<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hello again Christophe,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Yvan has directed me towards the ’Syllable type’ filter you may use to make this all much simpler:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Use the following form settings:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> * Search tier is IPA Actual</div><div class=""> * Search by syllable set to true</div><div class=""> * Expression will be <font face="Menlo" class="">\v</font> <br class=""><div> * Choose syllable type from combo box as shown below in image</div><div><br class=""></div><div><img apple-inline="yes" id="25F56E84-AD70-47BD-894E-0B515DCE8798" src="cid:501645DA-B91A-4632-ACBB-242D89338F0D" class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br class=""></div><div>-Greg</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 10, 2022, at 6:57 AM, Greg J. Hedlund <<a href="mailto:greg.hedlund@gmail.com" class="">greg.hedlund@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">A correction, in my last expression I did not use the ‘Exact match’ flag. While this was fine for closed syllables, you will need to use this flag when searching for open syllables. So, to be consistent the expression for closed syllables, with exact match selected, should be:<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><font face="Menlo" class="">\s?\c+(X=\v)\c+</font></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">And the example form would be:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span id="cid:AFDF4796-5381-484F-AB59-D841397F0AA8"><Screen Shot 2022-02-10 at 6.56.02 AM.png></span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">For open syllables the expression would be:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><font face="Menlo" class="">\s?\c+(X=\v)</font></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span id="cid:4322198D-51B4-4503-9A4E-7C0A7C8D20D1"><Screen Shot 2022-02-10 at 6.57.35 AM.png></span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-Greg</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 10, 2022, at 6:39 AM, Greg J. Hedlund <<a href="mailto:greg.hedlund@gmail.com" class="">greg.hedlund@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hello Christophe,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Assuming you have TextGrids setup you can do this from the Phones query. You will need to select ‘IPA Actual’ as the query tier, select ’then by syllable’ in the ’search by’ settings, and enter the phonex for closed syllables (one or more consonants, followed by a vowel, followed by one or more consonants):</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><font face="Menlo" class="">\c+\v\c+</font></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If we continue with this expression, Phon will provide durations for the entire syllable. We need to tell Phon to use only a portion of the expression by using a named group. You may use any name, but using the group name ‘X’ will make the following steps faster.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><font face="Menlo" class="">\c+(X=\v)\c+</font></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Here is the example form:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span id="cid:305B035E-E82E-486B-BF40-A17CEC4E1399" class=""><Screen Shot 2022-02-10 at 6.29.43 AM.png></span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">After executing the query you will want to add the ‘Duration’ report. Since we used the group name ‘X’ above we don’t need to make any changes to this form. If you use a different name you will need to change ‘IPA Actual’ in the form to be your custom group name.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span id="cid:113114A8-07B2-4EC8-885E-F7A493BC52F3" class=""><Screen Shot 2022-02-10 at 6.29.50 AM.png></span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If TextGrid data is located you should see something like below when running the report:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span id="cid:933F4D9E-9F3B-425A-948B-068C2E4AD7BE" class=""><Screen Shot 2022-02-10 at 6.29.56 AM.png></span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-Greg</div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 10, 2022, at 5:15 AM, Christophe dos Santos <<a href="mailto:master.fle.1@gmail.com" class="">master.fle.1@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">Dear Greg and Yvan,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I have a question about duration analysis in vowels.</div><div class="">Is it possible to create a query with Phon that gives a list of vowel duration from specific syllable, for example for vowels that are in closed syllable, or do we have to extract all the record containing vowel in such position from Phon and do it directly in Praat ?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Christophe dos Santos<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
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