From thien at UNIMELB.EDU.AU  Wed Nov  3 22:53:54 2010
From: thien at UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Nick Thieberger)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 12:53:54 -1000
Subject: summary pages
Message-ID: <WED.3.NOV.2010.125354.1000.>

I really like using the OLAC pages which summarise information
available for any language based on the aggregated metadata
(http://www.language-archives.org/language/[XXX]). This in itself is a
powerful argument for using OLAC standards (as I will be arguing next
week at the CTLDC meeting in Tokyo).

I am wondering if there is also a way of generating pages based on the
amount of information available, so that it would be possible to see a
page of ISO-639-3 codes for which there was no information available?
Or a list of all languages for which only descriptions occur but not
other material?

Thanks,

Nick


From sb at LDC.UPENN.EDU  Wed Nov  3 23:16:56 2010
From: sb at LDC.UPENN.EDU (Steven Bird)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 10:16:56 +1100
Subject: summary pages
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=Z-_5JO2tEqjGZCGanrVWgoErq0XudBYUdbJSP@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <THU.4.NOV.2010.101656.1100.OLACIMPLEMENTERS@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG>

Its nice to see some activity on this mailing list!

A page of ISO-639-3 codes for which no information is available would
be empty, thanks to the Ethnologue.

We could speculate about frequency-sorted lists, but any
implementation would run into problems for languages where IMDI is
providing metadata for individual sessions, contravening OLAC's
granularity requirement "A metadata repository should treat resources
with a single provenance as constituting a single unit with respect to
OLAC metadata and should, therefore, describe them within a single
record. " (http://www.language-archives.org/OLAC/repositories.html#Guidelines%20concerning%20relevance%20and%20granularity).
 For example:

http://www.language-archives.org/language/bea

I propose that you describe a few such reports in more detail as a
feature request in the OLAC Issue Tracker at:
http://code.google.com/p/olac/issues/entry?template=Feature%20Request

Thanks,
-Steven Bird

On 4 November 2010 09:53, Nick Thieberger <thien at unimelb.edu.au> wrote:
> I really like using the OLAC pages which summarise information
> available for any language based on the aggregated metadata
> (http://www.language-archives.org/language/[XXX]). This in itself is a
> powerful argument for using OLAC standards (as I will be arguing next
> week at the CTLDC meeting in Tokyo).
>
> I am wondering if there is also a way of generating pages based on the
> amount of information available, so that it would be possible to see a
> page of ISO-639-3 codes for which there was no information available?
> Or a list of all languages for which only descriptions occur but not
> other material?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick
>


From aristar at LINGUISTLIST.ORG  Thu Nov  4 00:18:42 2010
From: aristar at LINGUISTLIST.ORG (Anthony Aristar)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 20:18:42 -0400
Subject: summary pages
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinZv8vTPNakSaFL8ix-FaR==erLpq4xW4Q_JOOn@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <WED.3.NOV.2010.201842.0400.OLACIMPLEMENTERS@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG>

Not quite true, Steven.  For example, if you choose an extinct language 
like, for example, Messapic (cms), or a language which has been recently 
discovered, like Dahalik (LL local use code qc1) , you will often find 
no resources, or simply a reference to the LL language record.

On 11/3/2010 7:16 PM, Steven Bird wrote:
> Its nice to see some activity on this mailing list!
>
> A page of ISO-639-3 codes for which no information is available would
> be empty, thanks to the Ethnologue.
>
> We could speculate about frequency-sorted lists, but any
> implementation would run into problems for languages where IMDI is
> providing metadata for individual sessions, contravening OLAC's
> granularity requirement "A metadata repository should treat resources
> with a single provenance as constituting a single unit with respect to
> OLAC metadata and should, therefore, describe them within a single
> record. " (http://www.language-archives.org/OLAC/repositories.html#Guidelines%20concerning%20relevance%20and%20granularity).
>   For example:
>
> http://www.language-archives.org/language/bea
>
> I propose that you describe a few such reports in more detail as a
> feature request in the OLAC Issue Tracker at:
> http://code.google.com/p/olac/issues/entry?template=Feature%20Request
>
> Thanks,
> -Steven Bird
>
> On 4 November 2010 09:53, Nick Thieberger<thien at unimelb.edu.au>  wrote:
>> I really like using the OLAC pages which summarise information
>> available for any language based on the aggregated metadata
>> (http://www.language-archives.org/language/[XXX]). This in itself is a
>> powerful argument for using OLAC standards (as I will be arguing next
>> week at the CTLDC meeting in Tokyo).
>>
>> I am wondering if there is also a way of generating pages based on the
>> amount of information available, so that it would be possible to see a
>> page of ISO-639-3 codes for which there was no information available?
>> Or a list of all languages for which only descriptions occur but not
>> other material?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Nick
>>

