From BarDan at compuserve.com  Fri May  1 03:11:56 1998
From: BarDan at compuserve.com (Milman/Rancour-Laferriere)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:11:56 -0400
Subject: music and tolstoy
Message-ID: <THU.30.APR.1998.231156.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

And another:

Daniel Rancour-Laferriere.  1998.  _Tolstoy on the Couch: Misogyny,
Masochism and the Absent Mother_.  London: Macmillan, and New York: NYU
Press.  To appear in mid-May.

The book is about "The Kreutzer Sonata."  The relevant chapter is "Regress
Along With Beethoven."  The book's bibliography contains just about
everything that has been written about Tolstoy and music.

Cheers,
DRL



From GREENBRG at KUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU  Fri May  1 04:04:01 1998
From: GREENBRG at KUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU (Marc L. Greenberg)
Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 00:04:01 EDT
Subject: Balkan and South Slavic Conference in May 2000
Message-ID: <FRI.1.MAY.1998.000401.EDT.>

Mark your calendars!

*CONFERENCE ANNOUNCEMENT*

The 12th BIENNIAL CONFERENCE ON BALKAN AND SOUTH SLAVIC
LINGUISTICS, LITERATURE, and FOLKLORE

will be held at the University of Kansas, Lawrence, Thurs.-Sat., May
4-6, 2000.

If you are interested in participating, please send an abstract, along
with address, phone, fax and e-mail information, to:

Prof. Marc L. Greenberg
Dept. of Slavic Langs. & Lits.
2134 Wescoe Hall
Lawrence, KS 66045-2174

E-mail (preferred): m-greenberg at ukans.edu
Fax: 785-864-4298

Abstracts should be sent in text format on a diskette or
through e-mail.  Graphs, diagrams and illustrations should be
converted to GIF or JPG format.  Abstracts will be placed on a
Conference web-site, the URL address of which will be announced
later. Deadline for abstracts: November 1, 1999.

If you have any questions about the conference, please contact either
of the hosts:

Prof. Jane F. Hacking <jhacking at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>
Prof. Marc L. Greenberg <m-greenberg at ukans.edu>
=================================
Marc L. Greenberg
Slavic Dept.
2134 Wescoe Hall
University of Kansas
Lawrence, KS 66045-2174, USA
Tel. 785-864-3313
Fax 785-864-4298
E-mail: m-greenberg at ukans.edu


From jlrice38 at open.org  Fri May  1 04:12:14 1998
From: jlrice38 at open.org (James L. Rice)
Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 00:12:14 EDT
Subject: music and tolstoy
Message-ID: <FRI.1.MAY.1998.001214.EDT.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

At 12:50 AM 4/30/98 EDT, Serge Rogosin wrote:
>Can anyone recommend any articles on music in the works of Tolstoy or music
>and Tolstoy in general? Russian and English articles are of greatest interest,
>but any language will do.  Any and all information would be much appreciated.

Two recent articles come to mind:

(1)  Ruth Rischin, "Allegro Tumultuosissimante: Beethoven in Tolstoy's
Fiction," in IN THE SHADE OF THE GIANT. ESSAYS ON TOLSTOY, ed. Hugh McLean,
Berkeley: U. Cal. Press, 1989.

(2) Ian Saylor, "ANNA KARENINA and DON GIOVANNI: The Vengeance Motif in
Oblonsky's Dream," TOLSTOY STUDIES JOURNAL, VII (1995-6), 112-116.

                                                J. Rice
                                                U. of Oregon


From MThibault at compuserve.com  Sat May  2 01:03:06 1998
From: MThibault at compuserve.com (Marlene Thibault)
Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 21:03:06 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <FRI.1.MAY.1998.210306.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear fellow slavists

I'm interested in opinions on the authenticity of the 'Slovo o polku
Igoreve'.
Do you believe it dates from around 1190 as originally supposed, or are you
rather of the opinion it is a falsificate from the 18th century? And what
are the arguments?

Dorogiye 'so-slavisty'

Mne interesuyut raznye mneniya o podlinnosti 'Slova o polku Igoreve'.
Dumaete li Vy, chto ono napisano bylo okolo 1190, ili chto eto poddelka
18ogo veka? Kakimi argumentami osnovyvaete Vy Vashe mneniye?

Marlene Thibault, University of Fribourg, Switzerland


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From roborr at aix1.uottawa.ca  Sat May  2 03:34:23 1998
From: roborr at aix1.uottawa.ca (Robert Orr)
Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 23:34:23 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
In-Reply-To: <199805012103_MC2-3BAE-E00@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.1.MAY.1998.233423.0400.>

Although I find the arguments that the Slovo is an 18th century (Masonic)
fabrication food for thought, very interesting, and ... great fun, there's
one piece of evidence in favour of authenticity which I'd like to cite:

Not only Slavists with the most varying interests, but also Turcologists
have commented extensively on the Slovo, and found it a useful source of
material, some of which occurs nowhere else.  The thought of  soemone in
the late eighteenth century being able to produce a fabrication that
could fool both Slavists and Turcologists is really stretching credulity.

Other roughly coeval fabrications (one of these is controversial, so
if anyone is interested, please reply off list) were revealed as such
precisely because the authors kept on mixing 18th/19th century forms with
medieval forms, did not have too great a knowledge of the idiom, or had
simply made wild guesses as to the nature of the material.

Robert Orr

On Fri, 1 May 1998, Marlene Thibault wrote:

> Dear fellow slavists
>
> I'm interested in opinions on the authenticity of the 'Slovo o polku
> Igoreve'.
> Do you believe it dates from around 1190 as originally supposed, or are you
> rather of the opinion it is a falsificate from the 18th century? And what
> are the arguments?
>
> Dorogiye 'so-slavisty'
>
> Mne interesuyut raznye mneniya o podlinnosti 'Slova o polku Igoreve'.
> Dumaete li Vy, chto ono napisano bylo okolo 1190, ili chto eto poddelka
> 18ogo veka? Kakimi argumentami osnovyvaete Vy Vashe mneniye?
>


From u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de  Sat May  2 09:50:06 1998
From: u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de (Markus Osterrieder)
Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 09:50:06 -0000
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <SAT.2.MAY.1998.095006.0000.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

My main suspicion concerning the authenticity of "Slovo" stems from the
"spiritual message" that it transports. Of course it appeals to a
scientific mind of the 19th or 20th century to have such a expressive
testimony of dvoeverie AND pan-Rus' patriotism in a document from the
late 12th century. But: Who at that time had access to education, was
able to read and write? Where, in which institutions could he learn this?
Place yourself a bit in the mental context of the 12th century. In
Scandinavia, Wales and Eire, there is in fact the transmission of old
pagan lore, but it is always historic. Never, an *author* (someone who
belongs to a elite) would freely mix Pagan and Christian concepts. There
would be confrontation, yes, and christianizing of old spiritual beliefs
and customs (the world of the peasants in many parts of Europe, not only
among Eastern Slavs!, is full of this "dvoeverie" until late in our
century - just have a look to the Bavarian countryside, for instance),
but there would never be an sentimental invocation of the Old Gods as
part of a praise to Svjataja Rus'.  One can argue that the concept of
Rus'kaja zemlja has got pagan roots, but in the 12th century it was
firmly anchored in the Christian sphere, in pravoslavie, and I doubt
whether it would have been possible to bring up the Old World in such
"official" matters without suffering serious consequences.

To give an example: Towards the end of the Slovo, Igor rides "k svjatej
Bogorodici Pirogoshchej". The author sings: "Zdravi knjazi i druzhina,
pobaraja za khrist'jany na poganyja pl''ki!" He opposes the christian
heroes and "poganii", but then he speaks about "vnuci Dazh'bozha" i
"vetri, Stribozhi vnuci". This is nice, poetic, but not medieval, not
even in Rus'. He could have called them grandchildren of their
forefather, but not of a God, because this involves a rather complicated
metaphysical outlook (the question from which God and totem a certain
tribe derives). As a Christian, the author would have never used such
elements to improve his style. And the winds as grandchildren of Stribog?
Snorri Sturleson would have had a good laugh.

This said, the use of the Old Gods seems so modern, it is completely out
of context of the mind of medieval man, but hits exactly the tone of
someone trained by Sturm und Drang and Enlightenment - well, yes, think
of Ossian -, who has not a real spiritual understanding anymore, but just
a sentimental approach. Just compare the use of the supernatural in e.g.
Nibelungenlied and Slovo o polku Igoreve, or Slovo o pogibeli rus'koj
zemli and Slovo o polku Igoreve.

There is a political implication of the Slovo as well, of course, but I
don't need to go into this now. The Slovo *is* great literature, no doubt
about that.



Markus Osterrieder, M.A.

eMail: u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de


From solomons at slt.lk  Sat May  2 12:16:34 1998
From: solomons at slt.lk (Wendell W. Solomons)
Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 18:16:34 +0600
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <SAT.2.MAY.1998.181634.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>>From Markus Osterrieder:
>Place yourself a bit in the mental context of the 12th century. In
>Scandinavia, Wales and Eire, there is in fact the transmission of old
>pagan lore, but it is always historic. Never would an *author* (someone
>who belongs to an elite) freely mix Pagan and Christian concepts.

------------------

Greetings Friends!
 '\_
 {"o_
,(_)
 -"-

Wouldn't it be nice to have a researcher from the Russian community who
works in the 12th Century contribute here? Yet, how does one get access
to that community?

This site Down-Under (Russian-Australian community : )) has phenomenal WWW
resources. More than 50 new ones seem to be added weekly at the site.


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Subject: What's new on "Russophilia!" this week (2 May 1998)
Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 04:14:51 +0400

The following links have been added to "Russophilia!" this week.

No. of links added: 66
URL: http://dove.net.au/~rabogna/russian/russian1.htm

--

Rita Bogna
Adelaide, South Australia
e-mail: rabogna at dove.net.au


From aisrael at american.edu  Sat May  2 17:03:37 1998
From: aisrael at american.edu (Alina Israeli)
Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 13:03:37 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <SAT.2.MAY.1998.130337.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>Wouldn't it be nice to have a researcher from the Russian community who
>works in the 12th Century contribute here? Yet, how does one get access
>to that community?

Lixachev and his school treat "Slovo" as original.


From sekerina at linc.cis.upenn.edu  Sat May  2 17:52:53 1998
From: sekerina at linc.cis.upenn.edu (Irina Sekerina)
Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 13:52:53 -0400
Subject: New Book on Linguistics in Russian On Sale
Message-ID: <SAT.2.MAY.1998.135253.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

The Publishing House of Moscow State University has just released
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From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Sat May  2 20:45:22 1998
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 16:45:22 -0400
Subject: Correction about Russian via satellite
Message-ID: <SAT.2.MAY.1998.164522.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I made a mistake a while back by posting information about a Russian via
satellite program.  Sorry, but that was wrong.  The program is
administered via video cassette.  Here's more information....

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 98 08:41:43 PDT
From: Pat Miner <miner49 at anet-dfw.com>
To: Devin P Browne <dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Is this address valid?

Pat Miner here....

Ms Mitcham showed me a faxed usenet posting saying we (DISD) were offering
Russian language classes via satellite.  Wish it were true.

  We are offering Russian I, albeit videotaped lessons.

Here's the straight:

  Russian I

  70 Lessons

  $450.00  per student

  $175.00 for a set of tapes

  $10.00 per student workbook

Telephone conversation once per week

Ms. Mitcham can be reached at 214-989-8066 Mon-Fri 8 a.m. to 5 p.m.
Central Time


Thank you for responding to my email and letting us get the straight
information out :-)

Pat

----------


From frosset at wheatonma.edu  Sun May  3 21:29:06 1998
From: frosset at wheatonma.edu (Francoise Rosset)
Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 17:29:06 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <SUN.3.MAY.1998.172906.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I remember extensive discussions of this issue when I was in graduate
school, since one of our instructors was a specialist on the subject.
(I do not know whether he is on this list).
The general consensus among scholars then was that the *Slovo* was
most likely authentic, and the primary argument was the one mentioned
by Robert Orr: it would be a damn good forgery, indeed, too damn good.

The other crucial point to remember on the issue of authenticity
is that not every word nor even every concept in the *Slovo* need be
authentically traceable to a medieval original. It is likely that
items were added by successive transcribers, without making it a fake.
Since many medieval manuscripts/texts all over Europe suffered or were
embellished by various "remaniements," and since such additions cannot
be purged without the existence of an provably authentic original manu-
script, the consensus I heard was that the *Slovo* is most probably a
true original with likely layers of additional material.

The concept of author as we know it now did not exist then -- roughly put,
a modern author is the spiritual and legal "owner" of a text, and changes
to the text which are not his/her work or at least accepted by him/her are
not considered part of the "authoritative" text. Hence copyrights etc.
This view would be irrelevant to the Middle Ages. More relevant, especially
to the issue of the *Slovo*, is the concept of an "open tradition"
throughout the European Middle Ages.

Since I am not a medievalist, I offer this as the view I have heard/read
most often, and for what it's worth, I find it compelling because it does
answer most of the questions.

-Francoise

Francoise Rosset                          phone:  (508) 286-3696
Department of Russian                     e-mail: frosset at wheatonma.edu
Wheaton College
Norton, Massachusetts 02766


From chtodel at humanitas.ucsb.edu  Sun May  3 21:48:26 1998
From: chtodel at humanitas.ucsb.edu (Donald Barton Johnson)
Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 14:48:26 -0700
Subject: Query: quote source (fwd)
Message-ID: <SUN.3.MAY.1998.144826.0700.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Can any kind soul identify this line?

         "ni sadisticheskiia laski beznosoi smerti"?

        Nabokov uses it in a 1921 Russian critical essay. Since the term
"sadistic" entered English only circa the 1890s (and, presumably no
earlier into Russian), the source must have been composed between, say,
1890 & 1920. It is conceivable that the original source is not in either
Russian or English.
                        With Thanks in advance....

D. Barton Johnson
Department of Germanic, Slavic and Semitic Studies
Phelps Hall
University of California at Santa Barbara
Santa Barbara, CA  93106
Phone and Fax: (805) 687-1825
Home Phone: (805) 682-4618



From sjaireth at brs.gov.au  Mon May  4 18:00:00 1998
From: sjaireth at brs.gov.au (Jaireth, Subhash)
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 11:00:00 PDT
Subject: Help (Tolstoy)
Message-ID: <MON.4.MAY.1998.110000.PDT.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Friends


I read Anna Karenina 15 years ago. I seem to remember a scene with Levin
and Kitty. Levin is looking at Kitty who is looking elsewhere and Levin
tells himself: "If she turns now and looks at me, she would be my wife".
I am not sure of the exact words. I am not even sure if the scene is in
Anna Karenina or War and Peace. I would be grateful if some one can help
me to locate the 'event'.


Thanks

Subhash Jaireth


From u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de  Mon May  4 06:54:15 1998
From: u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de (Markus Osterrieder)
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 08:54:15 +0200
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <MON.4.MAY.1998.085415.0200.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

On 03.05.1998 23:29 Uhr frosset at wheatonma.edu wrote:
>The other crucial point to remember on the issue of authenticity
>is that not every word nor even every concept in the *Slovo* need be
>authentically traceable to a medieval original. It is likely that
>items were added by successive transcribers, without making it a fake.
>Since many medieval manuscripts/texts all over Europe suffered or were
>embellished by various "remaniements," and since such additions cannot
>be purged without the existence of an provably authentic original manu-
>script, the consensus I heard was that the *Slovo* is most probably a
>true original with likely layers of additional material.

Yes, this could be a possibilty, nevertheless there *is* the unsolved
problem of the related "Zadonshchina" (Andre Mazon discussed this already
back in 1940), and the rather mysterious circumstances of the discovery
of the Ms. of "Slovo" and the circle of Count Musin-Pushkin with its
Masonic connections (cf. Walter Schamschula's important recent
contribution: The Igor' tale from Its Czech to Its Gaelic Connection. //
American Contributions to the XIth Congress of Slavists. Ann Arbor 1993,
130-153).

I again insist on the "spiritual tone" of the text. In *Western Europe*,
this "tone" is not to be found before the 14th/15th century, during Early
Renaissance. But in Rus'? Read Zadonshchina, there you have the same
motives and even whole phrases *without* these odd invocations of the Old
Gods, but of course just the "defense of the Rus'ian Land and the
Christian Faith" (which is one and the same).

>The concept of author as we know it now did not exist then -- roughly put,
>a modern author is the spiritual and legal "owner" of a text, and changes
>to the text which are not his/her work or at least accepted by him/her are
>not considered part of the "authoritative" text. Hence copyrights etc.
>This view would be irrelevant to the Middle Ages. More relevant, especially
>to the issue of the *Slovo*, is the concept of an "open tradition"
>throughout the European Middle Ages.

Even if the author was irrelevant, the tradition of the text itself was
not. It is not possible to read the "Slovo" purely as a work of art,
there is a political-ideological message in it as well, and this was
clearly intended, whether the text originated in the 12th or was
composed/rearranged in the 18th century under the reign of "Astraea"
Catherine II. And the political implication is even more dubious...


*************************************************

Markus Osterrieder, M.A.

u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de

CeltoSlavica - where East meets West
<http://www.geocities.com/~celtoslavica>

********************************************************


From ipustino at syr.edu  Mon May  4 12:22:19 1998
From: ipustino at syr.edu (Irena Ustinova)
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 08:22:19 -0400
Subject: Help (Tolstoy)
Message-ID: <MON.4.MAY.1998.082219.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

As far as I remember ( I did not check), it's a scene of the first ball of
Natasha Rostova and Andrey from War and Peace.

Irena Ustinova
>
>I read Anna Karenina 15 years ago. I seem to remember a scene with Levin
>and Kitty. Levin is looking at Kitty who is looking elsewhere and Levin
>tells himself: "If she turns now and looks at me, she would be my wife".
>I am not sure of the exact words. I am not even sure if the scene is in
>Anna Karenina or War and Peace. I would be grateful if some one can help
>me to locate the 'event'.
>
>
>Thanks
>
>Subhash Jaireth
>
>


From ABoguslawski at rollins.edu  Mon May  4 17:42:51 1998
From: ABoguslawski at rollins.edu (Alexander Boguslawski)
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 10:42:51 -0700
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <MON.4.MAY.1998.104251.0700.>

Markus Osterrieder wrote:
>
> My main suspicion concerning the authenticity of "Slovo" stems from the
> "spiritual message" that it transports. Of course it appeals to a
> scientific mind of the 19th or 20th century to have such a expressive
> testimony of dvoeverie AND pan-Rus' patriotism in a document from the
> late 12th century. But: Who at that time had access to education, was
> able to read and write? Where, in which institutions could he learn this?
> Place yourself a bit in the mental context of the 12th century. In
> Scandinavia, Wales and Eire, there is in fact the transmission of old
> pagan lore, but it is always historic. Never, an *author* (someone who
> belongs to a elite) would freely mix Pagan and Christian concepts. There
> would be confrontation, yes, and christianizing of old spiritual beliefs
> and customs (the world of the peasants in many parts of Europe, not only
> among Eastern Slavs!, is full of this "dvoeverie" until late in our
> century - just have a look to the Bavarian countryside, for instance),
> but there would never be an sentimental invocation of the Old Gods as
> part of a praise to Svjataja Rus'.  One can argue that the concept of
> Rus'kaja zemlja has got pagan roots, but in the 12th century it was
> firmly anchored in the Christian sphere, in pravoslavie, and I doubt
> whether it would have been possible to bring up the Old World in such
> "official" matters without suffering serious consequences.
>
> To give an example: Towards the end of the Slovo, Igor rides "k svjatej
> Bogorodici Pirogoshchej". The author sings: "Zdravi knjazi i druzhina,
> pobaraja za khrist'jany na poganyja pl''ki!" He opposes the christian
> heroes and "poganii", but then he speaks about "vnuci Dazh'bozha" i
> "vetri, Stribozhi vnuci". This is nice, poetic, but not medieval, not
> even in Rus'. He could have called them grandchildren of their
> forefather, but not of a God, because this involves a rather complicated
> metaphysical outlook (the question from which God and totem a certain
> tribe derives). As a Christian, the author would have never used such
> elements to improve his style. And the winds as grandchildren of Stribog?
> Snorri Sturleson would have had a good laugh.
>
> This said, the use of the Old Gods seems so modern, it is completely out
> of context of the mind of medieval man, but hits exactly the tone of
> someone trained by Sturm und Drang and Enlightenment - well, yes, think
> of Ossian -, who has not a real spiritual understanding anymore, but just
> a sentimental approach. Just compare the use of the supernatural in e.g.
> Nibelungenlied and Slovo o polku Igoreve, or Slovo o pogibeli rus'koj
> zemli and Slovo o polku Igoreve.
>
> There is a political implication of the Slovo as well, of course, but I
> don't need to go into this now. The Slovo *is* great literature, no doubt
> about that.
>
> Markus Osterrieder, M.A.
>
> eMail: u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de
Dear Seelangers,

I am happy that the list found another fascinating topic to discuss,
but...  It is hard for me to understand (and believe) that even today
there are scholars who doubt the authenticity of the Slovo.  I am not
Russian and cannot be blamed for exaggerated patriotism, but I think
that enough was written about Igor to put to rest Mazon's inventions.
First of all, there is linguistic evidence.  Slovo is an authentic
12th-century work and nobody in the 18th-century Russia had enough
knowledge of linguistics to write a forgery of this kind.  Secondly,
Robert Mann, if I am not mistaken, wrote a convincing study of folk
background of Slovo, again proving that it is original and fits in the
literary and folklore tradition.  Third, Likhachev showed very clearly
that Zadonshchina is a secondary work which used Slovo as its basis, but
failed to understand the cultural layers of the original and thus
appears as an anachronistic work (Likhachev uses the term literary
etiquette and proves that Zadonshchina, by using Slovo without all the
necessary scholarly apparatus, violates the literary etiquette).
Finally, the message of the work is simple -- a call to unity (again,
appropriate for the 12th century) and obedience to the grand prince.  In
the 14th-15th centuries, such a call is no longer valid because of the
leading role of Moscow in the Russians' fight with the Mongols.  As far
as the pagan elements are concerned, they all fit quite well into the
overal poetic/folkloric spirit of the work.  All this has been analyzed
and elucidated much better by countless specialists who did extensive
research of chronicles, folklore, and primary and secondary sources.
Ascribing the work to some Masonic individual is, pardon my indignation,
senseless.  If such an individual (genius) existed, he would have given
us some other proofs of his incredible talents.

Alexander Boguslawski
Rollins College


From u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de  Mon May  4 17:00:29 1998
From: u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de (Markus Osterrieder)
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 19:00:29 +0200
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <MON.4.MAY.1998.190029.0200.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

On 04.05.1998 19:42 Uhr ABoguslawski at rollins.edu wrote:
>I am happy that the list found another fascinating topic to discuss,
>but...  It is hard for me to understand (and believe) that even today
>there are scholars who doubt the authenticity of the Slovo.

Yes, there are, and not the most ignorant: the late John L.I. Fennell
(Oxford, see his Early Russian Literature. London 1974), or Walter
Schamschula (Berkeley). The debate is still on. I recommend reading in
particular the works by A. A. Zimin, V. P. Kozlov's brilliant study
"Kruzhok A.I. Musina-Pushkina i Slovo o polku Igoreve", Moskva 1988, and
Ernst Trost: "Entwicklung und Stand der Kontroverse um die Echtheit des
Igorliedes". Symposium Slavicum. Ed. Erich Wedel, Innsbruck 1980, p.
149-162.

> I am not
>Russian and cannot be blamed for exaggerated patriotism, but I think
>that enough was written about Igor to put to rest Mazon's inventions.

Inventions? Did you read Mazon's book ???

>First of all, there is linguistic evidence.  Slovo is an authentic
>12th-century work and nobody in the 18th-century Russia had enough
>knowledge of linguistics to write a forgery of this kind.  Secondly,
>Robert Mann, if I am not mistaken, wrote a convincing study of folk
>background of Slovo, again proving that it is original and fits in the
>literary and folklore tradition.
>Third, Likhachev showed very clearly
>that Zadonshchina is a secondary work which used Slovo as its basis, but
>failed to understand the cultural layers of the original and thus
>appears as an anachronistic work (Likhachev uses the term literary
>etiquette and proves that Zadonshchina, by using Slovo without all the
>necessary scholarly apparatus, violates the literary etiquette).

No wonder that Zadonshchina "failed to understand" the cultural layers of
the "original", for they *don't fit* into the religious, cultural and
political context of pre-Mongolian Rus' after the sack of Kiev by Andrej
Bogoljubskij (they neither fit before).
With all respect for Lixachev, but you have to consider that before 1986,
there was an "official thesis" concerning "drevnerusskij narod" and the
like, with a special preference for "pagan", pre-Christian "Russian
elements" as fundaments of "nationbuilding" and "statefounding". You
could name Rybakov as well. Cf. D. Ostrowski: The Christianization of
Rus' in Soviet Historiography: Attitudes and Interpretations, 1920-1960.
In: Harvard Ukrainian Studies 11 (1987), 444-461.

>Finally, the message of the work is simple -- a call to unity (again,
>appropriate for the 12th century) and obedience to the grand prince.  In
>the 14th-15th centuries, such a call is no longer valid because of the
>leading role of Moscow in the Russians' fight with the Mongols.

Yes, but this exactly is the point: it is not so simple, at least for
historians, once you don't stick to "official" historiography. Have a
start with these titles: A.N. Nasonov: Russkaja zemlja i obrazovanie
territorii drevnerusskogo gosudarstva. Moskva 1951; J. Pelenski: The Sack
of Kiev of 1169: Its Significance for the Succession to Kievan Rus'. In:
Harvard Ukrainian Studies 11 (1987), 303-316; H. Paszkiewicz: The Making
of the Russian Nation. London 1963; C.J. Halperin: The Concept of the
Russian Land from the 9th to the 14th Century. In: Russian History 2
(1975), 29-38, and: The Concept of the Ruskaia Zemlia and Medieval
Russian National Consciousness. In: Nationalities Papers 8:1 (1980),
75-94; P. Bushkovitch: Rus' in the Ethnic Nomenclature of the PVL. In:
Cahiers du Monde Russe et Sovietique 12 (1971), 296-306, and: The
Formation of a National Conciousness in Early Modern Russia. In: Harvard
Ukrainian Studies 10 (1986), 355-376; maybe my own modest contribution as
well: Von der Sakralgemeinschaft zur modernen Nation. Die Entstehung
eines Nationalbewusstseins unter Russen, Ukrainern, Weissruthenen im
Lichte der Thesen Benedict Andersons. In: Formen des nationalen
Bewusstseins im Lichte zeitgenoessischer Nationalismustheorien. Ed. Eva
Schmidt-Hartmann. Muenchen 1994, 197-232.

>As far
>as the pagan elements are concerned, they all fit quite well into the
>overal poetic/folkloric spirit of the work.

But don't you agree that it is one thing that they "fit" into the spirit
of the work, and another thing whether they actually represent medieval
spirituality?

Or is this just a quantite negligeable, because the sense for the
spiritual doesn't mean anything to us (well, to some of us)? Why is this
artistic use of pagan Gods unique to early East Slav literature and
thinking? Or did the writer read the works by Alanus ab Insulis or
Bernardus Silvestris from the School of Chartres who, in their works,
used Greek Gods as metaphoric representations of Christian virtues? One
must remember that the author uses names that are known from folk-lore,
but *the way* he uses them is *not folk-lore at all*, but "bookish",
learned. Where did the author learn about Greek mythology and its
attributions? To compare with authentic "christian-pagan", dvoeverie
popular spirituality, just read A. Afanas'ev: Poeticeskie vozzrenija
slavjan na prirodu. 3 vol., Reprint Moskva 1994, or G. Fedotov: Stixi
duxovnye: Russkaja narodnaja vera po duxovnym stixam. Reprint Moskva
1991.

>All this has been analyzed
>and elucidated much better by countless specialists who did extensive
>research of chronicles, folklore, and primary and secondary sources.

I bow to the specialists and their authority, yet there are other (maybe
not "countless") specialists with differing opinions as well, and
"Authority" (with a big "A") should never be the convincing factor in
scholarship, even if the name is Lixachev. Accuracy is much better.
Besides, I do research on my own, so I don't speak just from hearsay.

>Ascribing the work to some Masonic individual is, pardon my indignation,
>senseless.  If such an individual (genius) existed, he would have given
>us some other proofs of his incredible talents.

The author is unknown, it would be pure speculation to identify "some
Masonic individual" or any other individual as such. But the kruzhok of
the "discoverers" *had* a Masonic background, and there *were* political
goals going hand in hand with the edition. This is *fact*. And it would
contribute to a better understanding of the genesis of the Slovo, if this
wouldn't be ignored.

Regards,

Markus Osterrieder


*************************************************

Markus Osterrieder, M.A.

u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de

CeltoSlavica - where East meets West
<http://www.geocities.com/~celtoslavica>

********************************************************


From solomons at slt.lk  Mon May  4 17:54:20 1998
From: solomons at slt.lk (Wendell W. Solomons)
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 23:54:20 +0600
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve ???
Message-ID: <MON.4.MAY.1998.235420.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Greetings folks!

Alexander Boguslawski seems to ask where such dedicated scholarly
research is going rationally on the list. 

On 03.05.1998 23:29 <frosset at wheatonma.edu> had previously written:

>The concept of author as we know it now did not exist then -- roughly put,
>a modern author is the spiritual and legal "owner" of a text, and changes
>to the text which are not his/her work or at least accepted by him/her are
>not considered part of the "authoritative" text. Hence copyrights etc.
>This view would be irrelevant to the Middle Ages. More relevant, especially
>to the issue of the *Slovo*, is the concept of an "open tradition"
>throughout the European Middle Ages.

From: Markus Osterrieder <u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de>

Even if the author was irrelevant, the tradition of the text itself was
not. It is not possible to read the "Slovo" purely as a work of art,
there is a political-ideological message in it as well, and this was
clearly intended, whether the text originated in the 12th or was
composed/rearranged in the 18th century under the reign of "Astraea"
Catherine II. And the political implication is even more dubious...

----------------

On 04.05.1998 19:42 ABoguslawski at rollins.edu wrote:

>Ascribing the work to some Masonic individual is, pardon my indignation,
>senseless.  If such an individual (genius) existed, he would have given
>us some other proofs of his incredible talents.

From: Markus Osterrieder <u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de

The author is unknown, it would be pure speculation to identify "some
Masonic individual" or any other individual as such. But the kruzhok of
the "discoverers" *had* a Masonic background, and there *were* political
goals going hand in hand with the edition. This is *fact*. And it would
contribute to a better understanding of the genesis of the Slovo, if this
wouldn't be ignored.

----------------

>>From solomons @ slt.lk now:

When Markus Osterrieder (above) mentions the political, it appeared
to me that the work he is doing has value without being re-run up and
down the general list where he has returned a blank.

Hieroglyphics have been deciphered by Egyptologists. Markus might do the
obvious, continue working with researchers in medievial history, compare
and contrast. This could even be rapidly dated using mathematical logic
and statistics. Today we have what the Egyptologists didn't have -- the
power of electronic computing science.

As far as a more general list like ours is concerned one could only
fish out general opinions. Why would he spend so much time with general
opinions ??? What is the purpose ???

Mark it, even when drawing a blank with general opinions, there is a
living to be made. Though the Cold War is over, Richard Pipes is out there
searching for theories to bring back the Iron Curtain. He has this great
NATO expansion plan for a start which Secy Albright has just got through
the U.S. Senate. It's some sort of fencing out, like with the Red Indians,
the reservations; or like with the aborigines in Australia.

Therefore the hint of a dubious, dangerous masonic political theory -- if
it passes muster on a list like ours -- well, it would be useful to Richard
P (and Zbigniev B; then, Strobe T sits in the State Department itself.)

Yet, watch out if that reservation should explode among its 6000 nuclear
warheads. That's a couple of hundred times more than was used in WW2.

Nothing in this world would cover up the "The Crime of the Century"
as Jeffery Sachs "reformed" Russia while Kremlinologists and numerous
other country specialists kept mum.

Since the new entrants to NATO can't afford to re-equip armies, the U.S.
taxpayer is going to need a lot of Masonic bogeymen and other threats to
justify paying for military hardware during peacetime now that the Iron
Curtain has been removed.

Albright was booed at the Town Hall meeting; Greenspan of the FED was
similarly booed previously in California about sending money overseas.
So we need bogeymen.

:------------------:
wendell w. solomons
management research
:------------------:

    &           &  Adolf Hitler, 1925 - The broad mass of a nation... will
    &           &  more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one.
 \  &   \       &  (Mein Kampf)
    &\,  ___  ,/&  
  \ & \\//"\\// &  Abraham Lincoln, 1809–65, 16th US President -  You may fool
    &  \('_')/  &  all the people some of the time; you can even fool some 
   (&'---`-'---'&  of the people some of the time; but you can't fool all of
    &`"-.   .-"`&  the people all the time. (Quoted by biographer.)
    &###|===\###&
    #####\ \ \###
          \ \ \  
           \()()  

<URL>http://www.humnet.ucla.edu/humnet/anthropoetics/AP0201/interv.htm>

    Interview with Ren\e' Girard (1/2)

 Anthropoetics II, no. 1 (June 1996)

Interview with Rene' Girard
==========================

Markus Mu"ller

Department of French, UCLA
muller at humnet.ucla.edu

Q: Prof. Girard, the forthcoming issue of Anthropoetics is devoted
to your work and I would like to take the opportunity of this
interview to establish a dialogue between your work and Generative
Anthropology [...}

Prof. Girard:
[...]In my view the sacrificial crisis is a mimetic escalation and
it is of such a nature that it takes a tremendous shock, something
tremendously violent itself, to interrupt the scapegoat mechanism.
And the scapegoat mechanism, in order to be effective, must be une
grande chose, in other words people must really project their
tensions and aggressions against the victim.

Q: Sorry if I interrupt you here. You mean to say that
scapegoating cannot be done effectively if we are conscious of it?

Prof. Girard:
Exactly, there is no such thing as conscious scapegoating.
Conscious scapegoating is a modern parody of this scapegoating
which is of the order of propaganda, because it implies prior
representation. But for me the first representation is really the
sacred because if scapegoating works, that is, if you are not
aware of the projection against the victim and if the scapegoating
is unanimous, if the mimetic impulse is rigorous enough to make it
unanimous, which may happen only after a great deal of violence
and after a phase of what I would call partial scapegoatings... I
think that Shakespeare has something to say about that in Julius
Caesar. You know there is the phase of the conspiracy against
Caesar and the various factions fighting each other that
culminates in civil war. It's only at the end that you have a
complete and unanimous scapegoating. To make a long story short,
the first representations to me would be false representations of
scapegoating, which are the sacred. And scapegoating really means
that we are genuinely reconciled. [...]


From konecny at rcf.usc.edu  Mon May  4 19:02:29 1998
From: konecny at rcf.usc.edu (konecny)
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 11:02:29 -0800
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Louri=E9?=
Message-ID: <MON.4.MAY.1998.110229.0800.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Seelangers,

does anyone know where I could find either the sheet music for or a
recording of Arthur Lourié's op. 40 for piano? (it is entitled Oshybka
baryshni smerti) or perhaps, more generally, a place to find cds of his
music?
Thanx in advance, Mark Konecny.


From u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de  Mon May  4 18:59:37 1998
From: u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de (Markus Osterrieder)
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 20:59:37 +0200
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve ???
Message-ID: <MON.4.MAY.1998.205937.0200.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Excuse me, but what is this rubbish all about?

Is this a list dedicated to scholarship, or is this alt.conspiracy or
alt.lunatic? Can't you accept any historical debate without using a
pump-gun? Just because I quote literature and do not stick to "general
opinions", I am on the pay-roll of Cold Warriors? Or is just your
personal spleen, to remain polite? If you got it like this, then you
understood nothing at all. This is not about Cold War. My starting point
was the "religious-spiritual accuracy" of a medieval epic, not a
conspiracy plot, CIA propaganda, or other rubbish. It is a bad sign for
the mental state of our age that you can't bring up many a subject
without being hit by "political correctness" or by frankly disturbed
arguments.

It is very disappointing and sad to have this as an "academic"
feedback...

Sad for the beautiful Slovo...

Markus


On 04.05.1998 19:54 Uhr solomons at slt.lk wrote:
>When Markus Osterrieder (above) mentions the political, it appeared
>to me that the work he is doing has value without being re-run up and
>down the general list where he has returned a blank.
>Hieroglyphics have been deciphered by Egyptologists. Markus might do the
>obvious, continue working with researchers in medievial history, compare
>and contrast. This could even be rapidly dated using mathematical logic
>and statistics. Today we have what the Egyptologists didn't have -- the
>power of electronic computing science.
>As far as a more general list like ours is concerned one could only
>fish out general opinions. Why would he spend so much time with general
>opinions ??? What is the purpose ???
>Mark it, even when drawing a blank with general opinions, there is a
>living to be made. Though the Cold War is over, Richard Pipes is out there
>searching for theories to bring back the Iron Curtain. He has this great
>NATO expansion plan for a start which Secy Albright has just got through
>the U.S. Senate. It's some sort of fencing out, like with the Red Indians,
>the reservations; or like with the aborigines in Australia.
>
>Therefore the hint of a dubious, dangerous masonic political theory -- if
>it passes muster on a list like ours -- well, it would be useful to Richard
>P (and Zbigniev B; then, Strobe T sits in the State Department itself.)
>
>Yet, watch out if that reservation should explode among its 6000 nuclear
>warheads. That's a couple of hundred times more than was used in WW2.
>
>Nothing in this world would cover up the "The Crime of the Century"
>as Jeffery Sachs "reformed" Russia while Kremlinologists and numerous
>other country specialists kept mum.
>
>Since the new entrants to NATO can't afford to re-equip armies, the U.S.
>taxpayer is going to need a lot of Masonic bogeymen and other threats to
>justify paying for military hardware during peacetime now that the Iron
>Curtain has been removed.
>
>Albright was booed at the Town Hall meeting; Greenspan of the FED was
>similarly booed previously in California about sending money overseas.
>So we need bogeymen.
>
>:------------------:
>wendell w. solomons
>management research
>:------------------:
>
>    &           &  Adolf Hitler, 1925 - The broad mass of a nation... will
>    &           &  more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one.
> \  &   \       &  (Mein Kampf)
>    &\,  ___  ,/&
>  \ & \\//"\\// &  Abraham Lincoln, 1809–65, 16th US President -  You may
>fool
>    &  \('_')/  &  all the people some of the time; you can even fool some
>   (&'---`-'---'&  of the people some of the time; but you can't fool all of
>    &`"-.   .-"`&  the people all the time. (Quoted by biographer.)
>    &###|===\###&
>    #####\ \ \###
>          \ \ \
>           \()()


From JKALB at WELLESLEY.EDU  Mon May  4 19:18:22 1998
From: JKALB at WELLESLEY.EDU (Judith E. Kalb)
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 15:18:22 -0400
Subject: utomlennoe solntse...
Message-ID: <MON.4.MAY.1998.151822.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Does anyone happen to know where one could get the words to that famous
song--and author and composer if possible? Any thoughts would be much
appreciated!
Thank you,
Judith Kalb

Dr. Judith E. Kalb
Department of Russian
Wellesley College
Wellesley, MA 02181
jkalb at wellesley.edu


From solomons at slt.lk  Mon May  4 20:49:20 1998
From: solomons at slt.lk (Wendell W. Solomons)
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 02:49:20 +0600
Subject: Better active than radioactive
Message-ID: <TUE.5.MAY.1998.024920.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Greetings friends!

I want to clarify that I am wholly aware that I cannot afford
ad hominem and personal hostility on lists. By the same token
I do not fancy involvement in exorcism.

=-=-=-=-=

I had been jolted by comments indicating that we may be overinvolved
and out in rather deep waters.

If the languages and the civilizations we discuss are principally
European, with a minimum of 20 million people unpaid for 8 months
in Russia and still more in the former republics,  we may see
something more than a Titanic going down alongside Warsaw, Prague
and Vienna.

To remeber Musoursgky's "Pictures at an Exhibition," if we survive
it could well be like "The dead speaking with the dead in a dead
language."

It is to do something for civilization that we must sometimes express
ourselves though the ships' captains may be wearing the cap of the
expert.

This comes from non-conformism which is the mainstream Western heritage
though an anarchist trend received some support particularly when community
U.S.AID funds in $ 250 million were given under an uncontested bid to
expert Jeffery Sachs.

It was in this self-same spirit that I spoke in 1992 about Captain Sachs
devastating reforms despite Kremlinologists' and other expert silence.

It is in the same spirit that I undisguisedly search for some bricks in
historical structures so that we can manage to build a future. Someone
must do this -- history has its applied purpose too.

That's all. And that's my management research. Any bricks for construction
welcome.

Better active than radioactive!

Let's build Shalom, Peace, Mir together without scapegoating! We are all in
it together.

:------------------:
wendell w. solomons
management research
:------------------:


From kaiserdwjr at hotmail.com  Mon May  4 21:13:09 1998
From: kaiserdwjr at hotmail.com (David Kaiser)
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 16:13:09 CDT
Subject: Better active than radioactive
Message-ID: <MON.4.MAY.1998.161309.CDT.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Is anyone else as boggled by this as I am?

>
>I had been jolted by comments indicating that we may be overinvolved
>and out in rather deep waters.
>
>If the languages and the civilizations we discuss are principally
>European, with a minimum of 20 million people unpaid for 8 months
>in Russia and still more in the former republics,  we may see
>something more than a Titanic going down alongside Warsaw, Prague
>and Vienna.
>
>To remeber Musoursgky's "Pictures at an Exhibition," if we survive
>it could well be like "The dead speaking with the dead in a dead
>language."
>
>It is to do something for civilization that we must sometimes express
>ourselves though the ships' captains may be wearing the cap of the
>expert.
>
>This comes from non-conformism which is the mainstream Western heritage
>though an anarchist trend received some support particularly when
community
>U.S.AID funds in $ 250 million were given under an uncontested bid to
>expert Jeffery Sachs.
>
>It was in this self-same spirit that I spoke in 1992 about Captain
Sachs
>devastating reforms despite Kremlinologists' and other expert silence.
>
>It is in the same spirit that I undisguisedly search for some bricks in
>historical structures so that we can manage to build a future. Someone
>must do this -- history has its applied purpose too.
>
>That's all. And that's my management research. Any bricks for
construction
>welcome.
>
>Better active than radioactive!
>
>Let's build Shalom, Peace, Mir together without scapegoating! We are
all in
>it together.
>
>:------------------:
>wendell w. solomons
>management research
>:------------------:
>


______________________________________________________
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From KHIRVASA at carleton.edu  Mon May  4 21:41:06 1998
From: KHIRVASA at carleton.edu (Katya Hirvasaho)
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 15:41:06 -0600
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <MON.4.MAY.1998.154106.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I want to express my appreciation to Markus Osterrieder for the valuable
information on research casting doubt on the authenticity of _Slovo o polku
Igoreve_.. I have studied the early romantic period, particularly Russian
(and European) Ossianism, and the ideological and stylistic similarities
between _Slovo_ and _Ossian_ can hardly be considered minor (Nabokov points
out some of the minor "co-incidences" in his translation of _Slovo_).  I
doubt that many people have read _The Poems of Ossian_, but it might be
worthwhile for anyone who is arguing about _Slovo o polku Igoreve_, whether
pro or con authenticity, to at least take a peek of the first volume,
"Fingal," and witness for themselves the same figurative language,
animistic world view, personification of nature ("and the trees bent down
in sorrow"), not to mention the concept of nation and of the exulted role
of the bard found in _Ossian_ and which was typical to the latter part of
the 18th C.  You will even find Yaroslavna's (Malvina's) lament in
_Ossian_!

Katya Hirvasaho


From graber at gwis2.circ.gwu.edu  Mon May  4 22:36:20 1998
From: graber at gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (David S. Graber)
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 18:36:20 -0400
Subject: What should we tell our students...
In-Reply-To: <199804300503.WAA25836@opengovt.open.org>
Message-ID: <MON.4.MAY.1998.183620.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

...about business in Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union?

I have received many requests about my last posting, so here is an update.

Some interesting processes are going on:

The big money-givers are supporting improvements in the telephone
networks, because that kind of infrastructure is important for all kinds
of development. Motorola, Ericsson and Nokia are in the news alot in this
area. Globally, the industry is responding more to customer lifestyles and
business needs, and the state of the technology is not the most important
factor. Also, there is a big rush to integrate services across the
different standards and ways of delivering regular and cellular telephone
service, faxing, Internet access, TV, etc.

Inhabitants of the former communist countries are more and more willing to
pay to live more comfortably, and they are buying cars, and household
appliances. Companies like Ford, GM, Daewoo, Renault, Fiat, and
Bosch-Siemens are banking on this.

In entertainment, MTV just launched a new 24-hour Russian language
version, -- an MTV customized for Russian audiences. Ronald Lauder, the
cosmetic empire heir, runs a company from Bermuda called CME which owns
many TV stations all over Eastern Europe.

Several big real estate and development companies are buying property to
put up malls in Poland, and to a lesser degree, the same is going on
throughout many Eastern European countries, particularly the ones such as
the Czech Republic and Hungary, which have developed their economies more
quickly.

David S. Graber, Ph.D.                          tel. (202) 994-6335
Dept. of German and Slavic                      fax  (202) 994-0171
George Washington University                    graber at gwis2.circ.gwu.edu
2130 H Street, NW
Washington, DC 20052


From rar at slavic.umass.edu  Tue May  5 02:06:48 1998
From: rar at slavic.umass.edu (ROBERT A ROTHSTEIN)
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 22:06:48 -0400
Subject: utomlennoe solntse...
In-Reply-To: <01IWN1XWON4Y8XCW0I@WELLESLEY.EDU>
Message-ID: <MON.4.MAY.1998.220648.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>
> Does anyone happen to know where one could get the words to that famous
> song--and author and composer if possible? Any thoughts would be much
> appreciated!
> Thank you,
> Judith Kalb
>

        Utomlennoe solntse
        Nezhno s morem proshchalos',
        V etot chas ty priznalas',
        Chto net liubvi.

        Mne nemnogo vzgrustnulos'
        Bez toski, bez pechali.
        V etot chas prozvuchali
        Slova tvoi.

        Rasstaemsia,
        Ia ne v silakh zlit'sia,
        Vinovaty
        V etom ty i ia.

        Utomlennoe solntse...

The Russian text by I. Al'bek was set to part of the melody of the
prewar Polish tango by Jerzy Petersburski, words by Zenon Friedwald,
"To ostatnia niedziela."

                                Bob Rothstein


From JKALB at WELLESLEY.EDU  Tue May  5 02:21:03 1998
From: JKALB at WELLESLEY.EDU (Judith E. Kalb)
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 22:21:03 -0400
Subject: utomlennoe solntse...
Message-ID: <MON.4.MAY.1998.222103.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Thanks to all for your help--I appreciate it very much!
Best wishes,
Judith Kalb

Dr. Judith E. Kalb
Department of Russian
Wellesley College
Wellesley, MA 02181
jkalb at wellesley.edu


From thebaron at interaccess.com  Tue May  5 13:40:44 1998
From: thebaron at interaccess.com (baron chivrin)
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 08:40:44 -0500
Subject: does anybody know hungarian?
Message-ID: <TUE.5.MAY.1998.084044.0500.>

Dear Seelangers--

I encountered the following text in Emmerich Kalman's operetta The
Duchess of Chicago:

"Isten velet, isten velet, draga violam.
Sir a szivem, sir a lelkem, draga violam."

Although the rest of the operetta was written in German, this one
snippet appears in a climactic scene. Though I do not know Hungarian,
I'm assuming from the speaker of the lines that it is Hungarian. Can any
one corroborate this for me and tell me what it means?

Thank you in advance.

Baron Chivrin
thebaron at interaccess.com


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From gfowler at indiana.edu  Tue May  5 15:24:37 1998
From: gfowler at indiana.edu (gfowler)
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:24:37 -0500
Subject: does anybody know hungarian?
In-Reply-To: <199805051337.IAA13340@indiana.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.5.MAY.1998.102437.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Assuming that there is a small error (velet instead of veled), the lines
mean:

> "Isten velet, isten velet, draga violam.
> Sir a szivem, sir a lelkem, draga violam."

God is with you, God is with you, my dear Viola,
My heart is crying, my soul is crying, my dear Viola.

George Fowler


From akrill at shiva.hunter.cuny.edu  Tue May  5 18:22:18 1998
From: akrill at shiva.hunter.cuny.edu (Hanya Krill)
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 14:22:18 -0400
Subject: Post-Colonial Problems of Contemporary Ukrainian Culture --
 Lecture
Message-ID: <TUE.5.MAY.1998.142218.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

                      LECTURE

               Natalia Bilotserkivets
               Poet, Literary Critic
                   Kyiv Essayist

              Post-Colonial Problems
        of Contemporary Ukrainian Culture

            Saturday, May 9, 5:00 p.m.
           at the Society's building on
        63 4th Ave., New York, N.Y., 10003
            http://www.brama.com/sss/

  Lectures and discussions conducted in Ukrainian


The poems titled:
                       Nichni Litaky
                       Elehiya Picasso
                       Pora Repetytsij

by Natalka Bilotserkivets can be read in Ukrainian at this URL:

http://www.brama.com/art/lit.html


Hanya Krill
Webmaster, BRAMA - Gateway Ukraine
http://www.brama.com/
admin at brama.com


From margadon at quicklink.com  Tue May  5 13:35:43 1998
From: margadon at quicklink.com (A & Y)
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:35:43 -0400
Subject: Bible quotations in "The Possessed"
Message-ID: <TUE.5.MAY.1998.093543.0400.MARGADON@QUICKLINK.COM>

Would someone be kind enough to point me to the Bible quotations in
Dostoevsky's "Besy" ("The Possessed"), i.e. their page #'s.  Interpretive
comments on their significance would also be appreciated.

Thank you!

Yelena Kachuro


From jlrice38 at open.org  Tue May  5 22:35:18 1998
From: jlrice38 at open.org (James L. Rice)
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 18:35:18 EDT
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <TUE.5.MAY.1998.183518.EDT.>

Colleagues:                                     May 3, 1998

If you feel the need of some essential homework on the Igor Tale (SOPI),
here are a few sources that should not be overlooked:

(1) Roman Jakobson, SELECTED WRITINGS, vol. 4: SLAVIC EPIC STUDIES, 1966.
        Reprints his major contributions on the subject, targets his chief
        opponent of the 'forties & 'fifties, Mazon. A good popularizing
polemic, in English, is his "Puzzles of the Igor' Tale on the 150th
Anniversary of Its First Edition" (tam zhe).
(2) A. Zimin, "Kogda bylo napisano 'Slovo'?" in VOPROSY LITERATURY 1967 No
3,         135-152.  By then Zimin's doubts about the authenticity had come
under attack by a massive interdisciplinary collective in the
        USSR, and Jakobson had lambasted Z's unpublished 1963 monograph in
the volume cited above: see "Retrospect" pp. 656f.)
(3) The eighteenth-century European and Russian background (Ossianism, etc.)
        which encourages one to take the possibility of "hoax" seriously is
        richly reviewed by Charles A. Moser in the issue of
CANADIAN-AMERICAN         SLAVIC STUDIES that appeared in early fall 1973.
<I remember reading         it then, but don't have it handy.>
(4) Many very good articles on all aspects of the problem are found in
        ISSLEDOVANIE "SLOVA O POLKU IGOREVE, ed. by D. S. Likhachev (Nauka
1986 (esp.: Likhachev's "Problema daty sozdaniia 'Slova o polku
Igoreve'", and V. P. Kozlov's "K istorii 'Slova o polku Igoreve' v
kontse XVIII v.").
(5) The best efforts of gifted poets like Karamzin and L'vov to stylize
ANYTHING in a "folk manner" are ham-handed and ludicrous (leaning
toward parody), and on the other hand, Pushkin -- who had perfect
stylistic pitch (no doubt through a special genetic endowment) --
never expressed the least doubt about the Igor Tale's authenticity.

Modern arguments are buttressed not just by Turcology and Slavic linguistics,
but also by geographic, geological, zoological, and genealogical studies.
The argued opinions of many scholars expert in the 12th century are on
record.  There is nothing productive to be had by "polling the delegation"
of Slavic literary historians.  Better to follow their refereed publications.

Jim Rice
University of Oregon


From richmond at tiger.cc.oxy.edu  Tue May  5 22:46:46 1998
From: richmond at tiger.cc.oxy.edu (Prof. Walter Comins-Richmond)
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 18:46:46 EDT
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
In-Reply-To: <354d65925547002@sunsrv5.lrz-muenchen.de>
Message-ID: <TUE.5.MAY.1998.184646.EDT.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

The text, regardless of its source, is universally considered a brilliant
work. If someone can identify an author of the late 18th century who was
capable of writing at this level, then I would accept the forgery theory.

**********************************
Walter Comins-Richmond
Assistant Professor
Department of Languages and Literatures
Occidental College
Los Angeles, CA 90041


From roborr at aix1.uottawa.ca  Wed May  6 00:18:14 1998
From: roborr at aix1.uottawa.ca (Robert Orr)
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 20:18:14 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
In-Reply-To: <v01510100b173e3e202a6@[137.22.63.33]>
Message-ID: <TUE.5.MAY.1998.201814.0400.>

On reflection, I'm actually wondering if the Slovo ought to be compared
with the Ossianic material at all.  The Slovo was written in a language
that cannot be faulted as Medieval East Slavic.  The Ossianic poems on the
other hand, are written in eighteenth century English, allegedly on the
basis of Gaelic originals. Comparing Ossian and the Slovo may be in
the order of a straight comparison of a poem by, e.g., Derzhavin with the
Slovo.

In that context, citing phrases, such as "and the trees bent down
> in sorrow" for purposes of comparison with the Slovo really will not do.
What was the Gaelic original of that phrase (if there was one)?

It may be noted that Bardachd Gaidhlig (Gaelic Poetry 1550-1900), a
comprehensive collection, contains no material by MacPherson, and in a
60-page introduction dismisses the Ossianic material with the comment
"The range of modern poetry is quite unrestricted.  It has indeed produced
nothing in the way of drama or epic, if we except the Ossianic poetry put
together by James Macpherson: these forms were never practised by the
Gael."

Another, related point:

In a previous posting I stated that the writers of certain other
forgeries/fabrications roughly coeval to the Slovo "did not have too
great a knowledge of the idiom".  I had James Macpherson and Ossian in
mind.  What is not generally known is that Macpherson's Gaelic
wasn't actually that good.  There's a tale that he visited one of the old
poets of Uist, John MacCodrum, and asked him:
Am bheil dad agaibh air na Feinne? - "Do you have anything on the Fiann?"
- or so he thought, but the Gaelic idiom actually means "Do the Fiann owe
you anything?", which he ought to have known.

MacCodrum, well-known as a ready wit, replied "Chan 'eil, agus ged a
bhiodh cha ruig a leas iarraidh a nis" - "No, and if they did, it wouldn't
be worth asking for it now."

Maybe this was why Macpherson never let people see the original Ossians.

Is the Slovo remotely in the same league?

I would beg the indulgence of one SEELANZHANKA, to whom I have already
sent this one off list!

On Mon, 4 May 1998, Katya Hirvasaho wrote:

> I want to express my appreciation to Markus Osterrieder for the valuable
> information on research casting doubt on the authenticity of _Slovo o polku
> Igoreve_.. I have studied the early romantic period, particularly Russian
> (and European) Ossianism, and the ideological and stylistic similarities
> between _Slovo_ and _Ossian_ can hardly be considered minor (Nabokov points
> out some of the minor "co-incidences" in his translation of _Slovo_).  I
> doubt that many people have read _The Poems of Ossian_, but it might be
> worthwhile for anyone who is arguing about _Slovo o polku Igoreve_, whether
> pro or con authenticity, to at least take a peek of the first volume,
> "Fingal," and witness for themselves the same figurative language,
> animistic world view, personification of nature ("and the trees bent down
> in sorrow"), not to mention the concept of nation and of the exulted role
> of the bard found in _Ossian_ and which was typical to the latter part of
> the 18th C.  You will even find Yaroslavna's (Malvina's) lament in
> _Ossian_!
>
> Katya Hirvasaho
>


From japontiu at midway.uchicago.edu  Wed May  6 01:11:07 1998
From: japontiu at midway.uchicago.edu (Jason Pontius)
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 20:11:07 -0500
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980505103810.546A-100000@tiger>
Message-ID: <TUE.5.MAY.1998.201107.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>The text, regardless of its source, is universally considered a brilliant
>work. If someone can identify an author of the late 18th century who was
>capable of writing at this level, then I would accept the forgery theory.

So far I don't think anyone has mentioned the theory (promoted by Edward
Keenan of Yale in a memorable debate here at the U of C) that the author is
the great Czech theologian and philologist Josef Dobrovsky.

It's been a while, but as I understand it the argument relies on three
basic points: (1) that Dobrovsky had the opportunity to see the manuscript
of Zadonshchina before it was made public in the 1790's; (2) that JD,
without question one of the great linguistic minds of his time, had the
requisite philological knowledge to write the Igor Tale, or to provide
linguistic advice to the manuscript's author; and (3) that no mention of
the IT occurs _anywhere_ before around 1790.  I'm a bit unclear as to what
Dobrovsky's motive for forging an Old Russian document would be; but the
argument is intriguing.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jason Pontius
Slavic Languages and Literatures
University of Chicago
japontiu at midway.uchicago.edu

The Slavic Dungeon:  http://humanities.uchicago.edu/orgs/slavgrad


From jdwest at u.washington.edu  Wed May  6 01:12:36 1998
From: jdwest at u.washington.edu (James West)
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 18:12:36 -0700
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
In-Reply-To: <Pine.A41.3.95q.980505195132.25262A-100000@aix1.uottawa.ca>
Message-ID: <TUE.5.MAY.1998.181236.0700.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I'll second the notion that the Slovo ought not to be compared with the
Ossianic material. The Ossianic poems aren't just written in 18th-c
English; they're written in 18th-c English modified to approximate what an
18th-c Scot with a Classical education and limited Gaelic thought an
ancient Gaelic epic might sound like if rendered into 18th-c English.
Sound artificial? You bet it does, and the modifications become even more
transparent when some of them give a little jolt of recognition to anyone
who's read Homer in the original ("may ... the ocean roll its white
waves..."). Then there's the issue of literary quality. Put it this way:
the line: "Oozy daughter of streams, that now art reared on high, speak to
the feeble, O stone!" has failed to win immortality in more than two
centuries of trying.

James West

On Tue, 5 May 1998, Robert Orr wrote:

> On reflection, I'm actually wondering if the Slovo ought to be compared
> with the Ossianic material at all.  The Slovo was written in a language
> that cannot be faulted as Medieval East Slavic.  The Ossianic poems on the
> other hand, are written in eighteenth century English, allegedly on the
> basis of Gaelic originals. Comparing Ossian and the Slovo may be in
> the order of a straight comparison of a poem by, e.g., Derzhavin with the
> Slovo.
>
> In that context, citing phrases, such as "and the trees bent down
> > in sorrow" for purposes of comparison with the Slovo really will not do.
> What was the Gaelic original of that phrase (if there was one)?
>
> It may be noted that Bardachd Gaidhlig (Gaelic Poetry 1550-1900), a
> comprehensive collection, contains no material by MacPherson, and in a
> 60-page introduction dismisses the Ossianic material with the comment
> "The range of modern poetry is quite unrestricted.  It has indeed produced
> nothing in the way of drama or epic, if we except the Ossianic poetry put
> together by James Macpherson: these forms were never practised by the
> Gael."
>
> Another, related point:
>
> In a previous posting I stated that the writers of certain other
> forgeries/fabrications roughly coeval to the Slovo "did not have too
> great a knowledge of the idiom".  I had James Macpherson and Ossian in
> mind.  What is not generally known is that Macpherson's Gaelic
> wasn't actually that good.  There's a tale that he visited one of the old
> poets of Uist, John MacCodrum, and asked him:
> Am bheil dad agaibh air na Feinne? - "Do you have anything on the Fiann?"
> - or so he thought, but the Gaelic idiom actually means "Do the Fiann owe
> you anything?", which he ought to have known.
>
> MacCodrum, well-known as a ready wit, replied "Chan 'eil, agus ged a
> bhiodh cha ruig a leas iarraidh a nis" - "No, and if they did, it wouldn't
> be worth asking for it now."
>
> Maybe this was why Macpherson never let people see the original Ossians.
>
> Is the Slovo remotely in the same league?
>
> I would beg the indulgence of one SEELANZHANKA, to whom I have already
> sent this one off list!
>
> On Mon, 4 May 1998, Katya Hirvasaho wrote:
>
> > I want to express my appreciation to Markus Osterrieder for the valuable
> > information on research casting doubt on the authenticity of _Slovo o polku
> > Igoreve_.. I have studied the early romantic period, particularly Russian
> > (and European) Ossianism, and the ideological and stylistic similarities
> > between _Slovo_ and _Ossian_ can hardly be considered minor (Nabokov points
> > out some of the minor "co-incidences" in his translation of _Slovo_).  I
> > doubt that many people have read _The Poems of Ossian_, but it might be
> > worthwhile for anyone who is arguing about _Slovo o polku Igoreve_, whether
> > pro or con authenticity, to at least take a peek of the first volume,
> > "Fingal," and witness for themselves the same figurative language,
> > animistic world view, personification of nature ("and the trees bent down
> > in sorrow"), not to mention the concept of nation and of the exulted role
> > of the bard found in _Ossian_ and which was typical to the latter part of
> > the 18th C.  You will even find Yaroslavna's (Malvina's) lament in
> > _Ossian_!
> >
> > Katya Hirvasaho
> >
>


From keenan at fas.harvard.edu  Wed May  6 03:32:21 1998
From: keenan at fas.harvard.edu (Edward louis keenan)
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:32:21 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
In-Reply-To: <l03110700b175668bfb20@[128.135.18.95]>
Message-ID: <TUE.5.MAY.1998.233221.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Not Yale, but Harvard.

And there are now many more reasons -- inescapable reasons -- in both the
text and the documentary record for concluding that JD was the author.
Although I am unable to deal with all comments at the moment because I am
completing a rather long monograph on the subject, I shall post some
"theses" in a few days as a general armature for discussion.  You may wish,
as Celeste Holm says in "All About Eve," to "fasten your seatbelts."

The motivation question is indeed complex; I shall offer a complex but, I
think, plausible explanation.



At 08:11 PM 5/5/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>The text, regardless of its source, is universally considered a brilliant
>>work. If someone can identify an author of the late 18th century who was
>>capable of writing at this level, then I would accept the forgery theory.
>
>So far I don't think anyone has mentioned the theory (promoted by Edward
>Keenan of Yale in a memorable debate here at the U of C) that the author is
>the great Czech theologian and philologist Josef Dobrovsky.
>
>It's been a while, but as I understand it the argument relies on three
>basic points: (1) that Dobrovsky had the opportunity to see the manuscript
>of Zadonshchina before it was made public in the 1790's; (2) that JD,
>without question one of the great linguistic minds of his time, had the
>requisite philological knowledge to write the Igor Tale, or to provide
>linguistic advice to the manuscript's author; and (3) that no mention of
>the IT occurs _anywhere_ before around 1790.  I'm a bit unclear as to what
>Dobrovsky's motive for forging an Old Russian document would be; but the
>argument is intriguing.
>
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Jason Pontius
>Slavic Languages and Literatures
>University of Chicago
>japontiu at midway.uchicago.edu
>
>The Slavic Dungeon:  http://humanities.uchicago.edu/orgs/slavgrad
>
>


From roborr at aix1.uottawa.ca  Wed May  6 03:48:46 1998
From: roborr at aix1.uottawa.ca (Robert Orr)
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:48:46 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980505233221.006bb144@pop.fas.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.5.MAY.1998.234846.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

But was Dobrovsky as good a Turcologist as he was a Slavist?

Robert Orr


From kel1 at columbia.edu  Wed May  6 14:52:47 1998
From: kel1 at columbia.edu (Kevin Eric Laney)
Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 10:52:47 -0400
Subject: Women in Art exhibit at the Russian Consulate on May 14th (fwd)
Message-ID: <WED.6.MAY.1998.105247.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 18:34:06 -0400
From: Linda Lopez <lindalopez at compuserve.com>

Linda Lopez
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New
York, NY 10018.  Contact: Eva Horton, (212) 730-5082, EvaAARW at aol.com


From PETRUSEWICZ at actr.org  Wed May  6 14:59:44 1998
From: PETRUSEWICZ at actr.org (MARY PETRUSEWICZ)
Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 10:59:44 -0400
Subject: Survey for Alumni of ACTR Russian Language Programs
Message-ID: <WED.6.MAY.1998.105944.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELANG Colleagues,

ACTR is interested in finding out about its
program alumni who are using Russian in
their careers today. We are surveying
current language-utilization patterns among
the twenty years of ACTR study abroad alumni
for their study in Russia.  The effort will
yield detailed information on the value and
the long term effects of study abroad in
Russia and of proficiency in Russian on the
careers of ACTR program alumni.  If you are
willing to complete a survey, please send
your current coordinates to:

Dr. Mary Petrusewicz
Russian and Eurasian Program Manager
ACTR/ACCELS
1776 Massachusetts Ave., NW Suite 700
Washington, DC 20036
ph: 202-833-7522
fax: 202-83307523
e-mail: petrusewicz at actr.org
http://www.actr.org

If you are in contact with other ACTR
alumni, please pass along this message.
Please note that your response would be
valuable even if you do not currently use
Russian in your work.

Many thanks, Mary


From keenan at fas.harvard.edu  Wed May  6 14:57:12 1998
From: keenan at fas.harvard.edu (keenan at fas.harvard.edu)
Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 10:57:12 -0400
Subject: Slovo.  FIRST ERRATUM
Message-ID: <WED.6.MAY.1998.105712.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Not CH, but Bette Davis.

>Not Yale, but Harvard.
>
>And there are now many more reasons -- inescapable reasons -- in both the
>text and the documentary record for concluding that JD was the author.
>Although I am unable to deal with all comments at the moment because I am
>completing a rather long monograph on the subject, I shall post some
>"theses" in a few days as a general armature for discussion.  You may wish,
>as Celeste Holm says in "All About Eve," to "fasten your seatbelts."
>
>The motivation question is indeed complex; I shall offer a complex but, I
>think, plausible explanation.
>
>
>
>At 08:11 PM 5/5/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>>The text, regardless of its source, is universally considered a brilliant
>>>work. If someone can identify an author of the late 18th century who was
>>>capable of writing at this level, then I would accept the forgery theory.
>>
>>So far I don't think anyone has mentioned the theory (promoted by Edward
>>Keenan of Yale in a memorable debate here at the U of C) that the author is
>>the great Czech theologian and philologist Josef Dobrovsky.
>>
>>It's been a while, but as I understand it the argument relies on three
>>basic points: (1) that Dobrovsky had the opportunity to see the manuscript
>>of Zadonshchina before it was made public in the 1790's; (2) that JD,
>>without question one of the great linguistic minds of his time, had the
>>requisite philological knowledge to write the Igor Tale, or to provide
>>linguistic advice to the manuscript's author; and (3) that no mention of
>>the IT occurs _anywhere_ before around 1790.  I'm a bit unclear as to what
>>Dobrovsky's motive for forging an Old Russian document would be; but the
>>argument is intriguing.
>>
>>
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>Jason Pontius
>>Slavic Languages and Literatures
>>University of Chicago
>>japontiu at midway.uchicago.edu
>>
>>The Slavic Dungeon:  http://humanities.uchicago.edu/orgs/slavgrad
>>
>>
>
>
Edward L. Keenan
Professor of History
Harvard University
Robinson Hall
Cambridge, MA 02138

(617) 495-2556   FAX: 496-3425


From u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de  Wed May  6 15:41:17 1998
From: u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de (Markus Osterrieder)
Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 17:41:17 +0200
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <WED.6.MAY.1998.174117.0200.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Most interesting to hear that! I am looking forward reading your theses,
Mr. Keenan!

In fact, Dobrovsky's involvement was mentioned already by W. Schamschula
in his recent paper (The Igor' tale from Its Czech to Its Gaelic
Connection. // American Contributions to the XIth Congress of Slavists.
Ann Arbor 1993,130-153), and by G. N. Moiseeva / M. M. Krbets: Iozef
Dobrovskij i Rossija. Leningrad 1990.

Markus Osterrieder, M.A.

Osteuropa-Institut
Historische Abteilung
Munich, Germany


On 06.05.1998 5:32 Uhr keenan at fas.harvard.edu wrote:
>And there are now many more reasons -- inescapable reasons -- in both the
>text and the documentary record for concluding that JD was the author.
>Although I am unable to deal with all comments at the moment because I am
>completing a rather long monograph on the subject, I shall post some
>"theses" in a few days as a general armature for discussion.  You may wish,
>as Celeste Holm says in "All About Eve," to "fasten your seatbelts."
>
>The motivation question is indeed complex; I shall offer a complex but, I
>think, plausible explanation.


From armstron at AC.GRIN.EDU  Wed May  6 16:40:13 1998
From: armstron at AC.GRIN.EDU (Todd Armstrong)
Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:40:13 -0500
Subject: Survey for Alumni of ACTR Russian Language Programs
Message-ID: <WED.6.MAY.1998.114013.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>Dear SEELANG Colleagues,
>
>ACTR is interested in finding out about its
>program alumni who are using Russian in
>their careers today. We are surveying
>current language-utilization patterns among
>the twenty years of ACTR study abroad alumni
>for their study in Russia.  The effort will
>yield detailed information on the value and
>the long term effects of study abroad in
>Russia and of proficiency in Russian on the
>careers of ACTR program alumni.  If you are
>willing to complete a survey, please send
>your current coordinates to:
>
>Dr. Mary Petrusewicz
>Russian and Eurasian Program Manager
>ACTR/ACCELS
>1776 Massachusetts Ave., NW Suite 700
>Washington, DC 20036
>ph: 202-833-7522
>fax: 202-83307523
>e-mail: petrusewicz at actr.org
>http://www.actr.org
>
>If you are in contact with other ACTR
>alumni, please pass along this message.
>Please note that your response would be
>valuable even if you do not currently use
>Russian in your work.
>
>Many thanks, Mary


Mary,

I studied with ACTR at the Pushkin INstitute in Fall 1983.  I am currently
an assistant professor of Russian at Grinnell College. I would be happy to
fill out a survey.

Todd Armstrong
Box L-7, Grinnell College
Grinnell, IA
50112
armstron at ac.grin.edu
515-269-3052


From KHIRVASA at carleton.edu  Wed May  6 19:34:38 1998
From: KHIRVASA at carleton.edu (Katya Hirvasaho)
Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 13:34:38 -0600
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <WED.6.MAY.1998.133438.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

To reply:

Individual instances of similarity between _Slovo_ and _Ossian_,, such as
"the trees bent down in sorrow," "they drank the blue wine," "the sank like
three pillars into the sea," are among those MINOR ones, pointed out by
Nabokov as well.  Some of the major ones, from the perspective of a
literaturoved, steeped in textual and cultural analysis would be:

1) a modern concept of a nation as an imaginary community bound together by
certain values and bearing symbols of such allegiance (such as the "Russian
land"--we, the sons of the Russian land are somehow different from sons of
some other lands);

2) the image and the role of the bard as carrying a special distinction as
the repository of the nation's past, who alone can point a way to the
future by showing how the glories of the past ages were achieved.  The role
of the bard has some other, not minor, consequences for a work of the late
18 C, namely

3) generic implications.  The quntessential Ossianic genre was the
historical elegy, which _The Poems of Ossian_ themselves were considered to
be, despite their being written in rhythmic prose (as is _Slovo_).  A
requisite component of an historical elegy was the reminiscence of the
(military) glories of a bygone age, which the bard recounts (as the singer
of the _Slovo_ does in recalling Igor's forefathers). A typical Ossianic
historical elegy would be Pushkin's first "Vospominanie v Tsarskom Sele,"
for anyone interested in checking out the genre.

4) Russian Ossianism wasn't a mere imitation of _The Poems of Ossian_; it
was part of the emerging concept of Russia as a "northern" nation, very
much along the lines of the German model of Ossianism.  The Russian states
had been founded by the Scandinavians, who are the enemies of the Celts in
_Ossian_ and who, consequently, were seen as part of the Ossianic world.
So, Scandinavian mythology came to provide the spiritual aspect of both
German and Russian Ossianism.  That meant that the mention of Scandinavian
(pagan) gods was also part of the recitation of the glories of the bygone
era; thus even Baratynskii, as late as 1820, in his historical elegy
"Finliandiia," calls the Finns "syny Odenovy," under the mistaken notion
that the Finns are part of the ancient Scandinavian world. These works of
Russian Ossianism are, of course, overtly imitating _Ossian_ and the
Scandinavian antiquities (such historical elegies formed a sub-genre,
"podrazhanie skandinavskomu"), whereas _Slovo_, purporting to be an
original from a post-Scandinavian era, could not mention Scandinavian pagan
gods, hence the Slavic ones.

MacPherson had no "original" Gaelic text.  No more than minor fragmentary
evidence was found among his papers of his actually having collected
folklore.  However, there were ballads about Ossian circulating in the
Highlands in his time.

Katya Hirvasaho


From Margo_Ballou at postoffice.brown.edu  Wed May  6 23:46:31 1998
From: Margo_Ballou at postoffice.brown.edu (Margo Ballou)
Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 19:46:31 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
In-Reply-To: <Pine.A41.3.95q.980505234258.45416A-100000@aix1.uottawa.ca>
Message-ID: <WED.6.MAY.1998.194631.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>But was Dobrovsky as good a Turcologist as he was a Slavist?
>
>Robert Orr

Keenan believes he was.  I don't recall the details, unfortunately.

Margo


From roborr at aix1.uottawa.ca  Thu May  7 03:21:15 1998
From: roborr at aix1.uottawa.ca (Robert Orr)
Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 23:21:15 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
In-Reply-To: <v01510101b1766b6a5337@[137.22.63.136]>
Message-ID: <WED.6.MAY.1998.232115.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

My question remains: there appears to be no linguistic evidence that the
Slovo is a fabrication/forgery, and until such evidence comes to light,
one might well question the value of a comparison between the
(geunine until proven otherwise) twelfth century Slovo and the (invented)
eighteenth century Ossian.

And seeing that we're dealing with comparisons, has anyone thought of
comparing the apparent controversy over the Slovo with the ongoing
suggestion that the plays normally attributed to Shakespeare were really
written by

1) The Earl of Oxford
2) Francis Bacon
3) Christopher Marlowe
4) Queen Elizabeth I,

etc., etc.

which is also great fun, but .....

Robert Orr

On Wed, 6 May 1998, Katya Hirvasaho wrote:

> To reply:
>
> Individual instances of similarity between _Slovo_ and _Ossian_,, such as
> "the trees bent down in sorrow," "they drank the blue wine," "the sank like
> three pillars into the sea," are among those MINOR ones, pointed out by
> Nabokov as well.  Some of the major ones, from the perspective of a
> literaturoved, steeped in textual and cultural analysis would be:
>
> 1) a modern concept of a nation as an imaginary community bound together by
> certain values and bearing symbols of such allegiance (such as the "Russian
> land"--we, the sons of the Russian land are somehow different from sons of
> some other lands);
>
> 2) the image and the role of the bard as carrying a special distinction as
> the repository of the nation's past, who alone can point a way to the
> future by showing how the glories of the past ages were achieved.  The role
> of the bard has some other, not minor, consequences for a work of the late
> 18 C, namely
>
> 3) generic implications.  The quntessential Ossianic genre was the
> historical elegy, which _The Poems of Ossian_ themselves were considered to
> be, despite their being written in rhythmic prose (as is _Slovo_).  A
> requisite component of an historical elegy was the reminiscence of the
> (military) glories of a bygone age, which the bard recounts (as the singer
> of the _Slovo_ does in recalling Igor's forefathers). A typical Ossianic
> historical elegy would be Pushkin's first "Vospominanie v Tsarskom Sele,"
> for anyone interested in checking out the genre.
>
> 4) Russian Ossianism wasn't a mere imitation of _The Poems of Ossian_; it
> was part of the emerging concept of Russia as a "northern" nation, very
> much along the lines of the German model of Ossianism.  The Russian states
> had been founded by the Scandinavians, who are the enemies of the Celts in
> _Ossian_ and who, consequently, were seen as part of the Ossianic world.
> So, Scandinavian mythology came to provide the spiritual aspect of both
> German and Russian Ossianism.  That meant that the mention of Scandinavian
> (pagan) gods was also part of the recitation of the glories of the bygone
> era; thus even Baratynskii, as late as 1820, in his historical elegy
> "Finliandiia," calls the Finns "syny Odenovy," under the mistaken notion
> that the Finns are part of the ancient Scandinavian world. These works of
> Russian Ossianism are, of course, overtly imitating _Ossian_ and the
> Scandinavian antiquities (such historical elegies formed a sub-genre,
> "podrazhanie skandinavskomu"), whereas _Slovo_, purporting to be an
> original from a post-Scandinavian era, could not mention Scandinavian pagan
> gods, hence the Slavic ones.
>
> MacPherson had no "original" Gaelic text.  No more than minor fragmentary
> evidence was found among his papers of his actually having collected
> folklore.  However, there were ballads about Ossian circulating in the
> Highlands in his time.
>
> Katya Hirvasaho
>


From schmidu at ubaclu.unibas.ch  Thu May  7 10:19:24 1998
From: schmidu at ubaclu.unibas.ch (Ulrich Schmid)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 12:19:24 +0200
Subject: Gosudarstvennyj Evreijskij Teatr (GosET)
Message-ID: <THU.7.MAY.1998.121924.0200.>

Dear colleagues,

Can anybody provide some information about my diploma topic
"Gosudarstvennyj Evrejskij teatr" and the "Teatr Habimah", both in
Moscow (1917-1948). I would also be grateful for any general
information about Jewish Theatres during the Stalin period.

Lina Reznik


From Yurij.Lotoshko at tversu.ru  Thu May  7 12:36:43 1998
From: Yurij.Lotoshko at tversu.ru (Yurij.Lotoshko)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 16:36:43 +0400
Subject: utomlennoe solntse...
Message-ID: <THU.7.MAY.1998.163643.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

----------
> Nr: Judith E. Kalb <JKALB at WELLESLEY.EDU>
> Jnls: SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
> Rel`: utomlennoe solntse...
> D`r`: 4 l`  1998 c. 23:18
>
> Does anyone happen to know where one could get the words to that famous
> song--and author and composer if possible? Any thoughts would be much
> appreciated!
> Thank you,
> Judith Kalb

It's may be translation from polish langv.

>
> Dr. Judith E. Kalb
> Department of Russian
> Wellesley College
> Wellesley, MA 02181
> jkalb at wellesley.edu


From feszczak at sas.upenn.edu  Thu May  7 13:40:07 1998
From: feszczak at sas.upenn.edu (Zenon M. Feszczak)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 09:40:07 -0400
Subject: Fwd: A Book of the Century
Message-ID: <THU.7.MAY.1998.094007.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

London Telegraph
24 January 1998

Book of the Century

              Brian Aldiss makes his choice

              ALEKSANDR Solzhenitsyn says that he is speaking for
              "mute Russia". The phrase crops up in his great work,
              The Gulag Archipelago, published in Britain in three
              volumes between 1974 and 1978. Yet this "history and
              geography" of the Soviet Union's prison and forced
              labour camp system is addressed to a wider audience than
              mute Russia; it strikes at the heart and intellect of
              everyone.

              The opening of the book detains us like one of the great
              Russian novels:

              How do people get to this clandestine Archipelago? Hour
              by hour planes fly there, ships steer their course
              there, and trains thunder off to it - but all with nary
              a mark on them to tell of their destination.

              So we travel under the wing of Solzhenitsyn's metaphor
              to encompass that chain of camps scattered across the
              wildernesses of the Soviet Union, and meet the
              inhabitants.

              The author himself was a zek (prisoner) in the Kolyma
              camp, "the pole of ferocity". He brought away the
              material for his work, as he says, "on the skin of my
              back, and with my eyes and ears". Every word was forged
              by labour, exile, starvation.

              One of the most vivid and scathing chapters, "What the
              Archipelago Stands On", comes in the middle of the
              second volume. Here, in the forced labour camps, the
              principle of tukhta is introduced. The timber-fellers
              are set impossibly high production targets. So the boss
              credits his teams with fictitious cubic yards of wood
              cut, thus increasing the zeks' bread allowance. The
              log-rafters, who launch the timber down river, do not
              denounce this mistake. It helps their production figures
              to pass on the fictitious amount. The lumber yards
              downstream do the same, adding a little to the figure.

              Eventually, the Ministry of the Timber Industry makes
              serious use of these fictitiously inflated figures in
              their reports. Thus the entire GNP of the Soviet Empire
              becomes founded on a fiction. "They simply could not
              stand up against people's pressure to live."

              Gulag, though, is not merely an account of the lies and
              injustice on which the Soviet system was founded; it
              addresses the human condition. Solzhenitsyn is a
              moralist writing with savage irony. How do you survive
              uncorrupted in this world? Those who are free, living in
              cities, are also at risk.

              Gulag is a long and vivid meditation on the good and
              evil in men's hearts. We who live out our lives in
              better circumstances must still confront its relevance.
              There is no book like it in the world.


From dburrous at jeffco.k12.co.us  Thu May  7 14:01:46 1998
From: dburrous at jeffco.k12.co.us (David Burrous)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 08:01:46 -0600
Subject: Survey for Alumni of ACTR Russian Language Programs
Message-ID: <THU.7.MAY.1998.080146.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Sure:
I'd be happy to take part.

db

MARY PETRUSEWICZ wrote:

> Dear SEELANG Colleagues,
>
> ACTR is interested in finding out about its
> program alumni who are using Russian in
> their careers today. We are surveying
> current language-utilization patterns among
> the twenty years of ACTR study abroad alumni
> for their study in Russia.  The effort will
> yield detailed information on the value and
> the long term effects of study abroad in
> Russia and of proficiency in Russian on the
> careers of ACTR program alumni.  If you are
> willing to complete a survey, please send
> your current coordinates to:
>
> Dr. Mary Petrusewicz
> Russian and Eurasian Program Manager
> ACTR/ACCELS
> 1776 Massachusetts Ave., NW Suite 700
> Washington, DC 20036
> ph: 202-833-7522
> fax: 202-83307523
> e-mail: petrusewicz at actr.org
> http://www.actr.org
>
> If you are in contact with other ACTR
> alumni, please pass along this message.
> Please note that your response would be
> valuable even if you do not currently use
> Russian in your work.
>
> Many thanks, Mary


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From dburrous at jeffco.k12.co.us  Thu May  7 14:13:02 1998
From: dburrous at jeffco.k12.co.us (David Burrous)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 08:13:02 -0600
Subject: Survey for Alumni of ACTR Russian Language Programs
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> I aplogize for posting ACTR's reply to the list.  I hit the wrong button.
> Sorry.

