From KEC7497 at tntech.edu  Thu Jan  4 01:45:01 1996
From: KEC7497 at tntech.edu (KEVIN CHRISTIANSON)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 19:45:01 -0600
Subject: Slavic & East European Arts Journal
Message-ID: <WED.3.JAN.1996.194501.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Does anyone know what the status of Slavic & East European Arts Journal is?
Has it become defunct?

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children for being frank with us; others, if they have the audacity to imitate
them, will regret it sooner or later."  --E.M.Cioran.
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From howsol at falcon.cc.ukans.edu  Thu Jan  4 14:05:15 1996
From: howsol at falcon.cc.ukans.edu (SOLOMON HOWARD TODD)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 08:05:15 -0600
Subject: Bulgakov Society
Message-ID: <THU.4.JAN.1996.080515.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

The Mikhail Bulgakov Society of North America held its annual meeting in
Chicago during the AATSEEL conference.
The society invites anyone interested in Bulgakov to join for 1996.
Members will receive a copy of the next "The Newsletter of the Mikhail
Bulgakov Society" (ISSN 1085-4460).

Copies of the Number 1, 1995 edition of the newsletter (64 pages,
containing comments from leading Bulgakov scholars like Barratt, Proffer,
Ianovskaia, etc., abstracts of AATSEEL papers, two articles, and
bibliography) are still available.

For more information on the society and on how to receive the newsletter
contact Howard Solomon at: howsol at falcon.cc.ukans.edu

or:
Howard Solomon, Editor/Treasurer
Mikhail Bulgakov Society
Dept. of Slavic Languages and Literatures, 2134 Wescoe Hall
University of Kansas
Lawrence, Kansas 66045

One other note:  I am currently compiling a list of ongoing projects
dealing with Bulgakov and his works.  I would appreciate any names of
both established scholars and graduate students and working titles of
books, articles, theses, etc. Information can be sent to the addresses
listed above.

Howard Solomon


From goscilo+ at pitt.edu  Thu Jan  4 15:14:03 1996
From: goscilo+ at pitt.edu (Helena Goscilo)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 10:14:03 -0500
Subject: RUSSIAN FOLK BELIEF by Linda Ivanits
In-Reply-To: <01HY9GH999MA91VZLM@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU>
Message-ID: <THU.4.JAN.1996.101403.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Kollegi, pomogite!!

This is an academic SOS (as opposed to the usual academic SOBs).  I have
a folklore course with 62-65 students (the semester began today) for
which the first text is Linda Ivanits's RUSS. FOLK BELIEF. Unfortunately,
after hours of phone calls, we've been able to acquire only 9 copies
of the text because it's in the process of being reissued by M.E. Sharpe
and the new edition won't be ready until the end of the month.  The
publisher has been obliging and admirably cooperative, but could only
come up with its last few copies.
Does anyone have ANY paperback copies at all?  If you do, I shall be happy
(ne to slovo!) to pay the cost of the book and all shipping costs if
you'd be willing to send me your copies.  Or, if that's your preference,
I'd buy the new edition and mail it to yu as soon as it's out.  It's a
trifle difficult to conduct a class with 7 students using one text....
If you're able and willing, please apprise me via Email and ship the book
to me at 1015 Portland St., Pittsburgh PA 15206, stating which of the
above options you prefer.
Most gratefully, Helena Goscilo
Note--this is NOT an ad, but an appeal from the edge of the academic abyss


From merriman at merriman.com  Thu Jan  4 17:33:33 1996
From: merriman at merriman.com (Robert H. Merriman)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 12:33:33 -0500
Subject: email to/from Russia
Message-ID: <THU.4.JAN.1996.123333.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

While it is true that there are, at least, five coding standards
used on Russian computers, only one, KOI8, is widely used for
email.

KOI8 was specifically designed for use on widely distributed
networks like the Internet where there existed the possibility
that a message would pass through a seven bit mailer and the 8th
bit would be lost in transmission.  Since all Russian coding sys-
tems place the Cyrillic characters in the area above ASCII 128,
where the 8th bit is essential, the loss of the 8th bit would
mean that the character represented by the code would shift 128
possitions lower in the coding scheme.  KOI8 places the Cyrillic
characters exactly 128 characters above the Latin phonetic equi-
valent.  The result is that if a message passes through a 7 bit
host anywhere along its journey between sender and recipient and
the 8th bit is stripped off, every character in the message will
shift 128 characters lower in the scale to the Latin phonetic
equivalent of the original Cyrillic character.  This makes the
message difficult but not impossible to read.  PECTOPAH would
become RESTORAN.  ALL other Cyrillic coding schemes would render
something that was total garbage.

The original reason for this has now become somewhat moot as most
Russian networks now support 8 bit communications as opposed to
the early systems that only supported 7 bit comms.  However, KOI8
has become so firmly entrenched as THE standard for email that I
wouldn't expect it to be replaced anytime soon.

Accordingly, if you use a KOI8 keyboard/screen driver for whatever
platform you happen to be using, you will probably never run into
a problem with email to and from Russia.  You can then communicate
in Russian just as easily as you communicate in English.  There is
no need for additional steps.

Regards,
Bob

At 09:36 PM 12/26/95 EST, you wrote:
>....
>But the most prominent problem is the plethora of "standards" available;
>the parties would have to agreed ahead of time which fonts they would use
>in the encoding - and there are 5 (yes, five) standards to choose from:
>KOI8r, KOI-8 ukrainian, CP-866 (Codepage 866, Alternative PC choice),
>CP-1251 (MS-Windows), and Apple Cyrillic (Macintosh, of course).  Encoding
>two different standards would be next to useless ...
>....

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From FESZCZAK at EMAIL.CHOP.EDU  Thu Jan  4 22:09:07 1996
From: FESZCZAK at EMAIL.CHOP.EDU (Zenon M. Feszczak)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 17:09:07 -0500
Subject: KOI8 standards (was - email to and from Russia)
Message-ID: <THU.4.JAN.1996.170907.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

>KOI8r, KOI-8 ukrainian

Does anyone know of a document (hopefully available
over the airwaves) detailing the differences between
these two encodings?
Or is this KOI-8 Ukrainian simply a de facto standard?

The version of KOI8  worked out for the ER Fonts
(hats off to Gavin Helf, wherever he may roam)
supports Ukrainian without alienating Russian speakers,
or, conversely, supports Russian without alienating
Ukrainian speakers, both of which tasks are
rare enough accomplishments in the non-virtual world.

The question is whether this conforms to the above
mentioned KOI-8 Ukrainian and/or KOI-8r (which I
assume to be what people common refer to as KOI-8).

Anyone?

Zenon M. Feszczak
University of PanSlavenia


From merriman at merriman.com  Thu Jan  4 23:54:33 1996
From: merriman at merriman.com (Robert H. Merriman)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:54:33 -0500
Subject: KOI8 standards (was - email to and from Russia)
Message-ID: <THU.4.JAN.1996.185433.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

If you are on any machine that can display Cyrillic AND run
BASIC.  The following three line basic program should accomplish
what your want fairly easily.

  10 FOR I = 128 TO 255
  20 PRINT I;" ";CHR$(I);"    ";
  30 NEXT I

This should generate a table of all characters above ASCII 128
where both KOI8 (Russian and Ukrainian) characters lie and the
character code number that caused the character to be generated.
You can use the same program with any screen/keyboard driver to
see where the characters from any coding scheme lie.  If you are
using Windows fonts, you can look at these in the character map
found under "Accessories".  Sorry, but I don't know Apples.  If
you have a problem with the program, let me know and I'll check
further.  I run Windows NT and haven't actually used this little
program in several years.  It served me well when I was trying
to better understand Cyrillic coding schemes and I believe I
remember it correctly.

BTW, if you have a Cyrillic printer driver with a coding scheme
that matches your keyboard/screen driver, you can substitute the
word LPRINT for PRINT and the results of this program will be
printed on your printer.

Regards,
Bob


At 05:09 PM 1/4/96 -0500, you wrote:
>>KOI8r, KOI-8 ukrainian
>
>Does anyone know of a document (hopefully available
>over the airwaves) detailing the differences between
>these two encodings?
>Or is this KOI-8 Ukrainian simply a de facto standard?
>
____________________________________________________________________
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 P. O. Box 219          Science & Technology    (301)725-2006/voice
 Laurel, MD  20725    Business, Economics, Law    (301)725-2007/fax


From NEMESIS at TRYZUB.com  Thu Jan  4 23:08:34 1996
From: NEMESIS at TRYZUB.com (Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 19:08:34 -0400
Subject: KOI8 standards (was - email to and from Russia)
Message-ID: <THU.4.JAN.1996.190834.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

At 17:09 1/4/96, Zenon M. Feszczak wrote:

>>KOI8r, KOI-8 ukrainian
>
>Does anyone know of a document (hopefully available
>over the airwaves) detailing the differences between
>these two encodings?
>Or is this KOI-8 Ukrainian simply a de facto standard?
It basically is (due to Russia being a colonial power) based
on the Russian KOI-8.

>The version of KOI8  worked out for the ER Fonts
>(hats off to Gavin Helf, wherever he may roam)
>supports Ukrainian without alienating Russian speakers,
>or, conversely, supports Russian without alienating
>Ukrainian speakers, both of which tasks are
>rare enough accomplishments in the non-virtual world.
Yup.

>
>The question is whether this conforms to the above
>mentioned KOI-8 Ukrainian and/or KOI-8r (which I
>assume to be what people common refer to as KOI-8).

Here's some technical info from the Ukrainian Library
in Moscow (great chaps when I visited them!):

From: libukr at glas.apc.org
Newsgroups: soc.culture.ukrainian
Date: 20 Mar 95 22:07 GMT+0300
Subject: Ukrainian letters ASCII codes

Dear friends!
I'll try to give you the information about
Ukrainian language ASCII codes, providing
that you are able to create the driver for your system,
that is not IBM compatible.

Ukrainian letter      small CAPITAL     English prononciation analog
                                        (the sounding letter is made Capital )

        a              160      128                         bUt
        b              161      129                         But
        v              162      130                         Very
        gh             163      131                         Great+Hi
        g              243      242                         Great
        d              164      132                         Dear
        e              165      133                         At
        ye             245      244                         YEt
        dz             166      134                         Journal
        z              167      135                         Zebra
        y              168      136                         [hard, not soft I]
        i              247      246                         hEre
        ii             249      248                         heroIne
        yi             169      137                         staY
        k              170      138                         Kill
        l              171      139                         Last
        m              172      140                         Meet
        n              173      141                         Now
        o              174      142                         cOw
        p              175      143                         Post
        r              224      144                         Road
        s              225      145                         Sport
        t              226      146                         Time
        u              227      147                         tOO
        f              228      148                         Free
        kh             229      149                         Here
        c              230      150                         TSar
        ch             231      151                         CHase
        sh             232      152                         Sure
        sch            233      153                         SHake
        yu             238      158                         Use
        ya             239      159                         YArd
        '              236      156                         [myaghkyi znak]


From pyz at panix.com  Fri Jan  5 14:15:45 1996
From: pyz at panix.com (Max Pyziur)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 09:15:45 -0500
Subject: KOI8 standards (was - email to and from Russia)
Message-ID: <FRI.5.JAN.1996.091545.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

>At 17:09 1/4/96, Zenon M. Feszczak wrote:
>
>>>KOI8r, KOI-8 ukrainian
>>
>>Does anyone know of a document (hopefully available
>>over the airwaves) detailing the differences between
>>these two encodings?
>>Or is this KOI-8 Ukrainian simply a de facto standard?
>It basically is (due to Russia being a colonial power) based
>on the Russian KOI-8.
>
>>The version of KOI8  worked out for the ER Fonts
>>(hats off to Gavin Helf, wherever he may roam)
>>supports Ukrainian without alienating Russian speakers,
>>or, conversely, supports Russian without alienating
>>Ukrainian speakers, both of which tasks are
>>rare enough accomplishments in the non-virtual world.
>Yup.
>
>>
>>The question is whether this conforms to the above
>>mentioned KOI-8 Ukrainian and/or KOI-8r (which I
>>assume to be what people common refer to as KOI-8).
>
>Here's some technical info from the Ukrainian Library
>in Moscow (great chaps when I visited them!):
>
>From: libukr at glas.apc.org
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.ukrainian
>Date: 20 Mar 95 22:07 GMT+0300
>Subject: Ukrainian letters ASCII codes
>
>Dear friends!
>I'll try to give you the information about
>Ukrainian language ASCII codes, providing
>that you are able to create the driver for your system,
>that is not IBM compatible.


This is nice information Bohdane, but it doesn't apply to Zenon's question.
This is a coding scheme for CP866 rather than one for KOI8.

Max
pyz at panix.com

>
>Ukrainian letter      small CAPITAL     English prononciation analog
>                                        (the sounding letter is made Capital )
>
>        a              160      128                         bUt
>        b              161      129                         But
>        v              162      130                         Very
>        gh             163      131                         Great+Hi
>        g              243      242                         Great
>        d              164      132                         Dear
>        e              165      133                         At
>        ye             245      244                         YEt
>        dz             166      134                         Journal
>        z              167      135                         Zebra
>        y              168      136                         [hard, not soft I]
>        i              247      246                         hEre
>        ii             249      248                         heroIne
>        yi             169      137                         staY
>        k              170      138                         Kill
>        l              171      139                         Last
>        m              172      140                         Meet
>        n              173      141                         Now
>        o              174      142                         cOw
>        p              175      143                         Post
>        r              224      144                         Road
>        s              225      145                         Sport
>        t              226      146                         Time
>        u              227      147                         tOO
>        f              228      148                         Free
>        kh             229      149                         Here
>        c              230      150                         TSar
>        ch             231      151                         CHase
>        sh             232      152                         Sure
>        sch            233      153                         SHake
>        yu             238      158                         Use
>        ya             239      159                         YArd
>        '              236      156                         [myaghkyi znak]
>
>


From NEMESIS at TRYZUB.com  Fri Jan  5 14:32:25 1996
From: NEMESIS at TRYZUB.com (Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 10:32:25 -0400
Subject: KOI8 standards (was - email to and from Russia)
Message-ID: <FRI.5.JAN.1996.103225.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

At 9:15 1/5/96, Max Pyziur wrote:

>>At 17:09 1/4/96, Zenon M. Feszczak wrote:
>>
>>>>KOI8r, KOI-8 ukrainian
>>>
>>>Does anyone know of a document (hopefully available
>>>over the airwaves) detailing the differences between
>>>these two encodings?
>>>Or is this KOI-8 Ukrainian simply a de facto standard?
>>It basically is (due to Russia being a colonial power) based
>>on the Russian KOI-8.
>>
>>>The version of KOI8  worked out for the ER Fonts
>>>(hats off to Gavin Helf, wherever he may roam)
>>>supports Ukrainian without alienating Russian speakers,
>>>or, conversely, supports Russian without alienating
>>>Ukrainian speakers, both of which tasks are
>>>rare enough accomplishments in the non-virtual world.
>>Yup.
>>
>>>
>>>The question is whether this conforms to the above
>>>mentioned KOI-8 Ukrainian and/or KOI-8r (which I
>>>assume to be what people common refer to as KOI-8).
>>
>>Here's some technical info from the Ukrainian Library
>>in Moscow (great chaps when I visited them!):
>>
>>From: libukr at glas.apc.org
>>Newsgroups: soc.culture.ukrainian
>>Date: 20 Mar 95 22:07 GMT+0300
>>Subject: Ukrainian letters ASCII codes
>>
>>Dear friends!
>>I'll try to give you the information about
>>Ukrainian language ASCII codes, providing
>>that you are able to create the driver for your system,
>>that is not IBM compatible.
>
>
>This is nice information Bohdane, but it doesn't apply to Zenon's question.
>This is a coding scheme for CP866 rather than one for KOI8.
>
>Max
>putz at panix.com


So, provide it then.  Contribute.  Your prior input is a waste of bandwidth.



                                Bohdan Petro Rekshyns'kyj


From fsciacca at itsmail1.hamilton.edu  Fri Jan  5 16:57:14 1996
From: fsciacca at itsmail1.hamilton.edu (Franklin A. Sciacca)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 12:57:14 -0400
Subject: SEELANGS Digest - 3 Jan 1996 to 4 Jan 1996
Message-ID: <FRI.5.JAN.1996.125714.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Could anyone send instructions on how (and from what web site) to download
KOI8 so that Russian texts appear in Russian?  I've tried following a
variety of instructions (with assistance from our Tech service)- but
nothing seems to work.

Big thanks, Frank Sciacca


From FESZCZAK at EMAIL.CHOP.EDU  Fri Jan  5 18:10:32 1996
From: FESZCZAK at EMAIL.CHOP.EDU (Zenon M. Feszczak)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 13:10:32 -0500
Subject: SEELANGS Digest - 3 Jan 1996 to 4 Jan 1996 -Reply
Message-ID: <FRI.5.JAN.1996.131032.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

>>>>>>>>>>
Could anyone send instructions on how (and from what web site) to download
KOI8 so that Russian texts appear in Russian?  I've tried following a variety of
 instructions (with assistance from our Tech service)- but nothing seems to
 work.

Big thanks, Frank Sciacca

<<<<<<<<<<

What platform and browser (and version) are you using?
The browser probably isn't configured properly.

Zenon M. Feszczak
Universalist


From sforres1 at swarthmore.edu  Fri Jan  5 18:38:37 1996
From: sforres1 at swarthmore.edu (Sibelan Forrester)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 13:38:37 -0500
Subject: KOI8 standards (was - email to and from Russia)
Message-ID: <FRI.5.JAN.1996.133837.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

3EHOHE,

Well, darn it all -- I saw your name in the in box and thought it would be
an actual message.  Not that I'd expect anyone to be writing to me about
K0I8, but nikogda ne znaesh'...

Hope you got through this last storm unfined.


Vsoho najkrashchoho (that about right?),

SF
(the virtual incarnation of San Francisco)


From taylor+ at OSU.EDU  Sat Jan  6 07:23:43 1996
From: taylor+ at OSU.EDU (L. Douglas Taylor)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 02:23:43 EST
Subject: SEELANGS Digest - 3 Jan 1996 to 4 Jan 1996
Message-ID: <SAT.6.JAN.1996.022343.EST.>

>Could anyone send instructions on how (and from what web site) to download
>KOI8 so that Russian texts appear in Russian?  I've tried following a
>variety of instructions (with assistance from our Tech service)- but
>nothing seems to work.
>
>Big thanks, Frank Sciacca

Hi, Frank!

There are two sites I would suggest giving a peek at to get a better
understanding of this KOI-8 mess, especially when using a Web browser ...

<http://www.nar.com/tag/koi8_explained.html>
This page explains how to alter Netscape to read KOI-8 for Windows, and
provides links to sites to get KOI-8 fonts.

<http://www.pitt.edu/~mapst57/rus/russian.html>
This page is the ultimate in explaining how to setup up virtually all
things Macintosh to read and write KOI-8/Russian (as well as Mac Cyrillic).

Give both these pages a look, and they, in theory, should help you better
understand what's going on ...


--
 We cross our bridges when we come to them,  | Lance Douglas Taylor
 And burn them behind us, leaving us with    | taylor+ at osu.edu
 nothing but the memory of the smell of      |
 smoke, and the presumption that once our    | Just another meerkat in the
 eyes watered ... - Rosencrantz              | electronic jungle ...


From gfowler at indiana.edu  Sat Jan  6 20:52:37 1996
From: gfowler at indiana.edu (George Fowler)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 15:52:37 -0500
Subject: Updated list of Slavic linguists' email addresses
Message-ID: <SAT.6.JAN.1996.155237.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Greetings!
     A couple of times a year I like to remind SEELangers how they can
obtain the Slavic linguistics email address list I maintain. Not
coincidentally, I have just updated it thoroughly, incorporating the list
of people giving papers at the Formal Description of Slavic Languages
conference in Leipzig in Nov-Dec, 1995 (thanks to Martina Lindseth for
providing that list). It can be obtained via anonymous ftp at

ftp://ftp.pitt.edu/dept/slavic/download/slavic_linguists

or via WWW from a link in David Birnbaum's Slavic Languages page:

http://www.pitt.edu/~djbpitt/slavic.html

I welcome additions and corrections to the list. In particular, I am
anxious to have the most universal form of addresses (e.g.,
gfowler at indiana.edu instead of gfowler at copper.ucs.indiana.edu, which is the
specific machine I most frequently use for mail service). I am also keen on
obtaining European and Russian addresses, which are very poorly represented
in this list (although the current list is rather better on European
Slavists than previous editions).

George Fowler

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
George Fowler                    [Email]  gfowler at indiana.edu
Dept. of Slavic Languages        [Home]   1-317-726-1482  **Try here first**
Ballantine 502                   [Dept]   1-812-855-9906/-2624/-2608
Indiana University               [Office] 1-812-855-2829
Bloomington, IN  47405  USA      [Fax]    1-812-855-2107
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


From merriman at merriman.com  Sun Jan  7 14:54:36 1996
From: merriman at merriman.com (Robert H. Merriman)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 09:54:36 -0500
Subject: KOI8 standards (was - email to and from Russia)
Message-ID: <SUN.7.JAN.1996.095436.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Please see http://funnelweb.utcc.utk.edu/~isandler/cyrtab for
a comparative table of various Cyrillic coding schemes.  Un-
fortunately, KOI8-Ukrainian is not one of those listed.  It is
my understanding that KOI8u is based on KOI8r and adds those
special characters unique to the Ukrainian language.  Since
I don't speak Ukrainian, I could be wrong about this.

Regards,
Bob
____________________________________________________________________
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From richard at ic.redline.ru  Tue Jan  9 07:21:02 1996
From: richard at ic.redline.ru (Richard Smith)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 02:21:02 EST
Subject: Russian in Russia newsletter
Message-ID: <TUE.9.JAN.1996.022102.EST.>

Tver InterContact Group Proudly Announces the First Issue
of its New Newsletter, Russian in Russia!
***************************************************************

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From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Tue Jan  9 13:37:21 1996
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 08:37:21 -0500
Subject: Russian in Russia
Message-ID: <TUE.9.JAN.1996.083721.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I was forwarded information about a new journal called Russian in Russia
and from the description it sounds like it is aimed at students,
teachers, and administrators of all levels of Russian study (language and
area studies as well).  Since I don't want to spread advertising muck
about, please send me a message if you'd like me to forward this
information to you.

Devin

___________________________________________________________________________
Devin P. Browne                                   Clairton Education Center
Foreign Language Teacher                                 501 Waddell Avenue
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu                                      Clairton, PA  15025
                                                             (412) 233-9200


From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Tue Jan  9 13:39:26 1996
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 08:39:26 -0500
Subject: Russians in Lakeside District (fwd)
Message-ID: <TUE.9.JAN.1996.083926.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 1996 16:14:32 -0900
From: Michele Whaley <MWhaley+ at mail.asd.k12.ak.us>
To: Multiple recipients of list FLTEACH <FLTEACH at UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU>
Subject: Russians in Lakeside District

Dear List,

Are there teachers of Russian in Lakeside District who could tutor a
student for a semester's credit?

I have had a phone conversation today with a former student and her
parents. They left our school in late December to move to San Diego, where
she is registered in the Lakeside District public school system.

Because the girl has had one and one-half years of Russian, and cannot find
courses in her district to finish her two years, the parents wanted me to
provide her a correspondence course. The principal of the school said that
would be fine as long as I could also "transcript" the course (whatever
that means!).

The parents pointed out that their daughter cannot enter any of the nearby
colleges without two years of language study (to which I say, "Yeah,
colleges! Keep it up!") and she does not want to start over.

Although I sympathize deeply with the family's problems, I don't believe
that I can teach from Alaska. I said that I would ask the experts on
FLTEACH, and that if the family would send their e-mail address, I would
forward responses. I am hoping that someone here can suggest a resource.

Ah! The mail bell went off. Here is the note the parents just sent:

>Mrs. Whaley,
>  As requested here is our information for you to respond to when you are able
>to locate a Russian tutor for Denise.  I really hope we can work something out
>because Denise has all the other requirements met and really wants to continue
>on in Russian.

>Thanks,
>Kathy & Skip Sage

Thanks in advance for any and all suggestions.

Michele Whaley










Michele Whaley
East High School
4025 East Northern Lights Blvd.
Anchorage, AK 99508
907-263-1297


From brifkin at facstaff.wisc.edu  Tue Jan  9 16:39:45 1996
From: brifkin at facstaff.wisc.edu (Benjamin Rifkin)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 10:39:45 -0600
Subject: surfing the web in/for Russian class
Message-ID: <TUE.9.JAN.1996.103945.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I'm teaching two one-hour/week enrichment classes for students of Russian
at the first- and second-year levels (at the university level) and would
like to assign students to explore the world wide web for sites connected
to Russian language and culture.  I'm not particularly interested in
assigning students to look at particular web sites, as I'd rather have them
find things on their own.  Does anyone know of a particularly good way to
incorporate such tasks as part of a homework assignment and how one could
design the tasks to get students excited about surfing the web?  I'd also
appreciate any tips on how to design speaking or writing tasks reporting on
the web sites they find and how to assess student performance on these
tasks.  Thanks for any help.  If people respond to me individually, I will
summarize responses and post them to the list.

**********************************
Benjamin Rifkin
Department of Slavic Languages & Literatures
University of Wisconsin-Madison
1432 Van Hise Hall, 1220 Linden Drive, Madison, WI  53706
(608) 262-1623; fax (608) 265-2814
e-mail:  brifkin at facstaff.wisc.edu


From mozdzier at gwis2.circ.gwu.edu  Tue Jan  9 20:56:12 1996
From: mozdzier at gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Barbara Mozdzierz)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 15:56:12 -0500
Subject: Russian in Russia
In-Reply-To: <Pine.3.89.9601090809.A1666-0100000@unixs2.cis.pitt.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.9.JAN.1996.155612.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Please forward the info about Russian in Russia.
mozdzier at gwis2.circ.gwu.edu


From dkbain at mgu-usa.org  Thu Jan 11 16:04:20 1996
From: dkbain at mgu-usa.org (David K. Bain)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 12:04:20 -0400
Subject: Cash Reward for Bulat Okudjava's "Nye Brodyagai"
Message-ID: <THU.11.JAN.1996.120420.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

We're desperately looking for a recording of Bulat Okudjava's "Nye
Brodyagai" song. If anyone has access to this and can send a copy, I will
send you 20 bucks for your postage and your trouble.

So ctarim novim godom,
David Bain
dkbain at mgu-usa.org


From katsaros at AC.GRIN.EDU  Fri Jan 12 18:27:19 1996
From: katsaros at AC.GRIN.EDU (Elena Katsaros)
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:27:19 -0600
Subject: Cash Reward for Bulat Okudjava's "Nye Brodyagai"
Message-ID: <FRI.12.JAN.1996.122719.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I have the song you are interested in. Actually, the spelling would be Ne
brodyagi, there is no "a" in the ending. If you are still interested, send
me your address.

