From MLLEMILY at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu  Fri Dec  1 01:16:22 1995
From: MLLEMILY at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (Emily Tall)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 20:16:22 -0500
Subject: request from bellcore
Message-ID: <THU.30.NOV.1995.201622.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

A recent request from Bellcore, a division of Bell Labs (or something
like that) asked for some recordings and/or translations. Before any
good-natured seelangers respond, keep in mind that Bellcore probably
wants to use this to make some money. They probably have a client for
whom they are putting together some language-related system. This
advice was received from a former employee of Bell Labs. If anyone
is interested in responding to these commercial inquiries, they should
charge a fee!!! Emily Tall SUNY/Buffalo


From vakarel at OREGON.UOREGON.EDU  Fri Dec  1 01:36:01 1995
From: vakarel at OREGON.UOREGON.EDU (Vakareliyska)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 17:36:01 -0800
Subject: summer language program: Russian, Bulgarian
Message-ID: <THU.30.NOV.1995.173601.0800.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

                             OREGON SLAVIC SUMMER
                         University of Oregon, Eugene

                          June 24 - August 16, 1996


Intensive Language Programs:


        - Intensive Beginning BULGARIAN


        - Intensive First-, Second-, and Third-Year RUSSIAN


        - BUSINESS RUSSIAN


        - Advanced Readings in Russian Literature

        - Multimedia course in Russian culture

        - Slavic cinema course




For further information, contact:

        Albert Leong, Director
        1996 Oregon Slavic Summer Program
        Department of Russian
        University of Oregon
        Eugene, Oregon 97403

        Tel.: (541) 346-4065; 346-4078
        Fax:  (541) 346-1327
        e-mail:  leong at oregon.uoregon.edu


(Course offerings contingent on enrollments)


From KEC7497 at tntech.edu  Fri Dec  1 02:00:23 1995
From: KEC7497 at tntech.edu (KEVIN CHRISTIANSON)
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 20:00:23 -0600
Subject: query re: SLAVIC & EAST EUROPEAN ARTS journal
Message-ID: <THU.30.NOV.1995.200023.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

What's happened to SLAVIC AND EAST EUROPEAN ARTS journal?  I've tried to
subscribe to it twice this past year, sending off a check last Feb and again
this fall.  Neither check's been cashed.  Has the editorial office moved from
SUNY-STONYBROOK to another school?  Anyone out there know what's happened to
this publication? Thanks.

********************************************************************************
christianson k / English <<kec7497 at tntech.edu>> "We forgive only madmen and
children for being frank with us; others, if they have the audacity to imitate
them, will regret it sooner or later."  --E.M.Cioran.
********************************************************************************



From apollard at umich.edu  Fri Dec  1 14:10:09 1995
From: apollard at umich.edu (alan p. pollard)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 09:10:09 -0500
Subject: query re: SLAVIC & EAST EUROPEAN ARTS journal
In-Reply-To: <01HY9LLCOWDUHTT1MB@tntech.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.1995.091009.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Thanks for the tip.  The last issue we received was summer 1993 (v. 8,
no. 1), though a year ago we paid an invoice for 1995/96.  Publication
has always been irregular, but this bears looking into.

Alan Pollard
University of Michigan Library

On Thu, 30 Nov 1995, KEVIN CHRISTIANSON wrote:

> What's happened to SLAVIC AND EAST EUROPEAN ARTS journal?  I've tried to
> subscribe to it twice this past year, sending off a check last Feb and again
> this fall.  Neither check's been cashed.  Has the editorial office moved from
> SUNY-STONYBROOK to another school?  Anyone out there know what's happened to
> this publication? Thanks.
>
>
 *******************************************************************************
 *
> christianson k / English <<kec7497 at tntech.edu>> "We forgive only madmen and
> children for being frank with us; others, if they have the audacity to imitate
> them, will regret it sooner or later."  --E.M.Cioran.
>
 *******************************************************************************
 *
>


From spiegel at thumper.bellcore.com  Fri Dec  1 14:20:59 1995
From: spiegel at thumper.bellcore.com (Murray F Spiegel)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 09:20:59 EST
Subject: translation request from Bellcore
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.1995.092059.EST.>

Emily Tall of SUNY/Buffalo suggested my recent request for translators
of lesser-used languages had something to do with a paying client for
the company I work for (Bellcore), and that anyone offering help
should charge a fee.

My description of the project was not misleading.
It is an international cross-cultural linguistics project,
and is a private, non-profit effort.  We will make our translations
available to linguists and researchers with cross-cultural interests
via a privately published booklet and via our resources on
the Internet.  Our interest is in collection and dissemination.
It is difficult to predict all the uses these translations will provide,
as evidenced by the variety of people who have already expressed interest
in our project.

We are unfunded.  We pursue these translations solely on our
own time because of our love of languages in general and the project
in particular.  We can not offer any major remuneration for expenses.
(However, we do provide cassettes and postage for mailings, if desired.)
We've relied on the good graces of others,  and we've been pleasantly
rewarded so far.

The text has minor religious connotations, which is why it was selected.
Our project collects both translations and audio renditions;
we now have over 70 different languages.    Believe me, there is
little commercial applicability of these translations.

I would like to encourage all who considered responding to do so,
and would like to thank all who have volunteered already.

If you are interested and would either like to see the original request,
or would like additional information, please contact me.  Remember that
I'm not subscribed to SEELANGS, so please reply directly to my address
below.

I am sorry for any misimpressions my request may have made.

Murray Spiegel
spiegel at bellcore.com


From sjfrank at clark.net  Fri Dec  1 04:12:20 1995
From: sjfrank at clark.net (Stephen J. Frank)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 12:12:20 +0800
Subject: seeking roommate for AATSEEL
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.1995.121220.0800.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Hello AATSEEL people going to Chicago!

        I am looking for a male, non-smoking, near-native Russian fluency
(just kidding) roommate for the Palmer House Hilton Hotel in Chicago for
the AATSEEL Annual Meeting. I plan to arrive on Tues. Dec. 26 and leave on
Sat.. Dec. 30. I have already reserved a double room.

        If you are interested in sharing room costs, please contact me
directly at my e-mail   sjfrank at clark.net.

        Thanks.

Steve Frank
Center of Russian Language and Culture
Baltimore, Maryland
(410) 467-3308
sjfrank at clark.net


From herber at dcdrjh.fnal.gov  Fri Dec  1 18:23:07 1995
From: herber at dcdrjh.fnal.gov (Randolph J. Herber)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 12:23:07 -0600
Subject: request from bellcore
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.1995.122307.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

The following header lines retained to affect attribution:
|Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 20:16:22 -0500
|From: Emily Tall <MLLEMILY at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu>
|Subject: request from bellcore

|A recent request from Bellcore, a division of Bell Labs (or something
|like that) asked for some recordings and/or translations. Before any
|good-natured seelangers respond, keep in mind that Bellcore probably
|wants to use this to make some money. They probably have a client for
|whom they are putting together some language-related system. This
|advice was received from a former employee of Bell Labs. If anyone
|is interested in responding to these commercial inquiries, they should
|charge a fee!!! Emily Tall SUNY/Buffalo

Pre 1984 and the Modified Final Judgement that broke up AT&T (THE Phone
Company, there was no Bellcore.

After that time, AT&T became a long distance carrier and equipment provider,
keeping Bell Labs (the research laboratory), Network Systems (the engineering
group), and Western Electric (the manufacturing component).  The local
telephone service was divided into 7 (R)egional (B)asic (O)operating
(C)ompanies, e.g. Bell Atlantic, Bell South, US West, Ameritech, Pac Bell,
Nynex, and I can not remember, off hand, the other one's name.

The RBOCs developed their own engineering and manufacturing capacities,
either in house or by out-sourcing.  But the RBOCs together needed a common
research laboratory.  That common research laboratory is Bellcore.

Bellcore is not part of AT&T nor Bell Labs; and, has to be that way because
of the MFJ.

I do agree with the observation to charge a fee.

Randolph J. Herber, herber at dcdrjh.fnal.gov, +1 708 840 2966, CD/HQ CDF-PK-149O
(Speaking for myself and not for US, US DOE, FNAL nor URA.)
(Product, trade, or service marks herein belong to their respective owners.)
N 41.84079 W 88.24860 approximately.


From rbeard at bucknell.edu  Fri Dec  1 19:17:06 1995
From: rbeard at bucknell.edu (robert beard)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 14:17:06 -0500
Subject: 17th & 18th century icons
Message-ID: <FRI.1.DEC.1995.141706.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

One of my students is writing an honors thesis on 17th & 18th century icons
based on hymns and is having difficulty finding pictures of post-schism
icons either based on hymns or not.  I would appreciate any suggestions of
books or galleries that would help.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Robert Beard
   Telephone: 717-524-1336
Russian & Linguistics Programs
 Fax: 717-524-3760
Bucknell University
     Lewisburg, PA 17837
RUSSIA AND NIS Web Site:         http://www.bucknell.edu/departments/russian
MORPHOLOGY ON THE INTERNET:             http://www.bucknell.edu/~rbeard
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From natasha at mgu-usa.org  Sat Dec  2 04:58:30 1995
From: natasha at mgu-usa.org (Natalia Romanoff)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 00:58:30 -0400
Subject: RUSSIAN LANGUAGE STUDY AT MOSCOW STATE UNIVERSITY
Message-ID: <SAT.2.DEC.1995.005830.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

RUSSIAN LANGUAGE STUDY AT MOSCOW STATE UNIVERSITY

Moscow State University has a file available on its direct enrollment of
students of the Russian language. To receive the online brochure and
application for studying Russian at Moscow State during 1996, send a
message to info at mgu-usa.org with the subject heading =B3GO MGU1=B2 (without =
the
quotes). The file will be dispatched to you as a mail attachment.

If this does not work with your mail system, or you have other questions,
send mail to dbain at mgu-usa.org.

=46OR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION CONTACT:

Moscow State University
Visiting Scholars Program
U.S. Office
tel: (703) 312-8606
fax: (703) 528-1477
email: natasha at mgu-usa.org or dbain at mgu-usa.org


From MLLEMILY at UBVMS.BITNET  Sat Dec  2 16:22:38 1995
From: MLLEMILY at UBVMS.BITNET (Emily Tall)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 11:22:38 -0500
Subject: seksual'nost'
Message-ID: <SAT.2.DEC.1995.112238.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Does anyone  know if the word "seksual'nost'" still has the narrow
connotation of sexual responsiveness, in Russian, or if it is ever
used in the broad way that it is now used in English. Is there a Russian
word or combination of words that would be the equivalent of the English
term "sexuality," which covers things like teenage pregnancy, homo-
sexuality, sexual relations - when one has them (at what age), AIDs,
etc.? Thanks! Emily Tall
mllemily at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu


From Z5B50 at ttacs.ttu.edu  Mon Dec  4 01:49:09 1995
From: Z5B50 at ttacs.ttu.edu (Jay Long)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 19:49:09 -0600
Subject: Cyrillic Script
Message-ID: <SUN.3.DEC.1995.194909.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Where can I get a copy of a Cyrillic script that I can map to my keyboard &
use over the Internet when writing e-mail & communicating with friends?


Jay Long
j.long at ttacs.ttu.edu


From svetlana at gac.edu  Mon Dec  4 15:09:37 1995
From: svetlana at gac.edu (Svetlana Stepanskaia)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:09:37 +0300
Subject: New Year song
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.1995.180937.0300.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Dear Seelangers,
I am in desperate need of the lyrics for the famous Russian New Year song
"V lesu rodilas' yolochka". If somebody knows the English translation of this
song I would appreciate your e-mailing me the words.
Thank you very much in advance.

Svetlana Stepanskaia
e-mail: svetlana at nic.gac.edu


From gfowler at indiana.edu  Mon Dec  4 23:51:34 1995
From: gfowler at indiana.edu (George Fowler)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:51:34 -0500
Subject: Seeking room to share at AATSEEL in Chicago
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.1995.185134.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Greetings! Michael Yadroff, a grad student in Slavic linguistics at
Indiana, asked me to post to SEELangs his request to find a room to share
at AATSEEL this year. He most likely needs the nights of the 27th, 28th,
and 29th, and conceivably the 30th, depending on his transportation
arrangements (he's looking for a ride up there now). If you have an extra
bed, please send him a message at myadroff at indiana.edu.
     Thanks!
     George Fowler

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
George Fowler                    [Email]  gfowler at indiana.edu
Dept. of Slavic Languages        [Home]   1-317-726-1482  **Try here first**
Ballantine 502                   [Dept]   1-812-855-9906/-2624/-2608
Indiana University               [Office] 1-812-855-2829
Bloomington, IN  47405  USA      [Fax]    1-812-855-2107
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


From goscilo+ at pitt.edu  Tue Dec  5 03:06:03 1995
From: goscilo+ at pitt.edu (Helena Goscilo)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 22:06:03 -0500
Subject: Seeking room to share at AATSEEL in Chicago
In-Reply-To: <v0154050cace93972ef07@[134.68.249.75]>
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.1995.220603.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Well, you COULD forward to him the earlier SEELangs message by S. Frank
seeking a roommate.  Rol' svodnika ili sviatogo.

Helena Goscilo


From rar at slavic.umass.edu  Tue Dec  5 04:02:02 1995
From: rar at slavic.umass.edu (ROBERT A ROTHSTEIN)
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 23:02:02 -0500
Subject: New Year song
In-Reply-To: <199512041448.IAA15338@solen.gac.edu>
Message-ID: <MON.4.DEC.1995.230202.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Here's one version of "V lesu rodilas' elochka," which was requested
by Svetlana Stepanskaia (I leave the translation to her):

        V lesu rodilas' elochka, v lesu ona rosla,
        Zimoi i letom stroinaia, zelenaia byla.
        Trusishko zaika seren'kii pod elochkoi skakal,
        Poroiu volk serdityi rystsoiu probegal.

        Chu! sneg po lesu chastomu pod sankami skripit,
        Loshadka moxnonogaia toropitsia, bezhit.
        Vezet loshadka droven'ki, a v drovniakh muzhichok,
        Srubil on nashu elochku pod samyi koreshok.

        Stoliar iz etoi elochki nam stul'chik smasteril,
        Ego on krepko skleil, gvozdochkami zabil.
        Teper' na etom stul'chike Vaniushechka sidit,
        Pro elochku, pro zaichika kartinki on gliadit.

                        Bob Rothstein


From avi at tovna.co.il  Tue Dec  5 08:54:13 1995
From: avi at tovna.co.il (Avraham Kofman)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 08:54:13 IST
Subject: New Year song
Message-ID: <TUE.5.DEC.1995.085413.IST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

A slight correction: the last two lines of the Elochka's first verse seem to be

       TrusishkA zaika seren'kii pod elochkoi skakal,
       Poroiu volk, serdityi VOLK rystsoiu probegal.

Though  I grew up on this song (Kiev, the 30s), I've never heard the next two
verses. They must have been considered old fashioned and were substituted by

       Teper' ona, narjadnaja
       Iz lesu k nam prishla
       I mnogo-mnogo radosti
       Detishkam prinesla.

I am conveying this to you, since I've deleted the post of Svetlana Stepanskaia.

                                                             Avraham Kofman


From rar at slavic.umass.edu  Tue Dec  5 14:32:52 1995
From: rar at slavic.umass.edu (ROBERT A ROTHSTEIN)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 09:32:52 -0500
Subject: New Year song
In-Reply-To: <9512050654.AA09385@barak>
Message-ID: <TUE.5.DEC.1995.093252.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

        Thanks to Avraham Kofman for his comments on the version of
"Elochka" that I posted.  I described my text as "one version" since
I knew that there was an "original" somewhere, but had not been
able to remember where it was.  The text I posted is apparently a
folklorized version of a poem by Raisa Adamovna Kudasheva (1878-1964).
Kudasheva's text was first published in the journal _Maliutka_ in 1903
(in a longer version) as a playlet.  The "canonical" version, which was
set to music by L. Bekman, reads as follows (from _Russkaia poeziia
detiam_ [_Biblioteka poeta, Bol'shaia seriia_], 1989):

        V lesu rodilas' elochka,
        V lesu ona rosla,
        Zimoi i letom stroinaia,
        Zelenaia byla.

        Metel' ei pela pesenku:
        "Spi, elochka, bai-bai!"
        Moroz snezhkom ukutyval:
        "Smotri, ne zamerzai!"

        Trusishka zaika seren'kii
        Pod elochkoi skakal.
        Poroi volk, serdityi volk,
        Rystsoiu probegal.

        Chu!  Sneg po lesu chastomu
        Pod polozom skripit.
        Loshadka moxnonogaia
        Toropitsia, bezhit.

        Vezet loshadka drovenki,
        Na drovniakh starichok.
        Srubil on nashu elochku
        Pod samyi koreshok.

        I vot ty zdes', nariadnaia,
        Na prazdnik k nam prishla
        I mnogo-mnogo radosti
        Detishkam prinesla.

