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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It’s an interesting discussion. I think that the dichotomy between technology and “human aspects” is unnecessary. My goal in researching technology and working to improve it has always been for technology to become completely transparent, so that the “human aspects” take center stage. Unfortunately, in our work, technology often gets in the way. I believe it is because our needs are very unique and we are not targeted by manufacturers and their marketing departments as a viable market. They do not make equipment with fieldwork in mind. We constantly need to improvise, we need to tinker. When I talk to engineers and marketing people from Sennheiser, Shure, or Samson, they have never even imagined that their equipment is used by linguists. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The problem is that if you go to a major retailer of audio technology you are walking across a mine field of poor advice and vested interest. The sales people have no experience with linguistic fieldwork. They have no idea what works and what doesn’t and why. We buy things based on their advice and we fail miserably in making things work because they’re designed for an entirely different purpose. If you are a radio or TV news reporter, technology is completely transparent to you, and you can focus on the story. The alternative so far, has been to piece together customized kits based on word-of-mouth advice from fellow researchers. This type of approach clearly doesn’t always work, which is why we’re having this discussion here. I think it’s great to have a forum such as RNLD to share our knowledge and experiences. I am sure others find it as useful as I do.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Bartek<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Daryn McKenny [mailto:daryn@acra.org.au] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 25, 2010 5:48 PM<br><b>To:</b> RNLD List<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: Zoom H4N reduced pricing for those interested<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks Andrea, but I got no idea what “</span><span lang=EN-AU>good-naturedly-polemic” means, seeing it has the word ‘good’ in it I will take it as the technical term for ‘a really, really good fella’. </span><span lang=EN-AU style='font-family:Wingdings'>J</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU>But that I suppose is the point I am trying to get across, there have been some excellent technical answers here which are all relevant but we have been a bit minimal on the human aspect of this, we can and do get caught up with technical way too much, and we all know what is technical today is going to be ancient tomorrow.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU>If we have to tug at the heart strings every now and then so be it, that’s what people do to me to bring me back to reality seeing as though I am also caught up in the technical world, so to Dr Terry that was a little tug from me, if you can afford it get a H4n or similar, if you can’t, fine, we all know that any recording is better than no recording and you are already doing great recordings with the H2.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU>We, like many others around the world, are currently digitising our old audio cassettes, the original recordings date back over 40 years, in other words yesterday and today all I have been listening to is these old recordings wishing we could have been able to have recorded that speaker today, because of the technology used then and what we have now.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU>Here is a link which you may have seen on ILAT: <a href="http://www.allanadam.com/index.php?page=home">http://www.allanadam.com/index.php?page=home</a>, what they are doing with their minimal support just brought me back to earth a bit.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Regards</span></b><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Daryn </span></b><b><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#BFBFBF'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#BFBFBF'> <o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#BFBFBF'>Arwarbukarl Cultural Resource Association Inc. Trading as:<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Miromaa Aboriginal Language and Technology Centre<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#BFBFBF'> <o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0D0D0D'>P | 02 4927 8222 F | 02 4925 2185 E | </span></b><b><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>daryn@acra.org.au W | <a href="http://www.acra.org.au/">www.acra.org.au</a> & <a href="http://www.miromaa.com.au/">www.miromaa.com.au</a></span></b><b><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0D0D0D'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#0D0D0D'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:Webdings;color:#0D0D0D'>P</span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0D0D0D'> </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0D0D0D'> </span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0D0D0D'>Please consider the environment before printing this</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0D0D0D'> </span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0D0D0D'>email</span><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#0D0D0D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#BFBFBF'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#BFBFBF'>The Arwarbukarl Cultural Resource Association Inc. respects the privacy of individuals and strives to comply with all areas of the Privacy Act. The contents of this email are intended for the purpose of the person or persons named in either the "To" or "CC" boxes of the email. Any person not named in these boxes in receipt of this email should immediately delete this email and advise the sender accordingly.