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From djbpitt+ at pitt.edu  Thu May  7 16:00:15 1998
From: djbpitt+ at pitt.edu (David J Birnbaum)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 12:00:15 -0400
Subject: advice on saving a high-school Russian program
Message-ID: <THU.7.MAY.1998.120015.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELANGers,

One of our local high schools (which counts among its population a
non-trivial number of heritage speakers of Russian) currently offers
Russian for one forty-five minute period per day five days a week. This
single class combines five levels of Russian: first-, second-, and
third-year Anglophones, illiterate native speakers, and literate native
speakers (the last two groups are not always clearly differentiated, since
some heritage students have limited literacy). The combined enrolment is
approximately fifteen. Except for this Russian course, the instructor is a
full-time teacher of Spanish.

The school is now considering closing this program entirely because they
feel that it is not cost effective. Representatives of our university's
Slavic department and our Title VI center have been invited to meet with
the principal and the district-level coordinator of foreign language
studies next week, and they are interested in concrete proposals from us
for increasing their Russian enrolment and thus retaining the program.
Needless to say, we would like to see this program, which is one of a very
small number in our district that offers Russian, survive; we think it is
of considerable value to both heritage and non-heritage learners.

I have no experience with high-school-level Russian language programs
(other than from having been a student in one over twenty-five years ago),
and I would be grateful for any concrete suggestions any of you might have
for how my university might encourage the continuation of this high-school
program.

Thanks,

David
________________________________________________________________________

Professor David J. Birnbaum     email: djbpitt+ at pitt.edu
Department of Slavic Languages  url:   http://clover.slavic.pitt.edu/~djb/
1417 Cathedral of Learning      voice: 1-412-624-5712
University of Pittsburgh        fax:   1-412-624-9714
Pittsburgh, PA 15260 USA


From ggerhart at wolfenet.com  Thu May  7 17:09:18 1998
From: ggerhart at wolfenet.com (Genevra Gerhart)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 10:09:18 -0700
Subject: advice on saving a high-school Russian program
Message-ID: <THU.7.MAY.1998.100918.0700.>

David has graphically described "the problem with Russian" at most high
schools.
I can say that what is _not_ needed is an academic telling the teacher
that the kids spend all that time and learn nothing.
Some sort of mutual understanding must occur. But then they might have
to talk to one another.  One can imagine a large and satisfying Russian
course that might include the alphabet, greetings and a lot of
(specified) culture. For example. gg
--
Genevra Gerhart
http://www.wolfenet.com/~ggerhart/

2134 E. Interlaken  Bl.                 Tel. 206/329-0053
Seattle, WA  98112                      ggerhart at wolfenet.com


From jflevin at ucrac1.ucr.edu  Thu May  7 17:56:33 1998
From: jflevin at ucrac1.ucr.edu (Jules Levin)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 13:56:33 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
In-Reply-To: <Pine.A41.3.95q.980506231231.101976B-100000@aix1.uottawa.ca >
Message-ID: <THU.7.MAY.1998.135633.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

At 11:21 PM 5/6/98 -0400, Robert Orr wrote:
>>And seeing that we're dealing with comparisons, has anyone thought of
>comparing the apparent controversy over the Slovo with the ongoing
>suggestion that the plays normally attributed to Shakespeare were really
>written by ...[snip]


And, it turns out that the Illiad etc., was not written by Homer, but by
*another* blind Greek poet..........................who ALSO happened to be
named Homer!

Jules Levin


From nyuka at Claritech.com  Thu May  7 18:16:52 1998
From: nyuka at Claritech.com (Kamneva, Natalia)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 14:16:52 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <THU.7.MAY.1998.141652.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

And " Tihii Don" was not written by Sholohov, but Stalin ...
Any new hypothesis should be proven.

Natalia Kamneva

        -----Original Message-----
        From:   Jules Levin [SMTP:jflevin at ucrac1.ucr.edu]
        Sent:   Thursday, May 07, 1998 1:57 PM
        To:     SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
        Subject:        Re: Slovo o polku Igoreve

        At 11:21 PM 5/6/98 -0400, Robert Orr wrote:
        >>And seeing that we're dealing with comparisons, has anyone
thought of
        >comparing the apparent controversy over the Slovo with the
ongoing
        >suggestion that the plays normally attributed to Shakespeare
were really
        >written by ...[snip]


        And, it turns out that the Illiad etc., was not written by
Homer, but by
        *another* blind Greek poet..........................who ALSO
happened to be
        named Homer!

        Jules Levin


From P-S.Fischer at worldnet.att.net  Thu May  7 18:54:37 1998
From: P-S.Fischer at worldnet.att.net (Peter&Susan Fischer)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 14:54:37 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <THU.7.MAY.1998.145437.0400.>

Friends, Colleagues, Zemljaki-Seelangovtsy:

Until now I have remained steadfastly on the sidelines when the
occasional brouhaha erupted in our global SEELANGS village.  But as the
current disputation about the authenticity of the Igor Tale has
generated more and more commentary, the temptation to leap into the fray
became too strong to resist.  Still, I held back for a while expecting
my old friends and classmates in Roman Jakobson's Igor Tale seminar of
1960/61, Bob Rothstein and Earl Sampson, to wade in ahead of me because
a few months ago they had both reminisced here about that unforgettably
idiosyncratic seminar, surely one of Jakobson's last and greatest
classroom performances at Harvard.  True to the manner of Bojan 'on
rastekalsja mysliju po drevu...'

Itak, all that talk about whether the Igor Tale isn't, after all, an
18th century forgery is clear indication that our profession, too, has
its share of conspiracy buffs.  If English literature can have the
occasional Elizabethan scholar determined to prove to the world that
Shakespeare's plays were written by somebody else, or, if the
assassination of Jack Kennedy could spawn a regular industry producing
all sorts of conspiracy yarns, why then shouldn't we have our own set of
sleuths digging around the nooks and crannies of the Igor Tale.  Since
it evidently lacks a truly medieval mindset, we must suspect that it's a
fake cooked up by Count Musin-Pushkin and his learned cronies in some
masonic cabal.  Or how about those Ossianic echoes, even Plach'
Jaroslavny has a suspicious look and sound...  Might there not be some
MacPhersonov in the woodwork somewhere?

While I don't mean to make light of literary detective work, I wanted to
remind interested colleagues of the one hard, scientific fact that
remains, when all the shouting is over, the most compelling argument for
the authenticity of the Igor Tale.  Recall that Ol' Igor and his
druzhina don't just ride off into the sunset.  They ride smack into an
ecclipse of the sun which is not your everyday celestial event.  I
haven't checked my notes and can't cite references, but astronomers'
calculations confirm that in the year of Igor's campaign an ecclipse of
the sun did occur and could be seen from the area where Prince Igor went
to do battle with the Polovtsians.  I think it's fair to postulate that
no 18th century literary forger, be he a latter-day Bojan, Nestor, and
Copernicus all rolled into one, could have gotten the dating of that
ecclipse right.  The conspiracy buffs will probably object that the
presumed forger could have worked from a reference to the ecclipse in
the Chronicle, itd, itp.  Anyway...

Apart from fond memories of Roman Jakobson and the conviction that the
Igor Tale couldn't be anything but the genuine article, that long-ago
seminar provided me with the most vivid and memorable dream of my life.
It started with an exhilerating sensation of flight.  Sitting astride a
huge bird I was soaring high in the sky, peering down at Igor and his
horsemen as they rode across the boundless steppe.  The one thing not
clear to me was wether I was flying 'sizym orlom pod oblaky' or riding a
'chernyj voron' who anticipated feasting on the warriors below in due
time.  But suddenly, in midflight, my mount turned into a skeleton, the
bones giving way and sending me into terrifying freefall toward the
ground.  And then I woke up, heart pounding, much surprised and relieved
to be still alive.  That dream should probably have made me realize that
the Igor Tale was built on thin air.

Peter A. Fischer
Adjunct Professor
Georgetown University


From u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de  Thu May  7 19:46:20 1998
From: u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de (Markus Osterrieder)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 21:46:20 +0200
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <THU.7.MAY.1998.214620.0200.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear colleagues,

The eclipse occured on the 1st of May, 1185, at 18:47 Universal Time. It
was seen all over Central and Southern Russia. This event is duely
mentioned in the PVL under the year 6694. Just after this entry, the PVL
says that Igor' rode against the Polovcy. So, any poet could have made
use of this occurence.

Markus Osterrieder



On 07.05.1998 20:54 Uhr P-S.Fischer at worldnet.att.net wrote:

>While I don't mean to make light of literary detective work, I wanted to
>remind interested colleagues of the one hard, scientific fact that
>remains, when all the shouting is over, the most compelling argument for
>the authenticity of the Igor Tale.  Recall that Ol' Igor and his
>druzhina don't just ride off into the sunset.  They ride smack into an
>ecclipse of the sun which is not your everyday celestial event.  I
>haven't checked my notes and can't cite references, but astronomers'
>calculations confirm that in the year of Igor's campaign an ecclipse of
>the sun did occur and could be seen from the area where Prince Igor went
>to do battle with the Polovtsians.  I think it's fair to postulate that
>no 18th century literary forger, be he a latter-day Bojan, Nestor, and
>Copernicus all rolled into one, could have gotten the dating of that
>ecclipse right.  The conspiracy buffs will probably object that the
>presumed forger could have worked from a reference to the ecclipse in
>the Chronicle, itd, itp.  Anyway...


************************************

Markus Osterrieder, M.A.

Osteuropa-Institut
Historische Abteilung
Munich, Germany

eMail: u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de


From richmond at tiger.cc.oxy.edu  Thu May  7 19:49:04 1998
From: richmond at tiger.cc.oxy.edu (Prof. Walter Comins-Richmond)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 15:49:04 EDT
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
In-Reply-To: <Pine.A41.3.95q.980505234258.45416A-100000@aix1.uottawa.ca>
Message-ID: <THU.7.MAY.1998.154904.EDT.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

And was Dobrovsky a great literary figure? I admit I know nothing of him,
but it takes more than knowledge to create a work of literature. This has
always been my rather unscientific rebuttal of the forgery theory: such a
talented writer would have produced other works that would have come to
light.

**********************************
Walter Comins-Richmond
Assistant Professor
Department of Languages and Literatures
Occidental College
Los Angeles, CA 90041

On Tue, 5 May 1998, Robert Orr wrote:

> But was Dobrovsky as good a Turcologist as he was a Slavist?
>
> Robert Orr
>


From keenan at fas.harvard.edu  Thu May  7 19:55:15 1998
From: keenan at fas.harvard.edu (keenan at fas.harvard.edu)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 15:55:15 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <THU.7.MAY.1998.155515.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Colleagues,

I append, as promised, some "theses" that form the basis of my forthcoming
book, in the hope
that they might stimulate and at the same time shape our discussion.  I am
well aware that in the
end only the detailed evidence and argument that I hope to provide in the
book can resolve
these tangled matters, but it seems useful for the moment to have at least a
full and careful
summary of my current views available to others.  And it seems quite
inappropriate for me to
"lurk" while others are discussing these matters on line.

At the same time, as you can imagine, I doubt that I shall be able to
respond to each and every
posting on every aspect of the matter.  To do so, I judge from the traffic
of the past few days,
would be a full-time proposition, and I desperately want to get this fat
manuscript off my desk.

So here a few propositions for you, some of which will be of more interest
than others, depending
on one's own special field.  Please note the care with which I use modifiers
like "probably,"
"possibly," "plausibly," and the like.  There are still many minor aspects
of the story that are not
clear to me.  Conversely, when I say "all," or "none," I am being equally
careful and mean to
indicate that further doubt is unwarranted.

(Apologies for the absence of French and Czech diacritics.)
....................

TO LAY THE GHOST OF THE "LAY OF THE HOST OF IGOR"

I.      One cannot plausibly reconstruct, on the basis of documentary sources,
either the details
of the "discovery" of the putative original manuscript of the Igor Tale
["IT"] or its paleographical
characteristics.  All statements by "eye-witnesses" concerning these matters
are mutually
contradictory or demonstrably false.  There is no missing "Iaroslav
Chronograph," and no
documented proof of the existence of any portion of the IT before 1792 or 1793.

II.     By contrast, one can indeed demonstrate, on the basis of the authentic
correspondence
of the principals, that no "original" manuscript was lost in 1812 -- or,
more precisely, that no one
spoke explicitly of that loss, even when pressed on the matter by an
enthusiastic fellow believer,
when discussing the burning of Musin-Pushkin's house, or when republishing
the IT in 1819.  It is
indeed possible with some confidence to trace the development of the
"destruction legend,"
which did not acquire any general currency even among enthusiasts until some
time after Musin-
Pushkin's death in 1817.

III.    Speculations about the mythical "Musin-Pushkin manuscript" proving
baseless,
historians are left with more conventional documentation -- and with the
text itself, the only
unimpeachable source, apparently, of what we know and can learn about its
origins and
authorship.  After nearly two centuries of efforts to explain its numerous
orthographic, lexical,
morphological, stylistic and thematic "puzzles," an unacceptable -- even
growing -- number
remains without answers.

IV.     A new attempt to resolve them requires a clear-eyed reappraisal of the
"scholarly
tradition," many components of which are quite deplorable.  I have in mind
not only the pillorying
of Andre Mazon and Aleksandr Zimin; the very tools of philology have been
bent to the shape of
an imagined original text.  Dictionaries and other reference works are
corrupted by "ghost" words
and speculation deriving from dogmatic belief in the authenticity of the
tale; a vast array of
secondary non-scholarly behaviors has influenced neighboring disciplines and
crossed national
boundaries.

V.      Consequently, one must re-open the inquiry and re-interrogate all
available witnesses.
These fall naturally into three distinct categories: 1) the "eye-witnesses"
(Musin-Pushkin,
Malinovskii, Selivanovskii) whose testimony is solicited after 1812 by the
unreliable, mad
Kalaidovich; 2) documented "sightings" of the/a text of the IT -- NB not
"Musin-Pushkin's
manuscript" -- before 1800 (Ivan P. Elagin [1792-3], Kheraskov [1796],
Karamzin [1797]); 3) the
witness of the texts themselves, that is, the Editio Princeps, the so-called
"Catherinian copy," the
"Malinovskii papers," and a few other pre-1800 traces.  Although it is
readily apparent that the
"eye-witnesses" impeach themselves and one another, and that the
"sightings," while irrefutable,
are limited in their import, both are helpful in reconstructing the milieu
in which the IT took final
form.  These texts, properly construed,  are themselves eloquent and
unimpeachable witnesses
to the process of creation of the text, which took its near-final form in
mid-1798.

VI.     The close study of the "Malinovskii papers" reveals clues as to how the
text was put
together, and permits us to talk of first and second "states," before and
after the integration of the
"fragments" found in Malinovskii's archive.  These fragments contain, as
clearly delineated and
integral units, the well-known passages from the "Apostol" of 1307 and the
late version of the
"Molenie Daniila Zatochnika," as well as compact borrowings from specific,
identifiable copies of
the Zadonshchina (especially ms. Sin. 790) and the "Skazanie o Mamaevom
poboishche"
(Timkovskii's copy).  Elagin clearly copied the incipit from a version of
the "first state;"
Kheraskov and Karamzin probably saw or were told of the same version.  A new
chronology of
the history of the text, 1792/3-1800, can be constructed with some confidence.

VII.    The consideration of textual (lexical, morphological) features leads to
the conclusion that
the two "states" were probably the work of a single author.  The scrutiny of
"original" passages
(i.e., those not clearly related to the texts mentioned just above) permits
the delineation of an
authorial persona, characterized by an extraordinary familiarity with
Slavonic languages and
narrative texts, especially Biblical and historical; by a deep interest in
Slavic valor and unity; by a
fascination with sound and light effects -- especially bird and animal
sounds; by a deist
equanimity with regard to paganism, Christianity, and a personified nature;
and, paradoxically,
by a deficient familiarity with certain specifically East Slavic linguistic
and historical realities.
This author is also familiar with the Hebrew Old Testament and Targum, with
Classical and
Biblical Greek and Latin, and with the Italian Renaissance.

VIII.   Josef Dobrovsky (1753-1829) was probably the only person of his
generation who could
properly understand the IT, and he is in all likelihood its creator.  His
early biography and training
in Biblical and Slavic studies suit him uniquely for that role.  His work in
the manuscript
collections of Saint Petersburg and Moscow in 1792-93 (including
Musin-Pushkin's) provided him
access to precisely those manuscript copies of all known possible sources
that have the most
telling similarities to the text.  (His surviving notes record his use of
such crucial items as the
1307 Apostol, ms. Sin 790, and the Hypatian copy of the Primary Chronicle.)
He arrived in
Russia at the peak of interest in Ossian and fascination with Tmutorokan'.
His Slavofil (his word)
views, his later reactions to the publication of the IT, and his response to
the forgeries of
"medieval Czech" poems by his students Hanka and Linde are all congruent
with this conclusion.

IX.     Reexamination of the text reveals that a large number -- almost all --
of its well-known
"obscurities" (hapax legomena, garbled passages, out-of-place "polonisms"
and "classicisms,"
pagan/Christian contradictions, geographical and genealogical absurdities,
etc.) can be resolved
in light of the hypothesis of Dobrovsky's authorship.  In particular, the
often-discussed "Turkic"
lexemes are in their majority (leaving aside proper names) Slavic, Hebrew,
or Italian in origin.

X.      Tentative conclusions:
        1.      The original text of the IT was composed in several stages or fragments,
starting
in 1792 or 1793, by Dobrovsky, as an "imitation" of the Zadonshchina, which
he had just read, or
as Ossianic "variations" on its themes.  It is probable that Dobrovsky did
not set out to perpetrate
a hoax, and did not intend that these "fragments" be published (see 7,
below).  He showed the
"first state" to Elagin, and subsequently, after returning to Prague, sent
him (or perhaps
Malinovskii) additional "fragments."
        2.      Elagin's papers having passed after his death to Musin-Pushkin,
Kheraskov and
Karamzin somehow learned of the existence of the text(s).  They both alluded
to "fragments,"
unmistakably some portion of the IT text, in print.
        3.      After Karamzin's explicit public announcement of the discovery in 1797,
Musin-
Pushkin appears to have instructed Malinovskii to prepare an edition.
        4.      Malinovskii was primarily (almost solely?) responsible for the
preparation of the
final text, which occupied him from mid-1798 until the appearance of the
first edition in 1800.
        5.      Dobrovsky was unaware of this activity, and was taken by surprise by the
appearance of the text Editio Princeps in 1800.  But he chose not to
challenge the text's
authenticity (as he would later, for a time, not expose his students'
fraud), and subsequently
always treated the subject very circumspectly.
        6.      It is quite possible that neither Musin-Pushkin nor Malinovskii knew the
real
origin of their text, but both certainly knew that they had never seen an
"ancient manuscript."
(Malinovskii may well have known more than he told Musin-Pushkin about
theorigin of the text.)
Hence their obfuscation in dealing with Kalaidovich, and Malinovskii's
ill-fated commission in
1815 to Bardin to fabricate an "ancient" copy.
        7.      The question of motivation is exceedingly complex, not only because we must
set aside the prejudices of our age about authenticity and our sense of the
grandeur of the IT, but
because Dobrovský was without doubt gravely afflicted with manic-depressive
illness, and we
cannot know his mental state when he began and continued to work on his
"fragments."  But the
views reflected in his voluminous writings and correspondence -- some sane,
some clearly
delirious -- comport well with the "message" of the IT, to the extent that
the latter can be
established.


I've tried in these brief paragraphs to provide a sense of how I now see the
text and its history.
There remain, for me, many unanswered questions and, I do not doubt, many
unanswerable
ones.  As we approach a general discussion, let me make three appeals to all:

Please remember that most questions anyone might pose -- about textual
relations, about lost
manuscripts, about motivations and behaviors -- will arise from the
seemingly intolerable
contrast between common probabilities, on the one hand, and what might
appear to be highly
improbable conclusions (e.g., that a famous Bohemian Gelehrter might,
without wishing it, have
bamboozled the Russian learned public.)  But the most improbable belief in
this whole field of
culture history is the belief that such a text could have appeared in East
Slavic territory in the
late twelfth century, whereas the appearance of one more Ossianic text
anywhere in Europe or
America in 1793 is so probable as to be quite unremarkable, were it not for
the length of its
successful run.

Remember, too, that I say nothing about the poetical or other literary
merits of the text, though I
have spent far too much of my life considering them.  It doesn't really
matter to my argument
whether this is a work of great artistry, a learned bagatelle, or a
delirious pastiche.  I do,
however, think that here we can agree with Dmitrii Likhachev, who made a
thoughtful point in his
remarks prepared for the public humiliation of Aleksandr Zimin in 1962, a
copy of which he
helpfully sent to Roman Jakobson at the time: since generations of Russian
geniuses -- poets,
sculptors, graphic artists and musicians -- have been inspired by the IT to
create great works of
art, the IT itself must have been written in the twelfth century, where it
towers over the literary
landscape as a work of genius; had it been written in the eighteenth, it
would have been a "mere
trifle" (_bezdelushka_).

Remember, finally, that Zimin was right when he wrote to Likhachev that "the
Igor Tale is, after
all, not an article of faith, but a subject of scholarship."  And Likhachev
was profoundly wrong
when he wrote to a member of the Central Committee of the Communist Party,
"the question of
[the authenticity of] the Igor Tale is one of significance to our nation."
Russian culture and
national self-esteem can easily survive -- and in my view will benefit from
-- the removal of this
alien organism, which has become a malignant impediment to self-examination
and historical
understanding.

Edward L. Keenan
Professor of History
Harvard University
Robinson Hall
Cambridge, MA 02138

(617) 495-2556   FAX: 496-3425


From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Thu May  7 20:25:12 1998
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 16:25:12 -0400
Subject: Web Internship with Virtual Foundation (fwd)
Message-ID: <THU.7.MAY.1998.162512.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

This looks interesting for any undergrad techies out there who want
experience and are in the eastern PA region (or wouldn't mind going
there).  And it's a paid internship!

Devin / Divan

Devin P Browne
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu

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From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 16:35:28 -0400
Subject: Job: Academic ESL teachers, Tashkent (fwd)
Message-ID: <THU.7.MAY.1998.163528.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

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along....

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From nyuka at Claritech.com  Thu May  7 20:37:04 1998
From: nyuka at Claritech.com (Kamneva, Natalia)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 16:37:04 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <THU.7.MAY.1998.163704.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

It is a very interesting discussion! I heard about it when I was young (
in 1962 ), and
I didn't know that it is still a subject for a discussion. I would like
to know your opinion
and , especially, Shurik's ( Lesha's ??? ) point on it.

        -----Original Message-----
        From:   keenan at fas.harvard.edu [SMTP:keenan at fas.harvard.edu]
        Sent:   Thursday, May 07, 1998 3:55 PM
        To:     SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
        Subject:        Slovo o polku Igoreve

        Dear Colleagues,

        I append, as promised, some "theses" that form the basis of my
forthcoming
        book, in the hope
        that they might stimulate and at the same time shape our
discussion.  I am
        well aware that in the
        end only the detailed evidence and argument that I hope to
provide in the
        book can resolve
        these tangled matters, but it seems useful for the moment to
have at least a
        full and careful
        summary of my current views available to others.  And it seems
quite
        inappropriate for me to
        "lurk" while others are discussing these matters on line.

        At the same time, as you can imagine, I doubt that I shall be
able to
        respond to each and every
        posting on every aspect of the matter.  To do so, I judge from
the traffic
        of the past few days,
        would be a full-time proposition, and I desperately want to get
this fat
        manuscript off my desk.

        So here a few propositions for you, some of which will be of
more interest
        than others, depending
        on one's own special field.  Please note the care with which I
use modifiers
        like "probably,"
        "possibly," "plausibly," and the like.  There are still many
minor aspects
        of the story that are not
        clear to me.  Conversely, when I say "all," or "none," I am
being equally
        careful and mean to
        indicate that further doubt is unwarranted.

        (Apologies for the absence of French and Czech diacritics.)
        ....................

        TO LAY THE GHOST OF THE "LAY OF THE HOST OF IGOR"

        I.      One cannot plausibly reconstruct, on the basis of
documentary sources,
        either the details
        of the "discovery" of the putative original manuscript of the
Igor Tale
        ["IT"] or its paleographical
        characteristics.  All statements by "eye-witnesses" concerning
these matters
        are mutually
        contradictory or demonstrably false.  There is no missing
"Iaroslav
        Chronograph," and no
        documented proof of the existence of any portion of the IT
before 1792 or 1793.

        II.     By contrast, one can indeed demonstrate, on the basis of
the authentic
        correspondence
        of the principals, that no "original" manuscript was lost in
1812 -- or,
        more precisely, that no one
        spoke explicitly of that loss, even when pressed on the matter
by an
        enthusiastic fellow believer,
        when discussing the burning of Musin-Pushkin's house, or when
republishing
        the IT in 1819.  It is
        indeed possible with some confidence to trace the development of
the
        "destruction legend,"
        which did not acquire any general currency even among
enthusiasts until some
        time after Musin-
        Pushkin's death in 1817.

        III.    Speculations about the mythical "Musin-Pushkin
manuscript" proving
        baseless,
        historians are left with more conventional documentation -- and
with the
        text itself, the only
        unimpeachable source, apparently, of what we know and can learn
about its
        origins and
        authorship.  After nearly two centuries of efforts to explain
its numerous
        orthographic, lexical,
        morphological, stylistic and thematic "puzzles," an unacceptable
-- even
        growing -- number
        remains without answers.

        IV.     A new attempt to resolve them requires a clear-eyed
reappraisal of the
        "scholarly
        tradition," many components of which are quite deplorable.  I
have in mind
        not only the pillorying
        of Andre Mazon and Aleksandr Zimin; the very tools of philology
have been
        bent to the shape of
        an imagined original text.  Dictionaries and other reference
works are
        corrupted by "ghost" words
        and speculation deriving from dogmatic belief in the
authenticity of the
        tale; a vast array of
        secondary non-scholarly behaviors has influenced neighboring
disciplines and
        crossed national
        boundaries.

        V.      Consequently, one must re-open the inquiry and
re-interrogate all
        available witnesses.
        These fall naturally into three distinct categories: 1) the
"eye-witnesses"
        (Musin-Pushkin,
        Malinovskii, Selivanovskii) whose testimony is solicited after
1812 by the
        unreliable, mad
        Kalaidovich; 2) documented "sightings" of the/a text of the IT
-- NB not
        "Musin-Pushkin's
        manuscript" -- before 1800 (Ivan P. Elagin [1792-3], Kheraskov
[1796],
        Karamzin [1797]); 3) the
        witness of the texts themselves, that is, the Editio Princeps,
the so-called
        "Catherinian copy," the
        "Malinovskii papers," and a few other pre-1800 traces.  Although
it is
        readily apparent that the
        "eye-witnesses" impeach themselves and one another, and that the
        "sightings," while irrefutable,
        are limited in their import, both are helpful in reconstructing
the milieu
        in which the IT took final
        form.  These texts, properly construed,  are themselves eloquent
and
        unimpeachable witnesses
        to the process of creation of the text, which took its
near-final form in
        mid-1798.

        VI.     The close study of the "Malinovskii papers" reveals
clues as to how the
        text was put
        together, and permits us to talk of first and second "states,"
before and
        after the integration of the
        "fragments" found in Malinovskii's archive.  These fragments
contain, as
        clearly delineated and
        integral units, the well-known passages from the "Apostol" of
1307 and the
        late version of the
        "Molenie Daniila Zatochnika," as well as compact borrowings from
specific,
        identifiable copies of
        the Zadonshchina (especially ms. Sin. 790) and the "Skazanie o
Mamaevom
        poboishche"
        (Timkovskii's copy).  Elagin clearly copied the incipit from a
version of
        the "first state;"
        Kheraskov and Karamzin probably saw or were told of the same
version.  A new
        chronology of
        the history of the text, 1792/3-1800, can be constructed with
some confidence.

        VII.    The consideration of textual (lexical, morphological)
features leads to
        the conclusion that
        the two "states" were probably the work of a single author.  The
scrutiny of
        "original" passages
        (i.e., those not clearly related to the texts mentioned just
above) permits
        the delineation of an
        authorial persona, characterized by an extraordinary familiarity
with
        Slavonic languages and
        narrative texts, especially Biblical and historical; by a deep
interest in
        Slavic valor and unity; by a
        fascination with sound and light effects -- especially bird and
animal
        sounds; by a deist
        equanimity with regard to paganism, Christianity, and a
personified nature;
        and, paradoxically,
        by a deficient familiarity with certain specifically East Slavic
linguistic
        and historical realities.
        This author is also familiar with the Hebrew Old Testament and
Targum, with
        Classical and
        Biblical Greek and Latin, and with the Italian Renaissance.

        VIII.   Josef Dobrovsky (1753-1829) was probably the only person
of his
        generation who could
        properly understand the IT, and he is in all likelihood its
creator.  His
        early biography and training
        in Biblical and Slavic studies suit him uniquely for that role.
His work in
        the manuscript
        collections of Saint Petersburg and Moscow in 1792-93 (including
        Musin-Pushkin's) provided him
        access to precisely those manuscript copies of all known
possible sources
        that have the most
        telling similarities to the text.  (His surviving notes record
his use of
        such crucial items as the
        1307 Apostol, ms. Sin 790, and the Hypatian copy of the Primary
Chronicle.)
        He arrived in
        Russia at the peak of interest in Ossian and fascination with
Tmutorokan'.
        His Slavofil (his word)
        views, his later reactions to the publication of the IT, and his
response to
        the forgeries of
        "medieval Czech" poems by his students Hanka and Linde are all
congruent
        with this conclusion.

        IX.     Reexamination of the text reveals that a large number --
almost all --
        of its well-known
        "obscurities" (hapax legomena, garbled passages, out-of-place
"polonisms"
        and "classicisms,"
        pagan/Christian contradictions, geographical and genealogical
absurdities,
        etc.) can be resolved
        in light of the hypothesis of Dobrovsky's authorship.  In
particular, the
        often-discussed "Turkic"
        lexemes are in their majority (leaving aside proper names)
Slavic, Hebrew,
        or Italian in origin.

        X.      Tentative conclusions:
                1.      The original text of the IT was composed in
several stages or fragments,
        starting
        in 1792 or 1793, by Dobrovsky, as an "imitation" of the
Zadonshchina, which
        he had just read, or
        as Ossianic "variations" on its themes.  It is probable that
Dobrovsky did
        not set out to perpetrate
        a hoax, and did not intend that these "fragments" be published
(see 7,
        below).  He showed the
        "first state" to Elagin, and subsequently, after returning to
Prague, sent
        him (or perhaps
        Malinovskii) additional "fragments."
                2.      Elagin's papers having passed after his death to
Musin-Pushkin,
        Kheraskov and
        Karamzin somehow learned of the existence of the text(s).  They
both alluded
        to "fragments,"
        unmistakably some portion of the IT text, in print.
                3.      After Karamzin's explicit public announcement of
the discovery in 1797,
        Musin-
        Pushkin appears to have instructed Malinovskii to prepare an
edition.
                4.      Malinovskii was primarily (almost solely?)
responsible for the
        preparation of the
        final text, which occupied him from mid-1798 until the
appearance of the
        first edition in 1800.
                5.      Dobrovsky was unaware of this activity, and was
taken by surprise by the
        appearance of the text Editio Princeps in 1800.  But he chose
not to
        challenge the text's
        authenticity (as he would later, for a time, not expose his
students'
        fraud), and subsequently
        always treated the subject very circumspectly.
                6.      It is quite possible that neither Musin-Pushkin
nor Malinovskii knew the
        real
        origin of their text, but both certainly knew that they had
never seen an
        "ancient manuscript."
        (Malinovskii may well have known more than he told Musin-Pushkin
about
        theorigin of the text.)
        Hence their obfuscation in dealing with Kalaidovich, and
Malinovskii's
        ill-fated commission in
        1815 to Bardin to fabricate an "ancient" copy.
                7.      The question of motivation is exceedingly
complex, not only because we must
        set aside the prejudices of our age about authenticity and our
sense of the
        grandeur of the IT, but
        because Dobrovsk} was without doubt gravely afflicted with
manic-depressive
        illness, and we
        cannot know his mental state when he began and continued to work
on his
        "fragments."  But the
        views reflected in his voluminous writings and correspondence --
some sane,
        some clearly
        delirious -- comport well with the "message" of the IT, to the
extent that
        the latter can be
        established.


        I've tried in these brief paragraphs to provide a sense of how I
now see the
        text and its history.
        There remain, for me, many unanswered questions and, I do not
doubt, many
        unanswerable
        ones.  As we approach a general discussion, let me make three
appeals to all:

        Please remember that most questions anyone might pose -- about
textual
        relations, about lost
        manuscripts, about motivations and behaviors -- will arise from
the
        seemingly intolerable
        contrast between common probabilities, on the one hand, and what
might
        appear to be highly
        improbable conclusions (e.g., that a famous Bohemian Gelehrter
might,
        without wishing it, have
        bamboozled the Russian learned public.)  But the most improbable
belief in
        this whole field of
        culture history is the belief that such a text could have
appeared in East
        Slavic territory in the
        late twelfth century, whereas the appearance of one more
Ossianic text
        anywhere in Europe or
        America in 1793 is so probable as to be quite unremarkable, were
it not for
        the length of its
        successful run.

        Remember, too, that I say nothing about the poetical or other
literary
        merits of the text, though I
        have spent far too much of my life considering them.  It doesn't
really
        matter to my argument
        whether this is a work of great artistry, a learned bagatelle,
or a
        delirious pastiche.  I do,
        however, think that here we can agree with Dmitrii Likhachev,
who made a
        thoughtful point in his
        remarks prepared for the public humiliation of Aleksandr Zimin
in 1962, a
        copy of which he
        helpfully sent to Roman Jakobson at the time: since generations
of Russian
        geniuses -- poets,
        sculptors, graphic artists and musicians -- have been inspired
by the IT to
        create great works of
        art, the IT itself must have been written in the twelfth
century, where it
        towers over the literary
        landscape as a work of genius; had it been written in the
eighteenth, it
        would have been a "mere
        trifle" (_bezdelushka_).

        Remember, finally, that Zimin was right when he wrote to
Likhachev that "the
        Igor Tale is, after
        all, not an article of faith, but a subject of scholarship."
And Likhachev
        was profoundly wrong
        when he wrote to a member of the Central Committee of the
Communist Party,
        "the question of
        [the authenticity of] the Igor Tale is one of significance to
our nation."
        Russian culture and
        national self-esteem can easily survive -- and in my view will
benefit from
        -- the removal of this
        alien organism, which has become a malignant impediment to
self-examination
        and historical
        understanding.

        Edward L. Keenan
        Professor of History
        Harvard University
        Robinson Hall
        Cambridge, MA 02138

        (617) 495-2556   FAX: 496-3425


From KHIRVASA at carleton.edu  Thu May  7 21:32:38 1998
From: KHIRVASA at carleton.edu (Katya Hirvasaho)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 15:32:38 -0600
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <THU.7.MAY.1998.153238.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Robert Orr wrote:

>My question remains: there appears to be no linguistic evidence that the
>Slovo is a fabrication/forgery, and until such evidence comes to light,
>one might well question the value of a comparison between the
>(geunine until proven otherwise) twelfth century Slovo and the (invented)
>eighteenth century Ossian.

Is there any evidence to prove that linguistics is the only field of study
capable of proving and disproving originality of works of art?

Katya Hirvasaho


From roborr at aix1.uottawa.ca  Fri May  8 02:15:41 1998
From: roborr at aix1.uottawa.ca (Robert Orr)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 22:15:41 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
In-Reply-To: <v01510101b177cf5dabe1@[137.22.63.97]>
Message-ID: <THU.7.MAY.1998.221541.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

> >My question remains: there appears to be no linguistic evidence that the
> >Slovo is a fabrication/forgery, and until such evidence comes to light,
> >one might well question the value of a comparison between the
> >(geunine until proven otherwise) twelfth century Slovo and the (invented)
> >eighteenth century Ossian.
>
> Is there any evidence to prove that linguistics is the only field of study
> capable of proving and disproving originality of works of art?
>
No, not the ONLY field, but certainly ONE essential contributory field
that cannot be ignored.

Robert Orr


From BarDan at compuserve.com  Fri May  8 05:57:28 1998
From: BarDan at compuserve.com (Milman/Rancour-Laferriere)
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 01:57:28 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <FRI.8.MAY.1998.015728.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

7 May 1998

Colleagues:

Edward L. Keenan has just driven another one of his golden nails into the
coffin of Russian nationalist scholarship.  Not only is the Igor tale not
part of "Russian" literature, it is not even a part of "Rusian" (Lunt)
literature.

Another way to look at this is to observe that there is one less reason for
conflating things Rusian with things Russian, because there is one less
Rusian cultural object for Russian culture to claim for itself.

And this is good for Ukrainians, who are naturally offended by expressions
such as "Kievan Russia" ("Rossiia kievskaia" - Berdiaev) in reference to
Rus' before Russia existed.

Let's just adopt Horace Lunt's term "Rusian" and stop offending the other
East Slavs.


Daniel Rancour-Laferriere
University of California, Davis
BarDan at compuserve.com


From jdclayt at mail.utexas.edu  Fri May  8 12:02:55 1998
From: jdclayt at mail.utexas.edu (J. Douglas Clayton)
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 08:02:55 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
In-Reply-To: <199805080157_MC2-3C51-F698@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.MAY.1998.080255.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>
>Edward L. Keenan has just driven another one of his golden nails into the
>coffin of Russian nationalist scholarship.  Not only is the Igor tale not
>part of "Russian" literature, it is not even a part of "Rusian" (Lunt)
>literature.
>
>Another way to look at this is to observe that there is one less reason for
>conflating things Rusian with things Russian, because there is one less
>Rusian cultural object for Russian culture to claim for itself.
>
>And this is good for Ukrainians, who are naturally offended by expressions
>such as "Kievan Russia" ("Rossiia kievskaia" - Berdiaev) in reference to
>Rus' before Russia existed.
>
Our job is not to police which works belong to which literary traditions,
but to dispassionately observe the functioning of the national myth that we
call Russian literature. If that myth appropriates Slovo, then we have a
right to describe that appropriation, document it, and account for it. It
is a literary fact. Whether or not we say they have no right to do it, they
will continue to do so. By the way, Slovo is also appropriated by
modern-day Ukrainians as "Ukrainian literature." This is as offensive to
some as "Rossiia kievskaia" is to others. What is important is that it is
done *because* it is offensive (in the etymological sense), in other words,
a counter-appropriation. Beyond the issue of appropriation (and indeed of
the authenticity of Slovo, which, in the context of modern Russian
literature is a red herring), no one can dispute, it seems to me, that
Slovo is a highly influential text in Russian literature, culture, and
identity - as important, perhaps, as Kosovo is to the Serbs.




******************************************************************************
J. Douglas Clayton                              Tel. 512-471-3607 (office)
Professor and Chair                                  512-899-0848 (home)
Slavic Languages & Literatures                  Fax  512-471-6710
University of Texas
Austin TX 78713-7217

http://www.dla.utexas.edu/depts/slavic/profs/clayton.html


From aisrael at american.edu  Fri May  8 13:43:59 1998
From: aisrael at american.edu (Alina Israeli)
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 09:43:59 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <FRI.8.MAY.1998.094359.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Daniel Rancour-Laferriere wrote:

>7 May 1998
>
>Colleagues:
>
>Edward L. Keenan has just driven another one of his golden nails into the
>coffin of Russian nationalist scholarship.  Not only is the Igor tale not
>part of "Russian" literature, it is not even a part of "Rusian" (Lunt)
>literature.
>
>Another way to look at this is to observe that there is one less reason for
>conflating things Rusian with things Russian, because there is one less
>Rusian cultural object for Russian culture to claim for itself.
>
>And this is good for Ukrainians, who are naturally offended by expressions
>such as "Kievan Russia" ("Rossiia kievskaia" - Berdiaev) in reference to
>Rus' before Russia existed.
>
>Let's just adopt Horace Lunt's term "Rusian" and stop offending the other
>East Slavs.

This is not just policing "which works belong to which literary traditions"
as J. Douglas Clayton wrote, but ideological control of language and
linguistics. By the same token, Portugese should hate Spaniards for common
cultural history, and French should have it in for Italians for the common
Latin literature and language, and we should all hate each other for having
shared the common Indo-European language. And we should certainly support
the Greeks in their claim to the word Macedonian.

Alina Israeli


From ggerhart at wolfenet.com  Fri May  8 15:03:13 1998
From: ggerhart at wolfenet.com (Genevra Gerhart)
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 08:03:13 -0700
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <FRI.8.MAY.1998.080313.0700.>

Thank you, Alina, for bringing reason to the teapot tempest. gg
--
Genevra Gerhart
http://www.wolfenet.com/~ggerhart/

2134 E. Interlaken  Bl.                 Tel. 206/329-0053
Seattle, WA  98112                      ggerhart at wolfenet.com


From KHIRVASA at carleton.edu  Fri May  8 15:24:58 1998
From: KHIRVASA at carleton.edu (Katya Hirvasaho)
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 09:24:58 -0600
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <FRI.8.MAY.1998.092458.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

J. Douglas Clayton wrote:
>>
>Our job is not to police which works belong to which literary traditions,
>but to dispassionately observe the functioning of the national myth that we
>call Russian literature. If that myth appropriates Slovo, then we have a
>right to describe that appropriation, document it, and account for it. It
>is a literary fact. Whether or not we say they have no right to do it, they
>will continue to do so. By the way, Slovo is also appropriated by
>modern-day Ukrainians as "Ukrainian literature." This is as offensive to
>some as "Rossiia kievskaia" is to others. What is important is that it is
>done *because* it is offensive (in the etymological sense), in other words,
>a counter-appropriation. Beyond the issue of appropriation (and indeed of
>the authenticity of Slovo, which, in the context of modern Russian
>literature is a red herring), no one can dispute, it seems to me, that
>Slovo is a highly influential text in Russian literature, culture, and
>identity - as important, perhaps, as Kosovo is to the Serbs.
>
>
>
>
>******************************************************************************
>J. Douglas Clayton                              Tel. 512-471-3607 (office)
>Professor and Chair                                  512-899-0848 (home)
>Slavic Languages & Literatures                  Fax  512-471-6710
>University of Texas
>Austin TX 78713-7217
>
>http://www.dla.utexas.edu/depts/slavic/profs/clayton.html

--Certainly our job is not policing; however, as scholars we do have the
responsibility to try to be as impartial as possible and not contribute to
the perpetuation of myths, be they cultural or national, or kul'ty
lichnosti.  One problem is that it is not generally recognized that
language is a tool of cultural implementation and control and is never
neutral.  To use the term "Kievan Russia" would indeed be reinforcing the
Russian nationalist myth of Kiev as Russian. It is not an "innocent" term.
For example, in English we no longer consider "he" to be a neutral, generic
designation as it was claimed to be in earlier times, but one marked by
gender.

Katya Hirvasaho


From aisrael at american.edu  Fri May  8 15:35:09 1998
From: aisrael at american.edu (Alina Israeli)
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 11:35:09 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <FRI.8.MAY.1998.113509.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Katya Hirvasaho wrote:

>  One problem is that it is not generally recognized that
>language is a tool of cultural implementation and control and is never
>neutral.  To use the term "Kievan Russia" would indeed be reinforcing the
>Russian nationalist myth of Kiev as Russian. It is not an "innocent" term.
>For example, in English we no longer consider "he" to be a neutral, generic
>designation as it was claimed to be in earlier times, but one marked by
>gender.

But doesn't the already cited Povest' vremennyx let say: "otkuda est'
poshla russkaja zemlja"? Should we also object to the self-name of the time
on the grounds that later on the nation split? Aren't we perpetuating the
"bratoubijstvennye mezhdousobicy" of the time, only under a different
guise?

Alina Israeli


From solomons at slt.lk  Fri May  8 17:00:19 1998
From: solomons at slt.lk (Wendell W. Solomons)
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 23:00:19 +0600
Subject: Escapism and Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <FRI.8.MAY.1998.230019.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Greetings !

We have seen civil rationale expressed for the study
of the Legend of Igor's Platoon at this time in history:

>Russian culture and national self-esteem can easily survive --
>and in my view will benefit from -- the removal of this alien
>organism, which has become a malignant impediment to self-
>examination and historical understanding.

>Edward L. Keenan
>Harvard University

It transpires that we also need to understand allusions
such as:

>no one can dispute, it seems to me, that
>Slovo is a highly influential text in
>Russian literature, culture, and identity -
>as important, perhaps, as Kosovo is to the
>Serbs.

>J. Douglas Clayton
>University of Texas

There is history right here. We know Russians
experienced two alien cultural intrusions in
this century, that of (1) Karl Marx's Communism
and that of (2) Milton Friedman's neoliberalism.

Both alien intrusions were materially assisted
by treasuries overseas, in the second case quite
overtly. PR firm Buston-Marstellar sent its
bill to the U.S. tax-payer with the good grace
of the U.S.AID's uncontested contractor Jeffery
Sachs of Harvard.

Five years after this "Free-to-Choose" campaign, on
the territory of Russia are strewn 6000 nuclear
warheads whereas some 20 million people have not
received their salaries for 8 months and more. To
feed their families, nuclear technicians are leaving
for countries they may NEVER have wanted to work in
before. Jeffrey Sachs has made a contribution to
nuclear proliferation and it is in such circumstances
that the Ph.D. head of a nuclear research institution
shot himself in the head because he had no other
alternative to offer the families of his colleagues.

This is hardly a time to dig pits for one's neighbor.
In the circumstances of such disarray in Russia it is
not only sportsmanship that matters though to that we
must make our bow.

We must consider the ecological pit into which much of
Eurasia would fall  -- with the threat to civilization
extending into the Americas. If the Russian economy is
not stabilized, we must consider that the continuation
of a free-for-all in that country will transport us into
scenes in Revelations.

If appreciate that "study is study," we must also have
the horizons to realise that haste NOW for an ethnic
cleanup in culture may depict us in the throes of hunt on
fellow man, incensed by the same neoliberal utopia of
"Free-to-choose." This again is the same anarchist
formulation hyped parasitically since 1976. "Me-Myself-Mine"
was promoted on a platform provided by COMMUNITY resources.

We see Jeffery Sachs' prepared his audience for a trip rather
like Marshall Applewhite did at Heaven's Gate. That Pied Piper
completed his escapist mission last year when 39 U.S. citizens
drank vodka or softdrink laced with cyanide and left the parents
who had raised them. In this situation, we must have the wisdom
to refrain from rushing on another escapist race into an ultimate
choice such as Heaven's Gate for everyone on this earth.

Finally, we might enquire about the sincerity on cleansing of
Harvard's Slavic lights. What were they doing when in their
very neighborhood Jeffrey Sachs packed his bag of neoliberalism
to implant it in Russia. Did their expertise on Russia speak out
about the grafting of a foreign body at cost to their fellow
Americans' resources? Were they blind to malignant implants
then? Are they more astute leaders today? Can we avoid becoming
victims of an escapist stunt?

I can no better close my comment by mentioning that on 25th
January this year an emphatic warning on neoliberal agenda
came quite significantly from Pontiff John Paul II.

Shalom! Peace! Mir!

:---------------------:
wendell wilmir solomons
management research
:---------------------:

Friedman's sponsor used the cry "Evil Empire" to save us from all
Soviet citizens. He was later forced to withdraw the scapegoat idea
but Friedman and Sachs have brought it home to us:

REV 17:3  Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a
desert. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was
covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns.

4  The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering
with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her
hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries.

5  This title was written on her forehead: MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT
THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

6  I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints, the
blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus. When I saw her, I was
greatly astonished.


From KHIRVASA at carleton.edu  Fri May  8 19:35:31 1998
From: KHIRVASA at carleton.edu (Katya Hirvasaho)
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 13:35:31 -0600
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <FRI.8.MAY.1998.133531.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>But doesn't the already cited Povest' vremennyx let say: "otkuda est'
>poshla russkaja zemlja"? Should we also object to the self-name of the time
>on the grounds that later on the nation split? Aren't we perpetuating the
>"bratoubijstvennye mezhdousobicy" of the time, only under a different
>guise?
>
>Alina Israeli

--It can be confusing, but when we, the speakers of late 20th century, say
"Russia" and "Russian," it does not mean the same as "russkaja zemlja" of
the PVL.  "Russia" is a political, ideological, and cultural concept,
invented in the 18th and 19th centuries in its present interpretation.
(Benedict Anderson,  _Imagined Communities.  Reflections on the Origin and
Spread of Nationalism_.  Revised ed.  London and New York:  Verso, 1991.)

For example, since there was no France, Charlemagne is not referred to as a
French king, but Frankish.

Katya Hirvasaho


From JKALB at WELLESLEY.EDU  Fri May  8 19:46:07 1998
From: JKALB at WELLESLEY.EDU (Judith E. Kalb)
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 15:46:07 -0400
Subject: help for Japanese-American student studying Russian
Message-ID: <FRI.8.MAY.1998.154607.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear colleagues,
I am wondering whether any of you might have some advice for a student of
mine who is eager to go study in Russia next year.  She is hesitating
because she does not know whether as a Japanese-American she would
be at particular risk of encountering bigotry and potential danger while
there. She is eager to talk to other Asian-American students who have
studied in Russia recently.  If any of you knows about this issue or has
someone she might be able to consult, we'd be very grateful indeed!
Thank you,
Judith Kalb

Dr. Judith E. Kalb
Department of Russian
Wellesley College
Wellesley, MA 02181
jkalb at wellesley.edu


From aisrael at american.edu  Fri May  8 19:47:25 1998
From: aisrael at american.edu (Alina Israeli)
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 15:47:25 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <FRI.8.MAY.1998.154725.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Katya Hirvasaho wrote:

>For example, since there was no France, Charlemagne is not referred to as a
>French king, but Frankish.

But Rus' existed, and therefore the daughter of one of the Kievan princes
(knjaz' Jaroslav Mudryj) is known as Anne de Russie, after she married a
French king (Henri I).

Alina Israeli


From ipustino at syr.edu  Fri May  8 19:53:10 1998
From: ipustino at syr.edu (Irena Ustinova)
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 15:53:10 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <FRI.8.MAY.1998.155310.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Before the 14th century there was one nation, that later divided into
Russians, Ukrainians, Belorussians and one language- Old Slavic. So there is
nothing offensive for Ukrainians  that the State was Kiev Rus', as there was
a tribe of Rus' who lived at that territory.

Irena Ustinova


and oAt 09:43 AM 5/8/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Daniel Rancour-Laferriere wrote:
>
>>7 May 1998
>>
>>Colleagues:
>>
>>Edward L. Keenan has just driven another one of his golden nails into the
>>coffin of Russian nationalist scholarship.  Not only is the Igor tale not
>>part of "Russian" literature, it is not even a part of "Rusian" (Lunt)
>>literature.
>>
>>Another way to look at this is to observe that there is one less reason for
>>conflating things Rusian with things Russian, because there is one less
>>Rusian cultural object for Russian culture to claim for itself.
>>
>>And this is good for Ukrainians, who are naturally offended by expressions
>>such as "Kievan Russia" ("Rossiia kievskaia" - Berdiaev) in reference to
>>Rus' before Russia existed.
>>
>>Let's just adopt Horace Lunt's term "Rusian" and stop offending the other
>>East Slavs.
>
>This is not just policing "which works belong to which literary traditions"
>as J. Douglas Clayton wrote, but ideological control of language and
>linguistics. By the same token, Portugese should hate Spaniards for common
>cultural history, and French should have it in for Italians for the common
>Latin literature and language, and we should all hate each other for having
>shared the common Indo-European language. And we should certainly support
>the Greeks in their claim to the word Macedonian.
>
>Alina Israeli
>
>


From hart.12 at osu.edu  Fri May  8 22:00:51 1998
From: hart.12 at osu.edu (Carol Hart)
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 16:00:51 -0600
Subject: Font help
In-Reply-To: <199805080157_MC2-3C51-F698@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.MAY.1998.160051.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Colleagues,

I will soon begin writing the text of my dissertation and I am trying to
resolve some formatting issues in advance. I will be citing numerous
examples from eighteenth-century dialogue books and I wish to represent the
texts as they were originally printed, i.e. with jat and variations of i,
with one and two dots (as in Modern Ukrainian). I would like to use a
cyrillic font with these characters that uses the English keyboard and not
a cyrillic keyboard because I believe that it will make the use of Styles
within Word 6.0 difficult, if not impossible. Does anyone have any
solutions/experience in such matters?

Thank you in advance for all responses. Please respond off-list to
hart.12 at osu.edu.

Carol Hart
Department of Slavic and East European Languages and LIteratures
Ohio State University


From rdelossa at fas.harvard.edu  Fri May  8 23:24:24 1998
From: rdelossa at fas.harvard.edu (Robert De Lossa)
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 18:24:24 -0500
Subject: Rossiia kievskaia/Rus'/Shameless Plugging/Slovo/Sachs
In-Reply-To: <199805081207.IAA17032@smtp4.fas.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.MAY.1998.182424.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>"Rossiia kievskaia"

???

Has someone encountered this term in Russian? The term I've seen is
"Kievskaia Rus'."

Although I am tempted to launch into a discussion of the terminological
discussion about "Rus'" and "russkii," I'll resist and put in a plug for a
booklet we published a while ago that has a very good discussion of the
terminological issues here and will also give those who haven't come across
it before, a sense of how "Ukrainian" historiography handles some of this.
(There are a variety of voices in Ukrainian historiography and national
mythologies haven't congealed as well as in Russia, thus the quotes...) The
booklet is entitled "From Kievan Rus' to Modern Ukraine" and contains
reprints of articles by Mykhailo Hrushevs'kyi and Omeljan Pritsak and John
Reshetar, Jr. E-mail me **off list** if you'd like a copy (I'll send it for
the cost of postage only as a service to the field). Our Institute has long
been working on these issues in the context of the Harvard Library of Early
Ukrainian Literature (the series title is a conscious attempt to get people
_thinking_ about the Early East Slavic period as not just "Old Russian"
literature). If you are interested in Old Rus' literature take a gander at
http://www.sabre.org/huri and go to the publications catalog for our
translation series in HLEUL. Each (hagiography, edificatory prose, sermons
and rhetoric) contains first-rate introductions to the period and problems
of language, literary criticism, historiography, etc. They are balanced and
I think those that care will find them useful and informative (testimonials
online welcomed).

Ok, plug over. In general, those interested in medieval East Slavic really
should be aware of the ways in which East Slavic attitudes toward the past
was shaped in the early-modern period (especially the Ruthenian influence
on late Muscovite historiography). It's been said before, but I'll repeat
that our conception of "russkii"--or even its use by contemporary speakers
through the ages--does not have a linear progression from the tenth century
to the almost-twenty-first. Care is warranted in use of the terminology,
not so much because of the sensitivites of modern ethnicities (although
kindness and concern are virtues we need more of), but because one _as a
scholar_ can easily misunderstand one's sources by _assuming_ linear
relationships backward from the present (or the nineteenth century or
whenever). I am not so naive as to think that any scholar operates without
prejudices, but a good scholar is aware of his/her prejudices and makes
them explicit so that others can more effectively judge the value of
his/her work and replicate his/her data (which is the essence of the
scientific method by which we, hopefully, operate).

For those that don't want to spring a buck for the booklet, note, in short:
"Rus'" can refer to Varangian (then Slavic) elite clans, various lands in
the middle ages, different lands in the late middle ages, part of the
Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, part of historical Hungary, part of what is
now Slovakia, part of what is now Ukraine, part of what is now the Russian
Federation. It refers to territory sometimes, various ethnoses at others,
sometimes the elite, sometimes the chern'. Modifiers used with the term
come and go, depending on time and place (Kievskaia rus'/Kyiivs'ka
rus'=Kievan Rus' for Russians and Ukrainians [and Kyivan Rus' for
progressive sympaticos], Czerwona Rus/Chervona Rus'=Galicia for Poles and
Ukrainians; Podkarpatskazrusz/Pidkarpats'ka Rus'/Podkarpatska or Uhorska
Rus=Subcarpathian Ruthenia for Hungarians, Ukrainians, Czechs and Slovaks;
etc., etc.) To top it all off, "Rossiia" was used by some early modern
Ukrainians and Belarusians to describe themselves within the
Commonwealth... Go figure.

Cheers to all, Rob De Lossa

Addendum: On Sachsiana and the Roswellization of Keenan's Slovo work. It is
astonishing to me that the discussion of the Slovo could have brought on
Jeffrey Sachs bashing (I suppose getting Pipes, too, gives extra credit).
But maybe I should not be so surprised. I would gently remind our colleague
of a few things: 1) SEELANGS, as last I saw, stands for Slavic and East
European LANGuageS. There are several good alt. groups for anti-Sachs
invective and lamentation on things economic in Russia and Ukraine. Most of
us here live by the word and its analysis, not the GDP or export-import
balances. Despite that observation, I will further note: 2) The Soviet
economy fell apart first, this is the primary reason the Russian and
Ukrainian economies are the way they are and, indeed, the major reason why
we now talk about a "Russian" and "Ukrainian" economy at all. All the FSU
countries inherited little rotten economies from the big rotten one and
merciless nomenklaturas and Soviet institutional criminality that easily
translated into regional criminality (cf. Roman Szporluk's prescient
comment long ago that the CPSU functioned like a big Cosa Nostra). Rumors
to the contrary, Sachs did not advise Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, et al., when
they created the institutions that made the USSR what it was and thereby
determined the history of that region to this day. 3) If one thinks that
the West (or any individual therein) is more responsible for the fate of
Russian (or Ukrainian or whatever FSU republic) citizens than the
indigenous political elites (including the elements of the nomenklatura
that remain, which is significant and determinative), the ROC and other
national churches, the other regional churches, the people themselves
(after all, most _are_ technically living in democracies now), the mafias,
etc., it is his or her choice, but I question it. Why is it that the Soviet
Union had great intellects that we respected and mighty warriors that we
feared before the _raspad_, but that afterward the successor states are
deemed not capable of being responsible for themselves or resisting the
depredations of the _zapadnye dollarovye sotni_? We Americans have not done
as good a job as we could have with post-independence Russia, certainly,
and there have been problems at HIID, the USAID, the IMF, and the World
Bank, but Russia, ultimately, is responsible for Russia (Ukraine for
Ukraine, etc.). Multi-nationals and our government are doing to them no
more than what they're doing to us (or would do, absent organized
resistance) at home. 4) I know Prof. Sachs and his work. He is a decent man
and has applied that decency to his work in other economies. I think
someone should finally say "enough's enough" with attributing every woe in
the FSU to Jeff Sachs. There, I've said it. 5) With regard to the implied
Keenan-Pipes-Sachs/Harvard conspiracy: Internal logic, man! Anyone who
thinks that two Harvard professors (let alone three) would agree on any
topic long enough to form a conspiracy...

Have a nice weekend.

____________________________________________________
Robert De Lossa
Director of Publications
Ukrainian Research Institute, Harvard University
1583 Massachusetts Ave., Cambridge, MA 02138
617-496-8768; fax. 617-495-8097
reply to: rdelossa at fas.harvard.edu
http://www.sabre.org/huri


From eurasian at globalserve.net  Sat May  9 00:47:01 1998
From: eurasian at globalserve.net (Middle EurAsian Books)
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 20:47:01 -0400
Subject: Rossiia kievskaia/Rus'/Shameless Plugging/Slovo/Sachs
Message-ID: <FRI.8.MAY.1998.204701.0400.EURASIAN@GLOBALSERVE.NET>

Dear Dr. De Lossa:

Could I request the brochure on the Ukrainian literature you mentioned in
your posting to the SEELangs?

Please, let me know how I could pay the postal expenses.

Here is my address:


Oleg Semikhnenko
Middle EurAsian Books
eurasian at globalserve.net
Box 67045, 3200 Erin Mills Pkwy
Mississauga, Ontario
CANADA  L5L 1W8
Tel. (1)-905-828-1014
Fax.(1)-905-828-7967


Thank you very much.

Yours Faithfully,

Oleg Semikhnenko
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert De Lossa <rdelossa at fas.harvard.edu>
To: SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU <SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Date: Friday, May 08, 1998 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: Rossiia kievskaia/Rus'/Shameless Plugging/Slovo/Sachs


>>"Rossiia kievskaia"
>
>???
>
>Has someone encountered this term in Russian? The term I've seen is
>"Kievskaia Rus'."
>
>Although I am tempted to launch into a discussion of the terminological
>discussion about "Rus'" and "russkii," I'll resist and put in a plug for a
>booklet we published a while ago that has a very good discussion of the
>terminological issues here and will also give those who haven't come across
>it before, a sense of how "Ukrainian" historiography handles some of this.
>(There are a variety of voices in Ukrainian historiography and national
>mythologies haven't congealed as well as in Russia, thus the quotes...) The
>booklet is entitled "From Kievan Rus' to Modern Ukraine" and contains
>reprints of articles by Mykhailo Hrushevs'kyi and Omeljan Pritsak and John
>Reshetar, Jr. E-mail me **off list** if you'd like a copy (I'll send it for
>the cost of postage only as a service to the field). Our Institute has long
>been working on these issues in the context of the Harvard Library of Early
>Ukrainian Literature (the series title is a conscious attempt to get people
>_thinking_ about the Early East Slavic period as not just "Old Russian"
>literature). If you are interested in Old Rus' literature take a gander at
>http://www.sabre.org/huri and go to the publications catalog for our
>translation series in HLEUL. Each (hagiography, edificatory prose, sermons
>and rhetoric) contains first-rate introductions to the period and problems
>of language, literary criticism, historiography, etc. They are balanced and
>I think those that care will find them useful and informative (testimonials
>online welcomed).
>
>Ok, plug over. In general, those interested in medieval East Slavic really
>should be aware of the ways in which East Slavic attitudes toward the past
>was shaped in the early-modern period (especially the Ruthenian influence
>on late Muscovite historiography). It's been said before, but I'll repeat
>that our conception of "russkii"--or even its use by contemporary speakers
>through the ages--does not have a linear progression from the tenth century
>to the almost-twenty-first. Care is warranted in use of the terminology,
>not so much because of the sensitivites of modern ethnicities (although
>kindness and concern are virtues we need more of), but because one _as a
>scholar_ can easily misunderstand one's sources by _assuming_ linear
>relationships backward from the present (or the nineteenth century or
>whenever). I am not so naive as to think that any scholar operates without
>prejudices, but a good scholar is aware of his/her prejudices and makes
>them explicit so that others can more effectively judge the value of
>his/her work and replicate his/her data (which is the essence of the
>scientific method by which we, hopefully, operate).
>
>For those that don't want to spring a buck for the booklet, note, in short:
>"Rus'" can refer to Varangian (then Slavic) elite clans, various lands in
>the middle ages, different lands in the late middle ages, part of the
>Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, part of historical Hungary, part of what is
>now Slovakia, part of what is now Ukraine, part of what is now the Russian
>Federation. It refers to territory sometimes, various ethnoses at others,
>sometimes the elite, sometimes the chern'. Modifiers used with the term
>come and go, depending on time and place (Kievskaia rus'/Kyiivs'ka
>rus'=Kievan Rus' for Russians and Ukrainians [and Kyivan Rus' for
>progressive sympaticos], Czerwona Rus/Chervona Rus'=Galicia for Poles and
>Ukrainians; Podkarpatskazrusz/Pidkarpats'ka Rus'/Podkarpatska or Uhorska
>Rus=Subcarpathian Ruthenia for Hungarians, Ukrainians, Czechs and Slovaks;
>etc., etc.) To top it all off, "Rossiia" was used by some early modern
>Ukrainians and Belarusians to describe themselves within the
>Commonwealth... Go figure.
>
>Cheers to all, Rob De Lossa
>
>Addendum: On Sachsiana and the Roswellization of Keenan's Slovo work. It is
>astonishing to me that the discussion of the Slovo could have brought on
>Jeffrey Sachs bashing (I suppose getting Pipes, too, gives extra credit).
>But maybe I should not be so surprised. I would gently remind our colleague
>of a few things: 1) SEELANGS, as last I saw, stands for Slavic and East
>European LANGuageS. There are several good alt. groups for anti-Sachs
>invective and lamentation on things economic in Russia and Ukraine. Most of
>us here live by the word and its analysis, not the GDP or export-import
>balances. Despite that observation, I will further note: 2) The Soviet
>economy fell apart first, this is the primary reason the Russian and
>Ukrainian economies are the way they are and, indeed, the major reason why
>we now talk about a "Russian" and "Ukrainian" economy at all. All the FSU
>countries inherited little rotten economies from the big rotten one and
>merciless nomenklaturas and Soviet institutional criminality that easily
>translated into regional criminality (cf. Roman Szporluk's prescient
>comment long ago that the CPSU functioned like a big Cosa Nostra). Rumors
>to the contrary, Sachs did not advise Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, et al., when
>they created the institutions that made the USSR what it was and thereby
>determined the history of that region to this day. 3) If one thinks that
>the West (or any individual therein) is more responsible for the fate of
>Russian (or Ukrainian or whatever FSU republic) citizens than the
>indigenous political elites (including the elements of the nomenklatura
>that remain, which is significant and determinative), the ROC and other
>national churches, the other regional churches, the people themselves
>(after all, most _are_ technically living in democracies now), the mafias,
>etc., it is his or her choice, but I question it. Why is it that the Soviet
>Union had great intellects that we respected and mighty warriors that we
>feared before the _raspad_, but that afterward the successor states are
>deemed not capable of being responsible for themselves or resisting the
>depredations of the _zapadnye dollarovye sotni_? We Americans have not done
>as good a job as we could have with post-independence Russia, certainly,
>and there have been problems at HIID, the USAID, the IMF, and the World
>Bank, but Russia, ultimately, is responsible for Russia (Ukraine for
>Ukraine, etc.). Multi-nationals and our government are doing to them no
>more than what they're doing to us (or would do, absent organized
>resistance) at home. 4) I know Prof. Sachs and his work. He is a decent man
>and has applied that decency to his work in other economies. I think
>someone should finally say "enough's enough" with attributing every woe in
>the FSU to Jeff Sachs. There, I've said it. 5) With regard to the implied
>Keenan-Pipes-Sachs/Harvard conspiracy: Internal logic, man! Anyone who
>thinks that two Harvard professors (let alone three) would agree on any
>topic long enough to form a conspiracy...
>
>Have a nice weekend.
>
>____________________________________________________
>Robert De Lossa
>Director of Publications
>Ukrainian Research Institute, Harvard University
>1583 Massachusetts Ave., Cambridge, MA 02138
>617-496-8768; fax. 617-495-8097
>reply to: rdelossa at fas.harvard.edu
>http://www.sabre.org/huri
>


From yamato at yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp  Sat May  9 01:01:40 1998
From: yamato at yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp (Yoshimasa Tsuji)
Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 10:01:40 +0900
Subject: help for Japanese-American student studying Russian
In-Reply-To: <01IWSNWI4PBM8WZ4N0@WELLESLEY.EDU> (JKALB@WELLESLEY.EDU)
Message-ID: <SAT.9.MAY.1998.100140.0900.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Though a non-American Japanese myself, my observation may be
of some help.
  Generally speaking, being a Japanese in Russia is a potential danger
in many ways.
  1. If poorly dressed, you will be taken for a Vietnamese or a Chinese
     and will be roughly treated everywhere.
  2. In provicial towns where Japan is little known (this often happens
     in national republics such as Marii El), you will be treated just
     like any other foreigners (schoolboys may beat you for fun, etc.)
  3. If you are superbly dressed, you will be inviting everyone to
     attack you in Russia. It is wrong to be dressed nicely without
     hiring bodyguards.
As for myself, I am poorly dressed (not with a design, but due to my
budget restraint), carry no valuables, and stay in known places.
     Good news is that Japanese girls are not known to be sexually
attacked in Russia.
     My personal impression is that Japanese are safer than Germans
because they tend to be regarded to be poorer, but are more often
victims due to their lack of cautiousness (showing off a computer,
living in a flat with a wooden door, being alone with suspicious
guys in a corridor, inviting criminal by not paying extra money to
a railway conductor, who would naturally inform someone for revenge
of a fact that in car number something sleeps a rich man,..) Of course
Japanese Americans are not that stupid, I am sure.

    It is nice to look having come from the West but not rich
enough to entice criminals. Just behave like another American student,
and you will be safe, I assure you. Moscow has become much safer now
compared with four years ago: Transcaucasians and Gypsies are fewer
(they are challenged and harrassed by police all too often); crimimals are
no longer interested in small money...

    My own experience is that life in Russia is much better than in
UK or US where hatred towards Orientals stands out.

Cheers,
Tsuji

P.S.
All of my remarks above are based on my personal experience including
hearsay from my compatriots, but not on any academic surveys. So
you need to understand with a pinch of salt.


From esampson at cu.campus.mci.net  Sat May  9 04:01:40 1998
From: esampson at cu.campus.mci.net (Earl Sampson)
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 21:01:40 -0700
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <FRI.8.MAY.1998.210140.0700.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

   As a rank amateur in these matters, I had not intended to participate in
the SLOVO debate, but since my name has been invoked -
on Thu, 7 May 1998 14:54:37 -0400, Peter Fischer wrote:
>as the
>current disputation about the authenticity of the Igor Tale has
>generated more and more commentary, the temptation to leap into the fray
>became too strong to resist.  Still, I held back for a while expecting
>my old friends and classmates in Roman Jakobson's Igor Tale seminar of
>1960/61, Bob Rothstein and Earl Sampson, to wade in ahead of me because
>a few months ago they had both reminisced here about that unforgettably
>idiosyncratic seminar, surely one of Jakobson's last and greatest
>classroom performances at Harvard...

- I feel something of an obligation (to the shade of Roman Jakobson?) to
weigh in on the side of the "authenticists."  For me the two decisive
arguments have always been the linguistic and the artisitic, i.e. the
unlikelihood that anyone in the late 18th century had either the linguistic
sophistication to recreate 12th century Russian, or the artistic genius to
create such a masterpiece (both these doubts have already been more
eloquently expressed by participants in the current debate). That said, I
must admit that Professor Keenan's outline of his arguments has *somewhat*
shaken my long-standing faith, originally inculcated by Jakobson, in the
Tale's authenticity. I look forward to the elaboration and documentation of
those arguments in his book, but for the time being I remain a believer.

   Since Peter ended his message on a personal note, I beg the indulgence
of the list to do the same - not with a dream, but a reminiscence: of the
one and only time I encountered Professor Keenan in person, when Peter
Fischer introduced me to him on the steps of Widener Library, and he was
eager to share his excitement over just having heard of the public attack
on Zimin, to which he alludes in his May 7 posting. For some reason, that
brief, unremarkable scene has remained carefully preserved in my memory, to
be recalled in the intervening years only infrequently, but nonetheless
clearly - but never more vividly than now, when its three participants have
met again, so to speak, in cyberspace.

Earl Sampson
Boulder, CO
esampson at cu.campus.mci.net


From jlrice38 at open.org  Sat May  9 04:13:06 1998
From: jlrice38 at open.org (James L. Rice)
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 21:13:06 -0700
Subject: Rossiia kievskaia/Rus'/Shameless Plugging/Slovo/Sachs
Message-ID: <FRI.8.MAY.1998.211306.0700.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear R. de L.,

Please send booklet, FROM KIEVAN RUS' TO MODERN UKRAINE.  I'll reimburse
as directed:

                J. Rice
                3615 Lachs Ct. S.
                Salem, OR 97302

Thanks,

Jim Rice
University of Oregon

At 06:24 PM 5/8/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>"Rossiia kievskaia"
>
>???
>
>Has someone encountered this term in Russian? The term I've seen is
>"Kievskaia Rus'."
>
>Although I am tempted to launch into a discussion of the terminological
>discussion about "Rus'" and "russkii," I'll resist and put in a plug for a
>booklet we published a while ago that has a very good discussion of the
>terminological issues here and will also give those who haven't come across
>it before, a sense of how "Ukrainian" historiography handles some of this.
>(There are a variety of voices in Ukrainian historiography and national
>mythologies haven't congealed as well as in Russia, thus the quotes...) The
>booklet is entitled "From Kievan Rus' to Modern Ukraine" and contains
>reprints of articles by Mykhailo Hrushevs'kyi and Omeljan Pritsak and John
>Reshetar, Jr. E-mail me **off list** if you'd like a copy (I'll send it for
>the cost of postage only as a service to the field). Our Institute has long
>been working on these issues in the context of the Harvard Library of Early
>Ukrainian Literature (the series title is a conscious attempt to get people
>_thinking_ about the Early East Slavic period as not just "Old Russian"
>literature). If you are interested in Old Rus' literature take a gander at
>http://www.sabre.org/huri and go to the publications catalog for our
>translation series in HLEUL. Each (hagiography, edificatory prose, sermons
>and rhetoric) contains first-rate introductions to the period and problems
>of language, literary criticism, historiography, etc. They are balanced and
>I think those that care will find them useful and informative (testimonials
>online welcomed).
>
>Ok, plug over. In general, those interested in medieval East Slavic really
>should be aware of the ways in which East Slavic attitudes toward the past
>was shaped in the early-modern period (especially the Ruthenian influence
>on late Muscovite historiography). It's been said before, but I'll repeat
>that our conception of "russkii"--or even its use by contemporary speakers
>through the ages--does not have a linear progression from the tenth century
>to the almost-twenty-first. Care is warranted in use of the terminology,
>not so much because of the sensitivites of modern ethnicities (although
>kindness and concern are virtues we need more of), but because one _as a
>scholar_ can easily misunderstand one's sources by _assuming_ linear
>relationships backward from the present (or the nineteenth century or
>whenever). I am not so naive as to think that any scholar operates without
>prejudices, but a good scholar is aware of his/her prejudices and makes
>them explicit so that others can more effectively judge the value of
>his/her work and replicate his/her data (which is the essence of the
>scientific method by which we, hopefully, operate).
>
>For those that don't want to spring a buck for the booklet, note, in short:
>"Rus'" can refer to Varangian (then Slavic) elite clans, various lands in
>the middle ages, different lands in the late middle ages, part of the
>Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, part of historical Hungary, part of what is
>now Slovakia, part of what is now Ukraine, part of what is now the Russian
>Federation. It refers to territory sometimes, various ethnoses at others,
>sometimes the elite, sometimes the chern'. Modifiers used with the term
>come and go, depending on time and place (Kievskaia rus'/Kyiivs'ka
>rus'=Kievan Rus' for Russians and Ukrainians [and Kyivan Rus' for
>progressive sympaticos], Czerwona Rus/Chervona Rus'=Galicia for Poles and
>Ukrainians; Podkarpatskazrusz/Pidkarpats'ka Rus'/Podkarpatska or Uhorska
>Rus=Subcarpathian Ruthenia for Hungarians, Ukrainians, Czechs and Slovaks;
>etc., etc.) To top it all off, "Rossiia" was used by some early modern
>Ukrainians and Belarusians to describe themselves within the
>Commonwealth... Go figure.
>
>Cheers to all, Rob De Lossa
>
>Addendum: On Sachsiana and the Roswellization of Keenan's Slovo work. It is
>astonishing to me that the discussion of the Slovo could have brought on
>Jeffrey Sachs bashing (I suppose getting Pipes, too, gives extra credit).
>But maybe I should not be so surprised. I would gently remind our colleague
>of a few things: 1) SEELANGS, as last I saw, stands for Slavic and East
>European LANGuageS. There are several good alt. groups for anti-Sachs
>invective and lamentation on things economic in Russia and Ukraine. Most of
>us here live by the word and its analysis, not the GDP or export-import
>balances. Despite that observation, I will further note: 2) The Soviet
>economy fell apart first, this is the primary reason the Russian and
>Ukrainian economies are the way they are and, indeed, the major reason why
>we now talk about a "Russian" and "Ukrainian" economy at all. All the FSU
>countries inherited little rotten economies from the big rotten one and
>merciless nomenklaturas and Soviet institutional criminality that easily
>translated into regional criminality (cf. Roman Szporluk's prescient
>comment long ago that the CPSU functioned like a big Cosa Nostra). Rumors
>to the contrary, Sachs did not advise Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, et al., when
>they created the institutions that made the USSR what it was and thereby
>determined the history of that region to this day. 3) If one thinks that
>the West (or any individual therein) is more responsible for the fate of
>Russian (or Ukrainian or whatever FSU republic) citizens than the
>indigenous political elites (including the elements of the nomenklatura
>that remain, which is significant and determinative), the ROC and other
>national churches, the other regional churches, the people themselves
>(after all, most _are_ technically living in democracies now), the mafias,
>etc., it is his or her choice, but I question it. Why is it that the Soviet
>Union had great intellects that we respected and mighty warriors that we
>feared before the _raspad_, but that afterward the successor states are
>deemed not capable of being responsible for themselves or resisting the
>depredations of the _zapadnye dollarovye sotni_? We Americans have not done
>as good a job as we could have with post-independence Russia, certainly,
>and there have been problems at HIID, the USAID, the IMF, and the World
>Bank, but Russia, ultimately, is responsible for Russia (Ukraine for
>Ukraine, etc.). Multi-nationals and our government are doing to them no
>more than what they're doing to us (or would do, absent organized
>resistance) at home. 4) I know Prof. Sachs and his work. He is a decent man
>and has applied that decency to his work in other economies. I think
>someone should finally say "enough's enough" with attributing every woe in
>the FSU to Jeff Sachs. There, I've said it. 5) With regard to the implied
>Keenan-Pipes-Sachs/Harvard conspiracy: Internal logic, man! Anyone who
>thinks that two Harvard professors (let alone three) would agree on any
>topic long enough to form a conspiracy...
>
>Have a nice weekend.
>
>____________________________________________________
>Robert De Lossa
>Director of Publications
>Ukrainian Research Institute, Harvard University
>1583 Massachusetts Ave., Cambridge, MA 02138
>617-496-8768; fax. 617-495-8097
>reply to: rdelossa at fas.harvard.edu
>http://www.sabre.org/huri
>
>


From u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de  Sat May  9 08:25:43 1998
From: u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de (Markus Osterrieder)
Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 10:25:43 +0200
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve, Rus'/Rossija
Message-ID: <SAT.9.MAY.1998.102543.0200.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

We should never forget that the conscious and unconscious mind of
medieval man was so different from ours. Can we accept that rusalki, all
kind of natural spirits, spectres, the deceased, were as "natural" as the
terms "nation", "state" itd for us moderns? They were daily experience.
There is the famous example of the 13th century peasant village
Montaillou in the County of Foix (Occitania, Southern "France") where you
had a special person who had to regulate the communication between the
recently deceased and their relatives. He was not a priest (the village
being under cathar influence anyway).

It is nothing but the mythology of modern historiography in the service
of patrotism/nationalism to describe identity and political reign of
medieval man in terms of "state" (there *is* a very concise background of
the original Italian term "lo stato" and the French "l'etat") and
"nation". Even languages are always apt to confusion. Just think what is
in the Slavic term "naROD". The same for the German "Volk". And the
"people", "le peuple", "populus", the "plebs"?

Who lived in Rus'? You had many different tribes. Slavic ones, Baltic,
Finno-Ugrian, Germanic (Scandinavian), Turk, Iranian tribes, Jews,
Armenian and so on. There was a Ruling Dynasty, an arising common written
language in various idioms, and the Church. The whole identity with
rus'kaja or rus'skaja zemlja was based on the Dynasty and Pravoslavie.
There were massive transplantations of settlers from different tribes all
over the history of pre-mongolian Rus'. Until the 19th century, the
notion of "tutajshi" was a very common one among the *peasants* (not the
elite) when they had to describe the "national" identity.

Historiography in this question is still stuck in this 19th century
concept of "national history", and this is a "fable convenue". Only
compare this with the mythology of "French history", "la nation
francaise", for example. It commonly starts with Charlemagne which is
complete nonsense. "La France" was but "la couronne" for a long time, and
even then, "l'ile de France" was reduced to very restricted parts of
today's Northern France. Even worse is "German History"! There is this
endless debate going on how to call the whole thing: History of the
Germans, the German-speaking lands, of "Germany"? In reality, it is
always an artificial construct up to a certain point in time (and even
then it happens more in the mind of the historian). Is there a Germany
today? Well, there is one German state, but this doesn't say much about
the minds of its inhabitants...

It is an important task for researchers to examine conscientiously the
use and the transported meaning of terms like "Rus'", "rus'kyj",
"russkij", "Rossija", "rossijskij", "Rossijane" in every period of time
and in every region *without* any pre-fixed concept, any "nationalistic"
purpose (like "nationbuilding") or political ideology. And the results
should NEVER serve ideological goal.

I remember a conference about Nationalism in East Central Europe, when a
British historian told his colleagues in German language that patriotism
was nothing but a disguised attempt at achieving personal, egoistic
advantages. A Polish colleague got so furious that he nearly jumped over
the table... Even for researchers it is not easy to find a common
language.

For those who read German, I worked on this question in two papers:
*Von der Sakralgemeinschaft zur modernen Nation. Die Entstehung eines
Nationalbewusstseins unter Russen, Ukrainern, Weissruthenen im Lichte der
Thesen Benedict Andersons. In: Formen des nationalen Bewusstseins im
Lichte zeitgenössischer Nationalismustheorien. Ed. Eva Schmidt-Hartmann.
Muenchen: Oldenburg 1994, S. 197-232.
*Das Ringen um die Vergangenheit. Mychajlo Hrushevs¹kyj und die
Problematik einer Konzeption der osteuropaeischen Geschichte. Muenchen
1998 (= Osteuropa-Institut Muenchen. Mitteilungen Nr. 30, 1998) (in
print).