                                        Bob Rothstein


From avi at tovna.co.il  Tue Dec  5 16:51:35 1995
From: avi at tovna.co.il (Avraham Kofman)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 16:51:35 IST
Subject: New Year song
Message-ID: <TUE.5.DEC.1995.165135.IST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Thank you, this is the version I ment. You've returned me to my childhood years.
And I definitely noticed you were speaking of A version.
Avraham Kofman.


From pyz at panix.com  Tue Dec  5 20:14:03 1995
From: pyz at panix.com (Max Pyziur)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 15:14:03 -0500
Subject: BuBaBu
Message-ID: <TUE.5.DEC.1995.151403.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Greetings.

Would anyone have much info or know of sources on this school/genre/whatever
of Ukrainian poetry?

Thanks.

Max
pyz at panix.com


From 76703.2063 at compuserve.com  Wed Dec  6 02:07:27 1995
From: 76703.2063 at compuserve.com (Jerry Ervin)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 21:07:27 EST
Subject: Upcoming meetings/events and news
Message-ID: <TUE.5.DEC.1995.210727.EST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

The "News and Notes of the Profession" column for the Summer 1996 issue of the
_Modern Language Journal_ (v.80, n.2) will be prepared in late December, 1995.
If your organization has an upcoming meeting (up through 1999) that you would
like to see listed in the "Calendar" section of the column, and/or if your
organization has any items for the "Professional Announcements" section of the
column, your input is cordially invited.  You may check  current listings in the
most recent MLJ issue to appear (79,3; 79,4 should appear in a few weeks).
Corrections and additions are welcome at any time.

Email submissions are encouraged; hard mail submissions may be sent to:
        Jerry Ervin
        Associate Editor, Modern Language Journal
        785 Lauraland Drive So.
        Columbus, OH 43214-2433

Thank you,

--Jerry Ervin

PS:  My apologies to any who may receive this announcement more than once.


From keg at violet.berkeley.edu  Wed Dec  6 02:48:00 1995
From: keg at violet.berkeley.edu (Keith Goeringer)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 18:48:00 -0800
Subject: East-West Exchanges
Message-ID: <TUE.5.DEC.1995.184800.0800.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

SEELANGERs,

Thanks to all who wrote about this organization.  Several people wrote to
say that they had participated in this program, and gave varying opinions
on the program -- the consensus was, however, that Prof Mann was entirely
trustworthy, and that the problems the student wrote about were most likely
bureaucratic oversights.  It seems that the mailing address had changed,
and they had not yet contacted all interested parties.

All the information was forwarded to the student (including the updated
mailing address), and he asked me to express his thanks to all who helped.

Thanks again,
Keith

Keith Goeringer
UC Berkeley
Slavic Languages & Literatures
keg at violet.berkeley.edu


From ROBORR at acadvm1.uottawa.ca  Wed Dec  6 05:49:39 1995
From: ROBORR at acadvm1.uottawa.ca (robert orr)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 00:49:39 EST
Subject: Int'l Congress of Slavists
In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 27 Nov 1995 11:59:35 -0500 from
 <djbpitt+@pitt.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.1995.004939.EST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I have been following the discussion on the International Congress of
Slavists with great interest.  As a non-American, I suppose it's a wee
bit cheeky of me to comment, but I do have a simple suggestion:
Why does the Committee not simply issue a call for abstracts/papers (with
deadlines attached), have them refereed as for a journal, etc., etc, and then
simply accept the ones that stay the course?
    I have participated in two Congresses now (actually attended one of them!)
and both times I simply stayed the course.  What seems to have happened in
Canada on both occasions is that ten papers were to be accepted as Canadian
contributions - over twnety people declared their intention to submit, but
as deadlines came and went only seven or eight ended up actually being included
- the rest dropped out for various reasons.  Perhaps the same process could
be applied in the US?
   Just a thought


From mlb03 at cc.keele.ac.uk  Wed Dec  6 16:37:31 1995
From: mlb03 at cc.keele.ac.uk (S. Stubbs)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 11:37:31 EST
Subject: Essays in Poetics Journal
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.1995.113731.EST.>

   ESSAYS  IN  POETICS
The Journal of the British Neo-Formalist Circle
        Produced at
        KEELE UNIVERSITY
AUTUMN  1995        VOLUME 20


CONTENTS

                                                                        Page

1.      COMPOSITION AND THE CONSTRUCTIVE PRINCIPLE                       1
                Leon Burnett

2.      PUSHKIN'S GORODOK  : A TRANSLATOR'S
                REAPPRAISAL                                             21
                Michael Pursglove

3.      THE ETERNAL HUSBAND : DISCOURSE WITH A NOOSE                     46
                Malcolm Jones

4.      UTOPIA OR ANTI-UTOPIA? : ZAMYATIN'S WE                           60
                Sveta le Fleming

5.      SUBVERSION IN SOVIET LITERATURE                                  79
                Avril Pyman

6.      ON TRANSLATING ZINOVIEV                                         102
                Michael Kirkwood

7.      THE AUDEN-TICITY OF THE RUSSIAN AUDEN                           133
                Masha Karp

8.      RUTHERFORD VERSUS  PATER : CHRISTIANITY,
                POLITICS & HISTORY                                      152
                Charles Swann

9.      THE IMPORTANCE OF BEING EARNEST :
                A CARNIVALESQUE READING                                 170
                Ronald Knowles

10.     LITERARY TRADITION & PRACTICE IN RUSSIAN
                CULTURE: A Review Article                               182
                David Shepherd

11.     BEYOND METAFICTION: SELF-CONSCIOUSNESS
                IN SOVIET LITERATURE: A Review Article                  186
                Graham Roberts

12.     MEDIEVAL POETRY AND THE THEORY
                REVOLUTION: A Review Article                            194
                Gregory Roscow

13.     FROM METRE TO RHYTHMIC FORM:
                A Review Article                                        214
                Roger Pooley

        NEW DEVELOPMENTS IN RUSSIAN POETRY                              223
        Mariya Muravyova
        Introduced by Tatyana Bek
        and translated by Robert Reid

        NOTES AND QUERIES IN POETICS                                    230
                Igor Pilshchikov



NOTES

Essays in Poetics, the journal of the British Neo-Formalist Circle, is
published as a yearbook in September.  (From 1976-1994 it appeared
twice-yearly.)

As a yearbook, it may be purchased as a single volume or ordered on
subscription.  ISSN 0308-888X

The price from 1995 (Volume 20) onwards is:
        United Kingdom          #20.00 per volume (Pounds Sterling)
        Overseas                #25.00 per volume (Pounds Sterling)

Back issues are available at #10.00 (Pounds Sterling) per copy including post
 and packing.
All inquiries about subscriptions should be addressed to:
        The Editorial Secretary
        Essays in Poetics
        Department of Russian
        Keele University
        Staffordshire ST5 5BG, UK
        FAX (01782) 584238
        email: mlb03 at cc.keele.ac.uk

Contributions are invited on all subjects related to the fields of
Formalism, Structuralism, semiotics, modern literary theory and Russian and
other literatures.  Articles should not normally be longer than 10,000
words:  book reviews will also be considered for publication and should not
exceed 3,000 words.  All contributions should be submitted on IBM compatible
disk in wordperfect 5.1 or 6.0.  Leaflet on house style available on request
from the Editorial Secretary.

Contributions and other editorial communications should be sent to the
Editors at the editorial address.  The Editors take every care with MSS
submitted for consideration, but it is advisable for contributors to retain
a copy.  Authors of published articles receive ten off- prints of their
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The Editors accept no responsibility for the views expressed by individual
contributors, which in no way commit Essays in Poetics or the Neo-Formalist
Circle.  Articles are the copyright of the authors.


From jgkrupala at mail.utexas.edu  Thu Dec  7 01:11:17 1995
From: jgkrupala at mail.utexas.edu (Jennifer Greene-Krupala)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 19:11:17 -0600
Subject: email in Russian
Message-ID: <WED.6.DEC.1995.191117.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I am writing to reply to a request made a few days ago for information on
software that would enable users to send and receive email in Russian.  I
just received a notice in the mail from SmartLink Corporation that
advertised a new product called CP_TUNER 1.0 that sounds like it might fit
the bill.  It says it will code and decode messages so they can be sent and
received in cyrillic.  I have ordered products from this company in the
past, and so far I have been satisfied with them, so this might bear
looking into.  SmartLink Corporation can be reached at 1-800-256-4814 or by
email at CompuServe 75127.3401.

If anyone has this software already, let me know what you think of it.


From johns484 at maroon.tc.umn.edu  Thu Dec  7 14:18:30 1995
From: johns484 at maroon.tc.umn.edu (Marlene S Johnshoy)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 08:18:30 -0600
Subject: email in Russian
In-Reply-To: <v01530500aceb9cc12e5d@[128.83.251.7]>
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.1995.081830.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I haven't been watching too carefully, but I caught a reply to a request
for Email in Russian -

Here at the University of Minnesota we have been using the free version
of Eudora for everything from Spanish and French to Russian, Japanese and
Chinese.  The only problem would be that the person at the other end
would need to be using Eudora and obviously the same keyboard layout...

Tulane has WWW links and instructions to download Eudora for Mac and IBM:
http://www.tulane.edu/NetworkSoft.html

Marlene


From FLYNN at hcacad.holycross.edu  Thu Dec  7 19:11:56 1995
From: FLYNN at hcacad.holycross.edu (FLYNN at hcacad.holycross.edu)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 14:11:56 EST
Subject: upcoming meeting
Message-ID: <THU.7.DEC.1995.141156.EST.>

For news and notes of profession: Annual meeting of New England Slavic
Association will be held 19-20 April 1996 at College of the Holy Cross,
Worcester, MA. Proposals for complete sessions prefered, but very effort
will be made to accommodate individual papers. Contact: James T. Flynn,
College of the Holy Cross, Worcester, MA 01610; 508 793 3449; fax 508
793 3030; flynn at hcacad.holycross.edu.


From ayates at lingua.cltr.uq.oz.au  Thu Dec  7 22:09:39 1995
From: ayates at lingua.cltr.uq.oz.au (Athol Yates)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 08:09:39 +1000
Subject: re Charles A Ward (fwd)
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.1995.080939.1000.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Greetings,
Does anyone know Charles A Ward current address. He was the
Assistant Professor of Slavic Languages at the University of
Wisconsin-Milwaukee in 1980.
Please reply directly to me at ayates at lingua.cltr.uq.oz.au
Thanks Athol Yates

PS What is the new address of the seelangs listserv as the old address at
seelangs at cunyvm.cuny.edu no longer seems to be alive?


From ROBORR at acadvm1.uottawa.ca  Fri Dec  8 11:18:11 1995
From: ROBORR at acadvm1.uottawa.ca (robert orr)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 06:18:11 EST
Subject: aatseel
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.1995.061811.EST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Dear Seelangers,
                I will be travelling to Chicago for AATSEEL.  I relaise that th
is is rather short notice, but is there anyone who would like to share a room?
                Thanks in advance, Robert Orr


From gfowler at indiana.edu  Fri Dec  8 19:16:50 1995
From: gfowler at indiana.edu (George Fowler)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 14:16:50 -0500
Subject: FYI: Tolstoy Library Online
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.1995.141650.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Greetings!
     Some of you will be interested to visit the Tolstoy Library Online
home page. The URL is

http://home.aol.com/Tolstoy28

>>From there you go to a page with a variety of downloadable texts by and
about Tolstoy. They're in English, unfortunately for many of us, but that's
useful too. The texts are self-extracing zipped archives; there are laconic
instructions for PC users. On the Mac side, Stuff-It Expander doesn't know
what to do with these files (although it handles non-self-expanding zipped
archives just fine), but I successfully unzipped them with Zip-It 1.3.4, a
useful utility that you can get at the major shareware sites. The one I
tried was "The Kreutzer Sonata"; it turned into a nice-looking text version
of the Louise and Aylmer Maude translation. (I have no idea if that is the
"best" English version.)
     For those of you who want Tolstoy in English, don't forget that you
can pick up the Constance Garnet translations of War and Peace and Anna
Karenina in plain text format by anonymous ftp at:

ftp://infomeister.osc.edu/pub/central_eastern_europe/russian/corpora

     I will paste in below the text of the library's downloading page.
     George Fowler

Tolstoy Library

Tolstoy28 at aol.com

The Tolstoy Library is dedicated to the collection and dissemination of
electronic texts related to the life and work of Lev Nikolayevich Tolstoy.

All files are self-extracting zipped files. Once you have downloaded the
file, just type the file name (for example, family for the Family Happiness
file), and it will expand itself. The following works are available for
downloading:

       Family Happiness, by Lev Tolstoy

       The Tragedy of Tolstoy, by Aleksandra Tolstaya

       Hadji Murad, by Lev Tolstoy

       Lev Tolstoy: His Life and Work, by Pavel Biryukov

       Reminiscences of Lev Nikolayevich Tolstoy, by Maxim Gorky

       Miscellaneous 01

       Confession by Lev Tolstoy

       Kreutzer Sonata by Lev Tolstoy

       Information on the Tolstoy Society


To be placed on the mailing list for announcements of new titles available
for downloading, send an email message with the word SUBSCRIBE in the
Subject line to: Tolstoy28 at aol.com.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
George Fowler                    [Email]  gfowler at indiana.edu
Dept. of Slavic Languages        [Home]   1-317-726-1482  **Try here first**
Ballantine 502                   [Dept]   1-812-855-9906/-2624/-2608
Indiana University               [Office] 1-812-855-2829
Bloomington, IN  47405  USA      [Fax]    1-812-855-2107
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


From goscilo+ at pitt.edu  Sat Dec  9 00:40:22 1995
From: goscilo+ at pitt.edu (Helena Goscilo)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 19:40:22 -0500
Subject: FYI: Tolstoy Library Online
In-Reply-To: <v01540502acee3cf11e2e@[134.68.249.45]>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.DEC.1995.194022.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Tolstoy would turn over in his grave to know that anyone was unzipping him,
and esp. his _Kreutzer Sonata_.  It couldn't happen to a more deserving man.
Thanks for the jolt of Yuletide joy! Helena Goscilo


From ytsuji at cfi.waseda.ac.jp  Sat Dec  9 00:57:30 1995
From: ytsuji at cfi.waseda.ac.jp (Dr Yoshimasa Tsuji)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 09:57:30 +0900
Subject: FYI: Tolstoy Library Online
In-Reply-To: <v01540502acee3cf11e2e@[134.68.249.45]> (message from George
 Fowler on Fri, 8 Dec 1995 14:16:50 -0500)
Message-ID: <SAT.9.DEC.1995.095730.0900.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I simply wonder how they protect the right of translators of L.N.Tosltoy
and the editors of electronic version. Have translators and editors
donated their work to public domain?

Tsuji

P.S.
At least a couple of Americans have published English translations of
Japanese medeaval novels without the consent of the original translators
who had worked on them for tens of years and asked the Americans
for language aid at the final stage. Those Japanese should have taken them
to court, I think. What's the law in the States?


From AHRJJ at CUNYVM.BITNET  Sat Dec  9 16:01:14 1995
From: AHRJJ at CUNYVM.BITNET (Alex Rudd)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 11:01:14 EST
Subject: SEELANGS is alive (Re: re Charles A Ward (fwd))
In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 8 Dec 1995 08:09:39 +1000 from
 <ayates@lingua.cltr.uq.oz.au>
Message-ID: <SAT.9.DEC.1995.110114.EST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

On Fri, 8 Dec 1995 08:09:39 +1000 Athol Yates said:
>PS What is the new address of the seelangs listserv as the old address at
>seelangs at cunyvm.cuny.edu no longer seems to be alive?

No longer alive?  News to me... :)  In fact, if it was dead, why
did you send your question there (where it was successfully
distributed to the list)?

(The above is posted to SEELANGS, and not sent only directly to
Mr. Yates, to dispel any rumors which may arise as a result of
his question.)

As always, any questions related to the SEELANGS list and LISTSERV
and its commands may be sent directly to me at the address below.

Thanks.

- Alex Rudd, list owner of SEELANGS
  seelangs-request at cunyvm.cuny.edu


From AHRJJ at CUNYVM.BITNET  Sat Dec  9 16:24:43 1995
From: AHRJJ at CUNYVM.BITNET (Alex Rudd)
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 11:24:43 EST
Subject: SEELANGS Administrivia - Winter Break
Message-ID: <SAT.9.DEC.1995.112443.EST.>

Dear SEELangers,

It's getting very near the time when many subscribers to this list
leave town, for the winter or for good.  If you plan to be away from
your account for a protracted period of time, you may not want to
return to dozens of listserv mail messages in your mailbox.  If this
applies to you, read on for some things you can do (NOTE: you may wish
to print this out for future reference):

Below I list a few commands.  When sending those commands, send e-mail
to:

LISTSERV at CUNYVM  (Bitnet)  or   LISTSERV at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU  (Internet)

Include the command in the body of the mail (LISTSERV ignores everything
in the Subject: field).

