<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Quena cualli mocuamachilia!</div><div>John<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Nov 10, 2010, at 15:07, Frances Karttunen <<a href="mailto:karttu@comcast.net">karttu@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Jim Lockhart and I hypothesized that maquilia was a calque on Spanish dar palos, identifiying maca 'to give' with Spanish dar.<div><br></div><div>Fran</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Nov 10, 2010, at 11:23 AM, John Sullivan wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Magnus, Galen and Michael,<div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I can't find maquilia in any of the standard Classical dictionaries, so it's probably from the Spanish. Ma:itl+aqui would be nice except for the fact that the first "a" in maquilia isn't long. I guess the only strange thing is how the native speakers got their heads around the idea of a triple object verb, maquilia, being used to refer to a single object action.</div><div>John</div><div><br><div><div>On Nov 10, 2010, at 9:01 AM, Magnus Pharao Hansen wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Isn't it just the applicative of "maca" "give"? <br><br>In Hueyapan Nahuatl maca means both to hit and to give (as it does also in Spanish) when it is made applicative it further mimics the spanish construction where the object of a hitting action is not a direct object but a dative. <br> <br><br>Magnus<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br> From: John Sullivan <<a href="mailto:idiez@me.com"><a href="mailto:idiez@me.com">idiez@me.com</a></a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:nahuatl@lists.famsi.org"><a href="mailto:nahuatl@lists.famsi.org">nahuatl@lists.famsi.org</a></a><br>Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 08:48:36 -0600<br>Subject: [Nahuat-l] maquilia<br> <div style="word-wrap: break-word;">Piyali notequixpoyohuan,<div><span style="white-space: pre-wrap;"> </span>Does anybody have any ideas about how the word "maquilia," "to hit s.o., an animal or s.t." is constructed?</div> <div>John</div><div><br></div><div> <span style="border-collapse: separate; 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