<div dir="ltr"><div>Don't despair! Yes, it can be a lifelong process (and should be open to updating anyway). But one of my MA students produced a small dictionary from archived materials for her MA dissertation. The dissertation describes the process and decisions made in detail. I'm copying her in (bcc) - she might be willing to share it with you. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes</div><div>Julia<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 26 May 2021 at 06:40, Harley Dunolly-Lee <<a href="mailto:harley.dunollylee123@gmail.com">harley.dunollylee123@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Heyy thank you for your feedback. <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Sounds like it will take awhile. I appreciate this :) </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 20 May 2021, 6:23 pm Jane Simpson, <<a href="mailto:jansimps@gmail.com" target="_blank">jansimps@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Good list from Jacqui.<div>I'd just add</div><div>Take a word, time how long it takes you to write a definition for that word with all the information that you want to give about it in the dictionary. </div><div> Then multiply that time by the number of words you think you have. </div><div>Then double that time for.. deciding that you need to make a particular change across all the entries, </div><div>And maybe triple it for finding your software doesn't work properly, </div><div>Quadruple it for doing an English finder list (and all the discoveries you make along the way that mean you then change your earlier entries). </div><div>And add in extra time for writing the introductory material, getting photographs of the people who worked on the dictionary or who provided material, getting a good map etc..... deciding on a cover picture...</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 3:06 PM Jacqui Cook <<a href="mailto:linguist@irrawangga.org.au" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">linguist@irrawangga.org.au</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">It depends on the community and on how far along you are in understanding the language and getting the material together. Several years for most cases, in my experience! A few key questions that will help you to estimate how much further
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<li style="margin-left:0cm">Have you had community workshops to decide how you’re going to write it down?</li><li style="margin-left:0cm">Do you have recordings or are you working off old wordlists? It’s much easier to know what sounds are in the language if you have at least some recordings.</li><li style="margin-left:0cm">Do you have all the words written out using a community approved writing system? This can take a surprising amount of time!</li><li style="margin-left:0cm">Have you figured out what grammatical information you have and what is missing? If you have a lot missing, are you going to talk to TOs of related languages about borrowing some of
their grammatical material?</li><li style="margin-left:0cm">Do you know how the grammar works or are you still analysing it?</li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We have been 2 years doing just a dictionary reprint in sound for 2 of the languages here! So it can definitely take time...</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="border:medium none;padding:0cm"><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:harley.dunollylee123@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">Harley Dunolly-Lee</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Thursday, 20 May 2021 12:58 PM<br>
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<b>Subject: </b>[RNLD List] Timeframes for Dictionaries</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am emailing to ask what is the average timeframe for a dictionary word list including grammar for languages that are sleeping?? <u></u><u></u></p>
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