-    If you're graduating, losing the account you're currently
     using, or otherwise giving up on this list, send the
     following command before you go:

SIGNOFF SEELANGS

     If you're subscribed to other listserv lists, you can leave
     all of them in one fell swoop by sending the following
     command:

SIGNOFF * (NETWIDE

     (note the "(" before the word NETWIDE)

-    If you're planning to be away for awhile, whether for a
     couple of weeks or for the entire winter, you may want to
     stop receiving posts from this list yet remain subscribed to
     it.  To do this, send the following command before you go:

SET SEELANGS NOMAIL

     If you SET SEELANGS NOMAIL before you left, you want to send
     the following command when you return:

SET SEELANGS MAIL

     This will tell the listserv that you wish to resume normal
     use of the list, and you will be sent copies of messages
     sent to the list as they are posted.  (NOTE: If you're
     currently set to DIGEST or INDEX and you set NOMAIL, sending
     the SET SEELANGS MAIL command will return you to DIGEST or
     INDEX.)

     This list is archived on the LISTSERV on a monthly basis.
     When you return, you can catch up on what you missed by
     using the GET command to get a month's worth of postings
     (all together in a single mailing).  For example:

GET SEELANGS LOG9512 F=MAIL

     If you sent that command (at some point after Dec. 31), the
     LISTSERV would send you all the posts to the list which
     appeared in December 1995 (hence the LOG9512).  Keep in mind,
     though, that such a file will be very long and some gateways
     will reject it for that very reason.  It probably makes more
     sense to search the archives selectively for the time period
     you were away.  Send the command GET SEELANGS SEARCH or
     INFO DATABASE for more information on searching the archives.

As always, if you have any questions regarding LISTSERV, please
send them directly to me at the address below, not to SEELANGS.
If I feel the answer may be of benefit to the entire list
membership, I may reply on the list.

Apologies to those subscribers living on the "other" side of the
equator.  Just do a personal "search and replace" on the above
message, replacing "winter" with "summer."  :)

Happy holidays to all...

- Alex Rudd, list owner of SEELANGS
  seelangs-request at cunyvm.cuny.edu


From gfowler at indiana.edu  Mon Dec 11 16:02:54 1995
From: gfowler at indiana.edu (George Fowler)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 11:02:54 -0500
Subject: Info needed in upcoming events in Slavic linguistics
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.1995.110254.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Greetings, all!
     For inclusion in the Calendar of upcoming events in the AATSEEL Slavic
linguistics abstract book, I would greatly appreciate any information on
upcoming events. I know of only two directly related events in 1996: FASL
5, to be held in Indiana in mid-May, and the Balkan & S. Slavic conference
in Chicago at the beginning of May. The European FASL (called FDSL) is due
to be held near Berlin, but I do not have details. I welcome other calls
for papers or even incomplete information with a contact address. But
HURRY! The abstract book goes to the printers this week.
     George

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
George Fowler                    [Email]  gfowler at indiana.edu
Dept. of Slavic Languages        [Home]   1-317-726-1482  **Try here first**
Ballantine 502                   [Dept]   1-812-855-9906/-2624/-2608
Indiana University               [Office] 1-812-855-2829
Bloomington, IN  47405  USA      [Fax]    1-812-855-2107
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


From BILLINGS at PUCC.BITNET  Mon Dec 11 21:57:34 1995
From: BILLINGS at PUCC.BITNET (Loren A. Billings)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 16:57:34 EST
Subject: Transit info:  O'Hare (or Midway) to Palmer House Hilton
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.1995.165734.EST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I (and, I'm sure, others), would appreciate info on how to get from O'Hare
Airport to the AATSEEL-conference hotel.  Inexpensively, that is.

I know that there's a train called CTA (Chicago-to-Airport) that runs into
downtown Chicago.  Could someone else give convenient directions onwards to
the Palmer Place Hilton?

You might as well write back to the list, since this is of some general
interest (to those of us without bottomless expense accounts).

Best,  --Loren BIllings (billings at mailer.fsu.edu)


From BILLINGS at PUCC.BITNET  Mon Dec 11 22:02:04 1995
From: BILLINGS at PUCC.BITNET (Loren A. Billings)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 17:02:04 EST
Subject: Translation-course materials
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.1995.170204.EST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Dear colleagues:

I'll be teaching a Russian-to-English translation class to third-year
students.  I'd like ideas of materials, etc.--including fun WWW sites--to
have them look at.

I am aware of one somewhat specialized book _Political Russian_, by
Natasha Simes and Richard Robin, published by Kendall Hunt.  (As a student
in ca. 1989 I used proofs of that book; I haven't seen the final version
yet, however.)

I'd appreciate any other info you all might be able to offer.  Write to me
(billings at mailer.fsu.edu) and I'll post a summary.  --Loren Billings


From d-powelstock at uchicago.edu  Mon Dec 11 22:20:56 1995
From: d-powelstock at uchicago.edu (David Powelstock)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 16:20:56 -0600
Subject: Transit info:  O'Hare (or Midway) to Palmer House Hilton
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.1995.162056.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Well, as a Chicago guy, I should field this one:

It couldn't be easier.  Take the blue line of the CTA (also called the El)
into Downtown (also called the Loop) from O'Hare.  (It costs $1.50.  It
departs from the basement level of O'Hare, roundabout the Continental
terminal.  There are signs.)  Get off at the Monroe and Dearborn station.
(About 40 minutes.)  Walk 1 block east on Monroe to State.  You'll see the
hotel on the corner on the far side of State.  The main entrance is on
Monroe, just past State.  The address is 17 E. Monroe.  Can't wait to see
everyone there!

Best,
David

At 04:57 PM 12/11/95 EST, you wrote:
>I (and, I'm sure, others), would appreciate info on how to get from O'Hare
>Airport to the AATSEEL-conference hotel.  Inexpensively, that is.
>
>I know that there's a train called CTA (Chicago-to-Airport) that runs into
>downtown Chicago.  Could someone else give convenient directions onwards to
>the Palmer Place Hilton?
>
>You might as well write back to the list, since this is of some general
>interest (to those of us without bottomless expense accounts).
>
>Best,  --Loren BIllings (billings at mailer.fsu.edu)
>
>
*************************************************************************
*       David Powelstock                (O)     312- 702-0035           *
*       Assistant Professor             (Dpt)   312-702-8033 (msg)      *
*       Slavic Langs. & Lits.           (H)     312-324-5842 (msg)      *
*       University of Chicago           d-powelstock at uchicago.edu       *
*       1130 E. 59th Street                                             *
*       Chicago, IL  60637                                              *
*************************************************************************


From gjgaats at ARIZVMS.BITNET  Mon Dec 11 23:24:20 1995
From: gjgaats at ARIZVMS.BITNET (George Gutsche)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 15:24:20 -0800
Subject: Transit info:  O'Hare (or Midway) to Palmer House Hilton
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.1995.152420.0800.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

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Sent:   Monday, December 11, 1995 8:57 AM
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Subject:        Transit info:  O'Hare (or Midway) to Palmer House Hilton

I (and, I'm sure, others), would appreciate info on how to get from =
O'Hare
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I know that there's a train called CTA (Chicago-to-Airport) that runs =
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You might as well write back to the list, since this is of some general
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Best,  --Loren BIllings (billings at mailer.fsu.edu)

I will be sending out connection information when I acknowledge =
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AATSEEL



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From emillan at cd.com  Mon Dec 11 22:49:20 1995
From: emillan at cd.com (Emilio Millan)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 16:49:20 -0600
Subject: Translation-course materials
In-Reply-To: <SEELANGS%95121117072916@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> from "Loren A.
 Billings" at Dec 11, 95 05:02:04 pm
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.1995.164920.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Loren A. Billings wrote:
> I'll be teaching a Russian-to-English translation class to third-year
> students.  I'd like ideas of materials, etc.--including fun WWW sites--to
> have them look at.

A book I like very much is _From Russian into English: an introduction
to simultaneous interpretation_ by Lynn Visson (Ardis).  It too has a
political bent and, as the title implies, is more about interpretation
than translation, but it might be a some value for your course anyway.

Two interesting, unorthodox dictionaries for technical translators are
Isidore Geld's _Dictionary of omissions for Russian translators_
(about which I have mixed feelings--I think Geld omits too much) and
Mikhail Zimmerman's _Russian-English translator's dictionary: a guide
to scientific and technical usage_.

Hope this helps!

                                              Emilio

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From herber at dcdrjh.fnal.gov  Mon Dec 11 22:35:36 1995
From: herber at dcdrjh.fnal.gov (Randolph J. Herber)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 16:35:36 -0600
Subject: Transit info:  O'Hare (or Midway) to Palmer House Hilton
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.1995.163536.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

The following header lines retained to affect attribution:
|Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 16:57:34 -0500 (EST)
|From: "Loren A. Billings" <BILLINGS at PUCC.BITNET>
|Subject: Transit info:  O'Hare (or Midway) to Palmer House Hilton

|I (and, I'm sure, others), would appreciate info on how to get from O'Hare
|Airport to the AATSEEL-conference hotel.  Inexpensively, that is.

|I know that there's a train called CTA (Chicago-to-Airport) that runs into
|downtown Chicago.  Could someone else give convenient directions onwards to
|the Palmer Place Hilton?

The telephone number for Chicago Transit Authority information is:
+1 312 836 7000.  The rapid transit from O'Hare Airport to the Chicago
central business district (also known as The Loop (for the rapid transit
loop that encloses it)) is a 7 day a week, 24 hours a day operation with
varying train frequency depending on expected demand.  The fare is $1.50
the last I checked.

I called the CTA information to verify the stop and distance to the hotel.

For your proposed trip, take the O'Hare train from the basement of the
parking garage (anyone on the airport staff ought to be able to direct
you to it)(it is convenient to the baggage areas of the domestic airlines).
Ride to the Monroe/Dearborn stop.  Go up to the street level.  Walk about
one-half block east.  You should be at the Palmer House.

This route is a fixed fare for licensed taxi-cabs and is about $25.00.

There are also shuttle buses that will drop you at the hotels that cost
about $10.00.

|You might as well write back to the list, since this is of some general
|interest (to those of us without bottomless expense accounts).

|Best,  --Loren BIllings (billings at mailer.fsu.edu)

Randolph J. Herber, herber at dcdrjh.fnal.gov, +1 708 840 2966, CD/HQ CDF-PK-149O
(Speaking for myself and not for US, US DOE, FNAL nor URA.)
(Product, trade, or service marks herein belong to their respective owners.)
N 41.84079 W 88.24860 approximately.


From d-powelstock at UCHICAGO.EDU  Tue Dec 12 00:34:57 1995
From: d-powelstock at UCHICAGO.EDU (David Powelstock)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 18:34:57 -0600
Subject: Transit info: O'Hare (or Midway) to Palmer House Hilton
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.1995.183457.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Dear John,

I'm sending my answer to your query to the list, for obvious reasons.  If
you are flying into MIDWAY AIRPORT, instead of O'Hare, you will take the
ORANGE line of the CTA (El) into the Loop.    The Orange line comes into the
Loop, then makes a clockwise circle.  You should get off at Madison/Wabash
station, 3/4 of the way around the Loop.  From here, you will walk one block
south to Monroe, then 1/2 block west to the Palmer House at 17 E. Monroe.
VERY IMPORTANT: The Madison/Wabash station is closed on Sundays, so if
you're leaving on Sunday, you'll have to use the Adams/Wabash station, which
is 1/2 block east and one block south of the hotel. The El stop at Midway
involves a long walk across a kind of bridge from the airport to the
station.  You'll have no trouble finding this.  Midway is very small.  Just
ask anyone.  I believe there are signs, as well.

Best,
David

At 05:41 PM 12/11/95 -0500, you wrote:
>
>David,
>
>Do I understand correctly that one can catch the blue line from
>Midway as well into the hotel? Is the El stop as clearly marked
>at Midway as at O'Hare?
>
>Thanks!
>
>___________________________________________________________________________
>John D. Kachur                                 internet: jdkst12+ at pitt.edu
>Dept. of Slavic Languages and Literatures      business: 412-624-5906
>Univ. of Pittsburgh, 1417 CL                   fax:      412-624-9714
>Pittsburgh, PA 15260                           home:     412-362-0979
>
>
>
>
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From billings at mailer.fsu.edu  Tue Dec 12 03:23:31 1995
From: billings at mailer.fsu.edu (Loren Billings)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 21:23:31 -0600
Subject: Translation-course materials
Message-ID: <MON.11.DEC.1995.212331.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Emilio:  Thanks much.  I'll look into all three of these.  --Loren

Loren A. Billings
Department of Modern Languages and Linguistics
Florida State University
362 Diffenbaugh Building
Tallahassee, FL 32302-1020

Office Fax:    (904)644-0524
Office phone:  (904)644-8391
Home phone:    (904)224-5392

billings at mailer.fsu.edu


From frumkes at u.washington.edu  Tue Dec 12 18:30:39 1995
From: frumkes at u.washington.edu (Lisa Frumkes)
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 10:30:39 -0800
Subject: Study Abroad Programs
Message-ID: <TUE.12.DEC.1995.103039.0800.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I wanted to let you know of the existence of Youth For Understanding
(YFU), an organization which organizes student exchanges.  This is a
program primarily for high school students and younger college students.
I mention its existence here because of the exchanges YFU now has with the
Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Poland, Russia, Slovakia, and
Ukraine.  Some programs are of short duration--a month or a summer--while
others are longer, lasting a semester or year.  YFU has been around for
more than forty years, so they're pretty reliable.

You can reach YFU at the following telephone number:

1-800-TEENAGE

They also have a web site:

http://www.yfu.org/

Even those who are unable to be exchange students themselves, for whatever
the reason (financial difficulty, worry about leaving home for an extended
period of time, or just being too old, like most of us here) have another
way to learn directly about another culture.  That way is by hosting an
exchange student in the home. This option is not appropriate for all
families, but for many students (and parents, teachers, and schools), the
hosting experience is greatly educational and satisfying.

I hope this doesn't sound too much like an advertisement--it is intended
to be informational, not commercial.  There are many worthwhile
organizations facilitating exchange experiences today; I just happen to
volunteer for one of them.  And I believe wholeheartedly in the exchange
experience, so feel free to contact me for more information.

Lisa Frumkes
Doctoral Candidate
Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures
University of Washington

(YFU Alumna, Belgium, 1984-85; YFU volunteer since 1985)


From psekirin at epas.utoronto.ca  Wed Dec 13 17:07:27 1995
From: psekirin at epas.utoronto.ca (peter sekirin)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 12:07:27 EST
Subject: letter
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.1995.120727.EST.>

Dear SEELangers,

I am completeing a monograph "The Dostoevsky Archives" forthcoming in
1996 in one of the publishing houses in the United States. The Russian
contributor to this monograph is Igor Volgin, a leading Dostoevsky
scholar from Moscow, the author of three volumes on Dostoevsky.
He has completed his 30-pages article for me, but we have
difficulties in sending it to North America.

Do you know anyone among our colleagues who is in Russia
(or is going to Russia)  and who could pick up
this article for me and bring Mr.Volgin's maniscript to North America?
Please reply directly to my address below.

Peter Sekirin, Slavic Department, University of Toronto, Toronto M5S1A1
"psekirin at epas.utoronto.ca"


From BILLINGS at PUCC.BITNET  Thu Dec 14 04:19:31 1995
From: BILLINGS at PUCC.BITNET (Loren A. Billings)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 23:19:31 EST
Subject: Ukrainian impersonals and negation
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.1995.231931.EST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Dear colleagues:

Me again.  I can't seem to find any discussion in the literature, so I ask
you out there.

It's been documented that the GEN of negation in Ukrainian (and Russian) is
on the wane.  I suspect that this especially the case with Ukrainian
impersonals in which the predicate ends in -no or -to.  Wieczorek's recent
(1994) book discusses this a little.  That is, are sentences like

     Tserkvy ne zbudovano.  'Church-GEN not built.'

acceptable in modern Ukrainian.  Are they giving way to sentences like the
following one?

     Tserkvu ne zbudovano.  'Church-ACC ...'

Thanks in advance for replies.  --Loren (billings at mailer.fsu.edu)


From BILLINGS at PUCC.BITNET  Thu Dec 14 04:32:49 1995
From: BILLINGS at PUCC.BITNET (Loren A. Billings)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 23:32:49 EST
Subject: What is -met'-, -mut'- verbal suffix in Ukrainian?
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.1995.233249.EST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Dear colleagues,

Another problem I can't seem to answer by ordinary research:  What do verbal
forms suffixed by -met' or -mut' (in Ukrainian) mean?  For example:

ponovliatymut'  buduvatymet'sia

Thanks again for your patience,  --Loren (billings at mailer.fsu.edu)


From FELDSTEI at ucs.indiana.edu  Wed Dec 13 23:53:00 1995
From: FELDSTEI at ucs.indiana.edu (RONALD F. FELDSTEIN (812)-855-2608/339-7452)
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 23:53:00 EWT
Subject: What is -met'-, -mut'- verbal suffix in Ukrainian?
Message-ID: <WED.13.DEC.1995.235300.EWT.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Future.