Elena Katsaros

Russian Department
Grinnell College
Katsaros at ac.grin.edu


From katsaros at AC.GRIN.EDU  Fri Jan 12 18:28:44 1996
From: katsaros at AC.GRIN.EDU (Elena Katsaros)
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:28:44 -0600
Subject: Cash Reward for Bulat Okudjava's "Nye Brodyagai"
Message-ID: <FRI.12.JAN.1996.122844.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

David,

If you are still interested in that song, please send me your address.

Elena Katsaros

Russian Department
Grinnell College
Katsaros at ac.grin.edu


From jkautz at u.washington.edu  Sun Jan 14 03:26:54 1996
From: jkautz at u.washington.edu (Joseph Kautz)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 19:26:54 -0800
Subject: Russian Scrabble Controversy
In-Reply-To: <v0153050eac7d1c705129@[128.186.85.129]>
Message-ID: <SAT.13.JAN.1996.192654.0800.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Dear Colleagues and fellow Scrabble players,
        A minor brawl broke out at my place this weekend over the rules
of Russian Scrabble.  The rules state that any word found in a "standard
dictionary" are allowed.  Some players felt that only dictionary forms
i.e. nouns and adjectives in nominative case and infinitives should be
allowed.  I argued that these rules were simply translated directly from
the English version with no consideration for Russian's rich
inflectional morphology.  I argued that any grammatical word form
(excluding proper nouns and hyphenated words) should be allowed.  e.g.
past tense forms, verbal adverbs, oblique pronoun, adj, noun forms, etc.
        It was interesting that the native speakers of Russian were the
most zealous in NOT allowing for non-citation forms like verbal adverbs,
gen. plurals, etc.  All hell broke loose when I attempted to lay the
word "sn'av" - (having removed).
        Does anyone know the tournament rules?  All opinions will be
appreciated.  Joseph Kautz   - jkautz at u.washington.edu


From robp at bga.com  Sun Jan 14 07:01:51 1996
From: robp at bga.com (Robert C. Parker)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 01:01:51 -0600
Subject: Russian Scrabble Controversy
Message-ID: <SUN.14.JAN.1996.010151.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

>Dear Colleagues and fellow Scrabble players,
>        A minor brawl broke out at my place this weekend over the rules
>of Russian Scrabble.  The rules state that any word found in a "standard
>dictionary" are allowed.  Some players felt that only dictionary forms

Well, I brought the Czech version of Scrabble back from Prague, and its
rules are definitely localized, not just translated.
Allowable words are
1. Nouns in the nominative sing. & plural, eg ZENA, ZENY
2. Adjectives in the nominative, eg CERNY, CERNA, CERNE, CERNI
3. Nouns conjugated in the present for all six persons, eg
   NESU, NESES, NESE, NESEM(E), NESETE, NESOU
4. Imperitive forms sing and plural NES, NESTE
(examples taken straight from the rules--without haceks and carkas)
And nothing else is allowed.  As you said, it was the native speakers
who argued against me that nouns in the other cases, past tense of verbs,
etc., should not be allowed.  They said it would be too complicated.

So, I know that's not the tournament rules for Russian Scrabble, but it's
my 2 Crowns or Rubles,.....

Rob
PS, Czech speakers in the Austin, TX area, we should grab some pivo and
play some Skrablik some time soon.....
------------           |
Robert C. Parker       | I... WILL... TAKE... YOUR...
WWW: www.bga.com/~robp | LITERATURE... AND... GIVE...
robp at bga.com           | IT... TO... MY... MASTER


From rbeard at bucknell.edu  Sun Jan 14 15:02:09 1996
From: rbeard at bucknell.edu (Robert Beard)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 10:02:09 -0500
Subject: Russian Scrabble Controversy
Message-ID: <SUN.14.JAN.1996.100209.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

My impression is that any grammatical form is acceptable; most Russians I've
played with allow this.  However, my friends in St. Petersburg feel that the
game is too easy with the rules so lax so they frequently impose their own
rules over those of Parker Brothers. I once played a game in St. Petersburg
where only adjectives were allowed and everyone complained that it still was
too easy; someone therefore proposed that the next time they play only
prepositions be allowed!  I think the Russian intellectuals may be
accustomed to self-imposed restrictions.
-------------------------------------------------------------
Robert Beard                              Bucknell University
Russian & Linguistics Programs            Lewisburg, PA 17837
rbeard at bucknell.edu                              717-524-1336
Russian Program   http://www.bucknell.edu/departments/russian
Morphology on Internet        http://www.bucknell.edu/~rbeard
-------------------------------------------------------------


From rbeard at bucknell.edu  Sun Jan 14 15:18:51 1996
From: rbeard at bucknell.edu (Robert Beard)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 10:18:51 -0500
Subject: Directory of Slavic Websites
Message-ID: <SUN.14.JAN.1996.101851.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Roman Liebov has opened a website containing links to all the Slavic
departments in the world.  While it is still under construction, it already
contains most of those in the US and many elsewhere.  The URL is:

http://www.cs.ut.ee/~roman_l/rusweb.html
-------------------------------------------------------------
Robert Beard                              Bucknell University
Russian & Linguistics Programs            Lewisburg, PA 17837
rbeard at bucknell.edu                              717-524-1336
Russian Program   http://www.bucknell.edu/departments/russian
Morphology on Internet        http://www.bucknell.edu/~rbeard
-------------------------------------------------------------


From pyz at panix.com  Sun Jan 14 16:09:47 1996
From: pyz at panix.com (Max Pyziur)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 11:09:47 -0500
Subject: Looking for info about Translation Experts
Message-ID: <SUN.14.JAN.1996.110947.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Someone sent me some groovy Windows based software which does conversions
between different Cyrillic codings.  One product converts text files; the
other converts wordprocessing files.  The first one delivers very well; in
fact you can go in and edit the different coding conversion schemes, say 866
to 1251, 1251 to KOI8, etc.  I can't seem to get the second program to
deliver on its promises.

>>From what I can pick out the name of the company is Translation Experts and
they have the following coordinates:

Translation Experts USA
Post Office Box 18035
Denver, Colorado 80218-0035


Translation Experts Ltd.
2 Laverton Place
London SW5 OHJ
Great Britain

Would anyone have more information, as in phone numbers and email addresses,
and whether or not these folks have a catalog complete with prices?


Max Pyziur
pyz at panix.com


From mitrege at mail.auburn.edu  Sun Jan 14 17:12:12 1996
From: mitrege at mail.auburn.edu (George Mitrevski)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 1996 11:12:12 -0600
Subject: Directory of Slavic Websites
Message-ID: <SUN.14.JAN.1996.111212.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Robert,

This is the error message I got when I tried to connect to
>
>http://www.cs.ut.ee/~roman_l/rusweb.html
------------
403 Forbidden

Your client does not have permission to get URL - can't find you. You don't
exist, go
away from this server.

--------

George Mitrevski

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From dkbain at mgu-usa.org  Mon Jan 15 14:48:12 1996
From: dkbain at mgu-usa.org (David K. Bain)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 10:48:12 -0400
Subject: Cash Reward for Bulat Okudjava's "Nye Brodyagai"
Message-ID: <MON.15.JAN.1996.104812.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

>David,
>
>If you are still interested in that song, please send me your address.
>
>Elena Katsaros
>
>Russian Department
>Grinnell College
>Katsaros at ac.grin.edu

Privyet Elena!.  Someone else already emailed and said that would try to
send it. You never know about these things, though. If I don't receive it
within a couple of weeks from the other person, I will contact you. Thank
you very much for responding!

David Bain

Moscow State University, US Office


From mitrege at mail.auburn.edu  Mon Jan 15 16:31:50 1996
From: mitrege at mail.auburn.edu (George Mitrevski)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 10:31:50 -0600
Subject: CLINTON DEPLOYS VOWELS TO BOSNIA (fwd)
Message-ID: <MON.15.JAN.1996.103150.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

NEWSFLASH

CLINTON DEPLOYS VOWELS TO BOSNIA

Cities of Sjlbvdnzv, Grzny to be First Recipients

Before an emergency joint session of Congress yesterday, President Clinton
announced US plans to deploy over 75,000 vowels to the war-torn region of
Bosnia.  The deployment, the largest of its kind in American history, will
provide the region with the critically needed letters A, E, I, O, and U, and
is hoped to rend countless Bosnian names more pronounceable.

"For six years, we have stood by while names like Ygrjvslhv and Tzlnhr and
Glrm have been horribly butchered by millions around the world," Clinton
said.  Today, the United States must finally stand up and say 'Enough.'  It
is time the people of Bosnia finally had some vowels in their
incomprehensible words.  The US is proud to lead the crusade in this noble
endeavor."

The deployment, dubbed "Operation Vowel Storm" by the State Department,
is set for early next week, with the Adriatic port cities of Sjlbvdnzv and
Grzny slated to be the first recipients.  Two C-130 transport planes, each
carrying over 500 24-count boxes of "E's" will fly from Andrews Air Force
Base across the Atlantic, and airdrop the letter over the cities.

Citizens of Grzny and Sjlbvdnzv eagerly await the arrival of the vowels.

"My God, I do not think we can last another day," Trszg Grzdnjkln, 44, said.
 "I have six children and none of them has a name that is understandable to
me or to anyone else.  Mr. Clinton, please send my poor, wretched family
just
one 'E,' please!"

Said Sjlbvdnzv resident Grg Hmphrs, 67:  "With just a few key letters, I
could be George Humphries.  This is my dream."

The airdrop represents the largest deployment of any letter to a foreign
country since 1984.  During the summer of that year, the US shipped 92,000
consonants to Ethiopia, providing cities like Ouaouaua, Eaoiiaue, and Aao
with vital, life-giving supplies of L's, S's and T's.

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Auburn University
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From Mirjana_Dedaic at SEUR.VOA.GOV  Mon Jan 15 17:37:03 1996
From: Mirjana_Dedaic at SEUR.VOA.GOV (Mima Dedaic)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 12:37:03 -0500
Subject: CLINTON DEPLOYS VOWELS TO BOSNIA (fwd)
In-Reply-To: TCPG1:BOPS:VOA's message <15-Jan-96 12:17:04 EST>
Message-ID: <MON.15.JAN.1996.123703.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Sir,

Yes, the bloodshed  is taking place in both Chechnya and Bosnia, but they are
 still not the same (misfortunes are always different, says tolstoy), and  I
 believe that it is merely an accident that you mixed the two.

However, there is some humor in the text.


All best.
Mima Dedaic


From hbaran at ios.com  Mon Jan 15 17:39:47 1996
From: hbaran at ios.com (Henryk Baran)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 12:39:47 -0500
Subject: CLINTON DEPLOYS VOWELS TO BOSNIA (fwd)
Message-ID: <MON.15.JAN.1996.123947.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

On Monday, January 15, 1996 11:31 AM, George
Mitrevski[SMTP:mitrege at mail.auburn.edu] wrote:
>NEWSFLASH
>
>CLINTON DEPLOYS VOWELS TO BOSNIA
>
>Cities of Sjlbvdnzv, Grzny to be First Recipients
>
>Before an emergency joint session of Congress yesterday, President Clinton
>announced US plans to deploy over 75,000 vowels to the war-torn region of
>Bosnia.  The deployment, the largest of its kind in American history, will
>provide the region with the critically needed letters A, E, I, O, and U,
and
>is hoped to rend countless Bosnian names more pronounceable.
>
>"For six years, we have stood by while names like Ygrjvslhv and Tzlnhr and
>Glrm have been horribly butchered by millions around the world," Clinton
>said.  Today, the United States must finally stand up and say 'Enough.'
 It
>is time the people of Bosnia finally had some vowels in their
>incomprehensible words.  The US is proud to lead the crusade in this noble
>endeavor."
>
>The deployment, dubbed "Operation Vowel Storm" by the State Department,
>is set for early next week, with the Adriatic port cities of Sjlbvdnzv and
>Grzny slated to be the first recipients.  Two C-130 transport planes, each
>carrying over 500 24-count boxes of "E's" will fly from Andrews Air Force
>Base across the Atlantic, and airdrop the letter over the cities.
>
>Citizens of Grzny and Sjlbvdnzv eagerly await the arrival of the vowels.
>
>"My God, I do not think we can last another day," Trszg Grzdnjkln, 44,
said.
> "I have six children and none of them has a name that is understandable
to
>me or to anyone else.  Mr. Clinton, please send my poor, wretched family
>just
>one 'E,' please!"
>
>Said Sjlbvdnzv resident Grg Hmphrs, 67:  "With just a few key letters, I
>could be George Humphries.  This is my dream."
>
>The airdrop represents the largest deployment of any letter to a foreign
>country since 1984.  During the summer of that year, the US shipped 92,000
>consonants to Ethiopia, providing cities like Ouaouaua, Eaoiiaue, and Aao
>with vital, life-giving supplies of L's, S's and T's.
>
>**************************************************************************
>Dr. George Mitrevski                    office: 334-844-6376
>Foreign Languages                          fax: 334-844-6378
>6030 Haley Center                       e-mail: mitrege at mail.auburn.edu
>Auburn University
>Auburn, AL 36849-5204
>
>Macedonian Information Almanac: http://www.auburn.edu/~mitrege/macedonia/
>**************************************************************************
>
>

I am undoubtedly missing something, but I fail to see the point of this
missive. Is it to underscore our leadership's lack of sensitivity to
foreign language issues? Or is it express opposition to the despatch of
troops to Bosnia?  If the former, I think the subject matter inappropriate
for levity; if the latter, I simply wish to register my support for this
action -- the only thing wrong with it is that it wasn't done a long time
ago.


Henryk Baran <hbaran at ios.com>
(201) 967-1593  (voice); (201) 967-8014 (fax)


From IDBSARC at MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU  Mon Jan 15 17:59:00 1996
From: IDBSARC at MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Andrew Corin)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 09:59:00 PST
Subject: Bosnia
Message-ID: <MON.15.JAN.1996.095900.PST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I too fail to connect the names given as illustrations to any I recognize
from Bosnia.  The more important point would be that Serbo-Croatian (or
whatever you wish to call it or them) is usually classified by linguists
as a  v o c a l i c  language!

     Andrew Corin


From BACELL00 at ukcc.uky.edu  Mon Jan 15 18:08:17 1996
From: BACELL00 at ukcc.uky.edu (Barbara A. Cellarius)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:08:17 EST
Subject: Intensive Summer Language Programs in Bulgarian
Message-ID: <MON.15.JAN.1996.130817.EST.>

Hello,
  I am interested in finding an intensive summer language program in
BULGARIAN for summer 1996 and wondered if anyone on this list could
point me in the direction of some. Programs with financial assistance
for grad students who need language training for their research would
be particularly attactive. I spent about a month last summer studying
Bulgarian in Bulgaria, which would probably put me somewhat above an
absolute beginner level. Since I'm not a member of this list, please
respond to me directly (e.g., if you reply to the list, I won't get
your response). My snailmail address is listed on my signature below.
My email address is bacell00 at ukcc.uky.edu (since it is a common source
of difficulty with my email address, I should note that the characters
after "bacell" are the number "zero", not the letter "oh"). Thanks
in advance for your assistance. Barbara Cellarius

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From borenstn at is2.nyu.edu  Mon Jan 15 18:42:59 1996
From: borenstn at is2.nyu.edu (Eliot Borenstein)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:42:59 -0500
Subject: The Great SEELANGS Vowel Controversy
Message-ID: <MON.15.JAN.1996.134259.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

At the risk of extending a thread that should probably be allowed to
unravel painlessly, I have to say that I think people might be taking the
"Vowels to Bosnia" post a wee bit too seriously.  Yes, the names in this
piece have nothing in common with Serbian/Croatian/Bosnian, but the article
was clearly written by a non-specialist and designed for non-specialists.
It was kindly forwarded to us by George Mitrevski, but we are certainly not
the original intended audience.

We have to recall that the average non-Slavist finds the names of
ex-Yugoslav towns completely daunting, and that many of the consonant
clusters are unfamiliar.  If the typical American's reaction to such names
is something along the lines of "I'd like to buy a vowel," who can blame
them?

In any case, this satire seems aimed more at America than at the Balkans.
If it pokes fun at anything, it's the US goverment's own self-importance
when it embarks on any sort of international program.  As a veteran of
George Bush's abysmal Russian aid program "Operation Provide Hope" (or, as
we called it, "Operation Provide Khaliava"), I can certainly relate.

Finally, as to the appropriateness of any attempt at humor relating to
Bosnia, the best source for such humor would probably be ... Sarajevo.  As
I recall, some Sarajevan journalists put together a tourist's guide to the
Bosnian capital, complete with local seige-inspired recipes.  Let's not let
the well-known irony of Yugoslav humor be another casualty of this war.

                                Eliot Borenstein
                                New York University


From rbeard at bucknell.edu  Mon Jan 15 20:41:32 1996
From: rbeard at bucknell.edu (Robert Beard)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:41:32 -0500
Subject: Directory of Slavic Websites
Message-ID: <MON.15.JAN.1996.154132.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

The error message sounds as if something is wrong with your configuration.
Alternatively, it might be Tartu's server; sometimes the computer geeks
think is is funny to emit misleading messages like that when the server is
simply working at capacity.  The server at Tartu is a little slow, but I get
through.  The URL is correct (I'm there now), however, I did mispell ROMAN
LEIBOV's name.

URL:  http://www.cs.ut.ee/~roman_l/rusweb.html

(copied from my bookmark list, which works).

>Robert,
>
>This is the error message I got when I tried to connect to
>>
>>http://www.cs.ut.ee/~roman_l/rusweb.html
>------------
>403 Forbidden
>
>Your client does not have permission to get URL - can't find you. You don't
>exist, go
>away from this server.
>
>--------
>
>George Mitrevski
>

-------------------------------------------------------------
Robert Beard                              Bucknell University
Russian & Linguistics Programs            Lewisburg, PA 17837
rbeard at bucknell.edu                              717-524-1336
Russian Program   http://www.bucknell.edu/departments/russian
Morphology on Internet        http://www.bucknell.edu/~rbeard
-------------------------------------------------------------


From merriman at merriman.com  Mon Jan 15 20:45:45 1996
From: merriman at merriman.com (Robert H. Merriman)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:45:45 -0500
Subject: Directory of Slavic Websites
Message-ID: <MON.15.JAN.1996.154545.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I don't think it's his server.  I get the same error message here too.

Regards,
Bob

At 03:41 PM 1/15/96 -0500, you wrote:
 > The error message sounds as if something is wrong with your configuration.
 > ....
____________________________________________________________________
 Robert H. Merriman       Russian Linguist    merriman at merriman.com
 P. O. Box 219          Science & Technology    (301)725-2006/voice
 Laurel, MD  20725    Business, Economics, Law    (301)725-2007/fax


From gfowler at indiana.edu  Mon Jan 15 21:01:26 1996
From: gfowler at indiana.edu (George Fowler)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 16:01:26 -0500
Subject: Directory of Slavic Websites
Message-ID: <MON.15.JAN.1996.160126.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Greetings!
     Robert Beard reports that he can reach the following URL with no
particular trouble:

http://www.cs.ut.ee/~roman_l/rusweb.html

At the same time, George Mitrevski reports getting the following
semi-funny, semi-irritating error message:

403 Forbidden

Your client does not have permission to get URL - can't find you. You don't
exist, go away from this server.



I think this must have to do with whether or not the request to visit the
page comes from a recognized DNS entry or not. For example, I just tried it
via Netscape from home, and got the dreaded Forbidden response. Without
changing my connection (PPP at 14.4K baud via modem), I logged into a unix
machine and accessed it through lynx. It accepted it this time ('course
it's in koi8, which is gobbledy-gook on lynx!). The difference must be that
it recognizes the unix host, but not my Mac, which has a
dynamically-assigned IP number that differs from session to session.

It would be interesting to try Netscape from a hard-wired Mac on our
campus; I'll do it the next time I'm there. In the meantime, I predict that
George tried from home, or at least via modem, while Bob tried from his
office via a hard-wired machine (which would have a fixed IP number).

My two cents' worth!

George Fowler

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
George Fowler                    [Email]  gfowler at indiana.edu
Dept. of Slavic Languages        [Home]   1-317-726-1482  **Try here first**
Ballantine 502                   [Dept]   1-812-855-9906/-2624/-2608
Indiana University               [Office] 1-812-855-2829
Bloomington, IN  47405  USA      [Fax]    1-812-855-2107
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


From K.R.Hauge at easteur-orient.uio.no  Mon Jan 15 20:07:13 1996
From: K.R.Hauge at easteur-orient.uio.no (Kjetil Raa Hauge)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 22:07:13 +0200
Subject: Directory of Slavic Websites
Message-ID: <MON.15.JAN.1996.220713.0200.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

George Fowler wrote:

>Greetings!
>     Robert Beard reports that he can reach the following URL with no
>particular trouble:
>
>http://www.cs.ut.ee/~roman_l/rusweb.html
>
>At the same time, George Mitrevski reports getting the following
>semi-funny, semi-irritating error message:
>
>403 Forbidden
>
>Your client does not have permission to get URL - can't find you. You don't
>exist, go away from this server.
>
>
>
>I think this must have to do with whether or not the request to visit the
>page comes from a recognized DNS entry or not. For example, I just tried it
>via Netscape from home, and got the dreaded Forbidden response. Without
>changing my connection (PPP at 14.4K baud via modem), I logged into a unix
>machine and accessed it through lynx. It accepted it this time ('course
>it's in koi8, which is gobbledy-gook on lynx!). The difference must be that
>it recognizes the unix host, but not my Mac, which has a
>dynamically-assigned IP number that differs from session to session.



It works fine from home here, with 14.4K bps and dynamically-assigned IP
numbers. But of course, there is so much less salt water between here and
Estonia...

-- Kjetil Raa Hauge, U. of Oslo. Phone +47/22856710, fax +47/22854140


From IDBSARC at MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU  Mon Jan 15 21:04:00 1996
From: IDBSARC at MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Andrew Corin)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 13:04:00 PST
Subject: Bosnia
Message-ID: <MON.15.JAN.1996.130400.PST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I do, of course, agree with Eliot Borenstein's assessment of the true
significance of the Bosnia vowel piece.  As this is a language and
literature list, and I am a teacher of Serbo-Croatian, surely I can
be allowed one last (actually semi-serious) note that what appear to be
nasty consonant clusters in Serbo-Croatian usually in fact are not.
Normally they involve a syllabic r (used as a vowel, rather than a
consonant) and the soft n', l', and j (yod) sounds, which are spelled
nj, lj, and j, respectively.  Serbo-Croatian doesn't really have any
especially nasty consonant clusters (from the point of view of a native
English speaker).

          Andrew Corin


From TOOPS at TWSUVM.UC.TWSU.EDU  Mon Jan 15 21:20:12 1996
From: TOOPS at TWSUVM.UC.TWSU.EDU (Gary H. Toops)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 15:20:12 CST
Subject: Slavic Web Sites
Message-ID: <MON.15.JAN.1996.152012.CST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I have no trouble accessing http://www.cs.ut.ee/~roman_l/rusweb.html
as long as I access http://www.cs.ut.ee/ first.  Once I have the
home page for Tartu University's Computer Science Dept. I can expand
the address to include the additional links (~roman_l/rusweb.html).

I use a Mac and a 14.4 modem from home.


Gary H. Toops                               TOOPS at TWSUVM.UC.TWSU.EDU
Associate Professor                         Ph (316) 689-3180
Wichita State University                    Fx (316) 689-3293
Wichita, Kansas 67260-0011 USA


From MAYBERRY at ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu  Mon Jan 15 21:19:34 1996
From: MAYBERRY at ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu (David W. Mayberry)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 16:19:34 EST
Subject: Directory of Slavic Websites
Message-ID: <MON.15.JAN.1996.161934.EST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

From:   NAME: David Mayberry
        FUNC: Modern Languages
        TEL: (614)593-2765                    <MAYBERRY at A1@LANCE>
To:     MX%"SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU"@OUVAX at MRGATE@OUVAX

Greetings from snowy Athens!

In response to George Fowler's suggestion to try the Slavic website with
Netscape from a hard-wired Mac (one with a constant number): I tried and it does
not work.  I have direct internet access through the Ethernet, so it is not a
problem of constant address versus randomly assigned addresses.

Since I apparently do not exist, I will now go away.

David Mayberry


From rbeard at bucknell.edu  Mon Jan 15 21:41:47 1996
From: rbeard at bucknell.edu (Robert Beard)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 16:41:47 -0500
Subject: Directory of Slavic Websites
Message-ID: <MON.15.JAN.1996.164147.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Actually, I'm dialing in from home but via the UNIX-based system at
Bucknell. I've just sent a note to Roman, asking him how his server is set
up.  As soon as I get a response, I'll post it.  Apparently it is his server
at fault.

>
>It would be interesting to try Netscape from a hard-wired Mac on our
>campus; I'll do it the next time I'm there. In the meantime, I predict that
>George tried from home, or at least via modem, while Bob tried from his
>office via a hard-wired machine (which would have a fixed IP number).
>
>My two cents' worth!
>
>George Fowler
>
-------------------------------------------------------------
Robert Beard                              Bucknell University
Russian & Linguistics Programs            Lewisburg, PA 17837
rbeard at bucknell.edu                              717-524-1336
Russian Program   http://www.bucknell.edu/departments/russian
Morphology on Internet        http://www.bucknell.edu/~rbeard
-------------------------------------------------------------


From ewb2 at cornell.edu  Mon Jan 15 21:26:37 1996
From: ewb2 at cornell.edu (E. Wayles Browne)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:26:37 -0400
Subject: Slavic Web Sites
Message-ID: <MON.15.JAN.1996.172637.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Gary Toops says:
>I have no trouble accessing http://www.cs.ut.ee/~roman_l/rusweb.html
>as long as I access http://www.cs.ut.ee/ first.  Once I have the
>home page for Tartu University's Computer Science Dept. I can expand
>the address to include the additional links (~roman_l/rusweb.html).
>
>I use a Mac and a 14.4 modem from home.
>

I use a Mac and dial into Cornell University's mainframe. The first
time I tried I couldn't get to Roman's list; the second time (last night)
I got through and found a great multiplicity of links to Russian and
Slavic department at universities round the world; just now I tried again
(repeatedly) and got a message
" ! Netscape is unable to locate the server:
 www.cs.ut.ee
The server does not have a DNS entry.