-- 
       **************************************
Anthony Aristar, Director, Institute for Language information&
                            Technology
Professor of Linguistics            Moderator, LINGUIST
Linguistics Program
Dept. of English                    aristar at linguistlist.org
Eastern Michigan University         2000 Huron River Dr, Suite 104
Ypsilanti, MI 48197
U.S.A.

URL: http://linguistlist.org/aristar/

  


From sb at CSSE.UNIMELB.EDU.AU  Mon Nov 22 04:42:34 2010
From: sb at CSSE.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Steven Bird)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:42:34 +1100
Subject: OLAC faceted search: request for feedback
Message-ID: <MON.22.NOV.2010.154234.1100.OLACIMPLEMENTERS@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG>

Over the past 3 months, the OLAC team has been collaborating
with the digital libraries group at the UPenn Library to provide
"faceted search" over OLAC records.  The prototype site is available
here:

http://syslsl01.library.upenn.edu/dla/olac/index.html

The region and archive searches in the main section of the page are a
bit of a distraction.  The most interesting search possibilities are
provided by the links on the right hand side of the screen.  Each link
creates a filter, and clicking more links adds more filters.  You can
turn off the filters by clicking links on the top right.  As you
drill-down using these filters, you will see that the available
filters are tailored to the current result set.

Once you click on an item, you will see its metadata displayed in the
main section of the web page, and various options for searching for
related items on the right.

Please take a look, and let me know what you think.

Thanks,
-Steven Bird

From thien at UNIMELB.EDU.AU  Wed Nov  3 22:53:54 2010
From: thien at UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Nick Thieberger)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 12:53:54 -1000
Subject: summary pages
Message-ID: <WED.3.NOV.2010.125354.1000.>

I really like using the OLAC pages which summarise information
available for any language based on the aggregated metadata
(http://www.language-archives.org/language/[XXX]). This in itself is a
powerful argument for using OLAC standards (as I will be arguing next
week at the CTLDC meeting in Tokyo).

I am wondering if there is also a way of generating pages based on the
amount of information available, so that it would be possible to see a
page of ISO-639-3 codes for which there was no information available?
Or a list of all languages for which only descriptions occur but not
other material?

Thanks,

Nick


From sb at LDC.UPENN.EDU  Wed Nov  3 23:16:56 2010
From: sb at LDC.UPENN.EDU (Steven Bird)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 10:16:56 +1100
Subject: summary pages
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=Z-_5JO2tEqjGZCGanrVWgoErq0XudBYUdbJSP@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <THU.4.NOV.2010.101656.1100.OLACIMPLEMENTERS@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG>

Its nice to see some activity on this mailing list!

A page of ISO-639-3 codes for which no information is available would
be empty, thanks to the Ethnologue.

We could speculate about frequency-sorted lists, but any
implementation would run into problems for languages where IMDI is
providing metadata for individual sessions, contravening OLAC's
granularity requirement "A metadata repository should treat resources
with a single provenance as constituting a single unit with respect to
OLAC metadata and should, therefore, describe them within a single
record. " (http://www.language-archives.org/OLAC/repositories.html#Guidelines%20concerning%20relevance%20and%20granularity).
 For example:

http://www.language-archives.org/language/bea

I propose that you describe a few such reports in more detail as a
feature request in the OLAC Issue Tracker at:
http://code.google.com/p/olac/issues/entry?template=Feature%20Request

