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1. matlalin - blue, green, blue-green? (Molly Bassett)<br>
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Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 14:01:04 -0400<br>
From: Molly Bassett <<a href="mailto:mbassett@gsu.edu">mbassett@gsu.edu</a>><br>
Subject: [Nahuat-l] matlalin - blue, green, blue-green?<br>
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Hi, all.<br>
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I'm working on a piece dealing with the significance of colors in <br>
precontact Central Mexican religious contexts, and I have a question <br>
about the meaning of ma:tla:lin.<br>
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Frances Karttunen follows Molina in defining matlalin as ?the color <br>
dark green?: ?This is attested in Z in matlalzahuatl (literally <br>
?green pox?) and possibly in Matlalpan, although the sense of the <br>
latter would be obcure from this gloss, which appears to have <br>
something to do with lowness of sature. Conceivably it is derived <br>
instead from tlalpan ?on the ground'" (139).<br>
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But Dibble & Anderson translate matlalin as ?blue? in the Florentine, <br>
which notes that "its name comes from nowhere. It is the blossom of <br>
an herb, a blossom. This matlalin is blue and a little herb-green. <br>
It is very sound, firm, good, of good appearance, fresh green. It is <br>
fresh green, very resh green. . . . / acan quizqui in itoca, xihuitl <br>
ixochyo, xochitl: inin matlali texotic, ihuan achi quiltic, cenca <br>
ixtlapalhui, ixchicactic, cualli, cualnezqui, celic, celic, <br>
celpatic. . . ." (11: 240).<br>
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The Badianus Ms. cites matlalxochitl (presumably the xochitl referred <br>
to in the Florentine?) as an element in a treatment for "heat" in the <br>
eyes (pl. 14, p. 218). The footnote for matlalxochitl glosses the <br>
term as "blue flower" identifies the plant as "the dayflower, <br>
Commelina, of which a number of species are found on the Mexican <br>
plateau. A native variant Nahuatl name for it is matlaliztic. <br>
Hern?ndez refers to several varieties of matlalxochitl (pp. 383-4), <br>
but none of the illustrations resembles Commelina; thus the name must <br>
have been applied to several flowers of blue color" (219-20).<br>
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So, two of these three sources relate matlalin to blue; I haven't <br>
followed up on Hern?ndez yet. Are there other places I should look <br>
for more information on matlalin as blue or green? I realize that <br>
blue-green functioned as a range or spectrum in precontact <br>
Mesoamerica, but the discrepancy among these sources has piqued my <br>
curiosity.<br>
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Thanks,<br>
Molly<br>
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Molly H. Bassett<br>
Assistant Professor, Mesoamerican Religions and Indigenous Traditions<br>
Department of Religious Studies<br>
Georgia State University<br>
1137 34 Peachtree Street NW<br>
Atlanta, GA 30302<br>
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