<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><div><div><div></div><div><br></div><div>On Aug 4, 2014, at 10:55 PM, Stephen Morey <<a href="mailto:s.morey@latrobe.edu.au">s.morey@latrobe.edu.au</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div ocsi="0" fpstyle="1" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="direction: ltr; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 10pt;">Thank you very much for pointing that out, Rosey. I would consider that setting the default status at 'vigorous' is indeed problematic. If there is no information, the surely it is better to say 'don't know' or something of that kind?<br><div><br><div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;"><div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;">Stephen<br><br><div class="BodyFragment"><font size="2"></font></div></div></div></div><div style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: 16px;"><hr tabindex="-1"><div id="divRpF576389" style="direction: ltr;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Rosey Billington [<a href="mailto:rosey.billington@gmail.com">rosey.billington@gmail.com</a>]<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>05 August 2014 13:07<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Stephen Morey<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>r-n-l-d<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [RNLD] Case of Funding denied for languages described as "Vigorous" in Ethnologue.<br></font><br></div><div></div><div><div dir="ltr">Note also that 'vigorous' is the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>default<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></i>language status - from the methodology page: "<span style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-family: myriad-pro, 'Myriad Pro', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial; line-height: 21px;">Where the data were not sufficient, we set the EGIDS default value at EGIDS 6a." Very problematic, given the limited availability of accurate population and language use data in many parts of the world.</span><div><font color="#444444" face="myriad-pro, Myriad Pro, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 21px;"><br></span></font><div><font color="#444444" face="myriad-pro, Myriad Pro, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 21px;"><a href="http://www.ethnologue.com/about/language-status" target="_blank">http://www.ethnologue.com/about/language-status</a></span></font><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Stephen Morey<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:S.Morey@latrobe.edu.au" target="_blank">S.Morey@latrobe.edu.au</a>></span>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="direction: ltr; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 10pt;">Dear RNLD members,<br><br>The Wikipedia site on 'Ethnologue' contains the following paragraph:<br><br>"With the 17th edition,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>Ethnologue</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>introduced a numerical code for language status, along the lines of Fishman’s Graded Inter-generational Disruption Scale, that ranks a language from 0 for an<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_language" title="World language" target="_blank">international language</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>to 10 for an<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinct_language" title="Extinct language" target="_blank">extinct language</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>with no attempt at revival.<sup><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnologue#cite_note-12" target="_blank"><span>[</span>12<span>]</span></a></sup><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>This has had unintended consequences: Linguists have been denied funding for documenting endangered languages because<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>Ethnologue</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>rates them as "vigorous" (6); in doing so, SIL is addressing a competing concern, that missionaries generally cannot get funding to translate scripture<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>unless</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>the language is vigorous."<br><br>Does anyone know of any examples of the denial of funding for a project regarded by<i>Ethnologue</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>as "vigorous"?<br><br>Stephen<br><div><br><div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;"><div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px;"><div><font><div><font face="Arial">Stephen Morey<br>Australian Research Council Future Fellow<br>Centre for Research on Language Diversity<br>La Trobe University<br></font></div><div><font face="Arial">Website:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font><a href="http://www.latrobe.edu.au/rclt/StaffPages/morey.htm" target="_blank"><font face="Arial">http://www.latrobe.edu.au/humanities/about/staff/profile?uname=SMorey</font></a></div><div><br><font face="Arial">Language data website:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font><a href="http://sealang.net/assam" target="_blank"><font face="Arial">http://sealang.net/assam</font></a><font face="Arial"><br>Dictionary websites:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font><a href="http://sealang.net/ahom" target="_blank"><font face="Arial">http://sealang.net/ahom</font></a><font face="Arial">; <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font><a href="http://sealang.net/singpho" target="_blank"><font face="Arial">http://sealang.net/singpho</font></a><font face="Arial">;</font><a href="http://sealang.net/phake" target="_blank"><font face="Arial">http://sealang.net/phake</font></a><font face="Arial"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Linguistic data archived at::<br>DoBeS: <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font><font face="Arial"><a href="http://www.mpi.nl/DoBeS" target="_blank">http://www.mpi.nl/DoBeS</a></font><font face="Arial"> and follow a link to projects, then Tangsa, Tai and Singpho in North East India<br>ELAR:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://elar.soas.ac.uk/" target="_blank">http://elar.soas.ac.uk</a></font><font face="Arial"><br>PARADISEC: <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font><a href="http://www.paradisec.org.au/" target="_blank"><font face="Arial">http://www.paradisec.org.au</font></a><br></div><div><font face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font face="Arial">North East Indian Linguistics Society:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font><a href="http://sealang.net/neils" target="_blank"><font face="Arial">http://sealang.net/neils</font></a></div></font></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>