Check the server name in the Location (URL)
and try again. "
This happens no matter whether I try http://www.cs.ut.ee/~roman_l/rusweb.html
or http://www.cs.ut.ee/.
I find this on-and-off-again behavior mysterious.
Wayles

Wayles Browne, Assoc. Prof. of Linguistics
Morrill Hall, Cornell University
Ithaca, New York 14853, U.S.A.
tel. 607-255-0712 (o), 607-273-3009 (h)
fax 607-255-2044 (write FOR W. BROWNE)
e-mail ewb2 at cornell.edu (1989 to 1993 was: jn5j at cornella.bitnet //
jn5j at cornella.cit.cornell.edu)


From escatton at cnsvax.albany.edu  Mon Jan 15 22:30:31 1996
From: escatton at cnsvax.albany.edu (Ernest Scatton)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:30:31 -0500
Subject: Slavic Web Sites
In-Reply-To: <v02120001ad207641c209@[132.236.102.74]>
Message-ID: <MON.15.JAN.1996.173031.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I use NETSCAPE on a dos system with a local internet vendor. I gave
NETSCAPE the URL that Robert Beard provided and got the Slavic Web Site
page without a hitch. Also...sent some mail to roman regarding his link
to our campus. We have two programs. He's got our Russian and East
European Studies homepage, but not Slavic Langs and Lits.

*****************************************************************************
Ernest Scatton                                       Germanic & Slavic Hum254
518-442-4224 (w)                                               UAlbany (SUNY)
518-482-4934 (h)                                                    Albany NY
518-442-4188 (fax)                                                      12222


From sjfrank at clark.net  Mon Jan 15 09:55:03 1996
From: sjfrank at clark.net (Stephen J. Frank)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:55:03 +0800
Subject: Slavic Web Sites
Message-ID: <MON.15.JAN.1996.175503.0800.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

FYI!

        I was able to access the web site:

        http://www.cs.ut.ee/~roman_l/rusweb.html

        without a problem. I have a Mac with 28.8 modem that has a constant
web address  (SLIP/PPP) through a local service provider.

Steve Frank
Friends School of Baltimore
sjfrank at clark.net


From hbaran at ios.com  Mon Jan 15 23:17:47 1996
From: hbaran at ios.com (Henryk Baran)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 18:17:47 -0500
Subject: Slavic Web sites
Message-ID: <MON.15.JAN.1996.181747.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Well, I couldn't get on yesterday, in spite of several tries. Today, after
a long wait, logged on just fine. In both cases calling from home, with
dynamic IP addressing. Problem is at the other end, I think, or else with
connections along the way.


Henryk Baran <hbaran at ios.com>
(201) 967-1593  (voice); (201) 967-8014 (fax)


From gfowler at indiana.edu  Mon Jan 15 23:31:37 1996
From: gfowler at indiana.edu (George Fowler)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 18:31:37 -0500
Subject: Slavic Web Sites
Message-ID: <MON.15.JAN.1996.183137.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Gary Toops wrote:

>I have no trouble accessing http://www.cs.ut.ee/~roman_l/rusweb.html
>as long as I access http://www.cs.ut.ee/ first.  Once I have the
>home page for Tartu University's Computer Science Dept. I can expand
>the address to include the additional links (~roman_l/rusweb.html).

This worked for me as well. And once I established a bookmark there, it let
me go back directly. Funny business.

George Fowler

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
George Fowler                    [Email]  gfowler at indiana.edu
Dept. of Slavic Languages        [Home]   1-317-726-1482  **Try here first**
Ballantine 502                   [Dept]   1-812-855-9906/-2624/-2608
Indiana University               [Office] 1-812-855-2829
Bloomington, IN  47405  USA      [Fax]    1-812-855-2107
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


From rdelossa at HUSC.BITNET  Mon Jan 15 22:16:44 1996
From: rdelossa at HUSC.BITNET (Robert De Lossa)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 17:16:44 -0500
Subject: Slavic Web Sites
Message-ID: <MON.15.JAN.1996.171644.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

With regard to the Tartu site, no problems getting in with the full URL
from a MAC (ethernet through Harvard's routers) using NETSCAPE. I have
found a couple of sites recently that bomb with Mosaic, but not Netscape.
Anyone else finding this problem?

Rob De Lossa

____________________________________________________
Tchu, titko, tchu. . .
Robert De Lossa
Managing Editor, Harvard Series/Papers in Ukrainian Studies
Publications Office
Ukrainian Research Institute
Harvard University
1583 Massachusetts Ave.
Cambridge, MA 02138 USA
617-496-8768 tel. 617-495-8097 fax.
"rdelossa at fas.harvard.edu"


From OLGA at humnet.ucla.edu  Tue Jan 16 06:06:22 1996
From: OLGA at humnet.ucla.edu (Olga T. Yokoyama)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 1996 22:06:22 PST
Subject: Slavic Web Sites
Message-ID: <MON.15.JAN.1996.220622.PST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I have not been able to reach

 http://www.cs.ut.ee/~roman_l/rusweb.html

thru my Netscape.
Olga Yokoyama


From hbaran at ios.com  Tue Jan 16 08:37:37 1996
From: hbaran at ios.com (Henryk Baran)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 03:37:37 -0500
Subject: Slavic Web Sites
Message-ID: <TUE.16.JAN.1996.033737.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

On Tuesday, January 16, 1996 1:06 AM, Olga T.
Yokoyama[SMTP:OLGA at humnet.ucla.edu] wrote:
>I have not been able to reach
>
> http://www.cs.ut.ee/~roman_l/rusweb.html
>
>thru my Netscape.
>Olga Yokoyama
>
>

The site is certainly reachable; I have now done it again using Microsoft's
Internet Explorer. The issue is not, I submit, the Web browser used, but
the situation at the other end. This last instance it took a very long time
for the page to be opened, nearly timing out in the process.
Henryk Baran <hbaran at ios.com>
(201) 967-1593  (voice); (201) 967-8014 (fax)


From MPgregor at aol.com  Tue Jan 16 13:59:33 1996
From: MPgregor at aol.com (Martin Gregor)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 08:59:33 -0500
Subject: Slavic Web Sites
Message-ID: <TUE.16.JAN.1996.085933.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Hello
See Czech and Slovak Yellow Pages for additional genealogy sites for C/S
Republics. Accessed thru my home page. Additions are welcomed.
*****************************************************************************
Martin Gregor
Slovak and Czech Translating/Interpreting Services
Tel.: 301-656-4522, Fax: 301-657-1868

mpgregor at aol.com
Home Page + MPGregor's
Czech and Slovak Yellow Pages:

http://home.aol.com/mpgregor
*****************************************************************************


From koropeck at humnet.ucla.edu  Tue Jan 16 17:07:26 1996
From: koropeck at humnet.ucla.edu (Roman Koropeckyj)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:07:26 -0500
Subject: Slavic Web Sites
Message-ID: <TUE.16.JAN.1996.120726.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

>On Tuesday, January 16, 1996 1:06 AM, Olga T.
>Yokoyama[SMTP:OLGA at humnet.ucla.edu] wrote:
>>I have not been able to reach
>>
>> http://www.cs.ut.ee/~roman_l/rusweb.html
>>
>>thru my Netscape.
>>
To which Henryk Baran replied:
>
>The site is certainly reachable; I have now done it again using Microsoft's
>Internet Explorer. The issue is not, I submit, the Web browser used, but
>the situation at the other end. This last instance it took a very long time
>for the page to be opened, nearly timing out in the process.

To which I reply: having the same server as O. Yokoyama (UCLA Humnet) and
using my Netscape from home on a 14.4 modem, I had no problem accessing the
said Slavic web site (at about 6:00 PM PT), but I experienced the same
protracted delay as H. Baran. His diagnosis of the problem seems to be
correct.

Roman Koropeckyj


From hdbaker at uci.edu  Tue Jan 16 17:26:13 1996
From: hdbaker at uci.edu (Harold D. Baker)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:26:13 -0800
Subject: Upper-Level Russian Classes
Message-ID: <TUE.16.JAN.1996.092613.0800.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Please contact me _personally_ at hdbaker at uci.edu if you have an
upper-level (third- and/or fourth-year) Russian language class and would
like to participate in an on-line, Russian-language get-together with my
students using font KOI7 at 1:00 PM Pacific Time this Friday, January 19,
1996.

Harold D. "Biff" Baker
Program in Russian, HH156
University of California, Irvine
Irvine, CA 92717-5025 USA
hdbaker at uci.edu
1-714-824-6183/Fax 1-714-824-2379


From dumanis at acsu.buffalo.edu  Tue Jan 16 22:53:33 1996
From: dumanis at acsu.buffalo.edu (Edward M Dumanis)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:53:33 -0500
Subject: Russian Scrabble Revisited
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.91.951120155135.12943H-100000@shiva.hunter.cuny.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.16.JAN.1996.175333.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I have one of the first editions of Russian Scrabble.  It is called "Erudit."
Edition of 1978.
Let me quote from the Rules of the Game.

<<Sostavljajemye slova dolzhny byt' imenami sushchestvitel'nymi,
naritsatel'nymi, v edinstvennom chisle ili imejushchimi tol'ko odnu formu
mnozhestvennogo chisla (nozhnitsy, sani, laty i t. p.).>>

Edward Dumanis <dumanis at acsu.buffalo.edu>


From sipkadan at hum.amu.edu.pl  Wed Jan 17 09:47:37 1996
From: sipkadan at hum.amu.edu.pl (Danko Sipka)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 10:47:37 +0100
Subject: Text converter
Message-ID: <WED.17.JAN.1996.104737.0100.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

In the anonymous text archive

ftp.amu.edu.pl/pub/Serbo-Croat (alias: math.amu.edu.pl/pub/Serbo-Croat)

there is the file convert.zip containing convert.exe particularly
useful for Windows users who want to work with Slavic texts
from different Internet archives.

You can also approach this archive from my Web page:

http://www.amu.edu.pl/~sipkadan/ja.htm

The other files in the Serbo-Croatian archive can also
be of interest. See 00-index.txt for the contents.

These web pages might be interesing:

http://www.amu.edu.pl/~sipkadan/vuk.html (about Vuk Karadzic)
http://www.amu.edu.pl/~sipkadan/mig.html (Minimal Information Grammar)

Some of you might want to subscribe to the discussion list
about Serbian terminology. Send:

subscribe ST-L Yourname Yoursurname

to listserv at math.amu.edu.pl

Here is what you can use convert.exe for.

USING CONVERT WITH SLAVIC TEXT ARCHIVES
=======================================

This program converts text files between different standards.
You need Windows to run it. You can use this program to create
your own conversion table, by changing generic conversion table
called convert.cpc to fit your needs.

There are also several conversion tables particularly useful for
those Windows users interested in using Slavic text from the
net, while not wasting their time and nerves on figuring out
how to convert them. Here are the contents and what you can
do with it. Let me add that code page 1251 is the one used in
Windows (you only need to choose ttf ending in Cyr or CE to see
Slavic Cyrillic or Latin fonts), 852 is the DOS code page containing
Latin characters for Slavic languages, and 866 the DOS code page with
Cyrillic characters.

CONVERT  EXE
  - program Convert (you need Windows to run it)
CONV  EXE
  - DOS version of CONVERT  EXE
CONVERT  DOC
  - instructions on how to use the program
CONVERT  TXT
  - this file
SLW-SCW  CPC
  - Serbian Latin -> Serbian Cyrillic
MORK-WFW CPC
  - Files from Prof. Moerk's Serbo-Croatian Text Corpus -> cp 1251
RCW-KO7  CPC
  - cp 1251 Russian Cyrillic -> KOI 7 Latin
FOW-RCW  CPC
  - Files from George Fowler's Russian Corpus -> cp 1251 Russian Cyrillic
KO7-RCW  CPC
  - KOI 7 Latin -> cp 1251 Russian Cyrillic
852-1250 CPC
  - cp 852 -> cp 1250
ANSI-437 CPC
  - ansi standard -> cp 437
437-ANSI CPC
  - cp 437 - > ansii standard
CONVERT  CPC
  - generic conversion table
850-ANSI CPC
  - cp 850 -> ansi standard
1251-866 CPC
  - cp 1251 -> cp 866
1250-852 CPC
  - cp 1251 -> cp 852
866-1251 CPC
  - cp 866 -> cp 1251
(this one is useful for the files from ftp.funet.fi
 /pub/culture/russian  archives. First you convert it
from Unix to DOS, and after that you use 866-1251.cpc)
README   TXT
  - Info on free downlodable dictionaries (Russian, Polish,
    Croatian, Serbian...)


-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dr. Danko Sipka
Slavic Department, Adam Mickiewicz University, Poznan
Slavic Department, University of Wroclaw, Wroclaw
Institute of Philosophy and Sociology, Polish Academy of Sciences, Warsaw
Translation Experts Ltd, Polish Division, Poznan
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
e-mail:     sipkadan at hum.amu.edu.pl or sipkadan at plpuam11.amu.edu.pl
www:        http://www.amu.edu.pl/~sipkadan/ja.htm
phone/fax:  ++48-61-535-143
mail:       Strzelecka 50 m. 6, PL-61-846 Poznan, Poland
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From Gjcnen at aol.com  Wed Jan 17 23:39:25 1996
From: Gjcnen at aol.com (Nancy Novak)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 18:39:25 -0500
Subject: Russian script font request
Message-ID: <WED.17.JAN.1996.183925.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Do any of you know of a Russian script font that really looks like a Russian
person with good handwriting wrote it? I'm looking for a font to use for
teaching handwriting, so it would probably need to have the letters by
themselves and the capability to connect them smoothly.

Has anyone used such a thing to teach handwriting (it will be part of a
self-study Russian textbook for adults)? If so, do you have suggestions on
how to go about this, and perhaps a recommendation for a specific font from a
specific company? For the rest of the book I'm using MacWrite Pro with
Cyrillic II (bilingual English-Russian font from Linguist's Software), & I
have a Powerbook Macintosh, if any of that is relevant.

I would greatly appreciate any suggestions, info, etc. Please reply off-list,
& I will post a summary if anyone's interested. Spasibo zaranee, Nancy Novak
(gjcnen at aol.com)


From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Wed Jan 17 21:52:15 1996
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 16:52:15 -0500
Subject: International student group seeks presence in Belarus (fwd)
Message-ID: <WED.17.JAN.1996.165215.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

This is a FORWARDED message--please reply to the appropriate person
listed below.


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 96 15:06:08 EST
From: Center for Civil Society International <ccsi+ at u.washington.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <civilsoc at solar.rtd.utk.edu>
Subject: International student group seeks presence in Belarus (fwd)


The following message was forwarded to CivilSoc by CCSI Board member Dr.
Dennis McConnell.  It came from the "Belarus" electronic mailing
list (belarus at solar.rtd.utk.edu).

Interested parties should respond directly to AEGEE Vice President
Rudziecki at his e-mail address:

        Michal Rudziecki <RUDY123M at PLEARN.BITNET>


Center for Civil Society International
***********************************************************************
Dear fellow Net-users,

I would like to draw your attention to AEGEE, an international students organiz
ation active Europe-wide. Its aims are to promote democracy, civil society, plu
ralism, European integration and student mobility. AEGEE is not linked to any
political party or religious group. AEGEE is non-profit NGO, acting on a volu-
ntary basis. At present we have about 15,000 members in 150 university cities
in Europe.

But we are not present in Belarus. That's a pity, as we enable students from
varoious regions to travel abroad and meet their peers from other countries,
at the same time working on various projects togetgher.

If there is anybody here, who would like to help in promotion AEGEE in Belarus
and establishing it there, I would be very grateful.

Looking forward to hearing from someone,

Best wishes,

Michal Rudziecki,
Vicepresident AEGEE-Europe
Member of AEGEE-Warszawa (PL)


From JPKIRCHNER at aol.com  Thu Jan 18 02:31:59 1996
From: JPKIRCHNER at aol.com (James Kirchner)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 21:31:59 -0500
Subject: Russian script font request
Message-ID: <WED.17.JAN.1996.213159.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

On Jan 17 1996 Nancy Novak wrote:

>Do any of you know of a Russian script font that really looks like a Russian
>person with good handwriting wrote it?


A company in California called Match Software has one that *might* work for
you (and if they don't they might even try to make it to your specifications
free, in exchange for the suggestion).

Their address is:

Match Software
8205 Santa Monica Blvd. #1-205
West Hollywood, CA 90046-5912

phone (213) 656-4244
fax (818) 784-8877


From beyer at panther.middlebury.edu  Thu Jan 18 08:11:47 1996
From: beyer at panther.middlebury.edu (Thomas R. Jr. Beyer)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 03:11:47 EST
Subject: Comm on Coll and pre-Coll Russian data base
Message-ID: <THU.18.JAN.1996.031147.EST.>

The database from the AATSEEL Committee on College and Pre-College
Russian containing information on texts and supplementary materials for
teaching Russsian language and culture can be found at the following web site

http://www.middlebury.edu/~beyer/pubs/ccpcrdb.html

Any comments, suggestions or updates would be appreciated.

Tom Beyer
Middlebury College


From KER4 at PSUVM.PSU.EDU  Thu Jan 18 13:40:00 1996
From: KER4 at PSUVM.PSU.EDU (Karen Robblee)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 08:40:00 EST
Subject: Slovak language law
Message-ID: <THU.18.JAN.1996.084000.EST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Below is information on a new Slovak language law that I came across on
another list. It might interest some members of SEELANGS.

  - - The original note follows - -

Date:         Wed, 17 Jan 1996 15:38:48 -0500
Reply-To:     Miklos Kontra <kontra at PILOT.MSU.EDU>
Sender:       FUNKNET -- Discussion of issues in Functional Linguistics
              <FUNKNET at RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>
From:         Miklos Kontra <kontra at PILOT.MSU.EDU>
Subject:      Slovak language law
To:           Multiple recipients of list FUNKNET <FUNKNET at RICEVM1.RICE.EDU>

This is to bring to your attention the following information about the
language situation in Slovakia.


>                        Slovak language law
>
>
> On 15 November, 1995 the National Council of the Slovak Republic
> approved "The law on the state language of the Slovak Republic",
> which took effect on 1 January 1996 (except for Section 10 on
> fines, which will take effect a year later). Below is a partial
> demonstration of the consequences of the law in light of one of the
> principles in the Linguistic Society of America's Statement on
> Language Rights (circulated on LINGUIST, 15 November 1995).
>
> [Background information on Slovakia: over 10% of Slovakia's
> population, about 600,000 people, are ethnic Hungarians, who are
> indigenous to southern Slovakia and constitute the majority of the
> population in hundreds of localities. Since 1990, under law
> 428/1990 on the official language of the Slovak Republic, in
> localities with at least a 20 % minority population the minority
> language was used in official contacts. The new law on the state
> language has revoked that law.]
>
> The LSA Statement on Language Rights contains, among other things,
> the following principle:
>
> "At a minimum, all residents of the United States should be
> guaranteed the following linguistic rights:
> A.   To be allowed to express themselves, publicly or privately, in
> the language of their choice."
>
> Under the Slovak State Language Law, citizens of Slovakia do not
> have the right to use "the language of their choice" in the
> following domains of language use, among others:
>
>
> - local government (according to Section 3, Paragraph 1)
>
> - a public transport bus driver talking to a fellow driver on the
> job (3, 2)
>
> - public announcements by local governments (3, 3, a)
>
> - sessions of local government; teachers' meeting in a state school
> (3, 3, b)
>
> - church bulletins (3, 3, c)
>
> - street signs (3, 3, d)
>
> - written submissions to local governments (3, 5)
>
> - elementary and secondary school-leaving certificates (4, 3)
>
> - the presentation of the program of cultural events such as poetry
> recitation, concerts etc. (5, 7)
>
> - legal documents relating to employment (8, 2)
>
> - verbal contact between health care workers and patients (8, 4)
>
>
> Under the same law, citizens of Slovakia may use a language other
> than the state language, but only at a cost. Four such cases are
> illustrated below by quoting the text of the law (according to the
> unabridged unofficial translation issued by CTK news agency,
> Prague, 13 December 1995).
>
>
> - Foreign audiovisual works aimed at children under 12 years must
> be dubbed into the state language. (Section 5, Paragraph 2)
>
> - Broadcasts by regional and local television channels, radio
> stations and radio facilities takes place in the state language.
> Other languages may be used only before the broadcast or after the
> broadcast of the given program in the state language. (5, 4)
>
> - Occasional publications designed for the public, catalogues for
> galleries, museums and libraries, programs for cinemas, theaters,
> concerts and other cultural events are issued in the state
> language. If necessary they may contain translations into other
> languages. (5, 6)
>
> - All signs, advertisements and announcements designed to inform
> the public, especially in shops, sports grounds, restaurants, in
> the street, on roads, at airports, bus and railway stations, in
> prisons and in public transport must be in the state language. They
> may be translated into other languages, but the text in other
> languages must follow after a text of equal length in the state
> language. (8, 6)
>
>
> According to Sections 9 and 10, enforcement of the said law will be
> carried out by the Ministry of Culture levying fines for violations
> of the law. For instance, a maximum of 250,000 Slovak Crowns can be
> the fine for violating Section 8, Paragraph 6 on signs,
> advertisements and announcements in shops, restaurants etc. A fine
> of up to 500,000 Crowns can be levied on violators of Section 5,
> Paragraph 4 on what amounts to compulsory airing of non-state
> language radio and TV programs in the state language as well. For
> comparison, note that the maximum fine for desecration of the
> Slovak national flag is 3,000 Crowns. The maximum fine for
> endangering Slovakia's nuclear safety equals the maximum language
> use violation fine (half a million Crowns).
>
> In a letter to the New York Times (Nov. 27, 1995) the Ambassador of
> the Slovak Republic in Washington, Branislav Lichardus stated that
> "This law governs only the use of the Slovak language. Use of
> minority languages in Slovakia will be included in a different law
> dedicated to this issue." As can be seen above, use of the Slovak
> language is governed such that in many important domains of
> language use citizens of Slovakia do not have the right to use the
> language of their choice. In other domains they have an unduly
> costly choice and are discriminated against.
>
>
> --
> Miklos Kontra
>
> Department of Linguistics           Fax: USA 517 432 2736
> Wells Hall                          Phone: USA 517 353 0740
> Michigan State University           Email: kontra at pilot.msu.edu
> East Lansing, MI 48824
> USA
>


From umsikor0 at cc.UManitoba.CA  Thu Jan 18 16:25:25 1996
From: umsikor0 at cc.UManitoba.CA (Christopher Sikorsky)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 10:25:25 -0600
Subject: Teaching English in Ukraine
Message-ID: <THU.18.JAN.1996.102525.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Hello,

I am interested in being involved in English language teaching in Ukraine
either this summer or in the 1996-97 school year.  Can anyone offer
information on English teacher/teaching assistant programs for Ukraine?
Thank you.

Christopher Sikorsky
University of Manitoba
umsikor0 at cc.umanitoba.ca


From dienes at slavic.umass.edu  Thu Jan 18 17:01:44 1996
From: dienes at slavic.umass.edu (Laszlo Dienes)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 12:01:44 -0500
Subject: 1997 AATSEEL and email directory
Message-ID: <THU.18.JAN.1996.120144.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I have two questions. I hope someone out there can help.

1. WHERE is the 1997 AATSEEL annual convention planned to be held?
(Please note, not 1996 but 1997!)

2. Does anyone know of an electronic list of e-mail addresses for Slavic
scholars all over the country??? Any lead would be greatly appreciated!

(I know of George Fowler's list of linguists but what if you need to get
an e-mail address for a literary scholar?)

dienes at slavic.umass.edu


From gfowler at indiana.edu  Thu Jan 18 17:17:38 1996
From: gfowler at indiana.edu (George Fowler)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 12:17:38 -0500
Subject: 1997 AATSEEL and email directory
Message-ID: <THU.18.JAN.1996.121738.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Greetings!

Let me answer Laszlo Dienes' questions on the list, as they may be of more
general interest.

>1. WHERE is the 1997 AATSEEL annual convention planned to be held?
>(Please note, not 1996 but 1997!)

It's scheduled for Toronto ('96 is Washington, DC, if anyone doesn't know).
I'm not sure if that's absolutely *final* at this point, but I don't think
there is any question about it. MLA is also in Toronto in '97.

>2. Does anyone know of an electronic list of e-mail addresses for Slavic
>scholars all over the country??? Any lead would be greatly appreciated!

Funny you should ask! David Birnbaum posted a list to his AATSEEL web page.
The URL is:

http://www.pitt.edu/~djbpitt/aatseel/email.txt

This list reports those people who supplied an email address in renewing
their memberships for 1995 (a year ago), and is therefore incomplete in two
areas: people who had email but didn't list it, and people who have started
using email since then. There are also many inaccuracies.

We're working on a way to make full membership information available over
the web, and AATSEEL is also planning to issue a new printed directory
pretty soon.

George Fowler

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
George Fowler                    [Email]  gfowler at indiana.edu
Dept. of Slavic Languages        [Home]   1-317-726-1482  **Try here first**
Ballantine 502                   [Dept]   1-812-855-9906/-2624/-2608
Indiana University               [Office] 1-812-855-2829
Bloomington, IN  47405  USA      [Fax]    1-812-855-2107
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


From gfowler at indiana.edu  Thu Jan 18 19:50:51 1996
From: gfowler at indiana.edu (George Fowler)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 14:50:51 -0500
Subject: snegurochka
Message-ID: <THU.18.JAN.1996.145051.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Greetings, SEELangers!
     This query came to me, and I have not idea. If anyone can answer
authoritatively, please send your reply to the original sender below. I do
know that there's no work called "Snegurochka" in my 10-vol edition of
Pushkin (a reddish one). But it's hard to casually prove a negative...
     George Fowler

>Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:21:19 -0800
>From: ap371 at lafn.org (Frank McLaren)
>To: gfowler at indiana.edu
>Subject: snegoruchka
>Reply-To: ap371 at lafn.org
>
>
>
>Dear Prof. Fowler:  I should know the answer to my question, but
>I wonder whether you could give me a quick answer -- was
>Ostrovskii's Snegurochka based on a Pushkin tale?
>     Thanks .... Frank Bourgholtzer


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
George Fowler                    [Email]  gfowler at indiana.edu
Dept. of Slavic Languages        [Home]   1-317-726-1482  **Try here first**
Ballantine 502                   [Dept]   1-812-855-9906/-2624/-2608
Indiana University               [Office] 1-812-855-2829
Bloomington, IN  47405  USA      [Fax]    1-812-855-2107
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


From hbaran at ios.com  Thu Jan 18 20:10:01 1996
From: hbaran at ios.com (Henryk Baran)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 15:10:01 -0500
Subject: Slovak language law -- Karen Roblee's post
Message-ID: <THU.18.JAN.1996.151001.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

This legislation has also been the subject of a fair amount of information
on OMRI.  It would be good, I think, if the community of Slavists in this
country, and perhaps colleagues from other countries, would issue a public
statement making clear our views on this deeply discriminatory,
anti-democratic legislation. If anyone is interested, please reply, off-list or
 on it -- I would be willing to put together a draft.

