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<P>Tocnihuan listeros, </P>
<P>Hierwith I only want to correct a line of my previous mail</P>
<P>Where it says: <EM>in quinequía, choloz ilpihtoc (ilpihtica) yn axno, </EM>it must be: in quinequía <STRONG>choloz,</STRONG> ilpihtoc (ilpihtica) yn axno. The coma must be after <STRONG>choloz.</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG></STRONG>A coma sometimes is very important! </P>
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<B>On Wed 31/03/10 7:21 AM , t_amaya@megared.net.mx sent:<br>
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<P>Hallo Ken Kitayama,</P>
<P>My first reading is. "on his foot, it is written ...", my seccond: "on his foot, it is painted"</P>
<P>Explaining: ca and oc (tica and toc) can be used for a resultant state, if you want to express the progressive tense you have to say e.g. tlahcuiliuhtica, quiihcuiliuhtica (he is writting (something), he is painting it); i.e. we have to use the "thing" or "accusative" particle. </P>
<P>For me, according to the context, the verb may mean "to write" or "to paint". </P>
<P>Exemple in nahuat of Cuetzalan: in quinequía, choloz ilpihtoc (ilpihtica) yn axno (the donkey is tied because he wanted to escape) </P>
<P>You also have the particle tech, whose meaning is precisely "on".</P>
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Pay attention: depending on the context the text could mean: "on his food, that is painted ..." ; it depends if you read: yn itech yxci, ihcuiliuhtica, or: in itech ixci ihcuiliuhtica. </P>
<P>Exemples: Yn itech imetz (foot in Cuetzalan nahuat), ihcuiliuhtica ce totot; on his foot, it is painted a bird. In itech imetz-ihcuiliuhtica, motta ce totot (on his painted foot one can see a bird). </P>
<P>I hope it helps you</P>
<P>Nimitztlapaloa. </P>
<P>Tomas Amaya<br>
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<B>On Sun 28/03/10 6:30 PM , "Ken Kitayama" kk2443@columbia.edu sent:<br>
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