From billings at mailer.fsu.edu  Thu Dec 14 07:08:15 1995
From: billings at mailer.fsu.edu (Loren Billings)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 01:08:15 -0600
Subject: What is -met'-, -mut'- verbal suffix in Ukrainian?
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.1995.010815.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

>Future.

Ron,

Is it actually that simple?  I spent quite a while with Shevelov trying to
figure this out.  Thanks a lot.  See you in Chicago (preferrably at an
interview!).  --LAB

Loren A. Billings
Department of Modern Languages and Linguistics
Florida State University
362 Diffenbaugh Building
Tallahassee, FL 32302-1020

Office Fax:    (904)644-0524
Office phone:  (904)644-8391
Home phone:    (904)224-5392

billings at mailer.fsu.edu


From MLLEMILY at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu  Thu Dec 14 15:29:32 1995
From: MLLEMILY at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (Emily Tall)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 10:29:32 -0500
Subject: "heritage speakers"
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.1995.102932.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Have any of you heard of this new term for children of native speakers,
who are good in aural comprehension and everyday speech but need work in
,say, grammar and, probably, vocabulary development? It seems to me that
now that enrollments are dropping, it behooves us to try to retain such
students, if possible. To do that (without having a special course for
them, which is, of course, the best option) I think we need some special
set of materials. It doesn't have to be massive, just guidelines as to
what difficulties such students have and how they could profit from
being in a class with "regular" students. Could AATSEEL coordinate
such an effort? Any responses or ideas out there? Emily Tall
SUNY/Buffalo  mllemily at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu


From rdelossa at HUSC.BITNET  Thu Dec 14 15:53:47 1995
From: rdelossa at HUSC.BITNET (Robert De Lossa)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 10:53:47 -0500
Subject: What is -met'-, -mut'- verbal suffix in Ukrainian?
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.1995.105347.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

The suffix is -m-, with present tense endings, and signifies future
imperfective (concurrent with use of buty, as in Russian). Thus,
ponovliatymut' _or_ budut' ponovliaty are acceptable. There are regional
differences in frequency of usage.

With regard to your question on genitive use (and also with -no/-to
phrases), my immediate impression that it depends on region, education,
and, especially, generation. I will ask the native speakers around here and
get back to you. Also, you should be aware of the ukes.news listserve
moderated by Andrew Ukrainec'. You will reach a large number of Ukrainian
studies professionals and scholars there. If you are interested in
subscribing, contact me directly.

Good luck, Rob De Lossa, HURI

At 11:32 PM 12/13/95, Loren A. Billings wrote:
>Dear colleagues,
>
>Another problem I can't seem to answer by ordinary research:  What do verbal
>forms suffixed by -met' or -mut' (in Ukrainian) mean?  For example:
>
>ponovliatymut'  buduvatymet'sia
>
>Thanks again for your patience,  --Loren (billings at mailer.fsu.edu)

Over the Wire and through the SIMMS...
Robert De Lossa
Managing Editor, Harvard Series/Papers in Ukrainian Studies
Publications Office
Ukrainian Research Institute
Harvard University
1583 Massachusetts Ave.
Cambridge, MA 02138 USA
617-496-8768 tel. 617-495-8097 fax.
"rdelossa at fas.harvard.edu"


From FESZCZAK at EMAIL.CHOP.EDU  Thu Dec 14 16:11:04 1995
From: FESZCZAK at EMAIL.CHOP.EDU (Zenon M. Feszczak)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:11:04 -0500
Subject: Ukrainian impersonals and negation -Reply
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.1995.111104.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

>>>>>>>>>>
Dear colleagues:

Me again.  I can't seem to find any discussion in the literature, so I ask you
 out there.

It's been documented that the GEN of negation in Ukrainian (and Russian) is on
 the wane.  I suspect that this especially the case with Ukrainian impersonals
 in which the predicate ends in -no or -to.  Wieczorek's recent
(1994) book discusses this a little.  That is, are sentences like

     Tserkvy ne zbudovano.  'Church-GEN not built.'

acceptable in modern Ukrainian.  Are they giving way to sentences like the
 following one?

     Tserkvu ne zbudovano.  'Church-ACC ...'

Thanks in advance for replies.  --Loren (billings at mailer.fsu.edu)

<<<<<<<<<<

Hello -
I'm not sure whether you wanted a private response to this,
but since this is an interesting issue (hopefully) to
other readers, I'll respond to the list.

Yes, the first form (genitive case = rodyvyj vidminok,
for the genitive of negation) is the more correct form
according to the strict rules of grammar.  However, the
second looser form is certainly acceptable, and heard in
conversation.

However, in a more direct negative grammatical
construction, it's still more proper to use the
genitive of negation:

My buduvaly tserkvu (accusative)
My ne buduvaly tserkvy (genitive of negation)

Any ideas as to the origins of the genitive of negation?
I would assume it's a form of redundancy to emphasize
the negative content of the sentence, that is, to more
clearly differentiate from the positive form.

Zenon M. Feszczak
Slavophile
University of Pennsylvania


From FESZCZAK at EMAIL.CHOP.EDU  Thu Dec 14 16:21:34 1995
From: FESZCZAK at EMAIL.CHOP.EDU (Zenon M. Feszczak)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:21:34 -0500
Subject: What is -met'-, -mut'- verbal suffix in Ukrainian? -Reply
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.1995.112134.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

>>>>>>>>>>
Dear colleagues,

Another problem I can't seem to answer by ordinary research:  What do verbal
 forms suffixed by -met' or -mut' (in Ukrainian) mean?  For example:

ponovliatymut'  buduvatymet'sia

Thanks again for your patience,  --Loren (billings at mailer.fsu.edu)

<<<<<<<<<<

Hello again -

The verb form to which you refer is another way of
expressing the future imperfect.

In meaning, this is equivalent to using the other form,
"buty" (to be) + infinitive.

The buty+infinitive form is more common, especially among
bilingual Russian/Ukrainian speakers, as this form unites
the languages, while the other future form gives a very
distinct Ukrainian flavor to one's speech.   Which
is not to say a provincial flavor, but some may consider
it so.    At any rate, the infinitive form is more widely
used, though any fluent Ukrainian speaker will understand
both.

Note that the infinitive form also gives one more
flexibility of sentence structure (and hence nuance and
emphasis) since the "futureness" (a new word?) and the
_content_  of the action are contained in two separate
words, which could be placed together or stretched pages
apart in an endless sentence a la James Joyce.
(Examples of this technique ommitted for the sake of
bandwidth and the ecosystem).

Vs'oho najkrashchoho -

Zenon M. Feszczak
Re-Visionist


From lonhyn at tiw.com  Thu Dec 14 16:56:04 1995
From: lonhyn at tiw.com (Lonhyn Jasinskyj)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 08:56:04 PST
Subject: What is -met'-, -mut'- verbal suffix in Ukrainian? -Reply
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:21:34 PST."
 <s0d00db6.004@EMAIL.CHOP.EDU>
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.1995.085604.PST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

>Another problem I can't seem to answer by ordinary research:  What do verbal
> forms suffixed by -met' or -mut' (in Ukrainian) mean?  For example:
>
>ponovliatymut'  buduvatymet'sia
>
>Thanks again for your patience,  --Loren (billings at mailer.fsu.edu)
>

Loren,

In Ukrainian this is an alternate way to form the future of
imperfect(ive ?)  (nedokonanyj vyd) verbs. This is formed by taking
the infinitive and adding the last part of the personal forms of the
ancient (no longer used as a word on its own) verb 'jaty' (which
declines as follows: ymu [1st, sing], ymesh [2nd sing], etc.)  thus
the endings become:

       sing              plural
1st    -mu                -memo (more rarely -mem)
2nd    -mesh              -mete
3rd    -me                -myt'


I was led to believe that the use of this form of the future is on the
rise in Ukraine. I have no data whatsoever to support such a claim, however.

Hope this helps,
Lonhyn


From brifkin at facstaff.wisc.edu  Thu Dec 14 19:59:11 1995
From: brifkin at facstaff.wisc.edu (Benjamin Rifkin)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 13:59:11 -0600
Subject: "heritage speakers"
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.1995.135911.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I've also heard "heritage speakers" referred to as "nativoids."  I think
that the problem is a real one and I have one suggestion to add to our
discussion.  The folks in Spanish have been dealing with this issue for
years and I think we could learn a lot from them by finding out what
strategies they've been using.  They also have been dealing with different
dialects, regional accents, etc. which are also relevant for our situation.

Ben Rifkin


**********************************
Benjamin Rifkin
Department of Slavic Languages & Literatures
University of Wisconsin-Madison
1432 Van Hise Hall, 1220 Linden Drive, Madison, WI  53706
(608) 262-1623; fax (608) 265-2814
e-mail:  brifkin at facstaff.wisc.edu


From KJ6306A at american.edu  Thu Dec 14 21:19:45 1995
From: KJ6306A at american.edu (Karen E. James)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 16:19:45 EST
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.1995.161945.EST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I am trying to find out when a short story by Sologub was written.  It is
called "V pleny" (In Bondage).  I haven't been able to find reference to it in
any short story indexes, nor have I been able to find a volume of his stories
containing this one.  If anyone knows when it was written or the volume it is
in, I would appreciate your help!

Please send replies to:
Karen James
kj6306a at american.edu

Thanks.
--Karen James


From mozdzier at gwis2.circ.gwu.edu  Fri Dec 15 00:09:21 1995
From: mozdzier at gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Barbara Mozdzierz)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 19:09:21 -0500
Subject: "heritage speakers"
In-Reply-To: <01HYSLO45U6Q8X4WY4@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.1995.190921.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Dear Emily,

Since one of my second year sections currently has four heritage speakers
in it, I started to develop ideas along the lines you mention in your
email: preparing separate materials, outlining a separate course for them
(maybe we will have such a course in the future -- accord. to recent and
current demographics Russ. heritage speakers are increasing).  Now, to
answer your question:  after refering to them among colleagues w/ the
pejorative term "nativoids", I tried to come up with a term of my own
(e.g. unschooled native speakers, pre-native speakers), before plunging
into the lit (mostly on Asian heritage speakers) and came across the term
"heritage speakers" which I find to be quite on the mark.  This term is
commonly used in L2-research w/ L2 being an Asian lang.

I am intrigued by your suggestion to ask AATSEEL to function as the
coordinator / sponsor of a group of enthusiasts willing to work on a
specialized course for heritage speakers.  I for one would be delighted
to devote more time to it.

I am curious to hear what our colleagues think.

Barbara Mozdzierz
Dept. of German & Slavic
George Washington U
2130 H Street, NW
Washington, DC 20052
tel. (202) 994-0930
fax (202) 994-0171
email mozdzier at gwis2.circ.gwu.edu

On Thu, 14 Dec 1995, Emily Tall wrote:

> Have any of you heard of this new term for children of native speakers,
> who are good in aural comprehension and everyday speech but need work in
> ,say, grammar and, probably, vocabulary development? It seems to me that
> now that enrollments are dropping, it behooves us to try to retain such
> students, if possible. To do that (without having a special course for
> them, which is, of course, the best option) I think we need some special
> set of materials. It doesn't have to be massive, just guidelines as to
> what difficulties such students have and how they could profit from
> being in a class with "regular" students. Could AATSEEL coordinate
> such an effort? Any responses or ideas out there? Emily Tall
> SUNY/Buffalo  mllemily at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
>


From lindafor at violet.berkeley.edu  Fri Dec 15 00:20:32 1995
From: lindafor at violet.berkeley.edu (Linda Formichelli)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 16:20:32 -0800
Subject: Thanks to Native Russian Speakers
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.1995.162032.0800.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Dear SEELANGers,

I would like to give a big spasibo to all those native Russian speakers who
responded to my questionnaire on -to and -nibud' and were so generous with
their time and knowledge. I now have enough responses for my research, and
I'm still receiving messages from people who want to help!

Thanks to:

Boris Iomdin <uc611ac at sunmail.lrz-muenchen.de>
Denis A Khotimsky <denis at cs.ucsb.edu>
Greg Gouzev <gouzegv at cat.com>
Gregory Levin <ulevig00 at mcl.ucsb.edu>
Igor Shoshitaishvili <sosh at ium.ips.ras.ru>
Irina E. Likhachova <iel0418 at mailer.fsu.edu>
JANE Y GLEZIN <ujane805 at mcl.ucsb.edu>
Larissa Zakletskaia <zakletsl at gusun.acc.georgetown.edu>
MARK L TSESELSKY <utsesm00 at mcl.ucsb.edu>
Matthias Schlesewsky <schlesel at rz.uni-potsdam.de>
Grigoriy Matveyev <matveyev at students.wisc.edu>
Michael Yadroff <myadroff at indiana.edu>
NATASHA P KOSTRIKIN <ukostn00 at mcl.ucsb.edu>
Olga Ogurtsova <ogurtsov at beloit.edu>
Oleg Radchenko <radtsch at uni-muenster.de>
Romanov Artemi <romanov at spot.Colorado.EDU>
Ruth Wallach <rwallach at charon.usc.edu>
Tania Avgustinova <tania at CoLi.Uni-SB.DE>
Trond Trosterud <trondt at siva.hsf.no>
Natalia Tronenko <tronenko at vax.ox.ac.uk>
Valeri Vassiliev <valeri at morgan.ucs.mun.ca>
Vera Kempe <VKEMPE at UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU>
Maria Cherny <maria at motiv.cogsci.msu.su>
Irina Sekerina <sai at cunyvms1.gc.cuny.edu>

I now have enough responses for my research.  Thanks again, SELANGERs, and
happy holidays!

Linda


From djbpitt+ at pitt.edu  Fri Dec 15 03:17:10 1995
From: djbpitt+ at pitt.edu (David J Birnbaum)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 22:17:10 -0500
Subject: "heritage speakers"
In-Reply-To: <Pine.3.89.9512141940.A6679-0100000@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.1995.221710.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

> ... after refering to them among colleagues w/ the
> pejorative term "nativoids" ...

Pejorative? I first heard this term from Katja Chvany, who used it to
describe her own Russian competence in the preface to her 1975 "On the
Syntax of BE-sentences in Russian": "My late parents, to whom this book is
dedicated, equipped me with the Russian language, and then helped bridge
the gap between nativoid and native competence ...." I did not perceive
anything pejorative in her terminology; I understood her to mean simply
"native-like in many respects, but nonetheless not native." Is this not
the meaning of -oid ("indicating likeness, resemblance, or similarity"
--American Heritage Dictionary)?

--David
==================================================
Professor David J. Birnbaum      djbpitt+ at pitt.edu
The Royal York Apartments, #802  http://www.pitt.edu/~djbpitt/
3955 Bigelow Boulevard           voice: 1-412-624-5712
Pittsburgh, PA  15213  USA       fax:   1-412-624-9714


From acannon at email.unc.edu  Fri Dec 15 04:58:30 1995
From: acannon at email.unc.edu (Angela Cannon)
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 23:58:30 -0500
Subject: Nova Hrvatska
Message-ID: <THU.14.DEC.1995.235830.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

To the multiple recipients of SEELANGS:

        Does anyone know anything about the organization/publisher
"Nova Hrvatska"? I know only that they published the 1972 Hrvatski Pravopis
in London. What kind of an organization is it and what else have they
published?  Please respond off the list to
        acannon at email.unc.edu

        Thank you,
        Angela Cannon
        UNC-Chapel Hill


From djbpitt+ at pitt.edu  Fri Dec 15 12:53:23 1995
From: djbpitt+ at pitt.edu (David J Birnbaum)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 07:53:23 -0500
Subject: Translations of the Holy Scriptures (fwd)
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.1995.075323.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

------- Forwarded Message Follows -------

Date sent:      Mon, 11 Dec 1995 17:36:32 +0000
To:             russian-studies at mailbase.ac.uk
From:           jad at lang.gla.ac.uk (John Dunn)
Send reply to:  jad at lang.gla.ac.uk (John Dunn)

I have recently received information on a conference entitled Russian
Versions and Translations of the Holy Scriptures, which is being organised
jointly by the Foreign Relations Department of the Moscow Patriarchate, the
Russian Academy of Sciences and the Russian Bible Society.  The conference
is due to take place in Moscow on 10-17 June next year.

The organisers want proposals for papers submitted by 15 January, though
they do give both a fax and an e-mail address.  The details are in Russian
and are too long to send via this list, but I shall be happy to send a copy
of what I have received to anyone interested.

John Dunn


From pyz at panix.com  Fri Dec 15 14:55:28 1995
From: pyz at panix.com (Max Pyziur)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 09:55:28 -0500
Subject: Infomeister-Ukraine -- New Software
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.1995.095528.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Greetings.