Henryk Baran <hbaran at ios.com>
(201) 967-1593  (voice); (201) 967-8014 (fax)


From rbeard at bucknell.edu  Thu Jan 18 22:21:49 1996
From: rbeard at bucknell.edu (Robert Beard)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 17:21:49 -0500
Subject: Slavic Department Directory
Message-ID: <THU.18.JAN.1996.172149.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I just received the following message from Roman Leibov of the University of
Tartu.  I think he was taken aback by the immediate popularity of his
website.  It should prove to be a very useful tool.  It works for me, but
then what does that show?

===============================================================

Regarding the complaints on Estonian server and thanks to support of Sibelan
Forester I've mirrored my list in Swarthmore:

http://ash.swarthmore.edu/slavic/rusweb.html

Would you be so kind to announce the mirror to SEELANGS?

Thank you!
Sincerely,
Roman Leibov


-------------------------------------------------------------
Robert Beard                              Bucknell University
Russian & Linguistics Programs            Lewisburg, PA 17837
rbeard at bucknell.edu                              717-524-1336
Russian Program   http://www.bucknell.edu/departments/russian
Morphology on Internet        http://www.bucknell.edu/~rbeard
-------------------------------------------------------------


From krivink at HUSC.BITNET  Thu Jan 18 22:27:52 1996
From: krivink at HUSC.BITNET (Katerina Krivinkova)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 17:27:52 -0500
Subject: Slovak language law
In-Reply-To: <SEELANGS%96011808414306@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Message-ID: <THU.18.JAN.1996.172752.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Unfortunately, Slovakia is not alone. For more outrageous language laws,
see the anti-English language legislation in the province of Quebec!
(Yes, that's on this continent...)

K. Krivinkova


From gfowler at indiana.edu  Thu Jan 18 23:21:10 1996
From: gfowler at indiana.edu (George Fowler)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 18:21:10 -0500
Subject: Second Call for Papers: Formal Approaches to Slavic Linguistics V
Message-ID: <THU.18.JAN.1996.182110.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

January 1996: SECOND CALL FOR PAPERS


                          !!!THE INDIANA MEETING!!!


THE 5TH ANNUAL WORKSHOP ON FORMAL APPROACHES TO SLAVIC LINGUISTICS


Hosted by:
  Indiana University, Bloomington, & Wabash College, Crawfordsville

When:
  May 17-19, 1996

Where:
  Crawfordsville, Indiana (ca. 45 min west of Indianapolis Airport)

Invited Speakers:
  David Perlmutter ("Explanation through Syntactic Representation")
  Catherine Rudin  ("AgrO and Bulgarian Pronominal Clitics")

____________________________________________________________________________
CALL FOR PAPERS:

Abstracts are invited for 30-minute presentations on topics dealing with
formal aspects of Slavic syntax, semantics, morphology, phonology and
psycholinguistics.

Send 5 copies of a ONE-PAGE ANONYMOUS abstract to:

  Steven Franks
  Department of Slavic Languages
  502 Ballantine Hall
  Indiana University
  Bloomington, IN 47405
  U.S.A.

Please also include ONE 3x5 card with:

  1) title of paper
  2) your name
  3) address and affiliation
  4) telephone and fax numbers, if any
  5) e-mail address, if any

(Authors are advised to re-check examples and glosses with speakers of the
languages involved.)

Abstracts Must Be Received By MARCH 1, 1996. [**Note change of date**]

Persons interested in attending FASL V are invited to register their e-mail
and mailing addresses with us at:

  fasl5 at indiana.edu

                        !!!PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD!!!

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
Formal Approaches to Slavic Linguistics V               fasl5 at indiana.edu
May 17-19, 1996                                      [tel] 1-812-855-2624
Steering Committee:                                  [fax] 1-812-855-2829
  Steven Franks                                        franks at indiana.edu
  Martina Lindseth                                    lindsetm at wabash.edu
  George Fowler                                       gfowler at indiana.edu
http://copper.ucs.indiana.edu/~fasl5/
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+


From frumkes at u.washington.edu  Fri Jan 19 03:01:36 1996
From: frumkes at u.washington.edu (Lisa Frumkes)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 19:01:36 -0800
Subject: Transparent Language
Message-ID: <THU.18.JAN.1996.190136.0800.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I recently read about Transparent Language's CD-ROMs for various
languages, including Russian, and I was interested in finding out more
from people who might have used it in their classes.  Anyone have any
experience with it?  (The advertisement on their web page says:  "More
than 5000 Educators at schools and colleges across the country - including
Harvard University, Yale University, Princeton University, the College of
William & Mary, Oberlin College, Texas A&M University, Phillips Exeter
Academy, Jefferson High School and many more - use Transparent Language in
their foreign language curriculum. "  So one of you must know!)

Please reply to me directly; I'll summarize to the list if there's enough
interest.

If you want to see their advertisement for yourself, the URL is:

http://www.transparent.com

Lisa Frumkes
Slavic Staff Associate/Doctoral Candidate
Language Learning Center/Department of Slavic L&L
University of Washington (Seattle)


From mpuskari at acs.ryerson.ca  Fri Jan 19 18:43:26 1996
From: mpuskari at acs.ryerson.ca (Michael Puskaric - SHTM/F94)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 13:43:26 -0500
Subject: France Immersion Programs???
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.3.91l.951212101935.28318B-100000@saul2.u.washington.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.19.JAN.1996.134326.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I am very interested in going to France this summer to participate in an
immersion program.  Does anyone have any recommendations or information
on any such programs?

Any help would br appreciated.

Mike


From ewb2 at cornell.edu  Fri Jan 19 18:01:04 1996
From: ewb2 at cornell.edu (E. Wayles Browne)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 14:01:04 -0400
Subject: Slovenian and Slavic Bible symposium
Message-ID: <FRI.19.JAN.1996.140104.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

>International Symposium on the Interpretation of the Bible
>on the occasion of the publication of the new Slovenian translation of the
>Bible
>18-20 September 1996, Ljubljana, Slovenia
>Sponsored by the Slovenian Academy of Arts and Sciences
>
>The purposes of the gathering are manifold: to present the traits and
>distinctive
>features of hermeneutics as manifested in ancient and Slavic Bible translations
>at the highest scholarly level; to ponder the role of the Bible in contemporary
>hermeneutics in general and in various national cultures in particular; to
>establish closer links between scholars from East and West, and to
>strengthen the
>ecumenical dimension in biblical interpretation. The publication of the Book of
>Books in a new Slovene translation provides a custom-built occasion for such a
>gathering. Since Slovene is not a major language, the gathering, firmly based
>on biblical ideas and values, may symbolise an awareness of the importance of
>every language as a nation's main mark of identity. We shall be happy to act
>as hosts to a number of distinguished Israeli scholars and to collaborate
>with the Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities and with other national
>and international academic institutions and societies. This collaboration may
>serve to express the common endeavours of nations that are not great in
>numbers but are yet strong in the determination to survive and to preserve
>their national and cultural identities.
>Symposium will have three major thematic sections:
>I. Interpretation of the Bible in ancient translations; modern biblical
>hermeneutics
>II. Interpretation of the Bible in Slavonic translations
>III. Interpretation of the Bible in Slovenian culture: translations,
>literature,
>arts, and music.
>Papers will be presented in English, French, and German. Normal presentation
>time will be 30 minutes, there will be, however, some longer plenary lectures.
>The Slovene Academy of Sciences and Arts will be responsible for editing the
>papers in collaboration with a foreign publishing house.
>Within this framework, we are happy to invite scholars and lovers of the
>Bible from East and West
>to share our delight in accomplishment of a major national project.
>The registration fee for the event will be 150 US dollars, and may be paid at
>the time of the final registration.
>
>Address: Presentation of the Bible, Organising Committee, Dolnicarjeva 1,
>SI-61000 Ljubljana, Slovenia.
>Tel. +386 61 313 329. Fax +386 61 133 0405.
>
> (forwarded by Janez Oresnik, janez.oresnik at uni-lj.si)


From rcormani at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu  Fri Jan 19 19:29:13 1996
From: rcormani at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Rosa-Maria Cormanick)
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 14:29:13 -0500
Subject: SAVE Slavic OSU
Message-ID: <FRI.19.JAN.1996.142913.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Dear Colleagues,

The Slavic and East European Languages and Literatures Department at The Ohio
State University is undergoing an intense review which may lead to its
abolition or merger.  WE NEED YOUR HELP.  If this department has been important
to you in any way, or if you feel that it has been a vital part of our Slavic
and East European academic community, please write or fax the Governor of Ohio
and the President of the University (addresses below), with copies to us.

TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE!  An Ad Hoc Committee has been set up to evaluate the
future of the Department.  The Committee will be completing its work within
two months.  We need a flood of letters like that sent to the University of
Washington during their recent review.

If you want further information, please call (614)292-6733 or 1(800)678-6139 or
e-mail to rcormani at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu    Our fax # is (614)688-3107.

In advance, we thank you for your help.   Sincerely,

The Faculty of the Department of Slavic & East European Languages & Literatures
                       The Ohio State University
     George Kalbouss     Charles E. Gribble       Anelya Rugaleva
     Rodica Botoman      Irene Masing-Delic       Lyubomira Parpulova
     Daniel Collins      Angela Brintlinger       Sara Dickinson

Governor George V. Voinovich            E. Gordon Gee, President
Attention:  Andy Futey                  The Ohio State University
State House                             205 Bricker Hall
77 South High Street                    Columbus, Ohio  43210
Columbus, Ohio  43215                   e-mail:  gee.2 at osu.edu
Fax:  (614)466-9354                     Fax:  (614)292-1231

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The Ohio State University                    Columbus, Ohio  43210
(614) 292-6733     1(800) 678-6139           Fax: (614) 688-3107
e-mail:  rcormani at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
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From MPgregor at aol.com  Sat Jan 20 08:21:51 1996
From: MPgregor at aol.com (Martin Gregor)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 03:21:51 -0500
Subject: Slovak language law
Message-ID: <SAT.20.JAN.1996.032151.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

In a message dated 96-01-19 13:52:52 EST, you write:

>
>Unfortunately, Slovakia is not alone. For more outrageous language laws,
>see the anti-English language legislation in the province of Quebec!
>(Yes, that's on this continent...)
>
>

... in France too. Although the attempts only.
*****************************************************************************
Martin Gregor
Slovak and Czech Translating/Interpreting Services
Tel.: 301-656-4522, Fax: 301-657-1868

mpgregor at aol.com
Home Page + MPGregor's
Czech and Slovak Yellow Pages:

http://home.aol.com/mpgregor
*****************************************************************************


From schoeber at husc.harvard.edu  Sun Jan 21 07:06:51 1996
From: schoeber at husc.harvard.edu (Schoeberlein-Engel)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 02:06:51 EST
Subject: AnthEurasia: Discussion List for former Soviet Bloc Anthropology
Message-ID: <SUN.21.JAN.1996.020651.EST.>

AnthEurasia:  Discussion List for former Soviet Bloc Anthropology

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From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Sun Jan 21 14:14:53 1996
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 09:14:53 -0500
Subject: MOPO3OBA (fwd)
Message-ID: <SUN.21.JAN.1996.091453.0500.DPBROWNE@PITT.EDU>

This is a message forwarded from another group.  Please respond directly
to the original sender, not to me or this group.  Thanks!  :-)



---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 96 18:45:39 EST
From: Walter Jacques <jacq+ at ionet.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <civilsoc at solar.rtd.utk.edu>
Subject: MOPO3OBA

Dear Civil Society Members,

I am trying to help a group acquire Bed and Breakfast accomodations in
Morozova (<<MOPO3OBA>>), Russia, which is about 35 km east of
St. Petersburg.  If you can help, or have Internet contacts in Morozova,
Please let me know at the address below:

Walter Jacques
Oklahoma City
jacq at ionet.net

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From mitrege at mail.auburn.edu  Sun Jan 21 18:53:38 1996
From: mitrege at mail.auburn.edu (George Mitrevski)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 12:53:38 -0600
Subject: GOLOSA 1 Web Exercises
Message-ID: <SUN.21.JAN.1996.125338.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I have several exercises for Lesson 5 of Golosa Book 1 which were developed
with JavaScript and Netscape Navigator. You can take a look at them and see
what you think. They are located at:

http://www.auburn.edu/~mitrege/RWT/Golosa1/index.html

These exercises are part of a larger project, and only several of about two
hunderd exercises I will be doing between now and the end of summer.

JavaScript is a subset of the Java programming language, and for now it
works only with Netscape 2.0b4 or above. To access these exercises you need
a KOI8 fixed and a proportional font and a KOI8 keyboard driver. On my Mac
I use ERBukinist for proportional, and ERKurier for fixed. See the REESWEB
site for information on where to find these fonts and how to install them.

My intention is to eventually place on the web a large collection of
exercises that can be used for various textbooks. So, if you are using
Golosa and have written some exercises for it, I would be glad to include
them on my site (with appropriate credit going to you), or I can put a link
to them from my page. The only requirement is that they should be written
in KOI8. You send me the exercises and I will put the appropriate
JavaScript code.

Cordially,

George Mitrevski
Auburn University


From Gjcnen at aol.com  Mon Jan 22 02:51:28 1996
From: Gjcnen at aol.com (Nancy Novak)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 21:51:28 -0500
Subject: Russian script font request
Message-ID: <SUN.21.JAN.1996.215128.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Thanks for your reply. I'll give the co. you suggest a try.  N. Novak


From jebrown at hawaii.edu  Mon Jan 22 03:37:39 1996
From: jebrown at hawaii.edu (James E Brown)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 17:37:39 -1000
Subject: Summer Program in Vladivostok
Message-ID: <SUN.21.JAN.1996.173739.1000.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

The Russian Division at the University of Hawaii in cooperation with the
UH Study Abroad Center announces the 6th annual Russian Language Study
Abroad trip to Vladivostok, Russia. The Russian program is coordinated by
a University of Hawaii resident director.  All courses are taught at the
Russian School of the Far Eastern State University by native speakers of
Russian who hold appropriate teaching credentials.  The program runs for a
total of six weeks beginning in the later part of May and going through
June.  Students receive 5 hours of instruction a day and will receive 6
hours of college credit with successful completion of the course.  All
students with a least one year of college Russian may apply.  For
information about applying for the program and information about costs
and accommodations contact the University of Hawaii at Manoa Study Abroad
Center, Moore Hall, Room 115, Honolulu, HI 96822, Ph: (808)956-5143.  The
deadline for applications is February 17, l996.


From krivink at HUSC.BITNET  Mon Jan 22 04:01:56 1996
From: krivink at HUSC.BITNET (Katerina Krivinkova)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 23:01:56 -0500
Subject: Serbo-Croatian Datives
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SV4.3.91.960121171854.16631A-100000@uhunix>
Message-ID: <SUN.21.JAN.1996.230156.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I would be grateful for any information on the Serbo-Croatian possessive
dative, e.g.:

A:      -Otac mi je doktor.
B:      -A meni je profesor.

as opposed to:

A:      -Moj otac je doktor.
B:      -A moj je profesor.

Are both possible? Which is more natural? When would you use which?

If you had just:

A: Otac je doktor.

then what would the most natural retort be
1) A meni je profesor.  OR
2) A moj je profesor.

Also, in the dative sentences, where does the dative belong syntactically?

Thanks! I'll post a summary of replies.
K. Krivinkova


From pyz at panix.com  Mon Jan 22 14:18:27 1996
From: pyz at panix.com (Max Pyziur)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 09:18:27 -0500
Subject: Comm on Coll and pre-Coll Russian data base
Message-ID: <MON.22.JAN.1996.091827.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

>The database from the AATSEEL Committee on College and Pre-College
>Russian containing information on texts and supplementary materials for
>teaching Russsian language and culture can be found at the following web site
>http://www.middlebury.edu/~beyer/pubs/ccpcrdb.html

The materials which you have referenced here don't just pertain to Russian
language and culture; there are things referenced here also which pertain to
Ukrainian matters (along with Estonian, Serbo-Croation, among others) -- a
referece to the Embassy of Ukraine on M Street in Washington is one
particular example.  If your rebuttal is to say that they speak Russian in
Ukraine, I'd say they speak Russian in Brighton Beach NYC; why don't you
have a reference included there?  Hmmm?


>Any comments, suggestions or updates would be appreciated.

Best you modify the contents to reflect the title  -  College and
pre-College Russian Data Base, or change your title.

>Tom Beyer
>Middlebury College

Max
pyz at panix.com


From fsciacca at itsmail1.hamilton.edu  Mon Jan 22 14:40:32 1996
From: fsciacca at itsmail1.hamilton.edu (Franklin A. Sciacca)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:40:32 -0400
Subject: Job Announcement
Message-ID: <MON.22.JAN.1996.104032.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

HAMILTON COLLEGE
Visiting Instructor or Assistant Professor in Russian, with strong
commitment to language instruction at the undergraduate level.  One year
leave replacement.  3-2 load includes a 300-level course in Business
Russian and a course on nineteenth-century Russian literature in
translation.  Women and minorities encouraged to apply.  Hamilton College
is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action Employer.  Send application and
complete dossier by March 10, 1996 to Prof. Franklin Sciacca, Chair, Dept.
of German and Russian, Hamilton College, 198 College Hill Rd., Clinton, N.
Y.  13323.


From paulkla at mail.pressenter.com  Mon Jan 22 16:32:00 1996
From: paulkla at mail.pressenter.com (Paul A. Klanderud)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:32:00 CST
Subject: factory in pre-rev. literature
Message-ID: <MON.22.JAN.1996.103200.CST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

This is a request for help in identifying literary sources (approx. 1890-
1917), in which the factory is used in some symbolic or "archetypal"
function, either positive or negative. The factory need not be a central
figure (as, say, in Chekhov's "Sluchai iz praktiki" [A doctor's visit]),
but, as in Gorky's "Ispoved'," ideally it is identified with some theme (as
exploitation of the "masses," building the future, and so on).

I'm working on a shorter project involving transpositions of this motif, and
any hints or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Please respond to me
directly at the address below. Of course, any input will be acknowledged in
the final project. And if anyone else is interested in this topic, I'd love
to discuss it.

Paul A. Klanderud

e-mail: paulkla at pressenter.com


From paulkla at mail.pressenter.com  Mon Jan 22 16:46:00 1996
From: paulkla at mail.pressenter.com (Paul A. Klanderud)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:46:00 CST
Subject: factory, my address
Message-ID: <MON.22.JAN.1996.104600.CST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Just a quick addendum to my previous request for information on the factory
in pre-rev. literature: I left out one element in my e-mail address (the
word "mail"). Here it is:

paulkla at mail.pressenter.com

Thanks.


From psekirin at epas.utoronto.ca  Sat Jan 20 22:52:03 1996
From: psekirin at epas.utoronto.ca (peter sekirin)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 1996 17:52:03 -0500
Subject: snegurochka
In-Reply-To: <v01540504ad2453fd6c7a@[134.68.249.70]> from "George Fowler" at
 Jan 18, 96 02:50:51 pm
Message-ID: <SAT.20.JAN.1996.175203.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

TO: Professor G. Fowler
Indiana University

Re: Snegurochka

I have located several sources on the origin of "Snegurochka" by Ostrovsky.
Very few, if any, connections with Pushkin, but abundant folklore material.
Here are several quotes:

1. "Ostrovsky widely used Russian folk legends and
songs while he was writing 'Snegurochka.'
Among the major sources were: RUSSIAN FOLK TALES by
A.N. Afanasiev, collections of Russian folk songs recorded by P.
Rybnikov, A. Tereshchenko, T. Filippov, P. Kireevsky. He also used the
materials of his anthropological expedition and his field study (1856)"
A. Ostrovsky. "Complete Works."  Mocow, 1963.  vol. 6, p.476-477.

2.  "In 1867 Ostrovsky received material prepared by Russian scholar
Driansky on Russian folklore, in particular, the description of the
Festival of the Sun (Prazdnik solntsa) celebrated in some regions of Middle
Russia."
N. Dolgov.  "A.N.Ostrovky. Zhizn, i tvorchestvo."  Moscow, 1923, p.184.


3. A letter from Danilevsky to A Suvorin (1873?):
"In 'Snegurochka,' Ostrovsky made a mess... of several folk songs with 'Slovo o
polku Igoreve,'  and added some staff from A. Tolstoy and Mey..."
V. Lakshin.  "Alexandr Nikolaevich Ostrovsky." Moscow, 1976.  p.455.

4.  "During his work at 'Snegurochka' ...
Ostrovsky read folkore material from  'Yaroslavskie gubernskie
vedomosti' (1849), 'Tverskie gubernskie vedomosti' (1854) and his
notebook filled with Russian folk songs and customs collected during his
expedition to the Kostenevo village..."
L.Rozanova. "Alexandr Nikolaevich Ostrovsky." Moscow-Leningrad, 1965, p.102.

5.  "The topic 'Snegurochka i folkor' was studied by several
generations of Russian scholars...  Ostrovsky was definitely
influenced by Pushkin's  'Skazka o medvedikhe' ... and by the
folk poetry...
(An extensive review of several articles in rare and ephemeral Russian
periodicals, 1915-1939, on this topic).

A.L. Stein.  "Master russkoi dramy".  Moscow, 1973,
pp.257-279.(!!! Includes the most detailed study about the origin and sources
of this play by Ostrovsky, with an occasional mentioning of a fairy-tale
by Pushkin.)  If you do not have this material in your
library, I can send you the photocopies of these pages by mail.


About a month ago, the Canadian Ballet Company staged Snegurochka
at the Royal Alexandra Theater in Toronto...
If you are inetersted, I could send you the booklet of this
performance (20 pages, full color) and an audio-casette with their
recording.

Best wishes,
Peter Sekirin
PhD Candidate
Slavic Department
University of Toronto          e-mail:    "psekirin @ epas.utoronto.ca"


From rcormani at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu  Mon Jan 22 19:53:18 1996
From: rcormani at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Rosa-Maria Cormanick)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 14:53:18 -0500
Subject: SAVE Slavic-OSU
Message-ID: <MON.22.JAN.1996.145318.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Below some general facts about the Department of Slavic & East European
          Languages and Literatures, The Ohio State University

...  is one of 26 Slavic Ph.D. granting programs in the United States, and is
     the ONLY ONE in the state of Ohio.
...  has pioneered foreign study in Russia, Romania, and other East European
     nations since 1960.
...  in addition to its comprehensive offerings in Russian has taught Albanian,
     Bulgarian, Czech, Estonian, Hungarian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Macedonian,
     Polish, Romanian, Serbo-Croatian, Slovenian, and Ukrainian.
...  pioneered individualized, self-paced language instruction which has served
     as a model for many other language programs at Ohio State and across the
     country for nearly two decades.
...  was the first to introduce courses in any foreign culture at The Ohio
     State University.
...  is pro-active in the business community (where many of our alumni are
     now working).  Members of the faculty have taken numerous business
     delegations to and regularly host groups from Russia and Eastern Europe.
...  in the past 15 years has placed all but two of its Ph.D. recipients in
     university positions (despite the current heavy competition), and several
     students nearing completion of the Ph.D. have already secured tenure -
     track positions.
...  takes pride in its outstanding faculty, staff, and students, among whom
     are the recipients of numerous international, national, and university
     awards for excellence in teaching, scholarship, and administration.
...  sponsors an annual Russian language camp for undergraduate and graduate
     students from across the state and beyond, and conducts an annual
     competition for high school students of Russian in Ohio.
...  offers a wealth of educational activities and workshops for students
     of Slavic and East European studies under the auspices of the OSU Russian
     and Romanian Clubs, the Russian Choir, the OSU Slavic honorary society
     Dobro Slovo, and, last but not least, its own Russian House, in which
     students of Russian may choose to live in an immersion environment.
...  established OSU's Center for Slavic and East European Studies, one of
     9 fully-funded National Resource Centers for Slavic and East European
     Studies in the nation.
...  established the Hilandar Research Library, the largest repository of
     medieval Slavic Cyrillic manuscripts on microform in the Western
     Hemisphere, attracting scholars from across the globe.
                         * * * * * * * * * * * *
Very soon we will be posting additional statistical information about our
department.  Thank you.


