<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hi Margaret,<br><br></div>I am not familiar with the Olympus products other than to say that I have never heard language documentation experts / organizations recommend them, whereas with the Zoom h4n and h1 I have. Personally I have good experience with the h4n but as I understand it is both above your budget range and in addition relatively heavy compared to the weight of both Zoom h1 and what I imagine for the Olympus. On of the major differences between the small ones you are talking about and recorders like the h4n is that the latter has xlr-plugs which allows you to connect it to high end external microphones. <br>
For my next field season I am planning for the following (compromise) setup for natural speech recording: Zoom h1 with a headset style dynamic cardioid external microphone: the h1 will fit in virtually anybody's trouser pocket and the headset mic will follow the movement of the mouth as it is attached to the head of the speaker; this guarantees a constant distance from mic to sound source which is a big plus for any recording I think, and it allows the speaker more freedom of movement than a heavier table top setup would Also, the setup is so light weight that it's presence is minimally intrusive. The kind of headset mic you choose will again depend on you budget, but you should go for a cardioid mic - a condenser mic would be best but for this kind of setup you will probably have to settle for a dynamic (no external power).<br>
<br></div>Best,<br><br></div>Steffen Haurholm-Larsen<br>Doktorand<br></div>Universität Bern, Schweiz<br><div><div><div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 3:17 AM, Mat Bettinson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mat@plothatching.com" target="_blank">mat@plothatching.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Margaret,<div class="im"><div><br></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">"Providing new phones is also tricky because, they are phones, and get used as such, and this would cycle back into the private domain. So I'm looking to introduce devices that only record audio, because these are quarantined in a sense, less likely to be used for other things."</span><br>
</div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px"><br></span></div></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">This is a valuable insight, thanks for that. We have been looking at providing new phones. Without SIM cards, so they don't really do anything else *. That said, the general point about dedicated recorders being "q</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">uarantined", virtually symbolic of the programme they are used for, is certainly well taken. Food for thought.</span></div>
<div><br></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">* There is some interest from researchers in using connected phones (Eg. with SIM cards) to record dialogue between people located remotely. Seems questionable ethics wise to me but I may be missing a trick.</font></div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 28 March 2013 12:53, Margaret Carew <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:margaret.carew@batchelor.edu.au" target="_blank">margaret.carew@batchelor.edu.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi<br>
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This is really interesting – the BOLD website that I am familiar with is a bit old now, so I wasn't up to date with these developments.<br>
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I know people who use their own phones to record for their own purposes, especially at ceremonies . What we are trying to do is extend this practice, and to introduce the notion of 'best practice'. This means recording the best quality, recording basic metadata and contributing recordings so that they can be curated and archived (also potentially used for other things such as linguistic analysis and resource development).<br>
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Extending the current use of phones by promoting physical add ons such as microphones seems at first glance, a bit tricky. There are a few reasons for this, most related to the complex role that phones play in interpersonal communication (worth its own study). To curate the material means accessing people's private phones which is fraught. Providing new phones is also tricky because, they are phones, and get used as such, and this would cycle back into the private domain. So I'm looking to introduce devices that only record audio, because these are quarantined in a sense, less likely to be used for other things. Part of what we are trying to do is raise the profile of language documentation in North-Central Arnhem Land, a place where there is a lot of local concern about language change, but no language centre and few structured efforts at community based documentation work in recent years. Providing kits identified for language and cultural documentation is one strategy towards this.<br>
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Regards<br>
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Desert Peoples Centre, Alice Springs<br>
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Subject: Re: [RNLD] basic audio recording gear<br>
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Margaret,<br>
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I can't recommend a cheap digital recorder of the type you mention, other than suggesting a different class of device, particularly since you mentioned BOLD:PNG.<br>
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As you may or may not know, BOLD:PNG moved on to using inexpensive mobile phones and a custom Android application. 'Moved on' perhaps unfairly suggests an upgrade with no drawbacks but that's probably not the case. Steven Bird and Florian Hanke are on the pointy end of the project and may correct this categorisation.<br>
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Using mobiles seems to be an excellent way to record certain genres such as narratives but clearly aren't as suitable for having a third person record dialogue between other interlocutors. Well, one can do that with a phone too but it requires using an external microphone and interfacing decent microphones to mobile phones is not exactly common.<br>
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I've been trying out add-on microphones to mixed success. There's no technical impediment. Last year I rigged up a Sure SM57 microphone to an Android smartphone with excellent results. I've yet to try it on a directional boom-style condenser microphone. I did get poor results with one or two models of super cheap Android phones but great results with a Huawei U8150, about $70 delivered on ebay.<br>
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I would be interested to hear your thoughts on this. Do you think, assuming the quality is up to scratch, that using phones with and without add-on microphones would be suitable for your work?<br>
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Having some visibility on concerns and requirements in this regard would be quite helpful in my research. I'd also like to make some recordings available to back up claims about recording quality.<br>
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Additionally, mobile phones running interactive applications obviously provide considerable other benefits. Not the least automatic recording of meta data, synching of recordings wirelessly and of course the whole re-speaking aspect of BOLD as implemented in Bird&Hanke's Aikuma application (which is on Google Play right now).<br>
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I hope I haven't overstepped with this. I'm sure someone else will come up with a more practical here and now suggestion.<br>
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</div><div>On 28 March 2013 11:22, Margaret Carew <<a href="mailto:margaret.carew@batchelor.edu.au" target="_blank">margaret.carew@batchelor.edu.au</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:margaret.carew@batchelor.edu.au" target="_blank">margaret.carew@batchelor.edu.au</a>>> wrote:<br>
Hi<br>
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I'm looking to buy a number of audio recorders for a project, working to a similar concept to BOLD:PNG<br>
<a href="http://www.boldpng.info/" target="_blank">http://www.boldpng.info/</a><br>
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The idea being that the recorders are provided to a few key people who then record independently, and recordings are fed back into the central project for curation (by me working with the team).<br>
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Budget is limited, and the cheaper the unit, the more we can buy. so I'm looking at either Olympus WS-812 or the Zoom H-1, both priced under AUD$150.<br>
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Does anyone have any thoughts? I'm concerned the zoom unit might be flimsy.<br>
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Thanks<br>
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Margaret Carew<br>
Project Linguist<br>
Desert Peoples Centre, Alice Springs<br>
Research, Teaching and Learning Division<br>
Batchelor Institute of Indigenous Tertiary Education<br>
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