Some new software uploads to Infomeister - Ukrainian:

For the Mac people:

1)Kozak Entertainment
This is a shareware program created by Natalia and Dmytro Kovalov.
These are educational programs for children which teach reading of
Ukrainian using images and melodies from Ukrainian folklore and
popular culture.  From Lviv and currently living and studying in Tokyo,
Natalia and Dmytro offer these programs as a by-product of their efforts
to teach their children Ukrainian.  The Macintosh Ukrainian System is
necessary for this program.  Please note that the package is over 3
megabytes in size.

2) Transliterated/homophonic keyboards for Ukrainian using the
Apple Standard Cyrillic and KOI8 Cyrillic codings.
Three keyboard layouts (Kyiv, Lviv, and Poltava) in two different
codings makes for six (complicated mathematical thinking facilitated
this computation) new keyboard offerings from Zenon Feszczak.  Consult
Zenon's "Ukrainization of the Macintosh" page for the different layouts.
(http://www.osc.edu/ukraine_nonpubl/htmls/macukr.html


For the Windows (3.1) people:

1) Tranliterated/homophonic keyboards for Ukrainian to be used with
Winkey.
A set of three keyboards to be used each with KOI8, CP866, and
CP1251 Cyrillic codings.  These can be found in the zip file
winkbds.zip.


How to get there:
Via the web:
Your coordinates are:
http://www.osc.edu/ukraine.html
and if your computer taps its feet in KOI8 Cyrillic:
http://www.osc.edu/ukraina.html

Via ftp or gopher, the site is referenced by:
infomeister.osc.edu

via ftp the path is:
/pub/central_eastern_europe/ukrainian/software/mac
for the Mac people

or
/pub/central_eastern_europe/ukrainian/software/windows
for the Windows people

Credits:
Much thanks to Natalia and Dmytro Kovalov and Zenon Feszczak for their
contributions.

Thanks also to Jan Labanowski for maintaining and making available
the OSC-CEE server at the Ohio Supercomputer Center in Columbus Ohio.

Submissions, enhancements and corrections to the OSC-CEE-Ukrainian
server are greatly welcomed.  Any errors of commission or omission
are ultimately mine so if you find any please feel free to make my
life miserable.

More to come so stay tuned.

I am,

Max Pyziur
pyz at panix.com


From apollard at umich.edu  Fri Dec 15 18:21:28 1995
From: apollard at umich.edu (alan p. pollard)
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 13:21:28 -0500
Subject: Szathmary Hungarica Collection (fwd)
Message-ID: <FRI.15.DEC.1995.132128.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

In 1991, the University of Chicago Library received a gift of more than
15,000 volumes on the history and culture of the Hungarian people, donated
by Louis Szathmary, a noted Chicago bibliophile and restauranteur.  The
majority of materials are in the Hungarian language, including the
collected works of a wide variety of Hungarian writers of the 16th-20th
centuries.  In 1994, the University of Chicago Library was awarded a U. S.
Department of Education grant for the original cataloging of 3,038 unique
Hungarian titles with no reported United States library locations.
Through the use of OCLC's TECHPRO service, all 3,038 titles have now been
cataloged and their bibliographic records loaded into the OCLC and RLIN
national databases.  They are accessible through WorldCat and Eureka, as
well as through the University of Chicago's Online Catalog.  In the
upcoming months, a list of these 3,038 unique titles will be available at
the Slavic and East European home page of the University of Chicago
Library WWW site:

http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/LibInfo/SourcesBySubject/Slavic/

Please contact June Pachuta Farris (jpf3 at midway.uchicago.edu) if you have
any questions about the collection.
>
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
June Pachuta Farris                           jpf3 at midway.uchicago.edu
Bibliographer for Slavic                          (312)702-8456 (phone)
and East European Studies                         (312)702-6623   (fax)
Room 263, Regenstein Library
1100 East 57th Street
Chicago, Illinois  60637


From ayates at lingua.cltr.uq.oz.au  Fri Dec 15 22:33:26 1995
From: ayates at lingua.cltr.uq.oz.au (Athol Yates)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 08:33:26 +1000
Subject: Siberian BAM Railway Guidebook
Message-ID: <SAT.16.DEC.1995.083326.1000.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

**********************************************
    THE SIBERIAN BAM RAILWAY GUIDE IS OUT
**********************************************
Just out is the book, the Siberian BAM Railway Guide: The Second
Trans-Siberian Railway.

The 3,400km BAM Railway traverses Eastern Siberia from the Pacific Ocean
to Lake Baikal and runs parallel with the Trans-Siberian but is about
800km north of it. The BAM Railway was the Soviet's largest ever civil
engineering project and was started in the 1930s by Gulag prisoners as a
branch of the Trans-Siberian near Lake Baikal. Its entire length to the
Pacific Ocean was only completed in the late 1980s. The railway gets its
name from the initials Lake (B)aikal to (A)mur River (M)ainline railway.

The guide not only covers the main BAM railway but also provides in depth
coverage of the railways connecting the BAM with the Trans-Siberian and
the line towards Yakutsk.

The book's highlights include:
*  practical information, including planning your trip, buying tickets,
what to take, getting to the region
*  kilometre by kilometre guide to the railway
*  touring the northern end of Lake Baikal
*  insights into the daily lives of Siberians
*  visiting Stalin-era gulag camps
*  27 detailed city and village maps
*  57 photographs
*  major city coverage of Komsomolsk-na-Amure, Tynda, Bratsk, Sovetskaya
Gavan, Neryungri, Severobaikalsk.

While the book meets the needs of travellers, the main readership of the
book will be armchair travellers interested in quirky Soviet history and
current conditions in remote Siberia. The book contains dozens of short
informative articles about various aspects of the region's history and
people's daily life.

Articles include:
*  the Navy dentist whose every move to open a private clinic has been
thwarted by the Ministry of Health's monopoly, and he consequently
founded a small fishing empire,
*  how kerosene filled poles beside the railway work to keep the
permafrost ground frozen to stop it from swallowing up the railway,
*  the development of feudal capitalists in remote villages
*  a town with class rooms for 6,000 students but a population of only 15,000
*  well preserved Stalin-era gulag camps for uranium mining
*  the proposed use of atomic bombs in mining
*  the location of chemical weapon storage depots and American Lend Lease
bases from World War Two
*  a native edible plant guide
*  western intelligence efforts against the railway and Soviet counter
intelligence ploys
*  North Korean logging camps which are allegedly prison camps
*  the mystical Sun City to be built on the shores of Lake Baikal which
is designed according to Sacred Geometry Architecture, based on the
belief that cosmic energy concentrates in corners.

The book's author is Athol Yates who regularly visits Russia, Mongolia
and North Korea as a journalist, tour guide and researcher. He studied
Russian at Moscow's Patrice Lumumba and Melbourne Universities. He is
currently working on two new guidebooks, Russia by Rail, and the Siberian
Lena and Amur Rivers Guide. He can be contacted at
ayates at lingua.cltr.uq.oz.au or at bmccunn at werple.mira.net.au

The Siberian BAM Railway Guide: The Second Trans-Siberian Railway, ISBN
1-873756-06-2 is published by Trailblazer Publications, The Old Manse,
Tower Road, Hindhead, Surrey GU26 6SU, United Kingdom, fax: +44
01428-607571, price 12:95 pounds.

In Australia the book is distributed by Envirobook/Trekaway, 88
Cumberland St, Sydney NSW 200, tel: 247 6036, fax: 241 1289, and it costs
$34.95.

In USA, the book is distributed by Seven Hills Book, te: 513 381 3881.
End


From mlauner at garnet.acns.fsu.edu  Sat Dec 16 12:39:16 1995
From: mlauner at garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Michael K. Launer)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 07:39:16 -0500
Subject: Int'l Congress of Slavists
Message-ID: <SAT.16.DEC.1995.073916.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Regarding Intl Cong of Slavists.... It would be nice, for a change, if
participants were selected in some sort of blind refereeing process, as
opposed to the traditional practice of making sure friends of the
organizing committee members all managed to have an excuse for a get
together somewhere in Europe. Nothing personal, of course. It's just about
time we became more professional about all of this.


From rbeard at bucknell.edu  Sat Dec 16 14:17:52 1995
From: rbeard at bucknell.edu (Robert Beard)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 09:17:52 -0500
Subject: Siberian BAM Railway Guidebook
Message-ID: <SAT.16.DEC.1995.091752.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

     I for one resent the recent use of SEELANGS to publish a commercial
advertisement for Athol Yates' book on Siberian railroads.  All other lists
to which I'm a party is very careful to keep commercial advertising off
their lists and I think that SEELANGS would be well-advised to keep the door
closed, too.  There are thousands of companies out there just panting to
misuse academic InterNet for their purposes, just as they have newspapers
and the telephone.

     Announcements of books related to Russian-language teaching in anyway
are certainly in order.  Those of us who are interested may then contact the
publisher for commercial advertisements if we want them.  Advertisements
with bulleted features lists from the commercial publisher himmerself,
however, should not be. Indeed, there may in fact even be legal implications
in accepting this advertisement and rejecting others in the future.

     If this response makes it to the list, what say you all?


-------------------------------------------------------------
Robert Beard                              Bucknell University
Russian & Linguistics Programs            Lewisburg, PA 17837
rbeard at bucknell.edu                              717-524-1336
Russian Program   http://www.bucknell.edu/departments/russian
Morphology on Internet        http://www.bucknell.edu/~rbeard
-------------------------------------------------------------


From RLP96 at cnsvax.albany.edu  Sat Dec 16 16:42:26 1995
From: RLP96 at cnsvax.albany.edu (Rodney L. Patterson)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 11:42:26 -0500
Subject: Siberian BAM Railway Guidebook
Message-ID: <SAT.16.DEC.1995.114226.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I agree with Robert Beard:  SEELANGS shouldn't be misused
as an avenue for advertising books (with perhaps a few exceptions,O
e.g., short (without fanfare and promotional fireworks) announcemebnts
about new dictionaries, or guides on how to use the web better, etc.
Rod Patterson
SUNY Albany
rlp96 at cnsvax.albany.edu


From smpst32+ at pitt.edu  Sat Dec 16 17:12:24 1995
From: smpst32+ at pitt.edu (Susanna M Porte)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 12:12:24 -0500
Subject: Siberian BAM Railway Guidebook
In-Reply-To: <9512161417.AA19785@coral.bucknell.edu>
Message-ID: <SAT.16.DEC.1995.121224.0500.SMPST32@PITT.EDU>

I also agree with Robert Beard.  One of the nicest things about SEELANGS
is its non-commercial (for the most part) nature.

--Susanna Porte
(grad student, Univ. of Pittsburgh)


From ayates at lingua.cltr.uq.oz.au  Sat Dec 16 22:25:27 1995
From: ayates at lingua.cltr.uq.oz.au (Athol Yates)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 08:25:27 +1000
Subject: Siberian BAM Railway Guidebook
In-Reply-To: <9512161417.AA19785@coral.bucknell.edu>
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.1995.082527.1000.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Re Siberian Rail Guide
I strongly apologise if the recent posting about the Siberian rail
guidebook is considered inappropriate for Seelangs.
The reason I posted it is because I know that some subscribers would find
it interesting as they contributed to the book in the dozens of language
questions that I have posted on this list over the last 2 years. Just a
few of the many that I have thanked in the book are Kirill Yakovlevsky,
Alex Klementiev, Mikhail Podolon, Natalya Chernetsova, Richard Fleming,
Alexei Lebedev and Angela Brintlinger. (Unfortunately, I do not have
their email addresses anymore)
I thank the 3 respondants for their critical messages and I appreciate
their comments.

Yours sincerely,

Athol Yates


From rv5s-ptrs at asahi-net.or.jp  Sun Dec 17 01:05:35 1995
From: rv5s-ptrs at asahi-net.or.jp (Scott Petersen)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 10:05:35 +0900
Subject: Siberian BAM Railway Guidebook
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.1995.100535.0900.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

>I agree with Robert Beard:  SEELANGS shouldn't be misused
snip
I'm afraid I have to disagree about this. I rather getting information
about books that I may not have heard about otherwise. I saw nothing
particularly commercial about this posting.

Scott, Japan


From khayuti at mcmail.CIS.McMaster.CA  Sun Dec 17 04:51:28 1995
From: khayuti at mcmail.CIS.McMaster.CA (Mila Khayutin)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 23:51:28 -0500
Subject: Siberian BAM Railway Guidebook
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951217082418.26373A-100000@lingua.cltr.uq.oz.au>
Message-ID: <SAT.16.DEC.1995.235128.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I would like to respectfully disagree with some of the most recent
opinions, re: perceived commercialization of this message. The lists like
ours are supposed to be the place for professional information exchange,
for seeking help/giving help, for SHARING what list members perceive to be
of relevance to the field, and of help to others. By definition, I am
participating in the SLAVLIBS discussion group, where A. Urbanic, who
moderates the group, never shies away from posting publishing news/book
related news in the field, or even messages, that could be clearly defined
as commercial, although all of them are closely related to the field of
Slavic librarianship. I have no difficulty trusting professional
judgements of SEELANG participants in posting any message to the list,
that they themselves WOULD CONSIDER TO BE WORTHY OF POSTING, be it new
trends in education, news on books, WWW sites, language-related queries,
etc. We constantly deal with selecting and storing bits and pieces of
useful information. And I trust, we all know by now how to use the
"delete" key for the one we do not need.
Mila Khayutin
Processing Services
McMaster University Libraries
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
On Sun, 17 Dec 1995, Athol Yates wrote:

> Re Siberian Rail Guide
> I strongly apologise if the recent posting about the Siberian rail
> guidebook is considered inappropriate for Seelangs.
> The reason I posted it is because I know that some subscribers would find
> it interesting as they contributed to the book in the dozens of language
> questions that I have posted on this list over the last 2 years. Just a
> few of the many that I have thanked in the book are Kirill Yakovlevsky,
> Alex Klementiev, Mikhail Podolon, Natalya Chernetsova, Richard Fleming,
> Alexei Lebedev and Angela Brintlinger. (Unfortunately, I do not have
> their email addresses anymore)
> I thank the 3 respondants for their critical messages and I appreciate
> their comments.
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
> Athol Yates
>


From JPKIRCHNER at aol.com  Sun Dec 17 05:03:58 1995
From: JPKIRCHNER at aol.com (James Kirchner)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 00:03:58 -0500
Subject: "heritage speakers"
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.1995.000358.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I have never taught "heritage speakers" and have no experience of them in
Slavic.  My main experience of such nativoid speakers was as their classmate
in an Italian sequence I once took under a native-speaking instructor.  As I
remember, the first semester began with about half the class comprised of
people who "spoke it at home" and ended with most of them gone.

I don't know if this also applies to Slavic communities, but it would seem
there are heritage speakers and there are heritage speakers.  In the Italian
courses I took, they seemed to fall into two distinct groups, and it would be
a challenge to create materials to address both of them.  Based on my
informal observation, the groups were:

1.  Students who spoke a local American dialect of Italian that was not
mutually intelligible with the standard language, partly due to its parent
dialect and partly to its large number of calques and phonologically
disguised loanwords from English.  (This dialect might be analogous to
something like Hamtramck Polish.)  Virtually all these heritage speakers
dropped the class.  The main reasons seemed to be (a) that the course was
going to require study, and wouldn't yield the effortless A they wanted out
of it, and (b) a sort of indignation over the discovery that they were
expected to learn something different from the Italian they were used to (as
if teaching of the standard were an assertion that their own language was no
good).  By the middle of the first semester, these students were underscoring
students who had never heard Italian before starting the class.

2.  All the heritage speakers who stayed with the class through the entire
four semesters either spoke or had been more extensively exposed to standard
Italian at home before beginning the course.  (They also appeared to me to be
more articulate in English.)  While their command of their own Italian
dialect(s) appeared as good as that of the students in the first group, they
studied, and seemed to feel they were deriving some steady benefit from the
instruction oriented toward the anglophone students.

So it would seem that different groups of "heritage speakers" in the same
class would have vastly different needs and motivations.  What these would be
among nativoid Slavic speakers might have a lot to do with their families'
educational level and the basic attitude of their linguistic communities
toward standard and literary language in general.  I'd be interested to know
if other list subscribers have seen situations with Slavic speakers that
confirm or contradict my observation.