From hia5 at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Mon Jan 22 20:40:37 1996
From: hia5 at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Howard I. Aronson)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 14:40:37 -0600
Subject: SAVE Slavic-OSU
Message-ID: <MON.22.JAN.1996.144037.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

>MIME-version: 1.0
>Approved-By:  Rosa-Maria Cormanick <rcormani at MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
>Date:         Mon, 22 Jan 1996 14:53:18 -0500
>Reply-To: "SEELangs: Slavic & E. European Languages & literatures list"
><SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
>Sender: "SEELangs: Slavic & E. European Languages & literatures list"
><SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
>From: Rosa-Maria Cormanick <rcormani at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
>Subject:      SAVE Slavic-OSU
>To: Multiple recipients of list SEELANGS <SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
>
>Below some general facts about the Department of Slavic & East European
>          Languages and Literatures, The Ohio State University
>
>...  is one of 26 Slavic Ph.D. granting programs in the United States, and is
>     the ONLY ONE in the state of Ohio.
>...  has pioneered foreign study in Russia, Romania, and other East European
>     nations since 1960.
>...  in addition to its comprehensive offerings in Russian has taught Albanian,
>     Bulgarian, Czech, Estonian, Hungarian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Macedonian,
>     Polish, Romanian, Serbo-Croatian, Slovenian, and Ukrainian.
>...  pioneered individualized, self-paced language instruction which has served
>     as a model for many other language programs at Ohio State and across the
>     country for nearly two decades.
>...  was the first to introduce courses in any foreign culture at The Ohio
>     State University.
>...  is pro-active in the business community (where many of our alumni are
>     now working).  Members of the faculty have taken numerous business
>     delegations to and regularly host groups from Russia and Eastern Europe.
>...  in the past 15 years has placed all but two of its Ph.D. recipients in
>     university positions (despite the current heavy competition), and several
>     students nearing completion of the Ph.D. have already secured tenure -
>     track positions.
>...  takes pride in its outstanding faculty, staff, and students, among whom
>     are the recipients of numerous international, national, and university
>     awards for excellence in teaching, scholarship, and administration.
>...  sponsors an annual Russian language camp for undergraduate and graduate
>     students from across the state and beyond, and conducts an annual
>     competition for high school students of Russian in Ohio.
>...  offers a wealth of educational activities and workshops for students
>     of Slavic and East European studies under the auspices of the OSU Russian
>     and Romanian Clubs, the Russian Choir, the OSU Slavic honorary society
>     Dobro Slovo, and, last but not least, its own Russian House, in which
>     students of Russian may choose to live in an immersion environment.
>...  established OSU's Center for Slavic and East European Studies, one of
>     9 fully-funded National Resource Centers for Slavic and East European
>     Studies in the nation.
>...  established the Hilandar Research Library, the largest repository of
>     medieval Slavic Cyrillic manuscripts on microform in the Western
>     Hemisphere, attracting scholars from across the globe.
>                         * * * * * * * * * * * *
>Very soon we will be posting additional statistical information about our
>department.  Thank you.
>

...................................................................
Howard I. Aronson                              Office: 312-702-7734
Slavic Langs & Lits, Univ of Chicago           Home:   312-935-7535
1130 East 59th St                              Slavic: 312-702-8033
Chicago, IL 60637                  e-mail: hia5 at midway.uchicago.edu


From rcormani at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu  Mon Jan 22 22:27:34 1996
From: rcormani at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Rosa-Maria Cormanick)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 17:27:34 -0500
Subject: SAVE Slavic-OSU
Message-ID: <MON.22.JAN.1996.172734.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Some of you have requested the addresses of our Dean and/or Provost; in
addition to the Governor & President's.   Enclosed the list:

Gobernor George V. Voinovich       E.Gordon Gee, President
Att:  Andy Futey                   The Ohio State Univeristy
State House                        205 Bricker Hall
77 South High Street               Columbus, Ohio  43210
Columbus, OH  43210                e-mail:  gee.2 at osu.edu
Fax (614) 466-9354                 Fax:  (614) 292-1231

Dr. Kermit Hall                    Dr. John R. Sisson
Dean, College of Humanities        Provost, Academic Affairs
The Ohio State University          The Ohio State University
l86 University Hall                203 Bricker Hall
Columbus, OH   43210               Columbus, Ohio  43210
e-mail:  hall.409 at osu.edu          e-mail:  sisson.9 at osu.edu
Fax:  (614) 292-8666               Fax:  (614) 292-3658

If you send any letter(s) to the above, we would appreciate a copy sent
to our department.   THANK YOU!
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Slavic & East European Langs & Lits          1841 Millikin Rd., 232 Cunz Hall
The Ohio State University                    Columbus, Ohio  43210
(614)292-6733  1(800) 678-6139               Fax:  (614) 688-3107
e-mail:  rcormani at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
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From gfowler at indiana.edu  Mon Jan 22 23:07:10 1996
From: gfowler at indiana.edu (George Fowler)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 18:07:10 -0500
Subject: Recommendations for Russian cultural figures in U.S.
Message-ID: <MON.22.JAN.1996.180710.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Greetings, SEELangers!
      I received the following message from an active member of the Russian
emigre community here in Indianapolis (and it is a surprisingly large and
cohesive community). He helps to organize cultural events; of the ones he
mentions below, I went to the Guberman performance. He is a bard, and his
concert for 50 or so people was excellent. Basically, he is looking for
singers, writers, actors, and representatives of other cultural fields to
come here for small-scale concerts, poetry readings, lectures, etc. If
anyone knows of likely people he could get in touch with you, I would ask
you to send your suggestions, preferably with contact information as well,
directly to Joe at the address below. Or send them to me. Best are people
based in the Midwest, but any suggestions would be of interest; you never
know when somebody will have another reason to be in this area.
     Thanks in advance!
     George Fowler

From: JOE at FALCON.IUPUI.EDU
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 1996 16:41:32 -0500 (EST)
To: gfowler at indiana.edu
Subject: Re: Russian cultural events

                George,
I bother you once again with few Russian-related questions.
Have you any idea about location/coordinates of any well-known
people of Russian culture, who are currently in America
(either permanently, as Aksenov, or temperarily, as Bitov)?
I know, that Yevtushenko was teaching recently somewhere in Ohio,
probably, there are someone else.
I also wonder, who brought Bella Akhmadulina in Indy's Clowes Hall
5 years ago?
        The reason I ask it, is that we could try to invite guys now in Indy.
Both Guberman and Yegorov were quite satisfied both by the audience and
financially.

        Thanks, Joseph

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
George Fowler                    [Email]  gfowler at indiana.edu
Dept. of Slavic Languages        [Home]   1-317-726-1482  **Try here first**
Ballantine 502                   [Dept]   1-812-855-9906/-2624/-2608
Indiana University               [Office] 1-812-855-2829
Bloomington, IN  47405  USA      [Fax]    1-812-855-2107
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


From yamato at yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp  Tue Jan 23 06:50:31 1996
From: yamato at yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp (Dr Yoshimasa Tsuji)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 01:50:31 EST
Subject: Comm on Coll and pre-Coll Russian data base
Message-ID: <TUE.23.JAN.1996.015031.EST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Dear Max,
One thing that particularly fills me with joy is your eternal
claim that Ukraina is not Russia. People in the West often
don't see the difference between Russia and the previous Soviet
Union simply because Russia dominated. While few confuse
Eastern Europe with Russia, the word 'Cyrillic characters' is always
confused with modern Russian typeface, which is Latinized though
not so completely as in Polish. Why not just say 'Russian characters' or
Ukrainian characters? That will be simpler to understand.
People say 'English letters', but not 'Latin letters' because they
know even the most recent Latin characters that had the lower case as well
didn't distinguish U,V,W, for example. And in the same vein people don't
call Latin characters Greek because they know that whatever the origin
they are different. Therefore, whatever the origin, let us call Russian
characters Russian and not Cyrillic (let the term 'Cyrillic letters' refer
to the hand-written script of the Middle Ages).

Incidentally, most Japanese are not sure whether America is USA or
North, Central and South Americas.

Cheers,
Tsuji


From ikblans at solair4b.eunet.be  Tue Jan 23 06:58:32 1996
From: ikblans at solair4b.eunet.be (Koenraad Blansaer)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 01:58:32 EST
Subject: Solomon Ioffe
Message-ID: <TUE.23.JAN.1996.015832.EST.>

Dorogie SEElanzhane!

Znaet kto-nibud' iz vas gde teper' z^ivet russko-amerikanskij filolog
Solomon Ioffe, kotoryj rabotal nekotoroe vremja v gorode Seattle? Mne
sroc^no nuz^no ego adres (ili E-mail). Zaranee blagodarju.

S kollegial'nym privetom,

Koenraad Blansaer
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From pyz at panix.com  Tue Jan 23 14:08:13 1996
From: pyz at panix.com (Max Pyziur)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 09:08:13 -0500
Subject: Comm on Coll and pre-Coll Russian data base
Message-ID: <TUE.23.JAN.1996.090813.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

>Dear Max,
>One thing that particularly fills me with joy is your eternal
>claim that Ukraina is not Russia. People in the West often
>don't see the difference between Russia and the previous Soviet
>Union simply because Russia dominated. While few confuse
>Eastern Europe with Russia, the word 'Cyrillic characters' is always
>confused with modern Russian typeface, which is Latinized though
>not so completely as in Polish. Why not just say 'Russian characters' or
>Ukrainian characters? That will be simpler to understand.
>People say 'English letters', but not 'Latin letters' because they

This is a presumption which I don't share with you.  As a speaker of
American English, generally, I believe that I say "alphabet" before I would
begin to say "English letters", but I can't extrapolate with certainty (to
the degree with which you apparently can) on what is generally said/written
here in the US or the UK -- "alphabet", "English letters", or something else.

>know even the most recent Latin characters that had the lower case as well
>didn't distinguish U,V,W, for example. And in the same vein people don't
>call Latin characters Greek because they know that whatever the origin
>they are different. Therefore, whatever the origin, let us call Russian
>characters Russian and not Cyrillic (let the term 'Cyrillic letters' refer
>to the hand-written script of the Middle Ages).

You can call them whatever you want crafting a justification using logic
more approproiate to higher levels of mathematics; my use of the terms
"Cyrillic letters" and  "Cyrillic alphabet" reflects my usage of the term
"kyrylytsia" when I speak/write/communicate with others in Ukrainian.  Other
terms which I've heard used are:  "azbuka" and "abetka"; nowhere have I
heard or seen the use of "rosij's'ki litery" or "rosij's'ka azbuka".

>Incidentally, most Japanese are not sure whether America is USA or
>North, Central and South Americas.

They also are not sure about their ancestors' roles in the Nanjing massacre
and other unpleasant events in China, along with Korea and the Phillipines;
in both cases this probably reflects the Japanese Ministry of Education's
politics and desire to obfuscate the state of the world and Japan's history.
At this point perhaps I should call on the native Ainu people of Japan to
somehow rise up to which you would probably reply that the Native Americans,
especially the Navajo, should find Kit Carson's grave and exhume his remains
to mark the beginning of a rebellion against some sort of de facto
cultural/economic subjugation.  By our collective (yours and mine) efforts
this would be the beginning of dystopia.

Look Tsuji, it's obvious that you are more than just an aficionado of
Russian language and culture and it appears that you would champion them
over the languages and cultures of other Slavic people.  However, like it or
not, there is such a thing as Ukraina and Ukrainians living there and in the
world.  They see and know themselves as distinct.

Btw Tsuji, being on faculty at Waseda Daigaku with your great allegiance to
Russian culture, how do you feel about the Russian (formerly Soviet)
occupation of the Japanese Kuril Islands?

>Cheers,
>Tsuji

Max
pyz at panix.com


From psekirin at epas.utoronto.ca  Tue Jan 23 15:39:17 1996
From: psekirin at epas.utoronto.ca (peter sekirin)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 10:39:17 -0500
Subject: Bowker Prize in Russia
In-Reply-To: <v01510103ad20640e0cc5@[129.240.154.50]> from "Kjetil Raa Hauge"
 at Jan 15, 96 10:07:13 pm
Message-ID: <TUE.23.JAN.1996.103917.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

To recepients of SEELANGS

Dear Colleagues,

Does anybody know anything about the Bowker Prize Competition in Russia
for the  best  book, the  best author for 1995 ?????

My students asked me this question yesterday...

I greatly appreciate your  assistance.

Best wishes

Peter Sekirin
Slavic Department
U of Toronto,   "psekirin at epas.utoronto.ca"


From d-powelstock at UCHICAGO.EDU  Tue Jan 23 15:58:36 1996
From: d-powelstock at UCHICAGO.EDU (David Powelstock)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 09:58:36 -0600
Subject: Bowker Prize in Russia
Message-ID: <TUE.23.JAN.1996.095836.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

That would be the Booker Prize, I believe, which the Brits (who exactly, I
don't recall) award annually to the best work of contemporary Russian
fiction (poetry, too?).  The award for 1995 was recently announced, but alas
the name was not familiar to me and didn't stick.  I'm sure someone else out
there can be of more help!

Best,
David

At 10:39 AM 1/23/96 -0500, you wrote:
>To recepients of SEELANGS
>
>Dear Colleagues,
>
>Does anybody know anything about the Bowker Prize Competition in Russia
>for the  best  book, the  best author for 1995 ?????
>
>My students asked me this question yesterday...
>
>I greatly appreciate your  assistance.
>
>Best wishes
>
>Peter Sekirin
>Slavic Department
>U of Toronto,   "psekirin at epas.utoronto.ca"
>
>
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From borenstn at is2.nyu.edu  Tue Jan 23 16:10:20 1996
From: borenstn at is2.nyu.edu (Eliot Borenstein)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 11:10:20 -0500
Subject: And the winner of the Booker Prize is...
Message-ID: <TUE.23.JAN.1996.111020.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Georgii Vladimov, for "A General and His Army", about Vlasov's army.

Nezavisimaia gazeta, by the way, awards an "Anti-Booker" prize that has
apparently been renamed "Brat'ia Karamazovy."  It was awarded to Alesei
Varlamov for "Rozhdenie" (Birth).

                                                Eliot Borenstein
                                                New York University


From NEMESIS at TRYZUB.com  Tue Jan 23 16:33:45 1996
From: NEMESIS at TRYZUB.com (Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 11:33:45 -0500
Subject: Comm on Coll and pre-Coll Russian data base
Message-ID: <TUE.23.JAN.1996.113345.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

At 1:50 1/23/96, Dr Yoshimasa Tsuji wrote:

>Dear Max,
>One thing that particularly fills me with joy is your eternal
>claim that Ukraina is not Russia. People in the West often
>don't see the difference between Russia and the previous Soviet
>Union simply because Russia dominated. While few confuse
I don't think there is much of a difference - the "soviet" union
was a Russian empire - another brutal continuation of the tsarist
empire.  It still exists under the moniker of "federation'.  But, this
is not the forum for such items and I shan't continue this thread.

>Eastern Europe with Russia, the word 'Cyrillic characters' is always
>confused with modern Russian typeface, which is Latinized though
>not so completely as in Polish. Why not just say 'Russian characters' or
>Ukrainian characters? That will be simpler to understand.
>People say 'English letters', but not 'Latin letters' because they
>know even the most recent Latin characters that had the lower case as well
>didn't distinguish U,V,W, for example. And in the same vein people don't
>call Latin characters Greek because they know that whatever the origin
>they are different. Therefore, whatever the origin, let us call Russian
>characters Russian and not Cyrillic (let the term 'Cyrillic letters' refer
>to the hand-written script of the Middle Ages).

Actually, when I have to explain this alphabet to others I use the terms
"Ukrainian Cyrillic" and "Russian Cyrillic".  I think this is better since
both languages use a *VARIANT* of the cyrillic alphabet.  The differences
(such as Ukrainian having more letters than the Russian) betwixt both
systems generally to not appear to be of interest to those unfamiliar with
these languages.

>Incidentally, most Japanese are not sure whether America is USA or
>North, Central and South Americas.
I'd be surprised if most Americans could find Japan on the map, knowing
our (lack of) educational system - but, oops, wrong forum again for this
thread, chuckle!

                                Regards,

                                                Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj

>
>Cheers,
>Tsuji


From BERMEL at humnet.ucla.edu  Tue Jan 23 18:41:40 1996
From: BERMEL at humnet.ucla.edu (Neil Bermel)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 10:41:40 PST
Subject: GOLOSA in Braille
Message-ID: <TUE.23.JAN.1996.104140.PST.>

Hello, SEELANGS --

I'm teaching from GOLOSA this year, and have a blind student in my class.
He was able to get a copy of vol. 1 of the textbook in Braille, but could
not find vol. 2.  Does anyone know if a Braille version of Golosa vol. 2
already exists?

I will post any responses I receive to the list.

Neil Bermel
bermel at humnet.ucla.edu


From SRogosin at aol.com  Tue Jan 23 19:47:47 1996
From: SRogosin at aol.com (Serge Rogosin)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 14:47:47 -0500
Subject: Polish and German dictionaries
Message-ID: <TUE.23.JAN.1996.144747.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I am writing a book about the balalaika and am currently researching when the
word appeared in various languages.  Can anyone recommend any Polish and
German dictionaries--etymological or otherwise--that list the years that
particular words appeared in those languages?  Any help would be appreciated.

Serge Rogosin
SRogosin at aol.com


From p2143576 at acsusun.acsu.unsw.edu.au  Wed Jan 24 03:10:12 1996
From: p2143576 at acsusun.acsu.unsw.edu.au (Elena Mikhalik)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 14:10:12 +1100
Subject: Bowker Prize in Russia
In-Reply-To: <199601231539.KAA01491@epas.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <WED.24.JAN.1996.141012.1100.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Dear Professor Sekirin,

The winner of the 1995 Bowker Prize in Russia was Bulat Okudzhava with
the novel "Uprazdnennyi Teatr". There was quite a critical upheaval
around this desision. If you like to know more I could dig up those debates.

With best wishes,

Elena Mikhailik


From DORMAN at PLEARN.EDU.PL  Wed Jan 24 10:29:42 1996
From: DORMAN at PLEARN.EDU.PL (P.B.D)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 10:29:42 CET
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <WED.24.JAN.1996.102942.CET.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Hello, Good morning, Shalom, Dzien dobry,

I have one question.
I want to translate poems from Polish to English language.
And is someone who want do this ?

have a good day.

P.B.D.


"There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance." Socrates


From RALPH at hum.port.ac.uk  Wed Jan 24 11:52:31 1996
From: RALPH at hum.port.ac.uk (Ralph Cleminson)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 11:52:31 GMT
Subject: Comm on Coll and pre-Coll Russian data base
Message-ID: <WED.24.JAN.1996.115231.GMT.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

On 23 Jan 1996 Dr Yoshimasa Tsuji wrote:

> the word 'Cyrillic characters' is always
> >confused with modern Russian typeface, which is Latinized though
> >not so completely as in Polish. Why not just say 'Russian characters' or
> >Ukrainian characters? That will be simpler to understand.
> >People say 'English letters', but not 'Latin letters' because they
>
And Max Pyziur commented:
> This is a presumption which I don't share with you.  As a speaker of
> American English, generally, I believe that I say "alphabet" before I would
> begin to say "English letters", but I can't extrapolate with certainty (to
> the degree with which you apparently can) on what is generally said/written
> here in the US or the UK -- "alphabet", "English letters", or something else.
>
I agree.  In fact, one would normally talk about "the Latin
alphabet", not "the English alphabet".  (Admittedly the Poles do talk
about the Polish alphabet, by which they mean a particular subset of
the Latin alphabet, with the particular diacritics and letter-
combinations used for Polish.)  The point is, of course, that the
Latin alphabet is common to all the languages that use it, as is the
cyrillic to those which use that.  One can then talk about "Russian
letters", meaning something like jery (which would also be a
"Belorusian letter"), in the same way that a w with a circumflex
would be a Welsh letter, but the answer to the question "What
alphabet is Russian written in?" would still be cyrillic - and Welsh
uses the Latin alphabet.  Otherwise one has not term to denote the
common character set which is used (with modifications) by a
multiplicity of languages.

> >know even the most recent Latin characters that had the lower case as well
> >didn't distinguish U,V,W, for example. And in the same vein people don't
> >call Latin characters Greek because they know that whatever the origin
> >they are different. Therefore, whatever the origin, let us call Russian
> >characters Russian and not Cyrillic (let the term 'Cyrillic letters' refer
> >to the hand-written script of the Middle Ages).

Origin has nothing to do with it (otherwise cyrillic would be Greek
and Greek would be Phoenician).  And in any case, there was
considerable variation in mediaeval cyrillic.  A Bulgarian MS would
not use precisely the same characters with the same values as an East
Slavonic one, still less a Bosnian one.

> You can call them whatever you want crafting a justification using logic
> more approproiate to higher levels of mathematics; my use of the terms
> "Cyrillic letters" and  "Cyrillic alphabet" reflects my usage of the term
> "kyrylytsia" when I speak/write/communicate with others in Ukrainian.  Other
> terms which I've heard used are:  "azbuka" and "abetka"; nowhere have I
> heard or seen the use of "rosij's'ki litery" or "rosij's'ka azbuka".
>
True, but actually you *can't* call them what you like.  The whole
point about scholarly terminology is that it consists of terms with a
definite meaning so that when you use them, other people know exactly
what you mean.  In the present case, the terminology is perfectly
well established (except in some of the finer points of
palaeography), and should be adhered to.









======================================================================
Ralph Cleminson, Reader in Slavonic Studies, University of Portsmouth
ralph at hum.port.ac.uk
http://www.hum.port.ac.uk/Users/ralph.cleminson/home.htm
======================================================================


From Morev at HUM.HUJI.AC.IL  Wed Jan 24 10:38:00 1996
From: Morev at HUM.HUJI.AC.IL (Morev Gleb)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 02:38:00 PST
Subject: Bowker Prize in Russia
Message-ID: <WED.24.JAN.1996.023800.PST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Georgij Vladimov.
General i ego armija // Znamia. 1994. [N7-8 (?)]


From psekirin at epas.utoronto.ca  Wed Jan 24 16:59:09 1996
From: psekirin at epas.utoronto.ca (peter sekirin)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 11:59:09 -0500
Subject: Bowker Prize in Russia
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960124140551.27782B-100000@acsusun> from "Elena
 Mikhalik" at Jan 24, 96 02:10:12 pm
Message-ID: <WED.24.JAN.1996.115909.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Dear Elena,

Thank you for your letter.  Do you know anything about the History of the
Bowker prize in Russia?

I appreciate your assitance.  Best wishes,

Peter


From isrobert at msmail.is.cphk.hk  Thu Jan 25 02:11:00 1996
From: isrobert at msmail.is.cphk.hk (Robert Davison)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 21:11:00 EST
Subject: alphabets
Message-ID: <WED.24.JAN.1996.211100.EST.>

You should both come to Hong Kong where an alphabet means a single letter of
the same (at least in the eyes/ears of all too many HK students). "Sorry, I
misspelt the alphabets in that word"!!!

 "English letters" is dangerous because it suggests that the English, or at
least anglophones, have some kind of monopoly over their usage, which is not
true. They are also used in Malay, Hawaiian, pinyin Chinese (albeit with
diacritics) and a few dozen more languages I suspect. So I'll go with
alphabet. The fact that the word comes from the first two letters of the
Greek "alphabet" is irrelevant - we have to call it something. If you want
to argue about Cyrillic, you'd better go back to St. Cyril and ask his
opinion. As I see it, variations of the Cyrillic alphabet (not a logical
inconsistency) are used in a variety of languages (an oxymoron, perhaps, but
we'd better not get personal), though no one language has a monopoly on the
entire set. Not all of those languages are slavic - Mongolian and
Azerbaijani also use Cyrillic, so calling it a Russian alphabet does not
help much except to indicate that it is a sub-set of a larger Cyrillic
letter set (in the sense of character sets). Does that help?

Which do you prefer? Mongolian uses the Russian alphabet or the Cyrillic
alphabet?

Robert
isrobert at msmail.is.cphk.hk
City Univ of Hong Kong - Information Systems Dept


From yamato at yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp  Thu Jan 25 03:47:12 1996
From: yamato at yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp (Dr Yoshimasa Tsuji)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 22:47:12 EST
Subject: alphabets
Message-ID: <WED.24.JAN.1996.224712.EST.>

Hello,
I am completely fed up with all those nationalists. When I am concerned with
the modern Russian language and studying the graphical realization ("letters")
of the functional atoms ("alphabets") of the language, I don't want to be
forced to learn what letters or alphabets Ukrainians, Mongolians, or
whatever use. More knowledge, the better, but one has to minimize the
effort to reach one's imminent target.

Let us be productive and informative.

Cheers,
Tsuji


From djbpitt+ at pitt.edu  Thu Jan 25 13:53:25 1996
From: djbpitt+ at pitt.edu (David J Birnbaum)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 08:53:25 -0500
Subject: alphabets
Message-ID: <THU.25.JAN.1996.085325.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

  This message is in MIME format.  The first part should be readable text,
  while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.

--IAC08163.822575524/post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII

Students of writing systems often distinguish SCRIPT (Latin, Cyrillic,
Greek, etc.) from ALPHABET (English, Russian, Ukrainian, etc.--and not all
writing systems are alphabetic, of course).

These are technical terms and will not always be understood by
non-specialists (e.g., the Latin alphabet is a subset of the Latin
script), but that is neither here nor there, and a distinction can be made
by those who need one. The identification of distinct scripts is sometimes
more cultural than objective (note that the Latin, Cyrillic, and Greek
scripts, for example, have common ancestry), but the same may be said of
the identification of languages.

Cheers,

David
==================================================
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The Royal York Apartments, #802  http://www.pitt.edu/~djbpitt/
3955 Bigelow Boulevard           voice: 1-412-624-5712
Pittsburgh, PA  15213  USA       fax:   1-412-624-9714

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From pyz at panix.com  Thu Jan 25 15:21:48 1996
From: pyz at panix.com (Max Pyziur)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 10:21:48 -0500
Subject: SAVE Slavic-OSU
Message-ID: <THU.25.JAN.1996.102148.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

At 02:53 PM 1/22/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Below some general facts about the Department of Slavic & East European
>          Languages and Literatures, The Ohio State University
>

By inference from your subject line, is your department at OSU under some
sort of siege?  Funding cut-backs?

Max
pyz at panix.com


From rcormani at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu  Thu Jan 25 19:08:44 1996
From: rcormani at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Rosa-Maria Cormanick)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 14:08:44 -0500
Subject: SAVE Slavic-OSU
In-Reply-To: <199601251522.KAA13985@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu> from "Max
 Pyziur" at Jan 25, 96 10:21:48 am
Message-ID: <THU.25.JAN.1996.140844.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Unfortunately, I must say yes we are undergoing an "intense review" with the
threat of elimination or merger.  I am forwarding the letter of appeal from our
faculty, fact sheet & addresses to write.  Thank you in advance if you can
help.
Sincerely,

RosaMaria Moreno Cormanick
Slavic - OSU


From clwendt at umich.edu  Thu Jan 25 20:45:25 1996
From: clwendt at umich.edu (Christopher Wendt)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 15:45:25 -0500
Subject: Bosnian Book Sources
In-Reply-To: <199601251908.OAA04268@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.25.JAN.1996.154525.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Hello Seelangers-
        A friend of mine is teaching english to teenager from Bosnia.
The teen has been placed with a family who do not share his native
language, nor are they aware of any other Bosnians in the Area.
        The teen has asked my friend to help him find a source of reading
material in as he put it "Bosnian".
        I assume this means Serbo-Croatian?
        I appeal to you with two questions:
        1. Is "bosnian" most likely "serbo-croatian?"
        2. Does anyone know where we could mail order or buy books in
that language that would be appropriate for his need?  That is literature
aand not texts or dictionaries.

        You can reply directly to me at clwendt at umich.edu.
        Thank you in advance,
                                Chris Wendt


From omalley at hawaii.edu  Thu Jan 25 23:40:22 1996
From: omalley at hawaii.edu (Lurana OMalley)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 13:40:22 -1000
Subject: Panel on Ekaterina II for MLA
Message-ID: <THU.25.JAN.1996.134022.1000.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

The following is a call for papers for a planned special session at next
year's MLA convention (27-30 Dec. 1996 in DC).  The call will also appear in
the Spring 1996 MLA newsletter.

"I Consider All of My Writings to be Trifles": Catherine the Great as Writer

For bicentennial of Catherine II's death.  Catherine as writer,
particularly as playwright: anonymity, gender roles, representation of
Russian and non-Russian, political culture. 1-page abstracts by 15 March;
Lurana D. O'Malley (omalley at hawaii.edu) or Ruth Dawson (dawson at hawaii.edu)

Please remember that you must be a member of MLA in order to participate
in a panel.

I hope to hear from you.