Markus Osterrieder


On 08.05.1998 21:53 Uhr ipustino at syr.edu wrote:

>Before the 14th century there was one nation, that later divided into
>Russians, Ukrainians, Belorussians and one language- Old Slavic. So there is
>nothing offensive for Ukrainians  that the State was Kiev Rus', as there was
>a tribe of Rus' who lived at that territory.
>
>Irena Ustinova
>
>
>and oAt 09:43 AM 5/8/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>Daniel Rancour-Laferriere wrote:
>>
>>>7 May 1998
>>>
>>>Colleagues:
>>>
>>>Edward L. Keenan has just driven another one of his golden nails into the
>>>coffin of Russian nationalist scholarship.  Not only is the Igor tale not
>>>part of "Russian" literature, it is not even a part of "Rusian" (Lunt)
>>>literature.
>>>
>>>Another way to look at this is to observe that there is one less reason for
>>>conflating things Rusian with things Russian, because there is one less
>>>Rusian cultural object for Russian culture to claim for itself.
>>>
>>>And this is good for Ukrainians, who are naturally offended by expressions
>>>such as "Kievan Russia" ("Rossiia kievskaia" - Berdiaev) in reference to
>>>Rus' before Russia existed.
>>>
>>>Let's just adopt Horace Lunt's term "Rusian" and stop offending the other
>>>East Slavs.
>>
>>This is not just policing "which works belong to which literary traditions"
>>as J. Douglas Clayton wrote, but ideological control of language and
>>linguistics. By the same token, Portugese should hate Spaniards for common
>>cultural history, and French should have it in for Italians for the common
>>Latin literature and language, and we should all hate each other for having
>>shared the common Indo-European language. And we should certainly support
>>the Greeks in their claim to the word Macedonian.
>>
>>Alina Israeli
>>
>>


************************************

Markus Osterrieder, M.A.

Osteuropa-Institut
Historische Abteilung
Munich, Germany

eMail: u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de


From Mourka1 at aol.com  Sat May  9 19:32:45 1998
From: Mourka1 at aol.com (Mourka1)
Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 15:32:45 EDT
Subject: "Mourka"
Message-ID: <SAT.9.MAY.1998.153245.EDT.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Zdravstvuyte Sobesedniki,  Greetings Seelangers!

I have learned last week that my show "Mourka" has been chosen to be part of a
theatre festival in New York City, in August.  I would like those people who
would like to come see the show in New York, to please Email your mailing
addresses to me so that I can add them to my mailing list.  I will then send
you a flyer by regular mail in July giving a detailed description of where and
when "Mourka" will be staged.  I am very excited about this prospect as it is
a culmination of about five years of work.

If you missed my initial letter to SEELANGS, the show "Mourka" is a one-woman
autobiographical play using my Russian aristocratic background as a backdrop
to a young woman growing up in the fast lane in New York in the late 60's,
early 70's. It is laced with choreography,  black culture,  various adventures
and universal men, women, artists, emigre conflicts.  It is a multi-media
production utilizing a huge screen onto which are projected archival and
personal photographs which interlace the narrative throughout the play.  The
music ranges from live and taped Russian gypsy songs and romances sung by me
to Aretha Franklin to the Russian Orthodox Liturgy.

In addition, I am selling my audio cassette of Russian Gypsy songs and
romances.   Some of the songs I sing in my show.  If you are interested,
please send me $10.00 + $2.50 for mailing and I will promptly send a cassette
out to you.  Thank you.

Privet,

Margarita Meyendorff (Mourka)


From solomons at slt.lk  Sat May  9 21:56:40 1998
From: solomons at slt.lk (Wendell W. Solomons)
Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 03:56:40 +0600
Subject: Cleansing and Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <SUN.10.MAY.1998.035640.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Greetings Friends!

The list has quietened down.  I am as relieved as
you are that good sense has prevailed and the hunt
called off.

There has been only one somewhat polemicized rebuttal
addressed to me.

That I discuss below.

Best wishes,

:------------------:
wendell w solomons
management research
:------------------:

>>From Robert De Lossa
Director of Publications
Ukrainian Research Institute, Harvard University

On Sachsiana and the Roswellization of Keenan's Slovo work. It is
astonishing to me that the discussion of the Slovo could have brought on
Jeffrey Sachs bashing (I suppose getting Pipes, too, gives extra credit).

=-=-=-=

solomons @ slt.lk responds: It is historian Keenan who promotes his work
as a cleanser of the alien in Russia. If you notice, he brings cleansing
attention to bear on ONE nation though the Legend is treasured not only
from Vladivostok to Moscow but right through to former Yugoslav cities
on the Adriatic. Keenan has thus exhibited a cleansing focus. He has himself
ascribed specific political margins which are the very ones which Richard
Pipes and Jeffrey Sachs have concentrated on among the Slav peoples. I am
discussing nothing other than Keenan's own focus as below:

>Russian culture and national self-esteem can easily survive --
>and in my view will benefit from -- the removal of this alien
>organism, which has become a malignant impediment to self-
>examination and historical understanding.

---------------------------------------

But maybe I should not be so surprised. I would gently remind our colleague
of a few things: 1) SEELANGS, as last I saw, stands for Slavic and East
European LANGuageS. There are several good alt. groups for anti-Sachs
invective and lamentation on things economic in Russia and Ukraine.

=-=-=-=

Is it the same cleansing formula that Sachs' colleague Robert De Lossa
now uses? Robert De Lossa comes forward to "defend" the purity of the
list. My word! These are great cleansers.

Perhaps these are elite dreamers who take themselves to be vaccuum cleaners,
Hoovers, for lesser mortals? A vacuum cleaner also blows out air and I suppose
this creates wind under the wing to hoist an elite flight in the clouds. Perhaps
that's why they say, "v raj na chuzhom grobu."

Besides that I quite intend a pun on Hoover. With a mindset that had him wear
female clothes and enter women's washrooms, FBI chief Hoover also liked
winning horse races.

He would supplement his income by putting mobsters out to dope the other
horses on the day before he went went on official duty to inspect the purity
of the races (you will find this in Herbert Hoover documentation at a NY site
on the WWW.) Hoover seems to have had connections to the Mob.

Milton Friedman was economic advisor (before Reagan inherited him) to the
previous Presidential hopeful Barry Goldwater but reporters blew Goldwater's
cover when it was discovered that this vacuum cleaner (the Goldwater label
had a white Supremacist hum) was a frequent guest of mobster Gus Greenbaum's
at Las Vegas' "Flamingo Hotel." We must be careful about cleansers. Friedman
rolled out his vacuum cleaner ostensibly to clean up government expenditure
but Readan was never good at that with him. Reagan wanted to even spend more
on "Star Wars."

After being dropped by movies and Jane Wyman, Reagan happened to personally
hit the hot money trail in Las Vegas after compering 'variete' around 1954.
At that point he met up with business and industry in the shape of a
spokesman's job for GEC. The new WW2 defense industry of the US Southern
rim took Reagan next door to governership in California in 1966 and thence
onwards to "Star Wars." It was from a southern platform that the kid born
above a Illinois store sold the Northern liberals down the river. That was
one secret under the belt of the folksy, Great Communicator. Once having
vowed he had voted four times for FDR, Reagan had imbibed the Northern
liberal idiom and vocabulary when cubbing as a Democrat. Then Reagan crossed
over and went on to puff neoliberalism down our noses, a medicine then called
Voodoo Economics.

---------------------------------------

Most of us here live by the word and its analysis, not the GDP or
export-import balances.
=-=-=-=
Just notice below that De Lossa gives economist Sachs a green light.
We will take that up subsequently.

So ... Robert De Lossa's particular Hoover requires that everything distinct
from his 'word' be put on alt. groups?

Where are we? Is it a matter of De Lossa's "doxy" being orthodoxy and
another's "doxy" being heterodoxy? My! Why demonize others like this and
throw them into outer darkness?

Is "living by the word" something esoteric or elite? We know "word" is
related to Skt. "arta." This was established before the common era. The
huge "Artha/sastra" of Chandragupta Maura of 300 BC deals with
propaganda, ministers, revenues, the whole gamut of statecraft. It is
almost as large a concept as "word" in Logos of John 1:1.

What if we cleanse worth, legality,  sociology, philosophy, religion,
music, poetry, from language, from word analysis? Where would this land
fellow professionals? Could anyone practice what he preaches?

---------------------------------------

Despite that observation, I will further note: 2) The Soviet
economy fell apart first, this is the primary reason the Russian and
Ukrainian economies are the way they are and, indeed, the major reason why
we now talk about a "Russian" and "Ukrainian" economy at all. All the FSU
countries inherited little rotten economies from the big rotten one and
merciless nomenklaturas and Soviet institutional criminality that easily
translated into regional criminality (cf. Roman Szporluk's prescient
comment long ago that the CPSU functioned like a big Cosa Nostra).
=-=-=-=
Commonsense was applied in the GDR. Its nomenklatura head Eric Honecker
was himself on trial. In the case of Sachs', we are dealing with sour-
grapes apologetics because Sachs had drafted himself of his own free will.
To express this in another way, it is the bad carpenter who blames his tools.

Moscow now has at least 30 criminal gangs developed during the last 6 years
through the anarchist privatization. I have to mention again that I contacted
Sachs' associate, the IBRD's Lawrence Summers in 1993 and warned him of the
consequences. I sent repeated short faxes after that. It is in the same spirit
that I speak up now on Keenan's cleanup of Russia in the Legend affair. I
speak to save myself and 6 billion people a clean-up bill for hasty antics
and charlatanry.

To read the Anne Willamson report shows that we may be dealing with criminal
negligence in the application of U.S.AID money. If elitist whitewash is not
the case, why haven't Sachs peers submited this case to the legal branch and
maintained the prestige of Harvard itself? Perhaps the prestige of Harvard
as an institution isn't the real issue?

Having had $250 million to spend, one gathers that Jeffery Sachs could afford
a little support.

---------------------------------------

Rumors to the contrary, Sachs did not advise Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, et al.,
when they created the institutions that made the USSR what it was and thereby
determined the history of that region to this day.
=-=-=-=
MAY DAY ... Why should we let down universities like this?

Would someone please take the pressure off me and post details in case
there are more people who don't know this event? I can't go beyond this
small comment. Solzhenitsyn researched and wrote a whole book on the
Zurich events.

Marxists were proscribed in Germany but the German ambassador was meeting
Lenin in Zurich. A letter from State Secretary Kuhlman shows he was
ostensibly financing "Iskra", Lenin's newspaper. From Switzerland Lenin
was sped by train across the territory of Germany to St. Petersburg. The
German State Secretary had assets right in the city. First, through foreign
trade operations the German side had built up massive counterpart funds in
St. Petersburg. Second, Germany's Princess Anna of Hesse was known by the
German embassy to have uncanny influence on her husband, ruler Nicholas II.
The State Secretary was confident that he had words from the horse's mouth
itself.

Still, for this contract of underming Nicholas II, Kuhlman had chosen the
wrong man (Sachs made the same blunder when choosing his 1993 team and they
had a noisy falling out some portion of that documented by Janine Wedel of
George Washington U.)

Lenin had previously been in business by using telegraph to inform brigands
who held up and robbed cash trains in the Caucuses with the loss of hundreds
of lives. Lenin was to resist Kuhlman's agenda and bring in Stalin from Tiflis
to trample on intellectuals. That affected the position of liberals and
spread the doctrine of Germany's Karl Marx among Slav nations. Such blunders
can have devastating effects.

---------------------------------------

Why is it that the Soviet Union had great intellects that we respected
and mighty warriors that we feared before the _raspad_, but that afterward
the successor states are deemed not capable of being responsible for
themselves or resisting the depredations of the _zapadnye dollarovye sotni_?
=-=-=-=
There is cause and effect at work here.

I have mentioned that Kofi Annan (Ghana) and Jayantha Dhanapala (Sri Lanka)
helped prevent new loss of life on the part of US/UK and Iraq. This compares
with the devastation done by Jeffrey Sachs on $ 250 billion of the U.S.
taxpayers' money. More than by definition, Russians were born in a centrally-
planned economy and were innocent of market economics. It was like taking
candy from a baby. In saving lives and resources, could the Ghanian and the
Sri Lankan have cared for humans and for American tax-payer MORE than
Jeffery Sachs?

---------------------------------------

4) I know Prof. Sachs and his work. He is a decent man and has applied that
decency to his work in other economies. I think someone should finally
say "enough's enough" with attributing every woe in the FSU to Jeff
Sachs. There, I've said it.
=-=-=-=
More than a mouthful indeed. Does Robert De Lossa professes enough
economics to give us an opinion on Sachs? Why does De Lossa then taboo
reinforcement of language study with economic, sociological, philosophical
knowledge to others?

As you can see De Lossa has proceeded deep into an attempt to whitewash
Sachs. I had simply asked about where Russian cleanser Keenan and his
fellow Slavopile cleansers had been when Prof.Sachs was getting his bags
ready for his intrusion into Russian society and culture.  The discussion
on economics and Russian civilization had to happen not post factum. Slavic
lights had to blow the whistle on time. I have remarked, "Jaitso khorosho
k kristovy dnju." Then their credentials would not stand to be debunked.

---------------------------------------

5) With regard to the implied Keenan-Pipes-Sachs/Harvard conspiracy:
Internal logic, man! Anyone who thinks that two Harvard professors (let
alone three) would agree on any topic long enough to form a conspiracy...
=-=-=-=
In the Jones family, the kids Tom, Al, Dick may be of different heights.
Yet they could all be in the same Jones family. The specific (Tom, Al, Dick)
and the general (Jones family) exist together in life. The existence of the
specific (Tom) does not negate the general (the Jones family.) Why this
pulling of an ace from one's cuff using a fallacy classically described
in semantics?

There is also an attempt to create a straw man (for burning,) to attribute
a "conspiracy" theory to me. If the "conspiracy" cap suits Robert De Lossa,
he might put it to just test.

If he is inclined to take up that position, let me say that when strong
objections are raised in circumstances where large tax payers' funds are
involved, responsible men and officials prefer to submit to judicial or
administrative investigation, conspiracies of men that may have defrauded
the tax payer or provided defective goods and services on a government
contract.

Pipes' Red Indian reservation theory for the peoples of the former USSR
is so flimsy that I shan't comment upon it. With company like that of
Pipes, who needs enemies? See the Chernobyl report below.

It is the internal logic, the consistency, that interested me at this
stage -- what the Slavic lights in the neighborhood were doing when Sachs
proposed the grafting of a foreign anarchist dogma by beaming it nightly
into every home on the central channels of Russian TV. That audience hardly
knew the sort of programming that PR firm Buston-Marstellar used, the same
firm that was used to cover up the Valdez oil-slick disaster for U.S.
audiences. Sachs had agreed to co-opting B-M which had covered up for
the silicone breast implants with which DOW have maimed hundreds of
American women. The women's group has a WWW site.

My doxy had been to ask how consistent these learned men are in their
claims of clean workmanship. The main thing Robert De Lossa has had on
offer is an attempt to get wind under his wings by using a clean-up
device of his own. His response has laid simple fallacies of reasoning
and semantics on the table and thereby evade the questions I raised.

The reflexes of conditioning he demonstrates adds little prestige to
his institution, the Ukrainian Research Institute at Harvard. It is
perhaps similar conditioning that earned the Jeffery Sachs privatization
in Russia the chapter title "Crime of the Century" in Anne Williamson's
investigative book.

-------------------------------------

Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998
From: Anne Williamson
Subject: Crime of the Century

In the current exchange on JRL regarding crime, I am compelled to
join Michelle Berdy and Jonas Bernstein in support of Peter Reddaway's
remarks concerning Anders Aslund's nefarious contentions which The Weekly
Standard surprisingly saw fit to publish.

The following material is one chapter from my just-completed book, How
America Built the New Russian Oligarchy.  My effort follows privatization
and the development of the securities market and the financial industry
generally while examining the West's assistance efforts via USAID (Harvard
University), the IMF and the World Bank.  "Crime" is inadequate as a word
and even as a concept to describe what these people perpetrated and continue
to perpetrate in Russia.

The principal criminal debacles from which all others flowed are Jeffery
Sachs's and Yegor Gaidar's shock therapy and voucher privatization.  The
preceding chapter, "Foreign Manners", deals with Sachs's and Aslund's 1992
macroeconomic "reforms" and the attached chapter is the one that deals with
voucher privatization as executed by Harvard's minions.  Later chapters
detail Shares-for-Loans and other scams, swindles and robberies in which
Harvard Management, which invests the university's endowment, and the
billionaire speculator philanthropist moralist George Soros loom large as
beneficiaries.

However, it is the crime of voucher privatization that needs to be
understood in its specifics before anyone can possibly understand the
totality of what the US did in Russia.

More at  <http://www.bookagency.com/oligarchy.html>

----------------------

Ukraine's Chernobyl to restart May 18

KIEV, May 8 (Reuters) - The third reactor at Ukraine's stricken Chernobyl
nuclear power plant will be restarted on May 18, the plant's new director
said on Friday.
   ``We plan to start up on May 18,'' Vitaly Tovstonohov, appointed director
of the plant earlier this week, told Reuters by telephone from Chernobyl,
located about 150 km (100 miles) north of the capital Kiev.
   The third reactor, the only one still operating at the plant, was shut
down last year after cracks were found in the cooling system's pipes.
   Ukraine had planned to re-activate the reactor on May 5. But the
government delayed the start saying it had been asked to do so by the
European Bank for Reconstruction and Development (EBRD) to avoid panic
at the bank's annual general meeting in the Ukrainian capital this weekend.
   ``We could start it earlier, we are ready to do so but we have to delay
it (until end of EBRD meeting),'' Tovstonohov said.
   Chernobyl's fourth reactor exploded in 1986, throwing up a radioactive
cloud which contaminated large parts of Ukraine, Belarus, Russia and other
parts of Europe.
   Ukraine has promised Western donors, including the Group of Seven (G7)
rich industrial nations, that it will close down Chernobyl by 2000.
   But Ukraine and donor countries have been haggling over hundreds of
millions of dollars the former Soviet republic says it needs to close down
the plant and repair a leaking steel and concrete structure covering the
highly radioactive fourth reactor.
   Ukraine is also demanding $1.2 billion to complete two new nuclear
reactors in the west of the country.

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From BarDan at compuserve.com  Sun May 10 03:58:14 1998
From: BarDan at compuserve.com (Milman/Rancour-Laferriere)
Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 23:58:14 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve, Rus'/Rossija
Message-ID: <SAT.9.MAY.1998.235814.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

9 May 98

Colleagues,
I am enjoying the interventions of Markus Osterrieder, and I look forward
to pulling out my German dictionary and reading the articles he mentions.

In the meantime, I note his suggestion that there was great tribal
diversity in Rus' (or in various areas of Rus' in its various temporal
incarnations).  In addition, there was great educational and political
diversity.  Perhaps the only people we should be calling Rusians were the
various East Slavic elites who thought of themselves as Rusians.  Most
occupants of the territory/territories in question did not "know" they were
Rusians.  Indeed, I am not sure even the elite knew, for I see no evidence
that "rus'skii" was an ethnonym.  The widespread term "rus'skaia zemlia"
does not seem to have been ethnonymic, but more dynastic or even cultish.

Similarly, most occupants of Russia did not "know" they were Russians until
late nineteenth-early twentiethth centuries.  Instead, as Valerii Tishkov
(following the lead of Gellner, Anderson) points out, they called
themselves "locals," "Pskovians," "Dukhobors," "Pravoslavnye," etc. 
National identity among the masses is a remarkably recent development.  And
again, even among the elite national consciousness was slow in coming.  Can
anyone provide an example of "russkii" used as an ethnonym before the
eighteenth century (as in the standard ethnographic term "russkie," not as
an ordinary adjective)?  I find Avvakum calling Aleksei Mikhailovich a
"rusak" in the seventeenth century, but this is unusual.

If the foregoing is true, then it is certainly an anachronism to be
speaking of "Kievan Russia" / "Rossiia kievskaia," as many have ever since
Karamzin (and this apart from the fact that the term offends some
Ukrainians).  "Russia" / "Rossiia" came in late, probably from Latin via
Polish.  The term came to be attached to the expanding Muscovite empire. 
Rus' was earlier, and Rusians were not Russians because Russians did not
exist yet.  The term "russkie" contains an etymological memory of Rus', but
that does not suffice to synonymize Rusians with Russians.  As Keenan has
observed, there is practically no evidence that participants in the initial
Muscovite expansion of the late fifteenth-sixteenth centuries  which led to
the formation of "Rossiia" even thought they were restoring the legacy of
Kievan Rus'.  That particular reclamation project, which continues to this
day in some quarters, did not get under way until the middle of the
seventeenth century, around the time Muscovy was expanding into Kievan
territory.  One purpose of that project has been to deny legitimacy to any
potential heirs besides Russia to the "post-Kiev space" (Roman Szporluk),
and to ensure that "Ukraine has no independent historical existence" (Paul
Robert Magocsi).

To return to the Igor tale.  I think I will continue to teach it in my
"Russian Culture" course because it has so much to offer as a literary gem,
and now because it has even more to offer than it did before in terms of
ethnohistorical debate.  Certainly I do not want to "police" what tradition
the work should be attached to, and I'm sorry if I conveyed that
impression.  I actually don't mind if my colleagues in the English
department teach Tolstoy, and I even edited a book recently by mostly
English professors, a couple of whose articles were on Dostoevsky. 
However, I will continue to point out that those Russians who foster a
"myth" that "appropriates" the Igor tale (to use Douglas Clayton's terms)
are best characterized as Russian nationalists (and of course Ukrainians
who do are Ukrainian nationalists).  And I will continue to insist, with
Lunt, that Rusians were not Russians.

Cheers,

Daniel Rancour-Laferriere
Professor, Director of Russian
University of California, Davis
BarDan at compuserve.com

PS. - I don't have a damned thing to say about Jeffrey Sachs.


From akrill at shiva.hunter.cuny.edu  Sun May 10 14:38:37 1998
From: akrill at shiva.hunter.cuny.edu (Hanya Krill)
Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 10:38:37 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve, Rus'/Rossija
In-Reply-To: <199805092358_MC2-3C7D-2C05@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <SUN.10.MAY.1998.103837.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

At 11:58 PM 5/9/98 -0400, Milman/Rancour-Laferriere wrote:
>9 May 98
>
>Colleagues,
>I am enjoying the interventions of Markus Osterrieder, and I look forward
>to pulling out my German dictionary and reading the articles he mentions.
>
>In the meantime, I note his suggestion that there was great tribal
>diversity in Rus' (or in various areas of Rus' in its various temporal
>incarnations).  In addition, there was great educational and political
>diversity.  Perhaps the only people we should be calling Rusians were the
>various East Slavic elites who thought of themselves as Rusians.  Most
>occupants of the territory/territories in question did not "know" they were
>Rusians.  Indeed, I am not sure even the elite knew, for I see no evidence
>that "rus'skii" was an ethnonym.  The widespread term "rus'skaia zemlia"
>does not seem to have been ethnonymic, but more dynastic or even cultish.
>
>Similarly, most occupants of Russia did not "know" they were Russians until
>late nineteenth-early twentiethth centuries.  Instead, as Valerii Tishkov
>(following the lead of Gellner, Anderson) points out, they called
>themselves "locals," "Pskovians," "Dukhobors," "Pravoslavnye," etc.
>National identity among the masses is a remarkably recent development.  And
>again, even among the elite national consciousness was slow in coming.  Can
>anyone provide an example of "russkii" used as an ethnonym before the
>eighteenth century (as in the standard ethnographic term "russkie," not as
>an ordinary adjective)?  I find Avvakum calling Aleksei Mikhailovich a
>"rusak" in the seventeenth century, but this is unusual.
>
>If the foregoing is true, then it is certainly an anachronism to be
>speaking of "Kievan Russia" / "Rossiia kievskaia," as many have ever since
>Karamzin (and this apart from the fact that the term offends some
>Ukrainians).  "Russia" / "Rossiia" came in late, probably from Latin via
>Polish.  The term came to be attached to the expanding Muscovite empire.
>Rus' was earlier, and Rusians were not Russians because Russians did not
>exist yet.  The term "russkie" contains an etymological memory of Rus', but
>that does not suffice to synonymize Rusians with Russians.  As Keenan has
>observed, there is practically no evidence that participants in the initial
>Muscovite expansion of the late fifteenth-sixteenth centuries  which led to
>the formation of "Rossiia" even thought they were restoring the legacy of
>Kievan Rus'.  That particular reclamation project, which continues to this
>day in some quarters, did not get under way until the middle of the
>seventeenth century, around the time Muscovy was expanding into Kievan
>territory.  One purpose of that project has been to deny legitimacy to any
>potential heirs besides Russia to the "post-Kiev space" (Roman Szporluk),
>and to ensure that "Ukraine has no independent historical existence" (Paul
>Robert Magocsi).
>
>To return to the Igor tale.  I think I will continue to teach it in my
>"Russian Culture" course because it has so much to offer as a literary gem,
>and now because it has even more to offer than it did before in terms of
>ethnohistorical debate.  Certainly I do not want to "police" what tradition
>the work should be attached to, and I'm sorry if I conveyed that
>impression.  I actually don't mind if my colleagues in the English
>department teach Tolstoy, and I even edited a book recently by mostly
>English professors, a couple of whose articles were on Dostoevsky.
>However, I will continue to point out that those Russians who foster a
>"myth" that "appropriates" the Igor tale (to use Douglas Clayton's terms)
>are best characterized as Russian nationalists (and of course Ukrainians
>who do are Ukrainian nationalists).  And I will continue to insist, with
>Lunt, that Rusians were not Russians.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Daniel Rancour-Laferriere
>Professor, Director of Russian
>University of California, Davis
>BarDan at compuserve.com
>
>PS. - I don't have a damned thing to say about Jeffrey Sachs.
>
>


From akrill at shiva.hunter.cuny.edu  Sun May 10 14:42:20 1998
From: akrill at shiva.hunter.cuny.edu (Hanya Krill)
Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 10:42:20 -0400
Subject: Burp
Message-ID: <SUN.10.MAY.1998.104220.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

My apologies for the waste of bandwidth.  My Eudora burped on
Professor Rancour-Laferriere's post.

On the other hand, maybe it bore repeating.

Hanya Krill
akrill at hunter.cuny.edu


From JKALB at WELLESLEY.EDU  Sun May 10 21:10:42 1998
From: JKALB at WELLESLEY.EDU (Judith E. Kalb)
Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 17:10:42 -0400
Subject: help for Japanese-American student studying Russian
Message-ID: <SUN.10.MAY.1998.171042.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

A HUGE thank you to all of you who have so kindly responded to my request
for help.  My student and I appreciate it enormously.
Best wishes,
Judith Kalb

Dr. Judith E. Kalb
Department of Russian
Wellesley College
Wellesley, MA 02181
jkalb at wellesley.edu


From margadon at quicklink.com  Thu May  7 14:46:00 1998
From: margadon at quicklink.com (A & Y)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 10:46:00 -0400
Subject: academic journals
Message-ID: <THU.7.MAY.1998.104600.0400.MARGADON@QUICKLINK.COM>

Dear SEELANGers,

what are some of the academic journals currently published in the field of
Slavic & E. European Languages & Literatures?  In other words, where can one
locate recent research, book reviews, etc.? Do any of these accept
submissions from undergraduates?

Any information, i.e. contact address, internet location (if any), and so
forth, would be much appreciated.

thank you!

Yelena Kachuro
Fordham University


From mllemily at acsu.buffalo.edu  Sun May 10 22:23:57 1998
From: mllemily at acsu.buffalo.edu (Emily Tall)
Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 18:23:57 -0400
Subject: enrollment increases
Message-ID: <SUN.10.MAY.1998.182357.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Has anyone had any increases in first-year enrollment over the last year
or two? Also, what is your usual rate of attrition between first- and
second-semester Russian language classes? And have you succeeded in
lowering that rate and retaining more students between first and second
semester? I am writing a report for my
chair and dean and would really like to be able to say that some schools
have had increases. I don't need exact figures, just more or less, and as
soon as possible. Thanks a lot! Emily Tall SUNY/Buffalo


From yamato at yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp  Sun May 10 22:29:48 1998
From: yamato at yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp (Yoshimasa Tsuji)
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 07:29:48 +0900
Subject: help for Japanese-American student studying Russian
Message-ID: <MON.11.MAY.1998.072948.0900.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Hello Judith,
You are welcome.
Tsuji


From wolf at umich.edu  Sun May 10 22:29:23 1998
From: wolf at umich.edu (Erika Wolf)
Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 18:29:23 -0400
Subject: Research Advice: Sergei Tret'iakov
Message-ID: <SUN.10.MAY.1998.182923.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

As part of my research on Soviet photography and literature of the 1920s
and 1930s, I would like to get in touch with the family of Sergei
Tret'iakov. If there is anyone who could assist me in contacting the
family, please send me an e-mail. My address is: wolf at umich.edu

Thanks in advance for any assistance or advice.



*****************************************************************
Erika M. Wolf

WORK:                                   HOME:
Department of Art and Art History       2452 Stone Road
Wayne State University                  Ann Arbor, MI 48105
150 Art Building, 450 Reuther Mall
Detroit, MI 48202
Office phone:   313-577-5967            Home phone: 734-763-7078
Office fax:     313-577-3491
*****************************************************************


From aisrael at american.edu  Sun May 10 22:38:18 1998
From: aisrael at american.edu (Alina Israeli)
Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 18:38:18 -0400
Subject: enrollment increases
Message-ID: <SUN.10.MAY.1998.183818.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

> Also, what is your usual rate of attrition between first- and
>second-semester Russian language classes?

The attrition at AU between semesters is about the same for all languages:
about 72 % of students continue.


From schmidu at ubaclu.unibas.ch  Mon May 11 09:17:04 1998
From: schmidu at ubaclu.unibas.ch (Ulrich Schmid)
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:17:04 +0200
Subject: Solzhenitsyn's address
Message-ID: <MON.11.MAY.1998.111704.0200.>

Could anybody give me Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's address (or tell me which
is the best way to contact him)?
Thank you very much.
--
Ulrich Schmid                     schmidu at ubaclu.unibas.ch

Universitaet Basel
Slavisches Seminar
Nadelberg 4                       Oerlikonerstr. 95
CH - 4051 Basel                   CH - 8057 Zuerich

Tel./Fax (061) 267 34 11          Tel. (01) 312 16 82
http://www.unibas.ch/slavi/


From rondest+ at pitt.edu  Mon May 11 15:02:13 1998
From: rondest+ at pitt.edu (Karen A Rondestvedt)
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:02:13 -0400
Subject: academic journals
In-Reply-To: <006101bd79c6$dbb50100$54a5c0d0@ykachuro>
Message-ID: <MON.11.MAY.1998.110213.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

To Yelena Kachuro and others looking for lists of journals in Slavic (and
other) languages and literatures:

The best source of such information is the following, which you should be
able to find in your library:

Modern Language Association of America.
  MLA directory of periodicals: a guide to journals and series in
languages and literatures. 1978/79- -- [New York] Modern Language Association of
America.

The most recent issue is 1996/98. It has a subject index, and the entry
for each journal gives subscription information, information about
submitting articles, book review policies, editorial addresses, etc.

Good luck,

Karen


-*-  Karen Rondestvedt                         G-20X Hillman Library
-*-  Slavic Bibliographer                      University of Pittsburgh
-*-  University of Pittsburgh Library System   Pittsburgh, PA 15260
-*-  rondest+ at pitt.edu                         tel: (412) 648-7791
-*-  Web: http://www.pitt.edu/~rondest/        fax: (412) 648-7798


From tom.priestly at ualberta.ca  Mon May 11 19:54:04 1998
From: tom.priestly at ualberta.ca (Tom Priestly)
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 13:54:04 -0600
Subject: History of Langauge Sciences, once again
Message-ID: <MON.11.MAY.1998.135404.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear colleagues,
You will recall my turning to this list for help early in March, when the
editors of  the planned book "History of the Language Sciences,"to be
published by de Gruyter, New York were looking for someone to write the
article on Josef Dobrovsky. - Many of you were very helpful (including
Edward Keenan!), and I hereby thank you all.

Now I have had another request. The contracted author for  article 75,
"Greek influence on Old Church Slavonic linguistics" was Prof. Olexa
Horbatsch, but he unfortunately passed away.

When queried as to the context for, and  the meaning of the title of, this
article, one of the editors, Konrad Koerner, wrote to me thus:

        " . . . . About your question re the article  on Greek
        influence on OCS. If you look at the chapter XI, it reads "The
        Establishment of Linguistics in Greece", and toward the end, it has
        articles on Greek (linguistics) influence in Georgian, Armenian,
and (Old
        Church) Slavic linguistics. So this article is supposed to
        trace the Greek heritage on those non-Greek grammars, etc."

As I understand it, then, this piece would look at descriptions of OCS,
especially the  early ones (19th-C),  and see to what extent they were
influenced by extant grammars of (Byzantine and) Classical Greek, and how
these in turn derived from the Classical Greek grammarians (Thrax, and his
ilk).

So once again, please send me - off list - the names / addresses, e-mails
&c. of any potential authors. I will put them in touch with the editors.

Thanks in advance,

Tom Priestly

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
*  Tom Priestly
*  President, Society for Slovene Studies
*  Modern Languages and Comparative Studies
*  University of Alberta
*  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada T6G 2E6
---------------------------------------------------------------

*  telephone:   403 - 492 - 0789
*  fax:                403 - 492 - 2715

*  email:           tom.priestly at ualberta.ca
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


From JKALB at WELLESLEY.EDU  Mon May 11 21:42:39 1998
From: JKALB at WELLESLEY.EDU (Judith E. Kalb)
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:42:39 -0400
Subject: help for Japanese-American student studying Russian
Message-ID: <MON.11.MAY.1998.174239.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear colleagues,
With Erik Blender's gracious permission, I am posting his response
to my query.  Several people have asked me questions that this e-mail
addresses--I hope it will be helpful.  Many thanks again to all for the
terrific assistance.
Best wishes,
Judith Kalb

************************************************************************

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Dear Ms. Kalb,

My name is Erik Blender.  I am a program officer at American
Council of Teachers of Russian.  We currently have a large number
of students at several institutes in Moscow and St. Petersburg.

We have several students of Asian and African-American descent
going to both cities this summer.  You are right, there is greater cause
for concern for such students, but there are ways to lessen the
potential threats to safety.

The US Embassy in Moscow has recently released a warning to all
foreigners, specifically those of Asian or African/African-American
descent, to be more aware of threats by neo-nazi groups to carry out
acts of violence against such foreigners.

A recent attack on an African-American marine took place at the
open air CD market at Fili Park in the Moscow suburbs (Metro
Bagrationerskaya).  It is a place that has two very long strips of CD
vendors and the rest is just the park with folks milling about here
and there.  The market attracts all sorts of music enthusiasts, among
them the "metal-heads" and "punks" that might also be affiliated with
groups of skin-heads and neo-nazis.  Also, behind many of the
independent vendors, there is definitely some recreational drug
traffic and use going on.  Of course, there are also groups of drunks
that will congregate in this park.

The advice we are giving and will continue to give to our students in
response to this attack in particular, is that foreigners, in particular
those of Asian and African-American descent, should go to this
market with extreme caution, and certainly with a group of friends.
Also, we would advise that students stick to the main avenues of CD
sales and not wander off into other parts of the park.

In response to other attacks, like the one of the two Asian girls off of
the Arbat in Moscow, a main tourist thoroughfare, we are giving
warnings to our students, and supplying them with as much
information as possible, about the skin-head groups and about
which students are considered to be greater targets.  Asian and
African-American students, unfortunately, should be particularly
aware of their surroundings at all times, and should certainly seek to
venture throughout their host city with native Russian friends or
acquaintances that know the city, or could at least buy some time in
a confrontation with any neo-nazi gangs or groups.

It is also advisable that if students choose to go to night-clubs or rock
concerts, where a contingent of skin-heads or the like might be
present, Asians and African-Americans should go with a group of
friends, and preferably with Russian peers in that group who are
likely to be more aware of the surroundings.

ACTR has not experienced any racially motivated violence against
its students and we hope that the warnings and orientations that we
give our students, along with our Resident Directors and field office
support, will continue this trend.  However, the Asian,
African-American, or simply dark-skinned student going to Russia
must be aware of the potential threats to safety based solely on race.
Also, the highly randon nature of the potential violence makes it
harder to predict and defend against.  We do not feel that either
Mosow or St. Petersburg are unsafe places to be for the
non-European student, and we will continue to encourage such
interested students to study in Russia, but it is a topic that must be
discussed frankly and openly at orientations, while in-country, and
even before the program starts with host-family coordinators, so that
students of color are accepted and feel comfortable in their given
host family.

I hope this is helpful.  We will continue to monitor the situation
closely and would be happy to share any information about safety
and other incidents with you.  Let me know what you hear and
please feel free to contact me with any further questions or concerns
that your student may have.

Sincerely,
Erik Blender
Program Officer
Russian and Eurasian Programs
ACTR
blender at actr.org


>>> "Judith E. Kalb" <JKALB at WELLESLEY.EDU> 05/08/98
03:46pm >>>
Dear colleagues,
I am wondering whether any of you might have some advice for a
student of
mine who is eager to go study in Russia next year.  She is hesitating
because she does not know whether as aJapanese-American she
would
be at particular risk of encountering bigotry and potential danger
while
there. She is eager to talk to other Asian-American students who
have
studied in Russia recently.  If any of you knows about this issue or
has
someone she might be able to consult, we'd be very grateful indeed!
Thank you,
Judith Kalb

Dr. Judith E. Kalb
Department of Russian
Wellesley College
Wellesley, MA 02181
jkalb at wellesley.edu


From malcolm at wolfenet.com  Tue May 12 04:45:47 1998
From: malcolm at wolfenet.com (Malcolm Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 21:45:47 -0700
Subject: Babel seeks multilingual correspondents and translators
Message-ID: <MON.11.MAY.1998.214547.0700.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Babel seeks multilingual correspondents and translators

Babel, the multilingual, multicultural online journal of arts and ideas
(http://www.towerofbabel.com) is now seeking multilingual
correspondents and translators to report on what's happening in
your part of the planet for the international stringer "Our Man In
Havana"
section (http://www.towerofbabel.com/sections/ourmaninhavana)

No matter where you are on the planet, no matter what languages you
speak, no matter what you do, we want to know what's going on around you
in as many tongues as you’re fluent in. So far we have stringers in
South Korea, Tokyo, Hong Kong, New York City, Raleigh, Louisiana, San
Francisco, Oakland, Hawaii, Tacoma, prison and church. And so far their
content is all in English, except for one which has been translated into
German and Tagalog as well.

Preferential consideration for any content submitted in more than just
English. Pseudonyms are fine if you are in a delicate situation where
discretion is of the utmost importance. Professional writing experience
is not necessary, and since we can't pay you yet that should encourage
fresh new undiscovered voices.

So far this is what the planet looks like to us:

Africa

Our Man In South Africa - Brett Davidson
Our Woman In Africa - Adeline Apena


Asia

Our Man In East Malaysia - Ben Engelvo
Our Man In Nagano - James Hoadley
Our Man In Tokyo - Bryan Harrell
- Our Woman In Singapore - Shelly Bryant
Our Man In South Korea - Ed Sloan
Our Man In Tokyo - Alan Hulse
Our Woman In Hong Kong - Lise Lingo


Australia

Our Man In Perth - Patrick
Our Man In Melbourne - Murray Lewis
Our Woman In Melbourne - Lesley Podesta


Middle East

Our Woman In Jerusalem - Rachel Bell (Sinai, Paris, Venice)
Our Man In Iran - Parsa Mirhaji


Europe

Our Man In London - Stephen Angell
Our Man In Geneva - Addison Holmes
Our Man In Luxembourg - Reid


India

Our Man In New Delhi - Sundeep Dougal
Our Man In Goa - Frederick Noronha
Our Man In Bombay - Prem Panicker


North America

Our Man In Ontario - Nicholas P. Snoek
Our Man In Hartford - Arthur L. Fern
Our Man In Lafayette - Phil Ward
Our Man In Guantanemo - Sonny Borja
- Our Man In Saint John - M.T. Smith
- Our Man In New York City - Moshe Silverstein
Our Woman In Portland - Susan Moore Denning
Our Woman In New York City - livia sian llewellyn
Our Man In Raleigh - Calvin Stacy Powers
Our Man In Louisiana - Larry Swindle
Our Man In Oakland - David Hahn
Our Man In San Francisco - David Hahn
Our Man From Hawaii - David Hahn
Our Man In Tacoma - Chance Stevens
Our Man In Prison - Lucky & Rich
Our Man In Church - Sterling McKennedy


South America

Our Woman In Brasilia - Norisa Penteado (Rita)
- Our Man In Sao Paulo - Bill Hinchberger

Antarctica



So far it looks like we'll have all the continents (and one
subcontinent) represented. Now all we need to do is find a stringer in
Antarctica  and we'll have the scaffolding all set for the entire
planet.

So if you have a keen eye for observation, a love of life and education,

and a knack for having a deft turn of phrase, please send an email to
malcolm at wolfenet.com.

Malcolm Lawrence
Editor-in-chief
Babel
http://www.towerofbabel.com


From rdelossa at fas.harvard.edu  Tue May 12 19:52:26 1998
From: rdelossa at fas.harvard.edu (Robert De Lossa)
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 14:52:26 -0500
Subject: Harvard Ukrainian Studies
Message-ID: <TUE.12.MAY.1998.145226.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Harvard Ukrainian Research Institute
Publications Announcement

Volume 18 (3/4) of Harvard Ukrainian Studies has just arrived from the printers and is now shipping. Note that volume 19 shipped earlier for technical/editorial reasons. Subscribers should receive copies shortly. Others who are interested in subscribing or purchasing this or other back issues should contact us OFF LIST at huri at fas.harvard.edu.

Contents of the volumes are as follows:


Volume XVIII, No. 3/4

O. V. Rusyna, "On the Kyivan Princely Tradition from the Thirteenth to the Fifteenth Centuries"
Andrei I. Pliguzov, "Canon Law as a Field for Ecclesiastical Debate: The Sixteenth-Century Kormchaia of Vassian Patrikeev"
David A. Frick, "'Foolish Rus'': On Polish Civilization, Ruthenian Self-Hatred, and Kasijan Sakovyc"
Oleksij Tolotchko, "Roman Mstyslavic's Constitutional Project of 1203: Authentic Document or Falsification?"
Iurii Shapoval, "'On Ukrainian Separatism': A GPU Circular of 1926"
Volodymyr Semystiaha, "The Case of Professor Maksym Bernats'kyi"
Hiroaki Kurumiya, "Ukraine and Russia in the 1930s"
Moshe Taube, "The Spiritual Circle in the Secret of Secrets and the Poem on the Soul"
Oleksandr P. Yurenko, "A Tribute to Mikhail Frenkin"
22 titles reviewed
Chronicle (notes on the International Association of Ukrainian Studies and its Congresses; The 18th International Congress of Byzantine Studies)
Books received


Volume XIX, Kamen' Krajeug"l'n": Rhetoric of the Medieval Slavic World. Essays Presented to Edward L. Keenan.

Daniel Waugh (Editor), "The Correspondence concerning the 'Correspondence'"
Samuel H. Baron, "Marx and Herberstein: Notes on a Possible Affinity"
James Cracraft, "Muscovite Ambivalence"
Chester Dunning, "Crisis, Conjuncture, and the Causes of the Time of Troubles"
Michael S. Flier, "Filling in the Blanks: The Church of the Intercession and the Architectonics of Medieval Muscovite Ritual"
David A. Frick, "Sailing to Byzantium: Greek Texts and the Establishment of Authority in Early Modern Muscovy"
Harvey Goldblatt, "History and Hagiography: Recent Studies on the Text and Textual Tradition of the Vita Constantini"
David M. Goldfrank, "Who Put the Snake on the Icon and the Tollbooths on the Snake? - A Problem of Last Judgment Iconography"
Borys Gudziak, "The Sixteenth-Century Muscovite Church and Patriarch Jeremiah II's Journey to Muscovy, 1588-1589: Some Comments concerning the Historiography and Sources"
Richard Hellie, "Great Wealth in Muscovy: The Case of V. V. Golitsyn and Prices of the 1600-1725 Period"
Daniel H. Kaiser, "Naming Cultures in Early Modern Russia"
Craig Kennedy, "Fathers, Sons, and Brothers: Ties of Metaphorical Kinship between the Muscovite Grand Princes and the Tatar Elite"
Valerie A. Kivelson, "Patrolling the Boundaries: The Uses of Witchcraft Accusations in Seventeenth-Century Muscovy"
Nancy Shields Kollmann, "Murder in the Hoover Archives"
Horace G. Lunt, "What the Rus' Primary Chronicle Tells Us about the Origin of the Slavs and of Slavic Writing"
Jakov S. Luria, "Poslanija Hennadija Novgorodskogo i vopros o «konce mira» v XV v."
Janet Martin, "Widows, Welfare, and the Pomest'e System in the Sixteenth Century"
Russell E. Martin, "Royal Weddings and Crimean Diplomacy: New Sources on Chancellery Practice during the Reign of Vasilii III"
Georg Michels, "Muscovite Elite Women and the Old Belief"
Hugh M. Olmsted, "Maksim Grek's 'David and Goliath' and the Skaryna Bible"
Donald Ostrowski, "Loving Silence and Avoiding Pleasant Conversations: The Political Views of Nil Sorskii"
Thomas C. Owen, "Novgorod and Muscovy as Models of Russian Economic Development"
Andrei I. Pliguzov, "Ot florentijskoj unii k avtokefalii russkoj cerkvi"
Marshall Poe, "The Zaporozhian Cossacks in Western Print to 1600"
Carolyn Johnston Pouncy, "'The Blessed Sil'vestr' and the Politics of Invention in Muscovy, 1545-1700"
Omeljan Pritsak, "The System of Government under Volodimer the Great, and His Foreign Policy"
Daniel B. Rowland, "Ivan the Terrible as a Carolingian Renaissance Prince"
Ihor Sevcenko, "To Call a Spade a Spade, or the Etymology of Rogalije"
Ruslan Skrynnikov, "Pervye typografii v Rossii"
Abby Smith, "The Brilliant Career of Prince Golitsyn"
Frank E. Sysyn, "'The Buyer and Seller of the Greek Faith': A Pasquinade in the Ruthenian Language against Adam Kysil"
Moshe Taube, "The 'Poem on the Soul' in the Laodicean Epistle and the Literature of the Judaizers"
Boris Uspensky, "Lyturgiceskij status carja v russkoj cerkvi: priobscenie sv. Tajnam (Istoriko-liturgiceskij etjud"
Istvan Vasary, "Russian and Tatar Genealogical Sources on the Origin of the Iusupov Family"
Daniel Clarke Waugh, "'Anatolii's Miscellany': Its Origins and Migration"
George G. Weickhardt, "Pre-Petrine Law and Western Law: The Influence of Roman and Canon Law"

____________________________________________________
Robert De Lossa
Director of Publications
Ukrainian Research Institute, Harvard University
1583 Massachusetts Ave., Cambridge, MA 02138
617-496-8768; fax. 617-495-8097
reply to: rdelossa at fas.harvard.edu
http://www.sabre.org/huri


From ewb2 at cornell.edu  Tue May 12 19:57:05 1998
From: ewb2 at cornell.edu (Wayles Browne)
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 15:57:05 -0400
Subject: CONF: DAVIS CENTER CONF. REPORT (fwd)
Message-ID: <TUE.12.MAY.1998.155705.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

This report, originally sent to the Russian History list
by a student of ours, might be of interest to
SEELANGerS who missed the celebration. Felicitations
to the Center!

Wayles Browne, Assoc. Prof., Department of Linguistics
Morrill Hall, Cornell University
Ithaca, New York 14853, U.S.A.
tel. 1-607-255-0712, home 1-607-273-3009
fax 1-607-255-2044 (write FOR W. BROWNE)
e-mail ewb2 at cornell.edu

>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 12:38:27 -0400
>From: Martin Ryle <mryle at richmond.edu>
>To: H-RUSSIA at h-net.msu.edu
>Subject: CONF: DAVIS CENTER CONF. REPORT
>
>Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 00:51:29 -0400
>From: John Wilson <jrw14 at cornell.edu>
>The Davis Center for Russian Studies Celebrates 50 Years
>
>A Report on the Conference
>
>By John Wilson, Cornell University
>
>Cambridge, Mass., May 2.  In the early years of Harvard's Russian
>Research Center, which coincided with a period of acrimonious
>anti-Communism in the United States, people routinely threw rocks
>through the center's windows until the sign identifying the building
>was removed.  But as the center celebrated its 50th anniversary today,
>the scholars who assembled to hear a series of panel discussions about
>Russian studies knew only too well that interest in things Russian,
>whether based on ardor or animosity, is flagging and has presented
>their field with an uncertain future.
>
>Reduced concern with Russian studies comes precisely at a time when the
>country and its one-time satellites figure in international business as
>never before, and when it is possible to undertake research there with
>fewer impediments of the kind imposed by the Soviet Government.
>Despite this paradox, large and established entities like the Harvard
>center and Columbia's Harriman Institute are at least financially
>secure.  The former was renamed the Kathryn W. and Shelby Cullom Davis
>Center for Russian Studies in 1996, after Kathryn Davis pledged $10
>million to its endowment.  Mrs. Davis has also recently announced a
>donation of $11 million to Wellesley College to enhance its Russian
>programs.
>
>Some two dozen presenters examined the current state of Russian studies
>in more than seven hours of discussion today, two blocks west of the
>Davis Center in an auditorium of the Science Center, a peculiarly
>constructed building which some say is supposed to be shaped like a
>camera.  The speakers were seated in front of a banner depicting the
>Davis Center's new logo, a Cyrillic "D" topped with a yellow onion
>dome.  In keeping with the interdisciplinary intentions of the center,
>the panels were not separated by field; each featured a range of
>specialists, including historians, political scientists, sociologists,
>economists, humanists, and even a journalist and a banker.
>
>Alex Inkeles (Hoover Institution), who was present at the founding of
>the Russian Research Center, acknowledged that for many, the feeling of
>excitement about Russian studies fostered by the Cold War is now "hard
>to muster."  But such an attitude is a "great mistake," he said, since
>the close of the superpower contest did not signify the end of the need
>to study Russia.  In the 1970s, some scholars believed that the
>shifting of Mr. Inkeles's research interests constituted a withdrawal
>from the Russian field, but Mr. Inkeles explained that back then he was
>spending less time studying the country's sociological makeup because
>"we began to feel we had the answers."  Two models -- totalitarianism
>and the planned economy -- which Mr. Inkeles conceded "were not perfect
>and missed some things," had provided social scientists with convenient
>ways of interpreting the Soviet Union.  Now, however, there exists no
>model of Russian society, described by Mr. Inkeles as "unpredictable
>and erratic," but this lacuna enables some rising scholar to propose a
>new design.  If the model were successful, the scholar "would be
>guaranteed a place in social history," Mr. Inkeles said.
>
>Life in contemporary Russia is very much in disarray, Stephen Holmes
>(Princeton) said, observing that there is hardly any meaningful
>relationship between the Government and the majority of the population.
>"The Government does not tyrannize the people like an elephant, but it
>pesters them like a mosquito," he said.  Many of those in possession of
>state power at all levels exist in "symbiosis" with criminal elements,
>thus creating an environment that is "anti-rule-of-law," Mr. Holmes
>said:  "Halfway-liberalism is where they want to be."  But Virginie
>Coulloudon (Harvard) recommended that contemporary developments be
>taken cautiously, since "one has to let events happen before theorizing
>about them."  The Russian Government is not utterly corrupt, she
>argued, saying that there is not one "monolithic elite," but different
>kinds of elite groups, which are "fluid categories."
>
>As Russia has changed, so too have those who pursue the study of it.
>Thane Gustafson (Georgetown), a political scientist, said that today's
>students are far less "concerned about bombs and bullets."  Instead,
>they are more likely to speak Russian and want to spend time in the
>former Soviet bloc in order to understand the region better.  It is
>time, Mr. Gustafson declared, for "Soviet studies [to] become a normal
>field."
>
>However, the political science community has been wrenched by a
>conflict between those who adhere to the "area studies" approach and
>those who classify themselves as practitioners of some theoretical
>concept, such as rational choice theory, which in Mr. Gustafson's
>words, is "now out of fashion."  Timothy Colton (Harvard), the Davis
>Center's director, said he expected "area studies" to lose the contest,
>owing to the "great, coercive pressure in comparative politics" to
>emphasize theory.  This is not a desirable outcome, in Mr. Colton's
>view, but it may be expedited by the inherent difficulty of drawing
>effective comparisons of countries primarily by means of the "area
>studies" method.  "The American Political Science Association is
>encouraging dual area competence, but we're not going to find enough
>people to do it right.  It's hard to compare Poland and Russia, for
>example," he said.
>
>The field of economics has experienced a similar reaction against "area
>studies."  Abram Bergson (Harvard) said that scholars identify
>themselves mostly by reference to broad, inclusive categories like
>micro- or macroeconomics rather than nationally-based ones like Russian
>economics, which is in a "very depressed state."  The Russian economist
>is even an "endangered species," Marshall Goldman (Wellesley & Harvard)
>said, despite the fact that it "seems to be a promising field" given
>Russia's newfound significance in world trade.  In reality, Russian
>economics is the "most troubled" economics subject at the present time,
>Mr. Goldman said, because few students studying the economics of the
>former Soviet empire possess much cultural knowledge about it.
>
>Several more speakers maintained that strong attention to culture is
>absolutely necessary in any discipline of the humanities or social
>sciences.  The historian of science Loren Graham (MIT & Harvard) said
>he steadfastly believes that a deep understanding of the context in
>which events occurred is required in his field, even though some
>scholars wonder why he feels a need to view the history of natural
>science in Russia from the perspective of "area studies."  Celeste
>Wallander (Harvard) cited the failure of nearly all "specialists" to
>predict the fall of the Berlin Wall as a consequence of the widespread
>lack of knowledge about the Soviet bloc's domestic affairs.  "It's a
>false dichotomy to choose between 'area studies' and methodology," she
>said.  Among those voicing similar opinions about the importance of
>cultural comprehension were Chrystia Freeland (Financial Times),
>Pauline Jones-Luong (Harvard), Craig Kennedy (Morgan Stanley), and John
>Schoeberlein-Engel (Harvard).
>
>In acquiring that special cultural training and then researching a
>society further, Ms. Jones-Luong, who studies Central Asian politics,
>advised against "parochialism" in scholarship.  One should not perceive
>one's particular geographical area of expertise as the "center" and
>everything else as the "periphery," she said, lamenting the marginal
>role Central Asianists and Caucasianists usually occupy in research
>centers which claim to be "Eurasian" or something more than just
>Russian in scope.
>
>Mr. Kennedy offered the audience what he called a "suggested syllabus"
>of readings all Russian specialists should study closely.  His personal
>canon consists of the following eight works:  Part One of The Origins
>of Rus' by Omeljan Pritsak (Harvard); "Muscovite Political Folkways" by
>Edward Keenan (Harvard); The Reign of Aleksei Mikhailovich by Gregory
>Kotoshikhin; Fathers and Sons by Ivan Turgenev; The Brothers Karamazov
>by Fyodor Dostoevsky; Petersburg by Andrey Bely; The Golden Calf by
>Ilya Ilf and Eugene Petrov; and The Master and Margarita by Mikhail
>Bulgakov.  A Rhodes Scholar who holds a Harvard Ph.D. in medieval
>Russian history, Mr. Kennedy said that works such as these provided him
>with the kind of "local knowledge" that enables him to be maximally
>effective in investment banking in Russia.
>
>Foreign language skills are an essential accompaniment to the cultural
>understanding many presenters referred to above.  But too few students
>and professionals associated with Russian studies seem to possess
>extensive language abilities.  By means of illustration, Richard Pipes
>(Harvard) recalled a faculty meeting at which someone ruefully observed
>that the thorough foreign language competence required to pursue study
>of the history of Central Asia barred most students from working in
>that field.  According to Mr. Pipes, Mr. Pritsak, the professor of
>Ukrainian history whose book was recommended by Mr. Kennedy, could not
>understand why this should be the case.  "But what languages?  You
>merely need English, French, German, Russian, Turkish, Persian, and
>Chinese," Mr. Pritsak said.  "It was the most natural thing in the
>world for him to work with so many languages," Mr. Pipes concluded.
>
>James Collins (State Department) provided information on the language
>abilities of the 1,500 employees he directs in his capacity as the U.S.
>Ambassador to Russia.  One-third of them are Russian nationals, but of
>the 1,000 American citizens, 60 to 70 percent know absolutely no
>Russian.  The remainder possess varying degrees of fluency, but Mr.
>Collins declined to speculate how many might be termed completely
>fluent.  As the number of Federal agencies working out of the American
>embassy in Moscow has increased, the need for employees with background
>in Russian studies and proficiency in the Russian language has become
>particularly keen, Mr. Collins said.
>
>Ms. Freeland, the journalist, said that competency in foreign languages
>is "more important than ever before" for reporters even though so many
>people around the globe speak English.  The Financial Times, however,
>intially did not look upon her qualifications in Russian studies
>positively, she said, because it has operated under the assumption that
>in foreign countries "[British] journalists are [to be] gentlemen with
>an outsider's view."  More foreign correspondents than previously,
>though, do have some knowledge of the areas from which they report, Ms.
>Freeland said.  She added that in Russia, foreign journalists' interest
>in their assignment to cover Russia has ebbed as many no longer look
>upon the country as a "good story."  But Ms. Freeland answered this
>complaint by saying:  "In 10 years, if Russia is covered in American
>newspapers like Germany is, that'll be fabulous."
>
>Historians on the discussion panels brought up a number of contentious
>issues about Russian historical scholarship.  Mr. Keenan, the medieval
>Russian historian, speaking on the centrality of elites in Russian
>history, indicated that the formation of groups that are bound by
>kinship and secure special access to resources might be unique to
>Russia due to "the weakness of political institutions, laws, and
>structures insuring personal security" there.  While scholars of
>earlier Russian history consistently seem to be observing the
>importance of elite networks, Mr. Keenan sensed some problems with
>approaches to modern Russian history, in which "there is the problem of
>wide access to sources that leads to a loss of perspective and a
>tendency to think we are like them."  On the subject of doing research,
>Mr. Keenan continued:  "In a sense, it was better when it was harder."
>He said that his reading of modern source material confirms that it
>must be used with care.  "It's all shot through with mendacity,
>cynicism, and obfuscation.  These are not White House tapes -- they're
>strange documents of a strange system," Mr. Keenan said.  Study of the
>role of social networks needs to be expanded, Mr. Keenan stated:  "We
>should study who was at whose New Year's party and who's buried next to
>who in the cemetery as much as the Communist Party archives."
>
>The historian Mr. Pipes referred briefly to his experience in Munich in
>1953 interviewing Muslim refugees from Central Asia.  "It persuaded me
>that the Soviet Union was a very artificial empire, not a peaceful
>association, and that the whole thing would fly apart," Mr. Pipes said.
> But at the time, the notion that people defy the process of
>assimilation and instead cleave to national traditions was taken as a
>pejorative concept, Mr. Pipes said.  Roman Szporluk (Harvard) followed
>up on the topic of the nationalities when he said that historians
>should not be judged based on whether they predicted the collapse of
>the Soviet Union, but that "it is reasonable to say that some
>scholarship is better if it's consistent with what happens."  In this
>manner, Mr. Szporluk praised Mr. Pipes's first book, The Formation of
>the Soviet Union.  Mr. Szporluk also argued that historians who viewed
>the Bolshevik Revolution as a reprise of the French Revolution were
>direly mistaken:  "One of the stupidest things was to think that 1917
>in Russia equalled 1789 in France.  It didn't.  [The events of] 1917
>programmatically liquidated Russia."
>
>Terry Martin (Harvard) warned against "the potential to divide Russian
>history negatively" as a narrative of the Russians versus the
>non-Russians.  "The growth of national studies may entrench the
>divide," Mr. Martin said, noting that books which seem to cover the
>history of peasants or workers usually mean by that only Russians.
>Studies of the minority nationalities tend to emphasize the features
>which set the nationalities apart, such as Islamic beliefs in the
>Central Asian populations, rather than larger, "general questions"
>which appear to be the exclusive province of historians of the
>Russians.  The Russian and Soviet empires are "best framed as
>multiethnic, not Ruso-centric," Mr. Martin said.  He concluded by
>saying that comparative studies of communist societies, which would
>take up subjects such as "how did individuals adapt to the abolition of
>the market," would serve "to mark a return to the original intentions
>of the Russian Research Center" in that they have an interdisciplinary
>emphasis.
>
>Professors of literature contributed their views on current directions
>in literary research.  William Mills Todd 3d (Harvard) identified six
>research topics he called "pressing" and said that they either were
>recently proposed to the Davis Center or are actively being worked on
>right now.  Mr. Todd's list consisted of:  the social construction of
>literary roles and the "highly centripetal orientation of Russian
>literature," by which Mr. Todd meant the peculiar relationship between
>writers and the state -- the state would persecute writers, but their
>works never died; types of literature previously given short shrift in
>the academy, such as popular and mass literature since the Middle Ages;
>private life in Russia, which Mr. Todd characterized as "terra
>incognita"; the relationship of science and technology with literature,
>something Mr. Todd said merited investigation because novels were often
>serialized alongside scientific articles, although he did not mention
>the level of these scientific works; identities and subcultures in
>Russian literature; and the role of the "aesthetic," which Mr. Todd
>said is not easy to define, but he did describe it as a "sense of
>playfulness and unpredictability; a subversiveness which has had
>minimal presence in the centripetal world" referred to above.  Also
>representing Harvard's Slavic Department were Svetlana Boym, who
>explicated her work on Russian private life and spoke of literature as
>a "second Government" in Russia, and Donald Fanger, who traced the
>development of teaching Russian literature at Harvard and said he
>thought that literary research during the Cold War was not immune from
>the political agendas of that period.
>


From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Tue May 12 20:55:16 1998
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 16:55:16 -0400
Subject: Inquiry re exchange programs (fwd)
Message-ID: <TUE.12.MAY.1998.165516.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Please direct any responses to this inquiry to the email address listed
below, *not* to me.  I'm just forwarding this from another group.

Devin P Browne
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:59:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Barker, Frank" <fbarker at ait.net>
Reply-To: civilsoc at SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list <civilsoc at SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU>
Subject: Inquiry re exchange programs

Greetings. I have some former colleagues in Russia, intelligent
professional women, for whom I would like to provide an exchange
experience in the US, perhaps for a summer, or even for an academic
year.  Most of them are elementary and high school teachers. What sort
of programs do you administer that might be applicable?

Thanks.

Sincerely,

Frank Barker
fbarker at ait.net


From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Tue May 12 20:56:25 1998
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 16:56:25 -0400
Subject: Job: Office Director in Moscow (fwd)
Message-ID: <TUE.12.MAY.1998.165625.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

FYI

Devin P Browne
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:49:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Center for Civil Society International <ccsi at u.washington.edu>
Reply-To: civilsoc at SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list <civilsoc at SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU>
Subject: Job: Office Director in Moscow

                       Office Director
           Institute for Sustainable Communities
                        Moscow Office


The Institute for Sustainable Communities (ISC) is a non-profit
organization whose mission is to promote environmental protection,
sustainable economies, and participatory decision-making at the community
level in Central Eastern Europe and Eurasia through training, technical
assistance and demonstration projects. With our headquarters in Montpelier
Vermont, and offices in Moscow, Sofia, and Skopje, ISC has an international
staff of approximately 45 people. ISC receives financial support from
private foundations and US government agencies.

ISC's core values include a commitment to making a meaningful contribution
to improving the quality of life; a desire to maximize our effectiveness
through creativity and high quality work; and compassion, honesty and
respect toward each other and our partners.

Position Description

The Office Director leads a staff team of 10 - 12 people responsible for
implementing a multi-million dollar environmental grants and information
program. The goals of the program are to reduce environmental pollution in
the interest of improving public health and to promote the sustainable
management of natural resources. The Office Director must effectively
supervise personnel and guide office operations to achieve program goals.
Accordingly, the Office Director has overall responsibility for office,
financial, and personnel management; grant and contract administration; and
oversees technical program planning, implementation and evaluation. The
Office Director must promote an atmosphere of trust and mutual respect both
within the office, and with project partners and funders, thereby
encouraging the development of creative initiatives which have as their
overriding goal the improvement of the environment in Russia.

Qualifications and Needed Attributes

   * Proven ability to plan and implement efficient and effective
     management systems.
   * Demonstrated management capability in all aspects of office
     operations, grant and contract administration, procurement, financial
     and personnel management.
   * Ability to develop and maintain collaborative, team relationships in a
     fast-paced work environment.
   * Diplomacy and cultural sensitivity.
   * Experience working with government and non-governmental organizations
     in Eurasia in a related area, such as environmental management,
     community development, environmental policy issues, NGO support,
     multi-stakeholder decision-making, or public outreach and
     participation.
   * International project experience.
   * Fluent in English and Russian, both spoken and written.
   * Relevant advanced degree.
   * Familiarity with US government international assistance program
     requirements.
   * Excellent written and oral communications skills, basic knowledge of
     computer word-processing and spreadsheet programs.

Interested applicants should send a resume, salary history and salary
requirements to "Office Director Search" no later than May 31 at e-mail:
isc at iscvt.org or fax: 802 229-2919

Deadline: May 31, 1998

For more information about Institute for Sustainable Communities, visit
ISC's Web site at: www.iscvt.org



       $$$$$$$$$$$    Grants & Jobs for Eurasia    $$$$$$$$$$$
       $                                                     $
       $ News about Grants and Jobs related to Eurasia are   $
       $ regularly posted to CivilSoc, a free e-mail list    $
       $ sponsored by Center for Civil Society International.$
       $ Grant and job announcements are also compiled at    $
       $ CCSI's Web site (under "Announcements"):            $
       $                                                     $
       $          www.friends-partners.org/~ccsi/            $
       $                                                     $
       $              ccsi at u.washington.edu                  $
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From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Tue May 12 20:56:40 1998
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 16:56:40 -0400
Subject: Job: Baikal Women's Leadership Program (fwd)
Message-ID: <TUE.12.MAY.1998.165640.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

FYI

Devin P Browne
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 13:33:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Project Harmony <pharmony at igc.apc.org>
Reply-To: civilsoc at SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list <civilsoc at SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU>
Subject: Job: Baikal Women's Leadership Program

Program Director - Baikal Women's Leadership Program

        Project Harmony, Inc., a not-for-profit 501-c-3 educational
exchange organization founded on the belief that active citizenship and
community involvement strengthen the international community, is seeking
qualified applicants for the position of Program Director of the  Project
Harmony/USIA funded Baikal Women's Leadership Program.

Program Description:

        The Program will provide women in the Irkutsk region and Republic
of Buryatia with the leadership skills and resources needed to access
government, to shape policy and to assume decision-making postiions in the
emerging democratic system.  The program will strengthen on-going women's
leadership activities in the Baikal area by meeting the needs of women's
groups served by the Angara Women's Union of Buryatia in Ulan-Ude.  More
than 400 women from the Baikal region will participate in the progrm
through Women's Resource and Training Centers, the activies of
Trainer-in-residence, the Siberian Women's Leadership Series and the Baikal
Women's Leasership Conference.  The program will begin in September 1998
and conclude in August 1999.

Job Description:

-Develop, oversee, implement, monitor and evaluate all program
components from Irktusk Office

-Maintain regular contact with other program staff, partner
organizations and USIA/USIS

-Coordinate expansion of Women's Resource and Training Centers,
including purchase and set-up of equipment and resource materials

-Coordinate visit of Trainer-In-Residence, including overseeing
travel  arrangements, scheduling events, and organizing interpretation

-Assist Trainer-In-Residence with screening and selection of
participants for Women's Leadership Institute and Women's
Mentoring Institute

- Work with Trainer and trained mentors to provide follow-on
support to organizations implementing projects and strategic plans

- Identify and invite Siberian professionals to facilitate
workshops in the Siberian Women's Leadership Series

- Oversee planning and execution of the Baikal Women's Leadership
Conference

- Travel to Ulan-Ude as needed to facilitate program activities

- Oversee all financial aspects of the Baikal Women's Leadership
Program

Qualifications

- BA or MA in related field, such international relations or social
science
- Strong Women's Studies background
- Minimum 2 year's experience with NIS based NGO
- Fluent Russian speaker
- Demonstrated successful and extended ( more than 6 months at a
time )  Russia life/work experience
- Exceptional organizational, interpersonal and cross-cultural skills
- Knowledge of Windows 95 and a high level of computer competency

Please send resume and cover letter to Barbara Miller or Jared M. Cadwell,
Project Harmony, 6 Irasville Common, Waitsfield, Vermont 05673; Fax: ( 802
) 496-4548; E-mail: pharmony at igc.apc.org No phone calls please.


       $$$$$$$$$$$    Grants & Jobs for Eurasia    $$$$$$$$$$$
       $                                                     $
       $ News about Grants and Jobs related to Eurasia are   $
       $ regularly posted to CivilSoc, a free e-mail list    $
       $ sponsored by Center for Civil Society International.$
       $ Grant and job announcements are also compiled at    $
       $ CCSI's Web site (under "Announcements"):            $
       $                                                     $
       $          www.friends-partners.org/~ccsi/            $
       $                                                     $
       $              ccsi at u.washington.edu                  $
       $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Tue May 12 20:58:12 1998
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 16:58:12 -0400
Subject: Job: Editor & Chief, Kyiv Post (fwd)
Message-ID: <TUE.12.MAY.1998.165812.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

FYI

Devin P Browne
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 15:18:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Center for Civil Society International <ccsi at u.washington.edu>
Reply-To: civilsoc at SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list <civilsoc at SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU>
Subject: Job: Editor & Chief, Kyiv Post

                    Editor & Chief, Kyiv Post

The Kyiv Post, Ukraine's English language newspaper, is looking for a
unique candidate to fill the position of Editor & Chief. Founded in 1995,
the Kyiv Post has become a leading publication in this emerging market.

Requirements: must have assignment editing, copy desk & layout experience,
along with the leadership skills needed to take over the news room. Russian
or Ukrainian fluency strongly preferred. Solid newsroom experience a must &
the ability to develop a topnotch journalistic team. Highly competitive
salary & additional benefits offered.

The Kyiv Post is a division of KP Publications, an American owned company,
producing five publications for the Ukrainian market.

Send cover letter, resume, clips to:

     FAX: (38-044) 296-9473
     E-mail: JSunden at thepost.kiev.ua

Published in the April 26, 1998 New York Times


From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Tue May 12 20:58:27 1998
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 16:58:27 -0400
Subject: English speaker needed for summer camp in Kazakstan (fwd)
Message-ID: <TUE.12.MAY.1998.165827.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

FYI

Devin P Browne
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 15:23:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Center for Civil Society International <ccsi at u.washington.edu>
Reply-To: civilsoc at SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list <civilsoc at SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU>
Subject: English speaker needed for summer camp in Kazakstan

       English speaker needed for summer camp in Kazakstan

The Business Center in Taldykorgan, Kazakstan is organizing a summer camp
for students who want to learn English. The camp seeks one native
English-speaker, although others are welcome to join. The one teacher will
receive free room and board while at the camp. For others who would like to
participate the fee would only be $150 for 10 days.

Propspective applicants should be able to talk about the culture and
traditions of their home countries and be able to organize some games. It
would be very good if they could bring curriculum materials with them.

If needed, the Business Center can fax an invitation for a visa.

Deadline for applications: May 20, 1998

Application

1. Full name
2. Date of birth
3. Birthplace
4. Your passport's number
5. Your passport is valid till:
6. Nationality
7. Sex
8. Family status
9. Education
10. Knowledge of Russian language (underline)
     a) don't know at all
     b) elementary
     c) middle
     d) fluent
11. Have you been in the countries of the NIS?
12. Have you taken part in similar projects?
13. Do you have experience working with students or young people?
14. Hobbies
15. Underline the opportune period for staying in Taldykorgan
     a) from July 12,1998 till July 21.1998
     b) from July 22 till July 31
     c) from August 1 till August 10
16. Do you have an insurance policy?
17. Please, write additional information which could be useful for the
organizers of the camp.

Send the completed application to Valery Lazurin at the Business Center:
laz at bc.almaty.kz



       $$$$$$$$$$$    Grants & Jobs for Eurasia    $$$$$$$$$$$
       $                                                     $
       $ News about Grants and Jobs related to Eurasia are   $
       $ regularly posted to CivilSoc, a free e-mail list    $
       $ sponsored by Center for Civil Society International.$
       $ Grant and job announcements are also compiled at    $
       $ CCSI's Web site (under "Announcements"):            $
       $                                                     $
       $          www.friends-partners.org/~ccsi/            $
       $                                                     $
       $              ccsi at u.washington.edu                  $
       $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Tue May 12 21:00:57 1998
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 17:00:57 -0400
Subject: jobs
Message-ID: <TUE.12.MAY.1998.170057.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Hi all!  Things are crazy-busy right now at work (like they aren't for
everyone??  sorry to be self-centered here).  The AATSEEL job index will
be updated soon, but I wanted to forward the recent jobs onto you all, so
you can take quick advantage of them or forward them onto to others out
there.

For you higher-ed people out there, hope you're enjoying the summer!  For
those of us still in the K-12 trenches, summer's not too far away!  Hang
in!

Devin / Divan

Devin P Browne
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu


From LanceEli3 at aol.com  Tue May 12 21:00:58 1998
From: LanceEli3 at aol.com (LanceEli3)
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 17:00:58 EDT
Subject: Russian Lang. Programs?
Message-ID: <TUE.12.MAY.1998.170058.EDT.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Hello,

Does anyone here know of some nice shareware programs (ie free) that help
teach Russian, particularly ones I can download off the internet?   I had
found one on Polish a long time ago and am hoping to find one for Russian.

lance


From sjaireth at brs.gov.au  Wed May 13 15:47:00 1998
From: sjaireth at brs.gov.au (Jaireth, Subhash)
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 08:47:00 PDT
Subject: Help
Message-ID: <WED.13.MAY.1998.084700.PDT.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Friends,


I have often come across the term Silver Age of Russian Phiolosophy and
culture, which I presume refers to a period spanning two decades
(1890-1910). Can some one provide some more precise information about the
period and its main protagonists: philosophers, writers, poets, artists
etc.


Thanks


Subhash


From esampson at cu.campus.mci.net  Wed May 13 03:54:28 1998
From: esampson at cu.campus.mci.net (Earl Sampson)
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:54:28 -0700
Subject: Help
Message-ID: <TUE.12.MAY.1998.205428.0700.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

  For starters, see Renato Poggioli, _The Poets of Russia, 1890-1930_. In
spite of the title, he devotes some very worthwhile pages to the other arts
, and to philosophy. More acitve scholars on the list can no doubt suggest
some more recent sources.

Earl Sampson

Subhash Jaireth wrote:

>Friends,
>
>
>I have often come across the term Silver Age of Russian Phiolosophy and
>culture, which I presume refers to a period spanning two decades
>(1890-1910). Can some one provide some more precise information about the
>period and its main protagonists: philosophers, writers, poets, artists
>etc.
>
>
>Thanks
>
>
>Subhash


From Rolf.Fieguth at unifr.ch  Thu May 14 09:08:35 1998
From: Rolf.Fieguth at unifr.ch (Rolf Fieguth)
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:08:35 +0200
Subject: Russian Lang. Programs?
In-Reply-To: <a959529a.3558b88c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <THU.14.MAY.1998.110835.0200.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Hello back,

I have no answer to your question, but I am interested in the internet
address of the Polish language programme you mention.
Best wishes, Rolf Fieguth.

>Hello,
>
>Does anyone here know of some nice shareware programs (ie free) that help
>teach Russian, particularly ones I can download off the internet?   I had
>found one on Polish a long time ago and am hoping to find one for Russian.
>
>lance



   ___________________________________________________________________
  |Rolf FIEGUTH           |  Uni Fribourg/CH   |          e-mail:     |
  |Lettres/Lang. slaves   |--------------------|                      |
  |Portes de Fribourg     |Tel.41 26 300 79 12 |Rolf.Fieguth at unifr.ch |
  |CH-1763 Granges-Paccot |Fax.41 26 300 96 97 |                      |
_____________________________________________________
_____________________


From mla08 at cc.keele.ac.uk  Thu May 14 10:44:24 1998
From: mla08 at cc.keele.ac.uk (J.M. Andrew)
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:44:24 +0100
Subject: Mail Address
Message-ID: <THU.14.MAY.1998.114424.0100.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I would be grateful if anyone could let me have the email address of the
Slavic Library in Helsinki, & especially of Eila Tervako who works there.

Thanks


Joe Andrew


--
Professor Joe Andrew
Department of Modern Languages (Russian)
Keele University
Keele
Staffs ST5 5BG
UK

tel. 44 + (0)1782 583291
FAX  44 + (0)1782 584238


From a.jameson at dial.pipex.com  Thu May 14 11:19:40 1998
From: a.jameson at dial.pipex.com (Andrew Jameson)
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:19:40 +0100
Subject: Fw: Vor v zakone
Message-ID: <THU.14.MAY.1998.121940.0100.>

Dear Colleagues
Sorry I've been slow to reply, I have been away for a while.
Here is my original query, and then a summary of the replies.
----------
From: Andrew Jameson <a.jameson at dial.pipex.com>
To: Seelangs <seelangs at cunyvm.cuny.edu>
Subject: Vor v zakone
Date: 24 April 1998 10:01

Please can anyone tell me the best equivalent, in American
criminal slang, of the Russian expression "Vor v zakone"?
Or does this phenomenon not extend to America??
Many thanks, Andrew Jameson
ex-Russian Dept, Lancaster, UK

Bill Derbyshire  (wwd at u.washington.edu)
        I have come across this term before, and I believe that someone
suggested that it be translated as "thief in honor". Have you received
any better suggestion to your inquiry?

Tony Vanchu (tonyvan at realtime.com)
I've always heard it translated into American English as "made man."  That
usually refers to a man (don't know of this happening with women) who has
passed some test--usually murdering an enemy of the crime family--and is
now a "true" member of his respective mafia family.

Jim Davie (james.davie at portsmouth.ac.uk)
Lecturer in Russian Studies, University of Portsmouth, UK
As far as I am aware, "vor v zakone" often refers to a "godfather",
otherwise known in UK criminal argot as "the guvnor", "the boss", etc.
So, it often refers to a criminal big-shot of some kind, or to an
experienced criminal.
For a US variant, it might be worth consulting R. Chapman's
Dictionary of American Slang (London, Pan, 1987), or to Iu.P.
Dubiagin & E.A. Teplitskii's Kratkii anglo-russkii i russko-
angliiskii slovar' ugolovnogo zhargona (M., Terra, 1993). I have
personally come across the item in various places, which I think is
one of those argotic items which is not so secret as not to have hit
the streets.

Yuri I, Luryi  (yluryi at julian.uwo.ca)
Professor Emeritus, Law, UWO, Canada
>> Please can anyone tell me the best equivalent, in American criminal
>>slang, of >>the Russian expression "Vor v zakone"? Or does this
>>phenomenon not extend to >>America??
I am not sure about existnce of the EXACT equivalent, because social
conditions and traditions of American and Soviet/Russian criminal worlds
are not the same. Chieftain or Gang-leader are, in my opinion, the closest
ones. Well, at least within the scant English vocabulary of mine...

Bill Derbyshire again (wwd at u.washington.edu)
        Here are a couple of more possibilities:

        1.) "law-abiding thief"
        2.) (not a translation but an explanation):
            a thief who observes the thieves code of honor

James Gallant (cjgallant at ucdavis.edu)
Dept. of Russian, University of California, Davis
I too am looking for a good translation of 'vor v zakone' and am writing to
ask whether you have received any answers (I haven't seen any posted to
SEELANGS). If you do receive any suggestions, I'd appreciate your passing
them along or posting to the list. Thanks!


From K.R.Hauge at easteur-orient.uio.no  Thu May 14 12:11:29 1998
From: K.R.Hauge at easteur-orient.uio.no (Kjetil Ra Hauge)
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:11:29 +0200
Subject: Mail Address
In-Reply-To: <26519.199805141044@potter.cc.keele.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <THU.14.MAY.1998.141129.0200.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>I would be grateful if anyone could let me have the email address of the
>Slavic Library in Helsinki, & especially of Eila Tervako who works there.

Both can no doubt be found at http://www.helsinki.fi/.

--- Kjetil Ra Hauge, U. of Oslo.
--- Tel. +47/22 85 67 10, fax +47/22 85 41 40


From jvt8902 at is3.nyu.edu  Thu May 14 13:48:07 1998
From: jvt8902 at is3.nyu.edu (Julia Trubikhina)
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:48:07 -0500
Subject: Help
Message-ID: <THU.14.MAY.1998.084807.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Re: the inquiry on the Silver Age

In Russian: Vospominaniia o serebrianom veke. Ed. Vadim Kreid ( Moscow:
"Respublika," 1993).

Julia Trubikhina
New York University


From mzs at unlinfo.unl.edu  Thu May 14 16:36:25 1998
From: mzs at unlinfo.unl.edu (Mila Saskova-Pierce)
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:36:25 -0700
Subject: Russian Lang. Programs?
In-Reply-To: <v03007801b180801a9c25@[134.21.3.144]>
Message-ID: <THU.14.MAY.1998.093625.0700.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I too am intrested in the internet address for teh Polish program.

Mila Saskova-Pierce

>Hello back,
>
>I have no answer to your question, but I am interested in the internet
>address of the Polish language programme you mention.
>Best wishes, Rolf Fieguth.
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>Does anyone here know of some nice shareware programs (ie free) that help
>>teach Russian, particularly ones I can download off the internet?   I had
>>found one on Polish a long time ago and am hoping to find one for Russian.
>>
>>lance
>
>
>
>   ___________________________________________________________________
>  |Rolf FIEGUTH           |  Uni Fribourg/CH   |          e-mail:     |
>  |Lettres/Lang. slaves   |--------------------|                      |
>  |Portes de Fribourg     |Tel.41 26 300 79 12 |Rolf.Fieguth at unifr.ch |
>  |CH-1763 Granges-Paccot |Fax.41 26 300 96 97 |                      |
>_____________________________________________________
>_____________________


From jrader at m-w.com  Thu May 14 10:53:14 1998
From: jrader at m-w.com (Jim Rader)
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:53:14 +0000
Subject: Pronunciation of FYROM
Message-ID: <THU.14.MAY.1998.105314.0000.>

Does anyone on the list know if there is a conventional pronunciation
of this initialism in English?  Is it pronounced as an acronym,
something like "FI-rome" (FI rhyming with "die") or is it just
pronounced as a sequence of letters, i.e., "f-y-r-o-m."  I would be
grateful for any personal knowledge, or leads to personal knowledge,
from people familiar with the modern Macedonian political situation.