James Kirchner


From U22733 at UICVM.BITNET  Sun Dec 17 07:51:27 1995
From: U22733 at UICVM.BITNET (Gregg Opelka)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 02:51:27 EST
Subject: Siberian BAM Railway Guidebook
In-Reply-To: Message of Sat, 16 Dec 1995 09:17:52 -0500 from
 <rbeard@bucknell.edu>
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.1995.025127.EST.>

On Sat, 16 Dec 1995 09:17:52 -0500 Robert Beard said:

Regarding A. Yates' advertising his new book:

Since you invited us to reply, I'm replying. I find nothing wrong with
Mr. Yates' plugging his book on this listserv. It's not as if he's
hawking The Hot Zone, or something completely unrelated to the field. As
an independent instructor of Russian and free-lance interpreter, as well
as a frequent traveller to the Far East, I particularly welcome
information exactly of this kind. I think that electronic "news
releases" about the publication of new books on relative topic are
helpful, informative and should be allowed, at least on a
one-notice-per-book basis. Besides, I'll probably purchase his book. --
Gregg Opelka (gregg.opelka at ala.org)


From mojemj at unidhp.uni-c.dk  Sun Dec 17 12:36:14 1995
From: mojemj at unidhp.uni-c.dk (Mogens Jensen)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 13:36:14 +0100
Subject: BAM & limits
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.1995.133614.0100.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I was glad to read about the BAM book - but I can imagin a lot of awfull
commercials; are there not other listservers that we can subscribe to -
one for books, one for teachers on a level lower than the university.
This question is put on behalf of a lot of danish teachers of russian in
the gymnasium / high school. Best regards & S Rozhdestvom, Mogens Jensen,
Mogens_Jensen at mailhost.net


From rbeard at bucknell.edu  Sun Dec 17 12:52:01 1995
From: rbeard at bucknell.edu (Robert Beard)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 07:52:01 -0500
Subject: Siberian BAM Railway Guidebook
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.1995.075201.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

First of all, let me say that I greatly appreciate Mr. Yate's apology and am
very happy to know that his posting was a matter of expediency rather than
intention.  Actually, I suspected that all along and hope that we remain
personally cyberfriends despite my rather sharp reaction.  My concern is
purely a professional and not personal.  I obviously read the advert since
the book sounds immensely interesting even to me and I will certainly take a
look at it.

Maybe I overreacted to one reading of the 'announcement'.  I understand that
the line between announcements and advertising can be rendered exquisitely
fine.   However, I've looked at it again and the posting still strikes me as
less a simple, objective book announcement than a publisher's release with a
bulleted list of "features" all focused more on ordering information.  I
would dearly love to see my new book promoted (apparently SUNY Press, too,
worries too much about objectivity to stoop to such activities).  I think it
should be announced over all language lists but I still question whether my
publisher should have complete control over the content of the announcement.

To try to pull something positive out of this, maybe we should develop some
sort of policy on the content of book announcements, develop a means of
attracting even more as LINGUIST has done, maybe look for a review editor
who could solicit short succinct reviews from people who are reading
relevant books anyway.  Internet is the ideal means of sharing information
about new books but I would like that information controlled by we'uns, as
folks out this way put it.

--Bob


>I'm afraid I have to disagree about this. I rather getting information
>about books that I may not have heard about otherwise. I saw nothing
>particularly commercial about this posting.
>
>Scott, Japan
>
>
-------------------------------------------------------------
Robert Beard                              Bucknell University
Russian & Linguistics Programs            Lewisburg, PA 17837
rbeard at bucknell.edu                              717-524-1336
Russian Program   http://www.bucknell.edu/departments/russian
Morphology on Internet        http://www.bucknell.edu/~rbeard
-------------------------------------------------------------


From pyz at panix.com  Sun Dec 17 16:11:44 1995
From: pyz at panix.com (Max Pyziur)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 11:11:44 -0500
Subject: Infomeister-Ukraine -- New Software (Correction)
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.1995.111144.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

: Greetings.

: Some new software uploads to Infomeister - Ukrainian:

: For the Mac people:

: 1)Kozak Entertainment
: This is a shareware program created by Natalia and Dmytro Kovalov.
: These are educational programs for children which teach reading of
: Ukrainian using images and melodies from Ukrainian folklore and
: popular culture.  From Lviv and currently living and studying in Tokyo,
: Natalia and Dmytro offer these programs as a by-product of their efforts
: to teach their children Ukrainian.  The Macintosh Ukrainian System is

Apologies.  This program in its latest release does not require the
Macintosh Ukrainian System.  However, Ukrainian Cyrillic fonts are still
necessary.  If you desire to add or modify words in the various
dictionaries a keyboard driver would also be needed.

: necessary for this program.  Please note that the package is over 3
: megabytes in size.

: 2) Transliterated/homophonic keyboards for Ukrainian using the
: Apple Standard Cyrillic and KOI8 Cyrillic codings.
: Three keyboard layouts (Kyiv, Lviv, and Poltava) in two different
: codings makes for six (complicated mathematical thinking facilitated
: this computation) new keyboard offerings from Zenon Feszczak.  Consult
: Zenon's "Ukrainization of the Macintosh" page for the different layouts.
: (http://www.osc.edu/ukraine_nonpubl/htmls/macukr.html

[...]

: How to get there:
: Via the web:
: Your coordinates are:
: http://www.osc.edu/ukraine.html
: and if your computer taps its feet in KOI8 Cyrillic:
: http://www.osc.edu/ukraina.html

: Via ftp or gopher, the site is referenced by:
: infomeister.osc.edu

: via ftp the path is:
: /pub/central_eastern_europe/ukrainian/software/mac
: for the Mac people

: or
: /pub/central_eastern_europe/ukrainian/software/windows
: for the Windows people

: Credits:
: Much thanks to Natalia and Dmytro Kovalov and Zenon Feszczak for their
: contributions.

: Thanks also to Jan Labanowski for maintaining and making available
: the OSC-CEE server at the Ohio Supercomputer Center in Columbus Ohio.

: Submissions, enhancements and corrections to the OSC-CEE-Ukrainian
: server are greatly welcomed.  Any errors of commission or omission
: are ultimately mine so if you find any please feel free to make my
: life miserable.

 ... and I will accept it with all the necessary humility.

: More to come so stay tuned.

: I am,

: Max Pyziur
: pyz at panix.com

Max
pyz at panix.com


From MLLEMILY at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu  Sun Dec 17 16:30:00 1995
From: MLLEMILY at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (Emily Tall)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 11:30:00 -0500
Subject: Siberian BAM Railway Guidebook
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.1995.113000.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Perhaps we should make a distinction between books/trips that are
widely advertised to the profession via mailings and print ads and those
that most of us are likely to miss. I see no harm in short announcements
unless the list starts to get swamped. Emily Tall SUNY/Buffalo
mllemily at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu


From djbpitt+ at pitt.edu  Sun Dec 17 18:12:46 1995
From: djbpitt+ at pitt.edu (David J Birnbaum)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 13:12:46 -0500
Subject: Advertising on SEELANGS
In-Reply-To: <01HYWURVDZHI8WZ27N@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.1995.131246.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

A reasonable compromise might be brief (no more than two or three lines)
notices with an email address for further information. Letting people know
that a publication is available is different from providing several
screens of information designed to tell them why they might want to buy
it.

Cheers,

David
==================================================
Professor David J. Birnbaum      djbpitt+ at pitt.edu
The Royal York Apartments, #802  http://www.pitt.edu/~djbpitt/
3955 Bigelow Boulevard           voice: 1-412-624-5712
Pittsburgh, PA  15213  USA       fax:   1-412-624-9714


From RONDEST at vms.cis.pitt.edu  Sun Dec 17 18:29:09 1995
From: RONDEST at vms.cis.pitt.edu (KAREN RONDESTVEDT)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 14:29:09 -0400
Subject: Siberian BAM Railway Guidebook
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.1995.142909.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

If we are going to be developing a policy for book announcements on SEELANGS, I
would like to register a vote for INCLUDING both a price and ordering informa-
tion, especially if the book is published by an organization other than a
university press or trade publisher. As a librarian who orders about 4500 books
per year, I find it rather annoying to read a tantalizing announcement which
contains minimal information that would be useful for ordering it and ends with
"for more information, please contact...." I don't have time to write for more
information for the number of books involved, along with everything else I'm
supposed to be doing. Such an announcment goes on a pile of things to do, and
I may or may not get around to writing. Including a price and ordering infor-
mation, to my mind, does not by itself constitute an overly commercial message.

I suspect these feelings are shared by at least my librarian colleagues on
SEELANGS--although perhaps I'll find out differently as a result of this mes-
sage!

Karen Rondestvedt
Slavic Bibliographer, University of Pittsburgh Library System
rondest at vms.cis.pitt.edu


From bhorowit at unlinfo.unl.edu  Sun Dec 17 21:21:12 1995
From: bhorowit at unlinfo.unl.edu (brian horowitz)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 15:21:12 -0600
Subject: Siberian BAM Railway Guidebook
In-Reply-To: <01HYX0FXJM7SAM3SKU@vms.cis.pitt.edu> from "KAREN RONDESTVEDT" at
 Dec 17, 95 02:29:09 pm
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.1995.152112.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Dec. 17, 1995

   As a Slavist and bibliophile, I would like to give my assent to
the librarians of SEELANG who have expressed their desire to have
information about new books made available to subscribers. I think we would
do well to err on the side of more information rather than
restriction. I do not always have access to catalogues from small
presses or independent presses and I  lack information
from presses in the countries of Eastern Europe or the former
republics of the Soviet Union. It would be of great service to me to
be able to find out about new books by way of SEELANGS.
    There are limits  and we would do well to guard against the use of
our list for truly commercial purposes.  (I do not want to be
inundated with lists from Random House, for example.) But I am in
favor of letting the list serve as an information clearing house for
books in our field.
    Perhaps there could be some way of letting one know that the
message contains information about a new book even before one reads
the entry, so that individuals not interested in book "advertising"
could delete immediately.  I would suggest that all book information
be titled, "re: book info," or something like that.

   Brian Horowitz
   Dept. of Modern Langs. and Lits.
   U. of Nebraska, Lincoln


From djbpitt+ at pitt.edu  Sun Dec 17 22:02:32 1995
From: djbpitt+ at pitt.edu (David J Birnbaum)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 17:02:32 -0500
Subject: more on advertising and SEELANGS
In-Reply-To: <9512172121.AA22692@unlinfo.unl.edu>
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.1995.170232.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

It may appear that it isn't much of an inconvenience to receive unwanted
information by email, especially if it bears a note in the subject line
that spares us from even having to read the text of unwanted
advertisements. This isn't true. We all pay real money for our email,
even if it is our universities who write the checks and we end users don't
see the tab. Unwanted email is an expense, and not just a nuisance, even
if it looks like it's free.

Since people differ about how much information they want to receive, isn't
the "brief announcement with an address to write to for more information"
type of posting more appropriate than the longer, commercially-oriented,
wide-distribution press release?

Let me drag out an example. I subscribe to a catalogue service from
Panorama (free of charge from Panorama, but with the usual hidden email
charge), and they email me catalogues of new books about Russian and
Ukrainian studies every week or two. These catalogues are long, and should
not be posted to general lists; the expense is appropriate for me because
I want to receive these catalogues, but might not be appropriate for other
SEELANGS readers. This arrangement seems an efficient and considerate way
to handle electronic advertising: tell people briefly that it is
available, and then let them decide whether they want to receive more
information. And to follow my own advice: for those who are interested,
you can get on the Panorama catalogue mailing list by sending a request to
panoramrus at aol.com.

-David
==================================================
Professor David J. Birnbaum      djbpitt+ at pitt.edu
The Royal York Apartments, #802  http://www.pitt.edu/~djbpitt/
3955 Bigelow Boulevard           voice: 1-412-624-5712
Pittsburgh, PA  15213  USA       fax:   1-412-624-9714


From mlauner at garnet.acns.fsu.edu  Sun Dec 17 23:32:36 1995
From: mlauner at garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Michael K. Launer)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 18:32:36 -0500
Subject: my 2 kopecks worth
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.1995.183236.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

You know what that's worth these days . . . . The BAM information strikes
me as no more/less commercial than the Ukrainian e-mail information. I have
no use, personally, for the former, but was pleased to obtain the latter.
We're all big boys and girls, and--as one SEELANGer noted--we all know
where the delete key is.


From ytsuji at cfi.waseda.ac.jp  Mon Dec 18 01:53:08 1995
From: ytsuji at cfi.waseda.ac.jp (Dr Yoshimasa Tsuji)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 10:53:08 +0900
Subject: more on advertising and SEELANGS
In-Reply-To: <Pine.3.89.9512171626.B8257-0100000@stirner.library.pitt.edu>
 (message from David J Birnbaum on Sun, 17 Dec 1995 17:02:32 -0500)
Message-ID: <MON.18.DEC.1995.105308.0900.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I find Professor Birnbaum's statements rather convincing. Advertisements
should carry obvious title in the Subject header and should be restricted
to a few lines (usually a pointer to an e-mail address that automatically
responds to anyone who says "Subject: subscribe").

On the other hand reviews by colleagues are always very welcome. Therefore,
if a publisher/auther wants to put their advertisement here, they could
persuade someone else to post a review essay. And I have seen many
articles on the net to the effect that such and such software was rubbish.

With best wishes,
Tsuji


From dmh27 at columbia.edu  Mon Dec 18 02:56:01 1995
From: dmh27 at columbia.edu (Daniel Michael Hendrick)
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 21:56:01 -0500
Subject: English teaching in Poland
Message-ID: <SUN.17.DEC.1995.215601.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Does anyone have info on programs teaching English in Poland next
semester?  I realize it is a bit late (my application to one program met
with stiff competition), but I know some organizations take people on a
rolling basis.  I don't mind paying for the flight, but housing would be
nice...

Thanks for any ideas...Daniel Hendrick


From ursula.doleschal at WU-WIEN.AC.AT  Mon Dec 18 10:14:29 1995
From: ursula.doleschal at WU-WIEN.AC.AT (ursula.doleschal)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:14:29 +0100
Subject: looking for titles...
Message-ID: <MON.18.DEC.1995.111429.0100.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Dear SEELANGers,

I am compiling materials for a course on language and gender concentrating
on the Slavic languages. I would greatly appreciate any indications on your
part!

Ursula Doleschal (ursula.doleschal at wu-wien.ac.at)
Institut f. Slawische Sprachen, Wirtschaftsuniv. Wien
Augasse 9, 1090 Wien, Austria
Tel.: ++43-1-31336 4115, Fax:  ++43-1-31336 744


From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Mon Dec 18 12:12:43 1995
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 07:12:43 -0500
Subject: more on advertising and SEELANGS
In-Reply-To: <Pine.3.89.9512171626.B8257-0100000@stirner.library.pitt.edu>
Message-ID: <MON.18.DEC.1995.071243.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I agree with David when it comes to handling advertising on listservs.
Another list to which I belong (Foreign Language Teaching Forum) handles
it the way David has been suggesting:  in general, advertising on the
list is frowned upon, but if there is something out there that might be
of general interest to the whole group, a list member puts out a SHORT
message clearly indicating in the note that a bit of commercializing is
about to occur.  Then if others are interested, they contact the
individual who posted that message.  A bit of an extra step or two for
the individual who just wanted to share info, but it helps to keep the
integrity of the list going.  Just my 2 cents....

Devin

___________________________________________________________________________
Devin P. Browne                                   Clairton Education Center
Foreign Language Teacher                                 501 Waddell Avenue
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu                                      Clairton, PA  15025
                                                             (412) 233-9200


From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Mon Dec 18 22:03:13 1995
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 17:03:13 -0500
Subject: Seeking marketing class in Russia or Ukraine (fwd)
Message-ID: <MON.18.DEC.1995.170313.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 95 14:15:56 EST
From: Center for Civil Society International <ccsi+ at u.washington.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <civilsoc at solar.rtd.utk.edu>
Subject: Seeking marketing class in Russia or Ukraine

                                             X-posted from NEWW

>From: Sarah Drue Phillips <sdphilli at students.uiuc.edu>

Hello!
I am writing on behalf of my father, who is a high school marketing
teacher in Charlotte, North Carolina, U.S.A.  His International Marketing
class is looking for a class in Russia or Ukraine that would like to
participate in a marketing project.  In this project, each class would be
responsible for developing a marketable item and distributing it to the
other class.  The other class is responsible for marketing the item in
their home country.  Examples of these items include T-shirts,
sweatshirts, and hats with the school's logo.  The costs of production
that each class encurs should be refunded by the sale of the other class'
items.
The American students do not speak Russian, but I will be able to help
with any English/Russian or Russian/English translation that needs to be
done.
If anyone out there knows of a class in Russia or Ukraine that would be
interested, please respond to me at sdphilli at students.uiuc.edu   or to my
father, David Phillips, directly at d.phillips at cms.k12.nc.us

Thanks!
Sarah Drue Phillips


From BERMEL at humnet.ucla.edu  Tue Dec 19 01:02:37 1995
From: BERMEL at humnet.ucla.edu (Neil Bermel)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 17:02:37 PST
Subject: So. Cal. AATSEEL meeting
Message-ID: <MON.18.DEC.1995.170237.PST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

CALL FOR PAPERS

Southern California AATSEEL

Annual Meeting

Saturday, May 4, 1995

The Southern California chapter of AATSEEL announces its annual meeting
with a call for papers in the area of Russian and Slavic literatures,
linguistics and languages.