****************************
Lurana Donnels O'Malley
Assistant Professor
Department of Theatre and Dance
1770 East-West Road
University of Hawai'i at Manoa
Honolulu, HI 96822
Tel#  808-956-9609
FAX#  808-956-4234
omalley at hawaii.edu


From goscilo+ at pitt.edu  Fri Jan 26 00:17:54 1996
From: goscilo+ at pitt.edu (Helena Goscilo)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 19:17:54 -0500
Subject: Mortification, and not of the flesh
In-Reply-To: <Pine.3.89.9512181732.C2209-0100000@unixs6.cis.pitt.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.25.JAN.1996.191754.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Dear Divan,

It was with horror that I discovered today that yesterday was Wed. and
the day of our meeting. Need I tell you how dreadfully sorry and idiotic
I feel?   Abject and mortified apologies.  I knew we had a meeting on
Wed., but I simply forgot it was Wed.  (I know this does not show good
things about my relationship to supposed reality.)  Please forgive me--if
I were you, I'd change the whipper for the whipped.  Will you trust me to
set up another meeting?  I am really more sorry than I can say, with
humor and without.  Yours in sackcloth and ashes, the Dodo, aka Helena


From omalley at hawaii.edu  Fri Jan 26 02:41:29 1996
From: omalley at hawaii.edu (Lurana OMalley)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 16:41:29 -1000
Subject: RUSSTHEA: a new list on Slavic theatre
Message-ID: <THU.25.JAN.1996.164129.1000.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Please excuse all cross-postings.

Greetings!  You are invited to join a new list devoted to the discussion
of Russian and Eastern European Theatre and Drama.  The list will be
"owned" by me (Lurana D. O'Malley of the University of Hawaii Department
of Theatre and Dance).

Although I am not a "computer-person" my research interest in Russian
theatre has led me to create this list to facilitate communication about
events, programs, issues, and historical concerns in this area.

Interested?

Here's what to do:

1) Compose a message to LISTSERV at UHCCVM.ITS.HAWAII.EDU
(Or if you need to, send it to LISTSERV at UHCCVM.BITNET)

2) Put nothing in the subject line.

3)  In the message, type the following:


SUB RUSSTHEA <your name>

For instance, I would type:

SUB RUSSTHEA Lurana O'Malley

4) Send the message.

Then, whenever you want to post anything to the group, compose a message
to RUSSTHEA at UHCCVM.ITS.HAWAII.EDU.

Please pass on word about this new list to anyone who might be interested!

Please contact me at omalley at hawaii.edu if you have any questions.

****************************
Lurana Donnels O'Malley
Assistant Professor
Department of Theatre and Dance
1770 East-West Road
University of Hawai'i at Manoa
Honolulu, HI 96822
Tel#  808-956-9609
FAX#  808-956-4234
omalley at hawaii.edu


From jvt5350 at is2.nyu.edu  Fri Jan 26 03:23:58 1996
From: jvt5350 at is2.nyu.edu (jvt5350 at is2.nyu.edu)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 22:23:58 EST
Subject: factory in pre-rev. literature
Message-ID: <THU.25.JAN.1996.222358.EST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

>This is a request for help in identifying literary sources (approx. 1890-
>1917), in which the factory is used in some symbolic or "archetypal"
>function, either positive or negative.

The only thing that comes to mind right away is an "archetypal" example on
the "theme of exploitation": see A. Blok's poem "V sosednem dome okna
zhelty, / po vecheram, po vecheram/ skripiat zadumchivye bolty/ podkhodiat
liudi k vorotam...." etc. I think the title IS, actually, "Fabrika."
I don't remember the year but it's easy to check.
Good luck,

Julia Trubikhina,
New York University


From BILLINGS at PUCC.BITNET  Fri Jan 26 05:42:06 1996
From: BILLINGS at PUCC.BITNET (Loren A. Billings)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 00:42:06 EST
Subject: Russkaia proza XVIII veka (tom I)--need help
Message-ID: <FRI.26.JAN.1996.004206.EST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Dear colleagues:

Acolleague informs me that an example of the type I need is on page 240 or 244
of the following book:

_Russkaia proza VXIII veka._ Tom I. 1950.  A.V. Zapadov & G.P. Makogonenko, eds
I do not know the exact datum, except for
I do not know the exact example, except from the possibility that it contai the
words _u nikh_, followed by another word (such as _vsekh_ or _oboikh_).

The text was originally penned in 1768 and is abbrviated as _Mneniia pu_ (sic).

If you own this book, kindly relay the datum. --Loren (billings at mailer.fsu.edu)


From DORMAN at PLEARN.EDU.PL  Fri Jan 26 10:04:24 1996
From: DORMAN at PLEARN.EDU.PL (P.)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:04:24 CET
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <FRI.26.JAN.1996.100424.CET.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Hello,

this is I yet again.
I have proposition - so ... you translate poems for me from
Polish to English, and I translate for you something from English
to Polish (because I can translate only from English to Polish).
I have practise in this.


"There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance." Socrates


From jdingley at YorkU.CA  Fri Jan 26 17:38:40 1996
From: jdingley at YorkU.CA (John Dingley)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:38:40 -0500
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <FRI.26.JAN.1996.123840.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I am posting this msg for one of my students in beginning Russian.
Please reply, off list, to: Nick Temjanovski <yu125785 at yorku.ca>

John Dingley

-----------------
I am interested in attending an elementary Russian language course
in Moscow for 3 - 4 weeks this May.  If you know of such a course,
please send me details at: yu125785 at yorku.ca

Thanks.
Nick Temjanovski


From BILLINGS at PUCC.BITNET  Fri Jan 26 20:08:21 1996
From: BILLINGS at PUCC.BITNET (Loren A. Billings)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 15:08:21 EST
Subject: Follow up on _Russkaia proza ..._
Message-ID: <FRI.26.JAN.1996.150821.EST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Dear colleagues,

Yesterday I sent you a query about a book I needed someone to look in.  I have
since gotten the message back and it looks terrible, but barely coherent.  I
have a reputation for misspelling on this list, but last night the culprit was
a series of tenuous telnet links and bad computer display interfaces.  I still
haven't received any responses, so feel free to do so.  If you post to the
list, then it will keep anyone else from going through the effort to do so as
well.  If you send it to me (billings at mailer.fsu.edu), then I'll let the list
know not to keep looking.  Thanks again.  --Loren Billings


From MLLEMILY at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu  Sat Jan 27 18:49:06 1996
From: MLLEMILY at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (Emily Tall)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 13:49:06 -0500
Subject: Moldavians in Russian class
Message-ID: <SAT.27.JAN.1996.134906.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Does anyone else beside me have an enormous influx of emigres from
Moldavia in their classes? I have about half a dozen, all native
speakers of Russian, of course. We can't accommodate them in a
separate class, I don't want to kick them out, and yet it must
be discouraging to the other students in the class to have them
there. Emily Tall


From MLLEMILY at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu  Sat Jan 27 20:36:07 1996
From: MLLEMILY at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (Emily Tall)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 15:36:07 -0500
Subject: question for linguists
Message-ID: <SAT.27.JAN.1996.153607.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Can someone explain to me when you need to use "to, chto" to join 2
clauses and when you should omit it? (I am concerned only with use in
the accusative case.) For example, to translate "I want to understand
what I do," a student wrote: Ja xochu ponimat' to, chto ja delaju.
Is there any difference in meaning of the "to" is omitted? Some of
my students learned about "to,chto" while studying abroad and now
they are inserting it everywhere, but I don't know how to explain when
not to use it. I've checked in numerous textbooks and reference works.
Thanks! Emily Tall    mllemily at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu


From gfowler at indiana.edu  Sat Jan 27 21:09:48 1996
From: gfowler at indiana.edu (George Fowler)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 16:09:48 -0500
Subject: question for linguists
Message-ID: <SAT.27.JAN.1996.160948.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Emily,

>Can someone explain to me when you need to use "to, chto" to join 2
>clauses and when you should omit it? (I am concerned only with use in
>the accusative case.) For example, to translate "I want to understand
>what I do," a student wrote: Ja xochu ponimat' to, chto ja delaju.
>Is there any difference in meaning of the "to" is omitted? Some of
>my students learned about "to,chto" while studying abroad and now
>they are inserting it everywhere, but I don't know how to explain when
>not to use it. I've checked in numerous textbooks and reference works.

I reply to the list because this is an interesting question. There is an
excellent discussion of this and related issues somewhere in Charles
Townsend's Continuing with Russian (I actually taught a second year course
with that book once upon a time!). My (decidedly non-native) reaction is
that if "to" is present, the preferred reading with this word order is the
relative clause reading "I want to understand that which I am doing". If
omitted, but chto bears stress, you get an embedded indirect question: "I
want to understand, what am I doing?". The third possibility Townsend
discusses is the unstressed "chto", the complementizer "that", which
doesn't work here. In fact, I can't think of any sentence in which you
could reasonably get all three, i.e., a set of minimal pairs (well,
triplets). But you can come pretty close, e.g.:

1) Ja ponimaju to, chto ja delaju. 'I understand that which I am doing.'
2) Ja ponimaju, chto ja delaju? 'Do I understand what I am doing?'
3) Ja ponimaju, chto ja delaju oshibku.

If you vary word order, you can sometimes force a "to" in the sentences
representing the last two, to clarify what is going on, e.g.

3') To, chto ja delaju oshibku, ja prekrasno ponjal s samogo nachala.

Look at Townsend for some quite clear examples of all the variations.

George Fowler

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Dept. of Slavic Languages        [Home]   1-317-726-1482  **Try here first**
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Sat Jan 27 23:45:16 1996
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:45:16 -0500
Subject: Moldavians in Russian class
In-Reply-To: <01I0I9IQ24FS8WZZ1N@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <SAT.27.JAN.1996.184516.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Emily,

I did my student teaching of Russian in a high school with a large amount
of Russian-speaking emigres.  (I was scared to death going into it, by
the way!)  They had a seperate class within the class--did literature,
worked on their own, etc.  They had to take a language, and they were
allowed to take Russian, so this is how they were dealt with:
minimally.  Although I never had the chance--so I might be speaking a bit
naively--I would have liked to have integrated them into the whole
class.  I think it could have been done, if approached the right way.
Talk about great models for conversation!  I realize that native speakers
tend to intimidate non-native kids, but I think this could be overcome.
I think native-speaking students might be used as "assistants" who can
help other kids with their Russian.  Altho it could be awkward at first
and might take extra time with the teacher showing them how to assist, I
think it could be very beneficial to all.  I'll be interested to hear how
others respond.

Sincerely,

Devin


___________________________________________________________________________
Devin P. Browne                                   Clairton Education Center
Foreign Language Teacher                                 501 Waddell Avenue
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu                                      Clairton, PA  15025
                                                             (412) 233-9200


On Sat, 27 Jan 1996, Emily Tall wrote:

> Does anyone else beside me have an enormous influx of emigres from
> Moldavia in their classes? I have about half a dozen, all native
> speakers of Russian, of course. We can't accommodate them in a
> separate class, I don't want to kick them out, and yet it must
> be discouraging to the other students in the class to have them
> there. Emily Tall


From hdbaker at uci.edu  Sun Jan 28 01:29:54 1996
From: hdbaker at uci.edu (Harold D. Baker)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 17:29:54 -0800
Subject: Moldavians in Russian class
Message-ID: <SAT.27.JAN.1996.172954.0800.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

>Does anyone else beside me have an enormous influx of emigres from
>Moldavia in their classes? I have about half a dozen, all native
>speakers of Russian, of course. We can't accommodate them in a
>separate class, I don't want to kick them out, and yet it must
>be discouraging to the other students in the class to have them
>there. Emily Tall

I also have been running about 50% native speakers in my combined third-
and fourth-year Russian class (it's a very small class, with 7 students
overall, 4 of them native at the moment). My first reaction to this
situation was to move the curriculum in the direction of almost exclusively
communicative activities in which, supposedly, the natives would serve as
"resources" to the rest, promoting an intense level of student-motivated
hands-on learning. At the end of one quarter my non-native students were up
in arms, complaining heatedly that they didn't understand what was being
said in class, that they had no idea what was expected of them for a good
grade, and that the structure of the course could work only with
non-academic knowledge of the language. So I took Lenin's advice about one
step back. Now we have a comparatively structured curriculum, with quick
quizzes most days, recitation of homework assignments, vocab lists, and so
forth. On this basis I am attempting to continue the most successful
aspects of the "loose" curriculum, that is, Internet sessions once per
unit, video exercises at the same interval, plus literature and
independently-researched "culture bites," one student presentation per day.
To my surprise it turns out that this is much more challenging for the
natives! They don't understand Russian grammar and have narrow vocabularies
(some of them), and although they are perfectly fluent in ordinary
situations, they lack adult literacy, the awareness of language of educated
adults. This is a lot more work for me but I feel good about the change.

Harold D. "Biff" Baker
Program in Russian, HH156
University of California, Irvine
Irvine, CA 92717-5025 USA
hdbaker at uci.edu
1-714-824-6183/Fax 1-714-824-2379


From billings at mailer.fsu.edu  Sun Jan 28 02:28:41 1996
From: billings at mailer.fsu.edu (Loren A. Billings)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 21:28:41 -0500
Subject: to, chto
Message-ID: <SAT.27.JAN.1996.212841.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Emily,

It was nice to meet you at AATSEEL.  I wish to add briefly to George's
excellent answer.  Note that verbs which assign an oblique case do not
have the option of doing without _to_:

1.  I vladeiu tem, chto tebe nuzhno.  'I possess what you need.'

This is because that oblique case-assignment must be discharged.  With
certain accusative-assigning verbs (for various reasons, there has to be
an overt acc-case object):

2.  I izuchaiu (*matematiku).  'I study (= am majoring in) math.'
3.  I prochitaiu (*tvoiu knigu).  'I will read(-through) your book.'

[* within parens means "cannot be left out']

I would suspect that these verbs, too, require _to_ as well:

2'.  I izuchaiu (*to), chto vy prepodaete.
3'.  I prochitaiu (*to), chto ty napisala.

The optionality you see has to do with certain verbs that can take either
a noun-phrase or *clause* as its complement (i.e., none of exx. 1-3
above).  These are what George is discussing.

These are my somewhat half-baked responses.  This is not what I do
primarily, but none of this seems to be controversial.  Best,  --Loren


From MLLEMILY at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu  Sun Jan 28 05:03:46 1996
From: MLLEMILY at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (Emily Tall)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 00:03:46 -0500
Subject: Moldavians in Russian class
Message-ID: <SUN.28.JAN.1996.000346.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I like the idea of presentations by the emigres, especially "Biff"
Baker's point that they find them difficult. Non-native speakers like
myself don't have a good feel for what those kids need. Some of us
discussed this at AATSEEL and I wrote up a proposal to be presented
to the executive board that AATSEEL sponsor or coordinate some kind
of materials preparation so we don't all have to reinvent the wheel.
I have some of these kids in an advanced conversation class and I will
indeed use them as resources, especially for comprehension, i.e. having
my students interview them on various subjects. I am somewhat
pessimistic about how they will fit into an advanced grammar class,
though. Actually, I was asking specifically about kids from Moldavia;
we've been having emigres from Russia/Ukraine for quite a while, but
Moldavia is something new. Emily Tall


From burrous at teal.csn.net  Sun Jan 28 00:19:34 1996
From: burrous at teal.csn.net (David Burrous)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 23:19:34 -0100
Subject: What is "standard" in Russian
Message-ID: <SAT.27.JAN.1996.231934.0100.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Dear Seelangers:

I am working with a writing team made up of foreign language teachers in
the Jefferson County Public School System, to write the foreign language
content standards for our school district.  At this point we have five
"standards", one for listening, speaking, reading, writing, and culture.
Now, my question:  How does one say "standard" in Russian when referring to
a content standard like:  "Students communicate by speaking the target
language for a variety of purposes and audiences".
My dictionary lists a definition as _standard_.  Can I use that?  Or is
there some other more specialized way to say it?

Anyone answering this query will be treated to my recipe for "ukhvat".

A story follows:

15 years ago I have dinner at the house of Russian emigres.  At dinner, we
are each served a delightful "stew" in individual clay pota.  (The pots
were brought from Russia.)  I asked what "it" was called and she responded
"ukhvat".  During several trips to Russia I looked for those delightful
little pots.  I was unsuccessful.  Last summer I met a potter, in Colorado,
who told me that she could make me some little pots.  So, I contacted the
Russian emigre, with whom I had not spoken to for 15 years.  I asked if she
could give me the recipe for "ukhvat".  She said that she could draw one
for me!  I was confused.  It was at that point that she made me understand
that the "ukhvat" was the "fork" for taking the pots out of the oven, and
not the name of the stew or "zharkoye".    Well, I don't care, this stew
will always be "ukhvat" to me.  I share it with you forthwith:

Raw Beef (or chicken, or pork, or turkey)   cut into bite-size pieces.
Coat them with flour which has been seasoned with garlic salt and pepper.
(Place in a paper sack and shake to coat.)

Saute the meat quickly in a frying pan with a little oil.  Divide the meat
among the pots.

Chop one onion and saute it in a little oil.  Divide it among the pots.

Chop raw potatoes (1/2 per pot).  Divide it among the pots.

Slice raw carrots (1/2 per pot). Divide it among the pots.

Pour one cup of chicken bouillon into each pot.

Add a pinch of dill week, cilantro, parsley and a bay leaf to each pot.
(Do not break the bay leaf!)

Put the pots in a cold oven and bake at 375 degrees F. for one hour.  When
baked, take them out with your "ukhvat" fork (if you don't have one, do
what I did and ask your shop teacher to make you one)  and add a spoonful
of sour cream to each one.

Enjoy!


David E. Burrous                         * phone:       (303) 465-1144
Standley Lake Sr. High School | voice mail: (303) 982-3221
9300 West 104th Avenue          (  ) fax:           (303) 465-1403
Westminster, CO  80021,  USA   |  | e.mail:  burrous at csn.net
  -----------"Eh, l'vy! Nye Vy li vyli u Nyevy?!"------------


From burrous at teal.csn.net  Sun Jan 28 00:19:27 1996
From: burrous at teal.csn.net (David Burrous)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 23:19:27 -0100
Subject: Moldavians in Russian class
Message-ID: <SAT.27.JAN.1996.231927.0100.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

>Does anyone else beside me have an enormous influx of emigres from
>Moldavia in their classes? I have about half a dozen, all native
>speakers of Russian, of course. We can't accommodate them in a
>separate class, I don't want to kick them out, and yet it must
>be discouraging to the other students in the class to have them
>there. Emily Tall

Dear Emily:
My suggestion is for you to "kick them out".  I remember as an
undergraduate at the University of Colorado how discouraging it was to be
in a second year Russian class sitting next to a native speaker who held me
in contempt  due to my lack of linguistic facility and seemed to hold the
fact that they needed to be there to fulfill some requirement in contempt
also.  Perhaps a policy could be formulated which would exclude them from
the class before they  get there, then you wouldn't have to "kick them
out".  I would encourage them to study a different foreign language.
What's the point of studying Russian if you already speak Russian?

Sincerely yours,

David E. Burrous                         * phone:       (303) 465-1144
Standley Lake Sr. High School | voice mail: (303) 982-3221
9300 West 104th Avenue          (  ) fax:           (303) 465-1403
Westminster, CO  80021,  USA   |  | e.mail:  burrous at csn.net
  -----------"Eh, l'vy! Nye Vy li vyli u Nyevy?!"------------


From BILLINGS at PUCC.BITNET  Sun Jan 28 08:20:57 1996
From: BILLINGS at PUCC.BITNET (Loren A. Billings)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 03:20:57 EST
Subject: _Russkaia proza XVIII veka_ (thanks!)
Message-ID: <SUN.28.JAN.1996.032057.EST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Thanks to Steve Baehr for letting me know what the above -mentioned book says.

Thanks also to Keith Goeringer for the offer to look in the Berkeley-library
copy on Monday.  No longer necessary, Keith.


Best,  --Loren Billings (billings at mailer.fsu.edu)


From gfowler at indiana.edu  Sun Jan 28 13:47:27 1996
From: gfowler at indiana.edu (George Fowler)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 08:47:27 -0500
Subject: Moldavians in Russian class
Message-ID: <SUN.28.JAN.1996.084727.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

David Burrous writes (reasonably) about native speakers in Russian classes:

>My suggestion is for you to "kick them out".

...

>What's the point of studying Russian if you already speak Russian?

My wife Maria Pavlovszky, who teaches Russian at IUPUI (Indiana
University-Purdue University, Indianapolis--abominable name for a school!),
is faced with this problem all the time, and has yet to resolve it to her
satisfaction. Half of her students fall into this category; if she simply
kicked them out enrollments would be horrible. Moreover, in her case, these
are new immigrants from Ukraine and similar xUSSR countries. All of them
have some other language listed on their records as their official native
language (including Hebrew for those who passed through Israel), and they
insist that they have the "right" to take Russian. There's one other
practical consideration at IUPUI: many of these students have financial aid
which requires that they take 6 hours. 3 hours are naturally available in
an English course, so they need another 3 hours. Some of them don't really
know English well enough yet to take a normal course, so they sign up for
Russian. They claim (how true this is, I cannot judge) that without taking
Russian, they would lose their financial aid. It sounds fishy, yet she gets
this same story over and over.

George Fowler

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
George Fowler                    [Email]  gfowler at indiana.edu
Dept. of Slavic Languages        [Home]   1-317-726-1482  **Try here first**
Ballantine 502                   [Dept]   1-812-855-9906/-2624/-2608
Indiana University               [Office] 1-812-855-2829
Bloomington, IN  47405  USA      [Fax]    1-812-855-2107
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


From edraitse at shiva.Hunter.CUNY.EDU  Sun Jan 28 16:58:26 1996
From: edraitse at shiva.Hunter.CUNY.EDU (Emil Draitser)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 11:58:26 -0500
Subject: Moldavians in Russian class
In-Reply-To: <v01540500ad312d06a6fc@[134.68.249.32]>
Message-ID: <SUN.28.JAN.1996.115826.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

The problem of native speakers in beginning Russian classes is
nation-wide, it seems. At Hunter College in New York we face it as well.
However, George's question "why to study Russian if you already speak
it?" may be answered -- to learn how to write and read. In my first year
Russian class I have three students from x USSR who speak fluently, yet
make horrible mistakes in writing and read with difficulty. If their
effort to master their Russian is sincere (as is the case with two out
of three of these students) then they are not altogether hopeless. The
only difficulty is to grade them in such a way that the rest of the class
(American
students) won't feel disadvantaged. As one of our colleagues suggested,
the solution is to give the Russian speakers an entry test and make it
clear to them that their final grade for the class will reflect they
progress in this class only.
        Of course those Russians who came to Russian classes just to get
credits for doing nothing are hopeless, and those schools that couldn't
affford to chase them out because of low enrollments, have yet to figure out
what to do with them...
        The problem expressed above is related to classes with mixed
(Russian and American) student body only. At Hunter we offer a number of
classes that are successfuly taken by native speakers - besides literary
courses conducted in Russian we offer a practical translation course and
"English Grammar for speakers of Russian."
        There are a number of other problems with Russian
students--cheating, talking to each other during lecture time, lack of
analytical skills, etc. But
it's another, no less painful problem, which has yet to be addressed...
Emil A. Draitser
Hunter College of CUNY

On Sun, 28 Jan 1996, George Fowler wrote:

> David Burrous writes (reasonably) about native speakers in Russian classes:
>
> >My suggestion is for you to "kick them out".
>
> ...
>
> >What's the point of studying Russian if you already speak Russian?
>
> My wife Maria Pavlovszky, who teaches Russian at IUPUI (Indiana
> University-Purdue University, Indianapolis--abominable name for a school!),
> is faced with this problem all the time, and has yet to resolve it to her
> satisfaction. Half of her students fall into this category; if she simply
> kicked them out enrollments would be horrible. Moreover, in her case, these
> are new immigrants from Ukraine and similar xUSSR countries. All of them
> have some other language listed on their records as their official native
> language (including Hebrew for those who passed through Israel), and they
> insist that they have the "right" to take Russian. There's one other
> practical consideration at IUPUI: many of these students have financial aid
> which requires that they take 6 hours. 3 hours are naturally available in
> an English course, so they need another 3 hours. Some of them don't really
> know English well enough yet to take a normal course, so they sign up for
> Russian. They claim (how true this is, I cannot judge) that without taking
> Russian, they would lose their financial aid. It sounds fishy, yet she gets
> this same story over and over.
>
> George Fowler
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> George Fowler                    [Email]  gfowler at indiana.edu
> Dept. of Slavic Languages        [Home]   1-317-726-1482  **Try here first**
> Ballantine 502                   [Dept]   1-812-855-9906/-2624/-2608
> Indiana University               [Office] 1-812-855-2829
> Bloomington, IN  47405  USA      [Fax]    1-812-855-2107
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>


From TOOPS at TWSUVM.UC.TWSU.EDU  Sun Jan 28 17:05:19 1996
From: TOOPS at TWSUVM.UC.TWSU.EDU (Gary H. Toops)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 11:05:19 CST
Subject: NATIVE SPEAKERS IN RUSSIAN CLASSES
Message-ID: <SUN.28.JAN.1996.110519.CST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I've been following with interest the discussion of Russian-speaking
students (from Moldova, Ukraine, etc.) in college-level Russian-
language classes.  I teach Russian in a foreign-language (largely
Spanish) department.  The policies already in place for the enrollment
of native speakers of Spanish in Spanish classes have thankfully spared
me the problem of dealing with native speakers of Russian in my classes.
According to these policies, a native speaker is not only someone who
speaks the language in question at home with his/her family, but also
someone who has previously received a substantial portion of his/her
(primary and/or secondary) education in that language.  Native speakers
thus defined are barred from enrolling in any "lower-division" (100-
and 200-level) courses in their native language.

A few years ago in my 3rd-semester Russian class I had an Armenian stu-
dent who had attended and graduated from a Russian high school in
Baku, Azerbaijan.  Even though he insisted that his native language was
Armenian and that he spoke Armenian at home (which was confirmed by
a faculty member of Armenian descent), I was able to make that student
drop my Russian course by pointing out that his entire pre-college edu-
cation had been in Russian.

It was nevertheless interesting to note that that student had *not* been
"acing" the course:  he may have had a native command of Russian, but
his knowledge of English was nowhere near the same level, and so in
translation exercises (both English-Russian and Russian-English) he
regularly made mistakes that my other, American students did not.
Although his Russian translations were perfect from the standpoint of
grammaticality, they often deviated in meaning from the original English
sentences, which this student had apparently not fully understood.

I, too, have encountered students who need to "carry" a certain number
of credit hours each semester in order to continue qualifying for
financial aid.  At Wichita State this usually results in students
enrolling in classes they never attend; the financial-aid policy re-
quires only that they *enroll* in a certain number of classes, not that
they pass them all.  Consequently, many students willingly ignore and
fail courses for which they've enrolled as part of the price of securing
financial aid.


