[RNLD] Language Help for the NCE
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arabana at INTERNODE.ON.NET
Fri Jan 10 12:15:53 UTC 2014
Hi
From the previous suggestion, the transitive action in
Pitjantjatjara, ATUNYMANANYI, _to mind, look after, care for,
protect,_ would fit.
It applies for example to people, country, money and a range of things
that might be/need protecting/caring for/keeping safe.
Income management is MANI ATUNYMANKUNYTJA, child protection is TJITJI
ATUNYMANKUNYTJA, and so on.
TJITJI (MUNU) MINYMA ATUNYMANKUNYTJA = caring for kids and
women/protecting kids and women/keeping kids and women safe, etc
These kinds of terms abound in Austtralian languages, centred as they
are around kinship and responsibilities and the world of challenges
out there, waiting in creation and current secular contexts.
Cheers
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From: "Stephen Logan"
To:"Maïa Ponsonnet" , "Sid De"
Cc:"r-n-l-d at lists.unimelb.edu.au"
Sent:Fri, 10 Jan 2014 10:11:37 +0000
Subject:RE: [RNLD] Language Help for the NCE
Hi All
I have no experience at all with Australian languages. However,
taking into account what Margaret says, maybe a verb form with a
positive meaning like 'care for', 'nuture' or 'protect' would work, or
a phrase based around a similar verb?
Best
Stephen Logan PhD Candidate
ELDTA Research Group University of Newcastle, Australia Ph: +61
(0) 449155335
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FROM: Maïa Ponsonnet
SENT: Friday, 10 January 2014 5:56 PM
TO: Sid De
CC: r-n-l-d at lists.unimelb.edu.au
SUBJECT: RE: [RNLD] Language Help for the NCE Hi, Regarding
words for change and transformation. Having worked on linguistic
descriptions of knowledge and emotions in the Dalabon language
(south-western Arnhem Land), I have observed that change has poor
semantic associations such as tantrum and being capricious, arguments
and breaking off emotionally from relatives. It may not be the same in
other Austrlaian languages though... Cheers, Maïa
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Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:52:48 +1100
From: msharpe3 at une.edu.au
To: sid.de at bmf.com.au
CC: r-n-l-d at lists.unimelb.edu.au
Subject: Re: [RNLD] Language Help for the NCE
Dear Sid, This is a curly one to work on. I am prepared to be
corrected by some other linguists, but abstract words are somewhat
rare in languages of fisher-hunter-gatherer communities. The examples
you have found illustrate this. I’ve wrestled with this for people
in the Lismroe NSW area trying to choose a name for a similar local
organisation. It comes down to choosing a suitable phrase about
teaching or learning (verbs or processes). You could choose a phrase
like ‘Don’t bash/hurt women and children’, or ‘we want to stop
people hurting women and children’. But you can imagine this is
rather long, whatever langauge you choose
A possible idea to explore would be an Aboriginal English phrase or a
Kriol phrase. The first would cover much of Australia and if carefully
chosen would fit in the various variations of Aboriginal English
enough for most to understand. With a little tweeking a vrief phrase
in Kriol would also be comprehensible to many Aboriginal and
non-Aboriginal people.
Your words pinarri and binarri are (as you’d probably know or
guess) just the variant spellings for the same word ( pronounced much
the same) in different Western Desert (and closely related languages)
in the west of Australia. Very few Australian languages make a
contrast between p and b, or t and d, etc.
Regards,
Margaret Sharpe
On 10/01/14 1:54 PM, "Sid De" wrote:
Hi Felicity,
These come from a combination of the dictionaries and suggestions
from people in the community we've been speaking to, but we would not
proceed with any name unless we had permission from the relevant
groups first.
It's very important to us that we have this permission, and in fact
our original forerunner (a Gooniyandi word) was discarded because our
contacts at the KALACC informed us that the were certain sensitivities
around the word.
At the moment, we just wanted to ensure that these words didn't have
connotations or possibly offensive meanings in other languages, to
narrow it down and then our next step will be to reach out to the
relevant groups.
That being said, I have already started talking to the Gamilaraay
community (through a contact provided by Coonabarabran Visitor
Information Centre) , but was wary of bothering other communities
at this point in time, when we may not proceed with their language
in the end.
Regards,
SID DE | Account Manager
t 02 8985 7273 | M 0422 370 094 | F 02 9552 7060
Level 2, 63 Miller Street Pyrmont, NSW 2009 Australia
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FROM: Felicity Meakins
DATE: Friday, 10 January 2014 1:39 PM
TO: Sid , "r-n-l-d at lists.unimelb.eduau [7]"
SUBJECT: Re: [RNLD] Language Help for the NCE
Dear Sid,
I notice that the words you have suggested are from online
dictionaries hosted by SIL. Have these words been suggested by the
relevant Indigenous groups themselves or derived from the online
dictionaries? If the latter, it is common practice to consult with
relevant groups about the use of their words. For example, please note
the intellectual property statements on the Gurindji and Bilinarra
dictionary websites.
Regards, Felicity
FROM: Sid De
DATE: Friday, 10 January 2014 11:42 AM
TO: "r-n-l-d at lists.unimelb.edu.au [10]"
SUBJECT: [RNLD] Language Help for the NCE
Hi all,
I've been working with _National Centre for Excellence to Reduce
Violence Against Women and Their Children _(NCE) to develop a new
organisation name, and we were hoping that you might be able to help
us with some questions we had.
To give you some background on the NCE first, they are a
not-for-profit NGO funded by the Commonwealth and every Australian
State and Territory Government. The NCE is tasked with undertaking
research that will provide a better evidence base to help policy
makers and those delivering services to reduce all forms of violence
against women and their children.
As the NCE's work has a national focus including regional and remote
Australia, one of the avenues we were investigating was to give the
NCE a name inspired by our indigenous languages. To that end, Felicity
at the Resource Network for Linguistic Diversity was kind enough to
allow me access to this mailing list to ask for your aid. We had some
ideas for names which we wanted to sense-check and see if any of you
anticipated any problems, as we know that sometimes words can have
very different meanings or connotations across languages. We want to
ensure that our approach to this project is appropriate and that we do
not offend anyone. Our shortlist as it stands currently is:
MIRII – star (in Gamilaraay)
BINARRI – knowledgeable (in Bilinarra)
PINARRI – knowledgeable, clever person (in Gurindji, Walmajarri and
Warlpiri)
PINANGURRU – one who is learned, wise (in Walmajarri)
KIYARRI – sun ray (in Gurindji)
But we were also hoping you might like to be a part of this process,
and possibly suggest an option as well. We have been trying to find
indigenous words for '_change'_, '_transformation_' and '_knowledge'_
that could work as well, which are words that capture the NCE's
mandate. Before we settle on any word, we will of course be seeking
permission from the relevant peoples first.
Any help you might be able to offer would be greatly appreciated, and
if you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me via
email or on either of the phone numbers below.
Regards,
SID DE | Account Manager
t 02 8985 7273 | M 0422 370 094 | F 02 9552 7060
Level 2, 63 Miller Street Pyrmont, NSW 2009 Australia
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