</span></i><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Andrea L. Berez [mailto:andrea.berez@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 25 May 2010 10:37 PM<br><b>To:</b> Daryn McKenny<br><b>Cc:</b> RNLD List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Zoom H4N reduced pricing for those interested<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-AU>Hi folks,<br><br>I have one of each; I find them both very good and I use them in different setting as each has different advantages. The H2 is my primary recorder for one-on-one sessions. I have never had it break, it is very easy to use, the sound quality is very good, and it has great battery life. Perhaps most importantly for me, my 80+ year old consultants think it looks familiar. It looks like a microphone, not a gadget from outer space. I also feel better tossing it in my bag and running around with it, since damaging it would not be such a financial hit. <br><br>I use the H4n for larger, multispeaker situations where I can really take advantage of the two XLR inputs and some long cables. This is really useful for Elders Meetings and the like. I am very pleased with the quality of the 4-channel input, and the USB transfer is lightening-fast. I would also choose this one for recordings for detailed phonetic work, probably with an appropriate headmount mic (which I can't yet afford). However, it takes longer to set up (especially with externals), is hungrier for batteries than the H2 (in fact I don't dare use the external mics without plugging the thing into an electrical source for anything longer than about half an hour), and its appearance is too intimidating for intimate settings, especially with new consultants. <br><br>If you have the money and the space in your kit for a back-up recorder, why not get one of each? There are pros and cons to both, and it's nice to have the luxury to choose the best tool for the situation at hand.<br><br>And Daryn, perhaps you were just being good-naturedly-polemic, but I think your "hard sell" line is a little too, well, hard. We all want the best possible recordings, but we have to balance that with other demands. There are times in my fieldwork where the highest-quality recorder is not the right tool for the job.<br><br>Just my two cents,<br>Andrea<br><br>And PS yes I do track in my metadata which recorder was used.<br clear=all>-----------------------------<br>Andrea L. Berez<br>PhD candidate, Dept. of Linguistics<br>University of California, Santa Barbara<br><a href="http://www.uweb.ucsb.edu/~aberez/">http://www.uweb.ucsb.edu/~aberez/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU>On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 11:40 PM, Daryn McKenny <<a href="mailto:daryn@acra.org.au">daryn@acra.org.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Terry my hard sell to you would be this:</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>BUY IT, your language work is to important and after you and your work is done hopefully younger ears are going to take over and you don’t want the young ones saying “I wish that Dr Terry fella had used a better recorder…”</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Regards</span></b><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Daryn </span></b><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#BFBFBF'> </span></b><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:8.0pt;color:#BFBFBF'>Arwarbukarl Cultural Resource Association Inc. Trading as:</span></b><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Miromaa Aboriginal Language and Technology Centre</span></b><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#BFBFBF'> </span></b><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#0D0D0D'>P | 02 4927 8222 F | 02 4925 2185 E | </span></b><b><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:daryn@acra.org.au" target="_blank">daryn@acra.org.au</a> W | <a href="http://www.acra.org.au/" target="_blank">www.acra.org.au</a> & <a href="http://www.miromaa.com.au/" target="_blank">www.miromaa.com.au</a></span></b><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#0D0D0D'> </span></b><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:Webdings;color:#0D0D0D'>P</span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0D0D0D'> </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0D0D0D'> </span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0D0D0D'>Please consider the environment before printing this</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0D0D0D'> </span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0D0D0D'>email</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#BFBFBF'> </span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:8.0pt;color:#BFBFBF'>The Arwarbukarl Cultural Resource Association Inc. respects the privacy of individuals and strives to comply with all areas of the Privacy Act. The contents of this email are intended for the purpose of the person or persons named in either the "To" or "CC" boxes of the email. Any person not named in these boxes in receipt of this email should immediately delete this email and advise the sender accordingly.</span></i><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> Terry J. Klokeid [mailto:<a href="mailto:klokeid@victoria.tc.ca" target="_blank">klokeid@victoria.tc.ca</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 25 May 2010 5:17 PM<br><b>To:</b> RNLD List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Zoom H4N reduced pricing for those interested</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU>Thanks for your prompt and frank response, Mark.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU>The only thing is,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU>(a) our team has never had any H2 break. That's 4 H2s that have held up over about 2 years, and they travel about a fair bit.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU>(b) we find the sound quality excellent<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU>and<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU>(c) we use the built-in mikes, not plugins.