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<FONT FACE="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10.0px'>I think this is one of the reasons it is a good idea to make the ‘session’ rather than the ‘recording’ primary to the code you use. Then you can have multiple things e.g. video, audio, photos and even the transcriiption etc all related through the file names. This is what we have done with the projects I have worked on. <BR>
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On 4/5/10 6:16 PM, "Alex Francois" <Alexandre.Francois@vjf.cnrs.fr> wrote:<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT COLOR="#660000"><FONT SIZE="4"><FONT FACE="Book Antiqua"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:12.0px'>I agree with Tom, that John's Sponge software looks really promising.<BR>
In fact John's screen capture also reminded me of a related issue which I never really tackled: namely, the relationship between my photos and my sound files. <BR>
[The same would apply with video, but I personally tend to have more this problem with photos]<BR>
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What I almost always do during a fieldwork session, is to record sound of course, but also take pictures of the storytellers, the situation, etc. As I see such photos today, several years later, I often can vividly remember (until today at least!) when and were I took it, what was the person's name, or which story they were telling when I pressed the button. Yet I am afraid all these connections (between pictures and sound files) are only stored in my soft drive, a.k.a. my brain.<BR>
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I thought these should all be interconnected somewhere, and in a permanent way. Sometimes I add the file-path of both the picture and the sound file, say, on the Toolbox entry where the story is transcribed. But there might be other ways, right? Ideally this would be done by displaying the very picture, rather than just storing its filename.<BR>
Is there a software which can do that? Would Sponge do it? ELAN? Arbil <a href="http://www.lat-mpi.eu/latnews/tag/arbil/"><http://www.lat-mpi.eu/latnews/tag/arbil/></a> ?? <BR>
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On 04/05/2010, at 12:21 PM, John Hatton wrote:<BR>
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</SPAN><FONT SIZE="5"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:14.0px'>On my recording trip, I used some open-source software we’re developing which manages all the folders, meta data, etc. for you. This kind of thing is how I answer Greg’s question:<BR>
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</SPAN><FONT SIZE="5"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:14.0px'>I hesitate to mention software you can’t actually get yet, but ah well, I think in the future this group may help us “get it right”. We don’t have a good name for it yet, the code name is “Sponge”. The intent at this time is to help organize and name files, collect metadata, and help evaluate your progress towards goals and coverage (e.g. discourse types) so you know where to concentrate effort. There are other applications out there doing some of these things, too: this is just SIL’s contribution, tuned to the situations/field workers we are familiar with.<BR>
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</SPAN><FONT SIZE="5"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:14.0px'>I found having this organizing software extremely helpful, not being much of an organizer/detail person, myself. One beauty of it for me was that I could use the inevitable down time in the village to type in everything in my paper notebook into a low-power netbook running Sponge, sometimes realizing that I hadn’t entered important information. If I had waited until I returned home, it would have been too late. Here’s a screenshot of how my data looked at the end:<BR>
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</SPAN><FONT SIZE="5"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:14.0px'>You’ll notice the “files” tab; under there, I have a list of all the files associated with the current session (event). I can right-click on a file (e.g. a wav) in order to give it a canonical name like we’re discussing in this thread. I can also add meta data, such as what equipment was used to make the recordings. That program stores that meta data in a simple xml file adjacent to the one being annotated. For example, a video named “ETR003_Original.avi” would have get a partner named “ETR003.Original.avi.meta”.<BR>
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</SPAN><FONT SIZE="5"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:14.0px'>The folder structure managed by Sponge looks like this:<BR>
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</SPAN><FONT SIZE="5"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:14.0px'> Agale Tofona.person<BR>
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</SPAN><FONT SIZE="5"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:14.0px'> ETR001_MonoExtract.WAV<BR>
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</SPAN><FONT SIZE="5"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:14.0px'>Ok, so it is still early days with this software, we’re not really advertising for testers yet, and it currently only runs on Windows. Before long, we’ll be adding at least OLAC, maybe IMDI support, probably spreadsheet import/export. The current discussion and others are shaping what we do… if anyone is interested in helping to further steer the development so it meets your needs, please let me know.<BR>
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</SPAN><FONT SIZE="5"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:14.0px'><B>John Hatton</B> <BR>
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