Thanks,
-Steven Bird

On 4 November 2010 09:53, Nick Thieberger <thien at unimelb.edu.au> wrote:
> I really like using the OLAC pages which summarise information
> available for any language based on the aggregated metadata
> (http://www.language-archives.org/language/[XXX]). This in itself is a
> powerful argument for using OLAC standards (as I will be arguing next
> week at the CTLDC meeting in Tokyo).
>
> I am wondering if there is also a way of generating pages based on the
> amount of information available, so that it would be possible to see a
> page of ISO-639-3 codes for which there was no information available?
> Or a list of all languages for which only descriptions occur but not
> other material?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick
>


From aristar at LINGUISTLIST.ORG  Thu Nov  4 00:18:42 2010
From: aristar at LINGUISTLIST.ORG (Anthony Aristar)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 20:18:42 -0400
Subject: summary pages
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinZv8vTPNakSaFL8ix-FaR==erLpq4xW4Q_JOOn@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <WED.3.NOV.2010.201842.0400.OLACIMPLEMENTERS@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG>

Not quite true, Steven.  For example, if you choose an extinct language 
like, for example, Messapic (cms), or a language which has been recently 
discovered, like Dahalik (LL local use code qc1) , you will often find 
no resources, or simply a reference to the LL language record.

On 11/3/2010 7:16 PM, Steven Bird wrote:
> Its nice to see some activity on this mailing list!
>
> A page of ISO-639-3 codes for which no information is available would
> be empty, thanks to the Ethnologue.
>
> We could speculate about frequency-sorted lists, but any
> implementation would run into problems for languages where IMDI is
> providing metadata for individual sessions, contravening OLAC's
> granularity requirement "A metadata repository should treat resources
> with a single provenance as constituting a single unit with respect to
> OLAC metadata and should, therefore, describe them within a single
> record. " (http://www.language-archives.org/OLAC/repositories.html#Guidelines%20concerning%20relevance%20and%20granularity).
>   For example:
>
> http://www.language-archives.org/language/bea
>
> I propose that you describe a few such reports in more detail as a
> feature request in the OLAC Issue Tracker at:
> http://code.google.com/p/olac/issues/entry?template=Feature%20Request
>
> Thanks,
> -Steven Bird
>
> On 4 November 2010 09:53, Nick Thieberger<thien at unimelb.edu.au>  wrote:
>> I really like using the OLAC pages which summarise information
>> available for any language based on the aggregated metadata
>> (http://www.language-archives.org/language/[XXX]). This in itself is a
>> powerful argument for using OLAC standards (as I will be arguing next
>> week at the CTLDC meeting in Tokyo).
>>
>> I am wondering if there is also a way of generating pages based on the
>> amount of information available, so that it would be possible to see a
>> page of ISO-639-3 codes for which there was no information available?
>> Or a list of all languages for which only descriptions occur but not
>> other material?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Nick
>>

-- 
       **************************************
Anthony Aristar, Director, Institute for Language information&
                            Technology
Professor of Linguistics            Moderator, LINGUIST
Linguistics Program
Dept. of English                    aristar at linguistlist.org
Eastern Michigan University         2000 Huron River Dr, Suite 104
Ypsilanti, MI 48197
U.S.A.

URL: http://linguistlist.org/aristar/

  


From sb at CSSE.UNIMELB.EDU.AU  Mon Nov 22 04:42:34 2010
From: sb at CSSE.UNIMELB.EDU.AU (Steven Bird)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:42:34 +1100
Subject: OLAC faceted search: request for feedback
Message-ID: <MON.22.NOV.2010.154234.1100.OLACIMPLEMENTERS@LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG>

Over the past 3 months, the OLAC team has been collaborating
with the digital libraries group at the UPenn Library to provide
"faceted search" over OLAC records.  The prototype site is available
here:

http://syslsl01.library.upenn.edu/dla/olac/index.html

The region and archive searches in the main section of the page are a
bit of a distraction.  The most interesting search possibilities are
provided by the links on the right hand side of the screen.  Each link
creates a filter, and clicking more links adds more filters.  You can
turn off the filters by clicking links on the top right.  As you
drill-down using these filters, you will see that the available
filters are tailored to the current result set.

Once you click on an item, you will see its metadata displayed in the
main section of the web page, and various options for searching for
related items on the right.

Please take a look, and let me know what you think.

Thanks,
-Steven Bird