<div dir="ltr">Two questions:<div><br></div><div>1. If the archived version of the audio is "converted" from three tracks down to one track - even if all the audio content is present - how is one to restore the project from the archive back to a future user's instance of SayMore in such a way as to have three independent tracks? The three track paradigm is an original part of the "created corpus". I'm not sure I understand via the linked post and software's readme file how we are preserving the corpus to be usable in the same context as it was created.</div><div><br></div><div>2. John Hatton's screen shot presents a well working paradigm, as does Nicks proposed solution if one is working solely with list based elicitation data. In some languages (Mexico) the silence during connected speech is actually meaningful and contrastive. So, when working with discourse units lager than a word, I fail to see how Nick's solution preserves the original audio in its original form. - Perhaps I am missing something/not understanding something in his methodology and what the perceived archival object is.</div><div><br></div><div>- All the best,</div><div>- Hugh Paterson III</div><div><br></div><div>Full disclosure, I was trained by SIL to use SayMore, but gave it up because 1. it did not enable me to work on a LAN with multiple collaborators annotating a corpus - My work usually involves several native and non-native speakers working together. 2. It didn't run on OS X/Linux. Occasionally I do pull it out and look at it, but mostly to read the methodology files in the application's helps.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 4:18 PM, John Hatton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:john_hatton@sil.org" target="_blank">john_hatton@sil.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">
<div>Note that SayMore already automatically creates a single file that combines all
the annotations, and places it, indented, below the .eaf (ELAN) file. If you have just speech followed by careful speech, you
get a wav with the original and careful taking turns. If you also
record a translation, then you get a 3 tracks, this time with the
original, careful, and translation all taking turns, one after the
other. Here's an annotated screenshot from audacity of the saymore's
generated "Oral Annotations" file to illustrate that:<br><br><img src="cid:ii_jermhv4l1_16226818790e935b" class="m_-1912140575500649962gmail-CToWUd m_-1912140575500649962gmail-a6T" width="561" height="341"><br><br></div><br>I
was thinking such a combined file was a good archival artifact
capturing the whole BOLD package. Probably we need some kind of note when you export the IMDI telling people that your language archive is not going to want the contents of the folder with all the little recordings, but that all that information is encoded in this single file.<br><br>It's exciting to hear that at least one researcher is doing BOLD. We'd love to hear experiences or announcements on the SayMore forum, <a href="https://community.software.sil.org/c/saymore" target="_blank">https://community.software.sil<wbr>.org/c/saymore</a>.
<br><div class="m_-1912140575500649962gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><p><a name="m_-1912140575500649962_UNIQUE_ID_SafeHtmlFilter__MailAutoSig">Regards,</a></p><p><a name="m_-1912140575500649962_UNIQUE_ID_SafeHtmlFilter__MailAutoSig">John
Hatton</a></p>
<p><span style="font-size:8pt">Senior Software Engineer/Program Manager<br></span><span style="font-size:8pt">Language Software Development<br></span><span style="font-size:8pt">SIL International</span></p></div></div><span class="">
<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Nick Thieberger <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thien@unimelb.edu.au" target="_blank">thien@unimelb.edu.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">If you have used SayMore for creating spoken annotations of a recording (the BOLD method) then you may have found that it has created hundreds, or thousands, of small audio files. When you come to archive this mass of data, <span style="font-size:12.8px">you may want to try the tool our colleagues built for us. It rejoins the files and inserts silence in the master file so it is all synced up, and playable as a single file. On behalf of digital language archives I ask that you do not archive all of the small files created by SayMore, but that you use this method<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"> to produce a good archival form of the data.<span> </span></span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Details here:<span> </span><a href="http://www.paradisec.org.au/blog/2018/03/merging-saymore-audio-snippets-into-a-single-wav-file/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">http://www.paradisec.org<wbr>.au/blog/2018/03/merging-saymo<wbr>re-audio-snippets-into-a-singl<wbr>e-wav-file/</a></div></div>
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