Our keynote lecturer will be Professor Olga Yokoyama of UCLA, who will
be speaking on discourse theory and its implications for language
teaching, literary studies and linguistics.

Two topics have already been suggested for papers on language:
"Teaching languages on the advanced level" and "Teaching languages to
children of native speakers."  Papers on these topics are welcome,
although all proposals are gladly accepted (especially those
constituting entire panels of 3-5 papers).  Topics in linguistics and
literature are open, and the formation of panels will depend on the
number and quality of submissions received.  Graduate students in
particular are encouraged to submit proposals.

Interested parties should send me a 1-to-2-page abstract no later than
March 1, 1996.  Abstracts and queries can be sent by e-mail to
bermel at humnet.ucla.edu or by paper mail to the address below:

Neil Bermel
Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures
405 Hilgard Avenue
University of California
Los Angeles, CA 90024


From rrobin at gwis2.circ.gwu.edu  Tue Dec 19 01:47:49 1995
From: rrobin at gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Richard Robin)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 20:47:49 -0500
Subject: "heritage speakers"
In-Reply-To: <v02110104acf5defcb027@[144.92.182.33]>
Message-ID: <MON.18.DEC.1995.204749.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Let's give credit where credit is due: I'm pretty certain that it is our
own Irene Thompson who coined the term "nativoid." However, I am not sure
of the less colorful, albeit more PC term "heritage speaker" came from.
But I sure like the sound of nativoid. I have finally trained myself not
to use it too much in public.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Robin     <robin at gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>
Dept. of German and Slavic Languages and Literatures
The George Washington University
W A S H I N G T O N,  D. C. 20052


From boyle at accessone.com  Tue Dec 19 03:17:47 1995
From: boyle at accessone.com (Eloise M. Boyle)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 19:17:47 PST
Subject: Dangers of Advertising
Message-ID: <MON.18.DEC.1995.191747.PST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Dear SEELANGers,

The current discussion of advertising on the net goes well beyond the
boundaries of our newsgroup, and a few things about internet etiquette
ought to be borne in mind.  Please note that my comments are NOT directed
as personal criticism of Athol Yates.

Devin Browne touched upon a couple of points in his posting.  Internet
etiquette is designed so that the *user* is always in control.  You can be
commercial on the net as long as you are well-behaved and quiet about it.
The most common courtesy these days if you are advertising a product is to
refer users to a home page where they can get more information.
Unsolicited advertisement is verboten on the internet, but within the
context of an *already ongoing* discussion, reference to certain texts and
products is OK.  These "behavior rules" are set forth to help keep the
Internet manageable, to help maintain the academic integrity of certain
lists, and because the internet gurus decided long ago to fight
commercialization of the internet .

Letting unsolicited advertising onto user groups is opening yourself to a
potential nightmare (anyone remember the "fax attacks" from the days when
personal fax machines became more widespread?): is SEELANGS prepared to
make judgements about which companies are "suitable" for us and which are
not?  Are we willing to allow publishers in and keep other firms out?  Once
you let unsolicited advertisements into your group you absolutely cannot
stem the tide.

The "delete" button question:  believing you can just delete those unwanted
messages you receive is shortsighted and naive.  From July 1994 to July
1995 the number of registered hosts on the internet went from 3.2 million
to 6.6 million -- and that is not a count of actual *users* of those
machines.  The estimate is that by the end of the century 120 million
machines will be connected to the internet. (source: Internet World, Nov.
95)

Remember, with 10-30 million people on the net, if you leave your newsgroup
open to advertising you'll have literally hundreds of unwanted messages out
there *every day* (if you don't believe firms are dying to use the internet
for commercial gain, ask your provider for evidence).  One moderator would
spend *100%* of his/her time keeping up with such a mountain of mail.
Deleting these messages would be a waste of your time, your connection
time.  Receiving them is a waste of your internet provider's disk space.

Perhaps captialism will inevitably take over the net, but unsolicited
advertising on the internet is currently regulated by gentlemen's agreement
for very good reasons.  We here at SEELANGS would do well to keep these
issues in mind.

Eloise M. Boyle
boyle at accessone.com


From rakitya at mail.utexas.edu  Tue Dec 19 08:59:54 1995
From: rakitya at mail.utexas.edu (Anna Rakityanskaya)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:59:54 +0300
Subject: Advertisement on SEELANGS
Message-ID: <TUE.19.DEC.1995.115954.0300.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I strongly support Karen Rondestvedt's proposal on including price and
ordering information in any book advertisement on SEELANGS.

I also agree with many other participants of the discussion who suggest
that only books by smaller or independent publishers (or as Karen put it,
"an organization other than a university press or trade publisher") could
be advertised on SEELANGS.

Anna Rakityanskaya                         University of Texas
Bibliographer, Center for Post-Soviet      Austin, TX 78712
and East European Studies                  Phone: (512) 495-4188
PCL 2.300; S5453                           Internet: RAKITYA at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU


From rdelossa at HUSC.BITNET  Tue Dec 19 19:43:57 1995
From: rdelossa at HUSC.BITNET (Robert De Lossa)
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 14:43:57 -0500
Subject: The B word
Message-ID: <TUE.19.DEC.1995.144357.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Dear SEELANZHANE:

I cannot but feel ambivalent about book announcements on the
news/discussion groups--there is too much to wade through as is. However,
as someone responsible for publishing several academic series, I would
object strongly to a move to censor incoming ads from university or trade
publishers. I do not think there is any good rationale for it. Certainly,
larger presses have their catalogues and stronger marketing departments;
but anyone with an ISBN that establishes an exclusivity arrangement for
American distribution with an American-based office can be included in FB
and BIP--East European publishers should be aware of this and should be
making use of it to reach bibliographers, just as larger presses do. For
foreign publishers distributing themselves (samposlat?) SEELANGS makes a
difference, but then the cutoff logically would be: ads only from
publishers with no physical presence in the U.S. This would be a ludicrous
guideline from the pt. of view of info provision and serve no one well.

The bottom line for a specialty title is just as crucial for larger
publishers as it is for small publishers. SEELANGS would do itself and the
field a discourtesy by disallowing university/trade presses from future
announcements--there are enough disincentives for major presses to pick up
specialty titles (which 95% of Slavic studies titles are considered to be
by people watching the bottom line) as is. If you care about, e.g., the
Czech avant-garde you should hope that the title from Oxford University
Press or Norton sells as well and as quickly as possible, otherwise
something in that field is likely not to be picked up by them again.
Besides, where do you draw the line over ads? Our Institute's various
series (Harvard Series in Ukrainian Studies, Harv. Libr. of Early Ukr.
Lit., Harv. Papers in Ukr. Studies, Ottomon Docs. Pertaining to Ukr. and
the Black Sea Countries) are distributed by Harvard University Press, but
are put out by what is in essence a micro-press on a shoestring budget. The
reality at other major presses is often the same, even if the situation is
one of a press-internal series vs. a distributed arrangement. The trade
presses are different, but the number of titles overall is less.

As presses become more 'net savvy, they will seek more and more to address
their potential audience directly and cheaply. SEELANGS, from the
perspective of a marketer, is a perfect forum for making initial contact to
a desireable audience, but not for making the sale. By and large, it takes
formatted descriptive text and graphics to do that. For this reason most
major publishers have set up Web sites for browsing. What most publishers
with Web sites will want is for you to know to point to them in your
browser/client to see what's up. Heavy text by Email is redundant and
possibly counterproductive for their purposes.

If announcements come on-line to SEELANGS I agree more with David
Birnbaum's suggestion: short, simple announcements pointing to Web or
gopher sites (or Email address for reply), with a good subject line that
allows immediate trashing if the message isn't something you're interested
in. Publishers who have not already done so should be investing in Web or
gopher sites if they want to use the Internet. (Nothing is for free.) Those
who are serious about getting info on-line should learn to use Web or
gopher clients to access it.

Other solutions might include allowing only reviews (not
publisher-originated ads) into SEELANGS or establishing another listserve
to deal with SEELANGS-related books and other products (important software
packages, translators, travel programs, etc.). People who are not
interested in such things could then simply not subscribe to it. I don't
know what CUNY would think, though.

One final note. I think the greatest irony here is that the argument
centers around a book ad, while at the same time there seems to have been
no comment about the various postings about new services offered by Web
sites that have come on during the same period. Web services are extremely
important, but ultimately you simply are accessing a "book+," a book that
can give you multimedia or a book that tells your computer how to deal with
KOII8. However, inasmuch as we all pay for our access to the Web (or our
sponsoring institutions do) and ultimately Web site provision is not free
(someone pays for the server and connections), this is a commercial
venture, too--Web sites all are vying for greater numbers of "hits" as a
way of justifying the funding put into them. It is a disservice to the
printed book to get huffy about book ads just because they are funded,
described, and accessed the old-fashioned way. When someone gets tenure on
the basis of his or her home page I'll change my mind, but until then. . .

IMO, Robert De Lossa

____________________________________________________
Tchu, titko, tchu. . .
Robert De Lossa
Managing Editor, Harvard Series/Papers in Ukrainian Studies
Publications Office
Ukrainian Research Institute
Harvard University
1583 Massachusetts Ave.
Cambridge, MA 02138 USA
617-496-8768 tel. 617-495-8097 fax.
"rdelossa at fas.harvard.edu"


From mlauner at garnet.acns.fsu.edu  Wed Dec 20 15:08:09 1995
From: mlauner at garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Michael K. Launer)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:08:09 -0500
Subject: Seeking marketing class in Russia or Ukraine (fwd)
Message-ID: <WED.20.DEC.1995.100809.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Mon, 18 Dec 95 14:15:56 EST
>From: Center for Civil Society International <ccsi+ at u.washington.edu>
>To: Multiple recipients of list <civilsoc at solar.rtd.utk.edu>
>Subject: Seeking marketing class in Russia or Ukraine
>
>                                             X-posted from NEWW
>
>>From: Sarah Drue Phillips <sdphilli at students.uiuc.edu>
>
>Hello!
>I am writing on behalf of my father, who is a high school marketing
>teacher in Charlotte, North Carolina, U.S.A.  His International Marketing
>class is looking for a class in Russia or Ukraine that would like to
>participate in a marketing project.  In this project, each class would be
>responsible for developing a marketable item and distributing it to the
>other class.  The other class is responsible for marketing the item in
>their home country.  Examples of these items include T-shirts,
>sweatshirts, and hats with the school's logo.  The costs of production
>that each class encurs should be refunded by the sale of the other class'
>items.
>The American students do not speak Russian, but I will be able to help
>with any English/Russian or Russian/English translation that needs to be
>done.
>If anyone out there knows of a class in Russia or Ukraine that would be
>interested, please respond to me at sdphilli at students.uiuc.edu   or to my
>father, David Phillips, directly at d.phillips at cms.k12.nc.us
>
>Thanks!
>Sarah Drue Phillips

I am forwarding this message to a graduate student of ours who currently
resides in St. Petersburg, Russia, and who has been teaching English in the
schools there. I should think that she might be able to put you in contact
with the appropriate people.  Her name is Kendra Cartwright, and she can be
reached by e-mail c/o the following address:
                                                         bdenny at atlantic.spb.su

Hope this info helps. Happy Holidays & Good Luck. MKL


From flier at HUSC.BITNET  Wed Dec 20 16:11:54 1995
From: flier at HUSC.BITNET (Michael Flier)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:11:54 -0500
Subject: Int'l Congress of Slavists
In-Reply-To: <v01530507acf6f974c7a4@DialupEudora.HARVARD.EDU>
Message-ID: <WED.20.DEC.1995.111154.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Dear Prof. Launer:

Your letter makes it sound as though you are unaware of the complexities
of selecting an American delegation for the International Congress of
Slavists, beginning with the call for papers and ending with the
publication of *American Contributions.*

The call for papers was the most widely advertised in the history of the
American Committee of Slavists. If you are referring to your own desire to
participate, you would have had to send in an application form by May 1,
1995 (a front-page announcement was printed in the AATSEEL newsletter
together with an application form; an announcement was printed in the
AAASS newsletter). Inasmuch as you neglected to apply, you cannot now be
considered for a place in the American delegation.

As for the selection process itself, the requirement that the papers must
be *published* as well as presented raises problems of timing, stylistic
uniformity, and editing that do not arise for presentation alone. The
editors and their committees must work with the authors several *years* in
advance to insure that the volumes will be published on time, before the
Congress actually takes place. The ultimate decision on who participates
is not a single step, but rather the result of several steps:
determination of eligibility, assessment of abstract (due January 1,
1996), assessment of written papers (July-October 1996), and approval of
final edited and corrected versions (December 1966-January 1997). The
editors are responsible for the publication of *American Contributions*
and therefore the American Committee of Slavists has delegated to them the
authority to reject an abstract or any version of a manuscript that does
not satisfy their standards of form and content.

In closing, I can assure you that every precaution is taken to give all
applicants a complete and fair evaluation. Although you state that
your remarks are not intended to be personal, I think you do the field a
disservice by discrediting the integrity of the editors and the other
members of the American Committee of Slavists, who have contributed a
considerable amount of time and energy to insure the highest quality
American delegation we can muster for 1998. I can think of hundreds of
ways to see friends in Europe that involve far less effort
than organizing the 1998 American delegation.


Sincerely,


Michael S. Flier, Chairman
American Committee of Slavists


On Sat, 16 Dec 1995, Michael K. Launer wrote:

> Regarding Intl Cong of Slavists.... It would be nice, for a change, if
> participants were selected in some sort of blind refereeing process, as
> opposed to the traditional practice of making sure friends of the
> organizing committee members all managed to have an excuse for a get
> together somewhere in Europe. Nothing personal, of course. It's just about
> time we became more professional about all of this.
>


From OKAGAN at humnet.ucla.edu  Wed Dec 20 17:35:36 1995
From: OKAGAN at humnet.ucla.edu (Olga Kagan)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 09:35:36 PST
Subject: aatseel workshop
Message-ID: <WED.20.DEC.1995.093536.PST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Please mark your Chicago AATSEEL calendars:
December 28, 7-9 p.m. Workshop on Teaching Methodology: Video in the
Classroom.  Viktoria Tsimberov (Cornell) will talk about using video as
a stepping stone for conversation, and Nyusya Milman (Ann Arbor) will
discuss using video for developing cultural competency.  The Workshop,
as it was in the previous years, will be conducted in Russian. If you
want more information, please e-mail okagan at humnet.ucla.edu


From sforres1 at swarthmore.edu  Wed Dec 20 18:50:39 1995
From: sforres1 at swarthmore.edu (Sibelan Forrester)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:50:39 -0500
Subject: Query re astrology and Russian Modernists
Message-ID: <WED.20.DEC.1995.135039.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

If anyone knows of anyone, especially anyone Russian, who combines an
interest in and knowledge of astrology with scholarly familiarity with
Russian modernists or modernism, I'd love to hear about them in the next
few days in order to get in touch about participation in a conference
roundtable.

Thanks for the help, and all the best for the holidays --

Sibelan Forrester
Swarthmore College
(610) 328-8162
sforres1 at swarthmore.edu


From BERMEL at humnet.ucla.edu  Wed Dec 20 20:12:55 1995
From: BERMEL at humnet.ucla.edu (Neil Bermel)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 12:12:55 PST
Subject: So. Cal. AATSEEL (more)
Message-ID: <WED.20.DEC.1995.121255.PST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Thanks to those who wrote to point out that...

--the S.C. AATSEEL meeting will be on Saturday, May 4, 1996, NOT 1995 as
announced;
--I did not state the venue.  The meeting will be held at UCLA (exact
location on campus, directions, etc. to be announced next year).

Neil Bermel


From pyccku at aztec.asu.edu  Thu Dec 21 00:33:40 1995
From: pyccku at aztec.asu.edu (HEATHER D. FRACKIEWICZ)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:33:40 -0700
Subject: English teaching in Poland
Message-ID: <WED.20.DEC.1995.173340.0700.>

The last time I asked the Polish Ministry of Education about
it, they said you need 2 years teaching experience.  I do
believe they pay for healthcare and housing, and you have to
pay for the trip itself.  Plus you get a salary - at the
time it was 2 million zloty, but that was when inflation
was getting worse, and now they've redone the system of
money.  Good luck!

--
If your eye got poked out in this life
Would it be waiting up in heaven with your wife?


From mlauner at garnet.acns.fsu.edu  Thu Dec 21 03:48:59 1995
From: mlauner at garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Michael K. Launer)
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 22:48:59 -0500
Subject: Int'l Congress of Slavists
Message-ID: <WED.20.DEC.1995.224859.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Dear Prof. Flier--

I appreciate your response. The fact of the matter is, I had no intention
or desire to participate in this particular conference. Had the situation
been otherwise, I would have surely followed the appropriate procedures. I
said, and I meant, "Nothing personal, of course." Nevertheless, over the
years the history of selecting participants in these conferences has been
pretty shoddy, and, as a former member of the faculty at UCLA, you surely
know exactly what/whom I had in mind. And yes, the "complexities of
selecting an American delegation for the International Congress of
Slavists, beginning with the call for papers and ending with the
publication of *American Contributions*" were all in place for most of
those conferences as well. It's just that nobody really cared about quality
if the correct name appeared on the title page underneath the title itself.
If I unfairly impugned the integrity of the "editors and the other members
of . . . [this] . . . American Committee of Slavists," please accept my
apologies. Nonetheless, I believe my remarks were well taken and well
founded. Nothing you can say about this particular committee will remove
the facts of the past.

