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<p class=MsoNormal>Hi Josh,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Thanks so much for your input.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>></span> Is there a specific reason you want to avoid
recording onto a solid state device and want to jump directly to your hard
drive?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Yes, indeed, it has been the accepted wisdom that recording
directly is fraught with problems, but on several fronts around here, people
have been demonstrating that this may not be true anymore. But it’s
still fair to ask, Why would we would we even take on the hassles? Not
for normal recordings, for sure. Rather, for cases where there is a big
payoff if you have someone else operating the computer as the recording is done.
For example, if making an audio book with someone who is not a fluent reader,
we find that being able to pinpoint mistakes and record over them saves months
of tedious fixing later, compared to the old methods. More to the language
documentation scenario, I’m finding that when doing the “Careful
Speech” step of BOLD, doing it directly into the computer, editing as I
go through the session, leaves me with a finished product, rather than one I
would (ideally) find time to clean up when I return from the field. I’ve
done a successful trial of this, but with a lower-quality device.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Finally, we are starting to imagine some WeSay-level
software which guides native speakers through the BOLD process, to allow them
to do more of it with less outsider involvement. Such software can provide “rails”
upon which people ride, greatly lowering the complexity and training required
to do the work with raw materials like recording devices. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>In the scenario in which I was using it, the speaker is
across the desk from me, wearing a headset mic. Netbooks are generally very quiet,
compared to some hot high-wattage laptop. So outside of a recording
studio, I’m not yet concerned about fan noise. It’s conceivable
that a netbook could not keep up with the data coming in, but they seem to do
well with such things as showing HD movies, so I’ll be disappointed if
that’s true.<span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>></span> If you're on a budget I've heard the Zoom is ok, I
personally like the Sony Pcm-D50, but it's more $$. But I kind of feel like, if
you’re in PNG doing fieldwork already, it would be a shame to go to all
that trouble only to come back with sub-standard results because the equipment
wasn't up to the job. Just my two cents.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Fair enough. Alas, SIL PNG doesn’t have a way to tap
into the funding resources available to the rest of the LD community, so we do
penny-pinch. Even an H4N represent a lot of money, to us. A shame, really,
since we live here, year-round, surrounded by 800 endangered languages…<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#666666'>John
Hatton</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><br>
</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><a href="http://pnglanguages.org/"><span style='color:#1F497D;
text-decoration:none'>SIL Papua New Guinea</span></a>, <a
href="http://palaso.org"><span style='color:#1F497D;text-decoration:none'>Palaso</span></a>,
& <a href="http://sil.org"><span style='color:#1F497D;text-decoration:none'>SIL
International </span></a>Software Development<br>
</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:gray'>Chat</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:gray'>Google Talk: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>hattonjohn </span><b><span
style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:gray'>Skype: </span></b><span
style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>hattonjohn
</span><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:gray'>Google Wave: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>hattonjohn@googlewave.com</span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Josh Berer
[mailto:olomachad@gmail.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> 25 May, 2010 3:53 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Hatton<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Resource-Network-Linguistic-Diversity@unimelb.edu.au<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: USB audio input devices<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hey John,<br>
Is there a specifc reason you want to avoid recording onto a solid state device
and want to jump directly to your hard drive? My concern is that, especially
with a netbook, you'll end up overloading the computer, especially if you
record for a decent length of time. That translates into skipping or other
interference, and if youre just using a mic and a computer, and no device in
between, you have no 'backup copy', or fall-back to rely on. <br>
<br>
Also, sooner or later your computer's fan is going to start going to cool down
the hard drive which is working hard to write all the data its getting, so
you're going to have that background noise to deal with too. Just in general,
I'd say direct recording to a computer is a bad idea, unless your computer is
super-duper suped-up and capable of handling a lot of data coming in, which a
netbook most assuredly is not. <br>
If you're on a budget i've heard the Zoom is ok, I personally like the Sony
Pcm-D50, but it's more $$. But I kind of feel like, if youre in PNG doing
fieldwork already, it would be a shame to go to all that trouble only to come
back with sub-standard results because the equipment wasn't up to the job. Just
my two cents.<br>
Josh<br>
<a href="http://joshberer.wordpress.com/">http://joshberer.wordpress.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 1:27 AM, John Hatton <<a
href="mailto:john_hatton@sil.org">john_hatton@sil.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hi
folks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Can
someone recommend a device for doing direct recording into a computer, at 24
bit/96 khz, using only USB 2? The system will be used with a
microphone to do the “careful speech” stage of the BOLD
approach. There seems to be some question about USB’s ability to
handle the load, but I’m looking for something which will work with
netbooks, which don’t normally come with firewire inputs.
There’s a number of devices for sale with claim this ability, but, well,
being in PNG, if we get ones which don’t really deliver, it’s an
expensive mistake. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>If
anyone has managed to make a Zoom H4N perform this role, I’d love to hear
that (that would mean one less bit of kit).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thanks
for any advice.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span
style='color:#666666'>John Hatton</span></b> <br>
<span style='font-size:8.0pt'><a href="http://pnglanguages.org/" target="_blank"><span
style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>SIL Papua New Guinea</span></a>, <a
href="http://palaso.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:windowtext;
text-decoration:none'>Palaso</span></a>, & <a href="http://sil.org"
target="_blank"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>SIL
International </span></a>Software Development</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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