Jim Rader
Merriam-Webster, Inc.


From rondest+ at pitt.edu  Thu May 14 15:33:54 1998
From: rondest+ at pitt.edu (Karen A Rondestvedt)
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:33:54 -0400
Subject: Russian instructional software
Message-ID: <THU.14.MAY.1998.113354.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Some interactive Russian instruction programs are listed on the REESWeb
language and literature page under Russian
<http://www.pitt.edu/~cjp/Lang/langruss.html>. The AATSEEL Web Page
<http://clover.slavic.pitt.edu/~aatseel/> has a page "Computer programs
and WWW tutorials and exercises," which contains links that might be
useful for Russian and other languages.

I'm not an instructor and haven't used these programs, so please don't ask
me for evaluations or help with technical details. (If some links on the
REESWeb page don't work, though, please do tell me about that.)

Karen


-*-  Karen Rondestvedt                         G-20X Hillman Library
-*-  Slavic Bibliographer                      University of Pittsburgh
-*-  University of Pittsburgh Library System   Pittsburgh, PA 15260
-*-  rondest+ at pitt.edu                         tel: (412) 648-7791
-*-  Web: http://www.pitt.edu/~rondest/        fax: (412) 648-7798


From mitrege at mail.auburn.edu  Thu May 14 17:30:32 1998
From: mitrege at mail.auburn.edu (George Mitrevski)
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:30:32 -0500
Subject: Russian alphabet page
Message-ID: <THU.14.MAY.1998.123032.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Here is yet another Russian alphabet page, this one with embedded audio: click
on words to hear them pronounced. Unfortunately, it works only with Netscape
4.03, and if you are connected to the Internet through a modem it will take
forever for the page to load. Don't start clicking until all of the audio has
loaded. I've encountered a couple of problems on Windows computers, and I have
yet to figure out what causes them. If you are working on a Mac you need to
dedicate at least 15 mgabytes of memory to Netscape.

I don't intend to use this page for teaching the Russian alphabet, but rather
as part of a web based Russian mini-course for students who are interested in
taking Russian.

The long URL is:
 http://www.auburn.edu/academic/liberal_arts/foreign/russian/RWT-audio/alphabet/
 read-russian.html

You can also get there from this page:

http://www.auburn.edu/~mitrege/RWT/welcome.html

george.
--
***************************************************************
Dr. George Mitrevski            office: 334-844-6376
Foreign Languages                  fax: 334-844-6378
6030 Haley Center               e-mail: mitrege at mail.auburn.edu
Auburn University
Auburn, AL 36849-5204

List of my WWW pages: http://www.auburn.edu/~mitrege/index.html
***************************************************************


From LanceEli3 at aol.com  Sat May 16 23:29:11 1998
From: LanceEli3 at aol.com (LanceEli3)
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 19:29:11 EDT
Subject: Polish Software
Message-ID: <SAT.16.MAY.1998.192911.EDT.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Hello.

That address to the Polish software is buried somewhere.  You will have
to be patient with me, as I dig it up.  I remember that it was at an
international EText station.

lance


From nkm at unix.mail.virginia.edu  Sun May 17 19:23:01 1998
From: nkm at unix.mail.virginia.edu (Natalie O. Kononenko)
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 15:23:01 -0400
Subject: folklore conference in Ukraine
Message-ID: <SUN.17.MAY.1998.152301.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Seelangers,
        I am reposting this announcement as a reminder.  I
posted ages ago and thought it would be a good idea to submit
again as the deadline for conference registration draws closer.

Natalie Kononenko
FOLKLORE CONFERENCE IN UKRAINE

The Kyiv based Center for the Study of Oral History and
Culture, the journal Rodovid, and the Cherkasy Ethnographic
Museum invite you to take part in an international conference
in Cherkasy, Ukraine as well as to conduct fieldwork (if you so
wish) in central Ukraine in August 1998.

The conference is "Problems in Oral History Research on East
European Villages of the 1920's- 1940's." It will take place
August 4-7, 1998 in the Cherkasy Ethnographic Museum.  An
optional additional activity is to conduct fieldwork in
villages under the guidance of local ethnographers of the
Center and the Museum.  Field trips begin August 8, the
duration of the fieldwork is up to the scholar and can continue
for as many days as you wish. Both the conference and the
fieldwork opportunity are geared to be of interest to
ethnographers of all stripes (anthropologists,
ethnomusicologists, sociologists) as well as to folklorists and
historians.

One of the most serious lacunae in Soviet era ethnography is
oral history: not only its collection but its interpretation as
well. What few oral history projects were undertaken were
seriously flawed by the ideological distortions of the time.
This was particularly true during the time period in question
when Stalinism made any but the blandest research project
impossible. From the 1950's to the 1980's little of lasting
interest was accomplished in this area, and only in the last
few years has competent research been undertaken. Thousands of
now elderly victims/participants still live in village Ukraine
who can speak to the specifics of this time period. Whatever
your area of specialization, if you have an interest in the
collection and interpretation of oral history, or if you have
experience in oral history/ethnography that touches on the
problems of this time period, we hope that you will consider
joining us in August. This includes those who have conducted
research in other parts of Eastern Europe and can offer a
comparative view to research undertaken in Ukraine. This is,
among other things, an opportunity for you to conduct
comparative research in village Ukraine.

Conference Schedule
The conference languages are Ukrainian and English. Papers
should be no more than twenty (20) minutes in length, with ten
minutes for questions and answers immediately after each
presentation. Interpreters will be available at the conference
and you may read your paper in English. In such a case we
request your English text in advance (by July 1) in order to
assist the interpreter. Such papers will be allowed up to
fifteen minutes extra (i.e., thirty-five minutes for your paper
with ten minutes for questions).

You should send a one page double spaced abstract of your paper
(either English or Ukrainian) to us along with your application
and registration payment. Please send to the USA Rodovid
address shown below. The abstracts will be published in the
conference program and will be available before the conference
begins. Selected papers will later be published in Ukrainian in
the journal Rodovid.

The general conference schedule follows below. A more detailed
schedule will be available by July 1.August 4
Tuesday         arrival in Kyiv; transportation by car to
Cherkasy free of charge
 August 5 Wednesday             plenary sessions, morning and
afternoon
August 6 Thursday               separate sessions, panels on:
a) changes in social structure and civil society of the time
        b) transformations in expressive culture
        c) repression of ethnographers and cultural activists
August 7 Friday         plenary session (morning) and excursion
(afternoon)
August 8 Saturday               transportation from Cherkasy to
Kyiv (free of charge)

or begin fieldwork project
If you wish to remain in Kyiv a longer time, we can assist you
in finding accommodations.

Accommodations in Cherkasy

Hotel accommodations cost from $45 to $90 per night (the former
for a double, the latter for a single room). Alternatively we
can place you in a private apartment for $20 a night (one or
two persons to an apartment: most apartments have only one
bed). One other option is to live with an English speaking
family for $20 a night per person. For no additional fee we
will pick you up at the Boryspil' airport in Kyiv and transport
you to Cherkasy, and later back to the airport.
Fieldwork Option
For those wishing to stay on and conduct fieldwork, this option
can begin the day after the conference - Saturday August 8 -
and last as many days as you wish. It costs $30 per day,
inclusive of all transportation, all meals, housing, and an
accompanying ethnographer from the Center or from the Museum.
if you require an interpreter the cost is an additional $10 per
day. The accompanying ethnographer will take you to
representative villages in Cherkasy Oblast'. Those intending to
conduct fieldwork should contact us with details as to your
research interests at least by July 1 (but the earlier the
better) in order for us to plan an itinerary for you. We have a
wide range of specialists who work in either or both the Center
and the Museum and we can accommodate most research requests.

Application: Registration Fee and Registration Form
Registration fee is $90 (USD only please). Please complete the
accompanying registration form and mail it with your one page
abstract and your registration fee of $90 to the USA address
immediately below. We need to receive your application no later
than July 10, 1998 in order to process it in due time. Please
make checks or money orders payable to "Rodovid," and send to:

Rodovid
18200 5. Mullen Road
Belton, MO 64012 USA

Other Fees and Payments
All other fees and charges for accommodations, etc. should be
paid in cash on-site in Ukraine (preferably either Ukrainian
hryvnia, US or Canadian dollars, or DM). We cannot accept in
Ukraine travelers checks, money orders, personal checks, or
credit cards.

Visa Requirements
Citizens of all states outside of Eastern Europe are required
to have a visa to enter Ukraine. We can furnish you with a
letter of invitation which you will need to acquire a visa.
Because visas can take up to two weeks to be processed, we must
have your request for the visa and your payment of the
registration fee no later than July 10, 1998. Upon payment we
will send you a letter of invitation. Please contact the
Ukrainian Embassy in your country for details on visa
applications.

If you have any questions, please contact either William Noll
of the Center or Lidia Lykhach of Rodovid in Kyiv at tel.Ifax
(+380-44) 295-4064 during normal office hours, or send a fax at
any time. Or you may contact us by E-mail:
pito at gonchar.freenet.kiev.ua

We look forward to hearing from you soon, and seeing you in
Kyiv and Cherkasy in August.


Sincerely, William Noll, Director, Center for the Study of Oral
History and Culture
Lidia Lykhach, Director, Rodovid
Mykola Kornienko, Research Director, Cherkasy Ethnographic
Museum

(The Registration Form is not included in this message.  Please
contact Natalie Kononenko at nkm at virginia.edu, or Rodovid at
the Belton, MO address.)


From fred_c at email.msn.com  Sun May 17 22:18:46 1998
From: fred_c at email.msn.com (Fred Choate)
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 18:18:46 EDT
Subject: Distance Instruction
Message-ID: <SUN.17.MAY.1998.181846.EDT.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Seelangers,

We are faced with the possibility of "distance instruction" next year, i.e.,
teaching second-year Russian to a group of students at another campus via a
live, two-way television hookup.  Do any of you have experience teaching
Russian in this manner? Any feelings, pro or contra?

Fred Choate
Lecturer, UC Davis


From ewb2 at cornell.edu  Mon May 18 00:22:14 1998
From: ewb2 at cornell.edu (Wayles Browne)
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 20:22:14 -0400
Subject: Russian economic term
In-Reply-To: <199805171923.PAA89984@node1.unix.Virginia.EDU>
Message-ID: <SUN.17.MAY.1998.202214.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Help...can someone explain the Russian economic term moral'nyj iznos?
Is there an established English translation?
Thank you
Wayles Browne, Cornell U.


From douglas at speakeasy.org  Mon May 18 00:38:40 1998
From: douglas at speakeasy.org (Douglas)
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 17:38:40 -0700
Subject: Russian economic term
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980517202027.18433B-100000@travelers.mail.cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <SUN.17.MAY.1998.173840.0700.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>>From what I recall of my days at Florida State (Hi, Launer!) - moral'nij
iznos is the Russian equivalent of "social costs."  But I could be very
very wrong.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: SEELangs: Slavic & E. European Languages & literatures list
> [mailto:SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of Wayles Browne
> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 1998 5:22 PM
> To: SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
> Subject: Russian economic term
>
>
> Help...can someone explain the Russian economic term moral'nyj iznos?
> Is there an established English translation?
> Thank you
> Wayles Browne, Cornell U.
>


From yamato at yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp  Mon May 18 00:37:24 1998
From: yamato at yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp (Yoshimasa Tsuji)
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 09:37:24 +0900
Subject: Russian economic term
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980517202027.18433B-100000@travelers.mail.cornell.edu> (message from Wayles Browne on Sun,
 17 May 1998 20:22:14 -0400)
Message-ID: <MON.18.MAY.1998.093724.0900.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Sorry that I forgot the exact term in English for "moral'nyj iznos".
It may be "moral devaluation/depreciation/ammortization" and it
obviously originates from English (hence "moral'nyj" in unusual
meaning).

FYI, it means "wearing out not in the sense that it has worn out
physically, but in the sense that has become unusable due to
technical progress, etc." PCs are a good example: they are
usable for at least five years (hence a twenty percent depreciation
per year), but they lose value by at least fifty percent a year
due to rapid changes.

Cheers,
Tsuji


From dbulgak at pop3.utoledo.edu  Mon May 18 05:28:34 1998
From: dbulgak at pop3.utoledo.edu (R.B.)
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 22:28:34 -0700
Subject: Russian economic term
Message-ID: <SUN.17.MAY.1998.222834.0700.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

'moral'niy iznos' is simply  "OUTDATED"

Why so many words?
As of of the Chekhov's heroes noted  " Eto oni svoyu ychenost' xotyat
pokazat'..."


From yamato at yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp  Mon May 18 03:10:19 1998
From: yamato at yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp (Yoshimasa Tsuji)
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 12:10:19 +0900
Subject: Russian economic term
In-Reply-To: <355FC702.116D@POP3.utoledo.edu> (dbulgak@pop3.utoledo.edu)
Message-ID: <MON.18.MAY.1998.121019.0900.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I don't think "moral'nyj iznos" is used in layman's context,
hence not exactly (ustarelyj)"dated/outdated". "write-off" is
close,but not quite.

  Incidentally, the Russian word "ehkonomist" usually means
an accountant, senior to "kasir", but junior to "bukhgal'ter".
  She is supposed to know how to calculate "iznos" of every item
in her organization. I regret to have little information about
how they actually do that in Russia. I assume the
extent of "iznos" used to be defined somewhere in ministerial
instructions. Please refer to somebody knowledgeable of Soviet methods of
enterprise accounting.
  Having seen so many pre-WW2 machine tools in Russian factories
recently, I find it hard to assume the term is properly understood
by the Russians. I actually read a couple of Soviet textbooks
on "depreciation" as a student thirty years ago, but I failed to
understand anything at all.


Cheers,
Tsuji


From dbulgak at pop3.utoledo.edu  Mon May 18 06:21:19 1998
From: dbulgak at pop3.utoledo.edu (R.B.)
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 23:21:19 -0700
Subject: Russian economic term
Message-ID: <SUN.17.MAY.1998.232119.0700.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Even more words...meli Emelya, tvoya nedelya....


From ggerhart at wolfenet.com  Mon May 18 04:05:36 1998
From: ggerhart at wolfenet.com (Genevra Gerhart)
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 21:05:36 -0700
Subject: Russian economic term
Message-ID: <SUN.17.MAY.1998.210536.0700.>

RB's problem is he don't know English: no way is moral'nyy iznos
equivalent to "outdated"
On the other hand, how many comprehend: Meli Emelya, tvoya nedelya?
gg
--
Genevra Gerhart
http://www.wolfenet.com/~ggerhart/

2134 E. Interlaken  Bl.                 Tel. 206/329-0053
Seattle, WA  98112                      ggerhart at wolfenet.com


From brifkin at facstaff.wisc.edu  Mon May 18 14:57:17 1998
From: brifkin at facstaff.wisc.edu (Benjamin Rifkin)
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 09:57:17 -0500
Subject: Moscow Women's Museum
Message-ID: <MON.18.MAY.1998.095717.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Colleagues:

A student of mine contributed a sculpture to the Moscow Women's Museum back
in the 70s and is interested in finding out if the museum still exists.
She'd like to visit the museum and see if her sculpture is on display.  I
don't have any references to it in any of the works I have.  If you know if
this museum currently exists and any information about how to find it or
contact people working there, I'd appreciate it if you'd let me know
off-list.

Thanks.

With best regards,

Ben Rifkin


/////////////////////////////

Benjamin Rifkin
Associate Professor of Russian,
Coordinator of Russian-Language Instruction & Teacher Training
Department of Slavic Languages & Literatures
University of Wisconsin-Madison
1432 Van Hise Hall
1220 Linden Drive
Madison, WI  53706

e-mail:  brifkin at facstaff.wisc.edu
telephone:  608/262-1623, 608/262-3498
fax:  608/265-2814

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From G.Andrusz at mdx.ac.uk  Mon May 18 16:26:00 1998
From: G.Andrusz at mdx.ac.uk (GREGORY ANDRUSZ)
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 16:26:00 +0000
Subject: Russian economic term
Message-ID: <MON.18.MAY.1998.162600.0000.>

If it refers to housing then I tend to translate it as 'dilapidated'.
It could even be 'run down'


Gregory Andrusz

> Date sent:      Sun, 17 May 1998 20:22:14 -0400
> From:           Wayles Browne <ewb2 at cornell.edu>
> Subject:        Russian economic term
> To:             SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
> Send reply to:  "SEELangs: Slavic & E. European Languages & literatures list"
>                 <SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

> Help...can someone explain the Russian economic term moral'nyj iznos?
> Is there an established English translation?
> Thank you
> Wayles Browne, Cornell U.
>


From alexush at paonline.com  Mon May 18 15:45:37 1998
From: alexush at paonline.com (Alex Ushakov)
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:45:37 -0400
Subject: Russian economic term
Message-ID: <MON.18.MAY.1998.114537.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Here are some examples from The Businessman's Russian-English Dictionary.
In 2 Volumes. Minsk, 1994:

iznos s. wear and tear, wear, tear, tear and wear, depreciation; (moral'nyj
-- ustarevanije) obsolescence, ageing. nastupil polnyj moral'nyj ili /i/
fizicheskij iznos osnovnykh fondov -- assets are worn out;

moralnyj iznos (oborudovanija) -- moral /functional/ depreciation,
obsolescence

HTH

Alex Ushakov



----------
> From: GREGORY ANDRUSZ <G.Andrusz at mdx.ac.uk>
> To: SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
> Subject: Re: Russian economic term
> Date: Monday, May 18, 1998 12:26 PM
>
> If it refers to housing then I tend to translate it as 'dilapidated'.
> It could even be 'run down'
>
>
> Gregory Andrusz
>
> > Date sent:      Sun, 17 May 1998 20:22:14 -0400
> > From:           Wayles Browne <ewb2 at cornell.edu>
> > Subject:        Russian economic term
> > To:             SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
> > Send reply to:  "SEELangs: Slavic & E. European Languages & literatures
list"
> >                 <SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
>
> > Help...can someone explain the Russian economic term moral'nyj iznos?
> > Is there an established English translation?
> > Thank you
> > Wayles Browne, Cornell U.
> >


From beyer at jaguar.middlebury.edu  Mon May 18 17:17:33 1998
From: beyer at jaguar.middlebury.edu (Beyer, Tom)
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 13:17:33 -0400
Subject: Distance Instruction
Message-ID: <MON.18.MAY.1998.131733.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

last year (1996-97) I taught basic Russian to thirty students at six
remote sites over Vermont interactive television. I did over 150 live
broadcasts and would be happy to chat with you about the issues
involved-you probably want to contact me directly and we can set up a
time to chat.

Tom Beyer
Middlebury College

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fred Choate [SMTP:fred_c at email.msn.com]
> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 1998 4:19 PM
> To:   SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
> Subject:      Distance Instruction
>
> Dear Seelangers,
>
> We are faced with the possibility of "distance instruction" next year,
> i.e.,
> teaching second-year Russian to a group of students at another campus
> via a
> live, two-way television hookup.  Do any of you have experience
> teaching
> Russian in this manner? Any feelings, pro or contra?
>
> Fred Choate
> Lecturer, UC Davis


From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Mon May 18 17:22:58 1998
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 13:22:58 -0400
Subject: Distance Instruction
Message-ID: <MON.18.MAY.1998.132258.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

The high school where I teach used to offer 3 languages over satellite.
They varied in their quality, the interactiveness, and their ability to
hold the interest of the students.  Personally, I think distance learning
is a bit of a drag, and not anywhere near as stimulating as having a good
teacher in the classroom.

However, it's better than not having a program at all, I guess.

Devin / Divan

Devin P Browne
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu


From Jerry_Ervin at compuserve.com  Mon May 18 18:01:07 1998
From: Jerry_Ervin at compuserve.com (Jerry Ervin)
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 14:01:07 -0400
Subject: Distance Instruction
Message-ID: <MON.18.MAY.1998.140107.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Fred,

You might want to contact Tom Beyer (Middlebury) who has at least some
experience in this, specifically with Russian.

The area of foreign language via distance education is not new.  Some
places have done a LOT of it.  Another suggestion is to contact Elizabeth
Hoffman, Nebraska Dept of Education, Lincoln NE:  she's been in charge of
coordinating such a program for a number of years (Japanese, mostly, though
her own background is as a German teacher).  She's also the current
president of the American Council on the Teaching of Foreign Languages, by
the way.

Good luck,

Jerry

*  *  *  *  *
Gerard L. (Jerry) Ervin
Executive Director, American Ass'n of Teachers of 
Slavic & E European Languages (AATSEEL)
1933 N. Fountain Park Dr., Tucson, AZ 85715 USA
Phone/fax:  520/885-2663
Email:  76703.2063 at compuserve.com
AATSEEL Home Page: <http://clover.slavic.pitt.edu/~aatseel/>
*  *  *  *  *


From esampson at cu.campus.mci.net  Mon May 18 22:06:40 1998
From: esampson at cu.campus.mci.net (Earl Sampson)
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 15:06:40 -0700
Subject: Russian economic term
Message-ID: <MON.18.MAY.1998.150640.0700.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>RB's problem is he don't know English: no way is moral'nyy iznos
>equivalent to "outdated"
>On the other hand, how many comprehend: Meli Emelya, tvoya nedelya?
>gg
>--
>Genevra Gerhart
>http://www.wolfenet.com/~ggerhart/

RB's other problem is he don't know netiquette, ordinary etiquette, or just
plain poriadochnost'. In the time I have been a subscriber to the list, I
have observed Tsuji to be perhaps the kindest, politest, most decent and
helpful citizen of Seelangia. No way did he deserve RB's gratuitously
contemptuous comments.

Earl Sampson
esampson at cu.campus.mci.net


From dbulgak at pop3.utoledo.edu  Tue May 19 00:28:27 1998
From: dbulgak at pop3.utoledo.edu (R.B.)
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 17:28:27 -0700
Subject: Russian economic term
Message-ID: <MON.18.MAY.1998.172827.0700.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Judging by your grammar, your command of English is not very good
either. I am a Russian born prof. techn. translator and I usually think
twice be4 I say something.
But I appreciated your remark on 'Meli Emelya'


From nyuka at Claritech.com  Mon May 18 21:33:57 1998
From: nyuka at Claritech.com (Kamneva, Natalia)
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 17:33:57 -0400
Subject: Russian economic term
Message-ID: <MON.18.MAY.1998.173357.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Tsuji,
Accept my apology from all Russians! I  feel ashamed because I am
also Russian.

Dear compatriots,
we have to try not to bring our "sovkovye" habits and traditions
to argue impolite and rude way. " Meli Emelya, tvoya nedelya" is
absolutely inappropriate in our Seelangia. Let's make our discussions
only the  civil and loyal way.

Natalia Kamneva

        -----Original Message-----
        From:   Earl Sampson [SMTP:esampson at cu.campus.mci.net]
        Sent:   Monday, May 18, 1998 6:07 PM
        To:     SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
        Subject:        Re: Russian economic term

        >RB's problem is he don't know English: no way is moral'nyy
iznos
        >equivalent to "outdated"
        >On the other hand, how many comprehend: Meli Emelya, tvoya
nedelya?
        >gg
        >--
        >Genevra Gerhart
        >http://www.wolfenet.com/~ggerhart/

        RB's other problem is he don't know netiquette, ordinary
etiquette, or just
        plain poriadochnost'. In the time I have been a subscriber to
the list, I
        have observed Tsuji to be perhaps the kindest, politest, most
decent and
        helpful citizen of Seelangia. No way did he deserve RB's
gratuitously
        contemptuous comments.

        Earl Sampson
        esampson at cu.campus.mci.net


From douglas at speakeasy.org  Mon May 18 21:36:18 1998
From: douglas at speakeasy.org (God Gave Rock and Roll To Us)
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 14:36:18 -0700
Subject: Russian economic term
In-Reply-To: <3560D22B.5430@POP3.utoledo.edu>
Message-ID: <MON.18.MAY.1998.143618.0700.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

On Mon, 18 May 1998, R.B. wrote:

> Judging by your grammar, your command of English is not very good
> either. I am a Russian born prof. techn. translator and I usually think
> twice be4 I say something.
> But I appreciated your remark on 'Meli Emelya'

Could we please *not* get into a contest over whose grammar is better, who
has the right to criticize, etc.?  Here:

R.B. - you seemed to come down a bit hard on Tsuji; I don't know if that
was your intention, or if it just seemed to be harsh because of the lack
of tone and tact that using e-mail necessarily entails.

Since you say that you normally think before you speak, I assume that it
was a case of misinterpretation on everyone's part.   But in the future, I
do ask you to consider perhaps thrice before you write, instead of only
twice.
--
"As everyone knows, dog is man's best friend -
        unless you're dyslexic, in which case you're stuck with God."


From napooka at aloha.net  Mon May 18 21:58:59 1998
From: napooka at aloha.net (IreneThompson)
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:58:59 -1000
Subject: Russian economic term
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.96.980518143340.727A-100000@eve.speakeasy.org>
Message-ID: <MON.18.MAY.1998.115859.1000.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear colleagues:
I suggest we all reconsider the purpose of our listserv before we post our
next message. Let's address issues of professional interest to all of us
and use our private e-mail to exchange barbs.
Irene Thompson

**********************************************
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P.O. Box 3572
Princeville, HI  96722
tel/fax: (808) 826-9510
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From Jerry_Ervin at compuserve.com  Mon May 18 22:39:43 1998
From: Jerry_Ervin at compuserve.com (Jerry Ervin)
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 18:39:43 -0400
Subject: A L Barto
Message-ID: <MON.18.MAY.1998.183943.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Can anyone tell me whether the children's author, Agnia L'vovna Barto is
still alive (and if not, when she died)?

Also, can anyone tell me whether the Moskvich is still made?

Thanks,

Jerry


From yamato at yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp  Tue May 19 00:29:54 1998
From: yamato at yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp (Yoshimasa Tsuji)
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 09:29:54 +0900
Subject: Russian economic term
In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980518115859.0068bc38@aloha.net> (message from
 IreneThompson on Mon, 18 May 1998 11:58:59 -1000)
Message-ID: <TUE.19.MAY.1998.092954.0900.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Hello,
Apart from my being enlightened that the term "moral depreciation" has
somewhat degenerated into common use in the Russian environment,
I would like to remind those new comers to civilized world (it`s
only ten years since they joined us) that we, in the course of
discussion or debate, do not think it important at all WHOSE assertion
prevails, i.e. WHO wins the debate, but are interested in what exactly
is the FACT or the right LOGIC.
   Civilized people slight others by being more polite, not the
other way round.

Cheers,
Tsuji


From ewb2 at cornell.edu  Tue May 19 03:38:05 1998
From: ewb2 at cornell.edu (Wayles Browne)
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 23:38:05 -0400
Subject: In memoriam Bozhidar Vidoeski
Message-ID: <MON.18.MAY.1998.233805.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Posted at Victor Friedman's request.
B.Vidoeski was an outstanding dialectologist, and, with the late
Blazhe Koneski, one of the founders of linguistics in Macedonia.
Wayles Browne

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 14:53:31 -0500
From: victor Friedman <vfriedm at midway.uchicago.edu>
To: alexande at snowy.qal.berkeley.edu, gfielder at u.arizona.edu,
    E Wayles Browne III <ewb2 at cornell.edu>, ce.kramer at utoronto.ca,
    jhacking at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu, mje at darwin.clas.virginia.edu,
    eda at acpub.duke.edu, BELYAVSK at DEPAUW.EDU, bdarden at midway.uchicago.edu,
    hia5 at midway.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: blagodarnost

It is with  deep regret that I must inform you of the death of Acad.
Bozhidar Vidoeski, in Skopje, on Saturday 16 May 1998.

All those wishing to express their sympathy and/or appreciation of what
Bozho meant to us can send e-mail to me, which I will forward in some
appropriate way.

If you would simply like your name to be added to a collective message of
condolence and appreciation that I plan to compose, you may so indicate in
an email.

Apparently there will be a memorial session of the Macedonian Academy of
Arts and Sciences held the Wedensday (20 May), so I ask that all those who
can do so act with the utmosat alacrity.  Please keep in mind, also that
Skopje time is 7 hours ahead of Chicago.

Since I do not have access to SEELANGS, I would appreciate it if one of you
who does would post this message.


Victor A. Friedman
Chair, Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures
1130 East 59th Street
Chicago, IL  60637
773-702-8033
FAX:  773-702-7030
home:  5538 S. Blackstone Ave.
       Chicago, IL  60637
773-955-1376


From a.jameson at dial.pipex.com  Tue May 19 10:40:21 1998
From: a.jameson at dial.pipex.com (Andrew Jameson)
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 11:40:21 +0100
Subject: A L Barto
Message-ID: <TUE.19.MAY.1998.114021.0100.>

The Bol'shoi Entsiklopedicheskii Slovar', Vol 1 (of 2)
1991 p110 gives Agniya Barto's death as 1981.
Andrew Jameson
Lancaster, UK

----------
From: Jerry Ervin <Jerry_Ervin at compuserve.com>
To: SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
Subject: A L Barto
Date: 18 May 1998 23:39

Can anyone tell me whether the children's author, Agnia L'vovna Barto is
still alive (and if not, when she died)?

Also, can anyone tell me whether the Moskvich is still made?

Thanks,

Jerry
----------


From ipustino at syr.edu  Tue May 19 14:05:32 1998
From: ipustino at syr.edu (Irena Ustinova)
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 10:05:32 -0400
Subject: A L Barto
Message-ID: <TUE.19.MAY.1998.100532.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

At 06:39 PM 5/18/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Can anyone tell me whether the children's author, Agnia L'vovna Barto is
>still alive (and if not, when she died)?

She died, but I can't tell you  the date- it was 3-4 years ago.
>
>Also, can anyone tell me whether the Moskvich is still made?

They had plams to merge Moskvich with Reno, but nothing good happens.

Irena Ustinova
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jerry
>
>


From Jerry_Ervin at compuserve.com  Tue May 19 15:34:49 1998
From: Jerry_Ervin at compuserve.com (Jerry Ervin)
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 11:34:49 -0400
Subject: A L Barto
Message-ID: <TUE.19.MAY.1998.113449.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Thanks for the response, Irena.  Turns out that she died in 1981.

Jerry


From ct445 at freenet.toronto.on.ca  Tue May 19 19:23:36 1998
From: ct445 at freenet.toronto.on.ca (Jon-Ross Ennest)
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:23:36 -0400
Subject: About the Moslem Question in the Russian Imperial Policy
Message-ID: <TUE.19.MAY.1998.152336.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I am trying to locate a journal called the "Stanbulskiy Novostiy",
printed in Konstantinople, before 1918.

There is an article dealing with the history of governamental policies in
Imperial Russia in an issue released either in 1910, or in 1917. This
article focuses on the sociological investigations of the beaurocratic
history of the Russian Imperialist Government's policies toward Moslems.

An address, for either an archive or a web-site at which I might find
this article will prove very useful to my research.


                                            Appreciably, J.R. Ennest


From lat5 at columbia.edu  Tue May 19 21:10:09 1998
From: lat5 at columbia.edu (Ludmilla A Trigos)
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 17:10:09 -0400
Subject: naum korzhavin
In-Reply-To: <Pine.3.89.9805191522.B17645-0100000@queen>
Message-ID: <TUE.19.MAY.1998.171009.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Greetings!

Does anyone know the date of Naum Korzhavin's poem "Pamiati Gertsena?"
Please reply to me off-list.

Thank you.

Ludmilla A. Trigos
Columbia University
Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures


From richmond at tiger.cc.oxy.edu  Tue May 19 21:36:40 1998
From: richmond at tiger.cc.oxy.edu (Prof. Walter Comins-Richmond)
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 17:36:40 EDT
Subject: Distance Instruction
In-Reply-To: <003901bd8124$39055b20$4bec2399@dellxps200>
Message-ID: <TUE.19.MAY.1998.173640.EDT.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I saw a demonstration of distance instruction at an AATSEEL meeting at
UCLA last year. The students uniformly responded negatively to it. The
people giving the demonstration assured us this was not meant to be used
to eliminate jobs, but at UC Davis this is precisely the case.

>>From a more general standpoint, by
supplying distance learning, a student is discouraged from attending a
college like mine, that does offer Russian. We have one student right now
who chose our school because it was one of only two in the country that
offered Russian and another subject the student wanted to combine into a
major. If Russian was offered everywhere via distance learning, we would
not have had the leverage we had.

It should be obvious to anyone who has taught a language that distance
learning is woefully inferior to real contact. It should be equally
obvious to anyone who has paid attention to the corporate model being
applied to universities recently that distance learning is a form of
downsizing. As a Southern Californian I am aware of the fight you are
facing. I am not sure the rest of the country is aware of the all out
assault upon Russian and foreign languages in general taking place in the
UC system, but I oppose it.

**********************************
Walter Comins-Richmond
Assistant Professor
Department of Languages and Literatures
Occidental College
Los Angeles, CA 90041

On Sun, 17 May 1998, Fred Choate wrote:

> Dear Seelangers,
>
> We are faced with the possibility of "distance instruction" next year, i.e.,
> teaching second-year Russian to a group of students at another campus via a
> live, two-way television hookup.  Do any of you have experience teaching
> Russian in this manner? Any feelings, pro or contra?
>
> Fred Choate
> Lecturer, UC Davis
>


From SIBELAN at mainpgu.karelia.ru  Wed May 20 12:27:58 1998
From: SIBELAN at mainpgu.karelia.ru (Sibelan Forrester)
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:27:58 MSK
Subject: A L Barto
Message-ID: <WED.20.MAY.1998.122758.MSK.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

And about the Moskvich:  my informant here tells me that they are
still being produced.  What's more, they will son start putting out
two new models, one named something like "Prince Vladimir;" the
prepublicity claims that they will be super-super.
(And her family has a Moskvich -- though I gather not one of the
latest models.)

na zdorov'e --

Sibelan Forrester


From ggerhart at wolfenet.com  Wed May 20 17:41:43 1998
From: ggerhart at wolfenet.com (Genevra Gerhart)
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:41:43 -0700
Subject: Russian economic term
Message-ID: <WED.20.MAY.1998.104143.0700.>

First, the question:
Help...can someone explain the Russian economic term moral'nyj iznos?
Is there an established English translation?
Then, the answer:
'moral'niy iznos' is simply  "OUTDATED"  (from RB)
And:
Even more words...meli Emelya, tvoya nedelya....
Then, my response:
 no way is moral'nyy iznos equivalent to "outdated"

I apologize to the list and especially RB for being wrong, wrong, wrong
about moral'nyy iznos.  The cause was ignorance and sloth plus the devil
who put them together.  I forgot the maxim that "the meaning of a word
is its use," and that word roots are particularly vague pointers at
meaning. (Mind you, American feminists made the same 2 mistakes.)
    From all this we can learn that the response of "...meli Emelya,
tvoya nedelya" is not terribly kind.  In this set expression, Emelya is
dismissed as a stupid boob whose blatherings are eminently ignorable (a
waste of time) to the more knowledgeable community.
    melit': MELh: meal, mill, molar, mallet, maul.
I return to my grindings. gg

--
Genevra Gerhart
http://www.wolfenet.com/~ggerhart/

2134 E. Interlaken  Bl.                 Tel. 206/329-0053
Seattle, WA  98112                      ggerhart at wolfenet.com


From feldstei at indiana.edu  Wed May 20 18:43:28 1998
From: feldstei at indiana.edu (feldstei)
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:43:28 -0500
Subject: Russian economic term
In-Reply-To: <199805201747.MAA04006@indiana.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.20.MAY.1998.134328.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

On Wed, 20 May 1998, Genevra Gerhart wrote:
>     melit': MELh: meal, mill, molar, mallet, maul.
> I return to my grindings. gg


The infinitive in question is molot'.  See the 17-vol. Russian
dictionary, vol. 6, p. 1202.  The "Meli, Emelja..." expression is
listed under molot'.


R. Feldstein


From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Thu May 21 02:25:37 1998
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 22:25:37 -0400
Subject: FL tech workshop in central PA
Message-ID: <WED.20.MAY.1998.222537.0400.DPBROWNE@PITT.EDU>

For anyone interested......

Devin P Browne
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Calling ALL K-16 foreign language teachers!
Use the Web Tomorrow:  Creating Your
Own Task-based Activities for the WWW!

        In order to take advantage of the wealth of information available on the
WWW today, students must be asked to do more than passively "look at" web
sites.  This hands-on workshop will show participants how to create
pedagogically sound, task-based activities for foreign language learners of
various levels.  During the morning session, participants will view and
discuss task-based activities and accompanying in-class follow-up activities
designed from materials available at existing French and Spanish web sites.
During the afternoon session, participants will be given guidelines and
materials for creating their own activities, and will work in pairs to
develop at least one WWW activity and one follow-up exercise which can be
used immediately in class.
        This workshop will be held in a language resource center equipped
with Macintosh  computers and Netscape, but Windows users familiar with a
web browser and a basic word processing application will be able to
participate.  Knowledge of html or  WWW  authoring tools is  NOT required.

AGENDA:          9: 00  Registration (sign-in, coffee)
                 9: 15 -12: 00  Introduction, examples,  methodology
                 12: 00 -  1: 00  Lunch on  campus
                 1: 00 -  3: 00  Hands-on development, discussion, conclusions

WHERE:           FRANKLIN  &  MARSHALL  COLLEGE, LANCASTER, PA
                 Stager Hall

WHEN:            FRIDAY,  JUNE  26,  1998

COST:            $45.00-- Make check out to PSMLA,  which includes lunch

MAIL:            Name, Address,  Phone Number, and  Payment to:
                               Dr. Cindy Yetter-Vassot
                                Department of French and Italian
                                Franklin & Marshall College
                                Box 3003
                                Lancaster, PA  17604-3003
                                ATTN.  PSMLA workshop

REGISTRATION DEADLINE:        June 12, 1998

WORKSHOP LIMIT:               25 Participants

PRESENTERS:                   KIMBERLY M. ARMSTRONG  &
                              CINDY YETTER-VASSOT

Kimberly M. Armstrong received her Ph.D. in Spanish Linguistics from
Georgetown University and is currently Chair of the Department and
Associate Professor of Spanish at Franklin & Marshall College.  Cindy
Yetter-Vassot received her Ph.D.  in French Language and Literature from
the University of Virginia and she is currently Associate Professor of
French at Franklin & Marshall College.  They have given numerous
presentations on integrating technology into the foreign language
curriculum and have published in The Canadian Modern Language Journal and
Foreign Language Annals.


Directions to Franklin & Marshall College

Take the PA Turnpike to exit 21  (Reading- Lancaster) . Take Route 222 South
to Route 30. Follow the signs for York/ Rt. 30  West. Proceed west on Rt. 30
to the Harrisburg Pike exit (at Park City shoping center). Exit onto
Harrisburg Pike, turn left, and proceed 1 1/2  milkes to the College.
FROM THE WEST--Take the PA Turnpike to Harrisburg. Use Exit 19 (Harrisburg
East)  and take Rt. 283 to Lancaster. Exit at Rt. 30 West.  Then take the
first exit --Harrisburg Pike. Turn left on Harrisburg Pike and proceed 1 1/2
miles to the college.





























Use the Web Tomorrow...PSMLA Workshop Registration Form
Name______________________________________________
Address____________________________________________
___________________________________________________
Home Phone:________________Work Phone:___________________
E-mail: ____________________________________________
School District: _______________Language (s)___________________
Check made out to PSMLA for $45.00,  must be included.  Send to:
Dr.  Cindy Yetter-Vassot,   Department of French and Italian,   Franklin &
Marshall College, Box 3003.   Lancaster,  PA  17604-3003      ATTN.  PSMLA
workshop






At 08:35 AM 5/20/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Should I post the workshop info to the AATG listserve? It's a very
>active list - and I know that some (many?) WPA AATG members are on the
>listserve but aren't members of PSMLA. If you could send me a e-version
>of the info, I'll post it right away.
>
>Anne Green
>amgreen at andrew.cmu.edu
>
>
Thekla Fall,  Ed.D.
fall at pps.pgh.pa.us
New PSMLA Web page   http://isnfs026.connelley-admin.pps.pgh.pa.us/psmla


From kel1 at columbia.edu  Thu May 21 21:26:47 1998
From: kel1 at columbia.edu (Kevin Eric Laney)
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 17:26:47 -0400
Subject: IEWS EastWest Leaders' Forum,
 "Financing Eurasian Energy for the 21't Century". (fwd)
Message-ID: <THU.21.MAY.1998.172647.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Subject: IEWS EastWest Leaders' Forum, "Financing Eurasian Energy for the 21't
 Century".

Dear Colleague,

We are extremely pleased to invite you to a major New York conference
focused on Eurasian energy development. On June 10 the Institute for
EastWest Studies will host the second EastWest Leaders' Forum, "Financing
Eurasian Energy for the 21't Century".

Vagit Alekperov, Chief Executive Officer and President of LUKoil, will be
the keynote luncheon speaker. In addition to Mr. Alekperov's luncheon
address, a powerful group of industry, financial and political leaders
will address the challenges of developing Eurasia's immense oil and gas
resources.

Please visit our Web site for details relating to this exciting
conference:

http://207.19.85.35/EWLF/EWLF.htm

PLEASE forward this message to all your colleagues!

We would greatly appreciate your help to distribute this announcement to
fellow colleagues for whom this conference maybe of interest.

Thank you.


From thebaron at interaccess.com  Thu May 21 23:39:16 1998
From: thebaron at interaccess.com (baron chivrin)
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 18:39:16 -0500
Subject: AIWA MX1
Message-ID: <THU.21.MAY.1998.183916.0500.>

dear seelangers--

i'm considering purchasing an aiwa mx1 video recorder which plays videos
in any format (pal, secam, ntsc). here's my question: will it work
properly with my cable tv hookup? the vendor has a very enlightened "all
sales final, no returns" policy, so i want to be sure before i ante up.

please reply to me off list.

spasibo zaranee.

baron chivrin
thebaron at interaccess.com


From yamato at yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp  Fri May 22 00:22:52 1998
From: yamato at yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp (Yoshimasa Tsuji)
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 09:22:52 +0900
Subject: AIWA MX1
In-Reply-To: <3564BB24.F9E11DE0@interaccess.com> (message from baron chivrin
 on Thu, 21 May 1998 18:39:16 -0500)
Message-ID: <FRI.22.MAY.1998.092252.0900.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I don't know what AIWA1 video recorder is, but here's one important
point you must make sure: there are two kinds of video recorders that
"play any format" -- with or without a format converter. If yours doesn't
have a format converter, it will read a PAL medium and output PAL
signals to your cathode ray tube. Make sure it is equipped with
a converter to NTSC format.
   In my case, I purchased a converter separately because the sum total
of a multi-video recorder/replayer plus a converter was substantially
smaller than a multi-video replayer with a converter built-in.
   There are also cathode ray tubes that understands "any format", but
you don't need this.

Cheers,
Tsuji


From a.jameson at dial.pipex.com  Fri May 22 16:55:23 1998
From: a.jameson at dial.pipex.com (Andrew Jameson)
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 17:55:23 +0100
Subject: Item for inclusion ICEES Newsletter
Message-ID: <FRI.22.MAY.1998.175523.0100.>

FORTHCOMING CONFERENCE

16-21 August 1999

Russian Language, Literature and Culture at the Turn
of the Century: IX International Congress of Teachers of
Russian Language and Literature

Bratislava, Slovak Republic

Organised by the Slovak branch of MAPRYAL (International
Association of Teachers of Russian Language and Literature)

Sections:
1. Linguistics
2. Literature
3. Methodology
4. Culture

There will be round tables on:
The new generation of textbooks
Translations of Pushkin.
19th August is declared Pushkin Day and there will be
a special event to celebrate this.

Abstracts were to be presented by 1st May 1998, but will
also be considered if sent up to June/July 1998.
"Lectures" up to 2 pages double-spaced;
"Communications" 1 page only double-spaced;
You may also offer a "Poster" session.

Address/Telephone/Fax:

Orgkomitet IX Kongressa MAPRYAL
Katedra rusistiky (ARS)
Fakulta humanitnych vied
Univerzita Mateja Bela
Tajovskeho 51
974 01 Banska Bystrica
Slovenska republika

Tel: 00421 887 33137
Fax: 00421 847 382 148


From brifkin at facstaff.wisc.edu  Fri May 22 22:44:53 1998
From: brifkin at facstaff.wisc.edu (Benjamin Rifkin)
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 17:44:53 -0500
Subject: call for papers
Message-ID: <FRI.22.MAY.1998.174453.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Colleagues:

I share with you the following call for papers for the 1999 Annual Volume of
the American Association of University Supervisors and Coordinators (AAUSC).
Please note that I am NOT one of the editors of the volume.

Please direct any queries about the volume to the editors (Lee and Valdman,
both at Indiana U.), whose e-mail addresses appear in the quoted message.

Ben Rifkin

> CALL FOR PAPERS
>
>I would like to bring to your attention the 1999 volume which James Lee
>and I are co-editing.  As the text below indicates, it focuses on the
>relationship of form to meaning in language instruction.
>
>We would welcome, particularly, articles which relate to the training of
>prospective FL teachers and the supervision and coordination of
>language instruction at the university level.
>
>If you are interested in participating in the volume, as we very much hope
>you are, please direct a one-page summary to James Lee
>(leejames at indiana.edu) with a copy to me (valdman at indiana.edu).
>
>---------
>
>PROSPECTUS
>
>I. Introduction
>
>        Current language instruction is characterized by an antinomy
>between communicative goals and a linear grammatical syllabus.  The
>belief persists among language teachers that effective communication
>requires the control of a set of grammatical features.  Furthermore, these
>features are to be taught according to a rigorous procedure involving
>explanation, mechanical drill, meaningful drill, and simulated
>communicative use.  In the final analysis, it is generally the presence of
>this latter phase that buttresses claims about the communicative nature
>of language instruction.
>As Carl Blyth has underscored, this view of the role of grammar rests on
>a combination of behaviorism, structural linguistics, and cognitive-code
>theory (1997:51).  Its also reduces the scope of grammar to isolated
>sentences rather than discourse and fails to link structural
>features--phonological and grammatical--to the functions performed by
>language, namely linking form with meaning, speech acts, and the
>marking of social identity.
>
>        In reaction to reductionist applications of research on untutored or
>naturalistic second language acquisition wherein the objective of formal
>language instruction was the negotiation of meaning in highly
>contextualized situations, there has emerged a return to emphasis on
>formal treatment of grammar bearing the label "focus on form".
>
>        VanPatten (1988) examined the evidence used to argue for or
>against a focus on form in language teaching, or more specifically,
>grammar teaching.  He ends his essay calling for a redirection of the
>debate.  He proposed that the debate on a focus of form in grammar
>teaching should not center on whether or not to teach grammar but
>rather on how to teach grammar.  In developing his ideas, he proposed
>what he termed "processing instruction", based in psycholinguistic
>research (Lee & VanPatten 1995): VanPatten 1996).  Processing
>instruction relies on structured input activities that direct language
>learners to process the input for meaning but, in so doing, they must also
>process it for form. Clearly this work has helped frame a contemporary
>discussion of form in language learning and teaching.
>
>
>II.  Volume Structure
>
>        A.  What is Form?  Area-Specific Perspectives
>
>        We envision beginning the volume with papers that define, describe,
>and account for the term "form" from different research domains (areas).
> The overall goal of this part of the volume is for teachers to understand
>the term "form" in its broadest application.  For example, we project that
>we will include works on grammatical form; form in pragmatics; textual
>form from both comprehension and production perspectives;
>sociolinguistic perspective on form, and so on.  The call for papers
>would encourage contributions in these and other areas on linguistic
>inquiry.
>
>        B.  Pedagogical Perspectives
>
>        We envision the second part of the volume expanding on the first.
>Once we establish what "form" is, we can extrapolate pedagogical
>principles to guide language teachers' thinking on this issue.  We would
>especially encourage works that demonstrate interconnections between
>form and meaning or provide clear rationale for focusing on form without
>focusing on meaning.
>%       In what ways are "form" and meaning connected?
>%       Do all "forms" carry meaning?
>%       Can "form" be taught in all domains?
>%       How can one teach sociolinguistically-appropriate "forms"?
>%       When should a focus on form come into the writing process?
>%       How can instruction maximize the acquisition of "forms" through
>           reading?

////////////////////////////////////////

Benjamin Rifkin

Associate Professor of Slavic Languages
Coordinator of Russian-Language Instruction

Department of Slavic Languages & Literatures
University of Wisconsin-Madison
1432 Van Hise Hall, 1220 Linden Dr.
Madison, WI  53706  USA

voice:  608/262-1623
fax:  608/265-2814
e-mail:  brifkin at facstaff.wisc.edu

\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\


From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Sat May 23 23:50:36 1998
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 19:50:36 -0400
Subject: Volunteers needed for archeological dig in Ukraine (fwd)
Message-ID: <SAT.23.MAY.1998.195036.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 20:01:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Center for Civil Society International <ccsi at u.washington.edu>
Reply-To: civilsoc at SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list <civilsoc at SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU>
Subject: Volunteers needed for archeological dig in Ukraine

    Volunteers needed for archeological dig in Ukraine

The Kamianets-Podilskyi Foundation is seeking 12 student volunteers
to participate in an archeological dig in Ukraine in summer 1998.
This dig will be in the city of Kamianets-Podilskyi and will run
from June 29 to August 14.  Once one of the most important late
Medieval and Renaissance citadels in Eastern Europe, Kamianets-
Podilskyi is today a city of 100,000 people located in western
Ukraine.

Volunteers will help find the remains of Medieval and Renaissance
structures, discover artifacts, and make maps of  the dig sites.
This year
s excavations will include a large merchant
s house that
overlooked the city
s central square.  Previous excavations of this
site yielded such artifacts as glass vessels, soup bowls from
Holland, and tea cups from China. Archeologists hope to continue
research into the city
s central square this summer.  Future
excavations will determine whether the square was founded by the
Romans in the third century A.D, as many claim.

Applicants of all backgrounds, age 18 and older are invited.
Applicants need not be fluent in Ukrainian, but must be in good
health and able to do physical labor in a hot, sunny climate.  A
sense of humor and a spirit of adventure are a must.  No previous
archeological experience is needed, but volunteers with such
experience will be readily accepted.

The Kamianets-Podilskyi Foundation is a non-profit organization
devoted to the study and preservation of that city
s cultural
heritage. The foundation is sponsoring these excavations in
cooperation with St. John Fisher College in New York, the University
of Alberta, the Lviv Institute of Social Sciences, the Lviv
Institute of Restoration, and the Kamianets-Podilskyi Historical-
Architectural Preserve.  The foundation has been leading
archeological expeditions for seven years.

Contact Information:

The Kamianets-Podilskyi Foundation
2033 Westfall Road
Rochester NY 14618
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From elenapol at ukim.edu.mk  Sun May 24 19:19:55 1998
From: elenapol at ukim.edu.mk (Paul Milan Foster, Jr.)
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 12:19:55 -0700
Subject: FYROM - Macedonia
Message-ID: <SUN.24.MAY.1998.121955.0700.>

Concerning the correct pronunciation of FYROM:

Sorry for the delay but after a quick survey of how FYROM is pronounced,
here in Skopje the overwhelming consesus is that FYROM is pronounced:

 1. Macedonia
 2. The Republic of Macedonia.
 3. Makedonija


se najubavo

Paul Foster


From natalia.pylypiuk at ualberta.ca  Sun May 24 16:55:43 1998
From: natalia.pylypiuk at ualberta.ca (Natalia Pylypiuk)
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 09:55:43 -0700
Subject: conference at the Univeristy of Alberta
Message-ID: <SUN.24.MAY.1998.095543.0700.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

The conference MAKING CONTACT: NATIVES, STRANGERS, AND BARBARIANS,
which includes topics of interest to Slavists,
will be held at the University of Alberta on October 1-3, 1998.

Attached please find a copy of a tentative schedule for the conference.
We will try to make as few changes to the schedule as
possible.  Starting and finishing times for the conference (that is,
Thursday afternoon to Saturday afternoon) will remain constant.

We should have registration information and forms out to you by the end of
June.  Updated copies of the schedule and other information about the
conference, as well as registration forms, should be on the Medieval and
Early Modern Institute's web site soon.  The web site address is
http://www.ualberta.ca/~englishd/MEMI.htm.

From 21 May to 15 June please address any questions about the conference to
Jonathan Hart, co-director of MEMI (jonathan.hart at ualberta.ca).

Posted by Natalia Pylypiuk, MEMI (member of the executive).

************************************************************************

MAKING CONTACT: NATIVES, STRANGERS, AND BARBARIANS

CONFERENCE SCHEDULE
(** indicate Slavic topics)

THURSDAY, 1st. October, 1998

2:30-5:30   REGISTRATION


4:00-5:30   CONCURRENT SESSIONS

1.  David Gay (English, Alberta), " The Border of Painting, Poetry and Film
in Ken McMullen's  R: The Dutchman"
     Richard Young (Modern Languages, Alberta), "Reading the Past in the
Present: Cabeza de  Vaca in History and Film"
     Garrett Epp (English, Alberta), "Jarman's Edward II"

2.  Rachel Warburton (English, Alberta), "Syphilitic Authority"
     Jim Ellis (English, Calgary), "Politics of Erotics in Male Friendship
Texts"
     Stephen Guy-Bray (English, British Columbia), "Sir Launfal as Male
Impersonator"

3.  Paul De Pasquale (English, Alberta), "The Myth of the Golden Age
Reconsidered:  Predicaments in Representing the New World for the English
Travel Writer, 1584-1610"
     Lesley Cormack (History and Classics, Alberta), "The Theatre of the
Empire of Great Britain:  Geography and the Creation of Britain"
     Rick Lee (English, Rutgers),  "'I could not but fall in love with
myselfe': Stylizations of  Selfhood in Pierre Esprit Radisson's Voyages"


7:30-8:30   PUBLIC LECTURE, Provincial Museum of Alberta
                  Olive Dickason (History, Ottawa),
                  "Iron Men, True Men, and the Art of Treaty-Making"


8:30-10:00   RECEPTION and TOUR
                     Syncrude Gallery of Native History,
                     Provincial Museum of Alberta


FRIDAY, 2nd. October, 1998

8:00-9:00   REGISTRATION

9:00-10:30 a.m.   CONCURRENT SESSIONS

1.  Mary Baine Campbell (English, Brandeis), "Fashion and Anthropology: The
Case  of Maculophobia"
     Leanne Groeneveld (English, Alberta), "Agency and the Playing of the
Sacrament:  The Miracle in The Croxton Play of the Sacrament as Masochistic
Fantasy"
     Klaus Neuman (Australian National University), "European Cannibals"

2.  Carolyn Ives (English, Alberta) and David Parkinson (English,
Saskatchewan), "The Fountain  and Very Being of Truth: James VI and the
Development of Scottish National Identity"
     James Knapp (English, Rochester), "Fantasies of the Primitive in John
Derrickes's Image of  Ireland"
     Stephen King (English, Alberta), "'A Prentise in the Divine Art of
Poesie': James VI's  Artistic and Political Coming of Age"

3.  Andrew Taylor (English, Saskatchewan), "The Harley Manual as a Site of
Trade"
     Sian Echard (English, British Columbia), "Bracketing the Text: Readers'
Interventions in Gower's Confession Amantis"
     Iain Higgins (English, British Columbia), "Wondering Where the Borders
Are within and  across Manuscripts and Versions: The Case of  The Book of
John Mandeville"

10:30-11:00    COFFEE

11:00-12:30    CONCURRENT SESSIONS

1.  Haijo Westra (Greek, Latin, and Ancient History, Calgary), "Status and
Function of  Medieval Latin vis à vis the Vernacular"
    ** Gunter Schaarschmidt (Slavonic Studies, Victoria), "Contact and
Influence in a Co-Territorial Situation: Sorbian and German"
     John Considine (English, Alberta), "Language Contact and Language
Extinction in Early Modern Europe"

2.  Linda Woodbridge (English, Pennsylvania State), "Vagrancy"
     Pamela Stanton (History and Classics, Alberta), "'High Politics' and
'Family Politics' in Sixteenth-Century Southwest England"
     Ron Cooley (English, Saskatchewan), "'Outlandish Gums' and 'Home Bred
Things': George Herberts Country Parson and the Domestic Exotic"
     Sylvia Brown (English, Alberta), "The Lost Sons of Adam: Letters from
the Corporation for  Promoting the Gospel amongst the Heathen in New
England, 1657"

3.  Nina Taunton (English, Brunel), "A Camp 'Well Planted': Chapman's Caesar
and Pompey: Unstable Borders and Constructions of Space in 1590s Discourses
of War"
    **Maryna Kravets (Near and Middle Eastern Civilizations, Toronto),
"Aliens' Experience in Early Modern Muscovy: Muslim War Captives"
    Martina Mittag (Siegen, Germany), "Territories of Race and Gender in
Early Modern Discourse"
   ** Natalia Pylypiuk (Modern Languages, Alberta), "Vocabularies of Identity:
Catholics, Orthodox and Muslims in Early Modern Ukraine."

12:30-2:00   LUNCH (not included in conference registration)

2:00-3:30   CONCURRENT SESSIONS

1.  Robert Upchurch (English, CUNY-Graduate Centre), "Boundaries of Time and
Text on the Hereford and Ebstorf Mappaemundi"
     Scott Westrem (English, CUNY-Lehman College and the Graduate Centre),
"Africa Unbounded on an Unstudied European Mappamundi (c.1450) and in
Related Cartography"
    Andrew Gow (History and Classics, Alberta), "Fra Mauro, Authority and
Empiricism:  Medieval and Early Modern World Views in a Fifteenth-Century
Mappamundi"

2.  Mary Polito (English, York), "Elizabeth Barton and the Performance and
Performativity  of Protest"
     Mathew Martin (English, Alberta), "Roast Pig, Alligator Piss, and
Vapours: The Seductive Grotesquerie in Bartholomew Fair"
     Gregory M. Semenza (English, Pennsylvania State), "Sans Sans, I Pray
You: Renaissance Comedy and English Language Planning"

3.  Ted Binnema (History and Classics, Alberta), "The Clash of Cultures?:
Ethnic as Deus ex Machina of Native North American History"
      Nicole Petrin (independent scholar, Toronto) "Dagobert, Samo, and the
Fur Trade"
      **Roman Kovalev (History, Minnesota) and Thomas Noonan (History,
Minnesota), "The Structure of the Fur Trade in Northern Russia in the
Pre-Modern Era"

3:30-4:00   COFFEE

4:00-5:30   PLENARY ADDRESS
                   Kathleen Biddick (History, Notre-Dame),
                   "Becoming Collection: The Spatial Afterlife of Medieval
Universal Histories"

5:30-7:00  RECEPTION and BOOK DISPLAY
                  Bruce Peel Special Collections Library, University of Alberta


SATURDAY, 3rd. October, 1998

9:00-10:30   CONCURRENT SESSIONS

1.  Ayako Nakai (Comparative Culture and Literature, Aoyoma-Gakuin Women's
Junior College, Japan), "European Missionaries and the Japanese"
     Sonja Arntzen (East Asian Studies, Alberta), "China and Japan"
     Eileen Chia-Ching Fung (English, UC-Santa Barbara), "Construction of
Oriental Nativism and Occidental Tourism in Marco Polo's Travels"

2.  Jacqueline Jenkins (English, Calgary), "Popular Devotion and Medieval
Laywomen Readers"
     Kate Currey (English, West of England), "Joan of Arc and the Jesuits"
     Rosalind Kerr (Drama, Alberta), "Borderline Crossings: Dissecting
Isabella Andreini's Queer Bodies"

3.  Silvia Shannon (History, St. Anselm, MA), "From Trade to Conversion:
Patterns of French Interaction with the Tupinamba in Brazil, 1555-1615"
     Peter Cook (History, McGill), "The Evolution of Intercultural Diplomacy
in the St. Lawrence Valley, 1603-1667"
     John Pollack (English, Pennsylvania), "1632. Year of Textual Discovery
in New France"

10:30-11:00   COFFEE

11:00-12:30   PLENARY ADDRESS
         ** David Frick (Slavic Languages and Literatures,
UC-Berkeley),  "Vilnius, 1640: Peoples, Confessions, and Languages
in Contact"

12:30-2:00   LUNCH (not included in conference registration)

2:00-3:30   CONCURRENT SESSIONS

1.  Aaron Hughes (Religious Studies, Indiana), "Self as Other: Construction
of Jewish Identity in  Al-Andalus"
     Jill Caskey (Fine Art, Toronto), "Images of Jews in the Kingdom of
Sicily ca. 1300"
     Steven Kruger (English, Alberta), "When the Stranger is Your Parent:
Medieval Jews and Christians in Dialogue"

2.  J. H. Barrett (Anthropology, Toronto), "Culture Contact and Colonisation
in Viking Scotland: An Archeological Contribution to the Recognition of
Changing Identities"
      ** Florin Curta (History, Western Michigan), "Slav-Roman Contacts During
the Sixth Century"
      David Townsend (Centre for Medieval Studies, Toronto), "Nation and the
Gaze of the Other  in Eighth Century Northumbria"

3.  Joseph Grossi (English, Ohio State), "Marvelous Ethnography: The
Alliterative Morte Arthure and England's Advance on Italy"
      Ana Pairet (French, Rutgers), "Généalogie, identité et transgression:
des usages de la merveille"
      Deanne Williams (English, Stanford), "Babylon Revisited:
Nebuchadnezzar in Middle English Literature"

3:30-4:00   COFFEE

4:00-5:30    ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION and CLOSING COMMENTS

7:30   BANQUET (cost not included in conference registration)


****************************************************

Natalia Pylypiuk, Book Review Editor
Canadian Slavonic Papers,
Department of Modern Languages & Cultural Studies:
Germanic, Romance and Slavic
200 Arts Building,  University of Alberta
Edmonton, AB T6G 2E6
Canada

****************************************************

office phone & voice mail:     (403)  492 - 3498
departmental fax:                      (403)  492 - 9106

e-mail address:                       natalia.pylypiuk at ualberta.ca

www.ualberta.ca/~uklanlit/Homepage.html

****************************************************


From gfowler at indiana.edu  Mon May 25 16:13:15 1998
From: gfowler at indiana.edu (George Fowler)
Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 10:13:15 -0600
Subject: Program & Info: Workshop on Comparative Slavic Morphosyntax
Message-ID: <MON.25.MAY.1998.101315.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

WORKSHOP on COMPARATIVE SLAVIC MORPHOSYNTAX

PROGRAM and PRACTICAL INFORMATION

McCormick's Creek State Park
Spenser, Indiana
5-7 June 1998

Indiana University and the U.S. Dept. of Education are pleased to sponsor
this workshop. Earlier this winter and spring five "position papers" were
published at our www site

<http://www.indiana.edu/~slavconf/linguistics/index.html>

The position papers aimed to summarize the state of knowledge on five
crucial topics within the general rubric of Comparative Slavic
Morphosyntax, and responses were solicited addressing these papers. The
Workshop brings together the authors of the position papers and the
respondants in an intimate, retreat-like setting. Non-respondants are
welcome to attend; see below for details. The position papers and responses
will be published by Slavica Publishers.

FRIDAY, 5 JUNE 1998

SESSION 1: Wh-Phrases and Wh-Movement in Slavic

1:00 pm   Zeljko Boskovic, U. of Connecticut (Position Paper)
1:30      Discussion

Responses:

1:45      Norvin Richards, U. of Massachusetts
          Focusing on Serbo-Croatian and Not on Bulgarian
2:10      Jeong-Seok Kim, University of Connecticut
          Superiority Effects in Multiple WH-fronting
2:35      Michael Yadroff, Indiana University
          Wh-movement and Superiority in Russian
2:50      Sandra Stjepanovic, University of Connecticut
          Movement of Wh-Phrases in Serbo-Croatian Matrix Clauses
3:15      General Discussion
3:45      Arthur Stepanov, University of Connecticut
          Scope-Marking Interrogatives in Slavic
4:10      Sue Brown, Harvard University
          Attract-All and Its Relevance for Negative Concord
4:35      Piotr Banski, Indiana University and Warsaw University
          Wh-Movement in Polish
5:00      Loren Billings, Carnegie-Mellon University
          Catherine Rudin, Wayne State College
          Animacy and Focus in Bulgarian Wh-Questions
5:25      General Discussion

6:15      PICNIC DINNER (see below)

SATURDAY, 6 JUNE 1998:

SESSION 2: Agreement in Slavic

8:30 am   Greville G. Corbett, U. of Sussex (Position Paper)
9:00      Discussion
Responses:

9:15      Wayles Browne, Cornell University
          Agreement with Infinitive Subjects in Slavic
9:40      Jens Norgard-Sorensen, University of Copenhagen
          Animacy as an Agreement Category
10:05     Stephen Wechsler, University of Texas
          Larisa Zlatic, University of Texas
          Sentential and Discourse Agreement in Serbo-Croatian
10:30     Natasha Borovikova, DePauw University and Indiana University
          First-Conjunct Agreement with Unaccusative Verbs in Russian
10:55     Kim Gareiss, University of Chicago
          Linguistic Ideology and the Loss of Slavic Agreement: The Case
          of the Macedonian Relativizer
11:20     Discussion

12:00     LUNCH

SESSION 3: Voice and Diathesis in Slavic

1:15      Leonard H. Babby, Princeton University
1:45      Discussion

Responses:

2:00      James Lavine, Princeton University
          Stephanie Harves, Princeton University
          Loren Billings, Carnegie Mellon University
          Syntax and Diathesis: A Response to L.H. Babby's "Voice and
          Diathesis in Slavic"
2:25      George Fowler, Indiana University
          -Sja, -En, and the Vagaries of Diathesis: Why Should ASPECT
          Have Anything to Do with it Anyway?
2:40      Marina Yu. Chertkova, Lomonosov Moscow University
          The Passive Voice, and By-Aspectual Verbs
3:05      Milena Slavcheva, Bulgarian Academy of Sciences
          Some Reflections on Voice and Diathesis
3:20      General Discussion

SESSION 4: The Slavic Noun Phrase

4:00      Gilbert C. Rappaport, University of Texas, Austin
4:30      Discussion

Responses:

4:45      Larisa Zlatic, University of Texas
          Slavic Noun Phrases Are NPs, not DPs
5:10      Michael Yadroff, Indiana University
          The Structure of NP in Slavic and UG
5:25      Miriam Engelhardt, Jerusalem
          Helen Trugman, CTEH, Holon
          Double Genitive Constructions in Russian
5:50      George Fowler, Indiana University
          What's at the Top of NP: KP, PP, and the Nature of
          Transitional Categories
6:05      Sandra Stjepanovic, University of Connecticut
          Extraction of Adjuncts out of NPs
6:20      General Discussion

SUNDAY 7 JUNE 1998

SESSION 5: Clitics in Slavic

8:30      Steven Franks, Indiana University
9:00      Discussion

Responses:

9:15      Ljiljana Progovac, Wayne State University
          Clitic-Second and Verb-Second
9:40      Olga Tomic, University of Novi Sad
          Against Clitic Lowering
10:05     Peter Kosta, Universitaet Potsdam
          On the Syntax of Negation and Clitics in Slavic
10:30     Iva Schick, Universitaet Potsdam
          Clitic Doubling Constructions in Balkan-Slavic Languages
11:05     Geraldine Legendre, Johns Hopkins University
          Generalized Optimality-Theoretic Alignment: The Case of
          Macedonian Clitics
11:30     General Discussion
12:00     Karel Oliva, University of Saarland
          Just Czech Clitics Data, or a Closer Look at the "Position
          Paper: Clitics in Slavic" (10)
12:15     Matthew Richardson, Yale University
          Czech Clitics as Phrasal Inflection
12:40     Piotr Banski, Indiana University and Warsaw University
          Verbal Clitics in Polish
1:05      General Discussion

LOCATION

The Workshop will be held at McCormick's Creek State Park, near Spenser,
Indiana, about 15 miles west of Bloomington, Indiana (home of Indiana
University) along highway 46.

PRACTICAL ARRANGEMENTS

There is NO registration fee for the Workshop, but we ask that you inform
us in advance if you plan to attend, so that we can make appropriate
arrangements for the included meals (see below).

We will have a single large room, with classroom-style seating (tables
facing the front). We will have an overhead projector, so speakers may
prepare transparencies if they like, as well as an easel with poster-sized
paper to write on if you prefer. We recommend that you bring 40 handouts
with you if possible. Limited Xeroxing facilities are available for 10
cents/copy at the site, but it is better not to count on this.

AIR: You should fly in and out of Indianapolis. We will provide free
airport transportation if you communicate your arrival and departure
information in advance. As an emergency backup (in case of serious flight
delays or if your ride's car should break down and strand you at the
airport), there is reasonably priced shuttle service to Bloomington from
the Ground Transportation Center at the airport. We don't expect this to be
an issue, but just in case, the shuttle schedule is given below. If you are
not met as expected call the Slavica Publishers office at 1-812-856-4186 to
communicate your problem.

DRIVING: If you arrive by car from the north or east, exit I-465 (the
circle road around Indianapolis) onto highway 67 at the SW corner of the
city, and head south about 45 miles; turn south (left) only highway 231
about 10 miles north of Spenser, and at the first stoplight in Spenser (one
of only three!) turn left (east) onto highway 46. Go two miles, then turn
left into the park at a well-marked entrance. At the gate, state that your
are arriving for the Slavic Workshop, and they will admit you without the
$2 admission charge). The Canyon Inn is about 1 km into the park along the
main road, and it is well marked.

If you arrive from the south, take I-65 to highway 46 at Columbus, Indiana.
Exit west (left) and travel 50-60 miles through Bloomington to the park,
which will be on the right just before Spenser.

>>From the west, take I-70 towards Indianapolis, and exit onto highway 231.
Travel about 30 miles south to Spenser, then follow the directions above.

>>From Bloomington, Spenser is 15 miles to the west along highway 46 (drive
west on 17th St, which becomes 46 as it leaves Bloomington).

Email me if you require additional transportation information!

ACCOMMODATIONS

The workshop will be held at the Canyon Inn on the territory of McCormick's
Creek State Park. Two types of rooms are available:

1 double bed ($60/night)
2 single beds ($60/night as single, $30/person/night as double)

The rooms are small but quite nice, all with air conditioning, private
bath, color TV, and the usual furnishings.

We have contracted to pay the Inn directly for our block of rooms (thus
saving all taxes, since we are a tax-exempt organization!), and therefore
you should make reservations with us via email, fax, etc., and plan to pay
us for your room upon arrival at the Workshop. We prefer checks, if
possible, but will take cash happily and can take credit cards if there is
no other alternative (we will have to handle this through Slavica, as if
you were purchasing books instead of paying for the room).

The Canyon Inn has a swimming pool, and various outdoor recreation
facilities are available (hiking through the woods, horseback riding for a
fee, etc.), so pack accordingly if you plan to take advantage of these
opportunities during the Workshop! Expect hot and humid weather, with daily
temperatures reaching or exceeding 30 degrees Celsius.

Overflow rooms are available at the Patriot Inn, about 1 km from the park
entrance. These rooms cost about $44 single plus $4-5 per additional person
in room. They are not as nice as the Canyon Inn rooms, and staying away
from the workshop diminishes the coziness of the Workshop experience, so we
will not use them unless we run out of space at the Canyon Inn (and this
does not appear to be a problem at the moment). If you have to stay there,
we will provide transportation to and from the conference site.

If you want to stay in Bloomington for a few days before or after the
workshop, we have blocked some rooms in Eigenmann Hall, a graduate
dormitory with single rooms, on-premises cafeteria, and within walking
distance of our library. Rooms cost about $28/day (food is not included),
and may be paid for by credit card, cash, or checks. You should request
these rooms through me in advance of the Workshop, specifying arrival and
departure dates.

FOOD

The conference will provide the following meals at no charge to
participants (if you are accompanied by a spouse or children, they are
welcome to join us but you must pay for their food; email me for details).
It is VERY important that I have an exact count BEFORE the conference, as I
must provide this information to the Canyon Inn, so please keep me informed
of your plans

Friday evening: outdoor picnic dinner (barbecue chicken
                and ribs, various other dishes; vegetarians
                can feast on salads etc.; indoors if it rains)

Saturday morning: coffee/juice/pastries/fruit at the conference
                  room

Saturday lunch: buffet with sandwiches, salads, beverages, etc.

Sunday morning: same as Saturday morning.

Saturday evening and Sunday lunch are NOT provided for. I figure many
people might want to go to a restaurant in Bloomington, but there is a
decent restaurant in the Canyon Inn as well, and one pleasant-looking
hilltop restaurant in Spenser as well.

**************************************************************************
George Fowler                                  [Email] gfowler at indiana.edu
Dept. of Slavic Languages          [dept. tel.] 1-812-855-9906/-2608/-2624
Ballantine 502                                  [dept. fax] 1-812-855-2107
Indiana University                   [home phone/fax] 1-317-726-1482/-1642
Bloomington, IN 47405-6616 USA    [Slavica phone/fax] 1-812-856-4186/-4187
**************************************************************************


From lqg00 at eng.amdahl.com  Tue May 26 00:08:37 1998
From: lqg00 at eng.amdahl.com (Lev Gluhovski)
Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 20:08:37 EDT
Subject: looking for addresses
Message-ID: <MON.25.MAY.1998.200837.EDT.>

Dear Seelangers
        Can anybody help me locate two German Slavists who have written about
Chekhov.  There names are Wolfgang Pailer and Ingrid Dlugosch.
Unfortunately, I don't know with which universities they are
associated.  I need their addresses, but even knowing which university
would be a help.
        Please send your answers directly to my e-mail number.  I will be
grateful for any leads.

Joanna Kot
Assoc. prof. of Russian
Northern Illinois University
tc0jxk1 at corn.cso.niu.edu


From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Tue May 26 10:41:17 1998
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 06:41:17 -0400
Subject: Internship at IREX (fwd)
Message-ID: <TUE.26.MAY.1998.064117.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Have not had time to post this yet.....

Devin P Browne
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu

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From aisrael at american.edu  Tue May 26 12:49:36 1998
From: aisrael at american.edu (Alina Israeli)
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:49:36 -0400
Subject: Program & Info
Message-ID: <TUE.26.MAY.1998.084936.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

George,

Could Marina Chertkova present her paper in Russian, or does she have to
translate it into English?

I must say that I had (and still am having) a great deal of problem
printing for her the position papers. I duly started with Babby, it did
great the first page (the acrobat), and then on all of the following pages
it put stretches (as if bad fax) in the second half of the page only.

Whether I manage to get it done or not, I am asking on behalf of Marina,
when she gets there, could you provide her with the written copies of as
many talks as possible? She naturally has a harder time of it grasping the
oral. Thanks.

Alina


From aisrael at american.edu  Tue May 26 12:52:50 1998
From: aisrael at american.edu (Alina Israeli)
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:52:50 -0400
Subject: Program & Info: Workshop on Comparative Slavic Morphosyntax
Message-ID: <TUE.26.MAY.1998.085250.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I apologize, result of undersleeping and fighting with the "acrobat".

alina


From lmalcolm at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca  Tue May 26 14:49:13 1998
From: lmalcolm at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (L Malcolm)
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:49:13 -0600
Subject: Croatian Language Resources
In-Reply-To: <v01540b02b1903387ab2a@[208.220.24.113]>
Message-ID: <TUE.26.MAY.1998.084913.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Hi. I have a friend who did her masters thesis in conflict resolution and
has been accepted as an intern to help with a conflict management agency in
Croatia. She has a background in Russian, so is familiar with Slavic
Languages. Can anybody suggest any resources (internet or otherwise) that
would be helpful to her? Though it is not required, she obviously would like
to begin to learn Croatian before she goes to Zagreb. Thanks!

Lindsay Malcolm
lmalcolm at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca


From jjryan at students.wisc.edu  Wed May 27 21:48:55 1998
From: jjryan at students.wisc.edu (Jennifer J. Ryan)
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 16:48:55 -0500
Subject: Slide sets?
Message-ID: <WED.27.MAY.1998.164855.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Seelangers:

Does anyone know of a source for obtaining sets of 35 mm slides related to
our region?  I'm looking to buy sets of good-quality images of street
scenes, architecture, the countryside, historical figures, etc. for the
lending library of our Center for Russia, East Europe, and Central Asia. My
Web searches so far have led to any number of commercial sites related to
medicine and outer space, but nothing for culture and area studies.

Any leads would be greatly appreciated.

--Jennifer

*******************************
Jennifer J. Ryan--Outreach Coordinator
Center for Russia, East Europe, and Central Asia
210 Ingraham Hall, 1155 Observatory Dr.
Madison, WI 53706
tel. (608) 262-3379 fax. (608) 265-3062
creeca3 at macc.wisc.edu
http://polyglot.lss.wisc.edu/creeca/


From lmalcolm at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca  Thu May 28 02:44:20 1998
From: lmalcolm at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Lindsay Malcolm)
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:44:20 -0600
Subject: Silver Age Poetry Web sites??
In-Reply-To: <v03007801b19237a54545@[144.92.209.120]>
Message-ID: <WED.27.MAY.1998.204420.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Hi. I am creating a web page for a course that will be a brief introduction
to Symbolism, Acmeism and Futurism. Does anybody know of any good already
existing sites that I should provide links to? I have been searching, but
you always manage to miss some. Thanks! And thanks to those who have
replied with very helpful info  about Croatian resources.

Lindsay Malcolm
lmalcolm at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca


From bmcclell at irex.ru  Thu May 28 06:32:19 1998
From: bmcclell at irex.ru (Bruce A. McClelland)
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 02:32:19 -0400
Subject: SEELANGS Digest - 26 May 1998 to 27 May 1998 (#1998-141)
In-Reply-To: <199805280413.EAA25362@ns.irex.ru>
Message-ID: <THU.28.MAY.1998.023219.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Silver Age Poetry Web site:

The full text of Osip Mandelstam's second published collection of poetry,
TRISTIA, is online through the Electronic Text Center at University of
Virginia. At this site (http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/cyrillic/index.html)
are both Cyrillic (KOI-8) and transliterated versions of the text, as well
as digitized images of the text as printed in 1921. Also available are my
translations of the poems, and notes to the text, a preface, and
translator's note.

I have marked up the text in SGML TEI-Lite, and it is fully searchable in
Cyrillic, transliteration (based on George Fowler's scheme), and English.

One caveat for prospective readers is that, although I have corrected most
of the egregious translation errors of the second (1987) edition (thank
you, Dr. Borenstein), I left the country before I was able to complete the
project. Therefore, there are lacunae in the annotation, and perhaps some
glitches (e.g. typos) in the text itself. If I ever get out of Moscow, I
will return to upgrade the project, but we (the Electronic Text Center and
I) decided it would be best to release the text as is, rather than wait
until I get time to polish it up.

Hope it helps.

I should mention, by the way, that I have been discussing with Pavel Nerler
of the Mandelstamovskoe Obshchestvo the possibility of putting the full
text of Mandelstam's collected works (4 vv) online. We have the text in
electronic form; now all we need is a bit of free time.

--Bruce McClelland
Director, Internet Programs
IREX/Moscow
>
>Date:    Wed, 27 May 1998 20:44:20 -0600
>From:    Lindsay Malcolm <lmalcolm at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>
>Subject: Silver Age Poetry Web sites??
>
>Hi. I am creating a web page for a course that will be a brief introduction
>to Symbolism, Acmeism and Futurism. Does anybody know of any good already
>existing sites that I should provide links to? I have been searching, but
>you always manage to miss some. Thanks! And thanks to those who have
>replied with very helpful info  about Croatian resources.
>
>Lindsay Malcolm
>lmalcolm at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca
>


From ewb2 at cornell.edu  Thu May 28 16:08:01 1998
From: ewb2 at cornell.edu (Wayles Browne)
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 12:08:01 -0400
Subject: The Fourth N. American-Macedonian Conference
Message-ID: <THU.28.MAY.1998.120801.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>Status: U
>X-Sender: ce.kramer at mailbox40.utcc.utoronto.ca (Unverified)
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>To: belyavsk at depauw.edu, rdgreenb at imap.unc.edu, bdarden at midway.uchicago.edu,
>        gfielder at ccit.arizona.edu, crudin at wscgate.wsc.edu,
>        ewb2 at cornell.edu (Wayles Browne), kgareiss at midway.uchicago.edu,
>        vfinn at freenet.columbus.oh.us, rdimova at leland.stanford.edu,
>        mjseraph at islander.whidbey.net, vfriedman at midway.uchicago.edu,
>        ldanfort at abacus.bates.edu, jneikirk at mail.house.state.oh.us,
>        mcv4 at midway.uchicago.edu
>From: ce.kramer at utoronto.ca (Christina E. Kramer)
>Subject: The Fourth N. American-Macedonian Conference
>Date:  Thu, 28 May 1998 11:45:22 -0400
>
>I have received a fax from Macedonia reporting that the Fourth
>Conference,entitled "Makedonski Jazik, literatura, i kultura" will take
>place in Ohrid, Macedonia, Aug. 2000.  Originally the date was set to
>coincide with the ending of the summer seminar, but I have been told that
>the date will shift to the beginning of August to accomodate people who
>will be in Finland for a conference at the end of July. I will be the N.
>American coordinator of this conference so if you wish to be on the list of
>potential participants please respond to this mailing and I will keep you
>on file. Also, please post this to relevant lists - e.g. SEESA.  With best
>wishes, Christina Kramer
>


From djbpitt+ at pitt.edu  Thu May 28 16:31:48 1998
From: djbpitt+ at pitt.edu (David J Birnbaum)
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 12:31:48 -0400
Subject: OCR recommendation?
Message-ID: <THU.28.MAY.1998.123148.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Colleagues,

Can anyone recommend a trainable OCR package that works well with Cyrillic
and with Eastern European Latin-alphabet writing? Trainability is
important, since we'd like to be able to train it to handle OCS and other
uncommon writing systems. WinNT or Mac preferred, but we'll consider other
platforms if the software justifies it.

