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<font size="+1"><font face="Book Antiqua">I agree with Tom, that John's
Sponge software looks really promising.<br>
In fact John's screen capture also reminded me of a related issue which
I never really tackled: namely, the relationship between my photos and
my sound files. <br>
</font></font><font size="+1"><font face="Book Antiqua"> [The same
would apply with video, but I personally tend to have more this problem
with photos]</font></font><br>
<font size="+1"><font face="Book Antiqua"><br>
What I almost always do during a fieldwork session, is to record sound
of course, but also take pictures of the storytellers, the situation,
etc. As I see such photos today, several years later, I often can
vividly remember (until today at least!) when and were I took it, what
was the person's name, or which story they were telling when I pressed
the button. Yet I am afraid all these connections (between pictures
and sound files) are only stored in my soft drive, a.k.a. my brain.<br>
<br>
</font></font><font size="+1"><font face="Book Antiqua">I thought these
should all be interconnected somewhere, and in a permanent way.
Sometimes I add the file-path of both the picture and the sound file,
say, on the Toolbox </font></font><font size="+1"><font
face="Book Antiqua">entry where the story is transcribed</font></font><font
size="+1"><font face="Book Antiqua">. But there might be other ways,
right? Ideally this would be done by displaying the very picture,
rather than just storing its filename.<br>
Is there a software which can do that? Would Sponge do it? ELAN? <a
href="http://www.lat-mpi.eu/latnews/tag/arbil/">Arbil</a>?? </font></font><font
size="+1"><font face="Book Antiqua"><br>
</font></font>
<blockquote><font size="+1"><font face="Book Antiqua">(Peter, here's
another "dirty-laundry confession" of mine!)</font></font><br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<font size="+1"><font face="Book Antiqua">best,<br>
alex.<br>
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Tom Honeyman wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:11D1E665-1C3E-46EE-8CEE-2C7A9B8B30A6@gmail.com"
type="cite">Thank you John, that looks extremely interesting! I look
forward to hearing more about it.
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<div>-tom<br>
<div><br>
<div>
<div>On 04/05/2010, at 12:21 PM, John Hatton wrote:</div>
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<blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span"
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<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">On
my recording trip, I used some open-source software we’re developing
which manages all the folders, meta data, etc. for you. This kind of
thing is how I answer Greg’s question:<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">></span><span
style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>One thing I'm also interested in
is not just what are good methods of labeling and adding metadata, but
how does it work for you in reality? How well do you stick to your
chosen method?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I
hesitate to mention software you can’t actually get yet, but ah well, I
think in the future this group may help us “get it right”. We don’t
have a good name for it yet, the code name is “Sponge”. The intent at
this time is to help organize and name files, collect metadata, and
help evaluate your progress towards goals and coverage (e.g. discourse
types) so you know where to concentrate effort. There are other
applications out there doing some of these things, too: this is just
SIL’s contribution, tuned to the situations/field workers we are
familiar with.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I
found having this organizing software extremely helpful, not being much
of an organizer/detail person, myself. One beauty of it for me was
that I could use the inevitable down time in the village to type in
everything in my paper notebook into a low-power netbook running
Sponge, sometimes realizing that I hadn’t entered important
information. If I had waited until I returned home, it would have been
too late. Here’s a screenshot of how my data looked at the end:<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div
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style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span><image001.jpg></span></span><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">You’ll
notice the “files” tab; under there, I have a list of all the files
associated with the current session (event). I can right-click on a
file (e.g. a wav) in order to give it a canonical name like we’re
discussing in this thread. I can also add meta data, such as what
equipment was used to make the recordings. That program stores that
meta data in a simple xml file adjacent to the one being annotated. For
example, a video named “ETR003_Original.avi” would have get a partner
named “ETR003.Original.avi.meta”.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The
folder structure managed by Sponge looks like this:<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Edolo
Language Documentation Project<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">
People<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">
Agale Tofona<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">
Agale Tofona.jpg<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">
Agale Tofona_consent.jpg<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">
Agale Tofona.person<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">
Andaru Maga<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">
Awi Heolo<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">
Etc.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">
Sessions<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">
ETR001<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">
ETR001.session<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">
ETR001_Original.MOV<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">
ETR001_MonoExtract.WAV<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div
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style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">
ETR001_Scene.jpg<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">
ETR001_Transcription.txt<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">
ETR002<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">
Etc.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> <o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Ok,
so it is still early days with this software, we’re not really
advertising for testers yet, and it currently only runs on Windows.
Before long, we’ll be adding at least OLAC, maybe IMDI support,
probably spreadsheet import/export. The current discussion and others
are shaping what we do… if anyone is interested in helping to further
steer the development so it meets your needs, please let me know.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><b><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">John
Hatton</span></b><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><br>
</span><span
style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://pnglanguages.org/"
style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-decoration: none;">SIL Papua New
Guinea</span></a>,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://palaso.org"
style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-decoration: none;">Palaso</span></a>,
&<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://sil.org"
style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;"><span
style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-decoration: none;">SIL
International<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></a>Software
Development<br>
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Talk:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span
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LACITO - CNRS, France
2009-2011: Visiting Fellow
Dept of Linguistics
School of Culture, History and Language
Australian National University
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