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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Liberation Sans",sans-serif">Excellent! Let me/us know if we can help in any other way.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Liberation Sans",sans-serif">Yvan <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">'Nina R Benway' via Phon <phon@googlegroups.com><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>"phon@googlegroups.com" <phon@googlegroups.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, October 22, 2020 at 12:30 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"phon@googlegroups.com" <phon@googlegroups.com><br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: PPC Ignore Diacritics<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Sherman Sans"">Thanks, Yvan. We are on the same page. Also, phonex had a much more elegant solution than regex for quantifying the scope of the issue – the phonex expression (._.) pulls all the compound phones.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Sherman Sans";color:black">Nina</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span style="font-family:"Sherman Serif";color:#D74100">Nina R Benway MS CCC-SLP</span></b><span style="font-family:"Sherman Serif";color:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span style="font-family:"Sherman Serif";color:#000E54">PhD Candidate</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Syracuse University<br>
NYS Licensed, ASHA Certified Speech-Language Pathologist<br>
NYS Certified Teacher of the Gifted and Talented</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><a href="https://nrgslp.github.io/"><b><span style="font-family:"Sherman Serif";color:#000E54">nrgslp.github.io</span></b></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b>From:</b> phon@googlegroups.com <phon@googlegroups.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Yvan Rose<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 22, 2020 9:57 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> phon@googlegroups.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: PPC Ignore Diacritics<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Liberation Sans",sans-serif">Hi Nina,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Liberation Sans",sans-serif">Your reply points at discrepancies in IPA transcription standards between your target/actual forms, which will clearly yield analytic artefacts. Once you
address this transcription issue (either remove the ligatures or add them everywhere), everything should fall into place nicely.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Liberation Sans",sans-serif">On this note, I would recommend against any post-hoc fix for issues in transcriptions (your primary data source). Instead, I recommend you fix the problematic
transcriptions. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Liberation Sans",sans-serif">Does this help?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Liberation Sans",sans-serif">Good luck with the work ahead!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">'Nina R Benway' via Phon <</span><a href="mailto:phon@googlegroups.com"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">phon@googlegroups.com</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>"</span><a href="mailto:phon@googlegroups.com"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">phon@googlegroups.com</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">" <</span><a href="mailto:phon@googlegroups.com"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">phon@googlegroups.com</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, October 22, 2020 at 11:22 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>"</span><a href="mailto:phon@googlegroups.com"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">phon@googlegroups.com</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">" <</span><a href="mailto:phon@googlegroups.com"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">phon@googlegroups.com</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: PPC Ignore Diacritics</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Sherman Sans"">Hi Greg, Hi Yvan,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Sherman Sans"">Thank you for the look under the hood of Phon!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Sherman Sans"">We’ve come across cases in our corpus where the target and the actual differ by the ligature. This results in the PPC calculation counting an instance of epenthesis (as
it should, algorithmically) despite what the transcriber intended. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Sherman Sans"">Right now I think Python/regex are my way forward –other ideas would be appreciated, though.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Sherman Sans";color:black">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Sherman Sans";color:black">Nina</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#000E54">________________________</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt"><b><span style="font-family:"Sherman Serif";color:#D74100">Nina R Benway MS CCC-SLP</span></b><span style="font-family:"Sherman Serif";color:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span style="font-family:"Sherman Serif";color:#000E54">PhD Candidate</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Sherman Serif";color:#000E54">Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders<br>
Syracuse University<br>
NYS Licensed, ASHA Certified Speech-Language Pathologist<br>
NYS Certified Teacher of the Gifted and Talented</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt"><a href="https://nrgslp.github.io/"><b><span style="font-family:"Sherman Serif";color:#000E54">nrgslp.github.io</span></b></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:phon@googlegroups.com">
phon@googlegroups.com</a> <<a href="mailto:phon@googlegroups.com">phon@googlegroups.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Yvan Rose<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 21, 2020 7:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:phon@googlegroups.com">phon@googlegroups.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: PPC Ignore Diacritics<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Liberation Sans",sans-serif">Hello Nina,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Liberation Sans",sans-serif">This diacritic effective 'binds' two phones into a single one, as Phon constructs its phone objects for analysis. So we do not process it at all as other
diacritics we have. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Liberation Sans",sans-serif">May I ask why you want to do that? Maybe we can find a roundabout way to attain what you're looking for. (You can also email me directly at
</span><a href="mailto:yrose@mun.ca"><span style="font-family:"Liberation Sans",sans-serif">yrose@mun.ca</span></a><span style="font-family:"Liberation Sans",sans-serif"> if you prefer.)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Liberation Sans",sans-serif">Kind regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Liberation Sans",sans-serif">Yvan</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:108.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">'Nina R Benway' via Phon <</span><a href="mailto:phon@googlegroups.com"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">phon@googlegroups.com</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>"</span><a href="mailto:phon@googlegroups.com"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">phon@googlegroups.com</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">" <</span><a href="mailto:phon@googlegroups.com"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">phon@googlegroups.com</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, October 21, 2020 at 6:45 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"</span><a href="mailto:phon@googlegroups.com"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">phon@googlegroups.com</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">" <</span><a href="mailto:phon@googlegroups.com"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">phon@googlegroups.com</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Subject: </b>PPC Ignore Diacritics</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:108.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Sherman Sans"">I am trying to run a PPC Analysis using the Ignore Diacritics (only) function, but the diacritic I’d like to ignore is not available in the “Select Diacritics” drop down
menu. I can’t seem to specify a diacritic by typing/pasting. Is there a way to specify diacritics that are not available from the drop down menu? The character I’d like to exclude is the ligature 0x0361 in the combining diacritics block.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:108.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Sherman Sans"">Phon v. 3.14-beta3</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:108.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Sherman Sans";color:black">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:108.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Sherman Sans";color:black">Nina</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:108.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#000E54">________________________</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:108.0pt"><b><span style="font-family:"Sherman Serif";color:#D74100">Nina R Benway MS CCC-SLP</span></b><span style="font-family:"Sherman Serif";color:#1F497D"><br>
</span><span style="font-family:"Sherman Serif";color:#000E54">PhD Candidate</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:108.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Sherman Serif";color:#000E54">Department of Communication Sciences and Disorders<br>
Syracuse University<br>
NYS Licensed, ASHA Certified Speech-Language Pathologist<br>
NYS Certified Teacher of the Gifted and Talented</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:108.0pt"><a href="https://nrgslp.github.io/"><b><span style="font-family:"Sherman Serif";color:#000E54">nrgslp.github.io</span></b></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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