Thanks,

David
________________________________________________________________________

Professor David J. Birnbaum     email: djbpitt+ at pitt.edu
Department of Slavic Languages  url:   http://clover.slavic.pitt.edu/~djb/
1417 Cathedral of Learning      voice: 1-412-624-5712
University of Pittsburgh        fax:   1-412-624-9714
Pittsburgh, PA 15260 USA


From ddiduck at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca  Thu May 28 17:32:02 1998
From: ddiduck at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Darusia Antoniuk)
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:32:02 -0600
Subject: Exchange Programs
Message-ID: <THU.28.MAY.1998.113202.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

INFORMATION NEEDED ON EXCHANGE PROGRAMS
I am currently studying the sustainability of exchange programs between
Canada and Ukraine and would appreciate any information about exchange
programs to Eastern Europe.  Of particular interest are programs which have
existed for a number of years and have developed a strong infrastructure.


Darusia Antoniuk
Assistant Developer
Ukrainian Language Education Centre
Canadian Institute of Ukrainian Studies
352 Athabasca Hall
University of Alberta
Edmonton, AB, T6G 2E8
telephone (403) 492-2904
fax (403) 492-4967
email ddiduck at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca


From wolf at umich.edu  Thu May 28 17:51:28 1998
From: wolf at umich.edu (Erika Wolf)
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:51:28 -0400
Subject: IMLI Archive
Message-ID: <THU.28.MAY.1998.135128.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I am about to depart for Moscow on a follow-up research trip for my
dissertation. During my previous trips, I did not attempt to work in
the archive at IMLI, as it was "temporarily" closed. Does anyone know the
present status of this archive, or how one might gain access in the
present circumstances?

Any insight or information would be most appreciated!


Erika M. Wolf

WORK:                                   HOME:
Department of Art and Art History       2452 Stone Road
Wayne State University                  Ann Arbor, MI 48105
150 Art Building, 450 Reuther Mall
Detroit, MI 48202
Office phone:   313-577-5967            Home phone: 734-763-7078
Office fax:     313-577-3491
*****************************************************************


From bhorowit at unlinfo.unl.edu  Thu May 28 19:10:57 1998
From: bhorowit at unlinfo.unl.edu (brian horowitz)
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:10:57 -0500
Subject: Russian VISA
In-Reply-To: <no.id> from "Erika Wolf" at May 28, 98 01:51:28 pm
Message-ID: <THU.28.MAY.1998.141057.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELANGERS,

     I have a student who would like to go to St. Petersburg for a
month this summer to study on his own and get a feel for the culture.
But, and here's the BUT, he needs a visa or an invitation to get a
visa. Can anyone tell me if there are VISA services, can one "buy" a
visa to go to Russia?

     Please answer off line to the student directly.
David Bitenieks: kinghell13 at aol.com

     Sincerely, Brian Horowitz, U. of Nebraska


From Jerry_Ervin at compuserve.com  Thu May 28 23:01:21 1998
From: Jerry_Ervin at compuserve.com (Jerry Ervin)
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 19:01:21 -0400
Subject: Joe Malik
Message-ID: <THU.28.MAY.1998.190121.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I regret to inform SEELANGS readers that Joe Malik, Jr., long-time
Executive Secretary of AATSEEL, died early this morning in Tucson, Arizona.
 His health had not been good for much of the past year.  Information about
the memorial service and the family's wishes will be posted here as it
becomes available.

*  *  *  *  *
Gerard L. (Jerry) Ervin
Executive Director, American Ass'n of Teachers of 
Slavic & E European Languages (AATSEEL)
1933 N. Fountain Park Dr., Tucson, AZ 85715 USA
Phone/fax:  520/885-2663
Email:  76703.2063 at compuserve.com
AATSEEL Home Page: <http://clover.slavic.pitt.edu/~aatseel/>
*  *  *  *  *


From yamato at yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp  Fri May 29 01:15:38 1998
From: yamato at yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp (Yoshimasa Tsuji)
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:15:38 +0900
Subject: OCR recommendation?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.3.96L.980528122432.6985E-100000@unixs-eval.cis.pitt.edu> (message from David J Birnbaum on Thu,
 28 May 1998 12:31:48 -0400)
Message-ID: <FRI.29.MAY.1998.101538.0900.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

FineReader Professional (http://www.bitsoft.ru) is
the only choice.  I have taught it to replace jat' by "@e",
fita by "@f", etc. and am so very satisfied with it that I have
not checked if they have released a new version.

FineReader Standard, CuneiForm (try http://www.cognitive.ru) are
also excellent products (for Mac users, MacTiger, the Mac version
of CuneiForm is the only choice). Their accuracy is almost
at the ceiling level (words with three or more letters are correctly
read -- two or three errors in a 300 KB text; recognition of words
with two or fewer letters is rather poor -- 90 per cent for a beautiful
print. My guess is the bare bone recognition capability, that is without
guessing from the spelling -- is 95 per cent, which means about fifteen
errors in a page. All of these OCRs understand some forty languages and
directly output spread sheet in Excel format, etc., but FineReaderPro
excels in many ways: trainability, handwritten text, capability
of creating databases directly from a custom formatted OCR paper such as
"marked sheets", etc.

Try those programs by downloading from the sites I have quoted.

Cheers,
Tsuji


P.S.
If we have got a proper spelling checker, we could OCR a book of three
hundred pages in a day's work. Unfortunately there's no such thing
available. I have written a basic algorithm for a decent spelling
checker but neither time/money nor a help has been available for me,
unfortunately. I wonder if you know of a student who might help me
(we don't have specialists of formal grammar here, so asking students
whether they know of Zaliznjak is a waste of time. Besides I am
teaching economics and my acquaintances are mostly maths people, which
is why I can't get grants for linguistic researches.
  Replace "po" by "no" in a Russian text and see whether your favorite
spelling checker says anything. Humans think it is a typo, but how's
your software? If it does, let me know, please.


From SLBAEHR at VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU  Fri May 29 01:41:21 1998
From: SLBAEHR at VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU (Steve Baehr)
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 21:41:21 EDT
Subject: GTA Available for SEEJ Editorial Assistant
Message-ID: <THU.28.MAY.1998.214121.EDT.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

PLEASE BRING THE FOLLOWING GRADUATE TEACHING ASSISTANTSHIP POSITION
TO THE ATTENTION OF ANY QUALIFIED STUDENTS. Thanks.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

The Department of English at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and
State University has agreed to assign a GTA to
+Slavic and East European Journal+, which will move to Virginia
Tech for three years during the 1998-99 academic year.

As of the moment, the Department does not have any students
in their program with background in Russian language and literature.
If anyone knows of an excellent student with this background who
may still be considering an M.A. program in English and Comparative
Literature beginning in the 1998-99 academic year and who
might be interested in and qualified for this GTA,
please ask him or her to contact the Director of Graduate Studies
in the English Dept. as soon as possible:
Prof. Peter Graham, Department of English, Virginia Tech,
Blacksburg, VA 24061-0112. E-mail: pegraham at vt.edu
The Department has two specialists in Slavic literatures and a number
of other specialists in comparative literature and literary theory,
in addition to specialists in all periods of English literature.

The GTA is a twelve-month position and requires 20 hours of work on SEEJ
per week. It will pay slightly more than $900 per month plus a tuition waiver
during the academic year and a $2,400 stipend for the summer.
For additional information on the Editorial Assistant position, please
contact Prof. Stephen Baehr at the address below. For additional
information on the English Dept., please contact Prof. Graham directly.

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Stephen L. Baehr (slbaehr at vtvm1.cc.vt.edu OR slbaehr at vt.edu>
Professor of Russian
Editor-Elect, +Slavic and East European Journal+
Department of Foreign Languages and Literatures
Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
Blacksburg, VA 24061-0225
Telephone: (540)-231-8323; FAX (540) 231-4812


From jhacking at KUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU  Fri May 29 14:18:38 1998
From: jhacking at KUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU (jane hacking)
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:18:38 -0500
Subject: The Fourth N. American-Macedonian Conference
In-Reply-To: <v03110701b1933c0ceb45@[132.236.21.190]>
Message-ID: <FRI.29.MAY.1998.091838.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Christina,
Count me interested. Todd and I have actually fantasized about doing a
family trip to coincide so who knows... How goes the book?
Jane

Jane F. Hacking
Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures
University of Kansas
Lawrence, KS 66045
(913) 864-3313


From jhacking at KUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU  Fri May 29 14:19:34 1998
From: jhacking at KUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU (jane hacking)
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:19:34 -0500
Subject: The Fourth N. American-Macedonian Conference
In-Reply-To: <v03110701b1933c0ceb45@[132.236.21.190]>
Message-ID: <FRI.29.MAY.1998.091934.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

oops, sorry about the misaddressed mail.
JFH

Jane F. Hacking
Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures
University of Kansas
Lawrence, KS 66045
(913) 864-3313


From Rebecca.E.Matveyev at lawrence.edu  Fri May 29 19:17:11 1998
From: Rebecca.E.Matveyev at lawrence.edu (Rebecca E. Matveyev)
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:17:11 -0600
Subject: Russian software
Message-ID: <FRI.29.MAY.1998.131711.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I recently tried to order several software packages (Russian
Pronunciation Tutor, Russian Noun Tutor, Verbal Aspect, and Russian Word

Torture), from Softkey International.  But as I found out after several
phone calls, since they have merged with the Learning Company, they no
longer have any of those products (none of them are currently shown on
the website, either).

Does anyone own any of these products, and if so, do you know of a way
to get in touch with the people who originally produced them?


Thanks,
Rebecca



Rebecca Epstein Matveyev
Russian Department
Lawrence University
Appleton, WI 54912
rebecca.e.matveyev at lawrence.edu


From jlrice38 at open.org  Fri May 29 21:08:06 1998
From: jlrice38 at open.org (James L. Rice)
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 14:08:06 -0700
Subject: GTA Available for SEEJ Editorial Assistant
Message-ID: <FRI.29.MAY.1998.140806.0700.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Steve,                                     May 29, 98

Greetings to you and Irina.  Just checked my email and saw your GTA
announcement, a SEEJ ed assistantship for 3 years to work in a program of
English/Comp Lit.  I just alerted our student Christopher Syrnyk by voice
mail.  It seems to have his name written on it.  He is our BA, has been in
our Russian MA program since '93, passed his generals in Russian literature
two weeks ago, is writing an MA thesis on dogs in Russian literature (a
segment of which, on Siniavsky, was presented at the San Diego AATSEEL a few
years back). Early in our acquaintance, 8 to 10 yrs ago -- can it be? --
when he was in 1st quarter of 1st-year Russian (a section demolished by the
instructor, a very erudite Pole with excellent Russian and English, who
eventually got a Complit PhD here, but was totally incapable of giving THE
RIGHT answer to students' questions, furnishing instead 6 or 8 skew answers
in the form of a grammatical disquisition, all in English just a touch TOO
good for a lot of the troups -- I found out, auditing in the third week, too
late!), Chris described himself as "a former world-class altar-boy," from
which he has many an amusing anecdote.

Actually that topic, dogs, began with me as a party game or parody when I
was an undergrad, but I tossed it out to Christ (stick-like) years ago, and
he "ran with it" -- but has yet to bring it back to lay at my feet!

He's a Portlander, grew up without his parents' Ukrainian, and is
essentially a Russianist, though for better or worse with benefit of ALL the
Slavic linguistics courses, including OCS, given by my colleague emeritus
John Fred Beebe, a walking encyclopedia of linguistics, world ethnography,
comparative religion, geographical topoi and toponyms of now and yore, etc
etc (see, with Jakobson, the book prepared by Beebe from ROJ's kartoteka,
PALEO-SIBERIAN LANGUAGES & PEOPLES: AN ANNOTATED BIBLIOGRAPHY, a tome also
set by Beebe on the line-o-type.)

Chris Syrnyk emerged from Beebe's orbit, as so many of us from hither or
thither, as no Slavic linguist, but in the idiom -- "he's been there."
He also took some courses with our new linguist Cynthia Vakareliyska (student
of Lunt and Yokoyama & auditor of innumerable Chomsky mystifications down
the river, tenured with us last spring) -- and she too was not his cup of tea.

But he also began writing poetry long ago, and is deeply involved with
English and American Poetry, esp many moderns and contemporaries.  He was my
research assistant paving the way for a Brodsky 3-week mini-course on the
poetry of Hardy, Frost, and Auden that was to be given at UO (one of JB's
dozens of cancelled engagements in the early '90's).   Also worked as GTF
step-n-fetchit for Siniavsky when he was he for a term, and more recently
for Losev (helping out with a Brodsky memorial on May 26, 1996, late JB's
birthday, with Ufliand, young Ustinov, and others participating -- esp a
great ace from Jerusalem whose name escapes (then at Stanford): they all
stayed in Losev's rented mansion, and it was a great circus. Ufliand has
been a good Keenan friend since 1959, -- many anecdotes.).

In other words, Syrnyk already IS complit (as I keep telling our benighted
folks in COMPLIT, now COLT for short, previously -- when dear Irving
Wohlfarth ran it for a decade -- CLIT: "ALL lit is compl lit." <and esp, one
might add, Russian lit, which wears its CLIT on its sleeve.  It is, in any
case, an axiom well known to Syrnyk, who also practices it.)

About five years ago Carol Emerson went all out trying to get Chris a 5-year
deal at Princeton. He went on a pilgrimage there, she took him with some of
her students to see Shostakovich's Ledi Makbet at the Met <for which she
wrote the program notes) etc.  The psychopathology of everyday life
intervened, in the form of an existential crisis: Syrnyk somehow neglected
to go around and take the required GRE exam, so it all fell through. (Of
course the 5-year package would have had to be won by indian-wrestling with
other yoonits). That year Chris (whose father died at 30, probably the
Freudian crux of things at that time, '93 or so) was engaged to 3 women
<serially and legitimately, I hasten to add>, married the third after
wriggling off two hooks. (#1 was an affluent exec with Mobility
International, #2 was a high-powered divorced grad student in complit, #3
was and is a delightfully lovely and alert teenage checkout girl at Safeway,
whose dad is a biker.  So you see, Syrnyk is not a complete fool.)

At the moment Chris Syrnyk has applied to the Wisconsin Madison PhD program
in Slavic, having traveled there with wife (Kelly) for their AATSEEL chapter
conference last month.  But as soon as I read your announcement it seemed to
me that that the kind of work (for SEEJ) and the scope of a comp lit program
(with people like you -- and Irina? -- around) is much more the kind of
thing, and environment, for him.  Also, that he might just prove to your
liking as well.

He reads French and/or German -- I forget exactly which.  (ONE of these is a
requirement for our MA in Russian, but I think he has both.)

Another wonderful topic he's been working on for several years is the
concept of SMEKH in literature -- first, in PRESTUPLENIE I NAKAZANIE.  Not
only humor, the comic, etc., but also more specifically SMEKH as action, as
communication, as characterization.  You probably know that lately the
psychology labs have been coming up with interesting observations about
function of laughter across cultures, sexual boundaries, etc. But his
interest long antedates those reports,
I have tried to persuade him that this is a great topic for the Back Burner (PhD
diss).  He's been all too impatient with his own stuff that seems an already
projdennoe mesto, has had trouble focusing and progressing (be it dogs,
laughter, or whatever) -- all basically the existential low-grade depressive
anxiety, that is, common garden-variety thesis-retention.

Getting him in to take his MA generals was a masterly maneuver by me, as his
advisor.  He wanted to dangle and brood, perhaps on and on.  (I'd urged him
to take them with some more advanced MA candidates four years ago, since
he'd taken about all the courses we have on the books.  But he wouldn't.)
But now he is in motion, and I think it's clear that what you describe is
more suited to his interests, more flexible, than a traditional or
latter-day Slavic PhD program AT THIS POINT (though that needn't be ruled
out for later).

Amidst my drafting this, he returned my call and I told him about the job
announcement, gave him your address (not locating your phone number).  He
will try to phone you after a day or so, we hope -- to give this letter time
to reach you first.

Best regards,

Jim

PS Marcus Levitt's Russian Porn fest was a great thing (May 22-24),
unbuttoned but on the highest professional level (for such filth).  I'll
send you a copy of the program.  Kasinec was in great form, also the Kansas
historian John Alexander (on Catherine as sex queen).  There were two
excellent young folklorists from the Inst of World Lit, Moscow -- Andrei
Toporkov (editor of the R. EROT. FOL'klor anthology in which "my" Kirsha
bawdy song appeared unexpurgated as "No 1", and Vladimir Kliaus, who gave a
preview of a planned erotic motif index of Russian folk songs.  He showed a
great video of a village wedding near the Mongolian border.  These guys are
not just Levi Straussian parlor ethnographers. As I was getting a van to the
airport, Kliaus gave me a copy of his 1997 book, a motif- and
motif-situation index (400+ pp) of East and South Slavic zagovory --
inscribed (as I read on the plane to San Francisco) "s ogromnym uvazheniem".
It's nice to have some respect somewhere. You'd never know it to look at my
paycheck.

Did I see your name on a list for the Dostoevsky symposium at Columbia late
July to August 2nd?  I'm now definitely going, staying w my dear sister in
Somers (Westchester).  She's just taken another new job as THE
computer-records chief of TIAA-CREF, there regarded as an Inspector General
whose enquiries into the jumbled data bases may result in execs being
transferred - saints preserve us -- to the Aspen office!  (= Siberia) I told
her my very modest account from years ago (Harvard '65) could stand to be
mightily enhanced by, say, moving a decimal point one place to the right.
Chuckling (her normal mode) she allowed it would be "child's play."  Of
course it is out of the question, but... food for thought.

Finally, about dogs, did you notice a wacky little paperback (Moskva
"Gnozis" 1996) by Sergei Zimovets, MOLCHANIE GERASIMA. PSIKHOANALITICHESKIE
I FILOSOFSKIE ESSE O RUSSKOI KUL'TURE -- ? -- such topics as
"sobakochelovek", "mumufikatsiia"
(< Mumu), Pavlov, Laika i pr.  I rushed it to Syrnyk's data base.


,At 09:41 PM 5/28/98 EDT, you wrote:
>PLEASE BRING THE FOLLOWING GRADUATE TEACHING ASSISTANTSHIP POSITION
>TO THE ATTENTION OF ANY QUALIFIED STUDENTS. Thanks.
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>The Department of English at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and
>State University has agreed to assign a GTA to
>+Slavic and East European Journal+, which will move to Virginia
>Tech for three years during the 1998-99 academic year.
>
>As of the moment, the Department does not have any students
>in their program with background in Russian language and literature.
>If anyone knows of an excellent student with this background who
>may still be considering an M.A. program in English and Comparative
>Literature beginning in the 1998-99 academic year and who
>might be interested in and qualified for this GTA,
>please ask him or her to contact the Director of Graduate Studies
>in the English Dept. as soon as possible:
>Prof. Peter Graham, Department of English, Virginia Tech,
>Blacksburg, VA 24061-0112. E-mail: pegraham at vt.edu
>The Department has two specialists in Slavic literatures and a number
>of other specialists in comparative literature and literary theory,
>in addition to specialists in all periods of English literature.
>
>The GTA is a twelve-month position and requires 20 hours of work on SEEJ
>per week. It will pay slightly more than $900 per month plus a tuition waiver
>during the academic year and a $2,400 stipend for the summer.
>For additional information on the Editorial Assistant position, please
>contact Prof. Stephen Baehr at the address below. For additional
>information on the English Dept., please contact Prof. Graham directly.
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>Stephen L. Baehr (slbaehr at vtvm1.cc.vt.edu OR slbaehr at vt.edu>
>Professor of Russian
>Editor-Elect, +Slavic and East European Journal+
>Department of Foreign Languages and Literatures
>Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
>Blacksburg, VA 24061-0225
>Telephone: (540)-231-8323; FAX (540) 231-4812
>
>


From thebaron at interaccess.com  Fri May 29 22:01:01 1998
From: thebaron at interaccess.com (baron chivrin)
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 17:01:01 -0500
Subject: GTA Available for SEEJ Editorial Assistant
Message-ID: <FRI.29.MAY.1998.170101.0500.>

If you folks insisting on sending your personal messages to all of us, could you
 at
least spice them up a bit?

bc

James L. Rice wrote:

> Dear Steve,                                     May 29, 98
>
> Greetings to you and Irina.  Just checked my email and saw your GTA
> announcement, a SEEJ ed assistantship for 3 years to work in a program of
> English/Comp Lit.  I just alerted our student Christopher Syrnyk by voice
> mail.  It seems to have his name written on it.  He is our BA, has been in
> our Russian MA program since '93, passed his generals in Russian literature
> two weeks ago, is writing an MA thesis on dogs in Russian literature (a
> segment of which, on Siniavsky, was presented at the San Diego AATSEEL a few
> years back). Early in our acquaintance, 8 to 10 yrs ago -- can it be? --
> when he was in 1st quarter of 1st-year Russian (a section demolished by the
> instructor, a very erudite Pole with excellent Russian and English, who
> eventually got a Complit PhD here, but was totally incapable of giving THE
> RIGHT answer to students' questions, furnishing instead 6 or 8 skew answers
> in the form of a grammatical disquisition, all in English just a touch TOO
> good for a lot of the troups -- I found out, auditing in the third week, too
> late!), Chris described himself as "a former world-class altar-boy," from
> which he has many an amusing anecdote.
>
> Actually that topic, dogs, began with me as a party game or parody when I
> was an undergrad, but I tossed it out to Christ (stick-like) years ago, and
> he "ran with it" -- but has yet to bring it back to lay at my feet!
>
> He's a Portlander, grew up without his parents' Ukrainian, and is
> essentially a Russianist, though for better or worse with benefit of ALL the
> Slavic linguistics courses, including OCS, given by my colleague emeritus
> John Fred Beebe, a walking encyclopedia of linguistics, world ethnography,
> comparative religion, geographical topoi and toponyms of now and yore, etc
> etc (see, with Jakobson, the book prepared by Beebe from ROJ's kartoteka,
> PALEO-SIBERIAN LANGUAGES & PEOPLES: AN ANNOTATED BIBLIOGRAPHY, a tome also
> set by Beebe on the line-o-type.)
>
> Chris Syrnyk emerged from Beebe's orbit, as so many of us from hither or
> thither, as no Slavic linguist, but in the idiom -- "he's been there."
> He also took some courses with our new linguist Cynthia Vakareliyska (student
> of Lunt and Yokoyama & auditor of innumerable Chomsky mystifications down
> the river, tenured with us last spring) -- and she too was not his cup of tea.
>
> But he also began writing poetry long ago, and is deeply involved with
> English and American Poetry, esp many moderns and contemporaries.  He was my
> research assistant paving the way for a Brodsky 3-week mini-course on the
> poetry of Hardy, Frost, and Auden that was to be given at UO (one of JB's
> dozens of cancelled engagements in the early '90's).   Also worked as GTF
> step-n-fetchit for Siniavsky when he was he for a term, and more recently
> for Losev (helping out with a Brodsky memorial on May 26, 1996, late JB's
> birthday, with Ufliand, young Ustinov, and others participating -- esp a
> great ace from Jerusalem whose name escapes (then at Stanford): they all
> stayed in Losev's rented mansion, and it was a great circus. Ufliand has
> been a good Keenan friend since 1959, -- many anecdotes.).
>
> In other words, Syrnyk already IS complit (as I keep telling our benighted
> folks in COMPLIT, now COLT for short, previously -- when dear Irving
> Wohlfarth ran it for a decade -- CLIT: "ALL lit is compl lit." <and esp, one
> might add, Russian lit, which wears its CLIT on its sleeve.  It is, in any
> case, an axiom well known to Syrnyk, who also practices it.)
>
> About five years ago Carol Emerson went all out trying to get Chris a 5-year
> deal at Princeton. He went on a pilgrimage there, she took him with some of
> her students to see Shostakovich's Ledi Makbet at the Met <for which she
> wrote the program notes) etc.  The psychopathology of everyday life
> intervened, in the form of an existential crisis: Syrnyk somehow neglected
> to go around and take the required GRE exam, so it all fell through. (Of
> course the 5-year package would have had to be won by indian-wrestling with
> other yoonits). That year Chris (whose father died at 30, probably the
> Freudian crux of things at that time, '93 or so) was engaged to 3 women
> <serially and legitimately, I hasten to add>, married the third after
> wriggling off two hooks. (#1 was an affluent exec with Mobility
> International, #2 was a high-powered divorced grad student in complit, #3
> was and is a delightfully lovely and alert teenage checkout girl at Safeway,
> whose dad is a biker.  So you see, Syrnyk is not a complete fool.)
>
> At the moment Chris Syrnyk has applied to the Wisconsin Madison PhD program
> in Slavic, having traveled there with wife (Kelly) for their AATSEEL chapter
> conference last month.  But as soon as I read your announcement it seemed to
> me that that the kind of work (for SEEJ) and the scope of a comp lit program
> (with people like you -- and Irina? -- around) is much more the kind of
> thing, and environment, for him.  Also, that he might just prove to your
> liking as well.
>
> He reads French and/or German -- I forget exactly which.  (ONE of these is a
> requirement for our MA in Russian, but I think he has both.)
>
> Another wonderful topic he's been working on for several years is the
> concept of SMEKH in literature -- first, in PRESTUPLENIE I NAKAZANIE.  Not
> only humor, the comic, etc., but also more specifically SMEKH as action, as
> communication, as characterization.  You probably know that lately the
> psychology labs have been coming up with interesting observations about
> function of laughter across cultures, sexual boundaries, etc. But his
> interest long antedates those reports,
> I have tried to persuade him that this is a great topic for the Back Burner
 (PhD
> diss).  He's been all too impatient with his own stuff that seems an already
> projdennoe mesto, has had trouble focusing and progressing (be it dogs,
> laughter, or whatever) -- all basically the existential low-grade depressive
> anxiety, that is, common garden-variety thesis-retention.
>
> Getting him in to take his MA generals was a masterly maneuver by me, as his
> advisor.  He wanted to dangle and brood, perhaps on and on.  (I'd urged him
> to take them with some more advanced MA candidates four years ago, since
> he'd taken about all the courses we have on the books.  But he wouldn't.)
> But now he is in motion, and I think it's clear that what you describe is
> more suited to his interests, more flexible, than a traditional or
> latter-day Slavic PhD program AT THIS POINT (though that needn't be ruled
> out for later).
>
> Amidst my drafting this, he returned my call and I told him about the job
> announcement, gave him your address (not locating your phone number).  He
> will try to phone you after a day or so, we hope -- to give this letter time
> to reach you first.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jim
>
> PS Marcus Levitt's Russian Porn fest was a great thing (May 22-24),
> unbuttoned but on the highest professional level (for such filth).  I'll
> send you a copy of the program.  Kasinec was in great form, also the Kansas
> historian John Alexander (on Catherine as sex queen).  There were two
> excellent young folklorists from the Inst of World Lit, Moscow -- Andrei
> Toporkov (editor of the R. EROT. FOL'klor anthology in which "my" Kirsha
> bawdy song appeared unexpurgated as "No 1", and Vladimir Kliaus, who gave a
> preview of a planned erotic motif index of Russian folk songs.  He showed a
> great video of a village wedding near the Mongolian border.  These guys are
> not just Levi Straussian parlor ethnographers. As I was getting a van to the
> airport, Kliaus gave me a copy of his 1997 book, a motif- and
> motif-situation index (400+ pp) of East and South Slavic zagovory --
> inscribed (as I read on the plane to San Francisco) "s ogromnym uvazheniem".
> It's nice to have some respect somewhere. You'd never know it to look at my
> paycheck.
>
> Did I see your name on a list for the Dostoevsky symposium at Columbia late
> July to August 2nd?  I'm now definitely going, staying w my dear sister in
> Somers (Westchester).  She's just taken another new job as THE
> computer-records chief of TIAA-CREF, there regarded as an Inspector General
> whose enquiries into the jumbled data bases may result in execs being
> transferred - saints preserve us -- to the Aspen office!  (= Siberia) I told
> her my very modest account from years ago (Harvard '65) could stand to be
> mightily enhanced by, say, moving a decimal point one place to the right.
> Chuckling (her normal mode) she allowed it would be "child's play."  Of
> course it is out of the question, but... food for thought.
>
> Finally, about dogs, did you notice a wacky little paperback (Moskva
> "Gnozis" 1996) by Sergei Zimovets, MOLCHANIE GERASIMA. PSIKHOANALITICHESKIE
> I FILOSOFSKIE ESSE O RUSSKOI KUL'TURE -- ? -- such topics as
> "sobakochelovek", "mumufikatsiia"
> (< Mumu), Pavlov, Laika i pr.  I rushed it to Syrnyk's data base.
>
> ,At 09:41 PM 5/28/98 EDT, you wrote:
> >PLEASE BRING THE FOLLOWING GRADUATE TEACHING ASSISTANTSHIP POSITION
> >TO THE ATTENTION OF ANY QUALIFIED STUDENTS. Thanks.
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >The Department of English at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and
> >State University has agreed to assign a GTA to
> >+Slavic and East European Journal+, which will move to Virginia
> >Tech for three years during the 1998-99 academic year.
> >
> >As of the moment, the Department does not have any students
> >in their program with background in Russian language and literature.
> >If anyone knows of an excellent student with this background who
> >may still be considering an M.A. program in English and Comparative
> >Literature beginning in the 1998-99 academic year and who
> >might be interested in and qualified for this GTA,
> >please ask him or her to contact the Director of Graduate Studies
> >in the English Dept. as soon as possible:
> >Prof. Peter Graham, Department of English, Virginia Tech,
> >Blacksburg, VA 24061-0112. E-mail: pegraham at vt.edu
> >The Department has two specialists in Slavic literatures and a number
> >of other specialists in comparative literature and literary theory,
> >in addition to specialists in all periods of English literature.
> >
> >The GTA is a twelve-month position and requires 20 hours of work on SEEJ
> >per week. It will pay slightly more than $900 per month plus a tuition waiver
> >during the academic year and a $2,400 stipend for the summer.
> >For additional information on the Editorial Assistant position, please
> >contact Prof. Stephen Baehr at the address below. For additional
> >information on the English Dept., please contact Prof. Graham directly.
> >
> >---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Stephen L. Baehr (slbaehr at vtvm1.cc.vt.edu OR slbaehr at vt.edu>
> >Professor of Russian
> >Editor-Elect, +Slavic and East European Journal+
> >Department of Foreign Languages and Literatures
> >Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
> >Blacksburg, VA 24061-0225
> >Telephone: (540)-231-8323; FAX (540) 231-4812
> >
> >


From roborr at aix1.uottawa.ca  Sat May 30 03:46:52 1998
From: roborr at aix1.uottawa.ca (Robert Orr)
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 23:46:52 -0400
Subject: starost > zabyt'e
In-Reply-To: <199805292108.OAA21900@opengovt.open.org>
Message-ID: <FRI.29.MAY.1998.234652.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Seelanzhane,
                Having passed the big 4-0, one realsies that memory ain't
what it used to be.
                I seem to rememebr that soemwhere Alfred Senn put forward
a theory that a sort of Balto-Slavic dialect continuum was "disrupted
by a Persian invasion around 500 BC".

Has anyone got a more exact reference?

Thanks in advance,

Robert Orr


From a.jameson at dial.pipex.com  Sat May 30 11:48:55 1998
From: a.jameson at dial.pipex.com (Andrew Jameson)
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 12:48:55 +0100
Subject: GTA Available for SEEJ Editorial Assistant
Message-ID: <SAT.30.MAY.1998.124855.0100.>

This doesn't need spicing up (you got your erotic bit, didn't you?),
it's exactly what I was hoping for when I joined this list, and I can't
wait for the next instalment to hear whether Syrnik gets the job...
Don't let us down please.
Andrew Jameson
ex Russian Dept, Lancaster, UK

----------
> From: James L. Rice <jlrice38 at open.org>
> To: SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
> Subject: Re: GTA Available for SEEJ Editorial Assistant
> Date: 29 May 1998 22:08
>
> Dear Steve,                                     May 29, 98
>
> Greetings to you and Irina.  Just checked my email and saw your GTA
> announcement, a SEEJ ed assistantship for 3 years to work in a program of
> English/Comp Lit.  I just alerted our student Christopher Syrnyk by voice
> mail.  It seems to have his name written on it.  He is our BA, has been in
> our Russian MA program since '93, passed his generals in Russian literature
> two weeks ago, is writing an MA thesis on dogs in Russian literature (a
> segment of which, on Siniavsky, was presented at the San Diego AATSEEL a few
> years back). Early in our acquaintance, 8 to 10 yrs ago -- can it be? --
> when he was in 1st quarter of 1st-year Russian (a section demolished by the
> instructor, a very erudite Pole with excellent Russian and English, who
> eventually got a Complit PhD here, but was totally incapable of giving THE
> RIGHT answer to students' questions, furnishing instead 6 or 8 skew answers
> in the form of a grammatical disquisition, all in English just a touch TOO
> good for a lot of the troups -- I found out, auditing in the third week, too
> late!), Chris described himself as "a former world-class altar-boy," from
> which he has many an amusing anecdote.
>
> Actually that topic, dogs, began with me as a party game or parody when I
> was an undergrad, but I tossed it out to Christ (stick-like) years ago, and
> he "ran with it" -- but has yet to bring it back to lay at my feet!
>
> He's a Portlander, grew up without his parents' Ukrainian, and is
> essentially a Russianist, though for better or worse with benefit of ALL the
> Slavic linguistics courses, including OCS, given by my colleague emeritus
> John Fred Beebe, a walking encyclopedia of linguistics, world ethnography,
> comparative religion, geographical topoi and toponyms of now and yore, etc
> etc (see, with Jakobson, the book prepared by Beebe from ROJ's kartoteka,
> PALEO-SIBERIAN LANGUAGES & PEOPLES: AN ANNOTATED BIBLIOGRAPHY, a tome also
> set by Beebe on the line-o-type.)
>
> Chris Syrnyk emerged from Beebe's orbit, as so many of us from hither or
> thither, as no Slavic linguist, but in the idiom -- "he's been there."
> He also took some courses with our new linguist Cynthia Vakareliyska (student
> of Lunt and Yokoyama & auditor of innumerable Chomsky mystifications down
> the river, tenured with us last spring) -- and she too was not his cup of tea.
>
> But he also began writing poetry long ago, and is deeply involved with
> English and American Poetry, esp many moderns and contemporaries.  He was my
> research assistant paving the way for a Brodsky 3-week mini-course on the
> poetry of Hardy, Frost, and Auden that was to be given at UO (one of JB's
> dozens of cancelled engagements in the early '90's).   Also worked as GTF
> step-n-fetchit for Siniavsky when he was he for a term, and more recently
> for Losev (helping out with a Brodsky memorial on May 26, 1996, late JB's
> birthday, with Ufliand, young Ustinov, and others participating -- esp a
> great ace from Jerusalem whose name escapes (then at Stanford): they all
> stayed in Losev's rented mansion, and it was a great circus. Ufliand has
> been a good Keenan friend since 1959, -- many anecdotes.).
>
> In other words, Syrnyk already IS complit (as I keep telling our benighted
> folks in COMPLIT, now COLT for short, previously -- when dear Irving
> Wohlfarth ran it for a decade -- CLIT: "ALL lit is compl lit." <and esp, one
> might add, Russian lit, which wears its CLIT on its sleeve.  It is, in any
> case, an axiom well known to Syrnyk, who also practices it.)
>
> About five years ago Carol Emerson went all out trying to get Chris a 5-year
> deal at Princeton. He went on a pilgrimage there, she took him with some of
> her students to see Shostakovich's Ledi Makbet at the Met <for which she
> wrote the program notes) etc.  The psychopathology of everyday life
> intervened, in the form of an existential crisis: Syrnyk somehow neglected
> to go around and take the required GRE exam, so it all fell through. (Of
> course the 5-year package would have had to be won by indian-wrestling with
> other yoonits). That year Chris (whose father died at 30, probably the
> Freudian crux of things at that time, '93 or so) was engaged to 3 women
> <serially and legitimately, I hasten to add>, married the third after
> wriggling off two hooks. (#1 was an affluent exec with Mobility
> International, #2 was a high-powered divorced grad student in complit, #3
> was and is a delightfully lovely and alert teenage checkout girl at Safeway,
> whose dad is a biker.  So you see, Syrnyk is not a complete fool.)
>
> At the moment Chris Syrnyk has applied to the Wisconsin Madison PhD program
> in Slavic, having traveled there with wife (Kelly) for their AATSEEL chapter
> conference last month.  But as soon as I read your announcement it seemed to
> me that that the kind of work (for SEEJ) and the scope of a comp lit program
> (with people like you -- and Irina? -- around) is much more the kind of
> thing, and environment, for him.  Also, that he might just prove to your
> liking as well.
>
> He reads French and/or German -- I forget exactly which.  (ONE of these is a
> requirement for our MA in Russian, but I think he has both.)
>
> Another wonderful topic he's been working on for several years is the
> concept of SMEKH in literature -- first, in PRESTUPLENIE I NAKAZANIE.  Not
> only humor, the comic, etc., but also more specifically SMEKH as action, as
> communication, as characterization.  You probably know that lately the
> psychology labs have been coming up with interesting observations about
> function of laughter across cultures, sexual boundaries, etc. But his
> interest long antedates those reports,
> I have tried to persuade him that this is a great topic for the Back Burner
 (PhD
> diss).  He's been all too impatient with his own stuff that seems an already
> projdennoe mesto, has had trouble focusing and progressing (be it dogs,
> laughter, or whatever) -- all basically the existential low-grade depressive
> anxiety, that is, common garden-variety thesis-retention.
>
> Getting him in to take his MA generals was a masterly maneuver by me, as his
> advisor.  He wanted to dangle and brood, perhaps on and on.  (I'd urged him
> to take them with some more advanced MA candidates four years ago, since
> he'd taken about all the courses we have on the books.  But he wouldn't.)
> But now he is in motion, and I think it's clear that what you describe is
> more suited to his interests, more flexible, than a traditional or
> latter-day Slavic PhD program AT THIS POINT (though that needn't be ruled
> out for later).
>
> Amidst my drafting this, he returned my call and I told him about the job
> announcement, gave him your address (not locating your phone number).  He
> will try to phone you after a day or so, we hope -- to give this letter time
> to reach you first.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jim
>
> PS Marcus Levitt's Russian Porn fest was a great thing (May 22-24),
> unbuttoned but on the highest professional level (for such filth).  I'll
> send you a copy of the program.  Kasinec was in great form, also the Kansas
> historian John Alexander (on Catherine as sex queen).  There were two
> excellent young folklorists from the Inst of World Lit, Moscow -- Andrei
> Toporkov (editor of the R. EROT. FOL'klor anthology in which "my" Kirsha
> bawdy song appeared unexpurgated as "No 1", and Vladimir Kliaus, who gave a
> preview of a planned erotic motif index of Russian folk songs.  He showed a
> great video of a village wedding near the Mongolian border.  These guys are
> not just Levi Straussian parlor ethnographers. As I was getting a van to the
> airport, Kliaus gave me a copy of his 1997 book, a motif- and
> motif-situation index (400+ pp) of East and South Slavic zagovory --
> inscribed (as I read on the plane to San Francisco) "s ogromnym uvazheniem".
> It's nice to have some respect somewhere. You'd never know it to look at my
> paycheck.
>
> Did I see your name on a list for the Dostoevsky symposium at Columbia late
> July to August 2nd?  I'm now definitely going, staying w my dear sister in
> Somers (Westchester).  She's just taken another new job as THE
> computer-records chief of TIAA-CREF, there regarded as an Inspector General
> whose enquiries into the jumbled data bases may result in execs being
> transferred - saints preserve us -- to the Aspen office!  (= Siberia) I told
> her my very modest account from years ago (Harvard '65) could stand to be
> mightily enhanced by, say, moving a decimal point one place to the right.
> Chuckling (her normal mode) she allowed it would be "child's play."  Of
> course it is out of the question, but... food for thought.
>
> Finally, about dogs, did you notice a wacky little paperback (Moskva
> "Gnozis" 1996) by Sergei Zimovets, MOLCHANIE GERASIMA. PSIKHOANALITICHESKIE
> I FILOSOFSKIE ESSE O RUSSKOI KUL'TURE -- ? -- such topics as
> "sobakochelovek", "mumufikatsiia"
> (< Mumu), Pavlov, Laika i pr.  I rushed it to Syrnyk's data base.
>
>
> ,At 09:41 PM 5/28/98 EDT, you wrote:
> >PLEASE BRING THE FOLLOWING GRADUATE TEACHING ASSISTANTSHIP POSITION
> >TO THE ATTENTION OF ANY QUALIFIED STUDENTS. Thanks.
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >The Department of English at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and
> >State University has agreed to assign a GTA to
> >+Slavic and East European Journal+, which will move to Virginia
> >Tech for three years during the 1998-99 academic year.
> >
> >As of the moment, the Department does not have any students
> >in their program with background in Russian language and literature.
> >If anyone knows of an excellent student with this background who
> >may still be considering an M.A. program in English and Comparative
> >Literature beginning in the 1998-99 academic year and who
> >might be interested in and qualified for this GTA,
> >please ask him or her to contact the Director of Graduate Studies
> >in the English Dept. as soon as possible:
> >Prof. Peter Graham, Department of English, Virginia Tech,
> >Blacksburg, VA 24061-0112. E-mail: pegraham at vt.edu
> >The Department has two specialists in Slavic literatures and a number
> >of other specialists in comparative literature and literary theory,
> >in addition to specialists in all periods of English literature.
> >
> >The GTA is a twelve-month position and requires 20 hours of work on SEEJ
> >per week. It will pay slightly more than $900 per month plus a tuition waiver
> >during the academic year and a $2,400 stipend for the summer.
> >For additional information on the Editorial Assistant position, please
> >contact Prof. Stephen Baehr at the address below. For additional
> >information on the English Dept., please contact Prof. Graham directly.
> >
> >---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Stephen L. Baehr (slbaehr at vtvm1.cc.vt.edu OR slbaehr at vt.edu>
> >Professor of Russian
> >Editor-Elect, +Slavic and East European Journal+
> >Department of Foreign Languages and Literatures
> >Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
> >Blacksburg, VA 24061-0225
> >Telephone: (540)-231-8323; FAX (540) 231-4812
> >
> >


From LanceEli3 at aol.com  Sat May 30 22:15:22 1998
From: LanceEli3 at aol.com (Lance Cummings)
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 18:15:22 EDT
Subject: Russian History and Orthodox Church
Message-ID: <SAT.30.MAY.1998.181522.EDT.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Hello Seelangers,

I have a friend who is doing research on the history of the Orthodox
Church in Russia.  Do any of you have any hints?  She is particulary
looking for some nice internet sites (but any other reccomendations that
you have would surely be appreciated).

thanks,
lance


From sher07 at bellsouth.net  Sun May 31 02:39:09 1998
From: sher07 at bellsouth.net (Benjamin Sher)
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 21:39:09 -0500
Subject: Russian History and Orthodox Church
In-Reply-To: <199805302216.SAA17378@mail4.bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <SAT.30.MAY.1998.213909.0500.>

Dear Lance:

Why not check the number of major sites and megasites on my Sher's
Russian List under Religion, also under Music, choral and, of course,
Art.

The address is at the bottom of my signature.

Hope this helps.

Yours,

Benjamin
Benjamin Sher
Russian Literary Translator
Sher's Russian Web:
http://personal.msy.bellsouth.net/msy/s/h/sher07/
Sher's Russian Index:
http://personal.msy.bellsouth.net/msy/s/h/sher07/bll-link.html


From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Sun May 31 12:55:50 1998
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 08:55:50 -0400
Subject: U.S.-UKRAINE SUMMER EXCHANGE PROGRAMS  (fwd)
Message-ID: <SUN.31.MAY.1998.085550.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

FYI

Devin P Browne
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu

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Subject: U.S.-UKRAINE SUMMER EXCHANGE PROGRAMS



                U.S.-UKRAINE SUMMER EXCHANGE PROGRAMS

The Ukrainian Catholic Education Foundation (UCEF), based in Chicago,
provides opportunities both for Ukrainian students to study or intern in
North America and for American students to volunteer as English teachers
in Ukraine for the summer.

                ---Serve in America Program---

Today's Ukrainian students have grown up without an experience of
many cultural and economic institutions typical of free societies.  By
helping in North American parishes and service agencies, students see how
vibrant programs in American communities work, contribute their own energy
and skills, and create ties with the Ukrainian community abroad.  In
particular, seminarians from Ukraine can make a rich contribution to the
liturgical and spiritual life of parishes in the diaspora.

                ---Study in America Program---

American colleges and summer programs offer a wealth of courses and study
opportunities not available in Ukraine.  Qualified students with a working
knowledge of English also benefit greatly from the introduction to
American libraries, museums, and the fullness of university life.  In
previous summers, students from Ukraine have participated in the Harvard
Summer School in Cambridge, Massachusetts and the Sheptytsky Institute's
courses in Eastern Christianity at Mt. Tabor in California.

                ---Teach in Ukraine Program---

By bringing native English speakers to Ukraine for intensive summer
institutes, the UCEF also helps Americans of non-Ukrainian backgrounds
learn about this exciting part of the world.  Past summer programs have
involved 40 volunteer teachers from North America.


        *******************************************************
        Make a difference this summer: Teach English in Ukraine
        *******************************************************

The Ukrainian Catholic Education Foundation is seeking volunteers for its
annual English Summer School.  The month-long program, currently in its
fourth year, gives participants a chance to live with Ukrainian university
students, experience Eastern Christianity, and learn about the new
challenges facing this ancient country.

No knowledge of Ukrainian is necessary.

The summer program is based in the Carpathian Mountains.  Housing is
provided in shared cabins; meals are likewise very simple. The full-day
schedule includes English use at six hours of classes, morning liturgy and
vespers, mealtime conversations, and evening activities.  Typical classes
have 7-10 students and involve a combination of reading, discussion and
exercises.

About half of the 100 students are seminarians from Lviv Theological
Academy; others come from a variety of backgrounds, including teaching and
journalism.  The English-speaking staff is principally from North America
with assistance from Ukrainian teachers.

Weekends include occasional hikes and short trips.

The summer program runs from July 8-31, but it is helpful if staff can
arrive a few days early.  Likewise, many volunteers in the past have
enjoyed staying afterwards to sightsee and visit student families, or
travel to Kiev or Poland.

Room and board are provided for volunteers.  The only real expense is
travel to Lviv (roundtrip bookings are about $900 from Boston, $1100 from
Chicago).

To apply (or for more information), please send a letter of interest, as
well as relevant experience or talents to:

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Ukrainian Catholic Education Foundation
2247 W. Chicago Ave.
Chicago, IL 60622
tel: 773-235-8462
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From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Sun May 31 12:58:10 1998
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 08:58:10 -0400
Subject: Posting : Financial Journalists - Moscow (Russia) (fwd)
Message-ID: <SUN.31.MAY.1998.085810.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I'm a little behind in updating the AATSEEL Job Index due to it being the
end of the school year, seniors grades being due, working on the senior
edition of the school newspaper, and working on a major FL tech grant.  So
in the meantime, I'm forwarding some of these jobs on to SEELANGS.

Devin P Browne
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 23:37:08 +0530
From: SDG <sandeepgoel at yahoo.com>
To: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu
Subject: Posting : Financial Journalists - Moscow (Russia)

Dear Mr. Browne,

We wish to post the following jon listings for Russia on your AATSEEL
website.

Thanks & regards
S. Joel



Financial Journalism in Moscow, Russian Federation ( English)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 ---

We are a leading Russian language Finacial weekly newspaper, established
since 1993 with a circulation of over 60,000 in Russian Federation. We
have, with foreign investment, started an English Language Weekly,
focussing of Russian securities, investment banking, finance and
economy.

We intend to make our paper upto the industry standard and THE final
word on financial journalism in and from Russia. The competetion and the
circumstances of operating a foreign language weekly in Russia make it
an extremely challenging job for every one involved in the publication.
It is imperative that persons reading further and interested must be
highly charged, driven and competetive individuals.

Our current team has English speaking persons but for giving a wider
perpective, better flair to language and reporting, analyses based on
experience and instincts we would like foreign journalists and Editors
to join us.

The posts open are :-

Assosiate Editor   (1)
Sub Editors      (2)
Staff Writers    (2)
Re-Writers    (2)
Journalists/Field Reporters
Advertising Manager   (1)
Internet Edition Manager (1)

Relevant experience of 3-5 years is necessary but writing style, clarity
of thought, simplicty of expression and ability to write on this rather
dry subject of finance in interesting and inviting prose would be most
important considerations.

Computer proficiency and at least 300 Hours of experience on internet
are essential.

Understanding of Russia, Russian language (beginner to middle level -
spoken and written), Russian culture and of the evolution of Russian
Economy for the last 5 years would be important.

We are looking for a young team, that can be cohesive and close knit.

Patience, ability to listen & adapt, accomodate and adjust to harsh
natural conditions, work and find way through the slow, murky and opaque
conditions in economy and politics of a former communist ruled country
are essential traits in personality if you wish to succeed in Russia.

People used to too many comforts, easily irritated by bureacracy,
stone-walling & inefficiencies of system will not be able to survive and
need not apply.

We are keen on applications from the UK & Ireland but shall consider ALL
genuine candidatures.

We must forewarn that living and working conditions in Moscow will be
completely different from anywhere else in the world and can be tough on
families. We prefer single applicants.

The selected persons shall be required to move to Moscow in August 1998.

The promoters are young and ambitious. They have a hands on approach
towards business and the coporate president has had a chequered career
in Russia. He is a team leader and demands as much from his team as he
himself contributes (which usually is a lot). The promoters are open to
share options and the pay shall be in line with the present remuneration
trends in Russia.

All mail, CVs shall be considered in confidence and any further requests
shall be respected.

Further details shall be provided after receipt of firm interest and CV.

Please write to : sdg at norasco.com


From Jerry_Ervin at compuserve.com  Sun May 31 22:02:25 1998
From: Jerry_Ervin at compuserve.com (Jerry Ervin)
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 18:02:25 -0400
Subject: Joe Malik, Jr.
Message-ID: <SUN.31.MAY.1998.180225.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

As a follow-up to my earlier message about Joe's passing:

Joe was born in Christopher, IL and moved to Texas as a child.  He received
his B.S. and M.Ed. degrees from the U of Texas, and studied at Berkely and
Penn, where he received his Ph.D.  He taught Russian and Czech at the U of
Texas for 14 years.  In 1960 he founded the U of Arizona Russian program
within the German Department.  It became independent in 1970, and Joe was
its chairman until 1985.  He retired from the U of Arizona in 1989.

Joe served as AATSEEL's Executive Secretary-Treasurer 1968-1985, longer
than any other individual before or since, and longer than the combined
terms of his four predecessors in the job.  During his term he worked with
five editors of SEEJ and five editors of the Newsletter.

Those years were a period of sharply declining Russian enrollments, which
in turn meant sharply declining numbers of faculty positions in Russian and
other Slavic languages, which in turn meant sharply declining membership in
AATSEEL.  Nevertheless, over those years Joe brought AATSEEL from a
precarious--often deficit--funding position to one of relative financial
security.  Under his leadership the annual AATSEEL meetings grew from nine
or ten sessions to over 60 each year, providing expanded opportunities for
younger scholars to give papers and to interact with senior scholars in our
field.

When Joe stepped down from his AATSEEL duties in 1985, AATSEEL gave him an
Outstanding Service Award, which read, "Presented with deep appreciation to
Joe Malik, Jr., 'Mr. AATSEEL,' national Executive Secretary-Treasurer,
1968-85."  Subsequently AATSEEL established the "Joe Malik Award for
Outstanding Service to AATSEEL."  It is the only named award that AATSEEL
presents.

Joe is survived by his wife, Pauline; daughters, Lisa Malik and Tamara Jo
Dillon; son Joe Malik III; grandchildren Michael Joe and Daniel James
Dillon and Julia Michele and Joe Paul Malik.  Also surviving are brothers,
Edward, Oscar and Noble Malik and sister Emily Gush.  Cards may be sent to
the Malik family at their home, 6933 E Calle Canis, 85710.  In lieu of
flowers, memorials may be made to The Heart Fund, The Alzheimers
Association Southern Arizona Chapter, and the Tucson Memorial Society.

*  *  *  *  *
Gerard L. (Jerry) Ervin
Executive Director, American Ass'n of Teachers of 
Slavic & E European Languages (AATSEEL)
1933 N. Fountain Park Dr., Tucson, AZ 85715 USA
Phone/fax:  520/885-2663
Email:  76703.2063 at compuserve.com
AATSEEL Home Page: <http://clover.slavic.pitt.edu/~aatseel/>
*  *  *  *  *
  


From GREENBRG at KUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU  Fri May  1 04:04:01 1998
From: GREENBRG at KUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU (Marc L. Greenberg)
Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 00:04:01 EDT
Subject: Balkan and South Slavic Conference in May 2000
Message-ID: <FRI.1.MAY.1998.000401.EDT.>

Mark your calendars!

*CONFERENCE ANNOUNCEMENT*

The 12th BIENNIAL CONFERENCE ON BALKAN AND SOUTH SLAVIC
LINGUISTICS, LITERATURE, and FOLKLORE

will be held at the University of Kansas, Lawrence, Thurs.-Sat., May
4-6, 2000.

If you are interested in participating, please send an abstract, along
with address, phone, fax and e-mail information, to:

Prof. Marc L. Greenberg
Dept. of Slavic Langs. & Lits.
2134 Wescoe Hall
Lawrence, KS 66045-2174

E-mail (preferred): m-greenberg at ukans.edu
Fax: 785-864-4298

Abstracts should be sent in text format on a diskette or
through e-mail.  Graphs, diagrams and illustrations should be
converted to GIF or JPG format.  Abstracts will be placed on a
Conference web-site, the URL address of which will be announced
later. Deadline for abstracts: November 1, 1999.

If you have any questions about the conference, please contact either
of the hosts:

Prof. Jane F. Hacking <jhacking at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>
Prof. Marc L. Greenberg <m-greenberg at ukans.edu>
=================================
Marc L. Greenberg
Slavic Dept.
2134 Wescoe Hall
University of Kansas
Lawrence, KS 66045-2174, USA
Tel. 785-864-3313
Fax 785-864-4298
E-mail: m-greenberg at ukans.edu


From jlrice38 at open.org  Fri May  1 04:12:14 1998
From: jlrice38 at open.org (James L. Rice)
Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 00:12:14 EDT
Subject: music and tolstoy
Message-ID: <FRI.1.MAY.1998.001214.EDT.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

At 12:50 AM 4/30/98 EDT, Serge Rogosin wrote:
>Can anyone recommend any articles on music in the works of Tolstoy or music
>and Tolstoy in general? Russian and English articles are of greatest interest,
>but any language will do.  Any and all information would be much appreciated.

Two recent articles come to mind:

(1)  Ruth Rischin, "Allegro Tumultuosissimante: Beethoven in Tolstoy's
Fiction," in IN THE SHADE OF THE GIANT. ESSAYS ON TOLSTOY, ed. Hugh McLean,
Berkeley: U. Cal. Press, 1989.

(2) Ian Saylor, "ANNA KARENINA and DON GIOVANNI: The Vengeance Motif in
Oblonsky's Dream," TOLSTOY STUDIES JOURNAL, VII (1995-6), 112-116.

                                                J. Rice
                                                U. of Oregon


From MThibault at compuserve.com  Sat May  2 01:03:06 1998
From: MThibault at compuserve.com (Marlene Thibault)
Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 21:03:06 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <FRI.1.MAY.1998.210306.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear fellow slavists

I'm interested in opinions on the authenticity of the 'Slovo o polku
Igoreve'.
Do you believe it dates from around 1190 as originally supposed, or are you
rather of the opinion it is a falsificate from the 18th century? And what
are the arguments?

Dorogiye 'so-slavisty'

Mne interesuyut raznye mneniya o podlinnosti 'Slova o polku Igoreve'.
Dumaete li Vy, chto ono napisano bylo okolo 1190, ili chto eto poddelka
18ogo veka? Kakimi argumentami osnovyvaete Vy Vashe mneniye?

Marlene Thibault, University of Fribourg, Switzerland


From AHRJJ at CUNYVM.BITNET  Sat May  2 01:28:44 1998
From: AHRJJ at CUNYVM.BITNET (Alex Rudd)
Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 21:28:44 EDT
Subject: SEELANGS Summer Administrivia
Message-ID: <FRI.1.MAY.1998.212844.EDT.>

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From roborr at aix1.uottawa.ca  Sat May  2 03:34:23 1998
From: roborr at aix1.uottawa.ca (Robert Orr)
Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 23:34:23 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
In-Reply-To: <199805012103_MC2-3BAE-E00@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.1.MAY.1998.233423.0400.>

Although I find the arguments that the Slovo is an 18th century (Masonic)
fabrication food for thought, very interesting, and ... great fun, there's
one piece of evidence in favour of authenticity which I'd like to cite:

Not only Slavists with the most varying interests, but also Turcologists
have commented extensively on the Slovo, and found it a useful source of
material, some of which occurs nowhere else.  The thought of  soemone in
the late eighteenth century being able to produce a fabrication that
could fool both Slavists and Turcologists is really stretching credulity.

Other roughly coeval fabrications (one of these is controversial, so
if anyone is interested, please reply off list) were revealed as such
precisely because the authors kept on mixing 18th/19th century forms with
medieval forms, did not have too great a knowledge of the idiom, or had
simply made wild guesses as to the nature of the material.

Robert Orr

On Fri, 1 May 1998, Marlene Thibault wrote:

> Dear fellow slavists
>
> I'm interested in opinions on the authenticity of the 'Slovo o polku
> Igoreve'.
> Do you believe it dates from around 1190 as originally supposed, or are you
> rather of the opinion it is a falsificate from the 18th century? And what
> are the arguments?
>
> Dorogiye 'so-slavisty'
>
> Mne interesuyut raznye mneniya o podlinnosti 'Slova o polku Igoreve'.
> Dumaete li Vy, chto ono napisano bylo okolo 1190, ili chto eto poddelka
> 18ogo veka? Kakimi argumentami osnovyvaete Vy Vashe mneniye?
>


From u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de  Sat May  2 09:50:06 1998
From: u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de (Markus Osterrieder)
Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 09:50:06 -0000
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <SAT.2.MAY.1998.095006.0000.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

My main suspicion concerning the authenticity of "Slovo" stems from the
"spiritual message" that it transports. Of course it appeals to a
scientific mind of the 19th or 20th century to have such a expressive
testimony of dvoeverie AND pan-Rus' patriotism in a document from the
late 12th century. But: Who at that time had access to education, was
able to read and write? Where, in which institutions could he learn this?
Place yourself a bit in the mental context of the 12th century. In
Scandinavia, Wales and Eire, there is in fact the transmission of old
pagan lore, but it is always historic. Never, an *author* (someone who
belongs to a elite) would freely mix Pagan and Christian concepts. There
would be confrontation, yes, and christianizing of old spiritual beliefs
and customs (the world of the peasants in many parts of Europe, not only
among Eastern Slavs!, is full of this "dvoeverie" until late in our
century - just have a look to the Bavarian countryside, for instance),
but there would never be an sentimental invocation of the Old Gods as
part of a praise to Svjataja Rus'.  One can argue that the concept of
Rus'kaja zemlja has got pagan roots, but in the 12th century it was
firmly anchored in the Christian sphere, in pravoslavie, and I doubt
whether it would have been possible to bring up the Old World in such
"official" matters without suffering serious consequences.

To give an example: Towards the end of the Slovo, Igor rides "k svjatej
Bogorodici Pirogoshchej". The author sings: "Zdravi knjazi i druzhina,
pobaraja za khrist'jany na poganyja pl''ki!" He opposes the christian
heroes and "poganii", but then he speaks about "vnuci Dazh'bozha" i
"vetri, Stribozhi vnuci". This is nice, poetic, but not medieval, not
even in Rus'. He could have called them grandchildren of their
forefather, but not of a God, because this involves a rather complicated
metaphysical outlook (the question from which God and totem a certain
tribe derives). As a Christian, the author would have never used such
elements to improve his style. And the winds as grandchildren of Stribog?
Snorri Sturleson would have had a good laugh.

This said, the use of the Old Gods seems so modern, it is completely out
of context of the mind of medieval man, but hits exactly the tone of
someone trained by Sturm und Drang and Enlightenment - well, yes, think
of Ossian -, who has not a real spiritual understanding anymore, but just
a sentimental approach. Just compare the use of the supernatural in e.g.
Nibelungenlied and Slovo o polku Igoreve, or Slovo o pogibeli rus'koj
zemli and Slovo o polku Igoreve.

There is a political implication of the Slovo as well, of course, but I
don't need to go into this now. The Slovo *is* great literature, no doubt
about that.



Markus Osterrieder, M.A.

eMail: u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de


From solomons at slt.lk  Sat May  2 12:16:34 1998
From: solomons at slt.lk (Wendell W. Solomons)
Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 18:16:34 +0600
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <SAT.2.MAY.1998.181634.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>>From Markus Osterrieder:
>Place yourself a bit in the mental context of the 12th century. In
>Scandinavia, Wales and Eire, there is in fact the transmission of old
>pagan lore, but it is always historic. Never would an *author* (someone
>who belongs to an elite) freely mix Pagan and Christian concepts.

------------------

Greetings Friends!
 '\_
 {"o_
,(_)
 -"-

Wouldn't it be nice to have a researcher from the Russian community who
works in the 12th Century contribute here? Yet, how does one get access
to that community?

This site Down-Under (Russian-Australian community : )) has phenomenal WWW
resources. More than 50 new ones seem to be added weekly at the site.


| \ | / |JL|  When I hear 'economics'
|--< >--|EI|  I pull out my Mauser ...
| / | \ |SV|  Writer Arthur C. Clarke when
|   |   |UE|  Russian reforms were mentioned
|   |   |SS|  by solomons at slt.lk


Subject: What's new on "Russophilia!" this week (2 May 1998)
Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 04:14:51 +0400

The following links have been added to "Russophilia!" this week.

No. of links added: 66
URL: http://dove.net.au/~rabogna/russian/russian1.htm

--

Rita Bogna
Adelaide, South Australia
e-mail: rabogna at dove.net.au


From aisrael at american.edu  Sat May  2 17:03:37 1998
From: aisrael at american.edu (Alina Israeli)
Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 13:03:37 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <SAT.2.MAY.1998.130337.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>Wouldn't it be nice to have a researcher from the Russian community who
>works in the 12th Century contribute here? Yet, how does one get access
>to that community?

Lixachev and his school treat "Slovo" as original.


From sekerina at linc.cis.upenn.edu  Sat May  2 17:52:53 1998
From: sekerina at linc.cis.upenn.edu (Irina Sekerina)
Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 13:52:53 -0400
Subject: New Book on Linguistics in Russian On Sale
Message-ID: <SAT.2.MAY.1998.135253.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

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From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Sat May  2 20:45:22 1998
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 16:45:22 -0400
Subject: Correction about Russian via satellite
Message-ID: <SAT.2.MAY.1998.164522.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I made a mistake a while back by posting information about a Russian via
satellite program.  Sorry, but that was wrong.  The program is
administered via video cassette.  Here's more information....

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 98 08:41:43 PDT
From: Pat Miner <miner49 at anet-dfw.com>
To: Devin P Browne <dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Is this address valid?

Pat Miner here....

Ms Mitcham showed me a faxed usenet posting saying we (DISD) were offering
Russian language classes via satellite.  Wish it were true.

  We are offering Russian I, albeit videotaped lessons.

Here's the straight:

  Russian I

  70 Lessons

  $450.00  per student

  $175.00 for a set of tapes

  $10.00 per student workbook

Telephone conversation once per week

Ms. Mitcham can be reached at 214-989-8066 Mon-Fri 8 a.m. to 5 p.m.
Central Time


Thank you for responding to my email and letting us get the straight
information out :-)

Pat

----------


From frosset at wheatonma.edu  Sun May  3 21:29:06 1998
From: frosset at wheatonma.edu (Francoise Rosset)
Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 17:29:06 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <SUN.3.MAY.1998.172906.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I remember extensive discussions of this issue when I was in graduate
school, since one of our instructors was a specialist on the subject.
(I do not know whether he is on this list).
The general consensus among scholars then was that the *Slovo* was
most likely authentic, and the primary argument was the one mentioned
by Robert Orr: it would be a damn good forgery, indeed, too damn good.

The other crucial point to remember on the issue of authenticity
is that not every word nor even every concept in the *Slovo* need be
authentically traceable to a medieval original. It is likely that
items were added by successive transcribers, without making it a fake.
Since many medieval manuscripts/texts all over Europe suffered or were
embellished by various "remaniements," and since such additions cannot
be purged without the existence of an provably authentic original manu-
script, the consensus I heard was that the *Slovo* is most probably a
true original with likely layers of additional material.

The concept of author as we know it now did not exist then -- roughly put,
a modern author is the spiritual and legal "owner" of a text, and changes
to the text which are not his/her work or at least accepted by him/her are
not considered part of the "authoritative" text. Hence copyrights etc.
This view would be irrelevant to the Middle Ages. More relevant, especially
to the issue of the *Slovo*, is the concept of an "open tradition"
throughout the European Middle Ages.

Since I am not a medievalist, I offer this as the view I have heard/read
most often, and for what it's worth, I find it compelling because it does
answer most of the questions.

-Francoise

Francoise Rosset                          phone:  (508) 286-3696
Department of Russian                     e-mail: frosset at wheatonma.edu
Wheaton College
Norton, Massachusetts 02766


From chtodel at humanitas.ucsb.edu  Sun May  3 21:48:26 1998
From: chtodel at humanitas.ucsb.edu (Donald Barton Johnson)
Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 14:48:26 -0700
Subject: Query: quote source (fwd)
Message-ID: <SUN.3.MAY.1998.144826.0700.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Can any kind soul identify this line?

         "ni sadisticheskiia laski beznosoi smerti"?

        Nabokov uses it in a 1921 Russian critical essay. Since the term
"sadistic" entered English only circa the 1890s (and, presumably no
earlier into Russian), the source must have been composed between, say,
1890 & 1920. It is conceivable that the original source is not in either
Russian or English.
                        With Thanks in advance....

D. Barton Johnson
Department of Germanic, Slavic and Semitic Studies
Phelps Hall
University of California at Santa Barbara
Santa Barbara, CA  93106
Phone and Fax: (805) 687-1825
Home Phone: (805) 682-4618



From sjaireth at brs.gov.au  Mon May  4 18:00:00 1998
From: sjaireth at brs.gov.au (Jaireth, Subhash)
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 11:00:00 PDT
Subject: Help (Tolstoy)
Message-ID: <MON.4.MAY.1998.110000.PDT.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Friends


I read Anna Karenina 15 years ago. I seem to remember a scene with Levin
and Kitty. Levin is looking at Kitty who is looking elsewhere and Levin
tells himself: "If she turns now and looks at me, she would be my wife".
I am not sure of the exact words. I am not even sure if the scene is in
Anna Karenina or War and Peace. I would be grateful if some one can help
me to locate the 'event'.


Thanks

Subhash Jaireth


From u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de  Mon May  4 06:54:15 1998
From: u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de (Markus Osterrieder)
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 08:54:15 +0200
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <MON.4.MAY.1998.085415.0200.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

On 03.05.1998 23:29 Uhr frosset at wheatonma.edu wrote:
>The other crucial point to remember on the issue of authenticity
>is that not every word nor even every concept in the *Slovo* need be
>authentically traceable to a medieval original. It is likely that
>items were added by successive transcribers, without making it a fake.
>Since many medieval manuscripts/texts all over Europe suffered or were
>embellished by various "remaniements," and since such additions cannot
>be purged without the existence of an provably authentic original manu-
>script, the consensus I heard was that the *Slovo* is most probably a
>true original with likely layers of additional material.

Yes, this could be a possibilty, nevertheless there *is* the unsolved
problem of the related "Zadonshchina" (Andre Mazon discussed this already
back in 1940), and the rather mysterious circumstances of the discovery
of the Ms. of "Slovo" and the circle of Count Musin-Pushkin with its
Masonic connections (cf. Walter Schamschula's important recent
contribution: The Igor' tale from Its Czech to Its Gaelic Connection. //
American Contributions to the XIth Congress of Slavists. Ann Arbor 1993,
130-153).

I again insist on the "spiritual tone" of the text. In *Western Europe*,
this "tone" is not to be found before the 14th/15th century, during Early
Renaissance. But in Rus'? Read Zadonshchina, there you have the same
motives and even whole phrases *without* these odd invocations of the Old
Gods, but of course just the "defense of the Rus'ian Land and the
Christian Faith" (which is one and the same).

>The concept of author as we know it now did not exist then -- roughly put,
>a modern author is the spiritual and legal "owner" of a text, and changes
>to the text which are not his/her work or at least accepted by him/her are
>not considered part of the "authoritative" text. Hence copyrights etc.
>This view would be irrelevant to the Middle Ages. More relevant, especially
>to the issue of the *Slovo*, is the concept of an "open tradition"
>throughout the European Middle Ages.

Even if the author was irrelevant, the tradition of the text itself was
not. It is not possible to read the "Slovo" purely as a work of art,
there is a political-ideological message in it as well, and this was
clearly intended, whether the text originated in the 12th or was
composed/rearranged in the 18th century under the reign of "Astraea"
Catherine II. And the political implication is even more dubious...


*************************************************

Markus Osterrieder, M.A.

u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de

CeltoSlavica - where East meets West
<http://www.geocities.com/~celtoslavica>

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From ipustino at syr.edu  Mon May  4 12:22:19 1998
From: ipustino at syr.edu (Irena Ustinova)
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 08:22:19 -0400
Subject: Help (Tolstoy)
Message-ID: <MON.4.MAY.1998.082219.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

As far as I remember ( I did not check), it's a scene of the first ball of
Natasha Rostova and Andrey from War and Peace.

Irena Ustinova
>
>I read Anna Karenina 15 years ago. I seem to remember a scene with Levin
>and Kitty. Levin is looking at Kitty who is looking elsewhere and Levin
>tells himself: "If she turns now and looks at me, she would be my wife".
>I am not sure of the exact words. I am not even sure if the scene is in
>Anna Karenina or War and Peace. I would be grateful if some one can help
>me to locate the 'event'.
>
>
>Thanks
>
>Subhash Jaireth
>
>


From ABoguslawski at rollins.edu  Mon May  4 17:42:51 1998
From: ABoguslawski at rollins.edu (Alexander Boguslawski)
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 10:42:51 -0700
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <MON.4.MAY.1998.104251.0700.>

Markus Osterrieder wrote:
>
> My main suspicion concerning the authenticity of "Slovo" stems from the
> "spiritual message" that it transports. Of course it appeals to a
> scientific mind of the 19th or 20th century to have such a expressive
> testimony of dvoeverie AND pan-Rus' patriotism in a document from the
> late 12th century. But: Who at that time had access to education, was
> able to read and write? Where, in which institutions could he learn this?
> Place yourself a bit in the mental context of the 12th century. In
> Scandinavia, Wales and Eire, there is in fact the transmission of old
> pagan lore, but it is always historic. Never, an *author* (someone who
> belongs to a elite) would freely mix Pagan and Christian concepts. There
> would be confrontation, yes, and christianizing of old spiritual beliefs
> and customs (the world of the peasants in many parts of Europe, not only
> among Eastern Slavs!, is full of this "dvoeverie" until late in our
> century - just have a look to the Bavarian countryside, for instance),
> but there would never be an sentimental invocation of the Old Gods as
> part of a praise to Svjataja Rus'.  One can argue that the concept of
> Rus'kaja zemlja has got pagan roots, but in the 12th century it was
> firmly anchored in the Christian sphere, in pravoslavie, and I doubt
> whether it would have been possible to bring up the Old World in such
> "official" matters without suffering serious consequences.
>
> To give an example: Towards the end of the Slovo, Igor rides "k svjatej
> Bogorodici Pirogoshchej". The author sings: "Zdravi knjazi i druzhina,
> pobaraja za khrist'jany na poganyja pl''ki!" He opposes the christian
> heroes and "poganii", but then he speaks about "vnuci Dazh'bozha" i
> "vetri, Stribozhi vnuci". This is nice, poetic, but not medieval, not
> even in Rus'. He could have called them grandchildren of their
> forefather, but not of a God, because this involves a rather complicated
> metaphysical outlook (the question from which God and totem a certain
> tribe derives). As a Christian, the author would have never used such
> elements to improve his style. And the winds as grandchildren of Stribog?
> Snorri Sturleson would have had a good laugh.
>
> This said, the use of the Old Gods seems so modern, it is completely out
> of context of the mind of medieval man, but hits exactly the tone of
> someone trained by Sturm und Drang and Enlightenment - well, yes, think
> of Ossian -, who has not a real spiritual understanding anymore, but just
> a sentimental approach. Just compare the use of the supernatural in e.g.
> Nibelungenlied and Slovo o polku Igoreve, or Slovo o pogibeli rus'koj
> zemli and Slovo o polku Igoreve.
>
> There is a political implication of the Slovo as well, of course, but I
> don't need to go into this now. The Slovo *is* great literature, no doubt
> about that.
>
> Markus Osterrieder, M.A.
>
> eMail: u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de
Dear Seelangers,

I am happy that the list found another fascinating topic to discuss,
but...  It is hard for me to understand (and believe) that even today
there are scholars who doubt the authenticity of the Slovo.  I am not
Russian and cannot be blamed for exaggerated patriotism, but I think
that enough was written about Igor to put to rest Mazon's inventions.
First of all, there is linguistic evidence.  Slovo is an authentic
12th-century work and nobody in the 18th-century Russia had enough
knowledge of linguistics to write a forgery of this kind.  Secondly,
Robert Mann, if I am not mistaken, wrote a convincing study of folk
background of Slovo, again proving that it is original and fits in the
literary and folklore tradition.  Third, Likhachev showed very clearly
that Zadonshchina is a secondary work which used Slovo as its basis, but
failed to understand the cultural layers of the original and thus
appears as an anachronistic work (Likhachev uses the term literary
etiquette and proves that Zadonshchina, by using Slovo without all the
necessary scholarly apparatus, violates the literary etiquette).
Finally, the message of the work is simple -- a call to unity (again,
appropriate for the 12th century) and obedience to the grand prince.  In
the 14th-15th centuries, such a call is no longer valid because of the
leading role of Moscow in the Russians' fight with the Mongols.  As far
as the pagan elements are concerned, they all fit quite well into the
overal poetic/folkloric spirit of the work.  All this has been analyzed
and elucidated much better by countless specialists who did extensive
research of chronicles, folklore, and primary and secondary sources.
Ascribing the work to some Masonic individual is, pardon my indignation,
senseless.  If such an individual (genius) existed, he would have given
us some other proofs of his incredible talents.

Alexander Boguslawski
Rollins College


From u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de  Mon May  4 17:00:29 1998
From: u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de (Markus Osterrieder)
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 19:00:29 +0200
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <MON.4.MAY.1998.190029.0200.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

On 04.05.1998 19:42 Uhr ABoguslawski at rollins.edu wrote:
>I am happy that the list found another fascinating topic to discuss,
>but...  It is hard for me to understand (and believe) that even today
>there are scholars who doubt the authenticity of the Slovo.

Yes, there are, and not the most ignorant: the late John L.I. Fennell
(Oxford, see his Early Russian Literature. London 1974), or Walter
Schamschula (Berkeley). The debate is still on. I recommend reading in
particular the works by A. A. Zimin, V. P. Kozlov's brilliant study
"Kruzhok A.I. Musina-Pushkina i Slovo o polku Igoreve", Moskva 1988, and
Ernst Trost: "Entwicklung und Stand der Kontroverse um die Echtheit des
Igorliedes". Symposium Slavicum. Ed. Erich Wedel, Innsbruck 1980, p.
149-162.

> I am not
>Russian and cannot be blamed for exaggerated patriotism, but I think
>that enough was written about Igor to put to rest Mazon's inventions.

Inventions? Did you read Mazon's book ???

>First of all, there is linguistic evidence.  Slovo is an authentic
>12th-century work and nobody in the 18th-century Russia had enough
>knowledge of linguistics to write a forgery of this kind.  Secondly,
>Robert Mann, if I am not mistaken, wrote a convincing study of folk
>background of Slovo, again proving that it is original and fits in the
>literary and folklore tradition.
>Third, Likhachev showed very clearly
>that Zadonshchina is a secondary work which used Slovo as its basis, but
>failed to understand the cultural layers of the original and thus
>appears as an anachronistic work (Likhachev uses the term literary
>etiquette and proves that Zadonshchina, by using Slovo without all the
>necessary scholarly apparatus, violates the literary etiquette).

No wonder that Zadonshchina "failed to understand" the cultural layers of
the "original", for they *don't fit* into the religious, cultural and
political context of pre-Mongolian Rus' after the sack of Kiev by Andrej
Bogoljubskij (they neither fit before).
With all respect for Lixachev, but you have to consider that before 1986,
there was an "official thesis" concerning "drevnerusskij narod" and the
like, with a special preference for "pagan", pre-Christian "Russian
elements" as fundaments of "nationbuilding" and "statefounding". You
could name Rybakov as well. Cf. D. Ostrowski: The Christianization of
Rus' in Soviet Historiography: Attitudes and Interpretations, 1920-1960.
In: Harvard Ukrainian Studies 11 (1987), 444-461.

>Finally, the message of the work is simple -- a call to unity (again,
>appropriate for the 12th century) and obedience to the grand prince.  In
>the 14th-15th centuries, such a call is no longer valid because of the
>leading role of Moscow in the Russians' fight with the Mongols.

Yes, but this exactly is the point: it is not so simple, at least for
historians, once you don't stick to "official" historiography. Have a
start with these titles: A.N. Nasonov: Russkaja zemlja i obrazovanie
territorii drevnerusskogo gosudarstva. Moskva 1951; J. Pelenski: The Sack
of Kiev of 1169: Its Significance for the Succession to Kievan Rus'. In:
Harvard Ukrainian Studies 11 (1987), 303-316; H. Paszkiewicz: The Making
of the Russian Nation. London 1963; C.J. Halperin: The Concept of the
Russian Land from the 9th to the 14th Century. In: Russian History 2
(1975), 29-38, and: The Concept of the Ruskaia Zemlia and Medieval
Russian National Consciousness. In: Nationalities Papers 8:1 (1980),
75-94; P. Bushkovitch: Rus' in the Ethnic Nomenclature of the PVL. In:
Cahiers du Monde Russe et Sovietique 12 (1971), 296-306, and: The
Formation of a National Conciousness in Early Modern Russia. In: Harvard
Ukrainian Studies 10 (1986), 355-376; maybe my own modest contribution as
well: Von der Sakralgemeinschaft zur modernen Nation. Die Entstehung
eines Nationalbewusstseins unter Russen, Ukrainern, Weissruthenen im
Lichte der Thesen Benedict Andersons. In: Formen des nationalen
Bewusstseins im Lichte zeitgenoessischer Nationalismustheorien. Ed. Eva
Schmidt-Hartmann. Muenchen 1994, 197-232.

>As far
>as the pagan elements are concerned, they all fit quite well into the
>overal poetic/folkloric spirit of the work.

But don't you agree that it is one thing that they "fit" into the spirit
of the work, and another thing whether they actually represent medieval
spirituality?

Or is this just a quantite negligeable, because the sense for the
spiritual doesn't mean anything to us (well, to some of us)? Why is this
artistic use of pagan Gods unique to early East Slav literature and
thinking? Or did the writer read the works by Alanus ab Insulis or
Bernardus Silvestris from the School of Chartres who, in their works,
used Greek Gods as metaphoric representations of Christian virtues? One
must remember that the author uses names that are known from folk-lore,
but *the way* he uses them is *not folk-lore at all*, but "bookish",
learned. Where did the author learn about Greek mythology and its
attributions? To compare with authentic "christian-pagan", dvoeverie
popular spirituality, just read A. Afanas'ev: Poeticeskie vozzrenija
slavjan na prirodu. 3 vol., Reprint Moskva 1994, or G. Fedotov: Stixi
duxovnye: Russkaja narodnaja vera po duxovnym stixam. Reprint Moskva
1991.

>All this has been analyzed
>and elucidated much better by countless specialists who did extensive
>research of chronicles, folklore, and primary and secondary sources.

I bow to the specialists and their authority, yet there are other (maybe
not "countless") specialists with differing opinions as well, and
"Authority" (with a big "A") should never be the convincing factor in
scholarship, even if the name is Lixachev. Accuracy is much better.
Besides, I do research on my own, so I don't speak just from hearsay.

>Ascribing the work to some Masonic individual is, pardon my indignation,
>senseless.  If such an individual (genius) existed, he would have given
>us some other proofs of his incredible talents.

The author is unknown, it would be pure speculation to identify "some
Masonic individual" or any other individual as such. But the kruzhok of
the "discoverers" *had* a Masonic background, and there *were* political
goals going hand in hand with the edition. This is *fact*. And it would
contribute to a better understanding of the genesis of the Slovo, if this
wouldn't be ignored.

Regards,

Markus Osterrieder


*************************************************

Markus Osterrieder, M.A.

u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de

CeltoSlavica - where East meets West
<http://www.geocities.com/~celtoslavica>

********************************************************


From solomons at slt.lk  Mon May  4 17:54:20 1998
From: solomons at slt.lk (Wendell W. Solomons)
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 23:54:20 +0600
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve ???
Message-ID: <MON.4.MAY.1998.235420.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Greetings folks!

Alexander Boguslawski seems to ask where such dedicated scholarly
research is going rationally on the list. 

On 03.05.1998 23:29 <frosset at wheatonma.edu> had previously written:

>The concept of author as we know it now did not exist then -- roughly put,
>a modern author is the spiritual and legal "owner" of a text, and changes
>to the text which are not his/her work or at least accepted by him/her are
>not considered part of the "authoritative" text. Hence copyrights etc.
>This view would be irrelevant to the Middle Ages. More relevant, especially
>to the issue of the *Slovo*, is the concept of an "open tradition"
>throughout the European Middle Ages.

