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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-NZ link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hello<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>We are just working on a unit around colours at the moment for Yaama Gamilaraay! early childhood project, with the attached posters which include the origins of the words. The new words we developed for the project a couple of years ago were for ‘purple’ and ‘orange’, based on plants and using reduplication.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Hilary<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Calibri><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><span lang=EN-US> Resource-network-linguistic-diversity <resource-network-linguistic-diversity-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org> <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Maia Ponsonnet<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, 8 April 2021 9:36 PM<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Ivan Kapitonov <moving.alpha@gmail.com>; Harley Dunolly-Lee <harley.dunollylee123@gmail.com><br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> resource-network-linguistic-diversity@listserv.linguistlist.org<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [RNLD List] Words<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Hello, I wonder if "medium" could be rendered by adding a word meaning "a little bit" to the adjective, so "a little bit big"?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Kind regards, Maļa <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div id=Signature><div><div id=divtagdefaultwrapper><div id=divtagdefaultwrapper><p><font size=3 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Dr Maļa Ponsonnet<br>Senior Lecturer, Discipline of Linguistics<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p><font size=3 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Graduate Research Coordinator, School of Social Sciences<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p><font size=3 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Building M257, Room 2.36<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p><font size=3 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Faculty of Arts, Business, Law and Education<br>The University of Western Australia<br>35 Stirling Hwy, Perth, WA (6009), Australia<br>P. +61 (0) 8 6488 2870 - M. +61 (0) 468 571 030<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div id=divtagdefaultwrapper><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></span></font></div><div id=divRplyFwdMsg><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font color=black><span style='color:black'> Resource-network-linguistic-diversity <<a href="mailto:resource-network-linguistic-diversity-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org">resource-network-linguistic-diversity-bounces@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>> on behalf of Ivan Kapitonov <<a href="mailto:moving.alpha@gmail.com">moving.alpha@gmail.com</a>><br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, 8 April 2021 5:25 PM<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Harley Dunolly-Lee <<a href="mailto:harley.dunollylee123@gmail.com">harley.dunollylee123@gmail.com</a>><br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> <a href="mailto:resource-network-linguistic-diversity@listserv.linguistlist.org">resource-network-linguistic-diversity@listserv.linguistlist.org</a> <<a href="mailto:resource-network-linguistic-diversity@listserv.linguistlist.org">resource-network-linguistic-diversity@listserv.linguistlist.org</a>><br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [RNLD List] Words</span></font> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Hi Harley,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>I suppose the green/plant overlap shouldn't be too bad -- as long as <i><span style='font-style:italic'>malak</span></i> can be used at all for something non-plant. If you decide that you need the equivalent for 'blue' in the end, one possibility is to use things that have the colour: e.g. 'sky', or 'river'/'sea', or 'cloud', whatever is most appropriate. I learned this from Kunbarlang, spoken in Arnhem Land. There aren't many words specific to colours at all, but they might say <i><span style='font-style:italic'>yimarne kuyunu</span></i> 'like cloud' for 'blue', or <i><span style='font-style:italic'>yimarne mulubin</span></i> 'like blood' for 'red'.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>As for mid-size, that's very tricky, isn't it. The "small-small" as John pointed out is an option, but watch out -- in some languages that might mean 'very small' rather than 'mid-size', so you might want to look for other such reduplicated words in Dja Dja Wurrung to see which way they tend to be used. I can think of two further alternatives: either to add a word like 'a bit' or 'half-way', or to add a word like 'very' or 'really'. Thus, you'd have 'small' -- 'half-big' -- 'big', or 'not hard' -- 'hard' -- 'very hard', or similar. I think at least in Woiwurrung there is a word for 'half' (<i><span style='font-style:italic'>marru</span></i>?).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>The 'flood' idea is very cool I think, but I don't know what your target is about (the pass--middle--intensive).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Vanya<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 2:12 AM Harley Dunolly-Lee <<a href="mailto:harley.dunollylee123@gmail.com">harley.dunollylee123@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Hello RNLDs <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>I am emailing to ask the following questions. At Dja Dja Wurrung, we are beggining to name things in our data bases such as mapping, tools, administration etc. One of things we wanting to name are the management zones within the Parks areas on Country. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>The following words are to be translated into Dja Dja Wurrung. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Easy, moderate, hard <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Small, medium, big<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Red, blue, green <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Pass, middile (in-between), intensive<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Good, bad <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>I did some research and some of these words I have found words. I had to search into the English synonyms to get a better idea. However, some of these words overlap each other. Also, blue and green are the same colour in Dja Dja Wurrung and related languages. I do not want to colonized this way of seeing colours either. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>There is word for green, malak but its also the word for green plants like milk thistles or greens. Lol so maybe not the 'green' that was meant to be. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>I had a look at the list, and related languages, but I am finding difficulties to express these words. The data is limited and we gave no fluent speakers. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Word for intensive, I have chosen wola-wola 'flood', wherw wola 'rain', because floods can be intensive. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>What do the languages you know, speak or work with get around these sorts of things ? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>_______________________________________________<br>Resource-network-linguistic-diversity mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Resource-network-linguistic-diversity@listserv.linguistlist.org" target="_blank">Resource-network-linguistic-diversity@listserv.linguistlist.org</a><br><a href="https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flistserv.linguistlist.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fresource-network-linguistic-diversity&data=04%7C01%7Cmaia.ponsonnet%40uwa.edu.au%7C8232d3c4715b46beaa1a08d8fa705679%7C05894af0cb2846d8871674cdb46e2226%7C1%7C1%7C637534707690719175%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=%2Fe%2FAd%2FHlBq7lJ%2Fvp68ta%2BnD6BfNatOThbYSVXkIHsVE%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">http://listserv.linguistlist.org/mailman/listinfo/resource-network-linguistic-diversity</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></blockquote></div></div></div></div></body></html>