<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I guess I should plug a project I was involved in, FieldHelper, which I believe might be receiving some development soon (it's only a proof of concept now):<div><br></div><div><a href="http://acl.arts.usyd.edu.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=178&Itemid=211">http://acl.arts.usyd.edu.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=178&Itemid=211</a></div><div><br></div><div>-tom</div><div><br><div><div>On 04/05/2010, at 6:16 PM, Alex Francois wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"> <div bgcolor="#ffffcc" text="#660000"> <font size="+1"><font face="Book Antiqua">I agree with Tom, that John's Sponge software looks really promising.<br> In fact John's screen capture also reminded me of a related issue which I never really tackled: namely, the relationship between my photos and my sound files. <br> </font></font><font size="+1"><font face="Book Antiqua"> [The same would apply with video, but I personally tend to have more this problem with photos]</font></font><br> <font size="+1"><font face="Book Antiqua"><br> What I almost always do during a fieldwork session, is to record sound of course, but also take pictures of the storytellers, the situation, etc. As I see such photos today, several years later, I often can vividly remember (until today at least!) when and were I took it, what was the person's name, or which story they were telling when I pressed the button. Yet I am afraid all these connections (between pictures and sound files) are only stored in my soft drive, a.k.a. my brain.<br> <br> </font></font><font size="+1"><font face="Book Antiqua">I thought these should all be interconnected somewhere, and in a permanent way. Sometimes I add the file-path of both the picture and the sound file, say, on the Toolbox </font></font><font size="+1"><font face="Book Antiqua">entry where the story is transcribed</font></font><font size="+1"><font face="Book Antiqua">. But there might be other ways, right? Ideally this would be done by displaying the very picture, rather than just storing its filename.<br> Is there a software which can do that? Would Sponge do it? ELAN? <a href="http://www.lat-mpi.eu/latnews/tag/arbil/">Arbil</a>?? </font></font><font size="+1"><font face="Book Antiqua"><br> </font></font> <blockquote><font size="+1"><font face="Book Antiqua">(Peter, here's another "dirty-laundry confession" of mine!)</font></font><br> </blockquote> <br> <font size="+1"><font face="Book Antiqua">best,<br> alex.<br> </font></font> <hr size="2" width="100%"><br> Tom Honeyman wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:11D1E665-1C3E-46EE-8CEE-2C7A9B8B30A6@gmail.com" type="cite">Thank you John, that looks extremely interesting! I look forward to hearing more about it. <div><br> </div> <div>-tom<br> <div><br> <div> <div>On 04/05/2010, at 12:21 PM, John Hatton wrote:</div> <br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> <blockquote type="cite"> <div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"> <div class="Section1"> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">On my recording trip, I used some open-source software we’re developing which manages all the folders, meta data, etc. for you. This kind of thing is how I answer Greg’s question:<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">></span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial,sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>One thing I'm also interested in is not just what are good methods of labeling and adding metadata, but how does it work for you in reality? How well do you stick to your chosen method?<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I hesitate to mention software you can’t actually get yet, but ah well, I think in the future this group may help us “get it right”. We don’t have a good name for it yet, the code name is “Sponge”. The intent at this time is to help organize and name files, collect metadata, and help evaluate your progress towards goals and coverage (e.g. discourse types) so you know where to concentrate effort. There are other applications out there doing some of these things, too: this is just SIL’s contribution, tuned to the situations/field workers we are familiar with.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I found having this organizing software extremely helpful, not being much of an organizer/detail person, myself. One beauty of it for me was that I could use the inevitable down time in the village to type in everything in my paper notebook into a low-power netbook running Sponge, sometimes realizing that I hadn’t entered important information. If I had waited until I returned home, it would have been too late. Here’s a screenshot of how my data looked at the end:<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span><image001.jpg></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">You’ll notice the “files” tab; under there, I have a list of all the files associated with the current session (event). I can right-click on a file (e.g. a wav) in order to give it a canonical name like we’re discussing in this thread. I can also add meta data, such as what equipment was used to make the recordings. That program stores that meta data in a simple xml file adjacent to the one being annotated. For example, a video named “ETR003_Original.avi” would have get a partner named “ETR003.Original.avi.meta”.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The folder structure managed by Sponge looks like this:<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Edolo Language Documentation Project<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> People<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> Agale Tofona<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> Agale Tofona.jpg<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> Agale Tofona_consent.jpg<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> Agale Tofona.person<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> Andaru Maga<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> Awi Heolo<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> Etc.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> Sessions<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> ETR001<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> ETR001.session<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> ETR001_Original.MOV<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> ETR001_MonoExtract.WAV<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> ETR001_Scene.jpg<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> ETR001_Transcription.txt<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> ETR002<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> Etc.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> <o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Ok, so it is still early days with this software, we’re not really advertising for testers yet, and it currently only runs on Windows. Before long, we’ll be adding at least OLAC, maybe IMDI support, probably spreadsheet import/export. The current discussion and others are shaping what we do… if anyone is interested in helping to further steer the development so it meets your needs, please let me know.<o:p></o:p></span></div> <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">John Hatton</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><br> </span><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://pnglanguages.org/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-decoration: none;">SIL Papua New Guinea</span></a>,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://palaso.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-decoration: none;">Palaso</span></a>, &<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://sil.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-decoration: none;">SIL International<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></a>Software Development<br> </span><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: gray;">Chat</span><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><b><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: gray;">Google Talk:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">hattonjohn<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><b><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: gray;">Skype:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">hattonjohn<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><b><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: gray;">Google Wave:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:hattonjohn@googlewave.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">hattonjohn@googlewave.com</a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span></div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> <br> </div> </div> </blockquote> <br> <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
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