From: Markus Osterrieder <u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de>

Even if the author was irrelevant, the tradition of the text itself was
not. It is not possible to read the "Slovo" purely as a work of art,
there is a political-ideological message in it as well, and this was
clearly intended, whether the text originated in the 12th or was
composed/rearranged in the 18th century under the reign of "Astraea"
Catherine II. And the political implication is even more dubious...

----------------

On 04.05.1998 19:42 ABoguslawski at rollins.edu wrote:

>Ascribing the work to some Masonic individual is, pardon my indignation,
>senseless.  If such an individual (genius) existed, he would have given
>us some other proofs of his incredible talents.

From: Markus Osterrieder <u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de

The author is unknown, it would be pure speculation to identify "some
Masonic individual" or any other individual as such. But the kruzhok of
the "discoverers" *had* a Masonic background, and there *were* political
goals going hand in hand with the edition. This is *fact*. And it would
contribute to a better understanding of the genesis of the Slovo, if this
wouldn't be ignored.

----------------

>>From solomons @ slt.lk now:

When Markus Osterrieder (above) mentions the political, it appeared
to me that the work he is doing has value without being re-run up and
down the general list where he has returned a blank.

Hieroglyphics have been deciphered by Egyptologists. Markus might do the
obvious, continue working with researchers in medievial history, compare
and contrast. This could even be rapidly dated using mathematical logic
and statistics. Today we have what the Egyptologists didn't have -- the
power of electronic computing science.

As far as a more general list like ours is concerned one could only
fish out general opinions. Why would he spend so much time with general
opinions ??? What is the purpose ???

Mark it, even when drawing a blank with general opinions, there is a
living to be made. Though the Cold War is over, Richard Pipes is out there
searching for theories to bring back the Iron Curtain. He has this great
NATO expansion plan for a start which Secy Albright has just got through
the U.S. Senate. It's some sort of fencing out, like with the Red Indians,
the reservations; or like with the aborigines in Australia.

Therefore the hint of a dubious, dangerous masonic political theory -- if
it passes muster on a list like ours -- well, it would be useful to Richard
P (and Zbigniev B; then, Strobe T sits in the State Department itself.)

Yet, watch out if that reservation should explode among its 6000 nuclear
warheads. That's a couple of hundred times more than was used in WW2.

Nothing in this world would cover up the "The Crime of the Century"
as Jeffery Sachs "reformed" Russia while Kremlinologists and numerous
other country specialists kept mum.

Since the new entrants to NATO can't afford to re-equip armies, the U.S.
taxpayer is going to need a lot of Masonic bogeymen and other threats to
justify paying for military hardware during peacetime now that the Iron
Curtain has been removed.

Albright was booed at the Town Hall meeting; Greenspan of the FED was
similarly booed previously in California about sending money overseas.
So we need bogeymen.

:------------------:
wendell w. solomons
management research
:------------------:

    &           &  Adolf Hitler, 1925 - The broad mass of a nation... will
    &           &  more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one.
 \  &   \       &  (Mein Kampf)
    &\,  ___  ,/&  
  \ & \\//"\\// &  Abraham Lincoln, 1809–65, 16th US President -  You may fool
    &  \('_')/  &  all the people some of the time; you can even fool some 
   (&'---`-'---'&  of the people some of the time; but you can't fool all of
    &`"-.   .-"`&  the people all the time. (Quoted by biographer.)
    &###|===\###&
    #####\ \ \###
          \ \ \  
           \()()  

<URL>http://www.humnet.ucla.edu/humnet/anthropoetics/AP0201/interv.htm>

    Interview with Ren\e' Girard (1/2)

 Anthropoetics II, no. 1 (June 1996)

Interview with Rene' Girard
==========================

Markus Mu"ller

Department of French, UCLA
muller at humnet.ucla.edu

Q: Prof. Girard, the forthcoming issue of Anthropoetics is devoted
to your work and I would like to take the opportunity of this
interview to establish a dialogue between your work and Generative
Anthropology [...}

Prof. Girard:
[...]In my view the sacrificial crisis is a mimetic escalation and
it is of such a nature that it takes a tremendous shock, something
tremendously violent itself, to interrupt the scapegoat mechanism.
And the scapegoat mechanism, in order to be effective, must be une
grande chose, in other words people must really project their
tensions and aggressions against the victim.

Q: Sorry if I interrupt you here. You mean to say that
scapegoating cannot be done effectively if we are conscious of it?

Prof. Girard:
Exactly, there is no such thing as conscious scapegoating.
Conscious scapegoating is a modern parody of this scapegoating
which is of the order of propaganda, because it implies prior
representation. But for me the first representation is really the
sacred because if scapegoating works, that is, if you are not
aware of the projection against the victim and if the scapegoating
is unanimous, if the mimetic impulse is rigorous enough to make it
unanimous, which may happen only after a great deal of violence
and after a phase of what I would call partial scapegoatings... I
think that Shakespeare has something to say about that in Julius
Caesar. You know there is the phase of the conspiracy against
Caesar and the various factions fighting each other that
culminates in civil war. It's only at the end that you have a
complete and unanimous scapegoating. To make a long story short,
the first representations to me would be false representations of
scapegoating, which are the sacred. And scapegoating really means
that we are genuinely reconciled. [...]


From konecny at rcf.usc.edu  Mon May  4 19:02:29 1998
From: konecny at rcf.usc.edu (konecny)
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 11:02:29 -0800
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Louri=E9?=
Message-ID: <MON.4.MAY.1998.110229.0800.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Seelangers,

does anyone know where I could find either the sheet music for or a
recording of Arthur Lourié's op. 40 for piano? (it is entitled Oshybka
baryshni smerti) or perhaps, more generally, a place to find cds of his
music?
Thanx in advance, Mark Konecny.


From u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de  Mon May  4 18:59:37 1998
From: u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de (Markus Osterrieder)
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 20:59:37 +0200
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve ???
Message-ID: <MON.4.MAY.1998.205937.0200.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Excuse me, but what is this rubbish all about?

Is this a list dedicated to scholarship, or is this alt.conspiracy or
alt.lunatic? Can't you accept any historical debate without using a
pump-gun? Just because I quote literature and do not stick to "general
opinions", I am on the pay-roll of Cold Warriors? Or is just your
personal spleen, to remain polite? If you got it like this, then you
understood nothing at all. This is not about Cold War. My starting point
was the "religious-spiritual accuracy" of a medieval epic, not a
conspiracy plot, CIA propaganda, or other rubbish. It is a bad sign for
the mental state of our age that you can't bring up many a subject
without being hit by "political correctness" or by frankly disturbed
arguments.

It is very disappointing and sad to have this as an "academic"
feedback...

Sad for the beautiful Slovo...

Markus


On 04.05.1998 19:54 Uhr solomons at slt.lk wrote:
>When Markus Osterrieder (above) mentions the political, it appeared
>to me that the work he is doing has value without being re-run up and
>down the general list where he has returned a blank.
>Hieroglyphics have been deciphered by Egyptologists. Markus might do the
>obvious, continue working with researchers in medievial history, compare
>and contrast. This could even be rapidly dated using mathematical logic
>and statistics. Today we have what the Egyptologists didn't have -- the
>power of electronic computing science.
>As far as a more general list like ours is concerned one could only
>fish out general opinions. Why would he spend so much time with general
>opinions ??? What is the purpose ???
>Mark it, even when drawing a blank with general opinions, there is a
>living to be made. Though the Cold War is over, Richard Pipes is out there
>searching for theories to bring back the Iron Curtain. He has this great
>NATO expansion plan for a start which Secy Albright has just got through
>the U.S. Senate. It's some sort of fencing out, like with the Red Indians,
>the reservations; or like with the aborigines in Australia.
>
>Therefore the hint of a dubious, dangerous masonic political theory -- if
>it passes muster on a list like ours -- well, it would be useful to Richard
>P (and Zbigniev B; then, Strobe T sits in the State Department itself.)
>
>Yet, watch out if that reservation should explode among its 6000 nuclear
>warheads. That's a couple of hundred times more than was used in WW2.
>
>Nothing in this world would cover up the "The Crime of the Century"
>as Jeffery Sachs "reformed" Russia while Kremlinologists and numerous
>other country specialists kept mum.
>
>Since the new entrants to NATO can't afford to re-equip armies, the U.S.
>taxpayer is going to need a lot of Masonic bogeymen and other threats to
>justify paying for military hardware during peacetime now that the Iron
>Curtain has been removed.
>
>Albright was booed at the Town Hall meeting; Greenspan of the FED was
>similarly booed previously in California about sending money overseas.
>So we need bogeymen.
>
>:------------------:
>wendell w. solomons
>management research
>:------------------:
>
>    &           &  Adolf Hitler, 1925 - The broad mass of a nation... will
>    &           &  more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one.
> \  &   \       &  (Mein Kampf)
>    &\,  ___  ,/&
>  \ & \\//"\\// &  Abraham Lincoln, 1809–65, 16th US President -  You may
>fool
>    &  \('_')/  &  all the people some of the time; you can even fool some
>   (&'---`-'---'&  of the people some of the time; but you can't fool all of
>    &`"-.   .-"`&  the people all the time. (Quoted by biographer.)
>    &###|===\###&
>    #####\ \ \###
>          \ \ \
>           \()()


From JKALB at WELLESLEY.EDU  Mon May  4 19:18:22 1998
From: JKALB at WELLESLEY.EDU (Judith E. Kalb)
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 15:18:22 -0400
Subject: utomlennoe solntse...
Message-ID: <MON.4.MAY.1998.151822.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Does anyone happen to know where one could get the words to that famous
song--and author and composer if possible? Any thoughts would be much
appreciated!
Thank you,
Judith Kalb

Dr. Judith E. Kalb
Department of Russian
Wellesley College
Wellesley, MA 02181
jkalb at wellesley.edu


From solomons at slt.lk  Mon May  4 20:49:20 1998
From: solomons at slt.lk (Wendell W. Solomons)
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 02:49:20 +0600
Subject: Better active than radioactive
Message-ID: <TUE.5.MAY.1998.024920.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Greetings friends!

I want to clarify that I am wholly aware that I cannot afford
ad hominem and personal hostility on lists. By the same token
I do not fancy involvement in exorcism.

=-=-=-=-=

I had been jolted by comments indicating that we may be overinvolved
and out in rather deep waters.

If the languages and the civilizations we discuss are principally
European, with a minimum of 20 million people unpaid for 8 months
in Russia and still more in the former republics,  we may see
something more than a Titanic going down alongside Warsaw, Prague
and Vienna.

To remeber Musoursgky's "Pictures at an Exhibition," if we survive
it could well be like "The dead speaking with the dead in a dead
language."

It is to do something for civilization that we must sometimes express
ourselves though the ships' captains may be wearing the cap of the
expert.

This comes from non-conformism which is the mainstream Western heritage
though an anarchist trend received some support particularly when community
U.S.AID funds in $ 250 million were given under an uncontested bid to
expert Jeffery Sachs.

It was in this self-same spirit that I spoke in 1992 about Captain Sachs
devastating reforms despite Kremlinologists' and other expert silence.

It is in the same spirit that I undisguisedly search for some bricks in
historical structures so that we can manage to build a future. Someone
must do this -- history has its applied purpose too.

That's all. And that's my management research. Any bricks for construction
welcome.

Better active than radioactive!

Let's build Shalom, Peace, Mir together without scapegoating! We are all in
it together.

:------------------:
wendell w. solomons
management research
:------------------:


From kaiserdwjr at hotmail.com  Mon May  4 21:13:09 1998
From: kaiserdwjr at hotmail.com (David Kaiser)
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 16:13:09 CDT
Subject: Better active than radioactive
Message-ID: <MON.4.MAY.1998.161309.CDT.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Is anyone else as boggled by this as I am?

>
>I had been jolted by comments indicating that we may be overinvolved
>and out in rather deep waters.
>
>If the languages and the civilizations we discuss are principally
>European, with a minimum of 20 million people unpaid for 8 months
>in Russia and still more in the former republics,  we may see
>something more than a Titanic going down alongside Warsaw, Prague
>and Vienna.
>
>To remeber Musoursgky's "Pictures at an Exhibition," if we survive
>it could well be like "The dead speaking with the dead in a dead
>language."
>
>It is to do something for civilization that we must sometimes express
>ourselves though the ships' captains may be wearing the cap of the
>expert.
>
>This comes from non-conformism which is the mainstream Western heritage
>though an anarchist trend received some support particularly when
community
>U.S.AID funds in $ 250 million were given under an uncontested bid to
>expert Jeffery Sachs.
>
>It was in this self-same spirit that I spoke in 1992 about Captain
Sachs
>devastating reforms despite Kremlinologists' and other expert silence.
>
>It is in the same spirit that I undisguisedly search for some bricks in
>historical structures so that we can manage to build a future. Someone
>must do this -- history has its applied purpose too.
>
>That's all. And that's my management research. Any bricks for
construction
>welcome.
>
>Better active than radioactive!
>
>Let's build Shalom, Peace, Mir together without scapegoating! We are
all in
>it together.
>
>:------------------:
>wendell w. solomons
>management research
>:------------------:
>


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From KHIRVASA at carleton.edu  Mon May  4 21:41:06 1998
From: KHIRVASA at carleton.edu (Katya Hirvasaho)
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 15:41:06 -0600
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <MON.4.MAY.1998.154106.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I want to express my appreciation to Markus Osterrieder for the valuable
information on research casting doubt on the authenticity of _Slovo o polku
Igoreve_.. I have studied the early romantic period, particularly Russian
(and European) Ossianism, and the ideological and stylistic similarities
between _Slovo_ and _Ossian_ can hardly be considered minor (Nabokov points
out some of the minor "co-incidences" in his translation of _Slovo_).  I
doubt that many people have read _The Poems of Ossian_, but it might be
worthwhile for anyone who is arguing about _Slovo o polku Igoreve_, whether
pro or con authenticity, to at least take a peek of the first volume,
"Fingal," and witness for themselves the same figurative language,
animistic world view, personification of nature ("and the trees bent down
in sorrow"), not to mention the concept of nation and of the exulted role
of the bard found in _Ossian_ and which was typical to the latter part of
the 18th C.  You will even find Yaroslavna's (Malvina's) lament in
_Ossian_!

Katya Hirvasaho


From graber at gwis2.circ.gwu.edu  Mon May  4 22:36:20 1998
From: graber at gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (David S. Graber)
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 18:36:20 -0400
Subject: What should we tell our students...
In-Reply-To: <199804300503.WAA25836@opengovt.open.org>
Message-ID: <MON.4.MAY.1998.183620.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

...about business in Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union?

I have received many requests about my last posting, so here is an update.

Some interesting processes are going on:

The big money-givers are supporting improvements in the telephone
networks, because that kind of infrastructure is important for all kinds
of development. Motorola, Ericsson and Nokia are in the news alot in this
area. Globally, the industry is responding more to customer lifestyles and
business needs, and the state of the technology is not the most important
factor. Also, there is a big rush to integrate services across the
different standards and ways of delivering regular and cellular telephone
service, faxing, Internet access, TV, etc.

Inhabitants of the former communist countries are more and more willing to
pay to live more comfortably, and they are buying cars, and household
appliances. Companies like Ford, GM, Daewoo, Renault, Fiat, and
Bosch-Siemens are banking on this.

In entertainment, MTV just launched a new 24-hour Russian language
version, -- an MTV customized for Russian audiences. Ronald Lauder, the
cosmetic empire heir, runs a company from Bermuda called CME which owns
many TV stations all over Eastern Europe.

Several big real estate and development companies are buying property to
put up malls in Poland, and to a lesser degree, the same is going on
throughout many Eastern European countries, particularly the ones such as
the Czech Republic and Hungary, which have developed their economies more
quickly.

David S. Graber, Ph.D.                          tel. (202) 994-6335
Dept. of German and Slavic                      fax  (202) 994-0171
George Washington University                    graber at gwis2.circ.gwu.edu
2130 H Street, NW
Washington, DC 20052


From rar at slavic.umass.edu  Tue May  5 02:06:48 1998
From: rar at slavic.umass.edu (ROBERT A ROTHSTEIN)
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 22:06:48 -0400
Subject: utomlennoe solntse...
In-Reply-To: <01IWN1XWON4Y8XCW0I@WELLESLEY.EDU>
Message-ID: <MON.4.MAY.1998.220648.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>
> Does anyone happen to know where one could get the words to that famous
> song--and author and composer if possible? Any thoughts would be much
> appreciated!
> Thank you,
> Judith Kalb
>

        Utomlennoe solntse
        Nezhno s morem proshchalos',
        V etot chas ty priznalas',
        Chto net liubvi.

        Mne nemnogo vzgrustnulos'
        Bez toski, bez pechali.
        V etot chas prozvuchali
        Slova tvoi.

        Rasstaemsia,
        Ia ne v silakh zlit'sia,
        Vinovaty
        V etom ty i ia.

        Utomlennoe solntse...

The Russian text by I. Al'bek was set to part of the melody of the
prewar Polish tango by Jerzy Petersburski, words by Zenon Friedwald,
"To ostatnia niedziela."

                                Bob Rothstein


From JKALB at WELLESLEY.EDU  Tue May  5 02:21:03 1998
From: JKALB at WELLESLEY.EDU (Judith E. Kalb)
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 22:21:03 -0400
Subject: utomlennoe solntse...
Message-ID: <MON.4.MAY.1998.222103.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Thanks to all for your help--I appreciate it very much!
Best wishes,
Judith Kalb

Dr. Judith E. Kalb
Department of Russian
Wellesley College
Wellesley, MA 02181
jkalb at wellesley.edu


From thebaron at interaccess.com  Tue May  5 13:40:44 1998
From: thebaron at interaccess.com (baron chivrin)
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 08:40:44 -0500
Subject: does anybody know hungarian?
Message-ID: <TUE.5.MAY.1998.084044.0500.>

Dear Seelangers--

I encountered the following text in Emmerich Kalman's operetta The
Duchess of Chicago:

"Isten velet, isten velet, draga violam.
Sir a szivem, sir a lelkem, draga violam."

Although the rest of the operetta was written in German, this one
snippet appears in a climactic scene. Though I do not know Hungarian,
I'm assuming from the speaker of the lines that it is Hungarian. Can any
one corroborate this for me and tell me what it means?

Thank you in advance.

Baron Chivrin
thebaron at interaccess.com


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From gfowler at indiana.edu  Tue May  5 15:24:37 1998
From: gfowler at indiana.edu (gfowler)
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:24:37 -0500
Subject: does anybody know hungarian?
In-Reply-To: <199805051337.IAA13340@indiana.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.5.MAY.1998.102437.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Assuming that there is a small error (velet instead of veled), the lines
mean:

> "Isten velet, isten velet, draga violam.
> Sir a szivem, sir a lelkem, draga violam."

God is with you, God is with you, my dear Viola,
My heart is crying, my soul is crying, my dear Viola.

George Fowler


From akrill at shiva.hunter.cuny.edu  Tue May  5 18:22:18 1998
From: akrill at shiva.hunter.cuny.edu (Hanya Krill)
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 14:22:18 -0400
Subject: Post-Colonial Problems of Contemporary Ukrainian Culture --
 Lecture
Message-ID: <TUE.5.MAY.1998.142218.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

                      LECTURE

               Natalia Bilotserkivets
               Poet, Literary Critic
                   Kyiv Essayist

              Post-Colonial Problems
        of Contemporary Ukrainian Culture

            Saturday, May 9, 5:00 p.m.
           at the Society's building on
        63 4th Ave., New York, N.Y., 10003
            http://www.brama.com/sss/

  Lectures and discussions conducted in Ukrainian


The poems titled:
                       Nichni Litaky
                       Elehiya Picasso
                       Pora Repetytsij

by Natalka Bilotserkivets can be read in Ukrainian at this URL:

http://www.brama.com/art/lit.html


Hanya Krill
Webmaster, BRAMA - Gateway Ukraine
http://www.brama.com/
admin at brama.com


From margadon at quicklink.com  Tue May  5 13:35:43 1998
From: margadon at quicklink.com (A & Y)
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:35:43 -0400
Subject: Bible quotations in "The Possessed"
Message-ID: <TUE.5.MAY.1998.093543.0400.MARGADON@QUICKLINK.COM>

Would someone be kind enough to point me to the Bible quotations in
Dostoevsky's "Besy" ("The Possessed"), i.e. their page #'s.  Interpretive
comments on their significance would also be appreciated.

Thank you!

Yelena Kachuro


From jlrice38 at open.org  Tue May  5 22:35:18 1998
From: jlrice38 at open.org (James L. Rice)
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 18:35:18 EDT
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <TUE.5.MAY.1998.183518.EDT.>

Colleagues:                                     May 3, 1998

If you feel the need of some essential homework on the Igor Tale (SOPI),
here are a few sources that should not be overlooked:

(1) Roman Jakobson, SELECTED WRITINGS, vol. 4: SLAVIC EPIC STUDIES, 1966.
        Reprints his major contributions on the subject, targets his chief
        opponent of the 'forties & 'fifties, Mazon. A good popularizing
polemic, in English, is his "Puzzles of the Igor' Tale on the 150th
Anniversary of Its First Edition" (tam zhe).
(2) A. Zimin, "Kogda bylo napisano 'Slovo'?" in VOPROSY LITERATURY 1967 No
3,         135-152.  By then Zimin's doubts about the authenticity had come
under attack by a massive interdisciplinary collective in the
        USSR, and Jakobson had lambasted Z's unpublished 1963 monograph in
the volume cited above: see "Retrospect" pp. 656f.)
(3) The eighteenth-century European and Russian background (Ossianism, etc.)
        which encourages one to take the possibility of "hoax" seriously is
        richly reviewed by Charles A. Moser in the issue of
CANADIAN-AMERICAN         SLAVIC STUDIES that appeared in early fall 1973.
<I remember reading         it then, but don't have it handy.>
(4) Many very good articles on all aspects of the problem are found in
        ISSLEDOVANIE "SLOVA O POLKU IGOREVE, ed. by D. S. Likhachev (Nauka
1986 (esp.: Likhachev's "Problema daty sozdaniia 'Slova o polku
Igoreve'", and V. P. Kozlov's "K istorii 'Slova o polku Igoreve' v
kontse XVIII v.").
(5) The best efforts of gifted poets like Karamzin and L'vov to stylize
ANYTHING in a "folk manner" are ham-handed and ludicrous (leaning
toward parody), and on the other hand, Pushkin -- who had perfect
stylistic pitch (no doubt through a special genetic endowment) --
never expressed the least doubt about the Igor Tale's authenticity.

Modern arguments are buttressed not just by Turcology and Slavic linguistics,
but also by geographic, geological, zoological, and genealogical studies.
The argued opinions of many scholars expert in the 12th century are on
record.  There is nothing productive to be had by "polling the delegation"
of Slavic literary historians.  Better to follow their refereed publications.

Jim Rice
University of Oregon


From richmond at tiger.cc.oxy.edu  Tue May  5 22:46:46 1998
From: richmond at tiger.cc.oxy.edu (Prof. Walter Comins-Richmond)
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 18:46:46 EDT
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
In-Reply-To: <354d65925547002@sunsrv5.lrz-muenchen.de>
Message-ID: <TUE.5.MAY.1998.184646.EDT.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

The text, regardless of its source, is universally considered a brilliant
work. If someone can identify an author of the late 18th century who was
capable of writing at this level, then I would accept the forgery theory.

**********************************
Walter Comins-Richmond
Assistant Professor
Department of Languages and Literatures
Occidental College
Los Angeles, CA 90041


From roborr at aix1.uottawa.ca  Wed May  6 00:18:14 1998
From: roborr at aix1.uottawa.ca (Robert Orr)
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 20:18:14 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
In-Reply-To: <v01510100b173e3e202a6@[137.22.63.33]>
Message-ID: <TUE.5.MAY.1998.201814.0400.>

On reflection, I'm actually wondering if the Slovo ought to be compared
with the Ossianic material at all.  The Slovo was written in a language
that cannot be faulted as Medieval East Slavic.  The Ossianic poems on the
other hand, are written in eighteenth century English, allegedly on the
basis of Gaelic originals. Comparing Ossian and the Slovo may be in
the order of a straight comparison of a poem by, e.g., Derzhavin with the
Slovo.

In that context, citing phrases, such as "and the trees bent down
> in sorrow" for purposes of comparison with the Slovo really will not do.
What was the Gaelic original of that phrase (if there was one)?

It may be noted that Bardachd Gaidhlig (Gaelic Poetry 1550-1900), a
comprehensive collection, contains no material by MacPherson, and in a
60-page introduction dismisses the Ossianic material with the comment
"The range of modern poetry is quite unrestricted.  It has indeed produced
nothing in the way of drama or epic, if we except the Ossianic poetry put
together by James Macpherson: these forms were never practised by the
Gael."

Another, related point:

In a previous posting I stated that the writers of certain other
forgeries/fabrications roughly coeval to the Slovo "did not have too
great a knowledge of the idiom".  I had James Macpherson and Ossian in
mind.  What is not generally known is that Macpherson's Gaelic
wasn't actually that good.  There's a tale that he visited one of the old
poets of Uist, John MacCodrum, and asked him:
Am bheil dad agaibh air na Feinne? - "Do you have anything on the Fiann?"
- or so he thought, but the Gaelic idiom actually means "Do the Fiann owe
you anything?", which he ought to have known.

MacCodrum, well-known as a ready wit, replied "Chan 'eil, agus ged a
bhiodh cha ruig a leas iarraidh a nis" - "No, and if they did, it wouldn't
be worth asking for it now."

Maybe this was why Macpherson never let people see the original Ossians.

Is the Slovo remotely in the same league?

I would beg the indulgence of one SEELANZHANKA, to whom I have already
sent this one off list!

On Mon, 4 May 1998, Katya Hirvasaho wrote:

> I want to express my appreciation to Markus Osterrieder for the valuable
> information on research casting doubt on the authenticity of _Slovo o polku
> Igoreve_.. I have studied the early romantic period, particularly Russian
> (and European) Ossianism, and the ideological and stylistic similarities
> between _Slovo_ and _Ossian_ can hardly be considered minor (Nabokov points
> out some of the minor "co-incidences" in his translation of _Slovo_).  I
> doubt that many people have read _The Poems of Ossian_, but it might be
> worthwhile for anyone who is arguing about _Slovo o polku Igoreve_, whether
> pro or con authenticity, to at least take a peek of the first volume,
> "Fingal," and witness for themselves the same figurative language,
> animistic world view, personification of nature ("and the trees bent down
> in sorrow"), not to mention the concept of nation and of the exulted role
> of the bard found in _Ossian_ and which was typical to the latter part of
> the 18th C.  You will even find Yaroslavna's (Malvina's) lament in
> _Ossian_!
>
> Katya Hirvasaho
>


From japontiu at midway.uchicago.edu  Wed May  6 01:11:07 1998
From: japontiu at midway.uchicago.edu (Jason Pontius)
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 20:11:07 -0500
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980505103810.546A-100000@tiger>
Message-ID: <TUE.5.MAY.1998.201107.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>The text, regardless of its source, is universally considered a brilliant
>work. If someone can identify an author of the late 18th century who was
>capable of writing at this level, then I would accept the forgery theory.

So far I don't think anyone has mentioned the theory (promoted by Edward
Keenan of Yale in a memorable debate here at the U of C) that the author is
the great Czech theologian and philologist Josef Dobrovsky.

It's been a while, but as I understand it the argument relies on three
basic points: (1) that Dobrovsky had the opportunity to see the manuscript
of Zadonshchina before it was made public in the 1790's; (2) that JD,
without question one of the great linguistic minds of his time, had the
requisite philological knowledge to write the Igor Tale, or to provide
linguistic advice to the manuscript's author; and (3) that no mention of
the IT occurs _anywhere_ before around 1790.  I'm a bit unclear as to what
Dobrovsky's motive for forging an Old Russian document would be; but the
argument is intriguing.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jason Pontius
Slavic Languages and Literatures
University of Chicago
japontiu at midway.uchicago.edu

The Slavic Dungeon:  http://humanities.uchicago.edu/orgs/slavgrad


From jdwest at u.washington.edu  Wed May  6 01:12:36 1998
From: jdwest at u.washington.edu (James West)
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 18:12:36 -0700
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
In-Reply-To: <Pine.A41.3.95q.980505195132.25262A-100000@aix1.uottawa.ca>
Message-ID: <TUE.5.MAY.1998.181236.0700.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I'll second the notion that the Slovo ought not to be compared with the
Ossianic material. The Ossianic poems aren't just written in 18th-c
English; they're written in 18th-c English modified to approximate what an
18th-c Scot with a Classical education and limited Gaelic thought an
ancient Gaelic epic might sound like if rendered into 18th-c English.
Sound artificial? You bet it does, and the modifications become even more
transparent when some of them give a little jolt of recognition to anyone
who's read Homer in the original ("may ... the ocean roll its white
waves..."). Then there's the issue of literary quality. Put it this way:
the line: "Oozy daughter of streams, that now art reared on high, speak to
the feeble, O stone!" has failed to win immortality in more than two
centuries of trying.

James West

On Tue, 5 May 1998, Robert Orr wrote:

> On reflection, I'm actually wondering if the Slovo ought to be compared
> with the Ossianic material at all.  The Slovo was written in a language
> that cannot be faulted as Medieval East Slavic.  The Ossianic poems on the
> other hand, are written in eighteenth century English, allegedly on the
> basis of Gaelic originals. Comparing Ossian and the Slovo may be in
> the order of a straight comparison of a poem by, e.g., Derzhavin with the
> Slovo.
>
> In that context, citing phrases, such as "and the trees bent down
> > in sorrow" for purposes of comparison with the Slovo really will not do.
> What was the Gaelic original of that phrase (if there was one)?
>
> It may be noted that Bardachd Gaidhlig (Gaelic Poetry 1550-1900), a
> comprehensive collection, contains no material by MacPherson, and in a
> 60-page introduction dismisses the Ossianic material with the comment
> "The range of modern poetry is quite unrestricted.  It has indeed produced
> nothing in the way of drama or epic, if we except the Ossianic poetry put
> together by James Macpherson: these forms were never practised by the
> Gael."
>
> Another, related point:
>
> In a previous posting I stated that the writers of certain other
> forgeries/fabrications roughly coeval to the Slovo "did not have too
> great a knowledge of the idiom".  I had James Macpherson and Ossian in
> mind.  What is not generally known is that Macpherson's Gaelic
> wasn't actually that good.  There's a tale that he visited one of the old
> poets of Uist, John MacCodrum, and asked him:
> Am bheil dad agaibh air na Feinne? - "Do you have anything on the Fiann?"
> - or so he thought, but the Gaelic idiom actually means "Do the Fiann owe
> you anything?", which he ought to have known.
>
> MacCodrum, well-known as a ready wit, replied "Chan 'eil, agus ged a
> bhiodh cha ruig a leas iarraidh a nis" - "No, and if they did, it wouldn't
> be worth asking for it now."
>
> Maybe this was why Macpherson never let people see the original Ossians.
>
> Is the Slovo remotely in the same league?
>
> I would beg the indulgence of one SEELANZHANKA, to whom I have already
> sent this one off list!
>
> On Mon, 4 May 1998, Katya Hirvasaho wrote:
>
> > I want to express my appreciation to Markus Osterrieder for the valuable
> > information on research casting doubt on the authenticity of _Slovo o polku
> > Igoreve_.. I have studied the early romantic period, particularly Russian
> > (and European) Ossianism, and the ideological and stylistic similarities
> > between _Slovo_ and _Ossian_ can hardly be considered minor (Nabokov points
> > out some of the minor "co-incidences" in his translation of _Slovo_).  I
> > doubt that many people have read _The Poems of Ossian_, but it might be
> > worthwhile for anyone who is arguing about _Slovo o polku Igoreve_, whether
> > pro or con authenticity, to at least take a peek of the first volume,
> > "Fingal," and witness for themselves the same figurative language,
> > animistic world view, personification of nature ("and the trees bent down
> > in sorrow"), not to mention the concept of nation and of the exulted role
> > of the bard found in _Ossian_ and which was typical to the latter part of
> > the 18th C.  You will even find Yaroslavna's (Malvina's) lament in
> > _Ossian_!
> >
> > Katya Hirvasaho
> >
>


From keenan at fas.harvard.edu  Wed May  6 03:32:21 1998
From: keenan at fas.harvard.edu (Edward louis keenan)
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:32:21 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
In-Reply-To: <l03110700b175668bfb20@[128.135.18.95]>
Message-ID: <TUE.5.MAY.1998.233221.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Not Yale, but Harvard.

And there are now many more reasons -- inescapable reasons -- in both the
text and the documentary record for concluding that JD was the author.
Although I am unable to deal with all comments at the moment because I am
completing a rather long monograph on the subject, I shall post some
"theses" in a few days as a general armature for discussion.  You may wish,
as Celeste Holm says in "All About Eve," to "fasten your seatbelts."

The motivation question is indeed complex; I shall offer a complex but, I
think, plausible explanation.



At 08:11 PM 5/5/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>The text, regardless of its source, is universally considered a brilliant
>>work. If someone can identify an author of the late 18th century who was
>>capable of writing at this level, then I would accept the forgery theory.
>
>So far I don't think anyone has mentioned the theory (promoted by Edward
>Keenan of Yale in a memorable debate here at the U of C) that the author is
>the great Czech theologian and philologist Josef Dobrovsky.
>
>It's been a while, but as I understand it the argument relies on three
>basic points: (1) that Dobrovsky had the opportunity to see the manuscript
>of Zadonshchina before it was made public in the 1790's; (2) that JD,
>without question one of the great linguistic minds of his time, had the
>requisite philological knowledge to write the Igor Tale, or to provide
>linguistic advice to the manuscript's author; and (3) that no mention of
>the IT occurs _anywhere_ before around 1790.  I'm a bit unclear as to what
>Dobrovsky's motive for forging an Old Russian document would be; but the
>argument is intriguing.
>
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Jason Pontius
>Slavic Languages and Literatures
>University of Chicago
>japontiu at midway.uchicago.edu
>
>The Slavic Dungeon:  http://humanities.uchicago.edu/orgs/slavgrad
>
>


From roborr at aix1.uottawa.ca  Wed May  6 03:48:46 1998
From: roborr at aix1.uottawa.ca (Robert Orr)
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:48:46 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980505233221.006bb144@pop.fas.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.5.MAY.1998.234846.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

But was Dobrovsky as good a Turcologist as he was a Slavist?

Robert Orr


From kel1 at columbia.edu  Wed May  6 14:52:47 1998
From: kel1 at columbia.edu (Kevin Eric Laney)
Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 10:52:47 -0400
Subject: Women in Art exhibit at the Russian Consulate on May 14th (fwd)
Message-ID: <WED.6.MAY.1998.105247.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 18:34:06 -0400
From: Linda Lopez <lindalopez at compuserve.com>

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From PETRUSEWICZ at actr.org  Wed May  6 14:59:44 1998
From: PETRUSEWICZ at actr.org (MARY PETRUSEWICZ)
Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 10:59:44 -0400
Subject: Survey for Alumni of ACTR Russian Language Programs
Message-ID: <WED.6.MAY.1998.105944.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELANG Colleagues,

ACTR is interested in finding out about its
program alumni who are using Russian in
their careers today. We are surveying
current language-utilization patterns among
the twenty years of ACTR study abroad alumni
for their study in Russia.  The effort will
yield detailed information on the value and
the long term effects of study abroad in
Russia and of proficiency in Russian on the
careers of ACTR program alumni.  If you are
willing to complete a survey, please send
your current coordinates to:

Dr. Mary Petrusewicz
Russian and Eurasian Program Manager
ACTR/ACCELS
1776 Massachusetts Ave., NW Suite 700
Washington, DC 20036
ph: 202-833-7522
fax: 202-83307523
e-mail: petrusewicz at actr.org
http://www.actr.org

If you are in contact with other ACTR
alumni, please pass along this message.
Please note that your response would be
valuable even if you do not currently use
Russian in your work.

Many thanks, Mary


From keenan at fas.harvard.edu  Wed May  6 14:57:12 1998
From: keenan at fas.harvard.edu (keenan at fas.harvard.edu)
Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 10:57:12 -0400
Subject: Slovo.  FIRST ERRATUM
Message-ID: <WED.6.MAY.1998.105712.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Not CH, but Bette Davis.

>Not Yale, but Harvard.
>
>And there are now many more reasons -- inescapable reasons -- in both the
>text and the documentary record for concluding that JD was the author.
>Although I am unable to deal with all comments at the moment because I am
>completing a rather long monograph on the subject, I shall post some
>"theses" in a few days as a general armature for discussion.  You may wish,
>as Celeste Holm says in "All About Eve," to "fasten your seatbelts."
>
>The motivation question is indeed complex; I shall offer a complex but, I
>think, plausible explanation.
>
>
>
>At 08:11 PM 5/5/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>>The text, regardless of its source, is universally considered a brilliant
>>>work. If someone can identify an author of the late 18th century who was
>>>capable of writing at this level, then I would accept the forgery theory.
>>
>>So far I don't think anyone has mentioned the theory (promoted by Edward
>>Keenan of Yale in a memorable debate here at the U of C) that the author is
>>the great Czech theologian and philologist Josef Dobrovsky.
>>
>>It's been a while, but as I understand it the argument relies on three
>>basic points: (1) that Dobrovsky had the opportunity to see the manuscript
>>of Zadonshchina before it was made public in the 1790's; (2) that JD,
>>without question one of the great linguistic minds of his time, had the
>>requisite philological knowledge to write the Igor Tale, or to provide
>>linguistic advice to the manuscript's author; and (3) that no mention of
>>the IT occurs _anywhere_ before around 1790.  I'm a bit unclear as to what
>>Dobrovsky's motive for forging an Old Russian document would be; but the
>>argument is intriguing.
>>
>>
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>Jason Pontius
>>Slavic Languages and Literatures
>>University of Chicago
>>japontiu at midway.uchicago.edu
>>
>>The Slavic Dungeon:  http://humanities.uchicago.edu/orgs/slavgrad
>>
>>
>
>
Edward L. Keenan
Professor of History
Harvard University
Robinson Hall
Cambridge, MA 02138

(617) 495-2556   FAX: 496-3425


From u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de  Wed May  6 15:41:17 1998
From: u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de (Markus Osterrieder)
Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 17:41:17 +0200
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <WED.6.MAY.1998.174117.0200.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Most interesting to hear that! I am looking forward reading your theses,
Mr. Keenan!

In fact, Dobrovsky's involvement was mentioned already by W. Schamschula
in his recent paper (The Igor' tale from Its Czech to Its Gaelic
Connection. // American Contributions to the XIth Congress of Slavists.
Ann Arbor 1993,130-153), and by G. N. Moiseeva / M. M. Krbets: Iozef
Dobrovskij i Rossija. Leningrad 1990.

Markus Osterrieder, M.A.

Osteuropa-Institut
Historische Abteilung
Munich, Germany


On 06.05.1998 5:32 Uhr keenan at fas.harvard.edu wrote:
>And there are now many more reasons -- inescapable reasons -- in both the
>text and the documentary record for concluding that JD was the author.
>Although I am unable to deal with all comments at the moment because I am
>completing a rather long monograph on the subject, I shall post some
>"theses" in a few days as a general armature for discussion.  You may wish,
>as Celeste Holm says in "All About Eve," to "fasten your seatbelts."
>
>The motivation question is indeed complex; I shall offer a complex but, I
>think, plausible explanation.


From armstron at AC.GRIN.EDU  Wed May  6 16:40:13 1998
From: armstron at AC.GRIN.EDU (Todd Armstrong)
Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:40:13 -0500
Subject: Survey for Alumni of ACTR Russian Language Programs
Message-ID: <WED.6.MAY.1998.114013.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>Dear SEELANG Colleagues,
>
>ACTR is interested in finding out about its
>program alumni who are using Russian in
>their careers today. We are surveying
>current language-utilization patterns among
>the twenty years of ACTR study abroad alumni
>for their study in Russia.  The effort will
>yield detailed information on the value and
>the long term effects of study abroad in
>Russia and of proficiency in Russian on the
>careers of ACTR program alumni.  If you are
>willing to complete a survey, please send
>your current coordinates to:
>
>Dr. Mary Petrusewicz
>Russian and Eurasian Program Manager
>ACTR/ACCELS
>1776 Massachusetts Ave., NW Suite 700
>Washington, DC 20036
>ph: 202-833-7522
>fax: 202-83307523
>e-mail: petrusewicz at actr.org
>http://www.actr.org
>
>If you are in contact with other ACTR
>alumni, please pass along this message.
>Please note that your response would be
>valuable even if you do not currently use
>Russian in your work.
>
>Many thanks, Mary


Mary,

I studied with ACTR at the Pushkin INstitute in Fall 1983.  I am currently
an assistant professor of Russian at Grinnell College. I would be happy to
fill out a survey.

Todd Armstrong
Box L-7, Grinnell College
Grinnell, IA
50112
armstron at ac.grin.edu
515-269-3052


From KHIRVASA at carleton.edu  Wed May  6 19:34:38 1998
From: KHIRVASA at carleton.edu (Katya Hirvasaho)
Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 13:34:38 -0600
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <WED.6.MAY.1998.133438.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

To reply:

Individual instances of similarity between _Slovo_ and _Ossian_,, such as
"the trees bent down in sorrow," "they drank the blue wine," "the sank like
three pillars into the sea," are among those MINOR ones, pointed out by
Nabokov as well.  Some of the major ones, from the perspective of a
literaturoved, steeped in textual and cultural analysis would be:

1) a modern concept of a nation as an imaginary community bound together by
certain values and bearing symbols of such allegiance (such as the "Russian
land"--we, the sons of the Russian land are somehow different from sons of
some other lands);

2) the image and the role of the bard as carrying a special distinction as
the repository of the nation's past, who alone can point a way to the
future by showing how the glories of the past ages were achieved.  The role
of the bard has some other, not minor, consequences for a work of the late
18 C, namely

3) generic implications.  The quntessential Ossianic genre was the
historical elegy, which _The Poems of Ossian_ themselves were considered to
be, despite their being written in rhythmic prose (as is _Slovo_).  A
requisite component of an historical elegy was the reminiscence of the
(military) glories of a bygone age, which the bard recounts (as the singer
of the _Slovo_ does in recalling Igor's forefathers). A typical Ossianic
historical elegy would be Pushkin's first "Vospominanie v Tsarskom Sele,"
for anyone interested in checking out the genre.

4) Russian Ossianism wasn't a mere imitation of _The Poems of Ossian_; it
was part of the emerging concept of Russia as a "northern" nation, very
much along the lines of the German model of Ossianism.  The Russian states
had been founded by the Scandinavians, who are the enemies of the Celts in
_Ossian_ and who, consequently, were seen as part of the Ossianic world.
So, Scandinavian mythology came to provide the spiritual aspect of both
German and Russian Ossianism.  That meant that the mention of Scandinavian
(pagan) gods was also part of the recitation of the glories of the bygone
era; thus even Baratynskii, as late as 1820, in his historical elegy
"Finliandiia," calls the Finns "syny Odenovy," under the mistaken notion
that the Finns are part of the ancient Scandinavian world. These works of
Russian Ossianism are, of course, overtly imitating _Ossian_ and the
Scandinavian antiquities (such historical elegies formed a sub-genre,
"podrazhanie skandinavskomu"), whereas _Slovo_, purporting to be an
original from a post-Scandinavian era, could not mention Scandinavian pagan
gods, hence the Slavic ones.

MacPherson had no "original" Gaelic text.  No more than minor fragmentary
evidence was found among his papers of his actually having collected
folklore.  However, there were ballads about Ossian circulating in the
Highlands in his time.

Katya Hirvasaho


From Margo_Ballou at postoffice.brown.edu  Wed May  6 23:46:31 1998
From: Margo_Ballou at postoffice.brown.edu (Margo Ballou)
Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 19:46:31 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
In-Reply-To: <Pine.A41.3.95q.980505234258.45416A-100000@aix1.uottawa.ca>
Message-ID: <WED.6.MAY.1998.194631.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>But was Dobrovsky as good a Turcologist as he was a Slavist?
>
>Robert Orr

Keenan believes he was.  I don't recall the details, unfortunately.

Margo


From roborr at aix1.uottawa.ca  Thu May  7 03:21:15 1998
From: roborr at aix1.uottawa.ca (Robert Orr)
Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 23:21:15 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
In-Reply-To: <v01510101b1766b6a5337@[137.22.63.136]>
Message-ID: <WED.6.MAY.1998.232115.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

My question remains: there appears to be no linguistic evidence that the
Slovo is a fabrication/forgery, and until such evidence comes to light,
one might well question the value of a comparison between the
(geunine until proven otherwise) twelfth century Slovo and the (invented)
eighteenth century Ossian.

And seeing that we're dealing with comparisons, has anyone thought of
comparing the apparent controversy over the Slovo with the ongoing
suggestion that the plays normally attributed to Shakespeare were really
written by

1) The Earl of Oxford
2) Francis Bacon
3) Christopher Marlowe
4) Queen Elizabeth I,

etc., etc.

which is also great fun, but .....

Robert Orr

On Wed, 6 May 1998, Katya Hirvasaho wrote:

> To reply:
>
> Individual instances of similarity between _Slovo_ and _Ossian_,, such as
> "the trees bent down in sorrow," "they drank the blue wine," "the sank like
> three pillars into the sea," are among those MINOR ones, pointed out by
> Nabokov as well.  Some of the major ones, from the perspective of a
> literaturoved, steeped in textual and cultural analysis would be:
>
> 1) a modern concept of a nation as an imaginary community bound together by
> certain values and bearing symbols of such allegiance (such as the "Russian
> land"--we, the sons of the Russian land are somehow different from sons of
> some other lands);
>
> 2) the image and the role of the bard as carrying a special distinction as
> the repository of the nation's past, who alone can point a way to the
> future by showing how the glories of the past ages were achieved.  The role
> of the bard has some other, not minor, consequences for a work of the late
> 18 C, namely
>
> 3) generic implications.  The quntessential Ossianic genre was the
> historical elegy, which _The Poems of Ossian_ themselves were considered to
> be, despite their being written in rhythmic prose (as is _Slovo_).  A
> requisite component of an historical elegy was the reminiscence of the
> (military) glories of a bygone age, which the bard recounts (as the singer
> of the _Slovo_ does in recalling Igor's forefathers). A typical Ossianic
> historical elegy would be Pushkin's first "Vospominanie v Tsarskom Sele,"
> for anyone interested in checking out the genre.
>
> 4) Russian Ossianism wasn't a mere imitation of _The Poems of Ossian_; it
> was part of the emerging concept of Russia as a "northern" nation, very
> much along the lines of the German model of Ossianism.  The Russian states
> had been founded by the Scandinavians, who are the enemies of the Celts in
> _Ossian_ and who, consequently, were seen as part of the Ossianic world.
> So, Scandinavian mythology came to provide the spiritual aspect of both
> German and Russian Ossianism.  That meant that the mention of Scandinavian
> (pagan) gods was also part of the recitation of the glories of the bygone
> era; thus even Baratynskii, as late as 1820, in his historical elegy
> "Finliandiia," calls the Finns "syny Odenovy," under the mistaken notion
> that the Finns are part of the ancient Scandinavian world. These works of
> Russian Ossianism are, of course, overtly imitating _Ossian_ and the
> Scandinavian antiquities (such historical elegies formed a sub-genre,
> "podrazhanie skandinavskomu"), whereas _Slovo_, purporting to be an
> original from a post-Scandinavian era, could not mention Scandinavian pagan
> gods, hence the Slavic ones.
>
> MacPherson had no "original" Gaelic text.  No more than minor fragmentary
> evidence was found among his papers of his actually having collected
> folklore.  However, there were ballads about Ossian circulating in the
> Highlands in his time.
>
> Katya Hirvasaho
>


From schmidu at ubaclu.unibas.ch  Thu May  7 10:19:24 1998
From: schmidu at ubaclu.unibas.ch (Ulrich Schmid)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 12:19:24 +0200
Subject: Gosudarstvennyj Evreijskij Teatr (GosET)
Message-ID: <THU.7.MAY.1998.121924.0200.>

Dear colleagues,

Can anybody provide some information about my diploma topic
"Gosudarstvennyj Evrejskij teatr" and the "Teatr Habimah", both in
Moscow (1917-1948). I would also be grateful for any general
information about Jewish Theatres during the Stalin period.

Lina Reznik


From Yurij.Lotoshko at tversu.ru  Thu May  7 12:36:43 1998
From: Yurij.Lotoshko at tversu.ru (Yurij.Lotoshko)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 16:36:43 +0400
Subject: utomlennoe solntse...
Message-ID: <THU.7.MAY.1998.163643.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

----------
> Nr: Judith E. Kalb <JKALB at WELLESLEY.EDU>
> Jnls: SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
> Rel`: utomlennoe solntse...
> D`r`: 4 l`  1998 c. 23:18
>
> Does anyone happen to know where one could get the words to that famous
> song--and author and composer if possible? Any thoughts would be much
> appreciated!
> Thank you,
> Judith Kalb

It's may be translation from polish langv.

>
> Dr. Judith E. Kalb
> Department of Russian
> Wellesley College
> Wellesley, MA 02181
> jkalb at wellesley.edu


From feszczak at sas.upenn.edu  Thu May  7 13:40:07 1998
From: feszczak at sas.upenn.edu (Zenon M. Feszczak)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 09:40:07 -0400
Subject: Fwd: A Book of the Century
Message-ID: <THU.7.MAY.1998.094007.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

London Telegraph
24 January 1998

Book of the Century

              Brian Aldiss makes his choice

              ALEKSANDR Solzhenitsyn says that he is speaking for
              "mute Russia". The phrase crops up in his great work,
              The Gulag Archipelago, published in Britain in three
              volumes between 1974 and 1978. Yet this "history and
              geography" of the Soviet Union's prison and forced
              labour camp system is addressed to a wider audience than
              mute Russia; it strikes at the heart and intellect of
              everyone.

              The opening of the book detains us like one of the great
              Russian novels:

              How do people get to this clandestine Archipelago? Hour
              by hour planes fly there, ships steer their course
              there, and trains thunder off to it - but all with nary
              a mark on them to tell of their destination.

              So we travel under the wing of Solzhenitsyn's metaphor
              to encompass that chain of camps scattered across the
              wildernesses of the Soviet Union, and meet the
              inhabitants.

              The author himself was a zek (prisoner) in the Kolyma
              camp, "the pole of ferocity". He brought away the
              material for his work, as he says, "on the skin of my
              back, and with my eyes and ears". Every word was forged
              by labour, exile, starvation.

              One of the most vivid and scathing chapters, "What the
              Archipelago Stands On", comes in the middle of the
              second volume. Here, in the forced labour camps, the
              principle of tukhta is introduced. The timber-fellers
              are set impossibly high production targets. So the boss
              credits his teams with fictitious cubic yards of wood
              cut, thus increasing the zeks' bread allowance. The
              log-rafters, who launch the timber down river, do not
              denounce this mistake. It helps their production figures
              to pass on the fictitious amount. The lumber yards
              downstream do the same, adding a little to the figure.

              Eventually, the Ministry of the Timber Industry makes
              serious use of these fictitiously inflated figures in
              their reports. Thus the entire GNP of the Soviet Empire
              becomes founded on a fiction. "They simply could not
              stand up against people's pressure to live."

              Gulag, though, is not merely an account of the lies and
              injustice on which the Soviet system was founded; it
              addresses the human condition. Solzhenitsyn is a
              moralist writing with savage irony. How do you survive
              uncorrupted in this world? Those who are free, living in
              cities, are also at risk.

              Gulag is a long and vivid meditation on the good and
              evil in men's hearts. We who live out our lives in
              better circumstances must still confront its relevance.
              There is no book like it in the world.


From dburrous at jeffco.k12.co.us  Thu May  7 14:01:46 1998
From: dburrous at jeffco.k12.co.us (David Burrous)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 08:01:46 -0600
Subject: Survey for Alumni of ACTR Russian Language Programs
Message-ID: <THU.7.MAY.1998.080146.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Sure:
I'd be happy to take part.

db

MARY PETRUSEWICZ wrote:

> Dear SEELANG Colleagues,
>
> ACTR is interested in finding out about its
> program alumni who are using Russian in
> their careers today. We are surveying
> current language-utilization patterns among
> the twenty years of ACTR study abroad alumni
> for their study in Russia.  The effort will
> yield detailed information on the value and
> the long term effects of study abroad in
> Russia and of proficiency in Russian on the
> careers of ACTR program alumni.  If you are
> willing to complete a survey, please send
> your current coordinates to:
>
> Dr. Mary Petrusewicz
> Russian and Eurasian Program Manager
> ACTR/ACCELS
> 1776 Massachusetts Ave., NW Suite 700
> Washington, DC 20036
> ph: 202-833-7522
> fax: 202-83307523
> e-mail: petrusewicz at actr.org
> http://www.actr.org
>
> If you are in contact with other ACTR
> alumni, please pass along this message.
> Please note that your response would be
> valuable even if you do not currently use
> Russian in your work.
>
> Many thanks, Mary


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From dburrous at jeffco.k12.co.us  Thu May  7 14:13:02 1998
From: dburrous at jeffco.k12.co.us (David Burrous)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 08:13:02 -0600
Subject: Survey for Alumni of ACTR Russian Language Programs
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David Burrous wrote:

> I aplogize for posting ACTR's reply to the list.  I hit the wrong button.
> Sorry.

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From djbpitt+ at pitt.edu  Thu May  7 16:00:15 1998
From: djbpitt+ at pitt.edu (David J Birnbaum)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 12:00:15 -0400
Subject: advice on saving a high-school Russian program
Message-ID: <THU.7.MAY.1998.120015.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELANGers,

One of our local high schools (which counts among its population a
non-trivial number of heritage speakers of Russian) currently offers
Russian for one forty-five minute period per day five days a week. This
single class combines five levels of Russian: first-, second-, and
third-year Anglophones, illiterate native speakers, and literate native
speakers (the last two groups are not always clearly differentiated, since
some heritage students have limited literacy). The combined enrolment is
approximately fifteen. Except for this Russian course, the instructor is a
full-time teacher of Spanish.

The school is now considering closing this program entirely because they
feel that it is not cost effective. Representatives of our university's
Slavic department and our Title VI center have been invited to meet with
the principal and the district-level coordinator of foreign language
studies next week, and they are interested in concrete proposals from us
for increasing their Russian enrolment and thus retaining the program.
Needless to say, we would like to see this program, which is one of a very
small number in our district that offers Russian, survive; we think it is
of considerable value to both heritage and non-heritage learners.

I have no experience with high-school-level Russian language programs
(other than from having been a student in one over twenty-five years ago),
and I would be grateful for any concrete suggestions any of you might have
for how my university might encourage the continuation of this high-school
program.

Thanks,

David
________________________________________________________________________

Professor David J. Birnbaum     email: djbpitt+ at pitt.edu
Department of Slavic Languages  url:   http://clover.slavic.pitt.edu/~djb/
1417 Cathedral of Learning      voice: 1-412-624-5712
University of Pittsburgh        fax:   1-412-624-9714
Pittsburgh, PA 15260 USA


From ggerhart at wolfenet.com  Thu May  7 17:09:18 1998
From: ggerhart at wolfenet.com (Genevra Gerhart)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 10:09:18 -0700
Subject: advice on saving a high-school Russian program
Message-ID: <THU.7.MAY.1998.100918.0700.>

David has graphically described "the problem with Russian" at most high
schools.
I can say that what is _not_ needed is an academic telling the teacher
that the kids spend all that time and learn nothing.
Some sort of mutual understanding must occur. But then they might have
to talk to one another.  One can imagine a large and satisfying Russian
course that might include the alphabet, greetings and a lot of
(specified) culture. For example. gg
--
Genevra Gerhart
http://www.wolfenet.com/~ggerhart/

2134 E. Interlaken  Bl.                 Tel. 206/329-0053
Seattle, WA  98112                      ggerhart at wolfenet.com


From jflevin at ucrac1.ucr.edu  Thu May  7 17:56:33 1998
From: jflevin at ucrac1.ucr.edu (Jules Levin)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 13:56:33 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
In-Reply-To: <Pine.A41.3.95q.980506231231.101976B-100000@aix1.uottawa.ca >
Message-ID: <THU.7.MAY.1998.135633.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

At 11:21 PM 5/6/98 -0400, Robert Orr wrote:
>>And seeing that we're dealing with comparisons, has anyone thought of
>comparing the apparent controversy over the Slovo with the ongoing
>suggestion that the plays normally attributed to Shakespeare were really
>written by ...[snip]


And, it turns out that the Illiad etc., was not written by Homer, but by
*another* blind Greek poet..........................who ALSO happened to be
named Homer!

Jules Levin


From nyuka at Claritech.com  Thu May  7 18:16:52 1998
From: nyuka at Claritech.com (Kamneva, Natalia)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 14:16:52 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <THU.7.MAY.1998.141652.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

And " Tihii Don" was not written by Sholohov, but Stalin ...
Any new hypothesis should be proven.

Natalia Kamneva

        -----Original Message-----
        From:   Jules Levin [SMTP:jflevin at ucrac1.ucr.edu]
        Sent:   Thursday, May 07, 1998 1:57 PM
        To:     SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
        Subject:        Re: Slovo o polku Igoreve

        At 11:21 PM 5/6/98 -0400, Robert Orr wrote:
        >>And seeing that we're dealing with comparisons, has anyone
thought of
        >comparing the apparent controversy over the Slovo with the
ongoing
        >suggestion that the plays normally attributed to Shakespeare
were really
        >written by ...[snip]


        And, it turns out that the Illiad etc., was not written by
Homer, but by
        *another* blind Greek poet..........................who ALSO
happened to be
        named Homer!

        Jules Levin


From P-S.Fischer at worldnet.att.net  Thu May  7 18:54:37 1998
From: P-S.Fischer at worldnet.att.net (Peter&Susan Fischer)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 14:54:37 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <THU.7.MAY.1998.145437.0400.>

Friends, Colleagues, Zemljaki-Seelangovtsy:

Until now I have remained steadfastly on the sidelines when the
occasional brouhaha erupted in our global SEELANGS village.  But as the
current disputation about the authenticity of the Igor Tale has
generated more and more commentary, the temptation to leap into the fray
became too strong to resist.  Still, I held back for a while expecting
my old friends and classmates in Roman Jakobson's Igor Tale seminar of
1960/61, Bob Rothstein and Earl Sampson, to wade in ahead of me because
a few months ago they had both reminisced here about that unforgettably
idiosyncratic seminar, surely one of Jakobson's last and greatest
classroom performances at Harvard.  True to the manner of Bojan 'on
rastekalsja mysliju po drevu...'

Itak, all that talk about whether the Igor Tale isn't, after all, an
18th century forgery is clear indication that our profession, too, has
its share of conspiracy buffs.  If English literature can have the
occasional Elizabethan scholar determined to prove to the world that
Shakespeare's plays were written by somebody else, or, if the
assassination of Jack Kennedy could spawn a regular industry producing
all sorts of conspiracy yarns, why then shouldn't we have our own set of
sleuths digging around the nooks and crannies of the Igor Tale.  Since
it evidently lacks a truly medieval mindset, we must suspect that it's a
fake cooked up by Count Musin-Pushkin and his learned cronies in some
masonic cabal.  Or how about those Ossianic echoes, even Plach'
Jaroslavny has a suspicious look and sound...  Might there not be some
MacPhersonov in the woodwork somewhere?

While I don't mean to make light of literary detective work, I wanted to
remind interested colleagues of the one hard, scientific fact that
remains, when all the shouting is over, the most compelling argument for
the authenticity of the Igor Tale.  Recall that Ol' Igor and his
druzhina don't just ride off into the sunset.  They ride smack into an
ecclipse of the sun which is not your everyday celestial event.  I
haven't checked my notes and can't cite references, but astronomers'
calculations confirm that in the year of Igor's campaign an ecclipse of
the sun did occur and could be seen from the area where Prince Igor went
to do battle with the Polovtsians.  I think it's fair to postulate that
no 18th century literary forger, be he a latter-day Bojan, Nestor, and
Copernicus all rolled into one, could have gotten the dating of that
ecclipse right.  The conspiracy buffs will probably object that the
presumed forger could have worked from a reference to the ecclipse in
the Chronicle, itd, itp.  Anyway...

Apart from fond memories of Roman Jakobson and the conviction that the
Igor Tale couldn't be anything but the genuine article, that long-ago
seminar provided me with the most vivid and memorable dream of my life.
It started with an exhilerating sensation of flight.  Sitting astride a
huge bird I was soaring high in the sky, peering down at Igor and his
horsemen as they rode across the boundless steppe.  The one thing not
clear to me was wether I was flying 'sizym orlom pod oblaky' or riding a
'chernyj voron' who anticipated feasting on the warriors below in due
time.  But suddenly, in midflight, my mount turned into a skeleton, the
bones giving way and sending me into terrifying freefall toward the
ground.  And then I woke up, heart pounding, much surprised and relieved
to be still alive.  That dream should probably have made me realize that
the Igor Tale was built on thin air.

Peter A. Fischer
Adjunct Professor
Georgetown University


From u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de  Thu May  7 19:46:20 1998
From: u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de (Markus Osterrieder)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 21:46:20 +0200
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <THU.7.MAY.1998.214620.0200.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear colleagues,

The eclipse occured on the 1st of May, 1185, at 18:47 Universal Time. It
was seen all over Central and Southern Russia. This event is duely
mentioned in the PVL under the year 6694. Just after this entry, the PVL
says that Igor' rode against the Polovcy. So, any poet could have made
use of this occurence.

Markus Osterrieder



On 07.05.1998 20:54 Uhr P-S.Fischer at worldnet.att.net wrote:

>While I don't mean to make light of literary detective work, I wanted to
>remind interested colleagues of the one hard, scientific fact that
>remains, when all the shouting is over, the most compelling argument for
>the authenticity of the Igor Tale.  Recall that Ol' Igor and his
>druzhina don't just ride off into the sunset.  They ride smack into an
>ecclipse of the sun which is not your everyday celestial event.  I
>haven't checked my notes and can't cite references, but astronomers'
>calculations confirm that in the year of Igor's campaign an ecclipse of
>the sun did occur and could be seen from the area where Prince Igor went
>to do battle with the Polovtsians.  I think it's fair to postulate that
>no 18th century literary forger, be he a latter-day Bojan, Nestor, and
>Copernicus all rolled into one, could have gotten the dating of that
>ecclipse right.  The conspiracy buffs will probably object that the
>presumed forger could have worked from a reference to the ecclipse in
>the Chronicle, itd, itp.  Anyway...


************************************

Markus Osterrieder, M.A.

Osteuropa-Institut
Historische Abteilung
Munich, Germany

eMail: u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de


From richmond at tiger.cc.oxy.edu  Thu May  7 19:49:04 1998
From: richmond at tiger.cc.oxy.edu (Prof. Walter Comins-Richmond)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 15:49:04 EDT
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
In-Reply-To: <Pine.A41.3.95q.980505234258.45416A-100000@aix1.uottawa.ca>
Message-ID: <THU.7.MAY.1998.154904.EDT.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

And was Dobrovsky a great literary figure? I admit I know nothing of him,
but it takes more than knowledge to create a work of literature. This has
always been my rather unscientific rebuttal of the forgery theory: such a
talented writer would have produced other works that would have come to
light.

**********************************
Walter Comins-Richmond
Assistant Professor
Department of Languages and Literatures
Occidental College
Los Angeles, CA 90041

On Tue, 5 May 1998, Robert Orr wrote:

> But was Dobrovsky as good a Turcologist as he was a Slavist?
>
> Robert Orr
>


From keenan at fas.harvard.edu  Thu May  7 19:55:15 1998
From: keenan at fas.harvard.edu (keenan at fas.harvard.edu)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 15:55:15 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <THU.7.MAY.1998.155515.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Colleagues,

I append, as promised, some "theses" that form the basis of my forthcoming
book, in the hope
that they might stimulate and at the same time shape our discussion.  I am
well aware that in the
end only the detailed evidence and argument that I hope to provide in the
book can resolve
these tangled matters, but it seems useful for the moment to have at least a
full and careful
summary of my current views available to others.  And it seems quite
inappropriate for me to
"lurk" while others are discussing these matters on line.

At the same time, as you can imagine, I doubt that I shall be able to
respond to each and every
posting on every aspect of the matter.  To do so, I judge from the traffic
of the past few days,
would be a full-time proposition, and I desperately want to get this fat
manuscript off my desk.

So here a few propositions for you, some of which will be of more interest
than others, depending
on one's own special field.  Please note the care with which I use modifiers
like "probably,"
"possibly," "plausibly," and the like.  There are still many minor aspects
of the story that are not
clear to me.  Conversely, when I say "all," or "none," I am being equally
careful and mean to
indicate that further doubt is unwarranted.

(Apologies for the absence of French and Czech diacritics.)
....................

TO LAY THE GHOST OF THE "LAY OF THE HOST OF IGOR"

I.      One cannot plausibly reconstruct, on the basis of documentary sources,
either the details
of the "discovery" of the putative original manuscript of the Igor Tale
["IT"] or its paleographical
characteristics.  All statements by "eye-witnesses" concerning these matters
are mutually
contradictory or demonstrably false.  There is no missing "Iaroslav
Chronograph," and no
documented proof of the existence of any portion of the IT before 1792 or 1793.

II.     By contrast, one can indeed demonstrate, on the basis of the authentic
correspondence
of the principals, that no "original" manuscript was lost in 1812 -- or,
more precisely, that no one
spoke explicitly of that loss, even when pressed on the matter by an
enthusiastic fellow believer,
when discussing the burning of Musin-Pushkin's house, or when republishing
the IT in 1819.  It is
indeed possible with some confidence to trace the development of the
"destruction legend,"
which did not acquire any general currency even among enthusiasts until some
time after Musin-
Pushkin's death in 1817.

III.    Speculations about the mythical "Musin-Pushkin manuscript" proving
baseless,
historians are left with more conventional documentation -- and with the
text itself, the only
unimpeachable source, apparently, of what we know and can learn about its
origins and
authorship.  After nearly two centuries of efforts to explain its numerous
orthographic, lexical,
morphological, stylistic and thematic "puzzles," an unacceptable -- even
growing -- number
remains without answers.

IV.     A new attempt to resolve them requires a clear-eyed reappraisal of the
"scholarly
tradition," many components of which are quite deplorable.  I have in mind
not only the pillorying
of Andre Mazon and Aleksandr Zimin; the very tools of philology have been
bent to the shape of
an imagined original text.  Dictionaries and other reference works are
corrupted by "ghost" words
and speculation deriving from dogmatic belief in the authenticity of the
tale; a vast array of
secondary non-scholarly behaviors has influenced neighboring disciplines and
crossed national
boundaries.

V.      Consequently, one must re-open the inquiry and re-interrogate all
available witnesses.
These fall naturally into three distinct categories: 1) the "eye-witnesses"
(Musin-Pushkin,
Malinovskii, Selivanovskii) whose testimony is solicited after 1812 by the
unreliable, mad
Kalaidovich; 2) documented "sightings" of the/a text of the IT -- NB not
"Musin-Pushkin's
manuscript" -- before 1800 (Ivan P. Elagin [1792-3], Kheraskov [1796],
Karamzin [1797]); 3) the
witness of the texts themselves, that is, the Editio Princeps, the so-called
"Catherinian copy," the
"Malinovskii papers," and a few other pre-1800 traces.  Although it is
readily apparent that the
"eye-witnesses" impeach themselves and one another, and that the
"sightings," while irrefutable,
are limited in their import, both are helpful in reconstructing the milieu
in which the IT took final
form.  These texts, properly construed,  are themselves eloquent and
unimpeachable witnesses
to the process of creation of the text, which took its near-final form in
mid-1798.

VI.     The close study of the "Malinovskii papers" reveals clues as to how the
text was put
together, and permits us to talk of first and second "states," before and
after the integration of the
"fragments" found in Malinovskii's archive.  These fragments contain, as
clearly delineated and
integral units, the well-known passages from the "Apostol" of 1307 and the
late version of the
"Molenie Daniila Zatochnika," as well as compact borrowings from specific,
identifiable copies of
the Zadonshchina (especially ms. Sin. 790) and the "Skazanie o Mamaevom
poboishche"
(Timkovskii's copy).  Elagin clearly copied the incipit from a version of
the "first state;"
Kheraskov and Karamzin probably saw or were told of the same version.  A new
chronology of
the history of the text, 1792/3-1800, can be constructed with some confidence.

VII.    The consideration of textual (lexical, morphological) features leads to
the conclusion that
the two "states" were probably the work of a single author.  The scrutiny of
"original" passages
(i.e., those not clearly related to the texts mentioned just above) permits
the delineation of an
authorial persona, characterized by an extraordinary familiarity with
Slavonic languages and
narrative texts, especially Biblical and historical; by a deep interest in
Slavic valor and unity; by a
fascination with sound and light effects -- especially bird and animal
sounds; by a deist
equanimity with regard to paganism, Christianity, and a personified nature;
and, paradoxically,
by a deficient familiarity with certain specifically East Slavic linguistic
and historical realities.
This author is also familiar with the Hebrew Old Testament and Targum, with
Classical and
Biblical Greek and Latin, and with the Italian Renaissance.

VIII.   Josef Dobrovsky (1753-1829) was probably the only person of his
generation who could
properly understand the IT, and he is in all likelihood its creator.  His
early biography and training
in Biblical and Slavic studies suit him uniquely for that role.  His work in
the manuscript
collections of Saint Petersburg and Moscow in 1792-93 (including
Musin-Pushkin's) provided him
access to precisely those manuscript copies of all known possible sources
that have the most
telling similarities to the text.  (His surviving notes record his use of
such crucial items as the
1307 Apostol, ms. Sin 790, and the Hypatian copy of the Primary Chronicle.)
He arrived in
Russia at the peak of interest in Ossian and fascination with Tmutorokan'.
His Slavofil (his word)
views, his later reactions to the publication of the IT, and his response to
the forgeries of
"medieval Czech" poems by his students Hanka and Linde are all congruent
with this conclusion.

IX.     Reexamination of the text reveals that a large number -- almost all --
of its well-known
"obscurities" (hapax legomena, garbled passages, out-of-place "polonisms"
and "classicisms,"
pagan/Christian contradictions, geographical and genealogical absurdities,
etc.) can be resolved
in light of the hypothesis of Dobrovsky's authorship.  In particular, the
often-discussed "Turkic"
lexemes are in their majority (leaving aside proper names) Slavic, Hebrew,
or Italian in origin.

X.      Tentative conclusions:
        1.      The original text of the IT was composed in several stages or fragments,
starting
in 1792 or 1793, by Dobrovsky, as an "imitation" of the Zadonshchina, which
he had just read, or
as Ossianic "variations" on its themes.  It is probable that Dobrovsky did
not set out to perpetrate
a hoax, and did not intend that these "fragments" be published (see 7,
below).  He showed the
"first state" to Elagin, and subsequently, after returning to Prague, sent
him (or perhaps
Malinovskii) additional "fragments."
        2.      Elagin's papers having passed after his death to Musin-Pushkin,
Kheraskov and
Karamzin somehow learned of the existence of the text(s).  They both alluded
to "fragments,"
unmistakably some portion of the IT text, in print.
        3.      After Karamzin's explicit public announcement of the discovery in 1797,
Musin-
Pushkin appears to have instructed Malinovskii to prepare an edition.
        4.      Malinovskii was primarily (almost solely?) responsible for the
preparation of the
final text, which occupied him from mid-1798 until the appearance of the
first edition in 1800.
        5.      Dobrovsky was unaware of this activity, and was taken by surprise by the
appearance of the text Editio Princeps in 1800.  But he chose not to
challenge the text's
authenticity (as he would later, for a time, not expose his students'
fraud), and subsequently
always treated the subject very circumspectly.
        6.      It is quite possible that neither Musin-Pushkin nor Malinovskii knew the
real
origin of their text, but both certainly knew that they had never seen an
"ancient manuscript."
(Malinovskii may well have known more than he told Musin-Pushkin about
theorigin of the text.)
Hence their obfuscation in dealing with Kalaidovich, and Malinovskii's
ill-fated commission in
1815 to Bardin to fabricate an "ancient" copy.
        7.      The question of motivation is exceedingly complex, not only because we must
set aside the prejudices of our age about authenticity and our sense of the
grandeur of the IT, but
because Dobrovský was without doubt gravely afflicted with manic-depressive
illness, and we
cannot know his mental state when he began and continued to work on his
"fragments."  But the
views reflected in his voluminous writings and correspondence -- some sane,
some clearly
delirious -- comport well with the "message" of the IT, to the extent that
the latter can be
established.


I've tried in these brief paragraphs to provide a sense of how I now see the
text and its history.
There remain, for me, many unanswered questions and, I do not doubt, many
unanswerable
ones.  As we approach a general discussion, let me make three appeals to all:

Please remember that most questions anyone might pose -- about textual
relations, about lost
manuscripts, about motivations and behaviors -- will arise from the
seemingly intolerable
contrast between common probabilities, on the one hand, and what might
appear to be highly
improbable conclusions (e.g., that a famous Bohemian Gelehrter might,
without wishing it, have
bamboozled the Russian learned public.)  But the most improbable belief in
this whole field of
culture history is the belief that such a text could have appeared in East
Slavic territory in the
late twelfth century, whereas the appearance of one more Ossianic text
anywhere in Europe or
America in 1793 is so probable as to be quite unremarkable, were it not for
the length of its
successful run.

Remember, too, that I say nothing about the poetical or other literary
merits of the text, though I
have spent far too much of my life considering them.  It doesn't really
matter to my argument
whether this is a work of great artistry, a learned bagatelle, or a
delirious pastiche.  I do,
however, think that here we can agree with Dmitrii Likhachev, who made a
thoughtful point in his
remarks prepared for the public humiliation of Aleksandr Zimin in 1962, a
copy of which he
helpfully sent to Roman Jakobson at the time: since generations of Russian
geniuses -- poets,
sculptors, graphic artists and musicians -- have been inspired by the IT to
create great works of
art, the IT itself must have been written in the twelfth century, where it
towers over the literary
landscape as a work of genius; had it been written in the eighteenth, it
would have been a "mere
trifle" (_bezdelushka_).

Remember, finally, that Zimin was right when he wrote to Likhachev that "the
Igor Tale is, after
all, not an article of faith, but a subject of scholarship."  And Likhachev
was profoundly wrong
when he wrote to a member of the Central Committee of the Communist Party,
"the question of
[the authenticity of] the Igor Tale is one of significance to our nation."
Russian culture and
national self-esteem can easily survive -- and in my view will benefit from
-- the removal of this
alien organism, which has become a malignant impediment to self-examination
and historical
understanding.

Edward L. Keenan
Professor of History
Harvard University
Robinson Hall
Cambridge, MA 02138

(617) 495-2556   FAX: 496-3425


From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Thu May  7 20:25:12 1998
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 16:25:12 -0400
Subject: Web Internship with Virtual Foundation (fwd)
Message-ID: <THU.7.MAY.1998.162512.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

This looks interesting for any undergrad techies out there who want
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there).  And it's a paid internship!

Devin / Divan

Devin P Browne
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu

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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 16:35:28 -0400
Subject: Job: Academic ESL teachers, Tashkent (fwd)
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This will be posted to the AATSEEL Job Index as soon as I get a few
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along....

Devin / Divan

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From nyuka at Claritech.com  Thu May  7 20:37:04 1998
From: nyuka at Claritech.com (Kamneva, Natalia)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 16:37:04 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <THU.7.MAY.1998.163704.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

It is a very interesting discussion! I heard about it when I was young (
in 1962 ), and
I didn't know that it is still a subject for a discussion. I would like
to know your opinion
and , especially, Shurik's ( Lesha's ??? ) point on it.

        -----Original Message-----
        From:   keenan at fas.harvard.edu [SMTP:keenan at fas.harvard.edu]
        Sent:   Thursday, May 07, 1998 3:55 PM
        To:     SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
        Subject:        Slovo o polku Igoreve

        Dear Colleagues,

        I append, as promised, some "theses" that form the basis of my
forthcoming
        book, in the hope
        that they might stimulate and at the same time shape our
discussion.  I am
        well aware that in the
        end only the detailed evidence and argument that I hope to
provide in the
        book can resolve
        these tangled matters, but it seems useful for the moment to
have at least a
        full and careful
        summary of my current views available to others.  And it seems
quite
        inappropriate for me to
        "lurk" while others are discussing these matters on line.

        At the same time, as you can imagine, I doubt that I shall be
able to
        respond to each and every
        posting on every aspect of the matter.  To do so, I judge from
the traffic
        of the past few days,
        would be a full-time proposition, and I desperately want to get
this fat
        manuscript off my desk.

        So here a few propositions for you, some of which will be of
more interest
        than others, depending
        on one's own special field.  Please note the care with which I
use modifiers
        like "probably,"
        "possibly," "plausibly," and the like.  There are still many
minor aspects
        of the story that are not
        clear to me.  Conversely, when I say "all," or "none," I am
being equally
        careful and mean to
        indicate that further doubt is unwarranted.

        (Apologies for the absence of French and Czech diacritics.)
        ....................

        TO LAY THE GHOST OF THE "LAY OF THE HOST OF IGOR"

        I.      One cannot plausibly reconstruct, on the basis of
documentary sources,
        either the details
        of the "discovery" of the putative original manuscript of the
Igor Tale
        ["IT"] or its paleographical
        characteristics.  All statements by "eye-witnesses" concerning
these matters
        are mutually
        contradictory or demonstrably false.  There is no missing
"Iaroslav
        Chronograph," and no
        documented proof of the existence of any portion of the IT
before 1792 or 1793.

        II.     By contrast, one can indeed demonstrate, on the basis of
the authentic
        correspondence
        of the principals, that no "original" manuscript was lost in
1812 -- or,
        more precisely, that no one
        spoke explicitly of that loss, even when pressed on the matter
by an
        enthusiastic fellow believer,
        when discussing the burning of Musin-Pushkin's house, or when
republishing
        the IT in 1819.  It is
        indeed possible with some confidence to trace the development of
the
        "destruction legend,"
        which did not acquire any general currency even among
enthusiasts until some
        time after Musin-
        Pushkin's death in 1817.

        III.    Speculations about the mythical "Musin-Pushkin
manuscript" proving
        baseless,
        historians are left with more conventional documentation -- and
with the
        text itself, the only
        unimpeachable source, apparently, of what we know and can learn
about its
        origins and
        authorship.  After nearly two centuries of efforts to explain
its numerous
        orthographic, lexical,
        morphological, stylistic and thematic "puzzles," an unacceptable
-- even
        growing -- number
        remains without answers.

        IV.     A new attempt to resolve them requires a clear-eyed
reappraisal of the
        "scholarly
        tradition," many components of which are quite deplorable.  I
have in mind
        not only the pillorying
        of Andre Mazon and Aleksandr Zimin; the very tools of philology
have been
        bent to the shape of
        an imagined original text.  Dictionaries and other reference
works are
        corrupted by "ghost" words
        and speculation deriving from dogmatic belief in the
authenticity of the
        tale; a vast array of
        secondary non-scholarly behaviors has influenced neighboring
disciplines and
        crossed national
        boundaries.

        V.      Consequently, one must re-open the inquiry and
re-interrogate all
        available witnesses.
        These fall naturally into three distinct categories: 1) the
"eye-witnesses"
        (Musin-Pushkin,
        Malinovskii, Selivanovskii) whose testimony is solicited after
1812 by the
        unreliable, mad
        Kalaidovich; 2) documented "sightings" of the/a text of the IT
-- NB not
        "Musin-Pushkin's
        manuscript" -- before 1800 (Ivan P. Elagin [1792-3], Kheraskov
[1796],
        Karamzin [1797]); 3) the
        witness of the texts themselves, that is, the Editio Princeps,
the so-called
        "Catherinian copy," the
        "Malinovskii papers," and a few other pre-1800 traces.  Although
it is
        readily apparent that the
        "eye-witnesses" impeach themselves and one another, and that the
        "sightings," while irrefutable,
        are limited in their import, both are helpful in reconstructing
the milieu
        in which the IT took final
        form.  These texts, properly construed,  are themselves eloquent
and
        unimpeachable witnesses
        to the process of creation of the text, which took its
near-final form in
        mid-1798.

        VI.     The close study of the "Malinovskii papers" reveals
clues as to how the
        text was put
        together, and permits us to talk of first and second "states,"
before and
        after the integration of the
        "fragments" found in Malinovskii's archive.  These fragments
contain, as
        clearly delineated and
        integral units, the well-known passages from the "Apostol" of
1307 and the
        late version of the
        "Molenie Daniila Zatochnika," as well as compact borrowings from
specific,
        identifiable copies of
        the Zadonshchina (especially ms. Sin. 790) and the "Skazanie o
Mamaevom
        poboishche"
        (Timkovskii's copy).  Elagin clearly copied the incipit from a
version of
        the "first state;"
        Kheraskov and Karamzin probably saw or were told of the same
version.  A new
        chronology of
        the history of the text, 1792/3-1800, can be constructed with
some confidence.

        VII.    The consideration of textual (lexical, morphological)
features leads to
        the conclusion that
        the two "states" were probably the work of a single author.  The
scrutiny of
        "original" passages
        (i.e., those not clearly related to the texts mentioned just
above) permits
        the delineation of an
        authorial persona, characterized by an extraordinary familiarity
with
        Slavonic languages and
        narrative texts, especially Biblical and historical; by a deep
interest in
        Slavic valor and unity; by a
        fascination with sound and light effects -- especially bird and
animal
        sounds; by a deist
        equanimity with regard to paganism, Christianity, and a
personified nature;
        and, paradoxically,
        by a deficient familiarity with certain specifically East Slavic
linguistic
        and historical realities.
        This author is also familiar with the Hebrew Old Testament and
Targum, with
        Classical and
        Biblical Greek and Latin, and with the Italian Renaissance.

        VIII.   Josef Dobrovsky (1753-1829) was probably the only person
of his
        generation who could
        properly understand the IT, and he is in all likelihood its
creator.  His
        early biography and training
        in Biblical and Slavic studies suit him uniquely for that role.
His work in
        the manuscript
        collections of Saint Petersburg and Moscow in 1792-93 (including
        Musin-Pushkin's) provided him
        access to precisely those manuscript copies of all known
possible sources
        that have the most
        telling similarities to the text.  (His surviving notes record
his use of
        such crucial items as the
        1307 Apostol, ms. Sin 790, and the Hypatian copy of the Primary
Chronicle.)
        He arrived in
        Russia at the peak of interest in Ossian and fascination with
Tmutorokan'.
        His Slavofil (his word)
        views, his later reactions to the publication of the IT, and his
response to
        the forgeries of
        "medieval Czech" poems by his students Hanka and Linde are all
congruent
        with this conclusion.

