<div dir="ltr">Dictionaries are lifelong projects but they can be broken down into chunks and released along the way! The Kullilli dictionary (available on the Apple and Google play stores for free) took about 8 months to get to its current point. There's a lot more we need to do, but we felt it was more important to release something that's not perfect so that we can get feedback. We are continuing to work on pretty much all aspects of the dictionary and will be doing so for many years, I suspect.<div>Claire</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 4:18 AM Julia Sallabank <<a href="mailto:js72@soas.ac.uk" target="_blank">js72@soas.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Don't despair! Yes, it can be a lifelong process (and should be open to updating anyway). But one of my MA students produced a small dictionary from archived materials for her MA dissertation. The dissertation describes the process and decisions made in detail. I'm copying her in (bcc) - she might be willing to share it with you. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes</div><div>Julia<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 26 May 2021 at 06:40, Harley Dunolly-Lee <<a href="mailto:harley.dunollylee123@gmail.com" target="_blank">harley.dunollylee123@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Heyy thank you for your feedback. <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Sounds like it will take awhile. I appreciate this :) </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 20 May 2021, 6:23 pm Jane Simpson, <<a href="mailto:jansimps@gmail.com" target="_blank">jansimps@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Good list from Jacqui.<div>I'd just add</div><div>Take a word, time how long it takes you to write a definition for that word with all the information that you want to give about it in the dictionary. </div><div> Then multiply that time by the number of words you think you have. </div><div>Then double that time for.. deciding that you need to make a particular change across all the entries, </div><div>And maybe triple it for finding your software doesn't work properly, </div><div>Quadruple it for doing an English finder list (and all the discoveries you make along the way that mean you then change your earlier entries). </div><div>And add in extra time for writing the introductory material, getting photographs of the people who worked on the dictionary or who provided material, getting a good map etc..... deciding on a cover picture...</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 3:06 PM Jacqui Cook <<a href="mailto:linguist@irrawangga.org.au" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">linguist@irrawangga.org.au</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">It depends on the community and on how far along you are in understanding the language and getting the material together. Several years for most cases, in my experience! A few key questions that will help you to estimate how much further
you have to go:</p>
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<li style="margin-left:0cm">Have you had community workshops to decide how you’re going to write it down?</li><li style="margin-left:0cm">Do you have recordings or are you working off old wordlists? It’s much easier to know what sounds are in the language if you have at least some recordings.</li><li style="margin-left:0cm">Do you have all the words written out using a community approved writing system? This can take a surprising amount of time!</li><li style="margin-left:0cm">Have you figured out what grammatical information you have and what is missing? If you have a lot missing, are you going to talk to TOs of related languages about borrowing some of
their grammatical material?</li><li style="margin-left:0cm">Do you know how the grammar works or are you still analysing it?</li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We have been 2 years doing just a dictionary reprint in sound for 2 of the languages here! So it can definitely take time...</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="border:medium none;padding:0cm"><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:harley.dunollylee123@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">Harley Dunolly-Lee</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Thursday, 20 May 2021 12:58 PM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am emailing to ask what is the average timeframe for a dictionary word list including grammar for languages that are sleeping?? <u></u><u></u></p>
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