cause s.o. to hurry"</div><div>b). castigar > "castigarihui, ni", "to be punished" > "castigaroa, nic", "to punish s.o."</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Does this hold up to
scrutiny?</div><div>John</div><div><br></div><div>
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