        IX.     Reexamination of the text reveals that a large number --
almost all --
        of its well-known
        "obscurities" (hapax legomena, garbled passages, out-of-place
"polonisms"
        and "classicisms,"
        pagan/Christian contradictions, geographical and genealogical
absurdities,
        etc.) can be resolved
        in light of the hypothesis of Dobrovsky's authorship.  In
particular, the
        often-discussed "Turkic"
        lexemes are in their majority (leaving aside proper names)
Slavic, Hebrew,
        or Italian in origin.

        X.      Tentative conclusions:
                1.      The original text of the IT was composed in
several stages or fragments,
        starting
        in 1792 or 1793, by Dobrovsky, as an "imitation" of the
Zadonshchina, which
        he had just read, or
        as Ossianic "variations" on its themes.  It is probable that
Dobrovsky did
        not set out to perpetrate
        a hoax, and did not intend that these "fragments" be published
(see 7,
        below).  He showed the
        "first state" to Elagin, and subsequently, after returning to
Prague, sent
        him (or perhaps
        Malinovskii) additional "fragments."
                2.      Elagin's papers having passed after his death to
Musin-Pushkin,
        Kheraskov and
        Karamzin somehow learned of the existence of the text(s).  They
both alluded
        to "fragments,"
        unmistakably some portion of the IT text, in print.
                3.      After Karamzin's explicit public announcement of
the discovery in 1797,
        Musin-
        Pushkin appears to have instructed Malinovskii to prepare an
edition.
                4.      Malinovskii was primarily (almost solely?)
responsible for the
        preparation of the
        final text, which occupied him from mid-1798 until the
appearance of the
        first edition in 1800.
                5.      Dobrovsky was unaware of this activity, and was
taken by surprise by the
        appearance of the text Editio Princeps in 1800.  But he chose
not to
        challenge the text's
        authenticity (as he would later, for a time, not expose his
students'
        fraud), and subsequently
        always treated the subject very circumspectly.
                6.      It is quite possible that neither Musin-Pushkin
nor Malinovskii knew the
        real
        origin of their text, but both certainly knew that they had
never seen an
        "ancient manuscript."
        (Malinovskii may well have known more than he told Musin-Pushkin
about
        theorigin of the text.)
        Hence their obfuscation in dealing with Kalaidovich, and
Malinovskii's
        ill-fated commission in
        1815 to Bardin to fabricate an "ancient" copy.
                7.      The question of motivation is exceedingly
complex, not only because we must
        set aside the prejudices of our age about authenticity and our
sense of the
        grandeur of the IT, but
        because Dobrovsk} was without doubt gravely afflicted with
manic-depressive
        illness, and we
        cannot know his mental state when he began and continued to work
on his
        "fragments."  But the
        views reflected in his voluminous writings and correspondence --
some sane,
        some clearly
        delirious -- comport well with the "message" of the IT, to the
extent that
        the latter can be
        established.


        I've tried in these brief paragraphs to provide a sense of how I
now see the
        text and its history.
        There remain, for me, many unanswered questions and, I do not
doubt, many
        unanswerable
        ones.  As we approach a general discussion, let me make three
appeals to all:

        Please remember that most questions anyone might pose -- about
textual
        relations, about lost
        manuscripts, about motivations and behaviors -- will arise from
the
        seemingly intolerable
        contrast between common probabilities, on the one hand, and what
might
        appear to be highly
        improbable conclusions (e.g., that a famous Bohemian Gelehrter
might,
        without wishing it, have
        bamboozled the Russian learned public.)  But the most improbable
belief in
        this whole field of
        culture history is the belief that such a text could have
appeared in East
        Slavic territory in the
        late twelfth century, whereas the appearance of one more
Ossianic text
        anywhere in Europe or
        America in 1793 is so probable as to be quite unremarkable, were
it not for
        the length of its
        successful run.

        Remember, too, that I say nothing about the poetical or other
literary
        merits of the text, though I
        have spent far too much of my life considering them.  It doesn't
really
        matter to my argument
        whether this is a work of great artistry, a learned bagatelle,
or a
        delirious pastiche.  I do,
        however, think that here we can agree with Dmitrii Likhachev,
who made a
        thoughtful point in his
        remarks prepared for the public humiliation of Aleksandr Zimin
in 1962, a
        copy of which he
        helpfully sent to Roman Jakobson at the time: since generations
of Russian
        geniuses -- poets,
        sculptors, graphic artists and musicians -- have been inspired
by the IT to
        create great works of
        art, the IT itself must have been written in the twelfth
century, where it
        towers over the literary
        landscape as a work of genius; had it been written in the
eighteenth, it
        would have been a "mere
        trifle" (_bezdelushka_).

        Remember, finally, that Zimin was right when he wrote to
Likhachev that "the
        Igor Tale is, after
        all, not an article of faith, but a subject of scholarship."
And Likhachev
        was profoundly wrong
        when he wrote to a member of the Central Committee of the
Communist Party,
        "the question of
        [the authenticity of] the Igor Tale is one of significance to
our nation."
        Russian culture and
        national self-esteem can easily survive -- and in my view will
benefit from
        -- the removal of this
        alien organism, which has become a malignant impediment to
self-examination
        and historical
        understanding.

        Edward L. Keenan
        Professor of History
        Harvard University
        Robinson Hall
        Cambridge, MA 02138

        (617) 495-2556   FAX: 496-3425


From KHIRVASA at carleton.edu  Thu May  7 21:32:38 1998
From: KHIRVASA at carleton.edu (Katya Hirvasaho)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 15:32:38 -0600
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <THU.7.MAY.1998.153238.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Robert Orr wrote:

>My question remains: there appears to be no linguistic evidence that the
>Slovo is a fabrication/forgery, and until such evidence comes to light,
>one might well question the value of a comparison between the
>(geunine until proven otherwise) twelfth century Slovo and the (invented)
>eighteenth century Ossian.

Is there any evidence to prove that linguistics is the only field of study
capable of proving and disproving originality of works of art?

Katya Hirvasaho


From roborr at aix1.uottawa.ca  Fri May  8 02:15:41 1998
From: roborr at aix1.uottawa.ca (Robert Orr)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 22:15:41 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
In-Reply-To: <v01510101b177cf5dabe1@[137.22.63.97]>
Message-ID: <THU.7.MAY.1998.221541.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

> >My question remains: there appears to be no linguistic evidence that the
> >Slovo is a fabrication/forgery, and until such evidence comes to light,
> >one might well question the value of a comparison between the
> >(geunine until proven otherwise) twelfth century Slovo and the (invented)
> >eighteenth century Ossian.
>
> Is there any evidence to prove that linguistics is the only field of study
> capable of proving and disproving originality of works of art?
>
No, not the ONLY field, but certainly ONE essential contributory field
that cannot be ignored.

Robert Orr


From BarDan at compuserve.com  Fri May  8 05:57:28 1998
From: BarDan at compuserve.com (Milman/Rancour-Laferriere)
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 01:57:28 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <FRI.8.MAY.1998.015728.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

7 May 1998

Colleagues:

Edward L. Keenan has just driven another one of his golden nails into the
coffin of Russian nationalist scholarship.  Not only is the Igor tale not
part of "Russian" literature, it is not even a part of "Rusian" (Lunt)
literature.

Another way to look at this is to observe that there is one less reason for
conflating things Rusian with things Russian, because there is one less
Rusian cultural object for Russian culture to claim for itself.

And this is good for Ukrainians, who are naturally offended by expressions
such as "Kievan Russia" ("Rossiia kievskaia" - Berdiaev) in reference to
Rus' before Russia existed.

Let's just adopt Horace Lunt's term "Rusian" and stop offending the other
East Slavs.


Daniel Rancour-Laferriere
University of California, Davis
BarDan at compuserve.com


From jdclayt at mail.utexas.edu  Fri May  8 12:02:55 1998
From: jdclayt at mail.utexas.edu (J. Douglas Clayton)
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 08:02:55 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
In-Reply-To: <199805080157_MC2-3C51-F698@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.MAY.1998.080255.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>
>Edward L. Keenan has just driven another one of his golden nails into the
>coffin of Russian nationalist scholarship.  Not only is the Igor tale not
>part of "Russian" literature, it is not even a part of "Rusian" (Lunt)
>literature.
>
>Another way to look at this is to observe that there is one less reason for
>conflating things Rusian with things Russian, because there is one less
>Rusian cultural object for Russian culture to claim for itself.
>
>And this is good for Ukrainians, who are naturally offended by expressions
>such as "Kievan Russia" ("Rossiia kievskaia" - Berdiaev) in reference to
>Rus' before Russia existed.
>
Our job is not to police which works belong to which literary traditions,
but to dispassionately observe the functioning of the national myth that we
call Russian literature. If that myth appropriates Slovo, then we have a
right to describe that appropriation, document it, and account for it. It
is a literary fact. Whether or not we say they have no right to do it, they
will continue to do so. By the way, Slovo is also appropriated by
modern-day Ukrainians as "Ukrainian literature." This is as offensive to
some as "Rossiia kievskaia" is to others. What is important is that it is
done *because* it is offensive (in the etymological sense), in other words,
a counter-appropriation. Beyond the issue of appropriation (and indeed of
the authenticity of Slovo, which, in the context of modern Russian
literature is a red herring), no one can dispute, it seems to me, that
Slovo is a highly influential text in Russian literature, culture, and
identity - as important, perhaps, as Kosovo is to the Serbs.




******************************************************************************
J. Douglas Clayton                              Tel. 512-471-3607 (office)
Professor and Chair                                  512-899-0848 (home)
Slavic Languages & Literatures                  Fax  512-471-6710
University of Texas
Austin TX 78713-7217

http://www.dla.utexas.edu/depts/slavic/profs/clayton.html


From aisrael at american.edu  Fri May  8 13:43:59 1998
From: aisrael at american.edu (Alina Israeli)
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 09:43:59 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <FRI.8.MAY.1998.094359.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Daniel Rancour-Laferriere wrote:

>7 May 1998
>
>Colleagues:
>
>Edward L. Keenan has just driven another one of his golden nails into the
>coffin of Russian nationalist scholarship.  Not only is the Igor tale not
>part of "Russian" literature, it is not even a part of "Rusian" (Lunt)
>literature.
>
>Another way to look at this is to observe that there is one less reason for
>conflating things Rusian with things Russian, because there is one less
>Rusian cultural object for Russian culture to claim for itself.
>
>And this is good for Ukrainians, who are naturally offended by expressions
>such as "Kievan Russia" ("Rossiia kievskaia" - Berdiaev) in reference to
>Rus' before Russia existed.
>
>Let's just adopt Horace Lunt's term "Rusian" and stop offending the other
>East Slavs.

This is not just policing "which works belong to which literary traditions"
as J. Douglas Clayton wrote, but ideological control of language and
linguistics. By the same token, Portugese should hate Spaniards for common
cultural history, and French should have it in for Italians for the common
Latin literature and language, and we should all hate each other for having
shared the common Indo-European language. And we should certainly support
the Greeks in their claim to the word Macedonian.

Alina Israeli


From ggerhart at wolfenet.com  Fri May  8 15:03:13 1998
From: ggerhart at wolfenet.com (Genevra Gerhart)
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 08:03:13 -0700
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <FRI.8.MAY.1998.080313.0700.>

Thank you, Alina, for bringing reason to the teapot tempest. gg
--
Genevra Gerhart
http://www.wolfenet.com/~ggerhart/

2134 E. Interlaken  Bl.                 Tel. 206/329-0053
Seattle, WA  98112                      ggerhart at wolfenet.com


From KHIRVASA at carleton.edu  Fri May  8 15:24:58 1998
From: KHIRVASA at carleton.edu (Katya Hirvasaho)
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 09:24:58 -0600
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <FRI.8.MAY.1998.092458.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

J. Douglas Clayton wrote:
>>
>Our job is not to police which works belong to which literary traditions,
>but to dispassionately observe the functioning of the national myth that we
>call Russian literature. If that myth appropriates Slovo, then we have a
>right to describe that appropriation, document it, and account for it. It
>is a literary fact. Whether or not we say they have no right to do it, they
>will continue to do so. By the way, Slovo is also appropriated by
>modern-day Ukrainians as "Ukrainian literature." This is as offensive to
>some as "Rossiia kievskaia" is to others. What is important is that it is
>done *because* it is offensive (in the etymological sense), in other words,
>a counter-appropriation. Beyond the issue of appropriation (and indeed of
>the authenticity of Slovo, which, in the context of modern Russian
>literature is a red herring), no one can dispute, it seems to me, that
>Slovo is a highly influential text in Russian literature, culture, and
>identity - as important, perhaps, as Kosovo is to the Serbs.
>
>
>
>
>******************************************************************************
>J. Douglas Clayton                              Tel. 512-471-3607 (office)
>Professor and Chair                                  512-899-0848 (home)
>Slavic Languages & Literatures                  Fax  512-471-6710
>University of Texas
>Austin TX 78713-7217
>
>http://www.dla.utexas.edu/depts/slavic/profs/clayton.html

--Certainly our job is not policing; however, as scholars we do have the
responsibility to try to be as impartial as possible and not contribute to
the perpetuation of myths, be they cultural or national, or kul'ty
lichnosti.  One problem is that it is not generally recognized that
language is a tool of cultural implementation and control and is never
neutral.  To use the term "Kievan Russia" would indeed be reinforcing the
Russian nationalist myth of Kiev as Russian. It is not an "innocent" term.
For example, in English we no longer consider "he" to be a neutral, generic
designation as it was claimed to be in earlier times, but one marked by
gender.

Katya Hirvasaho


From aisrael at american.edu  Fri May  8 15:35:09 1998
From: aisrael at american.edu (Alina Israeli)
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 11:35:09 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <FRI.8.MAY.1998.113509.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Katya Hirvasaho wrote:

>  One problem is that it is not generally recognized that
>language is a tool of cultural implementation and control and is never
>neutral.  To use the term "Kievan Russia" would indeed be reinforcing the
>Russian nationalist myth of Kiev as Russian. It is not an "innocent" term.
>For example, in English we no longer consider "he" to be a neutral, generic
>designation as it was claimed to be in earlier times, but one marked by
>gender.

But doesn't the already cited Povest' vremennyx let say: "otkuda est'
poshla russkaja zemlja"? Should we also object to the self-name of the time
on the grounds that later on the nation split? Aren't we perpetuating the
"bratoubijstvennye mezhdousobicy" of the time, only under a different
guise?

Alina Israeli


From solomons at slt.lk  Fri May  8 17:00:19 1998
From: solomons at slt.lk (Wendell W. Solomons)
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 23:00:19 +0600
Subject: Escapism and Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <FRI.8.MAY.1998.230019.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Greetings !

We have seen civil rationale expressed for the study
of the Legend of Igor's Platoon at this time in history:

>Russian culture and national self-esteem can easily survive --
>and in my view will benefit from -- the removal of this alien
>organism, which has become a malignant impediment to self-
>examination and historical understanding.

>Edward L. Keenan
>Harvard University

It transpires that we also need to understand allusions
such as:

>no one can dispute, it seems to me, that
>Slovo is a highly influential text in
>Russian literature, culture, and identity -
>as important, perhaps, as Kosovo is to the
>Serbs.

>J. Douglas Clayton
>University of Texas

There is history right here. We know Russians
experienced two alien cultural intrusions in
this century, that of (1) Karl Marx's Communism
and that of (2) Milton Friedman's neoliberalism.

Both alien intrusions were materially assisted
by treasuries overseas, in the second case quite
overtly. PR firm Buston-Marstellar sent its
bill to the U.S. tax-payer with the good grace
of the U.S.AID's uncontested contractor Jeffery
Sachs of Harvard.

Five years after this "Free-to-Choose" campaign, on
the territory of Russia are strewn 6000 nuclear
warheads whereas some 20 million people have not
received their salaries for 8 months and more. To
feed their families, nuclear technicians are leaving
for countries they may NEVER have wanted to work in
before. Jeffrey Sachs has made a contribution to
nuclear proliferation and it is in such circumstances
that the Ph.D. head of a nuclear research institution
shot himself in the head because he had no other
alternative to offer the families of his colleagues.

This is hardly a time to dig pits for one's neighbor.
In the circumstances of such disarray in Russia it is
not only sportsmanship that matters though to that we
must make our bow.

We must consider the ecological pit into which much of
Eurasia would fall  -- with the threat to civilization
extending into the Americas. If the Russian economy is
not stabilized, we must consider that the continuation
of a free-for-all in that country will transport us into
scenes in Revelations.

If appreciate that "study is study," we must also have
the horizons to realise that haste NOW for an ethnic
cleanup in culture may depict us in the throes of hunt on
fellow man, incensed by the same neoliberal utopia of
"Free-to-choose." This again is the same anarchist
formulation hyped parasitically since 1976. "Me-Myself-Mine"
was promoted on a platform provided by COMMUNITY resources.

We see Jeffery Sachs' prepared his audience for a trip rather
like Marshall Applewhite did at Heaven's Gate. That Pied Piper
completed his escapist mission last year when 39 U.S. citizens
drank vodka or softdrink laced with cyanide and left the parents
who had raised them. In this situation, we must have the wisdom
to refrain from rushing on another escapist race into an ultimate
choice such as Heaven's Gate for everyone on this earth.

Finally, we might enquire about the sincerity on cleansing of
Harvard's Slavic lights. What were they doing when in their
very neighborhood Jeffrey Sachs packed his bag of neoliberalism
to implant it in Russia. Did their expertise on Russia speak out
about the grafting of a foreign body at cost to their fellow
Americans' resources? Were they blind to malignant implants
then? Are they more astute leaders today? Can we avoid becoming
victims of an escapist stunt?

I can no better close my comment by mentioning that on 25th
January this year an emphatic warning on neoliberal agenda
came quite significantly from Pontiff John Paul II.

Shalom! Peace! Mir!

:---------------------:
wendell wilmir solomons
management research
:---------------------:

Friedman's sponsor used the cry "Evil Empire" to save us from all
Soviet citizens. He was later forced to withdraw the scapegoat idea
but Friedman and Sachs have brought it home to us:

REV 17:3  Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a
desert. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was
covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns.

4  The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering
with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her
hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries.

5  This title was written on her forehead: MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT
THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

6  I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints, the
blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus. When I saw her, I was
greatly astonished.


From KHIRVASA at carleton.edu  Fri May  8 19:35:31 1998
From: KHIRVASA at carleton.edu (Katya Hirvasaho)
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 13:35:31 -0600
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <FRI.8.MAY.1998.133531.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>But doesn't the already cited Povest' vremennyx let say: "otkuda est'
>poshla russkaja zemlja"? Should we also object to the self-name of the time
>on the grounds that later on the nation split? Aren't we perpetuating the
>"bratoubijstvennye mezhdousobicy" of the time, only under a different
>guise?
>
>Alina Israeli

--It can be confusing, but when we, the speakers of late 20th century, say
"Russia" and "Russian," it does not mean the same as "russkaja zemlja" of
the PVL.  "Russia" is a political, ideological, and cultural concept,
invented in the 18th and 19th centuries in its present interpretation.
(Benedict Anderson,  _Imagined Communities.  Reflections on the Origin and
Spread of Nationalism_.  Revised ed.  London and New York:  Verso, 1991.)

For example, since there was no France, Charlemagne is not referred to as a
French king, but Frankish.

Katya Hirvasaho


From JKALB at WELLESLEY.EDU  Fri May  8 19:46:07 1998
From: JKALB at WELLESLEY.EDU (Judith E. Kalb)
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 15:46:07 -0400
Subject: help for Japanese-American student studying Russian
Message-ID: <FRI.8.MAY.1998.154607.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear colleagues,
I am wondering whether any of you might have some advice for a student of
mine who is eager to go study in Russia next year.  She is hesitating
because she does not know whether as a Japanese-American she would
be at particular risk of encountering bigotry and potential danger while
there. She is eager to talk to other Asian-American students who have
studied in Russia recently.  If any of you knows about this issue or has
someone she might be able to consult, we'd be very grateful indeed!
Thank you,
Judith Kalb

Dr. Judith E. Kalb
Department of Russian
Wellesley College
Wellesley, MA 02181
jkalb at wellesley.edu


From aisrael at american.edu  Fri May  8 19:47:25 1998
From: aisrael at american.edu (Alina Israeli)
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 15:47:25 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <FRI.8.MAY.1998.154725.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Katya Hirvasaho wrote:

>For example, since there was no France, Charlemagne is not referred to as a
>French king, but Frankish.

But Rus' existed, and therefore the daughter of one of the Kievan princes
(knjaz' Jaroslav Mudryj) is known as Anne de Russie, after she married a
French king (Henri I).

Alina Israeli


From ipustino at syr.edu  Fri May  8 19:53:10 1998
From: ipustino at syr.edu (Irena Ustinova)
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 15:53:10 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <FRI.8.MAY.1998.155310.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Before the 14th century there was one nation, that later divided into
Russians, Ukrainians, Belorussians and one language- Old Slavic. So there is
nothing offensive for Ukrainians  that the State was Kiev Rus', as there was
a tribe of Rus' who lived at that territory.

Irena Ustinova


and oAt 09:43 AM 5/8/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Daniel Rancour-Laferriere wrote:
>
>>7 May 1998
>>
>>Colleagues:
>>
>>Edward L. Keenan has just driven another one of his golden nails into the
>>coffin of Russian nationalist scholarship.  Not only is the Igor tale not
>>part of "Russian" literature, it is not even a part of "Rusian" (Lunt)
>>literature.
>>
>>Another way to look at this is to observe that there is one less reason for
>>conflating things Rusian with things Russian, because there is one less
>>Rusian cultural object for Russian culture to claim for itself.
>>
>>And this is good for Ukrainians, who are naturally offended by expressions
>>such as "Kievan Russia" ("Rossiia kievskaia" - Berdiaev) in reference to
>>Rus' before Russia existed.
>>
>>Let's just adopt Horace Lunt's term "Rusian" and stop offending the other
>>East Slavs.
>
>This is not just policing "which works belong to which literary traditions"
>as J. Douglas Clayton wrote, but ideological control of language and
>linguistics. By the same token, Portugese should hate Spaniards for common
>cultural history, and French should have it in for Italians for the common
>Latin literature and language, and we should all hate each other for having
>shared the common Indo-European language. And we should certainly support
>the Greeks in their claim to the word Macedonian.
>
>Alina Israeli
>
>


From hart.12 at osu.edu  Fri May  8 22:00:51 1998
From: hart.12 at osu.edu (Carol Hart)
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 16:00:51 -0600
Subject: Font help
In-Reply-To: <199805080157_MC2-3C51-F698@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.MAY.1998.160051.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Colleagues,

I will soon begin writing the text of my dissertation and I am trying to
resolve some formatting issues in advance. I will be citing numerous
examples from eighteenth-century dialogue books and I wish to represent the
texts as they were originally printed, i.e. with jat and variations of i,
with one and two dots (as in Modern Ukrainian). I would like to use a
cyrillic font with these characters that uses the English keyboard and not
a cyrillic keyboard because I believe that it will make the use of Styles
within Word 6.0 difficult, if not impossible. Does anyone have any
solutions/experience in such matters?

Thank you in advance for all responses. Please respond off-list to
hart.12 at osu.edu.

Carol Hart
Department of Slavic and East European Languages and LIteratures
Ohio State University


From rdelossa at fas.harvard.edu  Fri May  8 23:24:24 1998
From: rdelossa at fas.harvard.edu (Robert De Lossa)
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 18:24:24 -0500
Subject: Rossiia kievskaia/Rus'/Shameless Plugging/Slovo/Sachs
In-Reply-To: <199805081207.IAA17032@smtp4.fas.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.8.MAY.1998.182424.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>"Rossiia kievskaia"

???

Has someone encountered this term in Russian? The term I've seen is
"Kievskaia Rus'."

Although I am tempted to launch into a discussion of the terminological
discussion about "Rus'" and "russkii," I'll resist and put in a plug for a
booklet we published a while ago that has a very good discussion of the
terminological issues here and will also give those who haven't come across
it before, a sense of how "Ukrainian" historiography handles some of this.
(There are a variety of voices in Ukrainian historiography and national
mythologies haven't congealed as well as in Russia, thus the quotes...) The
booklet is entitled "From Kievan Rus' to Modern Ukraine" and contains
reprints of articles by Mykhailo Hrushevs'kyi and Omeljan Pritsak and John
Reshetar, Jr. E-mail me **off list** if you'd like a copy (I'll send it for
the cost of postage only as a service to the field). Our Institute has long
been working on these issues in the context of the Harvard Library of Early
Ukrainian Literature (the series title is a conscious attempt to get people
_thinking_ about the Early East Slavic period as not just "Old Russian"
literature). If you are interested in Old Rus' literature take a gander at
http://www.sabre.org/huri and go to the publications catalog for our
translation series in HLEUL. Each (hagiography, edificatory prose, sermons
and rhetoric) contains first-rate introductions to the period and problems
of language, literary criticism, historiography, etc. They are balanced and
I think those that care will find them useful and informative (testimonials
online welcomed).

Ok, plug over. In general, those interested in medieval East Slavic really
should be aware of the ways in which East Slavic attitudes toward the past
was shaped in the early-modern period (especially the Ruthenian influence
on late Muscovite historiography). It's been said before, but I'll repeat
that our conception of "russkii"--or even its use by contemporary speakers
through the ages--does not have a linear progression from the tenth century
to the almost-twenty-first. Care is warranted in use of the terminology,
not so much because of the sensitivites of modern ethnicities (although
kindness and concern are virtues we need more of), but because one _as a
scholar_ can easily misunderstand one's sources by _assuming_ linear
relationships backward from the present (or the nineteenth century or
whenever). I am not so naive as to think that any scholar operates without
prejudices, but a good scholar is aware of his/her prejudices and makes
them explicit so that others can more effectively judge the value of
his/her work and replicate his/her data (which is the essence of the
scientific method by which we, hopefully, operate).

For those that don't want to spring a buck for the booklet, note, in short:
"Rus'" can refer to Varangian (then Slavic) elite clans, various lands in
the middle ages, different lands in the late middle ages, part of the
Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, part of historical Hungary, part of what is
now Slovakia, part of what is now Ukraine, part of what is now the Russian
Federation. It refers to territory sometimes, various ethnoses at others,
sometimes the elite, sometimes the chern'. Modifiers used with the term
come and go, depending on time and place (Kievskaia rus'/Kyiivs'ka
rus'=Kievan Rus' for Russians and Ukrainians [and Kyivan Rus' for
progressive sympaticos], Czerwona Rus/Chervona Rus'=Galicia for Poles and
Ukrainians; Podkarpatskazrusz/Pidkarpats'ka Rus'/Podkarpatska or Uhorska
Rus=Subcarpathian Ruthenia for Hungarians, Ukrainians, Czechs and Slovaks;
etc., etc.) To top it all off, "Rossiia" was used by some early modern
Ukrainians and Belarusians to describe themselves within the
Commonwealth... Go figure.

Cheers to all, Rob De Lossa

Addendum: On Sachsiana and the Roswellization of Keenan's Slovo work. It is
astonishing to me that the discussion of the Slovo could have brought on
Jeffrey Sachs bashing (I suppose getting Pipes, too, gives extra credit).
But maybe I should not be so surprised. I would gently remind our colleague
of a few things: 1) SEELANGS, as last I saw, stands for Slavic and East
European LANGuageS. There are several good alt. groups for anti-Sachs
invective and lamentation on things economic in Russia and Ukraine. Most of
us here live by the word and its analysis, not the GDP or export-import
balances. Despite that observation, I will further note: 2) The Soviet
economy fell apart first, this is the primary reason the Russian and
Ukrainian economies are the way they are and, indeed, the major reason why
we now talk about a "Russian" and "Ukrainian" economy at all. All the FSU
countries inherited little rotten economies from the big rotten one and
merciless nomenklaturas and Soviet institutional criminality that easily
translated into regional criminality (cf. Roman Szporluk's prescient
comment long ago that the CPSU functioned like a big Cosa Nostra). Rumors
to the contrary, Sachs did not advise Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, et al., when
they created the institutions that made the USSR what it was and thereby
determined the history of that region to this day. 3) If one thinks that
the West (or any individual therein) is more responsible for the fate of
Russian (or Ukrainian or whatever FSU republic) citizens than the
indigenous political elites (including the elements of the nomenklatura
that remain, which is significant and determinative), the ROC and other
national churches, the other regional churches, the people themselves
(after all, most _are_ technically living in democracies now), the mafias,
etc., it is his or her choice, but I question it. Why is it that the Soviet
Union had great intellects that we respected and mighty warriors that we
feared before the _raspad_, but that afterward the successor states are
deemed not capable of being responsible for themselves or resisting the
depredations of the _zapadnye dollarovye sotni_? We Americans have not done
as good a job as we could have with post-independence Russia, certainly,
and there have been problems at HIID, the USAID, the IMF, and the World
Bank, but Russia, ultimately, is responsible for Russia (Ukraine for
Ukraine, etc.). Multi-nationals and our government are doing to them no
more than what they're doing to us (or would do, absent organized
resistance) at home. 4) I know Prof. Sachs and his work. He is a decent man
and has applied that decency to his work in other economies. I think
someone should finally say "enough's enough" with attributing every woe in
the FSU to Jeff Sachs. There, I've said it. 5) With regard to the implied
Keenan-Pipes-Sachs/Harvard conspiracy: Internal logic, man! Anyone who
thinks that two Harvard professors (let alone three) would agree on any
topic long enough to form a conspiracy...

Have a nice weekend.

____________________________________________________
Robert De Lossa
Director of Publications
Ukrainian Research Institute, Harvard University
1583 Massachusetts Ave., Cambridge, MA 02138
617-496-8768; fax. 617-495-8097
reply to: rdelossa at fas.harvard.edu
http://www.sabre.org/huri


From eurasian at globalserve.net  Sat May  9 00:47:01 1998
From: eurasian at globalserve.net (Middle EurAsian Books)
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 20:47:01 -0400
Subject: Rossiia kievskaia/Rus'/Shameless Plugging/Slovo/Sachs
Message-ID: <FRI.8.MAY.1998.204701.0400.EURASIAN@GLOBALSERVE.NET>

Dear Dr. De Lossa:

Could I request the brochure on the Ukrainian literature you mentioned in
your posting to the SEELangs?

Please, let me know how I could pay the postal expenses.

Here is my address:


Oleg Semikhnenko
Middle EurAsian Books
eurasian at globalserve.net
Box 67045, 3200 Erin Mills Pkwy
Mississauga, Ontario
CANADA  L5L 1W8
Tel. (1)-905-828-1014
Fax.(1)-905-828-7967


Thank you very much.

Yours Faithfully,

Oleg Semikhnenko
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert De Lossa <rdelossa at fas.harvard.edu>
To: SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU <SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Date: Friday, May 08, 1998 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: Rossiia kievskaia/Rus'/Shameless Plugging/Slovo/Sachs


>>"Rossiia kievskaia"
>
>???
>
>Has someone encountered this term in Russian? The term I've seen is
>"Kievskaia Rus'."
>
>Although I am tempted to launch into a discussion of the terminological
>discussion about "Rus'" and "russkii," I'll resist and put in a plug for a
>booklet we published a while ago that has a very good discussion of the
>terminological issues here and will also give those who haven't come across
>it before, a sense of how "Ukrainian" historiography handles some of this.
>(There are a variety of voices in Ukrainian historiography and national
>mythologies haven't congealed as well as in Russia, thus the quotes...) The
>booklet is entitled "From Kievan Rus' to Modern Ukraine" and contains
>reprints of articles by Mykhailo Hrushevs'kyi and Omeljan Pritsak and John
>Reshetar, Jr. E-mail me **off list** if you'd like a copy (I'll send it for
>the cost of postage only as a service to the field). Our Institute has long
>been working on these issues in the context of the Harvard Library of Early
>Ukrainian Literature (the series title is a conscious attempt to get people
>_thinking_ about the Early East Slavic period as not just "Old Russian"
>literature). If you are interested in Old Rus' literature take a gander at
>http://www.sabre.org/huri and go to the publications catalog for our
>translation series in HLEUL. Each (hagiography, edificatory prose, sermons
>and rhetoric) contains first-rate introductions to the period and problems
>of language, literary criticism, historiography, etc. They are balanced and
>I think those that care will find them useful and informative (testimonials
>online welcomed).
>
>Ok, plug over. In general, those interested in medieval East Slavic really
>should be aware of the ways in which East Slavic attitudes toward the past
>was shaped in the early-modern period (especially the Ruthenian influence
>on late Muscovite historiography). It's been said before, but I'll repeat
>that our conception of "russkii"--or even its use by contemporary speakers
>through the ages--does not have a linear progression from the tenth century
>to the almost-twenty-first. Care is warranted in use of the terminology,
>not so much because of the sensitivites of modern ethnicities (although
>kindness and concern are virtues we need more of), but because one _as a
>scholar_ can easily misunderstand one's sources by _assuming_ linear
>relationships backward from the present (or the nineteenth century or
>whenever). I am not so naive as to think that any scholar operates without
>prejudices, but a good scholar is aware of his/her prejudices and makes
>them explicit so that others can more effectively judge the value of
>his/her work and replicate his/her data (which is the essence of the
>scientific method by which we, hopefully, operate).
>
>For those that don't want to spring a buck for the booklet, note, in short:
>"Rus'" can refer to Varangian (then Slavic) elite clans, various lands in
>the middle ages, different lands in the late middle ages, part of the
>Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, part of historical Hungary, part of what is
>now Slovakia, part of what is now Ukraine, part of what is now the Russian
>Federation. It refers to territory sometimes, various ethnoses at others,
>sometimes the elite, sometimes the chern'. Modifiers used with the term
>come and go, depending on time and place (Kievskaia rus'/Kyiivs'ka
>rus'=Kievan Rus' for Russians and Ukrainians [and Kyivan Rus' for
>progressive sympaticos], Czerwona Rus/Chervona Rus'=Galicia for Poles and
>Ukrainians; Podkarpatskazrusz/Pidkarpats'ka Rus'/Podkarpatska or Uhorska
>Rus=Subcarpathian Ruthenia for Hungarians, Ukrainians, Czechs and Slovaks;
>etc., etc.) To top it all off, "Rossiia" was used by some early modern
>Ukrainians and Belarusians to describe themselves within the
>Commonwealth... Go figure.
>
>Cheers to all, Rob De Lossa
>
>Addendum: On Sachsiana and the Roswellization of Keenan's Slovo work. It is
>astonishing to me that the discussion of the Slovo could have brought on
>Jeffrey Sachs bashing (I suppose getting Pipes, too, gives extra credit).
>But maybe I should not be so surprised. I would gently remind our colleague
>of a few things: 1) SEELANGS, as last I saw, stands for Slavic and East
>European LANGuageS. There are several good alt. groups for anti-Sachs
>invective and lamentation on things economic in Russia and Ukraine. Most of
>us here live by the word and its analysis, not the GDP or export-import
>balances. Despite that observation, I will further note: 2) The Soviet
>economy fell apart first, this is the primary reason the Russian and
>Ukrainian economies are the way they are and, indeed, the major reason why
>we now talk about a "Russian" and "Ukrainian" economy at all. All the FSU
>countries inherited little rotten economies from the big rotten one and
>merciless nomenklaturas and Soviet institutional criminality that easily
>translated into regional criminality (cf. Roman Szporluk's prescient
>comment long ago that the CPSU functioned like a big Cosa Nostra). Rumors
>to the contrary, Sachs did not advise Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, et al., when
>they created the institutions that made the USSR what it was and thereby
>determined the history of that region to this day. 3) If one thinks that
>the West (or any individual therein) is more responsible for the fate of
>Russian (or Ukrainian or whatever FSU republic) citizens than the
>indigenous political elites (including the elements of the nomenklatura
>that remain, which is significant and determinative), the ROC and other
>national churches, the other regional churches, the people themselves
>(after all, most _are_ technically living in democracies now), the mafias,
>etc., it is his or her choice, but I question it. Why is it that the Soviet
>Union had great intellects that we respected and mighty warriors that we
>feared before the _raspad_, but that afterward the successor states are
>deemed not capable of being responsible for themselves or resisting the
>depredations of the _zapadnye dollarovye sotni_? We Americans have not done
>as good a job as we could have with post-independence Russia, certainly,
>and there have been problems at HIID, the USAID, the IMF, and the World
>Bank, but Russia, ultimately, is responsible for Russia (Ukraine for
>Ukraine, etc.). Multi-nationals and our government are doing to them no
>more than what they're doing to us (or would do, absent organized
>resistance) at home. 4) I know Prof. Sachs and his work. He is a decent man
>and has applied that decency to his work in other economies. I think
>someone should finally say "enough's enough" with attributing every woe in
>the FSU to Jeff Sachs. There, I've said it. 5) With regard to the implied
>Keenan-Pipes-Sachs/Harvard conspiracy: Internal logic, man! Anyone who
>thinks that two Harvard professors (let alone three) would agree on any
>topic long enough to form a conspiracy...
>
>Have a nice weekend.
>
>____________________________________________________
>Robert De Lossa
>Director of Publications
>Ukrainian Research Institute, Harvard University
>1583 Massachusetts Ave., Cambridge, MA 02138
>617-496-8768; fax. 617-495-8097
>reply to: rdelossa at fas.harvard.edu
>http://www.sabre.org/huri
>


From yamato at yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp  Sat May  9 01:01:40 1998
From: yamato at yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp (Yoshimasa Tsuji)
Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 10:01:40 +0900
Subject: help for Japanese-American student studying Russian
In-Reply-To: <01IWSNWI4PBM8WZ4N0@WELLESLEY.EDU> (JKALB@WELLESLEY.EDU)
Message-ID: <SAT.9.MAY.1998.100140.0900.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Though a non-American Japanese myself, my observation may be
of some help.
  Generally speaking, being a Japanese in Russia is a potential danger
in many ways.
  1. If poorly dressed, you will be taken for a Vietnamese or a Chinese
     and will be roughly treated everywhere.
  2. In provicial towns where Japan is little known (this often happens
     in national republics such as Marii El), you will be treated just
     like any other foreigners (schoolboys may beat you for fun, etc.)
  3. If you are superbly dressed, you will be inviting everyone to
     attack you in Russia. It is wrong to be dressed nicely without
     hiring bodyguards.
As for myself, I am poorly dressed (not with a design, but due to my
budget restraint), carry no valuables, and stay in known places.
     Good news is that Japanese girls are not known to be sexually
attacked in Russia.
     My personal impression is that Japanese are safer than Germans
because they tend to be regarded to be poorer, but are more often
victims due to their lack of cautiousness (showing off a computer,
living in a flat with a wooden door, being alone with suspicious
guys in a corridor, inviting criminal by not paying extra money to
a railway conductor, who would naturally inform someone for revenge
of a fact that in car number something sleeps a rich man,..) Of course
Japanese Americans are not that stupid, I am sure.

    It is nice to look having come from the West but not rich
enough to entice criminals. Just behave like another American student,
and you will be safe, I assure you. Moscow has become much safer now
compared with four years ago: Transcaucasians and Gypsies are fewer
(they are challenged and harrassed by police all too often); crimimals are
no longer interested in small money...

    My own experience is that life in Russia is much better than in
UK or US where hatred towards Orientals stands out.

Cheers,
Tsuji

P.S.
All of my remarks above are based on my personal experience including
hearsay from my compatriots, but not on any academic surveys. So
you need to understand with a pinch of salt.


From esampson at cu.campus.mci.net  Sat May  9 04:01:40 1998
From: esampson at cu.campus.mci.net (Earl Sampson)
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 21:01:40 -0700
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <FRI.8.MAY.1998.210140.0700.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

   As a rank amateur in these matters, I had not intended to participate in
the SLOVO debate, but since my name has been invoked -
on Thu, 7 May 1998 14:54:37 -0400, Peter Fischer wrote:
>as the
>current disputation about the authenticity of the Igor Tale has
>generated more and more commentary, the temptation to leap into the fray
>became too strong to resist.  Still, I held back for a while expecting
>my old friends and classmates in Roman Jakobson's Igor Tale seminar of
>1960/61, Bob Rothstein and Earl Sampson, to wade in ahead of me because
>a few months ago they had both reminisced here about that unforgettably
>idiosyncratic seminar, surely one of Jakobson's last and greatest
>classroom performances at Harvard...

- I feel something of an obligation (to the shade of Roman Jakobson?) to
weigh in on the side of the "authenticists."  For me the two decisive
arguments have always been the linguistic and the artisitic, i.e. the
unlikelihood that anyone in the late 18th century had either the linguistic
sophistication to recreate 12th century Russian, or the artistic genius to
create such a masterpiece (both these doubts have already been more
eloquently expressed by participants in the current debate). That said, I
must admit that Professor Keenan's outline of his arguments has *somewhat*
shaken my long-standing faith, originally inculcated by Jakobson, in the
Tale's authenticity. I look forward to the elaboration and documentation of
those arguments in his book, but for the time being I remain a believer.

   Since Peter ended his message on a personal note, I beg the indulgence
of the list to do the same - not with a dream, but a reminiscence: of the
one and only time I encountered Professor Keenan in person, when Peter
Fischer introduced me to him on the steps of Widener Library, and he was
eager to share his excitement over just having heard of the public attack
on Zimin, to which he alludes in his May 7 posting. For some reason, that
brief, unremarkable scene has remained carefully preserved in my memory, to
be recalled in the intervening years only infrequently, but nonetheless
clearly - but never more vividly than now, when its three participants have
met again, so to speak, in cyberspace.

Earl Sampson
Boulder, CO
esampson at cu.campus.mci.net


From jlrice38 at open.org  Sat May  9 04:13:06 1998
From: jlrice38 at open.org (James L. Rice)
Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 21:13:06 -0700
Subject: Rossiia kievskaia/Rus'/Shameless Plugging/Slovo/Sachs
Message-ID: <FRI.8.MAY.1998.211306.0700.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear R. de L.,

Please send booklet, FROM KIEVAN RUS' TO MODERN UKRAINE.  I'll reimburse
as directed:

                J. Rice
                3615 Lachs Ct. S.
                Salem, OR 97302

Thanks,

Jim Rice
University of Oregon

At 06:24 PM 5/8/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>"Rossiia kievskaia"
>
>???
>
>Has someone encountered this term in Russian? The term I've seen is
>"Kievskaia Rus'."
>
>Although I am tempted to launch into a discussion of the terminological
>discussion about "Rus'" and "russkii," I'll resist and put in a plug for a
>booklet we published a while ago that has a very good discussion of the
>terminological issues here and will also give those who haven't come across
>it before, a sense of how "Ukrainian" historiography handles some of this.
>(There are a variety of voices in Ukrainian historiography and national
>mythologies haven't congealed as well as in Russia, thus the quotes...) The
>booklet is entitled "From Kievan Rus' to Modern Ukraine" and contains
>reprints of articles by Mykhailo Hrushevs'kyi and Omeljan Pritsak and John
>Reshetar, Jr. E-mail me **off list** if you'd like a copy (I'll send it for
>the cost of postage only as a service to the field). Our Institute has long
>been working on these issues in the context of the Harvard Library of Early
>Ukrainian Literature (the series title is a conscious attempt to get people
>_thinking_ about the Early East Slavic period as not just "Old Russian"
>literature). If you are interested in Old Rus' literature take a gander at
>http://www.sabre.org/huri and go to the publications catalog for our
>translation series in HLEUL. Each (hagiography, edificatory prose, sermons
>and rhetoric) contains first-rate introductions to the period and problems
>of language, literary criticism, historiography, etc. They are balanced and
>I think those that care will find them useful and informative (testimonials
>online welcomed).
>
>Ok, plug over. In general, those interested in medieval East Slavic really
>should be aware of the ways in which East Slavic attitudes toward the past
>was shaped in the early-modern period (especially the Ruthenian influence
>on late Muscovite historiography). It's been said before, but I'll repeat
>that our conception of "russkii"--or even its use by contemporary speakers
>through the ages--does not have a linear progression from the tenth century
>to the almost-twenty-first. Care is warranted in use of the terminology,
>not so much because of the sensitivites of modern ethnicities (although
>kindness and concern are virtues we need more of), but because one _as a
>scholar_ can easily misunderstand one's sources by _assuming_ linear
>relationships backward from the present (or the nineteenth century or
>whenever). I am not so naive as to think that any scholar operates without
>prejudices, but a good scholar is aware of his/her prejudices and makes
>them explicit so that others can more effectively judge the value of
>his/her work and replicate his/her data (which is the essence of the
>scientific method by which we, hopefully, operate).
>
>For those that don't want to spring a buck for the booklet, note, in short:
>"Rus'" can refer to Varangian (then Slavic) elite clans, various lands in
>the middle ages, different lands in the late middle ages, part of the
>Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, part of historical Hungary, part of what is
>now Slovakia, part of what is now Ukraine, part of what is now the Russian
>Federation. It refers to territory sometimes, various ethnoses at others,
>sometimes the elite, sometimes the chern'. Modifiers used with the term
>come and go, depending on time and place (Kievskaia rus'/Kyiivs'ka
>rus'=Kievan Rus' for Russians and Ukrainians [and Kyivan Rus' for
>progressive sympaticos], Czerwona Rus/Chervona Rus'=Galicia for Poles and
>Ukrainians; Podkarpatskazrusz/Pidkarpats'ka Rus'/Podkarpatska or Uhorska
>Rus=Subcarpathian Ruthenia for Hungarians, Ukrainians, Czechs and Slovaks;
>etc., etc.) To top it all off, "Rossiia" was used by some early modern
>Ukrainians and Belarusians to describe themselves within the
>Commonwealth... Go figure.
>
>Cheers to all, Rob De Lossa
>
>Addendum: On Sachsiana and the Roswellization of Keenan's Slovo work. It is
>astonishing to me that the discussion of the Slovo could have brought on
>Jeffrey Sachs bashing (I suppose getting Pipes, too, gives extra credit).
>But maybe I should not be so surprised. I would gently remind our colleague
>of a few things: 1) SEELANGS, as last I saw, stands for Slavic and East
>European LANGuageS. There are several good alt. groups for anti-Sachs
>invective and lamentation on things economic in Russia and Ukraine. Most of
>us here live by the word and its analysis, not the GDP or export-import
>balances. Despite that observation, I will further note: 2) The Soviet
>economy fell apart first, this is the primary reason the Russian and
>Ukrainian economies are the way they are and, indeed, the major reason why
>we now talk about a "Russian" and "Ukrainian" economy at all. All the FSU
>countries inherited little rotten economies from the big rotten one and
>merciless nomenklaturas and Soviet institutional criminality that easily
>translated into regional criminality (cf. Roman Szporluk's prescient
>comment long ago that the CPSU functioned like a big Cosa Nostra). Rumors
>to the contrary, Sachs did not advise Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, et al., when
>they created the institutions that made the USSR what it was and thereby
>determined the history of that region to this day. 3) If one thinks that
>the West (or any individual therein) is more responsible for the fate of
>Russian (or Ukrainian or whatever FSU republic) citizens than the
>indigenous political elites (including the elements of the nomenklatura
>that remain, which is significant and determinative), the ROC and other
>national churches, the other regional churches, the people themselves
>(after all, most _are_ technically living in democracies now), the mafias,
>etc., it is his or her choice, but I question it. Why is it that the Soviet
>Union had great intellects that we respected and mighty warriors that we
>feared before the _raspad_, but that afterward the successor states are
>deemed not capable of being responsible for themselves or resisting the
>depredations of the _zapadnye dollarovye sotni_? We Americans have not done
>as good a job as we could have with post-independence Russia, certainly,
>and there have been problems at HIID, the USAID, the IMF, and the World
>Bank, but Russia, ultimately, is responsible for Russia (Ukraine for
>Ukraine, etc.). Multi-nationals and our government are doing to them no
>more than what they're doing to us (or would do, absent organized
>resistance) at home. 4) I know Prof. Sachs and his work. He is a decent man
>and has applied that decency to his work in other economies. I think
>someone should finally say "enough's enough" with attributing every woe in
>the FSU to Jeff Sachs. There, I've said it. 5) With regard to the implied
>Keenan-Pipes-Sachs/Harvard conspiracy: Internal logic, man! Anyone who
>thinks that two Harvard professors (let alone three) would agree on any
>topic long enough to form a conspiracy...
>
>Have a nice weekend.
>
>____________________________________________________
>Robert De Lossa
>Director of Publications
>Ukrainian Research Institute, Harvard University
>1583 Massachusetts Ave., Cambridge, MA 02138
>617-496-8768; fax. 617-495-8097
>reply to: rdelossa at fas.harvard.edu
>http://www.sabre.org/huri
>
>


From u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de  Sat May  9 08:25:43 1998
From: u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de (Markus Osterrieder)
Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 10:25:43 +0200
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve, Rus'/Rossija
Message-ID: <SAT.9.MAY.1998.102543.0200.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

We should never forget that the conscious and unconscious mind of
medieval man was so different from ours. Can we accept that rusalki, all
kind of natural spirits, spectres, the deceased, were as "natural" as the
terms "nation", "state" itd for us moderns? They were daily experience.
There is the famous example of the 13th century peasant village
Montaillou in the County of Foix (Occitania, Southern "France") where you
had a special person who had to regulate the communication between the
recently deceased and their relatives. He was not a priest (the village
being under cathar influence anyway).

It is nothing but the mythology of modern historiography in the service
of patrotism/nationalism to describe identity and political reign of
medieval man in terms of "state" (there *is* a very concise background of
the original Italian term "lo stato" and the French "l'etat") and
"nation". Even languages are always apt to confusion. Just think what is
in the Slavic term "naROD". The same for the German "Volk". And the
"people", "le peuple", "populus", the "plebs"?

Who lived in Rus'? You had many different tribes. Slavic ones, Baltic,
Finno-Ugrian, Germanic (Scandinavian), Turk, Iranian tribes, Jews,
Armenian and so on. There was a Ruling Dynasty, an arising common written
language in various idioms, and the Church. The whole identity with
rus'kaja or rus'skaja zemlja was based on the Dynasty and Pravoslavie.
There were massive transplantations of settlers from different tribes all
over the history of pre-mongolian Rus'. Until the 19th century, the
notion of "tutajshi" was a very common one among the *peasants* (not the
elite) when they had to describe the "national" identity.

Historiography in this question is still stuck in this 19th century
concept of "national history", and this is a "fable convenue". Only
compare this with the mythology of "French history", "la nation
francaise", for example. It commonly starts with Charlemagne which is
complete nonsense. "La France" was but "la couronne" for a long time, and
even then, "l'ile de France" was reduced to very restricted parts of
today's Northern France. Even worse is "German History"! There is this
endless debate going on how to call the whole thing: History of the
Germans, the German-speaking lands, of "Germany"? In reality, it is
always an artificial construct up to a certain point in time (and even
then it happens more in the mind of the historian). Is there a Germany
today? Well, there is one German state, but this doesn't say much about
the minds of its inhabitants...

It is an important task for researchers to examine conscientiously the
use and the transported meaning of terms like "Rus'", "rus'kyj",
"russkij", "Rossija", "rossijskij", "Rossijane" in every period of time
and in every region *without* any pre-fixed concept, any "nationalistic"
purpose (like "nationbuilding") or political ideology. And the results
should NEVER serve ideological goal.

I remember a conference about Nationalism in East Central Europe, when a
British historian told his colleagues in German language that patriotism
was nothing but a disguised attempt at achieving personal, egoistic
advantages. A Polish colleague got so furious that he nearly jumped over
the table... Even for researchers it is not easy to find a common
language.

For those who read German, I worked on this question in two papers:
*Von der Sakralgemeinschaft zur modernen Nation. Die Entstehung eines
Nationalbewusstseins unter Russen, Ukrainern, Weissruthenen im Lichte der
Thesen Benedict Andersons. In: Formen des nationalen Bewusstseins im
Lichte zeitgenössischer Nationalismustheorien. Ed. Eva Schmidt-Hartmann.
Muenchen: Oldenburg 1994, S. 197-232.
*Das Ringen um die Vergangenheit. Mychajlo Hrushevs¹kyj und die
Problematik einer Konzeption der osteuropaeischen Geschichte. Muenchen
1998 (= Osteuropa-Institut Muenchen. Mitteilungen Nr. 30, 1998) (in
print).


Markus Osterrieder


On 08.05.1998 21:53 Uhr ipustino at syr.edu wrote:

>Before the 14th century there was one nation, that later divided into
>Russians, Ukrainians, Belorussians and one language- Old Slavic. So there is
>nothing offensive for Ukrainians  that the State was Kiev Rus', as there was
>a tribe of Rus' who lived at that territory.
>
>Irena Ustinova
>
>
>and oAt 09:43 AM 5/8/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>Daniel Rancour-Laferriere wrote:
>>
>>>7 May 1998
>>>
>>>Colleagues:
>>>
>>>Edward L. Keenan has just driven another one of his golden nails into the
>>>coffin of Russian nationalist scholarship.  Not only is the Igor tale not
>>>part of "Russian" literature, it is not even a part of "Rusian" (Lunt)
>>>literature.
>>>
>>>Another way to look at this is to observe that there is one less reason for
>>>conflating things Rusian with things Russian, because there is one less
>>>Rusian cultural object for Russian culture to claim for itself.
>>>
>>>And this is good for Ukrainians, who are naturally offended by expressions
>>>such as "Kievan Russia" ("Rossiia kievskaia" - Berdiaev) in reference to
>>>Rus' before Russia existed.
>>>
>>>Let's just adopt Horace Lunt's term "Rusian" and stop offending the other
>>>East Slavs.
>>
>>This is not just policing "which works belong to which literary traditions"
>>as J. Douglas Clayton wrote, but ideological control of language and
>>linguistics. By the same token, Portugese should hate Spaniards for common
>>cultural history, and French should have it in for Italians for the common
>>Latin literature and language, and we should all hate each other for having
>>shared the common Indo-European language. And we should certainly support
>>the Greeks in their claim to the word Macedonian.
>>
>>Alina Israeli
>>
>>


************************************

Markus Osterrieder, M.A.

Osteuropa-Institut
Historische Abteilung
Munich, Germany

eMail: u9511bw at mail.lrz-muenchen.de


From Mourka1 at aol.com  Sat May  9 19:32:45 1998
From: Mourka1 at aol.com (Mourka1)
Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 15:32:45 EDT
Subject: "Mourka"
Message-ID: <SAT.9.MAY.1998.153245.EDT.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Zdravstvuyte Sobesedniki,  Greetings Seelangers!

I have learned last week that my show "Mourka" has been chosen to be part of a
theatre festival in New York City, in August.  I would like those people who
would like to come see the show in New York, to please Email your mailing
addresses to me so that I can add them to my mailing list.  I will then send
you a flyer by regular mail in July giving a detailed description of where and
when "Mourka" will be staged.  I am very excited about this prospect as it is
a culmination of about five years of work.

If you missed my initial letter to SEELANGS, the show "Mourka" is a one-woman
autobiographical play using my Russian aristocratic background as a backdrop
to a young woman growing up in the fast lane in New York in the late 60's,
early 70's. It is laced with choreography,  black culture,  various adventures
and universal men, women, artists, emigre conflicts.  It is a multi-media
production utilizing a huge screen onto which are projected archival and
personal photographs which interlace the narrative throughout the play.  The
music ranges from live and taped Russian gypsy songs and romances sung by me
to Aretha Franklin to the Russian Orthodox Liturgy.

In addition, I am selling my audio cassette of Russian Gypsy songs and
romances.   Some of the songs I sing in my show.  If you are interested,
please send me $10.00 + $2.50 for mailing and I will promptly send a cassette
out to you.  Thank you.

Privet,

Margarita Meyendorff (Mourka)


From solomons at slt.lk  Sat May  9 21:56:40 1998
From: solomons at slt.lk (Wendell W. Solomons)
Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 03:56:40 +0600
Subject: Cleansing and Slovo o polku Igoreve
Message-ID: <SUN.10.MAY.1998.035640.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Greetings Friends!

The list has quietened down.  I am as relieved as
you are that good sense has prevailed and the hunt
called off.

There has been only one somewhat polemicized rebuttal
addressed to me.

That I discuss below.

Best wishes,

:------------------:
wendell w solomons
management research
:------------------:

>>From Robert De Lossa
Director of Publications
Ukrainian Research Institute, Harvard University

On Sachsiana and the Roswellization of Keenan's Slovo work. It is
astonishing to me that the discussion of the Slovo could have brought on
Jeffrey Sachs bashing (I suppose getting Pipes, too, gives extra credit).

=-=-=-=

solomons @ slt.lk responds: It is historian Keenan who promotes his work
as a cleanser of the alien in Russia. If you notice, he brings cleansing
attention to bear on ONE nation though the Legend is treasured not only
from Vladivostok to Moscow but right through to former Yugoslav cities
on the Adriatic. Keenan has thus exhibited a cleansing focus. He has himself
ascribed specific political margins which are the very ones which Richard
Pipes and Jeffrey Sachs have concentrated on among the Slav peoples. I am
discussing nothing other than Keenan's own focus as below:

>Russian culture and national self-esteem can easily survive --
>and in my view will benefit from -- the removal of this alien
>organism, which has become a malignant impediment to self-
>examination and historical understanding.

---------------------------------------

But maybe I should not be so surprised. I would gently remind our colleague
of a few things: 1) SEELANGS, as last I saw, stands for Slavic and East
European LANGuageS. There are several good alt. groups for anti-Sachs
invective and lamentation on things economic in Russia and Ukraine.

=-=-=-=

Is it the same cleansing formula that Sachs' colleague Robert De Lossa
now uses? Robert De Lossa comes forward to "defend" the purity of the
list. My word! These are great cleansers.

Perhaps these are elite dreamers who take themselves to be vaccuum cleaners,
Hoovers, for lesser mortals? A vacuum cleaner also blows out air and I suppose
this creates wind under the wing to hoist an elite flight in the clouds. Perhaps
that's why they say, "v raj na chuzhom grobu."

Besides that I quite intend a pun on Hoover. With a mindset that had him wear
female clothes and enter women's washrooms, FBI chief Hoover also liked
winning horse races.

He would supplement his income by putting mobsters out to dope the other
horses on the day before he went went on official duty to inspect the purity
of the races (you will find this in Herbert Hoover documentation at a NY site
on the WWW.) Hoover seems to have had connections to the Mob.

Milton Friedman was economic advisor (before Reagan inherited him) to the
previous Presidential hopeful Barry Goldwater but reporters blew Goldwater's
cover when it was discovered that this vacuum cleaner (the Goldwater label
had a white Supremacist hum) was a frequent guest of mobster Gus Greenbaum's
at Las Vegas' "Flamingo Hotel." We must be careful about cleansers. Friedman
rolled out his vacuum cleaner ostensibly to clean up government expenditure
but Readan was never good at that with him. Reagan wanted to even spend more
on "Star Wars."

After being dropped by movies and Jane Wyman, Reagan happened to personally
hit the hot money trail in Las Vegas after compering 'variete' around 1954.
At that point he met up with business and industry in the shape of a
spokesman's job for GEC. The new WW2 defense industry of the US Southern
rim took Reagan next door to governership in California in 1966 and thence
onwards to "Star Wars." It was from a southern platform that the kid born
above a Illinois store sold the Northern liberals down the river. That was
one secret under the belt of the folksy, Great Communicator. Once having
vowed he had voted four times for FDR, Reagan had imbibed the Northern
liberal idiom and vocabulary when cubbing as a Democrat. Then Reagan crossed
over and went on to puff neoliberalism down our noses, a medicine then called
Voodoo Economics.

---------------------------------------

Most of us here live by the word and its analysis, not the GDP or
export-import balances.
=-=-=-=
Just notice below that De Lossa gives economist Sachs a green light.
We will take that up subsequently.

So ... Robert De Lossa's particular Hoover requires that everything distinct
from his 'word' be put on alt. groups?

Where are we? Is it a matter of De Lossa's "doxy" being orthodoxy and
another's "doxy" being heterodoxy? My! Why demonize others like this and
throw them into outer darkness?

Is "living by the word" something esoteric or elite? We know "word" is
related to Skt. "arta." This was established before the common era. The
huge "Artha/sastra" of Chandragupta Maura of 300 BC deals with
propaganda, ministers, revenues, the whole gamut of statecraft. It is
almost as large a concept as "word" in Logos of John 1:1.

What if we cleanse worth, legality,  sociology, philosophy, religion,
music, poetry, from language, from word analysis? Where would this land
fellow professionals? Could anyone practice what he preaches?

---------------------------------------

Despite that observation, I will further note: 2) The Soviet
economy fell apart first, this is the primary reason the Russian and
Ukrainian economies are the way they are and, indeed, the major reason why
we now talk about a "Russian" and "Ukrainian" economy at all. All the FSU
countries inherited little rotten economies from the big rotten one and
merciless nomenklaturas and Soviet institutional criminality that easily
translated into regional criminality (cf. Roman Szporluk's prescient
comment long ago that the CPSU functioned like a big Cosa Nostra).
=-=-=-=
Commonsense was applied in the GDR. Its nomenklatura head Eric Honecker
was himself on trial. In the case of Sachs', we are dealing with sour-
grapes apologetics because Sachs had drafted himself of his own free will.
To express this in another way, it is the bad carpenter who blames his tools.

Moscow now has at least 30 criminal gangs developed during the last 6 years
through the anarchist privatization. I have to mention again that I contacted
Sachs' associate, the IBRD's Lawrence Summers in 1993 and warned him of the
consequences. I sent repeated short faxes after that. It is in the same spirit
that I speak up now on Keenan's cleanup of Russia in the Legend affair. I
speak to save myself and 6 billion people a clean-up bill for hasty antics
and charlatanry.

To read the Anne Willamson report shows that we may be dealing with criminal
negligence in the application of U.S.AID money. If elitist whitewash is not
the case, why haven't Sachs peers submited this case to the legal branch and
maintained the prestige of Harvard itself? Perhaps the prestige of Harvard
as an institution isn't the real issue?

Having had $250 million to spend, one gathers that Jeffery Sachs could afford
a little support.

---------------------------------------

Rumors to the contrary, Sachs did not advise Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, et al.,
when they created the institutions that made the USSR what it was and thereby
determined the history of that region to this day.
=-=-=-=
MAY DAY ... Why should we let down universities like this?

Would someone please take the pressure off me and post details in case
there are more people who don't know this event? I can't go beyond this
small comment. Solzhenitsyn researched and wrote a whole book on the
Zurich events.

Marxists were proscribed in Germany but the German ambassador was meeting
Lenin in Zurich. A letter from State Secretary Kuhlman shows he was
ostensibly financing "Iskra", Lenin's newspaper. From Switzerland Lenin
was sped by train across the territory of Germany to St. Petersburg. The
German State Secretary had assets right in the city. First, through foreign
trade operations the German side had built up massive counterpart funds in
St. Petersburg. Second, Germany's Princess Anna of Hesse was known by the
German embassy to have uncanny influence on her husband, ruler Nicholas II.
The State Secretary was confident that he had words from the horse's mouth
itself.

Still, for this contract of underming Nicholas II, Kuhlman had chosen the
wrong man (Sachs made the same blunder when choosing his 1993 team and they
had a noisy falling out some portion of that documented by Janine Wedel of
George Washington U.)

Lenin had previously been in business by using telegraph to inform brigands
who held up and robbed cash trains in the Caucuses with the loss of hundreds
of lives. Lenin was to resist Kuhlman's agenda and bring in Stalin from Tiflis
to trample on intellectuals. That affected the position of liberals and
spread the doctrine of Germany's Karl Marx among Slav nations. Such blunders
can have devastating effects.

---------------------------------------

Why is it that the Soviet Union had great intellects that we respected
and mighty warriors that we feared before the _raspad_, but that afterward
the successor states are deemed not capable of being responsible for
themselves or resisting the depredations of the _zapadnye dollarovye sotni_?
=-=-=-=
There is cause and effect at work here.

I have mentioned that Kofi Annan (Ghana) and Jayantha Dhanapala (Sri Lanka)
helped prevent new loss of life on the part of US/UK and Iraq. This compares
with the devastation done by Jeffrey Sachs on $ 250 billion of the U.S.
taxpayers' money. More than by definition, Russians were born in a centrally-
planned economy and were innocent of market economics. It was like taking
candy from a baby. In saving lives and resources, could the Ghanian and the
Sri Lankan have cared for humans and for American tax-payer MORE than
Jeffery Sachs?

---------------------------------------

4) I know Prof. Sachs and his work. He is a decent man and has applied that
decency to his work in other economies. I think someone should finally
say "enough's enough" with attributing every woe in the FSU to Jeff
Sachs. There, I've said it.
=-=-=-=
More than a mouthful indeed. Does Robert De Lossa professes enough
economics to give us an opinion on Sachs? Why does De Lossa then taboo
reinforcement of language study with economic, sociological, philosophical
knowledge to others?

As you can see De Lossa has proceeded deep into an attempt to whitewash
Sachs. I had simply asked about where Russian cleanser Keenan and his
fellow Slavopile cleansers had been when Prof.Sachs was getting his bags
ready for his intrusion into Russian society and culture.  The discussion
on economics and Russian civilization had to happen not post factum. Slavic
lights had to blow the whistle on time. I have remarked, "Jaitso khorosho
k kristovy dnju." Then their credentials would not stand to be debunked.

---------------------------------------

5) With regard to the implied Keenan-Pipes-Sachs/Harvard conspiracy:
Internal logic, man! Anyone who thinks that two Harvard professors (let
alone three) would agree on any topic long enough to form a conspiracy...
=-=-=-=
In the Jones family, the kids Tom, Al, Dick may be of different heights.
Yet they could all be in the same Jones family. The specific (Tom, Al, Dick)
and the general (Jones family) exist together in life. The existence of the
specific (Tom) does not negate the general (the Jones family.) Why this
pulling of an ace from one's cuff using a fallacy classically described
in semantics?

There is also an attempt to create a straw man (for burning,) to attribute
a "conspiracy" theory to me. If the "conspiracy" cap suits Robert De Lossa,
he might put it to just test.

If he is inclined to take up that position, let me say that when strong
objections are raised in circumstances where large tax payers' funds are
involved, responsible men and officials prefer to submit to judicial or
administrative investigation, conspiracies of men that may have defrauded
the tax payer or provided defective goods and services on a government
contract.

Pipes' Red Indian reservation theory for the peoples of the former USSR
is so flimsy that I shan't comment upon it. With company like that of
Pipes, who needs enemies? See the Chernobyl report below.

It is the internal logic, the consistency, that interested me at this
stage -- what the Slavic lights in the neighborhood were doing when Sachs
proposed the grafting of a foreign anarchist dogma by beaming it nightly
into every home on the central channels of Russian TV. That audience hardly
knew the sort of programming that PR firm Buston-Marstellar used, the same
firm that was used to cover up the Valdez oil-slick disaster for U.S.
audiences. Sachs had agreed to co-opting B-M which had covered up for
the silicone breast implants with which DOW have maimed hundreds of
American women. The women's group has a WWW site.

My doxy had been to ask how consistent these learned men are in their
claims of clean workmanship. The main thing Robert De Lossa has had on
offer is an attempt to get wind under his wings by using a clean-up
device of his own. His response has laid simple fallacies of reasoning
and semantics on the table and thereby evade the questions I raised.

The reflexes of conditioning he demonstrates adds little prestige to
his institution, the Ukrainian Research Institute at Harvard. It is
perhaps similar conditioning that earned the Jeffery Sachs privatization
in Russia the chapter title "Crime of the Century" in Anne Williamson's
investigative book.

-------------------------------------

Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998
From: Anne Williamson
Subject: Crime of the Century

In the current exchange on JRL regarding crime, I am compelled to
join Michelle Berdy and Jonas Bernstein in support of Peter Reddaway's
remarks concerning Anders Aslund's nefarious contentions which The Weekly
Standard surprisingly saw fit to publish.

The following material is one chapter from my just-completed book, How
America Built the New Russian Oligarchy.  My effort follows privatization
and the development of the securities market and the financial industry
generally while examining the West's assistance efforts via USAID (Harvard
University), the IMF and the World Bank.  "Crime" is inadequate as a word
and even as a concept to describe what these people perpetrated and continue
to perpetrate in Russia.

The principal criminal debacles from which all others flowed are Jeffery
Sachs's and Yegor Gaidar's shock therapy and voucher privatization.  The
preceding chapter, "Foreign Manners", deals with Sachs's and Aslund's 1992
macroeconomic "reforms" and the attached chapter is the one that deals with
voucher privatization as executed by Harvard's minions.  Later chapters
detail Shares-for-Loans and other scams, swindles and robberies in which
Harvard Management, which invests the university's endowment, and the
billionaire speculator philanthropist moralist George Soros loom large as
beneficiaries.

However, it is the crime of voucher privatization that needs to be
understood in its specifics before anyone can possibly understand the
totality of what the US did in Russia.

More at  <http://www.bookagency.com/oligarchy.html>

----------------------

Ukraine's Chernobyl to restart May 18

KIEV, May 8 (Reuters) - The third reactor at Ukraine's stricken Chernobyl
nuclear power plant will be restarted on May 18, the plant's new director
said on Friday.
   ``We plan to start up on May 18,'' Vitaly Tovstonohov, appointed director
of the plant earlier this week, told Reuters by telephone from Chernobyl,
located about 150 km (100 miles) north of the capital Kiev.
   The third reactor, the only one still operating at the plant, was shut
down last year after cracks were found in the cooling system's pipes.
   Ukraine had planned to re-activate the reactor on May 5. But the
government delayed the start saying it had been asked to do so by the
European Bank for Reconstruction and Development (EBRD) to avoid panic
at the bank's annual general meeting in the Ukrainian capital this weekend.
   ``We could start it earlier, we are ready to do so but we have to delay
it (until end of EBRD meeting),'' Tovstonohov said.
   Chernobyl's fourth reactor exploded in 1986, throwing up a radioactive
cloud which contaminated large parts of Ukraine, Belarus, Russia and other
parts of Europe.
   Ukraine has promised Western donors, including the Group of Seven (G7)
rich industrial nations, that it will close down Chernobyl by 2000.
   But Ukraine and donor countries have been haggling over hundreds of
millions of dollars the former Soviet republic says it needs to close down
the plant and repair a leaking steel and concrete structure covering the
highly radioactive fourth reactor.
   Ukraine is also demanding $1.2 billion to complete two new nuclear
reactors in the west of the country.

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From BarDan at compuserve.com  Sun May 10 03:58:14 1998
From: BarDan at compuserve.com (Milman/Rancour-Laferriere)
Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 23:58:14 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve, Rus'/Rossija
Message-ID: <SAT.9.MAY.1998.235814.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

9 May 98

Colleagues,
I am enjoying the interventions of Markus Osterrieder, and I look forward
to pulling out my German dictionary and reading the articles he mentions.

In the meantime, I note his suggestion that there was great tribal
diversity in Rus' (or in various areas of Rus' in its various temporal
incarnations).  In addition, there was great educational and political
diversity.  Perhaps the only people we should be calling Rusians were the
various East Slavic elites who thought of themselves as Rusians.  Most
occupants of the territory/territories in question did not "know" they were
Rusians.  Indeed, I am not sure even the elite knew, for I see no evidence
that "rus'skii" was an ethnonym.  The widespread term "rus'skaia zemlia"
does not seem to have been ethnonymic, but more dynastic or even cultish.

Similarly, most occupants of Russia did not "know" they were Russians until
late nineteenth-early twentiethth centuries.  Instead, as Valerii Tishkov
(following the lead of Gellner, Anderson) points out, they called
themselves "locals," "Pskovians," "Dukhobors," "Pravoslavnye," etc. 
National identity among the masses is a remarkably recent development.  And
again, even among the elite national consciousness was slow in coming.  Can
anyone provide an example of "russkii" used as an ethnonym before the
eighteenth century (as in the standard ethnographic term "russkie," not as
an ordinary adjective)?  I find Avvakum calling Aleksei Mikhailovich a
"rusak" in the seventeenth century, but this is unusual.

If the foregoing is true, then it is certainly an anachronism to be
speaking of "Kievan Russia" / "Rossiia kievskaia," as many have ever since
Karamzin (and this apart from the fact that the term offends some
Ukrainians).  "Russia" / "Rossiia" came in late, probably from Latin via
Polish.  The term came to be attached to the expanding Muscovite empire. 
Rus' was earlier, and Rusians were not Russians because Russians did not
exist yet.  The term "russkie" contains an etymological memory of Rus', but
that does not suffice to synonymize Rusians with Russians.  As Keenan has
observed, there is practically no evidence that participants in the initial
Muscovite expansion of the late fifteenth-sixteenth centuries  which led to
the formation of "Rossiia" even thought they were restoring the legacy of
Kievan Rus'.  That particular reclamation project, which continues to this
day in some quarters, did not get under way until the middle of the
seventeenth century, around the time Muscovy was expanding into Kievan
territory.  One purpose of that project has been to deny legitimacy to any
potential heirs besides Russia to the "post-Kiev space" (Roman Szporluk),
and to ensure that "Ukraine has no independent historical existence" (Paul
Robert Magocsi).

To return to the Igor tale.  I think I will continue to teach it in my
"Russian Culture" course because it has so much to offer as a literary gem,
and now because it has even more to offer than it did before in terms of
ethnohistorical debate.  Certainly I do not want to "police" what tradition
the work should be attached to, and I'm sorry if I conveyed that
impression.  I actually don't mind if my colleagues in the English
department teach Tolstoy, and I even edited a book recently by mostly
English professors, a couple of whose articles were on Dostoevsky. 
However, I will continue to point out that those Russians who foster a
"myth" that "appropriates" the Igor tale (to use Douglas Clayton's terms)
are best characterized as Russian nationalists (and of course Ukrainians
who do are Ukrainian nationalists).  And I will continue to insist, with
Lunt, that Rusians were not Russians.

Cheers,

Daniel Rancour-Laferriere
Professor, Director of Russian
University of California, Davis
BarDan at compuserve.com

PS. - I don't have a damned thing to say about Jeffrey Sachs.


From akrill at shiva.hunter.cuny.edu  Sun May 10 14:38:37 1998
From: akrill at shiva.hunter.cuny.edu (Hanya Krill)
Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 10:38:37 -0400
Subject: Slovo o polku Igoreve, Rus'/Rossija
In-Reply-To: <199805092358_MC2-3C7D-2C05@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <SUN.10.MAY.1998.103837.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

At 11:58 PM 5/9/98 -0400, Milman/Rancour-Laferriere wrote:
>9 May 98
>
>Colleagues,
>I am enjoying the interventions of Markus Osterrieder, and I look forward
>to pulling out my German dictionary and reading the articles he mentions.
>
>In the meantime, I note his suggestion that there was great tribal
>diversity in Rus' (or in various areas of Rus' in its various temporal
>incarnations).  In addition, there was great educational and political
>diversity.  Perhaps the only people we should be calling Rusians were the
>various East Slavic elites who thought of themselves as Rusians.  Most
>occupants of the territory/territories in question did not "know" they were
>Rusians.  Indeed, I am not sure even the elite knew, for I see no evidence
>that "rus'skii" was an ethnonym.  The widespread term "rus'skaia zemlia"
>does not seem to have been ethnonymic, but more dynastic or even cultish.
>
>Similarly, most occupants of Russia did not "know" they were Russians until
>late nineteenth-early twentiethth centuries.  Instead, as Valerii Tishkov
>(following the lead of Gellner, Anderson) points out, they called
>themselves "locals," "Pskovians," "Dukhobors," "Pravoslavnye," etc.
>National identity among the masses is a remarkably recent development.  And
>again, even among the elite national consciousness was slow in coming.  Can
>anyone provide an example of "russkii" used as an ethnonym before the
>eighteenth century (as in the standard ethnographic term "russkie," not as
>an ordinary adjective)?  I find Avvakum calling Aleksei Mikhailovich a
>"rusak" in the seventeenth century, but this is unusual.
>
>If the foregoing is true, then it is certainly an anachronism to be
>speaking of "Kievan Russia" / "Rossiia kievskaia," as many have ever since
>Karamzin (and this apart from the fact that the term offends some
>Ukrainians).  "Russia" / "Rossiia" came in late, probably from Latin via
>Polish.  The term came to be attached to the expanding Muscovite empire.
>Rus' was earlier, and Rusians were not Russians because Russians did not
>exist yet.  The term "russkie" contains an etymological memory of Rus', but
>that does not suffice to synonymize Rusians with Russians.  As Keenan has
>observed, there is practically no evidence that participants in the initial
>Muscovite expansion of the late fifteenth-sixteenth centuries  which led to
>the formation of "Rossiia" even thought they were restoring the legacy of
>Kievan Rus'.  That particular reclamation project, which continues to this
>day in some quarters, did not get under way until the middle of the
>seventeenth century, around the time Muscovy was expanding into Kievan
>territory.  One purpose of that project has been to deny legitimacy to any
>potential heirs besides Russia to the "post-Kiev space" (Roman Szporluk),
>and to ensure that "Ukraine has no independent historical existence" (Paul
>Robert Magocsi).
>
>To return to the Igor tale.  I think I will continue to teach it in my
>"Russian Culture" course because it has so much to offer as a literary gem,
>and now because it has even more to offer than it did before in terms of
>ethnohistorical debate.  Certainly I do not want to "police" what tradition
>the work should be attached to, and I'm sorry if I conveyed that
>impression.  I actually don't mind if my colleagues in the English
>department teach Tolstoy, and I even edited a book recently by mostly
>English professors, a couple of whose articles were on Dostoevsky.
>However, I will continue to point out that those Russians who foster a
>"myth" that "appropriates" the Igor tale (to use Douglas Clayton's terms)
>are best characterized as Russian nationalists (and of course Ukrainians
>who do are Ukrainian nationalists).  And I will continue to insist, with
>Lunt, that Rusians were not Russians.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Daniel Rancour-Laferriere
>Professor, Director of Russian
>University of California, Davis
>BarDan at compuserve.com
>
>PS. - I don't have a damned thing to say about Jeffrey Sachs.
>
>


From akrill at shiva.hunter.cuny.edu  Sun May 10 14:42:20 1998
From: akrill at shiva.hunter.cuny.edu (Hanya Krill)
Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 10:42:20 -0400
Subject: Burp
Message-ID: <SUN.10.MAY.1998.104220.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

My apologies for the waste of bandwidth.  My Eudora burped on
Professor Rancour-Laferriere's post.

On the other hand, maybe it bore repeating.

Hanya Krill
akrill at hunter.cuny.edu


From JKALB at WELLESLEY.EDU  Sun May 10 21:10:42 1998
From: JKALB at WELLESLEY.EDU (Judith E. Kalb)
Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 17:10:42 -0400
Subject: help for Japanese-American student studying Russian
Message-ID: <SUN.10.MAY.1998.171042.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

A HUGE thank you to all of you who have so kindly responded to my request
for help.  My student and I appreciate it enormously.
Best wishes,
Judith Kalb

Dr. Judith E. Kalb
Department of Russian
Wellesley College
Wellesley, MA 02181
jkalb at wellesley.edu


From margadon at quicklink.com  Thu May  7 14:46:00 1998
From: margadon at quicklink.com (A & Y)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 10:46:00 -0400
Subject: academic journals
Message-ID: <THU.7.MAY.1998.104600.0400.MARGADON@QUICKLINK.COM>

Dear SEELANGers,

what are some of the academic journals currently published in the field of
Slavic & E. European Languages & Literatures?  In other words, where can one
locate recent research, book reviews, etc.? Do any of these accept
submissions from undergraduates?

Any information, i.e. contact address, internet location (if any), and so
forth, would be much appreciated.

thank you!

Yelena Kachuro
Fordham University


From mllemily at acsu.buffalo.edu  Sun May 10 22:23:57 1998
From: mllemily at acsu.buffalo.edu (Emily Tall)
Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 18:23:57 -0400
Subject: enrollment increases
Message-ID: <SUN.10.MAY.1998.182357.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Has anyone had any increases in first-year enrollment over the last year
or two? Also, what is your usual rate of attrition between first- and
second-semester Russian language classes? And have you succeeded in
lowering that rate and retaining more students between first and second
semester? I am writing a report for my
chair and dean and would really like to be able to say that some schools
have had increases. I don't need exact figures, just more or less, and as
soon as possible. Thanks a lot! Emily Tall SUNY/Buffalo


From yamato at yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp  Sun May 10 22:29:48 1998
From: yamato at yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp (Yoshimasa Tsuji)
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 07:29:48 +0900
Subject: help for Japanese-American student studying Russian
Message-ID: <MON.11.MAY.1998.072948.0900.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Hello Judith,
You are welcome.
Tsuji


From wolf at umich.edu  Sun May 10 22:29:23 1998
From: wolf at umich.edu (Erika Wolf)
Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 18:29:23 -0400
Subject: Research Advice: Sergei Tret'iakov
Message-ID: <SUN.10.MAY.1998.182923.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

As part of my research on Soviet photography and literature of the 1920s
and 1930s, I would like to get in touch with the family of Sergei
Tret'iakov. If there is anyone who could assist me in contacting the
family, please send me an e-mail. My address is: wolf at umich.edu

Thanks in advance for any assistance or advice.



*****************************************************************
Erika M. Wolf

WORK:                                   HOME:
Department of Art and Art History       2452 Stone Road
Wayne State University                  Ann Arbor, MI 48105
150 Art Building, 450 Reuther Mall
Detroit, MI 48202
Office phone:   313-577-5967            Home phone: 734-763-7078
Office fax:     313-577-3491
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From aisrael at american.edu  Sun May 10 22:38:18 1998
From: aisrael at american.edu (Alina Israeli)
Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 18:38:18 -0400
Subject: enrollment increases
Message-ID: <SUN.10.MAY.1998.183818.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

> Also, what is your usual rate of attrition between first- and
>second-semester Russian language classes?

The attrition at AU between semesters is about the same for all languages:
about 72 % of students continue.


