<html><head><base href="x-msg://3/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Piyali Baert,<div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>"-tla:n" with the long "a" forms place names. "-tlan" with the short "a" forms place names with the "-ti" ligature, It attaches directly to nouns stems or uses the ligature when it means "below, next to, amoung (Karttunen)" something. There are also some constructions referring to time/events, at least in Huastecan Nahuatl. Here are some examples (minus vowel length):</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>-elchiquititlan, "next to s.o.s ribs"</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>-nacaztlan, "to the side of s.o. (next to their ear)"</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>-quechtlan, "s.o.ʻs throat"</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>atitlan, "low land where water accumulates"</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>ahuahcatlan, "deep water"</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>-tzintlan, "the base of s.t."</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>tlazoltitlan, "place where there is a lot of garbage"</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>-nentlan, "place that s.o. is familiar with"</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>zoquititlan, "a muddy place"</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>tlazoquititlan, "place where it muddy all over"</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>tlaltzintlan, "underground"</div><div>And dealing with time:</div><div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>mecohtlan or mecohtitlan, "during carnavel (fiesta de los pintados)"</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; 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orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div lang="NL" link="#FF8000" vlink="yellow"><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><i><font size="2" color="blue" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; color: blue; font-style: italic; ">-TLOC and –NAHUAC:</span></font></i></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><i><font size="2" color="blue" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; color: blue; font-style: italic; ">Near, beside, nearby, with.</span></font></i></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><i><font size="2" color="blue" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; color: blue; font-style: italic; ">They are used frequently together.</span></font></i></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><i><font size="2" color="blue" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; color: blue; font-style: italic; ">They are mostly used in a possessif formation.</span></font></i></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><i><font size="2" color="blue" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; color: blue; font-style: italic; ">Tonahuac, near or beside us.</span></font></i></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><i><font size="2" color="blue" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; color: blue; font-style: italic; ">Tlanahuac, nearby something.</span></font></i></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><i><font size="2" color="blue" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; color: blue; font-style: italic; ">Cuahuitl inahuac, near a tree.</span></font></i></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><i><font size="2" color="blue" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; color: blue; font-style: italic; ">Notloc xinemi, live with me.</span></font></i></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><i><font size="2" color="blue" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; color: blue; font-style: italic; ">The suffix –pa can be used after –tloc.</span></font></i></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><i><font size="2" color="blue" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; color: blue; font-style: italic; ">Notlocpa ximotlali, sit down nearby me.</span></font></i></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><i><font size="2" color="blue" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; color: blue; font-style: italic; ">The honour titles are –nahuactzinco and –tloctzinco.</span></font></i></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><i><font size="2" color="blue" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; color: blue; font-style: italic; ">Itloctzinco inahuactzinco ninemi in teuctli, I live beside the Lord.</span></font></i></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><i><font size="2" color="blue" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; color: blue; font-style: italic; ">Nahuac can be used on a nominal stem.</span></font></i></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><i><font size="2" color="blue" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; color: blue; font-style: italic; ">Nacalnahuac, nearby my house.</span></font></i></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><i><font size="2" color="blue" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; color: blue; font-style: italic; ">A lot of toponymes are made this way.</span></font></i></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><i><font size="2" color="blue" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; color: blue; font-style: italic; ">Cuauhnahuac,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></i><i><font color="blue"><span lang="EN-US" style="color: blue; font-style: italic; ">Cuernavaca</span></font></i><i><font color="blue"><span lang="EN-US" style="color: blue; font-style: italic; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(beside the trees)</span></font></i></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><i><font size="2" color="blue" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; color: blue; font-style: italic; ">Anahuac</span></font></i><i><font color="blue"><span lang="EN-US" style="color: blue; font-style: italic; ">, name of the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></i><i><font color="blue"><span lang="EN-US" style="color: blue; font-style: italic; ">valley</span></font></i><i><font color="blue"><span lang="EN-US" style="color: blue; font-style: italic; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></i><i><font color="blue"><span lang="EN-US" style="color: blue; font-style: italic; ">Mexico</span></font></i><i><font color="blue"><span lang="EN-US" style="color: blue; font-style: italic; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(beside the water).</span></font></i></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><i><font size="2" color="blue" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; color: blue; font-style: italic; ">Tloc and nahuac, forming each a possessif noun, tloqueh nahuaqueh.</span></font></i></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><i><font size="2" color="blue" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; color: blue; font-style: italic; ">-TLAN</span></font></i></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><i><font size="2" color="blue" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; color: blue; font-style: italic; ">The suffix –tlan is exclusively used to form toponymes</span></font></i></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><i><font size="2" color="blue" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; color: blue; font-style: italic; ">Tollan, the suffixe –tlan with assimilation (l + tl = ll).</span></font></i></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><i><font size="2" color="blue" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; color: blue; font-style: italic; ">Lahun ik 62</span></font></i></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; 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