Sincerely,

Michael Launer


From dziwirek at u.washington.edu  Fri Dec 22 05:28:25 1995
From: dziwirek at u.washington.edu (Katarzyna Dziwirek)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 21:28:25 -0800
Subject: Nabokov Studies 1
In-Reply-To: <Pine.HPP.3.91.951129225700.6351B-100000@karhu.Helsinki.FI>
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.1995.212825.0800.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Hi everyone, I am posting this and the next message on behalf of D. Johnson
and G. Diment. Happy holidays!
kat

FELLOW NABOKOVIANS,
        THE 1995 ISSUE OF THE JOURNAL _NABOKOV STUDIES_, IS NOW AVAILABLE.
BELOW, YOU WILL FIND THE TABLE OF CONTENTS FOR BOTH THE 1994 & 1995
ISSUES. SUBSCRIPTION INFORMATION WILL FOLLOW IN A SECOND MESSAGE. PLEASE
CALL THE ORDER INFORMATION TO THE ATTENTION OF YOUR UNIVERSITY LIBRARY.
SALE COPIES WILL BE AVAILABLE AT THE BOOK EXHIBIT OF THE PUBLISHER,
CHARLES SCHLACKS, AT THE AATSEEL CONFERENCE (PALMER HOUSE HOTEL) IN
CHICAGO. AS INDICATED IN THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE, COPIES MAY ALSO BE ORDERED
DIRECTLY FROM CHARLES SCHLACKS, OR THE EDITOR--D. BARTON JOHNSON,
<CHTODEL at HUMANITAS.UCSB.EDU>
-----------------------------------------

                              NABOKOV STUDIES

                               Volume 1 1994

                            Table of Contents

                                 Articles

The Intersection of McEwen and Wheaton: A Nabokovian Locus Identified
                             ------------------------ Joel J. Brattin
Nabokov and Narrative Point of View: The Case of "A Letter that
        Never Reached Russia" -----------------------  Julian Connolly
Washington's Gift: Materials Pertaining to Nabokov's Gift in the
        Library of Congress  ---------------------------  Jane Grayson
The Nabokov-Sartre Controversy-----------------------D. Barton Johnson
Vladimir Nabokov's King, Queen, Knave and the Commedia Dell'Arte
                              ----------------------  Stephanie Merkel
                -------------------------------------------
                                   Intermezzo

        An Album of Five Photographs, by  Gennady Barabtarlo
        A Poem: "Nabokov in Minnesota. November 1941,"by Jonathan B. Sisson
                --------------------------------------------

Necessary Introduction or Fatal Fatuity: Nabokov's Introductions and
        Bend Sinister ---------------------------------- Charles Nicol
"Cloud, Castle, Lake" and the Problem of Entering Nabokov's Otherworld
                      --------------------------------Maxim D. Shrayer
Nabokov's Cosmic Synchronization and "Something Else"
                      ---------------------------Jonathan B. Sisson
Sinistral Details: Nabokov, Wilson, and Hamlet in Bend Sinister
                    ---------------------------Susan Elizabeth Sweeney
Liberal Ironists and the "Gaudily Painted Savage": On Richard
        Rorty's Reading of Vladimir Nabokov----------------Leona Toker

                                 Book Reviews

John Burt Foster. _Nabokov's Art of Memory and European Modernism_
                                                (Clarence Brown)
Nikolai Anastas'ev. _Fenomen Nabokova_         (D. Barton Johnson)
Alfred Appel, Jr. _The Art of Celebration: Twentieth Century Painting,
        Literature, Sculpture, Photography and Jazz_ (Charles Nicol)
Tony Sharpe. _Vladimir Nabokov_                    (Samuel Schuman)
_A Small Alpine Form: Studies in Nabokov's Short Fiction_. Edited by
        Charles Nicol and Gennady Barabtarlo    (Maxim D. Shrayer)
Julian Connolly. _Nabokov's Early Fiction: Patterns of Self and Other_
                                                    (Leona Toker)
Magdalena Medaric. _Od Masenjke do Lolite_      (Zoran Kuzmanovich)
Donald Harington. _Ekaterina_                     (Clarence Brown)

--------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------

Volume 2 1995               NABOKOV STUDIES

                            Table of Contents

                                 Articles

        Forum: Did Humbert Kill Quilty? The Chronology of Lolita

Nabokov's Time Doubling: From The Gift to Lolita
                       ----------------------------- Alexander Dolinin
'Nature's Reality' or Humbert's 'Fancy': Scenes of Reunion
                and Murder in Lolita-------------------Julian Connolly
"Even Homais Nods": Nabokov's Fallibility or How to Revise Lolita
                         ---------------------------------- Brian Boyd



Pale Fire: Three Notes towards a Thetic Solution---------Chris Ackerley
Nabokov's Travesties of Childhood Nostalgia--------------Richard Borden
'Perplex'd in the Extreme': Moral Facets of Nabokov's work
                        ------------------------------- Gerard de Vries
Look at Valdemar! (a beautified corpse revived)------------Jeff Edmunds
Time, Writing and Ecstasy in Speak, Memory: Dramatizing the
                Proustian Project----------------------Christian Moraru
Silence and the Ineffable in Nabokov's Invitation to a Beheading
                           -------------------------- Brian Thomas Oles
Death and Immortality in Nabokov's "A Busy Man"-------- Svetlana Polsky


                   Rewriting Nabokov: A Story and an Article

Jean Lahougue's "The Resemblance"----------- translated by Jeff Edmunds
(Re)writing Considered as an Act of Murder: How to Rewrite Nabokov in a
                Post-Nouveau Roman Setting-------------- Michel Sirvent
                ------------------------------------

                        Featured Review Articles

The Great (Textual) Communicator), or, Blindness and Insight, by Brian McHale:
                  Maurice Couturier. _Nabokov ou la tyrannie de l'auteur_
Nabokov's Lepidoptera, by Brian Boyd:
                Dieter E. Zimmer. "Nabokov's Lepidtoptera" in _Les papillons de
                Nabokov_, ed. Michel Sartori

                                 Reviews

David Rampton. _Vladimir Nabokov_                  (John Burt Foster)
Inna Broude. Ot Khodasevicha do Nabokova: nostalgicheskaia tema v
                poezii pervoi russkoi emigratsii       (Irena Luksic)







************************************************************
Katarzyna Dziwirek
dziwirek at u.washington.edu
Department of Slavic Languages and Literature, box 353580
University of Washington, Seattle, WA 98195
tel. (206) 543-7691
************************************************************


From dziwirek at u.washington.edu  Fri Dec 22 05:31:58 1995
From: dziwirek at u.washington.edu (Katarzyna Dziwirek)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 21:31:58 -0800
Subject: Nabokov studies:ordering info
In-Reply-To: <Pine.HPP.3.91.951129225700.6351B-100000@karhu.Helsinki.FI>
Message-ID: <THU.21.DEC.1995.213158.0800.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

ATTENTION NABOKOVIANS.

        BELOW YOU WILL FIND ORDER INFORMATION FOR THE JOURNAL _NABOKOV
STUDIES_. (See the preceding message for the Tables of Contents for the
1994 & 1995 issues.) IN ADDITION TO PERSONAL ORDERS, PLEASE CALL THIS
INFORMATION TO THE ATTENTION OF YOUR UNIVERSITY LIBRARY. SALE COPIES WILL
ALSO BE AVAILABLE AT THE BOOK EXHIBIT DURING THE AATSEEL CONFERENCE IN
CHICAGO'S PALMER HOUSE HOTEL.


============================================================

INSTRUCTIONS FOR OBTAINING NABOKOV STUDIES, Volumes 1 and 2

PRICES:

     NABOKOV STUDIES #1 (1994) costs $21.00 (233pp)

     NABOKOV STUDIES #2 (1995) costs $28.00 (300+pp)

     The above are individual rates. Add $1.50 for overseas
     postage.

     Institutional rates for NS#1 are $31 domestic ($32.50
     overseas).  For NS#2, the institutional rate is $32
     domestic ($33.50 overseas).

  +   +   +   +   +   +   +   +   +   +   +   +   +   +   +

WHERE TO SEND PAYMENT:

  Option 1 -- the editor:
     D. Barton Johnson
     Dept. of Germanic, Slavic, and Semitic Studies
     Phelps Hall
     Univ. of California at Santa Barbara
     Santa Barbara, CA 93106.

Checks should be made out to D. Barton Johnson and in the
lower right hand corner contain the information "Nabokov
Studies #1, or #2 (or both).  The checks should be in US
Funds drawn on a US Bank.


Option 2 -- the publisher:
     Charles Schlacks, Jr.
     Publisher, Center for Multiethnic and Transnational
          Studies
     Univ. of Southern California
     344 Salvatori Hall
     Los Angeles, CA 90089-1601

Checks should be in US funds drawn on a US bank and made out
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    (1 year/1 volume = $21.50;  3 years/3 volumes = $60;
   foreign subscriptions add $4 per year, $10 for 3 years)


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Please send your check (US Funds please, drawn on a US Bank
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From dziwirek at u.washington.edu  Fri Dec 22 20:09:28 1995
From: dziwirek at u.washington.edu (Katarzyna Dziwirek)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 12:09:28 -0800
Subject: Internet crisis in Poland
Message-ID: <FRI.22.DEC.1995.120928.0800.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Dear colleagues,
I am forwarding the following message, in the hope that some of you might
find the time in your busy holiday/conference season to write a letter of
protest. This appears to be a serious problem and one that may well
appear in other EE countries in the future. I did not edit the message below
(my schedule is pretty busy too!) so please substitute prices for prizes.
Thanks and happy holidays,
kat
 ************************************************************
Katarzyna Dziwirek
dziwirek at u.washington.edu
Department of Slavic Languages and Literature, box 353580
University of Washington, Seattle, WA 98195
tel. (206) 543-7691
************************************************************


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 95 13:30 MET
From: Marta Dubrzynska <martad at pap.waw.pl>
Subject: Polish internet

Dear Netpersonality,

This is a request for help on behalf of the Polish internet. We
have one single internet provider in Poland: NASK. NASK has
bacause of an agreement with the Polish Telecom a
monopoly on lines connecting Poland with the rest of the world.
University's schools and commercial internet providers have to
get their acces from NASK.
Prizes of internet are high. A complete account with SLIP etc.
costs around 60 $ a month. Telephone costs are 3.7 $ per hour. If you
take into account that wages of around 350 $ per month are
considdered normal it is clear why internet is not used by so many people
in Poland.
And now NASK announced that too many people are using the
internet and that they need more money to keep the lines open.
They decided that from January they would raise the prizes,
and that they would calculate costs per bytes sent or recieved.
Yes that's right, we have to pay for letters you send us and we
have to pay for WWW pages you download from us. This will mean
the end of most internet activity in Poland.
If you want to know the details you can find them at:
http://galaxy.uci.agh.edu.pl/~szymon/protest-eng.html
http://www.put.poznan.pl/hypertext/isoc-pl/battle.html

Email your letters to:
protest at uci.agh.edu.pl

That's why we Marta Dubrzynska, Webmaster of the Centre for
Contemporary Art in Warsaw, (http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/culture/csw/) and
Michiel van der Haagen, Net user (http://www.atm.com.pl/COM/michiel/) ask
your help.
Can you make it clear to our Government and NASK that this policy is
disasterous for Polish culture, economy and education? Please check out
these WWW adresses and react.



>
>
>

>
>


From mlauner at garnet.acns.fsu.edu  Tue Dec 26 14:23:25 1995
From: mlauner at garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Michael K. Launer)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 1995 09:23:25 -0500
Subject: email to/from Russia
Message-ID: <TUE.26.DEC.1995.092325.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

The following information/opinion was offered to me by Michele L. Pedro,
director of operations at Russian Technology Language Services, Inc. of
Tallahassee FL (75212.345 at CompuServe.com), a company in which I have a
financial interest. The note came in response to my having forwarded the
message from Jennifer Greene-Krupala (jgkrupala at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU) regarding
Smartlink Corp and a new product called CP_TUNER 1.0.....

"Both sender and receiver of an emailed text should use the same program.
UUENCODE and UUDECODE are free and, as I see it, used by most people.
[This] also works for Russian. Therefore, I see no need [for anyone] to
purchase another program. MLP"


From taylor+ at osu.edu  Wed Dec 27 02:36:18 1995
From: taylor+ at osu.edu (L. Douglas Taylor)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 1995 21:36:18 EST
Subject: email to/from Russia
Message-ID: <TUE.26.DEC.1995.213618.EST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

>The following information/opinion was offered to me by Michele L. Pedro,
>director of operations at Russian Technology Language Services, Inc. of
>Tallahassee FL (75212.345 at CompuServe.com), a company in which I have a
>financial interest. The note came in response to my having forwarded the
>message from Jennifer Greene-Krupala (jgkrupala at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU) regarding
>Smartlink Corp and a new product called CP_TUNER 1.0.....
>
>"Both sender and receiver of an emailed text should use the same program.
>UUENCODE and UUDECODE are free and, as I see it, used by most people.
>[This] also works for Russian. Therefore, I see no need [for anyone] to
>purchase another program. MLP"

While at first this seems a feasible solution to write messages to one
another in Russian (or any language based in Cyrillic), there are some
serious flaws in the underlying assumptions made.  First, while UUencode
and UUdecode are both available for free, their availability is
questionable - how would your "average" Russian know to acquire them?  Too,
there's the questionable need of adding more steps to a process than
necessary; I would hazard the opinion that most Slavists and "language
professionals" aren't exactly hard-core computer enthusiasts, unlike Ms.
Pedro and/or me ...

But the most prominent problem is the plethora of "standards" available;
the parties would have to agreed ahead of time which fonts they would use
in the encoding - and there are 5 (yes, five) standards to choose from:
KOI8r, KOI-8 ukrainian, CP-866 (Codepage 866, Alternative PC choice),
CP-1251 (MS-Windows), and Apple Cyrillic (Macintosh, of course).  Encoding
two different standards would be next to useless ...

It's for these reasons that there does exist, to some degree, a market for
programs/packages that eliminate the need to have multiple steps for
writing, encoding, sending, decoding, guessing, praying, etc.  And as such,
a program that would "tune" this process, eliminating a lot of the mess,
would be a good idea.

Of course, Eudora versions 1.5.1 and up already do this.  A good reference
on "Russifying" a machine to read and write Cyrillic via Internet
applications (e.g., Eudora) using a Macintosh is the following page:

http://www.pitt.edu/~mapst57/rus/russian.html



--
 We cross our bridges when we come to them,  | Lance Douglas Taylor
 And burn them behind us, leaving us with    | taylor+ at osu.edu
 nothing but the memory of the smell of      |
 smoke, and the presumption that once our    | Just another meerkat in the
 eyes watered ... - Rosencrantz              | electronic jungle ...


From AHRJJ at CUNYVM.BITNET  Wed Dec 27 06:47:42 1995
From: AHRJJ at CUNYVM.BITNET (Alex Rudd)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 01:47:42 EST
Subject: SEELANGS Administrivia - Advertising on the list
Message-ID: <WED.27.DEC.1995.014742.EST.>

Dear SEELANGers,

I administer two other very active LISTSERV lists, and on each I've
found it necessary to dictate list policy pertaining to advertising.
When the topic was raised here on SEELANGS, I sat back to watch,
knowing that the bright and capable minds among you would undoubtedly
hash out the important issues and reach some conclusions, albeit
perhaps not consensus.  As I see it, that's precisely what happened.

I try not to meddle too much with SEELANGS these days, because I
consider myself more a caretaker than a list owner here.  Still,
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advertising on this list:

Advertising is discouraged on SEELANGS.  However, if the product
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From fjm6 at columbia.edu  Thu Dec 28 00:38:29 1995
From: fjm6 at columbia.edu (Frank Joseph Miller)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 19:38:29 -0500
Subject: Job Announcement
Message-ID: <WED.27.DEC.1995.193829.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Assistant Professor with a specialization in Ukrainian and one other
Slavic Language and literature other than Russian. Near native fluency in
English and the languages of specialization is an absolute essential.
Sent pertinent materials to Frank J. miller, Chair, Dept. of Slavic
Langu8ages, Columbia University, New York, NY 10027. This is a
redefinition of our previously advertised position, and those who have
already applied need not reapply. Women asnd minority candidates are
encouraged to apply. Columbia University is an EOE/AAd
employer.Applications should be received by March 15.