I remember seeing this in April 2008 <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/compass/s2216608.htm">http://www.abc.net.au/compass/s2216608.htm</a><br><br>There were snippets of animated songlines that John Bradley had made with Yanyuwa speakers and they looked really brilliant. Perhaps try to get in contact with him.<br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Rodrigo Romero <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rod.romero@gmail.com">rod.romero@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi all,<br><br>I'm not quite sure I understand what Nick wants to do, but you might want to try with Blender (<a href="http://www.blender.org" target="_blank">www.blender.org</a>). It works for mac, windows and linux. <br>
<br>There's tons of documentation for it and it's free. The only problem is that it takes a while to understand how the program works since it's kind of counter intuitive. I've been learning the program to create stimuli and I really hope it pays off.<br>
<br>Rodrigo.<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Gail Woods <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gail.woods@batchelor.edu.au" target="_blank">gail.woods@batchelor.edu.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> Skybuilt
[mailto:<a href="mailto:dalby12@bigpond.net.au" target="_blank">dalby12@bigpond.net.au</a>] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, 19 January 2010
3:15 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> colleen hattersley; Robert
Hoogenraad<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Nick Thieberger; rnlist<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: animation</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">We've had good results with Boinx
Istopmotion, but you need to create the artworks yourself (the items that are
animated) it doesn't do this for you, like say Marvin does. However, lots of
flexibility in what you can create, we have had a number of workshops where
small groups of individuals create people and animals in plasticine and paper,
spend a half-hour or so moving and photographing them, them adding a voiceover.
Quick and easy on the technical level, the hard work is in the artwork and
ideas (as it should be really).</span></font></p>
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can download a trial. Not too expensive for the express version (I think under
250 AUD for the 5 user family licence).</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">Also need a camera that talks to the
software, most (all?) recent dv cams, and many, certainly not all digital
still cameras (Nikon and Canon are best - there is a list of compatible cameras
on the Boinx site).</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">Other gear required - tripod, lights audio
gear if recording later (can also use preexisting recording). There are a few
tricks in getting light, focus and white balance with the camera, basically,
use manual settings on the camera.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">btw, also unimpressed by Marvin, very
rigid parameters and can't even export it to dvd format, making it pretty
useless as a way of distributing resources.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="blue" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: blue;">PS Nick if you are interested I can send
you DVD with some short films made last year</span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> colleen hattersley
[mailto:<a href="mailto:colhatts@gmail.com" target="_blank">colhatts@gmail.com</a>]<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, 19 January 2010
9:53 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Robert Hoogenraad<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Nick Thieberger; rnlist<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: animation</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">As it happens, the following ad came up with this email conversation:</span></font></p>
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Proud Of..</span></font></p>
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It looks like an amazing program and is currently on offer for $US47.00. Does
anyone have the time and technical knowledge to test it? Please.<br>
Colleen.</span></font></p>
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someone appear to speak a language they don't actually speak. Much hype, and it
was shown to the NT DEET Executive some years ago, who were mightily impressed.
I will say no more.</span></font></p>
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I would also be interested in the responses to this. Last year I attended two
'training' courses for Marvin but I'm still not sure it's worth the effort,
cute as it is. To get certain effects, eg NT Uncle singing along with a
few other guitarists I was advised it is necessary to make multiple videos and
import another character each time. And you lose the sync with the audio
and actions doing this. Also, other characters can't remain sitting while
another is singing etc. I felt it was still a work in progress that I'd
keep an eye on. A week or so ago it appeared that there have been some
updates but my email with some questions still remains unanswered. A good
idea but frustrating in my book.<br>
Colleen Hattersley</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I'm interested in making some animated stories and wonder if anyone<br>
has had success with free or cheap animation software? I was pointed<br>
at Marvin (<a href="http://www.marvin.com.au/" target="_blank">http://www.marvin.com.au/</a>)
but it is Windows only and I<br>
would really like a Mac application if possible.<br>
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thanks,<br>
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