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It has about 650 habitants and it is almost a thousand years old.<br>
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Prior to the arrival of the the Spaniards Tlalcosahua was there.<br>
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It has been interpreted as THE PLACE WHERE THE WATER TWIST<br>
SITIO DONDE EL AGUA SERPENTEA..<br>
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THERE IS NO EXPLANATION OF THE MAKE UP OF THE WORD<br>
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AND THAT IS WHAT I AM TRYING TO OBTAIN.<br>
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 20:50:14 -0400<br>
From: "Leeming, Ben" <<a href="mailto:b.leeming@rivers.org">b.leeming@rivers.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Nahuat-l] Nahuatl Digest, Vol 179, Issue 1<br>
To: Michael McCafferty <<a href="mailto:mmccaffe@indiana.edu">mmccaffe@indiana.edu</a>>, "<a href="mailto:vazquezdiaz@aol.com">vazquezdiaz@aol.com</a>"<br>
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A couple of ideas from the New England contingent:<br>
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I definitely agree that "sa" is really "za". Initially I was thinking "zahua" <br>
as in "to fast"...but then the "tlalco" doesn't quite work. I started working <br>
with Michael's "-huah" (preterit agentive noun of possession suffix) and then <br>
may have hit on something. What if that "coz" or even "coza" has to do with <br>
"yellow", and "tlalcozahua" is something like "owner of yellow earth"? But <br>
there's that "a" after "coz"...<br>
<br>
There's also the "coz" of "co:ztli" (necklace). The original post's author <br>
didn't indicate vowel length so this might be possible. But then there's that <br>
"a" of "coza" again... I did find "cozahuiya" (to turn yellow). Could this <br>
shorten to give us "coza"?<br>
<br>
How about this? Karttunen has an entry for "cozehua" which she defines as "to <br>
make something turn yellow" (which supports my "coztic" theory). Perhaps <br>
"tlalcozahua" is really "tlalcozehua" and means "to make (the) earth turn <br>
yellow".<br>
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I guess I would ask the original post's author for some context. What is the <br>
source? Can you give us some more of the passage? Is there any hint at vowel <br>
length?<br>
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What do others think?<br>
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On 6/1/10 4:10 PM, "Michael McCafferty" <<a href="mailto:mmccaffe@indiana.edu">mmccaffe@indiana.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Please help me out with the meaning of the word TLALCOSAHUA<br>
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Sounds like 'earth-ferret-haver'<br>
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tla:l-co:zah-huah<br>
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someone who has/owns an 'earth-ferret'...whatever that is. :-)<br>
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Subject: Re: [Nahuat-l] Nahuatl Digest, Vol 179, Issue 1<br>
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la localidad de Tlalcosahua est? situado en el Municipio de Huej?car <br>
(en el Estado de Jalisco).<br>
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de PueblosAmerica.com<br>
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uoting "Leeming, Ben" <<a href="mailto:b.leeming@rivers.org">b.leeming@rivers.org</a>>:<br>
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> A couple of ideas from the New England contingent:<br>
><br>
> I definitely agree that "sa" is really "za". Initially I was<br>
> thinking "zahua" as in "to fast"...but then the "tlalco" doesn't<br>
> quite work. I started working with Michael's "-huah" (preterit<br>
> agentive noun of possession suffix) and then may have hit on<br>
> something. What if that "coz" or even "coza" has to do with<br>
> "yellow", and "tlalcozahua" is something like "owner of yellow<br>
> earth"? But there's that "a" after "coz"...<br>
><br>
> There's also the "coz" of "co:ztli" (necklace). The original post's<br>
> author didn't indicate vowel length so this might be possible. But<br>
> then there's that "a" of "coza" again... I did find "cozahuiya" (to<br>
> turn yellow). Could this shorten to give us "coza"?<br>
><br>
> How about this? Karttunen has an entry for "cozehua" which she<br>
> defines as "to make something turn yellow" (which supports my<br>
> "coztic" theory). Perhaps "tlalcozahua" is really "tlalcozehua" and<br>
> means "to make (the) earth turn yellow".<br>
><br>
> I guess I would ask the original post's author for some context.<br>
> What is the source? Can you give us some more of the passage? Is<br>
> there any hint at vowel length?<br>
><br>
> What do others think?<br>
><br>
> Ben<br>
><br>
> Ben Leeming<br>
> Chair, History Department<br>
> The Rivers School<br>
> Weston, MA 02493<br>
> (781) 235-9300<br>
><br>
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> On 6/1/10 4:10 PM, "Michael McCafferty" <<a href="mailto:mmccaffe@indiana.edu">mmccaffe@indiana.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Quoting <a href="mailto:vazquezdiaz@aol.com">vazquezdiaz@aol.com</a>:<br>
