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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Sherman Sans"">Thanks, Yvan. We are on the same page. Also, phonex had a much more elegant solution than regex for quantifying the scope of the issue – the phonex expression (._.) pulls
all the compound phones. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Sherman Sans";color:black">Nina</span><span style="font-family:"Sherman Sans""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#000E54">________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Sherman Serif";color:#D74100">Nina R Benway MS CCC-SLP</span></b><span style="font-family:"Sherman Serif";color:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span style="font-family:"Sherman Serif";color:#000E54">PhD Candidate<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Sherman Serif";color:#000E54">Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders<br>
Syracuse University<br>
NYS Licensed, ASHA Certified Speech-Language Pathologist<br>
NYS Certified Teacher of the Gifted and Talented<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://nrgslp.github.io/"><b><span style="font-family:"Sherman Serif";color:#000E54">nrgslp.github.io</span></b></a><b><span style="font-family:"Sherman Serif";color:#000E54"><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> phon@googlegroups.com <phon@googlegroups.com> <b>
On Behalf Of </b>Yvan Rose<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 22, 2020 9:57 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> phon@googlegroups.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: PPC Ignore Diacritics<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans"">Hi Nina,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans"">Your reply points at discrepancies in IPA transcription standards between your target/actual forms, which will clearly yield analytic artefacts. Once you address this transcription
issue (either remove the ligatures or add them everywhere), everything should fall into place nicely.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans"">On this note, I would recommend against any post-hoc fix for issues in transcriptions (your primary data source). Instead, I recommend you fix the problematic transcriptions.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans"">Does this help?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans"">Good luck with the work ahead!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans"">Yvan
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">'Nina R Benway' via Phon <</span><a href="mailto:phon@googlegroups.com"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:12.0pt">phon@googlegroups.com</span></a><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>"</span><a href="mailto:phon@googlegroups.com"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:12.0pt">phon@googlegroups.com</span></a><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">" <</span><a href="mailto:phon@googlegroups.com"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:12.0pt">phon@googlegroups.com</span></a><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, October 22, 2020 at 11:22 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>"</span><a href="mailto:phon@googlegroups.com"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:12.0pt">phon@googlegroups.com</span></a><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">" <</span><a href="mailto:phon@googlegroups.com"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:12.0pt">phon@googlegroups.com</span></a><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: PPC Ignore Diacritics<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Sherman Sans"">Hi Greg, Hi Yvan,</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> </span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Sherman Sans"">Thank you for the look under the hood of Phon!</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> </span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Sherman Sans"">We’ve come across cases in our corpus where the target and the actual differ by the ligature. This results in the PPC calculation counting an instance of epenthesis
(as it should, algorithmically) despite what the transcriber intended. </span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> </span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Sherman Sans"">Right now I think Python/regex are my way forward –other ideas would be appreciated, though.</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Sherman Sans";color:black">Thanks,</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Cambria",serif"> </span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Sherman Sans";color:black">Nina</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#000E54">________________________</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Sherman Serif";color:#D74100">Nina R Benway MS CCC-SLP</span></b><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Sherman Serif";color:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Sherman Serif";color:#000E54">PhD Candidate</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Sherman Serif";color:#000E54">Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders<br>
Syracuse University<br>
NYS Licensed, ASHA Certified Speech-Language Pathologist<br>
NYS Certified Teacher of the Gifted and Talented</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><a href="https://nrgslp.github.io/"><b><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Sherman Serif";color:#000E54">nrgslp.github.io</span></b></a><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#000E54"> </span></b><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span lang="EN-CA">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-CA">
</span><a href="mailto:phon@googlegroups.com"><span lang="EN-CA">phon@googlegroups.com</span></a><span lang="EN-CA"> <</span><a href="mailto:phon@googlegroups.com"><span lang="EN-CA">phon@googlegroups.com</span></a><span lang="EN-CA">>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Yvan Rose<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 21, 2020 7:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><a href="mailto:phon@googlegroups.com"><span lang="EN-CA">phon@googlegroups.com</span></a><span lang="EN-CA"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: PPC Ignore Diacritics<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-CA"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans"">Hello Nina,</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans"">This diacritic effective 'binds' two phones into a single one, as Phon constructs its phone objects for analysis. So we do not process it at all as other
diacritics we have. </span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans""> </span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans"">May I ask why you want to do that? Maybe we can find a roundabout way to attain what you're looking for. (You can also email me directly at
</span><a href="mailto:yrose@mun.ca"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans"">yrose@mun.ca</span></a><span style="font-family:"Liberation Sans"">
<span lang="EN-CA">if you prefer.)</span></span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans""> </span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans"">Kind regards,</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Liberation Sans"">Yvan</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><b><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">'Nina R Benway' via Phon <</span><a href="mailto:phon@googlegroups.com"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:12.0pt">phon@googlegroups.com</span></a><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>"</span><a href="mailto:phon@googlegroups.com"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:12.0pt">phon@googlegroups.com</span></a><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">" <</span><a href="mailto:phon@googlegroups.com"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:12.0pt">phon@googlegroups.com</span></a><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, October 21, 2020 at 6:45 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"</span><a href="mailto:phon@googlegroups.com"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:12.0pt">phon@googlegroups.com</span></a><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">" <</span><a href="mailto:phon@googlegroups.com"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:12.0pt">phon@googlegroups.com</span></a><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Subject: </b>PPC Ignore Diacritics</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Sherman Sans"">Hello Phon Community,</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Sherman Sans"">I am trying to run a PPC Analysis using the Ignore Diacritics (only) function, but the diacritic I’d like to ignore is not available in the “Select Diacritics”
drop down menu. I can’t seem to specify a diacritic by typing/pasting. Is there a way to specify diacritics that are not available from the drop down menu? The character I’d like to exclude is the ligature 0x0361 in the combining diacritics block.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Sherman Sans"">Phon v. 3.14-beta3</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Sherman Sans";color:black">Thanks,</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Sherman Sans";color:black">Nina</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#000E54">________________________</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><b><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Sherman Serif";color:#D74100">Nina R Benway MS CCC-SLP</span></b><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Sherman Serif";color:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Sherman Serif";color:#000E54">PhD Candidate</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Sherman Serif";color:#000E54">Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders<br>
Syracuse University<br>
NYS Licensed, ASHA Certified Speech-Language Pathologist<br>
NYS Certified Teacher of the Gifted and Talented</span><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><a href="https://nrgslp.github.io/"><b><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Sherman Serif";color:#000E54">nrgslp.github.io</span></b></a><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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