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Thanks a lot Simon - I had heard about this talk, but hadn't yet
seen the slides. Really covers the ground well!<br>
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I'm not sure whether I should continue this on-list or not, but it
seems to me that the ERA 2015 guidelines already have a certain
amount of this apparatus in place. That is, for better or for worse,
it seems that they're prepared to allow institutions, or schools
within institutions, to convene "expert review boards" to assess
NTROs and supporting statements in relation to the ARC definitions
of "research". I'm not sure how this is going to work in practice,
but the assumption that we're operating under is that it will be
possible to demonstrate that meeting the depositing requirements put
in place by ELAR, PARADISEC, etc., is equivalent to an event of
"acceptance for publication". It remains to convince the "expert
review board", whoever they turn out to be, that, one, this
constitutes research output in terms of the ARC definitions
(probably not very difficult), and two, and potentially much more
difficult, that a deposit of scale/richness x is equivalent to
traditional publication type y. This is the sort of thing I was
hoping someone might already have undertaken, so that we might learn
from their experiences.<br>
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I'd welcome any further suggestions, whether on-list or off; I
certainly agree with Simon that this is an important issue,
particularly (potentially) for postgrads' employment prospects!<br>
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Cheers<br>
Mark<br>
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This topic has already been approached by the Australian
Linguistics Society and a conversation started with the
ARC (it hasn't moved much in the last little while, but
that is not the ARC's fault!).<br>
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A group of us presented at ALS2012 on the topic (slides
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Those of us involved see this as a very important issue;
unfortunately pressure of other work has halted the momentum
we had managed, but we do intend to pursue the matter.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 6 August 2014 10:03, Mark W. Post <span
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Hi Linda,<br>
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We were planning to go with the category "Curated or
Produced Substantial Public Exhibitions and Events" under
the subcategory "Web based exhibition". There is also an
"Other" subcategory (p. 7 of the ERA 2015 Fact Sheet 02).
Our local ERA person thinks this should work for an ELAR
deposit, for example, but it is a bit of an experiment...<br>
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On 5/08/2014 4:43 PM, Linda Barwick wrote:<br>
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Hi Mark<br>
I don't believe that archival deposits fit comfortably
within any of the current ERA NTRO categories. Did you
have one in mind?<br>
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Perhaps we could lobby the ARC to include archival
deposits as a special subcategory of reports for
future rounds, but I observe that so far they have
been quite resistant to attempts to add or redefine
categories.<br>
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Linda<br>
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Dear RNLDers,<br>
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In the current ERA reporting round, there seems to
be an increase in<br>
attention to Non-Traditional Research Output (NTRO).
Here at UNE, we're<br>
trying to work out how archive deposits (corpora of
language-documentary<br>
materials) can be assessed in the NTRO context, and,
ultimately,<br>
effectively weighted in relation to TROs. In
addition to general<br>
problems of equivalence, one of the concerns is the
fact that deposits<br>
often grow in scale and richness over time, whereas
there might be only<br>
one recognizable submission/acceptance "event".<br>
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Does anyone have experience with this, or is anyone
currently preparing<br>
an NTRO submission along these lines for the current
ERA round?<br>
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Many thanks in advance,<br>
<br>
Mark<br>
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