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>> Please help me out with the meaning of the word TLALCOSAHUA<br>
>><br>
>><br>
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> Sounds like 'earth-ferret-haver'<br>
><br>
> tla:l-co:zah-huah<br>
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> someone who has/owns an 'earth-ferret'...whatever that is. :-)<br>
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> Michael<br>
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 21:23:56 -0400<br>
From: "Leeming, Ben" <<a href="mailto:b.leeming@rivers.org">b.leeming@rivers.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Nahuat-l] Nahuatl Digest, Vol 179, Issue 1<br>
To: Michael McCafferty <<a href="mailto:mmccaffe@indiana.edu">mmccaffe@indiana.edu</a>><br>
Cc: "<a href="mailto:nahuatl@lists.famsi.org">nahuatl@lists.famsi.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:nahuatl@lists.famsi.org">nahuatl@lists.famsi.org</a>>,<br>
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Ok. But what does Tlalcosahua mean?<br>
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I'm curious to hear John Sullivan's two cents. John?<br>
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la localidad de Tlalcosahua est? situado en el Municipio de Huej?car<br>
(en el Estado de Jalisco).<br>
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de PueblosAmerica.com<br>
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uoting "Leeming, Ben" <<a href="mailto:b.leeming@rivers.org">b.leeming@rivers.org</a>>:<br>
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> A couple of ideas from the New England contingent:<br>
><br>
> I definitely agree that "sa" is really "za". Initially I was<br>
> thinking "zahua" as in "to fast"...but then the "tlalco" doesn't<br>
> quite work. I started working with Michael's "-huah" (preterit<br>
> agentive noun of possession suffix) and then may have hit on<br>
> something. What if that "coz" or even "coza" has to do with<br>
> "yellow", and "tlalcozahua" is something like "owner of yellow<br>
> earth"? But there's that "a" after "coz"...<br>
><br>
> There's also the "coz" of "co:ztli" (necklace). The original post's<br>
> author didn't indicate vowel length so this might be possible. But<br>
> then there's that "a" of "coza" again... I did find "cozahuiya" (to<br>
> turn yellow). Could this shorten to give us "coza"?<br>
><br>
> How about this? Karttunen has an entry for "cozehua" which she<br>
> defines as "to make something turn yellow" (which supports my<br>
> "coztic" theory). Perhaps "tlalcozahua" is really "tlalcozehua" and<br>
> means "to make (the) earth turn yellow".<br>
><br>
> I guess I would ask the original post's author for some context.<br>
> What is the source? Can you give us some more of the passage? Is<br>
> there any hint at vowel length?<br>
><br>
> What do others think?<br>
><br>
> Ben<br>
><br>
> Ben Leeming<br>
> Chair, History Department<br>
> The Rivers School<br>
> Weston, MA 02493<br>
> (781) 235-9300<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 6/1/10 4:10 PM, "Michael McCafferty" <<a href="mailto:mmccaffe@indiana.edu">mmccaffe@indiana.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Quoting <a href="mailto:vazquezdiaz@aol.com">vazquezdiaz@aol.com</a>:<br>
><br>
>><br>
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>> Please help me out with the meaning of the word TLALCOSAHUA<br>
>><br>
>><br>
><br>
><br>
> Sounds like 'earth-ferret-haver'<br>
><br>
> tla:l-co:zah-huah<br>
><br>
> someone who has/owns an 'earth-ferret'...whatever that is. :-)<br>
><br>
> Michael<br>
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Once again a contribution from nahuat of Cuetzalan. <br>
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1. Cozahua' is a verbal particle related to "getting yellow"<br>
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2. Cozahuac means "yellowish"<br>
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3. Firs meaning: talcozahua' (NC=tlalcozahua') => earth that is<br>
getting yellow<br>
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4. Second meaning: talcozahuac (NC= tlalcozahuac) => earth that is<br>
yellowish<br>
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5. Examples that may aid to understand it: Huitzil-opochtli =<br>
hummingbird that is left-handed; Cuauh-temoc = Eagle that has descendet;<br>
tezcatli-poca = mirror that smokes. <br>
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Niamechyoltlapalohua. <br>
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?green pox?) and possibly in Matlalpan, although the sense of the <br>
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instead from tlalpan ?on the ground'" (139).<br>
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an herb, a blossom. This matlalin is blue and a little herb-green. <br>
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It is very sound, firm, good, of good appearance, fresh green. It is <br>
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So, two of these three sources relate matlalin to blue; I haven't <br>
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