Gary H. Toops                               TOOPS at TWSUVM.UC.TWSU.EDU
Associate Professor                         Ph (316) 689-3180
Wichita State University                    Fx (316) 689-3293
Wichita, Kansas 67260-0011 USA              http://www.twsu.edu/~mcllwww


From MLLEMILY at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu  Sun Jan 28 17:51:36 1996
From: MLLEMILY at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (Emily Tall)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 12:51:36 -0500
Subject: Moldavians in Russian class
Message-ID: <SUN.28.JAN.1996.125136.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I don't think kicking them out is viable any more, due to falling
enrollments and immense pressure from t he state government to improve
our "productivity." Emily Tall


From genevra at u.washington.edu  Sun Jan 28 18:17:28 1996
From: genevra at u.washington.edu (James Gerhart)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 10:17:28 -0800
Subject: Moldavians in Russian class
In-Reply-To: <01I0IUZJPMHE8X0GF4@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <SUN.28.JAN.1996.101728.0800.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

At least half of the problem in dealing with native speakers would be
solved, or at least ameliorated significantly, if your universities would
screen for proficiency in English.  This would at least encourage the
would-be student to put the effort where it is needed, and when.
Genevra Gerhart


From COLACINO at pzvx85.cisit.unibas.it  Sun Jan 28 17:26:02 1996
From: COLACINO at pzvx85.cisit.unibas.it (Carmine Colacino USB-PZ)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 19:26:02 +0200
Subject: Moldavians in Russian class
Message-ID: <SUN.28.JAN.1996.192602.0200.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I was surprised to hear that , according to Genevra Gerhart, US Universities
do not screen for proficiency in English. I was myself a foreign student
in the US, and I had to take a test in my own country (e a Test of English I
 mean)
called TOEFL, and when I arrived at the US University they tested me (ans   d
 all
the other non-native speakers of English) again. Who did not pass had to take
an English class g for a semester.
Moreover, why not just test the students in Russian and not admit them is   f
their proficiency is already at the level of the class they want to enrol, or
why not enrol them in more advanced class?
Sorry for my naive propositions, as i am not a teacher of languages :)

Carmine Colacino
Dept. of Biology
Univ. of Basilicata
Potenza, Italy


From mlauner at garnet.acns.fsu.edu  Sun Jan 28 19:19:13 1996
From: mlauner at garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Michael K. Launer)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 14:19:13 -0500
Subject: What is "standard" in Russian
Message-ID: <SUN.28.JAN.1996.141913.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

On 1/27 David Burrous asked:

> How does one say "standard" in Russian when referring to
>a content standard like:  "Students communicate by speaking the target
>language for a variety of purposes and audiences".

There is a concept in the nuclear industry called "Performance Objectives
and Criteria," meaning what needs to be done and how to evaluate the extent
to which the implementer met the goal(s). On that basis, might some native
or nativoid pass judgment on the following:

cel' obshchenija
cel' rechevoj dejatel'nosti

Michael K. Launer
Department of Modern Languages & Linguistics
The Florida State University
Tallahassee, Florida USA 32306

tel: 904-562-8671
fax: 904-562-8717
e-mail: mlauner at garnet.acns.fsu.edu


From MLLEMILY at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu  Sun Jan 28 19:25:54 1996
From: MLLEMILY at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (Emily Tall)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 14:25:54 -0500
Subject: Moldavians in Russian class
Message-ID: <SUN.28.JAN.1996.142554.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

To repeat: the reason I am accepting the Moldavians, etc., is clear: it
is a matter of survival. Declining enrollments + pressure from above =
we accept everyone. Why not enroll them in an advanced class: we don't
have any. Emily Tall


From MLDYER at UMSVM.BITNET  Sun Jan 28 21:14:53 1996
From: MLDYER at UMSVM.BITNET (Donald L. Dyer)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 15:14:53 CST
Subject: Russian-Speakers Taking Elementary Russian
Message-ID: <SUN.28.JAN.1996.151453.CST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Dear Colleagues:

   I am not unsympathetic to the plight of Russian programs with
decreasing enrollments; I like most of you, I am sure, would like to
see Russian-language enrollments on the increase at American universities.
But I have to say that I would hate to think that the continuation
and or success of my Russian program was dependent on native speakers
of Russian enrolling in my elementary Russian-language courses. There
are other, much better ways to sustain a program, many of which were
discussed this past fall on this list. My sense is that many programs
would actually lose more of the kind of student they want - the one who
has not taken Russian before - by allowing the Russian-speakers in, than
they will retain of the students they would rather not have - the native
speakers of Russian. Let's be honest about this ... who wants to enroll
in an introductory language class - in any language - and then sit down
next to a native speaker of that language. Nothing justifies this.

Donald L. Dyer
Associate Professor of Russian and Linguistics
The University of Mississippi
<mldyer at vm.cc.olemiss.edu>


From keg at violet.berkeley.edu  Sun Jan 28 22:29:40 1996
From: keg at violet.berkeley.edu (Keith Goeringer)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 14:29:40 -0800
Subject: (near-) native speakers in classes
Message-ID: <SUN.28.JAN.1996.142940.0800.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

This has been an issue in our Slavic department for a while.  A partial
(though still not completely satisfactory) solution was the establishment
of a self-paced class for native speakers, in which they work at their own
pace under the direction of a native- (or near-native-) speaker faculty
member.

I am teaching the non-native-speaker self-paced course this year, and, as
invariably happens, at least one native speaker tried to sneak in.  He was
exiled to the other class with dispatch, since he chose to ignore my
request that native speakers identify themselves as such.

Regarding the problems one can encounter with native or heritage speakers
in the class, I remember one student who started turning in homework
written in two distinct handwritings.  When I questioned him about it, he
sheepishly told me that his father had insisted on finishing his homework,
so he (the son) could concentrate on his chemistry--which was, after all,
his major!  So the fault does not always lie with the student...

Keith

Keith Goeringer
UC Berkeley
Slavic Languages & Literatures
keg at violet.berkeley.edu


From billings at mailer.fsu.edu  Sun Jan 28 22:38:22 1996
From: billings at mailer.fsu.edu (Loren A. Billings)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 17:38:22 -0500
Subject: More on _to, chto_
Message-ID: <SUN.28.JAN.1996.173822.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Dear colleagues (again):

A kind soul pointed out to me that the notations in my response to Emily
were mistaken.  An asterisk inside parentheses means "not even an option",
while an asterisk before parentheses means "not optionally deletable".  I
regret any confusion I've heaped on others.  I myself have to think long
and hard when I see such notations (and, alas, get it wrong some of the time).

Additionally, the message was intended for just Emily, so I apologize
(again) for the unintended dissemination to the list.

Apologetically,

--Loren Billings
billings at mailer.fsu.edu


From goscilo+ at pitt.edu  Sun Jan 28 23:53:30 1996
From: goscilo+ at pitt.edu (Helena Goscilo)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 18:53:30 -0500
Subject: Death (and, probably, taxes)
In-Reply-To: <199601282238.AA24900@mailer.fsu.edu>
Message-ID: <SUN.28.JAN.1996.185330.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

At the risk of sounding ghoulish, I wish to inform those who care about
writers' births and deaths that Joseph Brodsky died in his sleep last
night. R. i. p.
Helena Goscilo


From charlo at u.washington.edu  Mon Jan 29 00:20:24 1996
From: charlo at u.washington.edu (Charlotte Wallace)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 16:20:24 -0800
Subject: Death (and, probably, taxes)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.3.89.9601281849.A9494-0100000@unixs3.cis.pitt.edu>
Message-ID: <SUN.28.JAN.1996.162024.0800.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I had heard of Brodsky's death through a friend who was listening to the
BBC.  I am in mourning as he was a great inspiration.  Was he at home in
New York?  Lef Lifshitz, Elena Sokol, Jane Knox, where are you?  I wish
to share my grief.


Charlotte Wallace
Academic Counselor
Romance Lang and Lit, 354360
Seattle WA 98195 (206-543-2075)

On Sun, 28 Jan 1996, Helena Goscilo wrote:

> At the risk of sounding ghoulish, I wish to inform those who care about
> writers' births and deaths that Joseph Brodsky died in his sleep last
> night. R. i. p.
> Helena Goscilo
>


From MLLEMILY at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu  Mon Jan 29 02:04:02 1996
From: MLLEMILY at ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (Emily Tall)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 21:04:02 -0500
Subject: Russian-Speakers Taking Elementary Russian
Message-ID: <SUN.28.JAN.1996.210402.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Re Prof. Dyer's posting on not letting native Russians into elementary
classes: I agree with you completely. Actually I've been speaking here
about second-year and above. The thing is, we are a state university,
and we get students saying they have a right to take these courses,
that they are forgetting their Russian (if they are from, say, Moldavia),
that they make mistakes when they write letters. And sometimes it is
possible to find creative ways of using them in class. Emily Tall


From austinov at leland.stanford.edu  Sun Jan 28 13:09:24 1996
From: austinov at leland.stanford.edu (Andrey Ustinov)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 18:09:24 +0500
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <SUN.28.JAN.1996.180924.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Iosif Aleksandrovich Brodskii died last night in his sleep at home.
This news were announced in the Russian TV programme "Vesti" and on the BBC.
I wish to share my grief with those for whom it is not just a matter of
poet's death.

Andrey Ustinov.


From ewb2 at cornell.edu  Mon Jan 29 01:27:00 1996
From: ewb2 at cornell.edu (E. Wayles Browne)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 21:27:00 -0400
Subject: Help! NIOKR
Message-ID: <SUN.28.JAN.1996.212700.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I am translating diplomas of graduates of the Moskovskii institut
stali i splavov. On the list of courses, I find: Ekonomika i
organizatsiia NIOKR, Kursovoi proekt po ekonomike i organizatsii
NIOKR. The graduates themselves do not recall exactly what NIOKR
is. Can any reader help?
Thank you,

Wayles Browne, Assoc. Prof. of Linguistics
Morrill Hall, Cornell University
Ithaca, New York 14853, U.S.A.
tel. 607-255-0712 (o), 607-273-3009 (h)
fax 607-255-2044 (write FOR W. BROWNE)
e-mail ewb2 at cornell.edu (1989 to 1993 was: jn5j at cornella.bitnet //
jn5j at cornella.cit.cornell.edu)


From TOOPS at TWSUVM.UC.TWSU.EDU  Mon Jan 29 02:38:23 1996
From: TOOPS at TWSUVM.UC.TWSU.EDU (Gary H. Toops)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 20:38:23 CST
Subject: Help! NIOKR
In-Reply-To: ewb2@cornell.edu -- Sun, 28 Jan 1996 21:27:00 -0400
Message-ID: <SUN.28.JAN.1996.203823.CST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

According to my _Slovar' sokrashchenij russkogo jazyka_, <NIOKR>
stands for <nauchno-issledovatel'skie i opytno-konstruktorskie raboty>.

Cheeers,

-=GARY=-

Gary H. Toops                               TOOPS at TWSUVM.UC.TWSU.EDU
Associate Professor                         Ph (316) 689-3180
Wichita State University                    Fx (316) 689-3293
Wichita, Kansas 67260-0011 USA              http://www.twsu.edu/~mcllwww


From ewb2 at cornell.edu  Mon Jan 29 04:24:35 1996
From: ewb2 at cornell.edu (E. Wayles Browne)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 00:24:35 -0400
Subject: Help! NIOKR
Message-ID: <MON.29.JAN.1996.002435.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

>According to my _Slovar' sokrashchenij russkogo jazyka_, <NIOKR>
>stands for <nauchno-issledovatel'skie i opytno-konstruktorskie raboty>.

Many thanks to Gary Toops!
Wayles


From SRogosin at aol.com  Mon Jan 29 07:08:17 1996
From: SRogosin at aol.com (Serge Rogosin)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 02:08:17 -0500
Subject: balalaika outside of russia
Message-ID: <MON.29.JAN.1996.020817.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I am doing research for a book on balalaika.  There will be several chapters
devoted to the balalaika and related instruments abroad.  Since this is a
fairly under-researched topic, it is quite possible that there are
orchestras, individual musicians and other connections to the balalaika, past
or present, of which I am  unaware.
I am also currently working on an aricle on the balalaika in New York that
will come out well before the book, so any information or leads pertaining to
the New York area will be of special interest.  Please send me any leads
off-line.  Any information, no matter how incomplete or seemingly obvious,
will be much appreciated.

Serge Rogosin
93-49 222 Street
Queens Village, NY 11428
E-mail:SRogosin at aol.com


From mlauner at garnet.acns.fsu.edu  Mon Jan 29 12:17:08 1996
From: mlauner at garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Michael K. Launer)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 07:17:08 -0500
Subject: FW: Please read - VIRUSES !!!
Message-ID: <MON.29.JAN.1996.071708.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

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>Subject:      FW: Please read - VIRUSES !!!
>To: Multiple recipients of list LANTRA-L <LANTRA-L at SEARN.SUNET.SE>
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From jslindst at cc.helsinki.fi  Mon Jan 29 12:35:03 1996
From: jslindst at cc.helsinki.fi (Jouko Lindstedt)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 14:35:03 +0200
Subject: FW: Please read - VIRUSES !!!
In-Reply-To: <v01530502ad3137f18374@DialupEudora>
Message-ID: <MON.29.JAN.1996.143503.0200.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Oh dear, that old joke is still going round! I think there is somewhere a
FAQ about the "good times" hoax?

Jouko Lindstedt
Department of Slavonic Languages, University of Helsinki
e-mail: Jouko.Lindstedt at Helsinki.Fi or jslindst at cc.helsinki.fi
http://www.helsinki.fi/~jslindst/


From mlauner at garnet.acns.fsu.edu  Mon Jan 29 13:10:48 1996
From: mlauner at garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Michael K. Launer)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 08:10:48 -0500
Subject: Moldavians in Russian class
Message-ID: <MON.29.JAN.1996.081048.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Why should grading be such a problem? We handle this in classes with both
MA and undergraduate students by having two different sets of grading
criteria. No problem.

Michael K. Launer
Department of Modern Languages & Linguistics
The Florida State University
Tallahassee, Florida USA 32306

tel: 904-562-8671
fax: 904-562-8717
e-mail: mlauner at garnet.acns.fsu.edu


From gfowler at indiana.edu  Mon Jan 29 16:11:55 1996
From: gfowler at indiana.edu (George Fowler)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:11:55 -0500
Subject: Editing internships in Moscow
Message-ID: <MON.29.JAN.1996.111155.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Greetings, SEELangers!

I have been asked to post this to the list by a colleague who isn't on
SEELangs. This could be an opportunity for someone who would like to go to
Moscow for a year. No endorsement implied etc. etc. I actually know a grad
student at another university who did this for a year; if someone would
like me to put them in touch with her, I'll be happy to do so off-list (but
I don't want to post that person's address to the list).

George Fowler

   INTERNSHIP IN MOSCOW:

Edit English-language journals of the
Russian Academy of Sciences

Learn about publishing and translating

Work in Russia

MAIK Nauka is a Russian-American company that translates and publishes
journals of the Russian Academy of Sciences. We are seeking qualified
individuals who would like to work in Moscow as Language Editors and learn
about publishing and translating. Applicants should be native speakers of
English with a minimum of two years college-level Russian-language study
(or the equivalent). Editing experience and a scientific background are
pluses.  You will receive:

        Work permit and visa support
        Monthly hard currency stipend + semi-annual bonus
        Round-trip plane ticket (reimbursement)

The internship is a year-long commitment. We do most of our hiring for the
August - August production year; if you would like to be considered for
this time period, please have your application to us by May 1. However, we
hire individuals throughout the year and consider applications at any time.
The internship lasts one year (plus one week for training) from the date
you begin work. We notify you of your acceptance status within a month from
the date that we receive your application.

To apply please write, fax, or e-mail me at the below addresses for an
application:

        Phone, fax or e-mail:         Courier service (using U.S. postage):

        tel.    7 (095) 336-74-20 ext. 44        Internship
        fax.    7 (095) 336-06-66                               MAIK
Nauka/Pleiades, PPI 057
        e-mail: ledept at maik.rssi.ru                        208 E. 51st
Street, Box 295

New York, NY  10022  USA

Attn: Jennifer Sunseri

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From lonhyn at tiw.com  Mon Jan 29 16:51:35 1996
From: lonhyn at tiw.com (Lonhyn Jasinskyj)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 08:51:35 PST
Subject: FW: Please read - VIRUSES !!!
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 29 Jan 1996 07:17:08 PST."
 <v01530502ad3137f18374@DialupEudora>
Message-ID: <MON.29.JAN.1996.085135.PST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Yes, this Good Times virus is very dangerous. I have had three
CPUs burn-out because of it. At first I did not realize what was
happening and only after the third one did I realize that reading
my email (and in particular a piece of mail labelled "Looking
for a Good Time?") was the triggering event of my computer's demise.

I have to agree with the warning that claims that the CPU (computer
processing unit) is put into a tight, infinite loop. A Pentium
loops much faster than a 486 I would also imagine. I am sure of
this because the internal momentum carried by the spinning loop caused
my chip to remain hot for two or three weeks after I unplugged it and
removed it from my motherboard. I found that the 120mhZ Penitum
was considerably hotter unplugged than the original 90 mhZ that
I had in there. (I thought that a dead CPU was a good excuse to
upgrade to a faster chip).

I'm glad that at least in this country we have an agency like the
FCC. Had I caught their warning in time I could have saved myself
a lot of money. I envy the foresight of my civil servants, what will
happen if the government shuts down? Will viruses take over the
Internet? I can only conclude that they will.

I tried typing this message in all-caps but my caps-lock key seems
to be broken. Maybe burnt out by a virus? Has anyone else had this
problem?

Be careful out there!

Signed,
Worried in the Silicon Valley
(Lonhyn Jasinskyj)


From jslindst at cc.helsinki.fi  Mon Jan 29 17:01:34 1996
From: jslindst at cc.helsinki.fi (Jouko Lindstedt)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 19:01:34 +0200
Subject: FW: Please read - VIRUSES !!!
In-Reply-To: <SEELANGS%96012911513660@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Message-ID: <MON.29.JAN.1996.190134.0200.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Just a short explanation for those who have not come accross the "good
times" hoax before. The warning message _itself_ is the "virus" in the
sense that it continues to reappear, it won't stop circulating for a long
time, and nobody knows who started it (as far as I know). There are no
real viruses that could spread by ordinary e-mail files. (Of course a
real virus could be coded as an executable attachment to an e-mail
message, or as a Word text file with macros in it, but in both cases
the recipient should do much more than simply read the message.)

Jouko Lindstedt
Department of Slavonic Languages, University of Helsinki
e-mail: Jouko.Lindstedt at Helsinki.Fi or jslindst at cc.helsinki.fi
http://www.helsinki.fi/~jslindst/


From msherw at OREGON.UOREGON.EDU  Mon Jan 29 19:00:52 1996
From: msherw at OREGON.UOREGON.EDU (Martha Sherwood)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 11:00:52 -0800
Subject: Russian-Speakers Taking Elementary Russian
Message-ID: <MON.29.JAN.1996.110052.0800.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Faculty members who are seeing this problem for the first time might want
to consult with the people responsible for teaching Chinese at their
institution, since they have been dealing with it longer and may have
established policies.  Our East Asian languages department at the
University of Oregon has quite specific policies on the subject.  They have
a similar problem with determining whether an individual whose native
language of record is something else is also fluent in Chinese but is
trying to register for an elementary course to get easy credits or boost
his GPA.  Also, although their enrollments aren't historically as volatile
as in Russian, their advanced classes are quite small and they have reasons
(both pedagogical and financial) for wanting to encourage native speakers
to participate in the program at an appropriate level.

Martha Sherwood
Office Coordinator, Russian


From swan+ at pitt.edu  Mon Jan 29 19:14:50 1996
From: swan+ at pitt.edu (Oscar E Swan)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 14:14:50 -0500
Subject: deletability of to in to, chto constructions.
In-Reply-To: <SEELANGS%96012911513660@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Message-ID: <MON.29.JAN.1996.141450.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

i agree with george fowler that townsend has some good things to say
about to, chto and such-like constructions (chs. 3-4), but i don't think
this is what emily tall was asking about. she wants to know, i think, why
one does not say such things as -ja ponimaju (*to), chto vy chitaete
po-russkij. i don't have an airtight explanation, but there is a good
rule of thumb. the stupider it sounds to say  "the fact or circustance
that", the better it is to delete -to-. it sounds relatively stupid to
say "i understand the fact
that you read russian", so leave out -to-. i think i might disagree with
townsend (p.183) that such constructions are derived from -to, schto- by
deleting -to-. i'm not sure -to- was ever there.

the companion part of this rule of thumb is that if it -does- sound all
right to say 'the fact that', then one generally must use -to-. For
example, one can be amazed at or interested in facts, so one tends to say
-interesujus' tem, chto vy chitaete po-russki-, and so on.

many verbs can break either way, e.g. uveren (v tom), uznat' (o tom),
and so on. as townsend says, formal writing tends to keep the factive
connector, informal style tends to leave it out.

I don't think the fact that a verb takes an oblique complement has
anything to do with to-deletability. consider bojus', rad, uveren, etc.


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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1417 Cathedral of Learning   Univ. of Pittsburgh  15260
412-624-5707      swan+ at pitt.edu
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From flier at HUSC.BITNET  Tue Jan 30 00:22:40 1996
From: flier at HUSC.BITNET (Michael Flier)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 19:22:40 -0500
Subject: Help! NIOKR
In-Reply-To: <v02120000ad31d2586d2a@[132.236.102.92]>
Message-ID: <MON.29.JAN.1996.192240.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Dear Wayles,

NIOKR stands for nauchno-issledovatel'skie i opytno-konstruktorskie raboty.

Best regards,

Michael Flier

On Sun, 28 Jan 1996, E. Wayles Browne wrote:

> I am translating diplomas of graduates of the Moskovskii institut
> stali i splavov. On the list of courses, I find: Ekonomika i
> organizatsiia NIOKR, Kursovoi proekt po ekonomike i organizatsii
> NIOKR. The graduates themselves do not recall exactly what NIOKR
> is. Can any reader help?
> Thank you,
>
> Wayles Browne, Assoc. Prof. of Linguistics
> Morrill Hall, Cornell University
> Ithaca, New York 14853, U.S.A.
> tel. 607-255-0712 (o), 607-273-3009 (h)
> fax 607-255-2044 (write FOR W. BROWNE)
> e-mail ewb2 at cornell.edu (1989 to 1993 was: jn5j at cornella.bitnet //
> jn5j at cornella.cit.cornell.edu)
>


From vakarel at OREGON.UOREGON.EDU  Tue Jan 30 01:45:00 1996
From: vakarel at OREGON.UOREGON.EDU (Vakareliyska)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 17:45:00 -0800
Subject: Application deadline, UO M.A. Program
Message-ID: <MON.29.JAN.1996.174500.0800.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

       Please note that the application deadline for admission to the M.A.
Program in Russian Literature and Slavic Linguistics at the University of
Oregon is _February 15, 1996_.  Late applications will be considered,
subject to availability of spaces.  A short description of the program
follows.


*       *       *       *       *       *       *       *       *       *
*

           M.A. Program in Russian Literature and Slavic Linguistics
                                Department of Russian
                                University of Oregon
                                   Eugene, Oregon


Graduate Programs:  The Department of Russian at the University of Oregon
offers a comprehensive M.A. program in Russian Literature and Slavic
Linguistics.  Upon successful completion of the program, M.A. graduates
from the Department are qualified to apply for the Ph.D. program in
linguistics, with a specialization in Slavic linguistics, in the University
of Oregon Department of Linguistics, or the Ph.D. program in the Department
of Comparative Literature.

Languages:   The Department offers graduate-level courses in Russian,
Bulgarian and Polish. Instruction in other Slavic languages, Romanian, and
Latvian is also available on a tutorial basis.

Financial Aid:  Teaching fellowships are available to qualified graduate
students.

Visiting Professorships:  The Marjorie Lindholm Professorship in Russian
Language, Literature and Culture provides for regular one-month and one- or
two-term visiting professorships in the Department by distinguished figures
in the areas of Russian literature, linguistics and culture. The Lindholm
Professor for 1996-97 will be Andrei Sinyavsky.

Russian and East European Studies Center (REESC):  M.A. candidates in the
Department of Russian are eligible to receive a certificate in Russian and
East European Studies from REESC, upon completion of required coursework in
language, culture, and history of Russia or Eastern Europe.


                                M.A. Courses
        1995-96                                         1996-97 (projected)

Pushkin                                                 Modern Russian Poetry
Dostoevsky                                              Three Comic Masters
(Gogol,
Russian Women Writers                                       Chekhov, Zoshchenko)
The Russian Novel and World Literature                  Turgenev
Russian Film and Literature                             Dostoevsky
Russian Folklore                                        Old Russian Literature
Slavic Civilization                                     Old Church Slavonic
Polish Civilization                                     History of the Russian
Balkan Cultures                                            Literary Language
Structure of Russian I: Phonology and Morphology        Medieval Slavic Texts
Structure of Russian II: Syntax, Semantics, Discourse   Gender Discourse
Issues in
Introduction to the Slavic Languages                       Russian
First-Year Polish                                       Russian Cinema
Second-Year Polish                                      Slavic Civilization
First-Year Bulgarian                                    Polish Civilization
                                                        Balkan Cultures
                                                        Advanced Russian
Reading and
                                                           Translation
                                                        First-Year Polish
                                                        Second-Year Polish
                                                        Second-Year
Bulgarian

For further information and application materials, contact Department of
Russian, University of Oregon, Eugene, OR 97403-1262
(msherw at oregon.uoregon.edu).


From omalley at hawaii.edu  Tue Jan 30 05:28:41 1996
From: omalley at hawaii.edu (Lurana OMalley)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 19:28:41 -1000
Subject: New 1996 Listserv on Catherine the Great
Message-ID: <MON.29.JAN.1996.192841.1000.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Please excuse crossposting of this message.


EKATERINA-L

ANNOUNCING A NEW LISTSERV (e-mail discussion list)
on Catherine the Great of Russia

in this the bicentennial of her death

This listserv discussion (EKATERINA-L) will be devoted to scholarly
consultation about the life and times and impact of
Catherine the Great, Empress of Russia (1729-96).  We welcome
participation from scholars in many fields and accept contributions in
English as well as Catherine's main modern Western languages: Russian,
German, and French.

Our hope is to conduct the discussion in this one year, 1996. Therefore
we invite your active participation in EKATERINA-L over the next eleven
months, addressing questions such as these:

 -- What does the reception of Catherine the Great in her day and now
 tell us about women and power?
 -- What are the issues (cultural, political, ethnic, national, literary)
that are raised when a German princess becomes the Russian Empress?
 -- What is Catherine's importance as a collector and preserver of art and
 arts?
 -- What are important aspects of the cultural period in multi-cultural
Russia and what were her contributions to it?
 -- How is Catherine, or is she not, a Russian?
 -- How is she, or is she not, an Enlightenment figure?

 We invite more questions and as many answers and parts of answers as any
 of us can come up with.

