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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi All,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If add my 2 cents that means we will then
have 4 cents worth about dictionary software.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Quickly, for those that don’t know
me, I am from an Aboriginal Organisation in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Newcastle</st1:City>, <st1:country-region w:st="on">Australia</st1:country-region></st1:place>
managing our own Language Reclamation and Revitilisation program on the
Awabakal Language. Through doing this we have developed our own Language
computer program which some of you are familiar with, it now has an official
name titled “Miraama” which is from our language and is translated
as “saved”.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Anyway, our team has developed Miraama on
the MS Access platform as a program specifically designed as a IT tool for
Aboriginal Language workers to utilize in contrast to the Linguists
Toolbox. It is extremely powerful in its ability to archive language not only
in a text format but also by using audio, video and still images for every word
recorded in Miraama. It can produce wordlists and run some very helpful
filters which has certainly helped us unlock some of the secrets of our
language.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>But also, we are able to at a click of a
button export all of our data into Toolbox, Lexique Pro no problems at all,
this means it can keep all of the Linguists happy as well. We can chose
what fields are exported, the markers they receive etc. We recently
implemented a version of Miraama at VACL in Victoria as they have
volunteered to be our test bug finders before we make it available more widely,
but the exciting thing was that they had a language with over 7000 entries in a
spreadsheet which we were able to import into our program and at the mouse
click at anytime we can have this as a Toolbox file. For the language
learners our linkage with Lexique Pro is extremely exciting as Miraama is
already Multimedia capable.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So this problem that Sophie has
encountered on the surface seems to be something that we have solved. At
present we are one way ie export to shoebox, we hope to have completed in the
next 12 months (if funding allows) the ability to import into Miraama from
Toolbox which means that we could theoretically develop then an export to any
other program eg. Filemaker Pro.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I am sure with some data massage (IT
Speak) we could take the 23500 filemaker file and match up the corresponding
fields and export this to a Toolbox file. The head scratching comes in to
effect when we have our set fields with 9 customizable fields, which is about
30 in total but neverless it is possible that you don’t have to sit and
retype 23500 entries of data again.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Daryn McKenny<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Arwarbukarl Cultural Resource Association<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Sophia Stevenson
[mailto:sophiadianas@yahoo.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, 1 February 2006
7:43 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Nicholas Thieberger; Bah,
Oumar; Resource-Network-Linguistic-Diversity@unimelb.edu.au<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: Dictionary</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Hello all,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> Just my two cents worth about dictionary software, since I have
been using both Toolbox and FileMaker Pro for a while now. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> I was given a ton of data from a dictionary written with
FileMaker Pro (around 23500 records) to put into Toolbox, and unless you're
comfortable with minimal script writing, I wouldn't try going back and forth
between the two, but rather pick one program or the other and stick with it.
(...The reason being that Toolbox requires markers in front of the text of
each field in order to "recognize" it, while FileMaker does not...
The script was to insert the right markers in front of the
appropriate text in the exported .txt file from FileMaker so that Toolbox
could read it. 23500-ish entries X 20 fields = too much to do by
hand!) The director of my research group on Innu-Montagnais (an
Algonquian language) wrote and published her dict! ionary using FileMaker Pro,
and it turned out quite nicely. If you're more concerned with the
appearance of the final product and you want something more appealing to the
eye, I'd go with that. You have way more control and flexibility over the
layout with FileMaker Pro, whereas Toolbox is quite limited with respect to
page layout, so I have to say, I would not recommend trying to print
your dictionary directly from Toolbox. HOWEVER, the same database you create
with Toolbox can be read with another SIL program called "Lexique
Pro", which is designed for creating a pretty-to-look-at and easy-to-use
dictionary interface and works from the same markers as Toolbox. It has the
added bonus of being able to create web pages, in case you want to include your
dictionary in a web site. If you download this program, it comes with a sample
dictionary to give you an idea of what you can do.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <a
href="http://www.sil.org/computing/catalog/show_software.asp?id=92">http://www.sil.org/computing/catalog/show_software.asp?id=92</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> In my humble opinion, Shoebox isn't worth using when Toolbox is
out there, so don't be afraid to check it out! The Unicode alone makes it worth
your while... I don't know if you use any special characters, but we most
certainly do, and honestly, it would have been a mess without the
Unicode. Toolbox can read all your Shoebox data, so don't worry, you won't
have to start all over again. It also comes with a great tutorial (downloaded
separately), and you'll see once you work through it that it's not as
"user unfriendly" as all that.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> All this, of course, does not answer your question of how to
import data from Shoebox into FileMaker Pro... Based on my experiences, I
think it's safe to say the two are not easily transferable, but I wouldn't
give up! on your current software selection just yet. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> Good luck with everything!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Sophia Stevenson<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>University</span></font></st1:PlaceType> of <st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Quebec</st1:PlaceName> at <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Montreal</st1:City></st1:place>
(UQAM)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Nicholas Thieberger
<thien@unimelb.edu.au></span></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I would encourage you to persevere with Shoebox, and to look at
Toolbox, the newer version, available for free from the SIL website. They also
have training modules available at the same website which are well worth
reading. This is very good dictionary software that gives you many
ready-made functions that do not exist in ordinary database software like
FileMaker Pro.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>There are some websites that may help too:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>http://www.linguistics.unimelb.edu.au/thieberger/RNLD/RNLDfaq.html#6</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>http://www.linguistics.unimelb.edu.au/thieberger/CALW/Shoebox5.htm</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>A database program can be a good data entry form, depending on how
complex you want your dictionary entries to be. A database program is limited because
you may want some entries to be brief while others may need lots of subentries
and senses of the headword together with examples. But when you want to produce
a neat looking dictionary, both on paper and on the web, for example, Toolbox
will do that as part of its inbuilt functions, and a database program will not.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Can you find a linguist who uses Toolbox locally who can give you some
help? Once you are over the first learning curve it is a great way to organise
your dictionary.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Nick Thieberger<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>Dear Sirs</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>I found your contact in the Internet. Sorry for the
disturbance. I am a linguist and I am currently working on a
dictionary for an african language with the program Shoebox of the SIL. I am
having some troubles. So I wonder if you could tell me how to import my data
into an alternative software, for instance the File Maker (for Windows). I
would be very grateful if you had any hints for me because Shoebox is
not very user friendly.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>Thanks in advance.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>Kind regards. </span></font></BLOC! KQUOTE> <o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#19261D'>PARADISEC</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#19261d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#19261D'>Department of Linguistics and Applied
Linguistics</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#19261D'>University of Melbourne, Vic 3010</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#19261d" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#19261D'>nicholas.thieberger@paradisec.org.au</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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