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU>Consideration (b) concerns me. We find the sound quality excellent - is that due to the fact that our ears are all over 60 years old? Some being in the 75-80 year old range. Do younger ears hear differences in speech sound quality that escape us?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU>I could go buy an H4n tomorrow, as I'll be visiting the Big City (as we call it), but I do need to be convinced.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'>Dr. Terry J. Klokeid<br>Nuchquu-a</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'><br>Adjunct Professor of Linguistics, University of Victoria</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'>Coordinator, Nuu-chah-nulth Language Council</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'>Developer, Huu-ay-aht Language Recovery Program</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'> </span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'>North Island College, Room S111A </span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'>3699 Roger Street <br>Port Alberni, BC V9Y 8E3 </span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'>250.724.8743</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'> </span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'><a href="mailto:klokeid@uvic.ca" target="_blank">klokeid@uvic.ca</a></span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'> </span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU>On 2010-05-24, at 11:19 pm, Mark Post wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-AU><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU>In my experience, the H2 (a) is cheaply made and prone to breaking (b) has terrible inbuilt mics and (c) only has a 3.5mm input, hence requiring either an XLR->3.5mm adaptor or willingness to settle on a substandard mic. For the additional money, the H4n performs *much* better on all of these fronts. I still use H2s as emergency backups, and they are certainly nice and lightweight/small, but the H4n really does produce far, far better recordings!<br>Mark<br><br>On 25/05/2010 16:11, Terry J. Klokeid wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU>On this list, I discern an avoidance of the Zoom H2, which can be purchased for less than half what the H4 costs. Can someone please explain what reasons there are for not using the H2. Our language team uses H2s and we are happy with the gadget. Are we missing something? <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU>For example:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU>On 2010-05-24, at 10:56 pm, Daryn McKenny wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-AU><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>...The Zoom [H4N ] gets mentioned a bit here, I just thought I would let you all know that our supplier in Newcastle is currently selling them for $439... This product first started at $899 then $649 and now this price, too good. </span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-AU> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-AU><o:p> </o:p></span></p><pre><span lang=EN-AU>-- <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-AU>Mark W. Post, PhD<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-AU>Postdoctoral Research Fellow in Anthropological Linguistics<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-AU>The Cairns Institute<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-AU>James Cook University<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-AU>QLD 4878 Australia<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-AU> <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-AU>EML: <a href="mailto:mark.post@jcu.edu.au" target="_blank">mark.post@jcu.edu.au</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-AU>TEL: +61-7-4042-1881 (AU)<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-AU>TEL: +91-97183-63544 (IN-Del)<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-AU>TEL: +91-94360-42352 (IN-NE)<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-AU> <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-AU>Web: <a href="http://jamescook.academia.edu/MarkWPost" target="_blank">http://jamescook.academia.edu/MarkWPost</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'>Terry J. Klokeid</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'><a href="mailto:klokeid@uvic.ca" target="_blank">klokeid@uvic.ca</a></span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'> </span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-AU> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'>Dr. Terry J. Klokeid<br>Nuchquu-a</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'><br>Adjunct Professor of Linguistics, University of Victoria</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'>Coordinator, Nuu-chah-nulth Language Council</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'>Developer, Huu-ay-aht Language Recovery Program</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'> </span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'>North Island College, Room S111A </span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'>3699 Roger Street <br>Port Alberni, BC V9Y 8E3 </span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'>250.724.8743</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'> </span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'>home office</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'>Amblewood Multimedia Consulting</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'>126 Amblewood Drive<br>SaltSpring Island BC V8K 1X2</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'>250.653.4099</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'>mobile 250.208.9567</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'> </span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'><a href="mailto:klokeid@uvic.ca" target="_blank">klokeid@uvic.ca</a></span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'>Terry J. Klokeid</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'><a href="mailto:klokeid@uvic.ca" target="_blank">klokeid@uvic.ca</a></span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'> </span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>