 By subscribing to the list, you let other scholars know of your interest
 in the issues Catherine raises, in Catherine as historical or cultural
 figure, in this time period, and in professional and scholarly events
 related to Catherine the Great.

 We seek scholars in many fields, such as eighteenth-century studies,
 Russian studies, women's studies, history, literature, theater, music,
 art. Please let your colleagues know!

 How to subscribe:

Send an email message to this address: LISTSERV at UHCCVM.ITS.HAWAII.EDU
 (Or if you need to, send it to LISTSERV at UHCCVM.BITNET)

 The message itself should contain one line:

                 SUBSCRIBE EKATERINA-L <your name>

 In my case, for example, the message would look like this:

                  SUBSCRIBE EKATERINA-L Ruth P. Dawson

 Within a day of getting your message (unless we, the "list owners" get
 really tied up away from our computers), you will receive confirmation
 that you are signed on. We look forward to a lively and informative year.


 Ruth Dawson                            Lurana Donnels O'Malley
 Assoc. Prof. of Women's Studies        Assist. Prof. of Theatre and Dance
 University of Hawaii at Manoa          University of Hawaii at Manoa
 Women's Studies Program                Dept. of Theatre and Dance
 2424 Maile Way, Porteus 722            1770 East-West Road
 Honolulu, Hawaii 96822                  Honolulu, Hawaii 96822

 Tel. 808 956-8669                       Tel. 808 956-9609
 Fax  808 956-9616                       Fax  808 956-4234

 e-mail:   dawson at hawaii.edu             e-mail:   omalley at hawaii.edu


From russjb at emory.edu  Tue Jan 30 08:04:35 1996
From: russjb at emory.edu (Jack Blanshei)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 03:04:35 EST
Subject: Help! NIOKR
Message-ID: <TUE.30.JAN.1996.030435.EST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

>I am translating diplomas of graduates of the Moskovskii institut
>stali i splavov. On the list of courses, I find: Ekonomika i
>organizatsiia NIOKR, Kursovoi proekt po ekonomike i organizatsii
>NIOKR. The graduates themselves do not recall exactly what NIOKR
>is. Can any reader help?

NIOKR = Nauchno-issledovatel'skie i opytno-konstruktorskiye raboty

Jack Blanshei
Department of Russian Studies
Candler Library Rm 407
Emory University
Atlanta, Ga. 30322
Tel. (404) 727-4014
Fax  (404) 727-2257


From WIEGERS at let.RUG.NL  Tue Jan 30 14:29:35 1996
From: WIEGERS at let.RUG.NL (H.B.M. Wiegers)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:29:35 +0100
Subject: Zamiatin
Message-ID: <TUE.30.JAN.1996.152935.0100.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Who could inform me where to find the Russian texts of the following
three plays of Evgenii Zamiatin:

- Istoriia goroda Glupova
- Peshchera
- Sensaciia

It seems that the book E. Zamiatin, P'esy, Moskva, Iskusstvo 1991,
ISBN 5-210-00195-4, has never been edited.
Or could anyone make a suggestion about where to search eventually
unedited texts or even the manuscripts involved?

Furthermore I have a second question: How would one translate "Rzhui
Rim" in E. Zamiatin, Atilla, Tragediia v chetyrekh deistviiakh, first
act, first clause of "Kmeti, strazha" (in: Neimanis, 1982, E.
Zamiatin, Sochineniia, tom vtoroi, page 403).

Thank you for your kind and early reply!



Ben Wiegers
Slavic Department
University of Groningen
the Netherlands


From d-powelstock at UCHICAGO.EDU  Sun Jan 28 21:32:37 1996
From: d-powelstock at UCHICAGO.EDU (David Powelstock)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 15:32:37 -0600
Subject: What is "standard" in Russian
Message-ID: <SUN.28.JAN.1996.153237.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Um, I'm not sure I understand the original English, but if 'standard' here
is to mean some sort of mark or model against which something is to be
measured, perhaps the needed Russian word is _norma_ (like English 'norm,'
but with wider usage).

Hope that helps.

Best,
David

At 02:19 PM 1/28/96 -0500, you wrote:
>On 1/27 David Burrous asked:
>
>> How does one say "standard" in Russian when referring to
>>a content standard like:  "Students communicate by speaking the target
>>language for a variety of purposes and audiences".
>
>There is a concept in the nuclear industry called "Performance Objectives
>and Criteria," meaning what needs to be done and how to evaluate the extent
>to which the implementer met the goal(s). On that basis, might some native
>or nativoid pass judgment on the following:
>
>cel' obshchenija
>cel' rechevoj dejatel'nosti
>
>Michael K. Launer
>Department of Modern Languages & Linguistics
>The Florida State University
>Tallahassee, Florida USA 32306
>
>tel: 904-562-8671
>fax: 904-562-8717
>e-mail: mlauner at garnet.acns.fsu.edu
>
>
****************************************************************
*       David Powelstock                (O)   312-702-0035              *
*       Slavic Languages & Literatures  (Dpt) 312-702-8033 (msg)        *
*       University of Chicago           (H)   312-324-5842 (msg)        *
*       1130 E. 59th Street                                     *
*       Chicago, IL  60637                                      *
****************************************************************


From drobinso at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu  Tue Jan 30 15:33:39 1996
From: drobinso at magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David F Robinson)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 10:33:39 -0500
Subject: Help! NIOKR
In-Reply-To: <v02120000ad31d2586d2a@[132.236.102.92]> from "E. Wayles Browne"
 at Jan 28, 96 09:27:00 pm
Message-ID: <TUE.30.JAN.1996.103339.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

NIOKR = Nauchno-issledovatel'skie i opytno-konstruktorskie raboty

I'll let you have the fund of translating that 8-)

David Robinson
Ohio State U, [what's left of] the Slavic Dept


From jak209 at lulu.acns.nwu.edu  Tue Jan 30 22:37:41 1996
From: jak209 at lulu.acns.nwu.edu (John Kieselhorst)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 16:37:41 -0600
Subject: Mellon Postdocs at NU
Message-ID: <TUE.30.JAN.1996.163741.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

MELLON POSTDOCTORAL FELLOWSHIPS AT NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY

        The Department of Slavic Languages at Northwestern University will
be accepting applications for up to two Mellon postdoctoral fellows.  These
fellowships, which are for a two-year term beginning in the fall of 1996,
include teaching a half load, presentation of colloquia, and participation
in the intellectual life of the department.  Each fellow will be on a term
contract and be a non-voting  member of the faculty.
        We are looking for young scholars with imagination, literary
sensitivity, and clear evidence of outstanding teaching ability in any area
of Russian or East European literature.  We encourage applications from
women and minority candidates.

AA/EOE

Send full dossier to: Marvin Kantor, Chair, Department of Slavic Languages
and Literatures, Northwestern University,
Evanston, IL  60208-2206

e-mail: makantor at merle.acns. nwu.edu
Tel: (708) 491-8251
Fax: (708) 491-3877

APPLICATIONS MUST BE RECEIVED BY NO LATER THAN
MARCH 20, 1996.

John Kieselhorst
Assistant Secretary
Center for the Writing Arts
tel/fax: 708-467-4099


From mlauner at garnet.acns.fsu.edu  Wed Jan 31 04:13:16 1996
From: mlauner at garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Michael K. Launer)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 23:13:16 -0500
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <TUE.30.JAN.1996.231316.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

To: "SEELangs: Slavic & E. European Languages & literatures list"
<SEELANGS at CUNYVM.BITNET>
From: mlauner at garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Michael K. Launer)
Subject: Re: Help! NIOKR
Cc:
Bcc:
X-Attachments:

>NIOKR = Nauchno-issledovatel'skie i opytno-konstruktorskie raboty
>
>I'll let you have the fund of translating that 8-)
>
>David Robinson
>Ohio State U, [what's left of] the Slavic Dept

David -- Sorry to hear about the troubles in Buckeye land. As for the
translation of NIOKR, I would guess "Research and Experimental Design" with
no overt translation of 'raboty'

Michael K. Launer
Department of Modern Languages & Linguistics
The Florida State University
Tallahassee, Florida USA 32306

tel: 904-562-8671
fax: 904-562-8717
e-mail: mlauner at garnet.acns.fsu.edu


From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Wed Jan 31 12:38:24 1996
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 07:38:24 -0500
Subject: ISAR Job postings (fwd)
Message-ID: <WED.31.JAN.1996.073824.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

I hope no one minds this being posted to the list.  I know that many of
you are college profs and advisors and that you keep an eye out for jobs
"in the field" for you students.


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 96 23:44:17 EST
From: Center for Civil Society International <ccsi+ at u.washington.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <civilsoc at solar.rtd.utk.edu>
Subject: ISAR Job postings (fwd)



January 24, 1996

JOB ANNOUNCEMENT  #1

Program Director-Almaty

Closing Date: March 1, 1996

ISAR: A Clearinghouse on Grassroots Cooperation in Eurasia, is
seeking a Program Director to manage its Almaty Office and
coordinate its environmental non-governmental (NGO) programs in
Central Asia (Kazakstan, Kyrygz Republic, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan,
Turkmenistan).  In consultation with the Washington office and
ISAR staff, the Director will assist local NGOs in program
development, management, and information gathering to ensure their
sustainability.  Salary range: $22,000-28,000 + benefits.

Responsibilities Include:
1.      Management of Almaty office; .
2.      Strategic planning and development;
3.      Oversight of seed grant program;
4.      Preparation of financial and narrative reports for USAID;
5.      Travel for site visits, regional assessments, and program
        evaluations;
6.      Training, support and supervision of staff, field
        representatives and local Board;
7.      Outreach for ISAR, interaction with local NGO, government
        and private sector, and networking with U.S. development
        organizations.

Required:

1.      BA in Organizational Development, (Post-)Soviet studies,
        International Affairs or related degree;
2.      Spoken and written competency in Russian;
3.      Basic knowledge of political, environmental and social
        issues in NIS;
4       Experience working in the former Soviet Union;
5.      ? (missing from message)
6.      Proven management ability and leadership skills;
7.      Cross-culturally sensitive interpersonal skills;
8.      Knowledge of computers.

Desirable:
1       Understanding of environmental issues and NGO development
        in NIS;
2.      Experience in Central Asia;
3.      Training in organizational development;
4.      Expertise in volunteer recruitment or fundraising.

Mail or fax or e-mail resume* and cover letter to:

Gabriela Schwarz
ISAR
1601 Connecticut Ave., NW #301
Washington, DC 20009
Fax: 202-667-3291 E-mail: <isar at igc.apc.org>

*Resumes without a cover letter will not be considered.

Above materials must precede any phone calls.


*****************


JOB ANNOUNCEMENT  #2

Russia Programs Assistant

Closing Date: March 1, 1996

ISAR, a clearinghouse on grassroots cooperation in Eurasia, is seeking to
hire a Russia Programs Assistant for the Washington, DC office. The hire
will work independently but in close consultation with the International
Programs Director, the Russia Programs Manager and the Information Manager
to provide general administrative support to ISAR's Moscow and Far East
field offices.  Salary range: $18,000-22,000, depending on experience.
Full benefits apply.

Responsibilities Include:
1.      Receive and fill information requests from the public,
        field offices and representatives in Russia regarding US
        nongovernmental organizations (NGOs);
2.      Ensure that information, publications, supply and
        equipment requests from the Russian field offices are fulfilled in
        a timely and efficient manner;
3.      Manage the cooperative grants program;
4.      Manage travel plans and arrangements for ISAR-DC staff;
5.      Assist in seeking out and editing articles for the
        Environment section of ISAR's quarterly journal, Surviving
        Together;

Required:

1.      BA in Russian, (Post-) Soviet studies, International
        Affairs or related degree;
2.      Spoken and written competency in Russian;
3.      Basic knowledge of political, environmental and social
        issues in Russia;
4.      Good organizational skills and ability to handle many
        tasks at once;
5.      Willingness to assist other staff on various projects;
6.      Familiarity with basic word processing and database
        programs;

Desirable:

1.      Knowledge of nongovernmental sector, groups and issues;
2.      Familiarity with environmental, sustainable development or
        women's issues;
3.      Travel or living experience in Russia;
4.      Editorial or publishing experience.

Mail or fax or e-mail resume* and cover letter to:

Tertia Speiser
Information Manager
ISAR
1601 Connecticut Ave., NW  #301
Washington, DC 20009
Fax: 202-667-3291
E-mail: <isar at igc.apc.org>

*Resumes without a cover letter will not be considered. Above
materials must precede any phone calls.


From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Wed Jan 31 12:40:15 1996
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 07:40:15 -0500
Subject: Summer opportunities for Russian College Educators (fwd)
Message-ID: <WED.31.JAN.1996.074015.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 96 23:57:33 EST
From: Bergelson, Mira B <mbbmosc+ at usia.gov>
To: Multiple recipients of list <civilsoc at solar.rtd.utk.edu>
Subject: Summer opportunities for Russian College Educators

Please find below information on summer seminars and institutes sponsored
by USIA in American Studies for Russian university/college level
educators.

If you know persons who fit the desired requirements for the candidates,
please pass this information on to them.  Also if you are aware of any
Russian institutions of higher learning that could make use of this
information, also pass it on to them.

We will be thankful for any serious candidates.

Thank you very much for your assistance.



          1996 SUMMER SEMESTER OPPORTUNITIES FOR COLLEGE EDUCATORS

A. NATIONAL ENDOWMENT FOR THE HUMANITIES (NEH)-SPONSORED SUMMER SEMINARS

American Literature, Comparative Literature, Cultural Studies

1.  PRINT CULTURE IN AMERICA

2.  THE AMERICAN ROAD IN LITERATURE AND POPULAR CULTURE

3.  JEWISH CULTURAL STUDIES

4.  CULTURAL RESPONSES TO THE HOLOCAUST IN AMERICA AND ABROAD

American History

5.  ETHNICITY, RACE AND GENDER IN U.S. LABOR HISTORY

6.  CULTURAL RESPONSES TO AFRICAN-AMERICAN MIGRATION

7.  GRACE, LUCK AND FORTUNE IN AMERICAN CULTURAL HISTORY

8.  THE HISTORY OF AMERICAN WOMEN THROUGH SOCIAL MOVEMENTS

9.  SLAVERY AND FREEDOM IN CARIBBEAN HISTORY

Philosophy

10. THE METAPHYSICS OF THE MIND

11. FEMINIST EPISTEMOLOGIES

Politics and Society

12. NEW DEPARTURES IN THE COMPARATIVE STUDY OF REVOLUTION

13. CONSTITUTIONAL DEMOCRACY

14. THE ROOTS AND LEGACIES OF THE AMERICAN 1960s

15. DEMOCRACY AND LIBERTY IN MILL AND TOCQUEVILLE

16. MORALITY AND SOCIETY

The NEH seminars, which are held at colleges and universities throughout
the United States, are designed to provide American university faculty
with an opportunity for intense study of significant ideas and texts in
fields central to undergraduate teaching in the humanities.  USIA-
sponsored participants (2 per seminar) will be the only foreign scholars
attending, along with 12 American colleagues for each seminar.  Best
candidates will be professors with previous exposure to American education
and highly focussed research interests in a field very close to that of
the respective seminar.

B.  AMERICAN STUDIES INSTITUTES FOR FOREIGN EDUCATORS

These are six-week, multidisciplinary programs aimed at the improvement of
U.S. studies curricula at universities abroad.  Each institute focuses on
a particular discipline of American Studies (literature, history,
politics, economics, U.S. society, U.S. foreign policy) within a
multidisciplinary framework.  Best candidates will be university educators
who are specialists in one of the subject fields currently teaching or
planning to teach a course in American studies.

C. USIA SUMMER INSTITUTES FOR RUSSIAN COLLEGE EDUCATORS

Two six-week programs for Russian junior faculty working on the social
science currriculum development:
        - APPROACHES TO CONTEMPORARY POLITICAL SCIENCE
        - INTERDISCIPLINARY STUDY OF FOREIGN POLICY AND COMPARATIVE POLITICS.



1996 SUMMER PROGRAMS IN AMERICAN STUDIES FOR RUSSIAN UNIVERSITY EDUCATORS

In order to support and strengthen the teaching of American Studies in
Russia, the United States Information Agency (USIA) is offering a number
of six-week programs for university and institute educators in various
facets of American Studies.  The programs will include classroom lectures
and discussions, site visits and meetings with community leaders.  These
intensive program aim to provide university teachers with opportunities to
obtain a deeper understanding of the U.S. through the study of American
society, culture, institutions, literature, and history.

While there will also be time for individual curriculum development
research, they are not primarily research programs.  Those individuals who
would prefer only to do research in the United States may contact the
Educational Exchanges Office at the American Embassy or an Educational
Advising Center in Russia for additional information on research
opportunities.

These programs will be held at American university campuses during July
and August and all activities will be conducted in English.  They are
designed for educators in the early stages of their careers, so while
there is no formal age limit, preference will be given to those under age
45.  In addition, those who have had minimal (or no) opportunity to spend
time in the U.S. will receive top consideration.  The USIA is particularly
interested in candidates from outsdie Moscow and St. Petersburg.

All costs, including travel and lodging will be paid for by USIA. The
programs are not designed to allow accompanying dependents.

USIA in Moscow is interested in all serious and appropriate applications
for these programs. Applicants are requested to fill out the attached
application and submit a one-page essay in English describing applicant's
current teaching responsibilities and research interests including
information on what is expected from a training program in the United
States, and how it will be used in the candidate's future
teaching/curriculum development activities.

APPLICATIONS WITHOUT ESSAYS WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED.  PLEASE CLEARLY
INDICATE TO WHICH PROGRAM YOU ARE APPLYING (FOR THE NEH SEMINARS GIVE THE
NAME OF THE SEMINAR).


Completed applications may be sent to:

Educational Exchanges Office
United States Information Service
American Embassy
Novinski Bulvar, 19/23, Moscow, 121099.

Applications may be faxed to: (095) 255-9766.

Applications may be e-mailed to:  usis at glas.apc.org (attn: Educational
Exchnages Office)

Please phone (095) 252-2453, or 956-4456, ext. 2665 if you have
questions.

APPLICATION DEADLINE: FEBRUARY 15, 1996


USIA Summer Program in American Studies for Russian University
Instructors

                         Application Form


1.  Family Name            First           Patronymic



Title (Dr./Mr./Mrs./Prof.)


2. Position_____________________________Department______________________

Dept. Tel.__________________ Fax__________________ E-Mail

(NOTE: Please include the telephone code for your city or  region.)

Institution  Address

        City_____________________________________Region


3.      Home address____________________________Home Tel.

        City_____________________________________ Region

4.      Citizenship:            External Passport Number:

5.      Place of Birth______________________

6.      Date of Birth      (Month/Day/Year)

7.      Female_____ Male_____

8.      Single_____    Married_____

9.      English Proficiency:

        Reading:        Excellent___  Good___  Fair___

        Writing:        Excellent___  Good___  Fair___

        Speaking:       Excellent___  Good___ Fair___

10.     Highest degree earned:   _____ diplom   _____ kandidatskaya
        _____ doctorskaya

11.     In what field? _____________________________________________

12.     Colleges, universities, professional schools attended, most
        recent first (use additional pages if necessary)

Institution and city   Year Attended   Discipline/Field   Degree/Date

____________________    ____________   ________________   _____________

____________________    ____________   ________________  _____________


13. Academic or professional positions, most recent first:

    Institution/Employer       Position        Dates of Employment

    _____________________    _______________   ___________________

    _____________________    _______________   ___________________

    _____________________    _______________   ___________________



14. List cultural, educational, and professional societies of which you
are a member.




15. Overseas travel (countries, dates and purpose of visit during the
past 5 years).




16. Names and dates of professional honors, awards, fellowships,
scholarships.
                (Attach additional pages if necessary)



17.     Please list any publications with title, publication date, and
where published.
                (Attach additional pages if necessary)



******************************************


I certify that the information given in this application is complete and
accurate to the best of my knowledge.  I understand that final approval of
my application is dependent upon my eligibility for a visa to the United
States.  I agree to return to my home country upon the expiration of my
authorized stay in the United States.

__________________________________________   ______________________________
Signature                                             Month/Day/Year



Mira Bergelson,

Assistant for Academic Exchanges, USIS Moscow


From PCWOOD at intergate.dot.gov  Wed Jan 31 12:45:10 1996
From: PCWOOD at intergate.dot.gov (PC Wood)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 07:45:10 -0500
Subject: Apple Mac s/w
Message-ID: <WED.31.JAN.1996.074510.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

If anyone has good ideas on available s/w packagesfor learning Russian
 or other Russian oriented material  for the Mac for students, would you
please eMail the package name(s) to me at   pcwood at intergate.dot.gov
The name of a source or company would be appreciated.

tnx, Pc Wood


From djbpitt+ at pitt.edu  Wed Jan 31 16:50:49 1996
From: djbpitt+ at pitt.edu (David J Birnbaum)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 11:50:49 -0500
Subject: MA and PhD statistics
Message-ID: <WED.31.JAN.1996.115049.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Dear Colleagues,

We are attempting to assemble information about the number of MA and PhD
degrees in Slavic Languages and Literatures awarded by different
universities over the past several years. A report would look something
like:

"Since 1990 we have graduated x PhDs and y MAs."

There is nothing magic about 1990, but we'd like something distant enough
to suggest a pattern but recent enough to reflect current tendencies.
Statistics for the past 5-10 years should be about right.

Please respond by email to djbpitt+ at pitt.edu. I will assemble the results,
remove the names of specific institutions, and email a copy of the report
to those who respond.

Thank you for your assistance.

Cheers,

David
==================================================
Professor David J. Birnbaum      djbpitt+ at pitt.edu
The Royal York Apartments, #802  http://www.pitt.edu/~djbpitt/
3955 Bigelow Boulevard           voice: 1-412-624-5712
Pittsburgh, PA  15213  USA       fax:   1-412-624-9714


From twoofus at execpc.com  Wed Jan 31 16:44:11 1996
From: twoofus at execpc.com (Burton & Rachel Davis)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 10:44:11 -0600
Subject: Russian "Sesame Street"
Message-ID: <WED.31.JAN.1996.104411.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Hi Everyone!

I was listening to NPR this morning and they had a story on a truly =
"Russian" version of "Sesame Street" being produced in Russia.  Although =
the producers are apparently free to borrow from the archives of the =
American program, it's more than just a translation of the American =
program into Russian.  The producers are Russian and they're actually =
recreating the program for Russian children and focusing on their =
culture and their lives.  What I found really interesting is that from =
what I understand they have deliberately decided to stay away from =
"escapist" themes like aliens coming in and fixing the problem instead =
of Russians fixing it themselves, or stories about leaving the country, =
etc.

It seems to me that this would be a great language tool at any level.  I =
know that when I was a T.A., my students seemed to enjoy children's =
programming more than any other type and I think that something with as =
familiar a format as "Sesame Street" would be very popular and very =
useful.

Unfortunately, I don't know anything about the programming schedule, let =
alone the actual name in Russian, but I would *love* to get hold of some =
of these programs!  If anyone, anywhere can get some tapes of the show =
to send to me, *please* let me know!  I will pay whatever costs are =
associated with it.  If anyone else has heard about the show, I'd be =
interested in hearing from you.

Rachel Kilbourn Davis
University of Wisconsin - Madison
twoofus at execpc.com


From gfowler at indiana.edu  Wed Jan 31 18:08:45 1996
From: gfowler at indiana.edu (George Fowler)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 13:08:45 -0500
Subject: Russian "Sesame Street"
Message-ID: <WED.31.JAN.1996.130845.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

Greetings!

>I was listening to NPR this morning and they had a story on a truly =
>"Russian" version of "Sesame Street" being produced in Russia.  Although =
>the producers are apparently free to borrow from the archives of the =
>American program, it's more than just a translation of the American =
>program into Russian.  The producers are Russian and they're actually =
>recreating the program for Russian children and focusing on their =
>culture and their lives.

This has already been done in other countries. I've seen Hungarian
broadcasts of Sesame Street. They retain some animations (especially those
dealing with numbers--obviously, the language-based ones can't be
retained), some live character scenes with dubbed dialogue, and create some
of their own scenes. I didn't notice specifically Hungarian animations, but
I only watched a portion of one broadcast, and wouldn't be surprised if
they did their own animations as well. Friends with young children praised
that adaptation of Sesame Street, and I'm sure there are equally or more
successful adaptations in Western Europe.

George Fowler

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Dept. of Slavic Languages        [Home]   1-317-726-1482  **Try here first**
Ballantine 502                   [Dept]   1-812-855-9906/-2624/-2608
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From just at MIT.EDU  Wed Jan 31 20:30:52 1996
From: just at MIT.EDU (Justin Langseth)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 15:30:52 -0500
Subject: Russian "Sesame Street"
Message-ID: <WED.31.JAN.1996.153052.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.BITNET>

For Seelangers who may have missed this segment (like me), you can =
listen
to it over the World Wide Web:

This segment from NPR's Morning Edition from Jan 31 is available on the
World Wide Web at http://www.realaudio.com/contentp/npr/me.html ...
You need to have the ability to listen to "RealAudio" files, and you =
need
a free account on the RealAudio server.  Instructions are provided at =
the
URL listed above.  The Sesame Street segment is the last segment of the
1/31 show.

To answer one of Rachel's questions, the program is called "Ulitsa =
Sayzam",
a direct translation of "Sesame Street".
                                                - Justin Langseth
                                =09
----------
From:   Burton & Rachel Davis[SMTP:twoofus at execpc.com]
Sent:   Wednesday, January 31, 1996 11:44 AM
To:     Multiple recipients of list SEELANGS
Subject:        Russian "Sesame Street"

Hi Everyone!

I was listening to NPR this morning and they had a story on a truly =
"Russian" version of "Sesame Street" being produced in Russia.  Although =
the producers are apparently free to borrow from the archives of the =
American program, it's more than just a translation of the American =
program into Russian.  The producers are Russian and they're actually =
recreating the program for Russian children and focusing on their =
culture and their lives.  What I found really interesting is that from =
what I understand they have deliberately decided to stay away from =
"escapist" themes like aliens coming in and fixing the problem instead =
of Russians fixing it themselves, or stories about leaving the country, =
etc.

It seems to me that this would be a great language tool at any level.  I =
know that when I was a T.A., my students seemed to enjoy children's =
programming more than any other type and I think that something with as =
familiar a format as "Sesame Street" would be very popular and very =
useful.

Unfortunately, I don't know anything about the programming schedule, let =
alone the actual name in Russian, but I would *love* to get hold of some =
of these programs!  If anyone, anywhere can get some tapes of the show =
to send to me, *please* let me know!  I will pay whatever costs are =
associated with it.  If anyone else has heard about the show, I'd be =
interested in hearing from you.

Rachel Kilbourn Davis
University of Wisconsin - Madison
twoofus at execpc.com