From schmidu at ubaclu.unibas.ch  Mon May 11 09:17:04 1998
From: schmidu at ubaclu.unibas.ch (Ulrich Schmid)
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:17:04 +0200
Subject: Solzhenitsyn's address
Message-ID: <MON.11.MAY.1998.111704.0200.>

Could anybody give me Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's address (or tell me which
is the best way to contact him)?
Thank you very much.
--
Ulrich Schmid                     schmidu at ubaclu.unibas.ch

Universitaet Basel
Slavisches Seminar
Nadelberg 4                       Oerlikonerstr. 95
CH - 4051 Basel                   CH - 8057 Zuerich

Tel./Fax (061) 267 34 11          Tel. (01) 312 16 82
http://www.unibas.ch/slavi/


From rondest+ at pitt.edu  Mon May 11 15:02:13 1998
From: rondest+ at pitt.edu (Karen A Rondestvedt)
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:02:13 -0400
Subject: academic journals
In-Reply-To: <006101bd79c6$dbb50100$54a5c0d0@ykachuro>
Message-ID: <MON.11.MAY.1998.110213.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

To Yelena Kachuro and others looking for lists of journals in Slavic (and
other) languages and literatures:

The best source of such information is the following, which you should be
able to find in your library:

Modern Language Association of America.
  MLA directory of periodicals: a guide to journals and series in
languages and literatures. 1978/79- -- [New York] Modern Language Association of
America.

The most recent issue is 1996/98. It has a subject index, and the entry
for each journal gives subscription information, information about
submitting articles, book review policies, editorial addresses, etc.

Good luck,

Karen


-*-  Karen Rondestvedt                         G-20X Hillman Library
-*-  Slavic Bibliographer                      University of Pittsburgh
-*-  University of Pittsburgh Library System   Pittsburgh, PA 15260
-*-  rondest+ at pitt.edu                         tel: (412) 648-7791
-*-  Web: http://www.pitt.edu/~rondest/        fax: (412) 648-7798


From tom.priestly at ualberta.ca  Mon May 11 19:54:04 1998
From: tom.priestly at ualberta.ca (Tom Priestly)
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 13:54:04 -0600
Subject: History of Langauge Sciences, once again
Message-ID: <MON.11.MAY.1998.135404.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear colleagues,
You will recall my turning to this list for help early in March, when the
editors of  the planned book "History of the Language Sciences,"to be
published by de Gruyter, New York were looking for someone to write the
article on Josef Dobrovsky. - Many of you were very helpful (including
Edward Keenan!), and I hereby thank you all.

Now I have had another request. The contracted author for  article 75,
"Greek influence on Old Church Slavonic linguistics" was Prof. Olexa
Horbatsch, but he unfortunately passed away.

When queried as to the context for, and  the meaning of the title of, this
article, one of the editors, Konrad Koerner, wrote to me thus:

        " . . . . About your question re the article  on Greek
        influence on OCS. If you look at the chapter XI, it reads "The
        Establishment of Linguistics in Greece", and toward the end, it has
        articles on Greek (linguistics) influence in Georgian, Armenian,
and (Old
        Church) Slavic linguistics. So this article is supposed to
        trace the Greek heritage on those non-Greek grammars, etc."

As I understand it, then, this piece would look at descriptions of OCS,
especially the  early ones (19th-C),  and see to what extent they were
influenced by extant grammars of (Byzantine and) Classical Greek, and how
these in turn derived from the Classical Greek grammarians (Thrax, and his
ilk).

So once again, please send me - off list - the names / addresses, e-mails
&c. of any potential authors. I will put them in touch with the editors.

Thanks in advance,

Tom Priestly

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
*  Tom Priestly
*  President, Society for Slovene Studies
*  Modern Languages and Comparative Studies
*  University of Alberta
*  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada T6G 2E6
---------------------------------------------------------------

*  telephone:   403 - 492 - 0789
*  fax:                403 - 492 - 2715

*  email:           tom.priestly at ualberta.ca
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


From JKALB at WELLESLEY.EDU  Mon May 11 21:42:39 1998
From: JKALB at WELLESLEY.EDU (Judith E. Kalb)
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:42:39 -0400
Subject: help for Japanese-American student studying Russian
Message-ID: <MON.11.MAY.1998.174239.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear colleagues,
With Erik Blender's gracious permission, I am posting his response
to my query.  Several people have asked me questions that this e-mail
addresses--I hope it will be helpful.  Many thanks again to all for the
terrific assistance.
Best wishes,
Judith Kalb

************************************************************************

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Dear Ms. Kalb,

My name is Erik Blender.  I am a program officer at American
Council of Teachers of Russian.  We currently have a large number
of students at several institutes in Moscow and St. Petersburg.

We have several students of Asian and African-American descent
going to both cities this summer.  You are right, there is greater cause
for concern for such students, but there are ways to lessen the
potential threats to safety.

The US Embassy in Moscow has recently released a warning to all
foreigners, specifically those of Asian or African/African-American
descent, to be more aware of threats by neo-nazi groups to carry out
acts of violence against such foreigners.

A recent attack on an African-American marine took place at the
open air CD market at Fili Park in the Moscow suburbs (Metro
Bagrationerskaya).  It is a place that has two very long strips of CD
vendors and the rest is just the park with folks milling about here
and there.  The market attracts all sorts of music enthusiasts, among
them the "metal-heads" and "punks" that might also be affiliated with
groups of skin-heads and neo-nazis.  Also, behind many of the
independent vendors, there is definitely some recreational drug
traffic and use going on.  Of course, there are also groups of drunks
that will congregate in this park.

The advice we are giving and will continue to give to our students in
response to this attack in particular, is that foreigners, in particular
those of Asian and African-American descent, should go to this
market with extreme caution, and certainly with a group of friends.
Also, we would advise that students stick to the main avenues of CD
sales and not wander off into other parts of the park.

In response to other attacks, like the one of the two Asian girls off of
the Arbat in Moscow, a main tourist thoroughfare, we are giving
warnings to our students, and supplying them with as much
information as possible, about the skin-head groups and about
which students are considered to be greater targets.  Asian and
African-American students, unfortunately, should be particularly
aware of their surroundings at all times, and should certainly seek to
venture throughout their host city with native Russian friends or
acquaintances that know the city, or could at least buy some time in
a confrontation with any neo-nazi gangs or groups.

It is also advisable that if students choose to go to night-clubs or rock
concerts, where a contingent of skin-heads or the like might be
present, Asians and African-Americans should go with a group of
friends, and preferably with Russian peers in that group who are
likely to be more aware of the surroundings.

ACTR has not experienced any racially motivated violence against
its students and we hope that the warnings and orientations that we
give our students, along with our Resident Directors and field office
support, will continue this trend.  However, the Asian,
African-American, or simply dark-skinned student going to Russia
must be aware of the potential threats to safety based solely on race.
Also, the highly randon nature of the potential violence makes it
harder to predict and defend against.  We do not feel that either
Mosow or St. Petersburg are unsafe places to be for the
non-European student, and we will continue to encourage such
interested students to study in Russia, but it is a topic that must be
discussed frankly and openly at orientations, while in-country, and
even before the program starts with host-family coordinators, so that
students of color are accepted and feel comfortable in their given
host family.

I hope this is helpful.  We will continue to monitor the situation
closely and would be happy to share any information about safety
and other incidents with you.  Let me know what you hear and
please feel free to contact me with any further questions or concerns
that your student may have.

Sincerely,
Erik Blender
Program Officer
Russian and Eurasian Programs
ACTR
blender at actr.org


>>> "Judith E. Kalb" <JKALB at WELLESLEY.EDU> 05/08/98
03:46pm >>>
Dear colleagues,
I am wondering whether any of you might have some advice for a
student of
mine who is eager to go study in Russia next year.  She is hesitating
because she does not know whether as aJapanese-American she
would
be at particular risk of encountering bigotry and potential danger
while
there. She is eager to talk to other Asian-American students who
have
studied in Russia recently.  If any of you knows about this issue or
has
someone she might be able to consult, we'd be very grateful indeed!
Thank you,
Judith Kalb

Dr. Judith E. Kalb
Department of Russian
Wellesley College
Wellesley, MA 02181
jkalb at wellesley.edu


From malcolm at wolfenet.com  Tue May 12 04:45:47 1998
From: malcolm at wolfenet.com (Malcolm Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 21:45:47 -0700
Subject: Babel seeks multilingual correspondents and translators
Message-ID: <MON.11.MAY.1998.214547.0700.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Babel seeks multilingual correspondents and translators

Babel, the multilingual, multicultural online journal of arts and ideas
(http://www.towerofbabel.com) is now seeking multilingual
correspondents and translators to report on what's happening in
your part of the planet for the international stringer "Our Man In
Havana"
section (http://www.towerofbabel.com/sections/ourmaninhavana)

No matter where you are on the planet, no matter what languages you
speak, no matter what you do, we want to know what's going on around you
in as many tongues as you’re fluent in. So far we have stringers in
South Korea, Tokyo, Hong Kong, New York City, Raleigh, Louisiana, San
Francisco, Oakland, Hawaii, Tacoma, prison and church. And so far their
content is all in English, except for one which has been translated into
German and Tagalog as well.

Preferential consideration for any content submitted in more than just
English. Pseudonyms are fine if you are in a delicate situation where
discretion is of the utmost importance. Professional writing experience
is not necessary, and since we can't pay you yet that should encourage
fresh new undiscovered voices.

So far this is what the planet looks like to us:

Africa

Our Man In South Africa - Brett Davidson
Our Woman In Africa - Adeline Apena


Asia

Our Man In East Malaysia - Ben Engelvo
Our Man In Nagano - James Hoadley
Our Man In Tokyo - Bryan Harrell
- Our Woman In Singapore - Shelly Bryant
Our Man In South Korea - Ed Sloan
Our Man In Tokyo - Alan Hulse
Our Woman In Hong Kong - Lise Lingo


Australia

Our Man In Perth - Patrick
Our Man In Melbourne - Murray Lewis
Our Woman In Melbourne - Lesley Podesta


Middle East

Our Woman In Jerusalem - Rachel Bell (Sinai, Paris, Venice)
Our Man In Iran - Parsa Mirhaji


Europe

Our Man In London - Stephen Angell
Our Man In Geneva - Addison Holmes
Our Man In Luxembourg - Reid


India

Our Man In New Delhi - Sundeep Dougal
Our Man In Goa - Frederick Noronha
Our Man In Bombay - Prem Panicker


North America

Our Man In Ontario - Nicholas P. Snoek
Our Man In Hartford - Arthur L. Fern
Our Man In Lafayette - Phil Ward
Our Man In Guantanemo - Sonny Borja
- Our Man In Saint John - M.T. Smith
- Our Man In New York City - Moshe Silverstein
Our Woman In Portland - Susan Moore Denning
Our Woman In New York City - livia sian llewellyn
Our Man In Raleigh - Calvin Stacy Powers
Our Man In Louisiana - Larry Swindle
Our Man In Oakland - David Hahn
Our Man In San Francisco - David Hahn
Our Man From Hawaii - David Hahn
Our Man In Tacoma - Chance Stevens
Our Man In Prison - Lucky & Rich
Our Man In Church - Sterling McKennedy


South America

Our Woman In Brasilia - Norisa Penteado (Rita)
- Our Man In Sao Paulo - Bill Hinchberger

Antarctica



So far it looks like we'll have all the continents (and one
subcontinent) represented. Now all we need to do is find a stringer in
Antarctica  and we'll have the scaffolding all set for the entire
planet.

So if you have a keen eye for observation, a love of life and education,

and a knack for having a deft turn of phrase, please send an email to
malcolm at wolfenet.com.

Malcolm Lawrence
Editor-in-chief
Babel
http://www.towerofbabel.com


From rdelossa at fas.harvard.edu  Tue May 12 19:52:26 1998
From: rdelossa at fas.harvard.edu (Robert De Lossa)
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 14:52:26 -0500
Subject: Harvard Ukrainian Studies
Message-ID: <TUE.12.MAY.1998.145226.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Harvard Ukrainian Research Institute
Publications Announcement

Volume 18 (3/4) of Harvard Ukrainian Studies has just arrived from the printers and is now shipping. Note that volume 19 shipped earlier for technical/editorial reasons. Subscribers should receive copies shortly. Others who are interested in subscribing or purchasing this or other back issues should contact us OFF LIST at huri at fas.harvard.edu.

Contents of the volumes are as follows:


Volume XVIII, No. 3/4

O. V. Rusyna, "On the Kyivan Princely Tradition from the Thirteenth to the Fifteenth Centuries"
Andrei I. Pliguzov, "Canon Law as a Field for Ecclesiastical Debate: The Sixteenth-Century Kormchaia of Vassian Patrikeev"
David A. Frick, "'Foolish Rus'': On Polish Civilization, Ruthenian Self-Hatred, and Kasijan Sakovyc"
Oleksij Tolotchko, "Roman Mstyslavic's Constitutional Project of 1203: Authentic Document or Falsification?"
Iurii Shapoval, "'On Ukrainian Separatism': A GPU Circular of 1926"
Volodymyr Semystiaha, "The Case of Professor Maksym Bernats'kyi"
Hiroaki Kurumiya, "Ukraine and Russia in the 1930s"
Moshe Taube, "The Spiritual Circle in the Secret of Secrets and the Poem on the Soul"
Oleksandr P. Yurenko, "A Tribute to Mikhail Frenkin"
22 titles reviewed
Chronicle (notes on the International Association of Ukrainian Studies and its Congresses; The 18th International Congress of Byzantine Studies)
Books received


Volume XIX, Kamen' Krajeug"l'n": Rhetoric of the Medieval Slavic World. Essays Presented to Edward L. Keenan.

Daniel Waugh (Editor), "The Correspondence concerning the 'Correspondence'"
Samuel H. Baron, "Marx and Herberstein: Notes on a Possible Affinity"
James Cracraft, "Muscovite Ambivalence"
Chester Dunning, "Crisis, Conjuncture, and the Causes of the Time of Troubles"
Michael S. Flier, "Filling in the Blanks: The Church of the Intercession and the Architectonics of Medieval Muscovite Ritual"
David A. Frick, "Sailing to Byzantium: Greek Texts and the Establishment of Authority in Early Modern Muscovy"
Harvey Goldblatt, "History and Hagiography: Recent Studies on the Text and Textual Tradition of the Vita Constantini"
David M. Goldfrank, "Who Put the Snake on the Icon and the Tollbooths on the Snake? - A Problem of Last Judgment Iconography"
Borys Gudziak, "The Sixteenth-Century Muscovite Church and Patriarch Jeremiah II's Journey to Muscovy, 1588-1589: Some Comments concerning the Historiography and Sources"
Richard Hellie, "Great Wealth in Muscovy: The Case of V. V. Golitsyn and Prices of the 1600-1725 Period"
Daniel H. Kaiser, "Naming Cultures in Early Modern Russia"
Craig Kennedy, "Fathers, Sons, and Brothers: Ties of Metaphorical Kinship between the Muscovite Grand Princes and the Tatar Elite"
Valerie A. Kivelson, "Patrolling the Boundaries: The Uses of Witchcraft Accusations in Seventeenth-Century Muscovy"
Nancy Shields Kollmann, "Murder in the Hoover Archives"
Horace G. Lunt, "What the Rus' Primary Chronicle Tells Us about the Origin of the Slavs and of Slavic Writing"
Jakov S. Luria, "Poslanija Hennadija Novgorodskogo i vopros o «konce mira» v XV v."
Janet Martin, "Widows, Welfare, and the Pomest'e System in the Sixteenth Century"
Russell E. Martin, "Royal Weddings and Crimean Diplomacy: New Sources on Chancellery Practice during the Reign of Vasilii III"
Georg Michels, "Muscovite Elite Women and the Old Belief"
Hugh M. Olmsted, "Maksim Grek's 'David and Goliath' and the Skaryna Bible"
Donald Ostrowski, "Loving Silence and Avoiding Pleasant Conversations: The Political Views of Nil Sorskii"
Thomas C. Owen, "Novgorod and Muscovy as Models of Russian Economic Development"
Andrei I. Pliguzov, "Ot florentijskoj unii k avtokefalii russkoj cerkvi"
Marshall Poe, "The Zaporozhian Cossacks in Western Print to 1600"
Carolyn Johnston Pouncy, "'The Blessed Sil'vestr' and the Politics of Invention in Muscovy, 1545-1700"
Omeljan Pritsak, "The System of Government under Volodimer the Great, and His Foreign Policy"
Daniel B. Rowland, "Ivan the Terrible as a Carolingian Renaissance Prince"
Ihor Sevcenko, "To Call a Spade a Spade, or the Etymology of Rogalije"
Ruslan Skrynnikov, "Pervye typografii v Rossii"
Abby Smith, "The Brilliant Career of Prince Golitsyn"
Frank E. Sysyn, "'The Buyer and Seller of the Greek Faith': A Pasquinade in the Ruthenian Language against Adam Kysil"
Moshe Taube, "The 'Poem on the Soul' in the Laodicean Epistle and the Literature of the Judaizers"
Boris Uspensky, "Lyturgiceskij status carja v russkoj cerkvi: priobscenie sv. Tajnam (Istoriko-liturgiceskij etjud"
Istvan Vasary, "Russian and Tatar Genealogical Sources on the Origin of the Iusupov Family"
Daniel Clarke Waugh, "'Anatolii's Miscellany': Its Origins and Migration"
George G. Weickhardt, "Pre-Petrine Law and Western Law: The Influence of Roman and Canon Law"

____________________________________________________
Robert De Lossa
Director of Publications
Ukrainian Research Institute, Harvard University
1583 Massachusetts Ave., Cambridge, MA 02138
617-496-8768; fax. 617-495-8097
reply to: rdelossa at fas.harvard.edu
http://www.sabre.org/huri


From ewb2 at cornell.edu  Tue May 12 19:57:05 1998
From: ewb2 at cornell.edu (Wayles Browne)
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 15:57:05 -0400
Subject: CONF: DAVIS CENTER CONF. REPORT (fwd)
Message-ID: <TUE.12.MAY.1998.155705.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

This report, originally sent to the Russian History list
by a student of ours, might be of interest to
SEELANGerS who missed the celebration. Felicitations
to the Center!

Wayles Browne, Assoc. Prof., Department of Linguistics
Morrill Hall, Cornell University
Ithaca, New York 14853, U.S.A.
tel. 1-607-255-0712, home 1-607-273-3009
fax 1-607-255-2044 (write FOR W. BROWNE)
e-mail ewb2 at cornell.edu

>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 12:38:27 -0400
>From: Martin Ryle <mryle at richmond.edu>
>To: H-RUSSIA at h-net.msu.edu
>Subject: CONF: DAVIS CENTER CONF. REPORT
>
>Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 00:51:29 -0400
>From: John Wilson <jrw14 at cornell.edu>
>The Davis Center for Russian Studies Celebrates 50 Years
>
>A Report on the Conference
>
>By John Wilson, Cornell University
>
>Cambridge, Mass., May 2.  In the early years of Harvard's Russian
>Research Center, which coincided with a period of acrimonious
>anti-Communism in the United States, people routinely threw rocks
>through the center's windows until the sign identifying the building
>was removed.  But as the center celebrated its 50th anniversary today,
>the scholars who assembled to hear a series of panel discussions about
>Russian studies knew only too well that interest in things Russian,
>whether based on ardor or animosity, is flagging and has presented
>their field with an uncertain future.
>
>Reduced concern with Russian studies comes precisely at a time when the
>country and its one-time satellites figure in international business as
>never before, and when it is possible to undertake research there with
>fewer impediments of the kind imposed by the Soviet Government.
>Despite this paradox, large and established entities like the Harvard
>center and Columbia's Harriman Institute are at least financially
>secure.  The former was renamed the Kathryn W. and Shelby Cullom Davis
>Center for Russian Studies in 1996, after Kathryn Davis pledged $10
>million to its endowment.  Mrs. Davis has also recently announced a
>donation of $11 million to Wellesley College to enhance its Russian
>programs.
>
>Some two dozen presenters examined the current state of Russian studies
>in more than seven hours of discussion today, two blocks west of the
>Davis Center in an auditorium of the Science Center, a peculiarly
>constructed building which some say is supposed to be shaped like a
>camera.  The speakers were seated in front of a banner depicting the
>Davis Center's new logo, a Cyrillic "D" topped with a yellow onion
>dome.  In keeping with the interdisciplinary intentions of the center,
>the panels were not separated by field; each featured a range of
>specialists, including historians, political scientists, sociologists,
>economists, humanists, and even a journalist and a banker.
>
>Alex Inkeles (Hoover Institution), who was present at the founding of
>the Russian Research Center, acknowledged that for many, the feeling of
>excitement about Russian studies fostered by the Cold War is now "hard
>to muster."  But such an attitude is a "great mistake," he said, since
>the close of the superpower contest did not signify the end of the need
>to study Russia.  In the 1970s, some scholars believed that the
>shifting of Mr. Inkeles's research interests constituted a withdrawal
>from the Russian field, but Mr. Inkeles explained that back then he was
>spending less time studying the country's sociological makeup because
>"we began to feel we had the answers."  Two models -- totalitarianism
>and the planned economy -- which Mr. Inkeles conceded "were not perfect
>and missed some things," had provided social scientists with convenient
>ways of interpreting the Soviet Union.  Now, however, there exists no
>model of Russian society, described by Mr. Inkeles as "unpredictable
>and erratic," but this lacuna enables some rising scholar to propose a
>new design.  If the model were successful, the scholar "would be
>guaranteed a place in social history," Mr. Inkeles said.
>
>Life in contemporary Russia is very much in disarray, Stephen Holmes
>(Princeton) said, observing that there is hardly any meaningful
>relationship between the Government and the majority of the population.
>"The Government does not tyrannize the people like an elephant, but it
>pesters them like a mosquito," he said.  Many of those in possession of
>state power at all levels exist in "symbiosis" with criminal elements,
>thus creating an environment that is "anti-rule-of-law," Mr. Holmes
>said:  "Halfway-liberalism is where they want to be."  But Virginie
>Coulloudon (Harvard) recommended that contemporary developments be
>taken cautiously, since "one has to let events happen before theorizing
>about them."  The Russian Government is not utterly corrupt, she
>argued, saying that there is not one "monolithic elite," but different
>kinds of elite groups, which are "fluid categories."
>
>As Russia has changed, so too have those who pursue the study of it.
>Thane Gustafson (Georgetown), a political scientist, said that today's
>students are far less "concerned about bombs and bullets."  Instead,
>they are more likely to speak Russian and want to spend time in the
>former Soviet bloc in order to understand the region better.  It is
>time, Mr. Gustafson declared, for "Soviet studies [to] become a normal
>field."
>
>However, the political science community has been wrenched by a
>conflict between those who adhere to the "area studies" approach and
>those who classify themselves as practitioners of some theoretical
>concept, such as rational choice theory, which in Mr. Gustafson's
>words, is "now out of fashion."  Timothy Colton (Harvard), the Davis
>Center's director, said he expected "area studies" to lose the contest,
>owing to the "great, coercive pressure in comparative politics" to
>emphasize theory.  This is not a desirable outcome, in Mr. Colton's
>view, but it may be expedited by the inherent difficulty of drawing
>effective comparisons of countries primarily by means of the "area
>studies" method.  "The American Political Science Association is
>encouraging dual area competence, but we're not going to find enough
>people to do it right.  It's hard to compare Poland and Russia, for
>example," he said.
>
>The field of economics has experienced a similar reaction against "area
>studies."  Abram Bergson (Harvard) said that scholars identify
>themselves mostly by reference to broad, inclusive categories like
>micro- or macroeconomics rather than nationally-based ones like Russian
>economics, which is in a "very depressed state."  The Russian economist
>is even an "endangered species," Marshall Goldman (Wellesley & Harvard)
>said, despite the fact that it "seems to be a promising field" given
>Russia's newfound significance in world trade.  In reality, Russian
>economics is the "most troubled" economics subject at the present time,
>Mr. Goldman said, because few students studying the economics of the
>former Soviet empire possess much cultural knowledge about it.
>
>Several more speakers maintained that strong attention to culture is
>absolutely necessary in any discipline of the humanities or social
>sciences.  The historian of science Loren Graham (MIT & Harvard) said
>he steadfastly believes that a deep understanding of the context in
>which events occurred is required in his field, even though some
>scholars wonder why he feels a need to view the history of natural
>science in Russia from the perspective of "area studies."  Celeste
>Wallander (Harvard) cited the failure of nearly all "specialists" to
>predict the fall of the Berlin Wall as a consequence of the widespread
>lack of knowledge about the Soviet bloc's domestic affairs.  "It's a
>false dichotomy to choose between 'area studies' and methodology," she
>said.  Among those voicing similar opinions about the importance of
>cultural comprehension were Chrystia Freeland (Financial Times),
>Pauline Jones-Luong (Harvard), Craig Kennedy (Morgan Stanley), and John
>Schoeberlein-Engel (Harvard).
>
>In acquiring that special cultural training and then researching a
>society further, Ms. Jones-Luong, who studies Central Asian politics,
>advised against "parochialism" in scholarship.  One should not perceive
>one's particular geographical area of expertise as the "center" and
>everything else as the "periphery," she said, lamenting the marginal
>role Central Asianists and Caucasianists usually occupy in research
>centers which claim to be "Eurasian" or something more than just
>Russian in scope.
>
>Mr. Kennedy offered the audience what he called a "suggested syllabus"
>of readings all Russian specialists should study closely.  His personal
>canon consists of the following eight works:  Part One of The Origins
>of Rus' by Omeljan Pritsak (Harvard); "Muscovite Political Folkways" by
>Edward Keenan (Harvard); The Reign of Aleksei Mikhailovich by Gregory
>Kotoshikhin; Fathers and Sons by Ivan Turgenev; The Brothers Karamazov
>by Fyodor Dostoevsky; Petersburg by Andrey Bely; The Golden Calf by
>Ilya Ilf and Eugene Petrov; and The Master and Margarita by Mikhail
>Bulgakov.  A Rhodes Scholar who holds a Harvard Ph.D. in medieval
>Russian history, Mr. Kennedy said that works such as these provided him
>with the kind of "local knowledge" that enables him to be maximally
>effective in investment banking in Russia.
>
>Foreign language skills are an essential accompaniment to the cultural
>understanding many presenters referred to above.  But too few students
>and professionals associated with Russian studies seem to possess
>extensive language abilities.  By means of illustration, Richard Pipes
>(Harvard) recalled a faculty meeting at which someone ruefully observed
>that the thorough foreign language competence required to pursue study
>of the history of Central Asia barred most students from working in
>that field.  According to Mr. Pipes, Mr. Pritsak, the professor of
>Ukrainian history whose book was recommended by Mr. Kennedy, could not
>understand why this should be the case.  "But what languages?  You
>merely need English, French, German, Russian, Turkish, Persian, and
>Chinese," Mr. Pritsak said.  "It was the most natural thing in the
>world for him to work with so many languages," Mr. Pipes concluded.
>
>James Collins (State Department) provided information on the language
>abilities of the 1,500 employees he directs in his capacity as the U.S.
>Ambassador to Russia.  One-third of them are Russian nationals, but of
>the 1,000 American citizens, 60 to 70 percent know absolutely no
>Russian.  The remainder possess varying degrees of fluency, but Mr.
>Collins declined to speculate how many might be termed completely
>fluent.  As the number of Federal agencies working out of the American
>embassy in Moscow has increased, the need for employees with background
>in Russian studies and proficiency in the Russian language has become
>particularly keen, Mr. Collins said.
>
>Ms. Freeland, the journalist, said that competency in foreign languages
>is "more important than ever before" for reporters even though so many
>people around the globe speak English.  The Financial Times, however,
>intially did not look upon her qualifications in Russian studies
>positively, she said, because it has operated under the assumption that
>in foreign countries "[British] journalists are [to be] gentlemen with
>an outsider's view."  More foreign correspondents than previously,
>though, do have some knowledge of the areas from which they report, Ms.
>Freeland said.  She added that in Russia, foreign journalists' interest
>in their assignment to cover Russia has ebbed as many no longer look
>upon the country as a "good story."  But Ms. Freeland answered this
>complaint by saying:  "In 10 years, if Russia is covered in American
>newspapers like Germany is, that'll be fabulous."
>
>Historians on the discussion panels brought up a number of contentious
>issues about Russian historical scholarship.  Mr. Keenan, the medieval
>Russian historian, speaking on the centrality of elites in Russian
>history, indicated that the formation of groups that are bound by
>kinship and secure special access to resources might be unique to
>Russia due to "the weakness of political institutions, laws, and
>structures insuring personal security" there.  While scholars of
>earlier Russian history consistently seem to be observing the
>importance of elite networks, Mr. Keenan sensed some problems with
>approaches to modern Russian history, in which "there is the problem of
>wide access to sources that leads to a loss of perspective and a
>tendency to think we are like them."  On the subject of doing research,
>Mr. Keenan continued:  "In a sense, it was better when it was harder."
>He said that his reading of modern source material confirms that it
>must be used with care.  "It's all shot through with mendacity,
>cynicism, and obfuscation.  These are not White House tapes -- they're
>strange documents of a strange system," Mr. Keenan said.  Study of the
>role of social networks needs to be expanded, Mr. Keenan stated:  "We
>should study who was at whose New Year's party and who's buried next to
>who in the cemetery as much as the Communist Party archives."
>
>The historian Mr. Pipes referred briefly to his experience in Munich in
>1953 interviewing Muslim refugees from Central Asia.  "It persuaded me
>that the Soviet Union was a very artificial empire, not a peaceful
>association, and that the whole thing would fly apart," Mr. Pipes said.
> But at the time, the notion that people defy the process of
>assimilation and instead cleave to national traditions was taken as a
>pejorative concept, Mr. Pipes said.  Roman Szporluk (Harvard) followed
>up on the topic of the nationalities when he said that historians
>should not be judged based on whether they predicted the collapse of
>the Soviet Union, but that "it is reasonable to say that some
>scholarship is better if it's consistent with what happens."  In this
>manner, Mr. Szporluk praised Mr. Pipes's first book, The Formation of
>the Soviet Union.  Mr. Szporluk also argued that historians who viewed
>the Bolshevik Revolution as a reprise of the French Revolution were
>direly mistaken:  "One of the stupidest things was to think that 1917
>in Russia equalled 1789 in France.  It didn't.  [The events of] 1917
>programmatically liquidated Russia."
>
>Terry Martin (Harvard) warned against "the potential to divide Russian
>history negatively" as a narrative of the Russians versus the
>non-Russians.  "The growth of national studies may entrench the
>divide," Mr. Martin said, noting that books which seem to cover the
>history of peasants or workers usually mean by that only Russians.
>Studies of the minority nationalities tend to emphasize the features
>which set the nationalities apart, such as Islamic beliefs in the
>Central Asian populations, rather than larger, "general questions"
>which appear to be the exclusive province of historians of the
>Russians.  The Russian and Soviet empires are "best framed as
>multiethnic, not Ruso-centric," Mr. Martin said.  He concluded by
>saying that comparative studies of communist societies, which would
>take up subjects such as "how did individuals adapt to the abolition of
>the market," would serve "to mark a return to the original intentions
>of the Russian Research Center" in that they have an interdisciplinary
>emphasis.
>
>Professors of literature contributed their views on current directions
>in literary research.  William Mills Todd 3d (Harvard) identified six
>research topics he called "pressing" and said that they either were
>recently proposed to the Davis Center or are actively being worked on
>right now.  Mr. Todd's list consisted of:  the social construction of
>literary roles and the "highly centripetal orientation of Russian
>literature," by which Mr. Todd meant the peculiar relationship between
>writers and the state -- the state would persecute writers, but their
>works never died; types of literature previously given short shrift in
>the academy, such as popular and mass literature since the Middle Ages;
>private life in Russia, which Mr. Todd characterized as "terra
>incognita"; the relationship of science and technology with literature,
>something Mr. Todd said merited investigation because novels were often
>serialized alongside scientific articles, although he did not mention
>the level of these scientific works; identities and subcultures in
>Russian literature; and the role of the "aesthetic," which Mr. Todd
>said is not easy to define, but he did describe it as a "sense of
>playfulness and unpredictability; a subversiveness which has had
>minimal presence in the centripetal world" referred to above.  Also
>representing Harvard's Slavic Department were Svetlana Boym, who
>explicated her work on Russian private life and spoke of literature as
>a "second Government" in Russia, and Donald Fanger, who traced the
>development of teaching Russian literature at Harvard and said he
>thought that literary research during the Cold War was not immune from
>the political agendas of that period.
>


From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Tue May 12 20:55:16 1998
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 16:55:16 -0400
Subject: Inquiry re exchange programs (fwd)
Message-ID: <TUE.12.MAY.1998.165516.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Please direct any responses to this inquiry to the email address listed
below, *not* to me.  I'm just forwarding this from another group.

Devin P Browne
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:59:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Barker, Frank" <fbarker at ait.net>
Reply-To: civilsoc at SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list <civilsoc at SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU>
Subject: Inquiry re exchange programs

Greetings. I have some former colleagues in Russia, intelligent
professional women, for whom I would like to provide an exchange
experience in the US, perhaps for a summer, or even for an academic
year.  Most of them are elementary and high school teachers. What sort
of programs do you administer that might be applicable?

Thanks.

Sincerely,

Frank Barker
fbarker at ait.net


From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Tue May 12 20:56:25 1998
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 16:56:25 -0400
Subject: Job: Office Director in Moscow (fwd)
Message-ID: <TUE.12.MAY.1998.165625.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

FYI

Devin P Browne
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:49:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Center for Civil Society International <ccsi at u.washington.edu>
Reply-To: civilsoc at SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list <civilsoc at SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU>
Subject: Job: Office Director in Moscow

                       Office Director
           Institute for Sustainable Communities
                        Moscow Office


The Institute for Sustainable Communities (ISC) is a non-profit
organization whose mission is to promote environmental protection,
sustainable economies, and participatory decision-making at the community
level in Central Eastern Europe and Eurasia through training, technical
assistance and demonstration projects. With our headquarters in Montpelier
Vermont, and offices in Moscow, Sofia, and Skopje, ISC has an international
staff of approximately 45 people. ISC receives financial support from
private foundations and US government agencies.

ISC's core values include a commitment to making a meaningful contribution
to improving the quality of life; a desire to maximize our effectiveness
through creativity and high quality work; and compassion, honesty and
respect toward each other and our partners.

Position Description

The Office Director leads a staff team of 10 - 12 people responsible for
implementing a multi-million dollar environmental grants and information
program. The goals of the program are to reduce environmental pollution in
the interest of improving public health and to promote the sustainable
management of natural resources. The Office Director must effectively
supervise personnel and guide office operations to achieve program goals.
Accordingly, the Office Director has overall responsibility for office,
financial, and personnel management; grant and contract administration; and
oversees technical program planning, implementation and evaluation. The
Office Director must promote an atmosphere of trust and mutual respect both
within the office, and with project partners and funders, thereby
encouraging the development of creative initiatives which have as their
overriding goal the improvement of the environment in Russia.

Qualifications and Needed Attributes

   * Proven ability to plan and implement efficient and effective
     management systems.
   * Demonstrated management capability in all aspects of office
     operations, grant and contract administration, procurement, financial
     and personnel management.
   * Ability to develop and maintain collaborative, team relationships in a
     fast-paced work environment.
   * Diplomacy and cultural sensitivity.
   * Experience working with government and non-governmental organizations
     in Eurasia in a related area, such as environmental management,
     community development, environmental policy issues, NGO support,
     multi-stakeholder decision-making, or public outreach and
     participation.
   * International project experience.
   * Fluent in English and Russian, both spoken and written.
   * Relevant advanced degree.
   * Familiarity with US government international assistance program
     requirements.
   * Excellent written and oral communications skills, basic knowledge of
     computer word-processing and spreadsheet programs.

Interested applicants should send a resume, salary history and salary
requirements to "Office Director Search" no later than May 31 at e-mail:
isc at iscvt.org or fax: 802 229-2919

Deadline: May 31, 1998

For more information about Institute for Sustainable Communities, visit
ISC's Web site at: www.iscvt.org



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From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Tue May 12 20:56:40 1998
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 16:56:40 -0400
Subject: Job: Baikal Women's Leadership Program (fwd)
Message-ID: <TUE.12.MAY.1998.165640.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

FYI

Devin P Browne
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 13:33:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Project Harmony <pharmony at igc.apc.org>
Reply-To: civilsoc at SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list <civilsoc at SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU>
Subject: Job: Baikal Women's Leadership Program

Program Director - Baikal Women's Leadership Program

        Project Harmony, Inc., a not-for-profit 501-c-3 educational
exchange organization founded on the belief that active citizenship and
community involvement strengthen the international community, is seeking
qualified applicants for the position of Program Director of the  Project
Harmony/USIA funded Baikal Women's Leadership Program.

Program Description:

        The Program will provide women in the Irkutsk region and Republic
of Buryatia with the leadership skills and resources needed to access
government, to shape policy and to assume decision-making postiions in the
emerging democratic system.  The program will strengthen on-going women's
leadership activities in the Baikal area by meeting the needs of women's
groups served by the Angara Women's Union of Buryatia in Ulan-Ude.  More
than 400 women from the Baikal region will participate in the progrm
through Women's Resource and Training Centers, the activies of
Trainer-in-residence, the Siberian Women's Leadership Series and the Baikal
Women's Leasership Conference.  The program will begin in September 1998
and conclude in August 1999.

Job Description:

-Develop, oversee, implement, monitor and evaluate all program
components from Irktusk Office

-Maintain regular contact with other program staff, partner
organizations and USIA/USIS

-Coordinate expansion of Women's Resource and Training Centers,
including purchase and set-up of equipment and resource materials

-Coordinate visit of Trainer-In-Residence, including overseeing
travel  arrangements, scheduling events, and organizing interpretation

-Assist Trainer-In-Residence with screening and selection of
participants for Women's Leadership Institute and Women's
Mentoring Institute

- Work with Trainer and trained mentors to provide follow-on
support to organizations implementing projects and strategic plans

- Identify and invite Siberian professionals to facilitate
workshops in the Siberian Women's Leadership Series

- Oversee planning and execution of the Baikal Women's Leadership
Conference

- Travel to Ulan-Ude as needed to facilitate program activities

- Oversee all financial aspects of the Baikal Women's Leadership
Program

Qualifications

- BA or MA in related field, such international relations or social
science
- Strong Women's Studies background
- Minimum 2 year's experience with NIS based NGO
- Fluent Russian speaker
- Demonstrated successful and extended ( more than 6 months at a
time )  Russia life/work experience
- Exceptional organizational, interpersonal and cross-cultural skills
- Knowledge of Windows 95 and a high level of computer competency

Please send resume and cover letter to Barbara Miller or Jared M. Cadwell,
Project Harmony, 6 Irasville Common, Waitsfield, Vermont 05673; Fax: ( 802
) 496-4548; E-mail: pharmony at igc.apc.org No phone calls please.


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From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Tue May 12 20:58:12 1998
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 16:58:12 -0400
Subject: Job: Editor & Chief, Kyiv Post (fwd)
Message-ID: <TUE.12.MAY.1998.165812.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

FYI

Devin P Browne
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 15:18:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Center for Civil Society International <ccsi at u.washington.edu>
Reply-To: civilsoc at SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list <civilsoc at SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU>
Subject: Job: Editor & Chief, Kyiv Post

                    Editor & Chief, Kyiv Post

The Kyiv Post, Ukraine's English language newspaper, is looking for a
unique candidate to fill the position of Editor & Chief. Founded in 1995,
the Kyiv Post has become a leading publication in this emerging market.

Requirements: must have assignment editing, copy desk & layout experience,
along with the leadership skills needed to take over the news room. Russian
or Ukrainian fluency strongly preferred. Solid newsroom experience a must &
the ability to develop a topnotch journalistic team. Highly competitive
salary & additional benefits offered.

The Kyiv Post is a division of KP Publications, an American owned company,
producing five publications for the Ukrainian market.

Send cover letter, resume, clips to:

     FAX: (38-044) 296-9473
     E-mail: JSunden at thepost.kiev.ua

Published in the April 26, 1998 New York Times


From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Tue May 12 20:58:27 1998
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 16:58:27 -0400
Subject: English speaker needed for summer camp in Kazakstan (fwd)
Message-ID: <TUE.12.MAY.1998.165827.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

FYI

Devin P Browne
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 15:23:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Center for Civil Society International <ccsi at u.washington.edu>
Reply-To: civilsoc at SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list <civilsoc at SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU>
Subject: English speaker needed for summer camp in Kazakstan

       English speaker needed for summer camp in Kazakstan

The Business Center in Taldykorgan, Kazakstan is organizing a summer camp
for students who want to learn English. The camp seeks one native
English-speaker, although others are welcome to join. The one teacher will
receive free room and board while at the camp. For others who would like to
participate the fee would only be $150 for 10 days.

Propspective applicants should be able to talk about the culture and
traditions of their home countries and be able to organize some games. It
would be very good if they could bring curriculum materials with them.

If needed, the Business Center can fax an invitation for a visa.

Deadline for applications: May 20, 1998

Application

1. Full name
2. Date of birth
3. Birthplace
4. Your passport's number
5. Your passport is valid till:
6. Nationality
7. Sex
8. Family status
9. Education
10. Knowledge of Russian language (underline)
     a) don't know at all
     b) elementary
     c) middle
     d) fluent
11. Have you been in the countries of the NIS?
12. Have you taken part in similar projects?
13. Do you have experience working with students or young people?
14. Hobbies
15. Underline the opportune period for staying in Taldykorgan
     a) from July 12,1998 till July 21.1998
     b) from July 22 till July 31
     c) from August 1 till August 10
16. Do you have an insurance policy?
17. Please, write additional information which could be useful for the
organizers of the camp.

Send the completed application to Valery Lazurin at the Business Center:
laz at bc.almaty.kz



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From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Tue May 12 21:00:57 1998
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 17:00:57 -0400
Subject: jobs
Message-ID: <TUE.12.MAY.1998.170057.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Hi all!  Things are crazy-busy right now at work (like they aren't for
everyone??  sorry to be self-centered here).  The AATSEEL job index will
be updated soon, but I wanted to forward the recent jobs onto you all, so
you can take quick advantage of them or forward them onto to others out
there.

For you higher-ed people out there, hope you're enjoying the summer!  For
those of us still in the K-12 trenches, summer's not too far away!  Hang
in!

Devin / Divan

Devin P Browne
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu


From LanceEli3 at aol.com  Tue May 12 21:00:58 1998
From: LanceEli3 at aol.com (LanceEli3)
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 17:00:58 EDT
Subject: Russian Lang. Programs?
Message-ID: <TUE.12.MAY.1998.170058.EDT.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Hello,

Does anyone here know of some nice shareware programs (ie free) that help
teach Russian, particularly ones I can download off the internet?   I had
found one on Polish a long time ago and am hoping to find one for Russian.

lance


From sjaireth at brs.gov.au  Wed May 13 15:47:00 1998
From: sjaireth at brs.gov.au (Jaireth, Subhash)
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 08:47:00 PDT
Subject: Help
Message-ID: <WED.13.MAY.1998.084700.PDT.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Friends,


I have often come across the term Silver Age of Russian Phiolosophy and
culture, which I presume refers to a period spanning two decades
(1890-1910). Can some one provide some more precise information about the
period and its main protagonists: philosophers, writers, poets, artists
etc.


Thanks


Subhash


From esampson at cu.campus.mci.net  Wed May 13 03:54:28 1998
From: esampson at cu.campus.mci.net (Earl Sampson)
Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:54:28 -0700
Subject: Help
Message-ID: <TUE.12.MAY.1998.205428.0700.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

  For starters, see Renato Poggioli, _The Poets of Russia, 1890-1930_. In
spite of the title, he devotes some very worthwhile pages to the other arts
, and to philosophy. More acitve scholars on the list can no doubt suggest
some more recent sources.

Earl Sampson

Subhash Jaireth wrote:

>Friends,
>
>
>I have often come across the term Silver Age of Russian Phiolosophy and
>culture, which I presume refers to a period spanning two decades
>(1890-1910). Can some one provide some more precise information about the
>period and its main protagonists: philosophers, writers, poets, artists
>etc.
>
>
>Thanks
>
>
>Subhash


From Rolf.Fieguth at unifr.ch  Thu May 14 09:08:35 1998
From: Rolf.Fieguth at unifr.ch (Rolf Fieguth)
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:08:35 +0200
Subject: Russian Lang. Programs?
In-Reply-To: <a959529a.3558b88c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <THU.14.MAY.1998.110835.0200.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Hello back,

I have no answer to your question, but I am interested in the internet
address of the Polish language programme you mention.
Best wishes, Rolf Fieguth.

>Hello,
>
>Does anyone here know of some nice shareware programs (ie free) that help
>teach Russian, particularly ones I can download off the internet?   I had
>found one on Polish a long time ago and am hoping to find one for Russian.
>
>lance



   ___________________________________________________________________
  |Rolf FIEGUTH           |  Uni Fribourg/CH   |          e-mail:     |
  |Lettres/Lang. slaves   |--------------------|                      |
  |Portes de Fribourg     |Tel.41 26 300 79 12 |Rolf.Fieguth at unifr.ch |
  |CH-1763 Granges-Paccot |Fax.41 26 300 96 97 |                      |
_____________________________________________________
_____________________


From mla08 at cc.keele.ac.uk  Thu May 14 10:44:24 1998
From: mla08 at cc.keele.ac.uk (J.M. Andrew)
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:44:24 +0100
Subject: Mail Address
Message-ID: <THU.14.MAY.1998.114424.0100.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I would be grateful if anyone could let me have the email address of the
Slavic Library in Helsinki, & especially of Eila Tervako who works there.

Thanks


Joe Andrew


--
Professor Joe Andrew
Department of Modern Languages (Russian)
Keele University
Keele
Staffs ST5 5BG
UK

tel. 44 + (0)1782 583291
FAX  44 + (0)1782 584238


From a.jameson at dial.pipex.com  Thu May 14 11:19:40 1998
From: a.jameson at dial.pipex.com (Andrew Jameson)
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:19:40 +0100
Subject: Fw: Vor v zakone
Message-ID: <THU.14.MAY.1998.121940.0100.>

Dear Colleagues
Sorry I've been slow to reply, I have been away for a while.
Here is my original query, and then a summary of the replies.
----------
From: Andrew Jameson <a.jameson at dial.pipex.com>
To: Seelangs <seelangs at cunyvm.cuny.edu>
Subject: Vor v zakone
Date: 24 April 1998 10:01

Please can anyone tell me the best equivalent, in American
criminal slang, of the Russian expression "Vor v zakone"?
Or does this phenomenon not extend to America??
Many thanks, Andrew Jameson
ex-Russian Dept, Lancaster, UK

Bill Derbyshire  (wwd at u.washington.edu)
        I have come across this term before, and I believe that someone
suggested that it be translated as "thief in honor". Have you received
any better suggestion to your inquiry?

Tony Vanchu (tonyvan at realtime.com)
I've always heard it translated into American English as "made man."  That
usually refers to a man (don't know of this happening with women) who has
passed some test--usually murdering an enemy of the crime family--and is
now a "true" member of his respective mafia family.

Jim Davie (james.davie at portsmouth.ac.uk)
Lecturer in Russian Studies, University of Portsmouth, UK
As far as I am aware, "vor v zakone" often refers to a "godfather",
otherwise known in UK criminal argot as "the guvnor", "the boss", etc.
So, it often refers to a criminal big-shot of some kind, or to an
experienced criminal.
For a US variant, it might be worth consulting R. Chapman's
Dictionary of American Slang (London, Pan, 1987), or to Iu.P.
Dubiagin & E.A. Teplitskii's Kratkii anglo-russkii i russko-
angliiskii slovar' ugolovnogo zhargona (M., Terra, 1993). I have
personally come across the item in various places, which I think is
one of those argotic items which is not so secret as not to have hit
the streets.

Yuri I, Luryi  (yluryi at julian.uwo.ca)
Professor Emeritus, Law, UWO, Canada
>> Please can anyone tell me the best equivalent, in American criminal
>>slang, of >>the Russian expression "Vor v zakone"? Or does this
>>phenomenon not extend to >>America??
I am not sure about existnce of the EXACT equivalent, because social
conditions and traditions of American and Soviet/Russian criminal worlds
are not the same. Chieftain or Gang-leader are, in my opinion, the closest
ones. Well, at least within the scant English vocabulary of mine...

Bill Derbyshire again (wwd at u.washington.edu)
        Here are a couple of more possibilities:

        1.) "law-abiding thief"
        2.) (not a translation but an explanation):
            a thief who observes the thieves code of honor

James Gallant (cjgallant at ucdavis.edu)
Dept. of Russian, University of California, Davis
I too am looking for a good translation of 'vor v zakone' and am writing to
ask whether you have received any answers (I haven't seen any posted to
SEELANGS). If you do receive any suggestions, I'd appreciate your passing
them along or posting to the list. Thanks!


From K.R.Hauge at easteur-orient.uio.no  Thu May 14 12:11:29 1998
From: K.R.Hauge at easteur-orient.uio.no (Kjetil Ra Hauge)
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:11:29 +0200
Subject: Mail Address
In-Reply-To: <26519.199805141044@potter.cc.keele.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <THU.14.MAY.1998.141129.0200.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>I would be grateful if anyone could let me have the email address of the
>Slavic Library in Helsinki, & especially of Eila Tervako who works there.

Both can no doubt be found at http://www.helsinki.fi/.

--- Kjetil Ra Hauge, U. of Oslo.
--- Tel. +47/22 85 67 10, fax +47/22 85 41 40


From jvt8902 at is3.nyu.edu  Thu May 14 13:48:07 1998
From: jvt8902 at is3.nyu.edu (Julia Trubikhina)
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:48:07 -0500
Subject: Help
Message-ID: <THU.14.MAY.1998.084807.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Re: the inquiry on the Silver Age

In Russian: Vospominaniia o serebrianom veke. Ed. Vadim Kreid ( Moscow:
"Respublika," 1993).

Julia Trubikhina
New York University


From mzs at unlinfo.unl.edu  Thu May 14 16:36:25 1998
From: mzs at unlinfo.unl.edu (Mila Saskova-Pierce)
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:36:25 -0700
Subject: Russian Lang. Programs?
In-Reply-To: <v03007801b180801a9c25@[134.21.3.144]>
Message-ID: <THU.14.MAY.1998.093625.0700.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I too am intrested in the internet address for teh Polish program.

Mila Saskova-Pierce

>Hello back,
>
>I have no answer to your question, but I am interested in the internet
>address of the Polish language programme you mention.
>Best wishes, Rolf Fieguth.
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>Does anyone here know of some nice shareware programs (ie free) that help
>>teach Russian, particularly ones I can download off the internet?   I had
>>found one on Polish a long time ago and am hoping to find one for Russian.
>>
>>lance
>
>
>
>   ___________________________________________________________________
>  |Rolf FIEGUTH           |  Uni Fribourg/CH   |          e-mail:     |
>  |Lettres/Lang. slaves   |--------------------|                      |
>  |Portes de Fribourg     |Tel.41 26 300 79 12 |Rolf.Fieguth at unifr.ch |
>  |CH-1763 Granges-Paccot |Fax.41 26 300 96 97 |                      |
>_____________________________________________________
>_____________________


From jrader at m-w.com  Thu May 14 10:53:14 1998
From: jrader at m-w.com (Jim Rader)
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:53:14 +0000
Subject: Pronunciation of FYROM
Message-ID: <THU.14.MAY.1998.105314.0000.>

Does anyone on the list know if there is a conventional pronunciation
of this initialism in English?  Is it pronounced as an acronym,
something like "FI-rome" (FI rhyming with "die") or is it just
pronounced as a sequence of letters, i.e., "f-y-r-o-m."  I would be
grateful for any personal knowledge, or leads to personal knowledge,
from people familiar with the modern Macedonian political situation.

Jim Rader
Merriam-Webster, Inc.


From rondest+ at pitt.edu  Thu May 14 15:33:54 1998
From: rondest+ at pitt.edu (Karen A Rondestvedt)
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:33:54 -0400
Subject: Russian instructional software
Message-ID: <THU.14.MAY.1998.113354.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Some interactive Russian instruction programs are listed on the REESWeb
language and literature page under Russian
<http://www.pitt.edu/~cjp/Lang/langruss.html>. The AATSEEL Web Page
<http://clover.slavic.pitt.edu/~aatseel/> has a page "Computer programs
and WWW tutorials and exercises," which contains links that might be
useful for Russian and other languages.

I'm not an instructor and haven't used these programs, so please don't ask
me for evaluations or help with technical details. (If some links on the
REESWeb page don't work, though, please do tell me about that.)

Karen


-*-  Karen Rondestvedt                         G-20X Hillman Library
-*-  Slavic Bibliographer                      University of Pittsburgh
-*-  University of Pittsburgh Library System   Pittsburgh, PA 15260
-*-  rondest+ at pitt.edu                         tel: (412) 648-7791
-*-  Web: http://www.pitt.edu/~rondest/        fax: (412) 648-7798


From mitrege at mail.auburn.edu  Thu May 14 17:30:32 1998
From: mitrege at mail.auburn.edu (George Mitrevski)
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:30:32 -0500
Subject: Russian alphabet page
Message-ID: <THU.14.MAY.1998.123032.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Here is yet another Russian alphabet page, this one with embedded audio: click
on words to hear them pronounced. Unfortunately, it works only with Netscape
4.03, and if you are connected to the Internet through a modem it will take
forever for the page to load. Don't start clicking until all of the audio has
loaded. I've encountered a couple of problems on Windows computers, and I have
yet to figure out what causes them. If you are working on a Mac you need to
dedicate at least 15 mgabytes of memory to Netscape.

I don't intend to use this page for teaching the Russian alphabet, but rather
as part of a web based Russian mini-course for students who are interested in
taking Russian.

The long URL is:
 http://www.auburn.edu/academic/liberal_arts/foreign/russian/RWT-audio/alphabet/
 read-russian.html

You can also get there from this page:

http://www.auburn.edu/~mitrege/RWT/welcome.html

george.
--
***************************************************************
Dr. George Mitrevski            office: 334-844-6376
Foreign Languages                  fax: 334-844-6378
6030 Haley Center               e-mail: mitrege at mail.auburn.edu
Auburn University
Auburn, AL 36849-5204

List of my WWW pages: http://www.auburn.edu/~mitrege/index.html
***************************************************************


From LanceEli3 at aol.com  Sat May 16 23:29:11 1998
From: LanceEli3 at aol.com (LanceEli3)
Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 19:29:11 EDT
Subject: Polish Software
Message-ID: <SAT.16.MAY.1998.192911.EDT.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Hello.

That address to the Polish software is buried somewhere.  You will have
to be patient with me, as I dig it up.  I remember that it was at an
international EText station.

lance


From nkm at unix.mail.virginia.edu  Sun May 17 19:23:01 1998
From: nkm at unix.mail.virginia.edu (Natalie O. Kononenko)
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 15:23:01 -0400
Subject: folklore conference in Ukraine
Message-ID: <SUN.17.MAY.1998.152301.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Seelangers,
        I am reposting this announcement as a reminder.  I
posted ages ago and thought it would be a good idea to submit
again as the deadline for conference registration draws closer.

Natalie Kononenko
FOLKLORE CONFERENCE IN UKRAINE

The Kyiv based Center for the Study of Oral History and
Culture, the journal Rodovid, and the Cherkasy Ethnographic
Museum invite you to take part in an international conference
in Cherkasy, Ukraine as well as to conduct fieldwork (if you so
wish) in central Ukraine in August 1998.

The conference is "Problems in Oral History Research on East
European Villages of the 1920's- 1940's." It will take place
August 4-7, 1998 in the Cherkasy Ethnographic Museum.  An
optional additional activity is to conduct fieldwork in
villages under the guidance of local ethnographers of the
Center and the Museum.  Field trips begin August 8, the
duration of the fieldwork is up to the scholar and can continue
for as many days as you wish. Both the conference and the
fieldwork opportunity are geared to be of interest to
ethnographers of all stripes (anthropologists,
ethnomusicologists, sociologists) as well as to folklorists and
historians.

One of the most serious lacunae in Soviet era ethnography is
oral history: not only its collection but its interpretation as
well. What few oral history projects were undertaken were
seriously flawed by the ideological distortions of the time.
This was particularly true during the time period in question
when Stalinism made any but the blandest research project
impossible. From the 1950's to the 1980's little of lasting
interest was accomplished in this area, and only in the last
few years has competent research been undertaken. Thousands of
now elderly victims/participants still live in village Ukraine
who can speak to the specifics of this time period. Whatever
your area of specialization, if you have an interest in the
collection and interpretation of oral history, or if you have
experience in oral history/ethnography that touches on the
problems of this time period, we hope that you will consider
joining us in August. This includes those who have conducted
research in other parts of Eastern Europe and can offer a
comparative view to research undertaken in Ukraine. This is,
among other things, an opportunity for you to conduct
comparative research in village Ukraine.

Conference Schedule
The conference languages are Ukrainian and English. Papers
should be no more than twenty (20) minutes in length, with ten
minutes for questions and answers immediately after each
presentation. Interpreters will be available at the conference
and you may read your paper in English. In such a case we
request your English text in advance (by July 1) in order to
assist the interpreter. Such papers will be allowed up to
fifteen minutes extra (i.e., thirty-five minutes for your paper
with ten minutes for questions).

You should send a one page double spaced abstract of your paper
(either English or Ukrainian) to us along with your application
and registration payment. Please send to the USA Rodovid
address shown below. The abstracts will be published in the
conference program and will be available before the conference
begins. Selected papers will later be published in Ukrainian in
the journal Rodovid.

The general conference schedule follows below. A more detailed
schedule will be available by July 1.August 4
Tuesday         arrival in Kyiv; transportation by car to
Cherkasy free of charge
 August 5 Wednesday             plenary sessions, morning and
afternoon
August 6 Thursday               separate sessions, panels on:
a) changes in social structure and civil society of the time
        b) transformations in expressive culture
        c) repression of ethnographers and cultural activists
August 7 Friday         plenary session (morning) and excursion
(afternoon)
August 8 Saturday               transportation from Cherkasy to
Kyiv (free of charge)

or begin fieldwork project
If you wish to remain in Kyiv a longer time, we can assist you
in finding accommodations.

Accommodations in Cherkasy

Hotel accommodations cost from $45 to $90 per night (the former
for a double, the latter for a single room). Alternatively we
can place you in a private apartment for $20 a night (one or
two persons to an apartment: most apartments have only one
bed). One other option is to live with an English speaking
family for $20 a night per person. For no additional fee we
will pick you up at the Boryspil' airport in Kyiv and transport
you to Cherkasy, and later back to the airport.
Fieldwork Option
For those wishing to stay on and conduct fieldwork, this option
can begin the day after the conference - Saturday August 8 -
and last as many days as you wish. It costs $30 per day,
inclusive of all transportation, all meals, housing, and an
accompanying ethnographer from the Center or from the Museum.
if you require an interpreter the cost is an additional $10 per
day. The accompanying ethnographer will take you to
representative villages in Cherkasy Oblast'. Those intending to
conduct fieldwork should contact us with details as to your
research interests at least by July 1 (but the earlier the
better) in order for us to plan an itinerary for you. We have a
wide range of specialists who work in either or both the Center
and the Museum and we can accommodate most research requests.

Application: Registration Fee and Registration Form
Registration fee is $90 (USD only please). Please complete the
accompanying registration form and mail it with your one page
abstract and your registration fee of $90 to the USA address
immediately below. We need to receive your application no later
than July 10, 1998 in order to process it in due time. Please
make checks or money orders payable to "Rodovid," and send to:

Rodovid
18200 5. Mullen Road
Belton, MO 64012 USA

Other Fees and Payments
All other fees and charges for accommodations, etc. should be
paid in cash on-site in Ukraine (preferably either Ukrainian
hryvnia, US or Canadian dollars, or DM). We cannot accept in
Ukraine travelers checks, money orders, personal checks, or
credit cards.

Visa Requirements
Citizens of all states outside of Eastern Europe are required
to have a visa to enter Ukraine. We can furnish you with a
letter of invitation which you will need to acquire a visa.
Because visas can take up to two weeks to be processed, we must
have your request for the visa and your payment of the
registration fee no later than July 10, 1998. Upon payment we
will send you a letter of invitation. Please contact the
Ukrainian Embassy in your country for details on visa
applications.

If you have any questions, please contact either William Noll
of the Center or Lidia Lykhach of Rodovid in Kyiv at tel.Ifax
(+380-44) 295-4064 during normal office hours, or send a fax at
any time. Or you may contact us by E-mail:
pito at gonchar.freenet.kiev.ua

We look forward to hearing from you soon, and seeing you in
Kyiv and Cherkasy in August.


Sincerely, William Noll, Director, Center for the Study of Oral
History and Culture
Lidia Lykhach, Director, Rodovid
Mykola Kornienko, Research Director, Cherkasy Ethnographic
Museum

(The Registration Form is not included in this message.  Please
contact Natalie Kononenko at nkm at virginia.edu, or Rodovid at
the Belton, MO address.)


From fred_c at email.msn.com  Sun May 17 22:18:46 1998
From: fred_c at email.msn.com (Fred Choate)
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 18:18:46 EDT
Subject: Distance Instruction
Message-ID: <SUN.17.MAY.1998.181846.EDT.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Seelangers,

We are faced with the possibility of "distance instruction" next year, i.e.,
teaching second-year Russian to a group of students at another campus via a
live, two-way television hookup.  Do any of you have experience teaching
Russian in this manner? Any feelings, pro or contra?

Fred Choate
Lecturer, UC Davis


From ewb2 at cornell.edu  Mon May 18 00:22:14 1998
From: ewb2 at cornell.edu (Wayles Browne)
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 20:22:14 -0400
Subject: Russian economic term
In-Reply-To: <199805171923.PAA89984@node1.unix.Virginia.EDU>
Message-ID: <SUN.17.MAY.1998.202214.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Help...can someone explain the Russian economic term moral'nyj iznos?
Is there an established English translation?
Thank you
Wayles Browne, Cornell U.


From douglas at speakeasy.org  Mon May 18 00:38:40 1998
From: douglas at speakeasy.org (Douglas)
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 17:38:40 -0700
Subject: Russian economic term
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980517202027.18433B-100000@travelers.mail.cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <SUN.17.MAY.1998.173840.0700.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>>From what I recall of my days at Florida State (Hi, Launer!) - moral'nij
iznos is the Russian equivalent of "social costs."  But I could be very
very wrong.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: SEELangs: Slavic & E. European Languages & literatures list
> [mailto:SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of Wayles Browne
> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 1998 5:22 PM
> To: SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
> Subject: Russian economic term
>
>
> Help...can someone explain the Russian economic term moral'nyj iznos?
> Is there an established English translation?
> Thank you
> Wayles Browne, Cornell U.
>


From yamato at yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp  Mon May 18 00:37:24 1998
From: yamato at yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp (Yoshimasa Tsuji)
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 09:37:24 +0900
Subject: Russian economic term
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980517202027.18433B-100000@travelers.mail.cornell.edu> (message from Wayles Browne on Sun,
 17 May 1998 20:22:14 -0400)
Message-ID: <MON.18.MAY.1998.093724.0900.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Sorry that I forgot the exact term in English for "moral'nyj iznos".
It may be "moral devaluation/depreciation/ammortization" and it
obviously originates from English (hence "moral'nyj" in unusual
meaning).

FYI, it means "wearing out not in the sense that it has worn out
physically, but in the sense that has become unusable due to
technical progress, etc." PCs are a good example: they are
usable for at least five years (hence a twenty percent depreciation
per year), but they lose value by at least fifty percent a year
due to rapid changes.

Cheers,
Tsuji


From dbulgak at pop3.utoledo.edu  Mon May 18 05:28:34 1998
From: dbulgak at pop3.utoledo.edu (R.B.)
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 22:28:34 -0700
Subject: Russian economic term
Message-ID: <SUN.17.MAY.1998.222834.0700.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

'moral'niy iznos' is simply  "OUTDATED"

Why so many words?
As of of the Chekhov's heroes noted  " Eto oni svoyu ychenost' xotyat
pokazat'..."


From yamato at yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp  Mon May 18 03:10:19 1998
From: yamato at yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp (Yoshimasa Tsuji)
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 12:10:19 +0900
Subject: Russian economic term
In-Reply-To: <355FC702.116D@POP3.utoledo.edu> (dbulgak@pop3.utoledo.edu)
Message-ID: <MON.18.MAY.1998.121019.0900.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I don't think "moral'nyj iznos" is used in layman's context,
hence not exactly (ustarelyj)"dated/outdated". "write-off" is
close,but not quite.

  Incidentally, the Russian word "ehkonomist" usually means
an accountant, senior to "kasir", but junior to "bukhgal'ter".
  She is supposed to know how to calculate "iznos" of every item
in her organization. I regret to have little information about
how they actually do that in Russia. I assume the
extent of "iznos" used to be defined somewhere in ministerial
instructions. Please refer to somebody knowledgeable of Soviet methods of
enterprise accounting.
  Having seen so many pre-WW2 machine tools in Russian factories
recently, I find it hard to assume the term is properly understood
by the Russians. I actually read a couple of Soviet textbooks
on "depreciation" as a student thirty years ago, but I failed to
understand anything at all.


Cheers,
Tsuji


From dbulgak at pop3.utoledo.edu  Mon May 18 06:21:19 1998
From: dbulgak at pop3.utoledo.edu (R.B.)
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 23:21:19 -0700
Subject: Russian economic term
Message-ID: <SUN.17.MAY.1998.232119.0700.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Even more words...meli Emelya, tvoya nedelya....


From ggerhart at wolfenet.com  Mon May 18 04:05:36 1998
From: ggerhart at wolfenet.com (Genevra Gerhart)
Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 21:05:36 -0700
Subject: Russian economic term
Message-ID: <SUN.17.MAY.1998.210536.0700.>

RB's problem is he don't know English: no way is moral'nyy iznos
equivalent to "outdated"
On the other hand, how many comprehend: Meli Emelya, tvoya nedelya?
gg
--
Genevra Gerhart
http://www.wolfenet.com/~ggerhart/

2134 E. Interlaken  Bl.                 Tel. 206/329-0053
Seattle, WA  98112                      ggerhart at wolfenet.com


From brifkin at facstaff.wisc.edu  Mon May 18 14:57:17 1998
From: brifkin at facstaff.wisc.edu (Benjamin Rifkin)
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 09:57:17 -0500
Subject: Moscow Women's Museum
Message-ID: <MON.18.MAY.1998.095717.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Colleagues:

A student of mine contributed a sculpture to the Moscow Women's Museum back
in the 70s and is interested in finding out if the museum still exists.
She'd like to visit the museum and see if her sculpture is on display.  I
don't have any references to it in any of the works I have.  If you know if
this museum currently exists and any information about how to find it or
contact people working there, I'd appreciate it if you'd let me know
off-list.

Thanks.

With best regards,

Ben Rifkin


/////////////////////////////

Benjamin Rifkin
Associate Professor of Russian,
Coordinator of Russian-Language Instruction & Teacher Training
Department of Slavic Languages & Literatures
University of Wisconsin-Madison
1432 Van Hise Hall
1220 Linden Drive
Madison, WI  53706

e-mail:  brifkin at facstaff.wisc.edu
telephone:  608/262-1623, 608/262-3498
fax:  608/265-2814

\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\


From G.Andrusz at mdx.ac.uk  Mon May 18 16:26:00 1998
From: G.Andrusz at mdx.ac.uk (GREGORY ANDRUSZ)
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 16:26:00 +0000
Subject: Russian economic term
Message-ID: <MON.18.MAY.1998.162600.0000.>

If it refers to housing then I tend to translate it as 'dilapidated'.
It could even be 'run down'


Gregory Andrusz

> Date sent:      Sun, 17 May 1998 20:22:14 -0400
> From:           Wayles Browne <ewb2 at cornell.edu>
> Subject:        Russian economic term
> To:             SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
> Send reply to:  "SEELangs: Slavic & E. European Languages & literatures list"
>                 <SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

> Help...can someone explain the Russian economic term moral'nyj iznos?
> Is there an established English translation?
> Thank you
> Wayles Browne, Cornell U.
>


From alexush at paonline.com  Mon May 18 15:45:37 1998
From: alexush at paonline.com (Alex Ushakov)
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:45:37 -0400
Subject: Russian economic term
Message-ID: <MON.18.MAY.1998.114537.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Here are some examples from The Businessman's Russian-English Dictionary.
In 2 Volumes. Minsk, 1994:

iznos s. wear and tear, wear, tear, tear and wear, depreciation; (moral'nyj
-- ustarevanije) obsolescence, ageing. nastupil polnyj moral'nyj ili /i/
fizicheskij iznos osnovnykh fondov -- assets are worn out;

moralnyj iznos (oborudovanija) -- moral /functional/ depreciation,
obsolescence

HTH

Alex Ushakov



----------
> From: GREGORY ANDRUSZ <G.Andrusz at mdx.ac.uk>
> To: SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
> Subject: Re: Russian economic term
> Date: Monday, May 18, 1998 12:26 PM
>
> If it refers to housing then I tend to translate it as 'dilapidated'.
> It could even be 'run down'
>
>
> Gregory Andrusz
>
> > Date sent:      Sun, 17 May 1998 20:22:14 -0400
> > From:           Wayles Browne <ewb2 at cornell.edu>
> > Subject:        Russian economic term
> > To:             SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
> > Send reply to:  "SEELangs: Slavic & E. European Languages & literatures
list"
> >                 <SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
>
> > Help...can someone explain the Russian economic term moral'nyj iznos?
> > Is there an established English translation?
> > Thank you
> > Wayles Browne, Cornell U.
> >


From beyer at jaguar.middlebury.edu  Mon May 18 17:17:33 1998
From: beyer at jaguar.middlebury.edu (Beyer, Tom)
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 13:17:33 -0400
Subject: Distance Instruction
Message-ID: <MON.18.MAY.1998.131733.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

last year (1996-97) I taught basic Russian to thirty students at six
remote sites over Vermont interactive television. I did over 150 live
broadcasts and would be happy to chat with you about the issues
involved-you probably want to contact me directly and we can set up a
time to chat.

Tom Beyer
Middlebury College

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fred Choate [SMTP:fred_c at email.msn.com]
> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 1998 4:19 PM
> To:   SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
> Subject:      Distance Instruction
>
> Dear Seelangers,
>
> We are faced with the possibility of "distance instruction" next year,
> i.e.,
> teaching second-year Russian to a group of students at another campus
> via a
> live, two-way television hookup.  Do any of you have experience
> teaching
> Russian in this manner? Any feelings, pro or contra?
>
> Fred Choate
> Lecturer, UC Davis


From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Mon May 18 17:22:58 1998
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 13:22:58 -0400
Subject: Distance Instruction
Message-ID: <MON.18.MAY.1998.132258.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

The high school where I teach used to offer 3 languages over satellite.
They varied in their quality, the interactiveness, and their ability to
hold the interest of the students.  Personally, I think distance learning
is a bit of a drag, and not anywhere near as stimulating as having a good
teacher in the classroom.

However, it's better than not having a program at all, I guess.

Devin / Divan

Devin P Browne
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu


From Jerry_Ervin at compuserve.com  Mon May 18 18:01:07 1998
From: Jerry_Ervin at compuserve.com (Jerry Ervin)
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 14:01:07 -0400
Subject: Distance Instruction
Message-ID: <MON.18.MAY.1998.140107.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Fred,

You might want to contact Tom Beyer (Middlebury) who has at least some
experience in this, specifically with Russian.

The area of foreign language via distance education is not new.  Some
places have done a LOT of it.  Another suggestion is to contact Elizabeth
Hoffman, Nebraska Dept of Education, Lincoln NE:  she's been in charge of
coordinating such a program for a number of years (Japanese, mostly, though
her own background is as a German teacher).  She's also the current
president of the American Council on the Teaching of Foreign Languages, by
the way.

Good luck,

Jerry

*  *  *  *  *
Gerard L. (Jerry) Ervin
Executive Director, American Ass'n of Teachers of 
Slavic & E European Languages (AATSEEL)
1933 N. Fountain Park Dr., Tucson, AZ 85715 USA
Phone/fax:  520/885-2663
Email:  76703.2063 at compuserve.com
AATSEEL Home Page: <http://clover.slavic.pitt.edu/~aatseel/>
*  *  *  *  *


From esampson at cu.campus.mci.net  Mon May 18 22:06:40 1998
From: esampson at cu.campus.mci.net (Earl Sampson)
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 15:06:40 -0700
Subject: Russian economic term
Message-ID: <MON.18.MAY.1998.150640.0700.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>RB's problem is he don't know English: no way is moral'nyy iznos
>equivalent to "outdated"
>On the other hand, how many comprehend: Meli Emelya, tvoya nedelya?
>gg
>--
>Genevra Gerhart
>http://www.wolfenet.com/~ggerhart/

RB's other problem is he don't know netiquette, ordinary etiquette, or just
plain poriadochnost'. In the time I have been a subscriber to the list, I
have observed Tsuji to be perhaps the kindest, politest, most decent and
helpful citizen of Seelangia. No way did he deserve RB's gratuitously
contemptuous comments.

Earl Sampson
esampson at cu.campus.mci.net


From dbulgak at pop3.utoledo.edu  Tue May 19 00:28:27 1998
From: dbulgak at pop3.utoledo.edu (R.B.)
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 17:28:27 -0700
Subject: Russian economic term
Message-ID: <MON.18.MAY.1998.172827.0700.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Judging by your grammar, your command of English is not very good
either. I am a Russian born prof. techn. translator and I usually think
twice be4 I say something.
But I appreciated your remark on 'Meli Emelya'


From nyuka at Claritech.com  Mon May 18 21:33:57 1998
From: nyuka at Claritech.com (Kamneva, Natalia)
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 17:33:57 -0400
Subject: Russian economic term
Message-ID: <MON.18.MAY.1998.173357.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Tsuji,
Accept my apology from all Russians! I  feel ashamed because I am
also Russian.

Dear compatriots,
we have to try not to bring our "sovkovye" habits and traditions
to argue impolite and rude way. " Meli Emelya, tvoya nedelya" is
absolutely inappropriate in our Seelangia. Let's make our discussions
only the  civil and loyal way.

Natalia Kamneva

        -----Original Message-----
        From:   Earl Sampson [SMTP:esampson at cu.campus.mci.net]
        Sent:   Monday, May 18, 1998 6:07 PM
        To:     SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
        Subject:        Re: Russian economic term

        >RB's problem is he don't know English: no way is moral'nyy
iznos
        >equivalent to "outdated"
        >On the other hand, how many comprehend: Meli Emelya, tvoya
nedelya?
        >gg
        >--
        >Genevra Gerhart
        >http://www.wolfenet.com/~ggerhart/

        RB's other problem is he don't know netiquette, ordinary
etiquette, or just
        plain poriadochnost'. In the time I have been a subscriber to
the list, I
        have observed Tsuji to be perhaps the kindest, politest, most
decent and
        helpful citizen of Seelangia. No way did he deserve RB's
gratuitously
        contemptuous comments.

        Earl Sampson
        esampson at cu.campus.mci.net


From douglas at speakeasy.org  Mon May 18 21:36:18 1998
From: douglas at speakeasy.org (God Gave Rock and Roll To Us)
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 14:36:18 -0700
Subject: Russian economic term
In-Reply-To: <3560D22B.5430@POP3.utoledo.edu>
Message-ID: <MON.18.MAY.1998.143618.0700.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

On Mon, 18 May 1998, R.B. wrote:

> Judging by your grammar, your command of English is not very good
> either. I am a Russian born prof. techn. translator and I usually think
> twice be4 I say something.
> But I appreciated your remark on 'Meli Emelya'

Could we please *not* get into a contest over whose grammar is better, who
has the right to criticize, etc.?  Here:

R.B. - you seemed to come down a bit hard on Tsuji; I don't know if that
was your intention, or if it just seemed to be harsh because of the lack
of tone and tact that using e-mail necessarily entails.

Since you say that you normally think before you speak, I assume that it
was a case of misinterpretation on everyone's part.   But in the future, I
do ask you to consider perhaps thrice before you write, instead of only
twice.
--
"As everyone knows, dog is man's best friend -
        unless you're dyslexic, in which case you're stuck with God."


From napooka at aloha.net  Mon May 18 21:58:59 1998
From: napooka at aloha.net (IreneThompson)
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 11:58:59 -1000
Subject: Russian economic term
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.96.980518143340.727A-100000@eve.speakeasy.org>
Message-ID: <MON.18.MAY.1998.115859.1000.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear colleagues:
I suggest we all reconsider the purpose of our listserv before we post our
next message. Let's address issues of professional interest to all of us
and use our private e-mail to exchange barbs.
Irene Thompson

**********************************************
Irene and Richard Thompson
P.O. Box 3572
Princeville, HI  96722
tel/fax: (808) 826-9510
e-mail: napooka at aloha.net
**********************************************


From Jerry_Ervin at compuserve.com  Mon May 18 22:39:43 1998
From: Jerry_Ervin at compuserve.com (Jerry Ervin)
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 18:39:43 -0400
Subject: A L Barto
Message-ID: <MON.18.MAY.1998.183943.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Can anyone tell me whether the children's author, Agnia L'vovna Barto is
still alive (and if not, when she died)?

Also, can anyone tell me whether the Moskvich is still made?

Thanks,

Jerry


From yamato at yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp  Tue May 19 00:29:54 1998
From: yamato at yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp (Yoshimasa Tsuji)
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 09:29:54 +0900
Subject: Russian economic term
In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980518115859.0068bc38@aloha.net> (message from
 IreneThompson on Mon, 18 May 1998 11:58:59 -1000)
Message-ID: <TUE.19.MAY.1998.092954.0900.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Hello,
Apart from my being enlightened that the term "moral depreciation" has
somewhat degenerated into common use in the Russian environment,
I would like to remind those new comers to civilized world (it`s
only ten years since they joined us) that we, in the course of
discussion or debate, do not think it important at all WHOSE assertion
prevails, i.e. WHO wins the debate, but are interested in what exactly
is the FACT or the right LOGIC.
   Civilized people slight others by being more polite, not the
other way round.

Cheers,
Tsuji


From ewb2 at cornell.edu  Tue May 19 03:38:05 1998
From: ewb2 at cornell.edu (Wayles Browne)
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 23:38:05 -0400
Subject: In memoriam Bozhidar Vidoeski
Message-ID: <MON.18.MAY.1998.233805.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Posted at Victor Friedman's request.
B.Vidoeski was an outstanding dialectologist, and, with the late
Blazhe Koneski, one of the founders of linguistics in Macedonia.
Wayles Browne

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 14:53:31 -0500
From: victor Friedman <vfriedm at midway.uchicago.edu>
To: alexande at snowy.qal.berkeley.edu, gfielder at u.arizona.edu,
    E Wayles Browne III <ewb2 at cornell.edu>, ce.kramer at utoronto.ca,
    jhacking at kuhub.cc.ukans.edu, mje at darwin.clas.virginia.edu,
    eda at acpub.duke.edu, BELYAVSK at DEPAUW.EDU, bdarden at midway.uchicago.edu,
    hia5 at midway.uchicago.edu
Subject: Re: blagodarnost

It is with  deep regret that I must inform you of the death of Acad.
Bozhidar Vidoeski, in Skopje, on Saturday 16 May 1998.

All those wishing to express their sympathy and/or appreciation of what
Bozho meant to us can send e-mail to me, which I will forward in some
appropriate way.

If you would simply like your name to be added to a collective message of
condolence and appreciation that I plan to compose, you may so indicate in
an email.

Apparently there will be a memorial session of the Macedonian Academy of
Arts and Sciences held the Wedensday (20 May), so I ask that all those who
can do so act with the utmosat alacrity.  Please keep in mind, also that
Skopje time is 7 hours ahead of Chicago.

Since I do not have access to SEELANGS, I would appreciate it if one of you
who does would post this message.


Victor A. Friedman
Chair, Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures
1130 East 59th Street
Chicago, IL  60637
773-702-8033
FAX:  773-702-7030
home:  5538 S. Blackstone Ave.
       Chicago, IL  60637
773-955-1376


From a.jameson at dial.pipex.com  Tue May 19 10:40:21 1998
From: a.jameson at dial.pipex.com (Andrew Jameson)
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 11:40:21 +0100
Subject: A L Barto
Message-ID: <TUE.19.MAY.1998.114021.0100.>

The Bol'shoi Entsiklopedicheskii Slovar', Vol 1 (of 2)
1991 p110 gives Agniya Barto's death as 1981.
Andrew Jameson
Lancaster, UK

----------
From: Jerry Ervin <Jerry_Ervin at compuserve.com>
To: SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
Subject: A L Barto
Date: 18 May 1998 23:39

Can anyone tell me whether the children's author, Agnia L'vovna Barto is
still alive (and if not, when she died)?

Also, can anyone tell me whether the Moskvich is still made?

Thanks,

Jerry
----------


From ipustino at syr.edu  Tue May 19 14:05:32 1998
From: ipustino at syr.edu (Irena Ustinova)
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 10:05:32 -0400
Subject: A L Barto
Message-ID: <TUE.19.MAY.1998.100532.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

At 06:39 PM 5/18/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Can anyone tell me whether the children's author, Agnia L'vovna Barto is
>still alive (and if not, when she died)?

She died, but I can't tell you  the date- it was 3-4 years ago.
>
>Also, can anyone tell me whether the Moskvich is still made?

They had plams to merge Moskvich with Reno, but nothing good happens.

Irena Ustinova
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jerry
>
>


From Jerry_Ervin at compuserve.com  Tue May 19 15:34:49 1998
From: Jerry_Ervin at compuserve.com (Jerry Ervin)
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 11:34:49 -0400
Subject: A L Barto
Message-ID: <TUE.19.MAY.1998.113449.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Thanks for the response, Irena.  Turns out that she died in 1981.

Jerry


From ct445 at freenet.toronto.on.ca  Tue May 19 19:23:36 1998
From: ct445 at freenet.toronto.on.ca (Jon-Ross Ennest)
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:23:36 -0400
Subject: About the Moslem Question in the Russian Imperial Policy
Message-ID: <TUE.19.MAY.1998.152336.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I am trying to locate a journal called the "Stanbulskiy Novostiy",
printed in Konstantinople, before 1918.

There is an article dealing with the history of governamental policies in
Imperial Russia in an issue released either in 1910, or in 1917. This
article focuses on the sociological investigations of the beaurocratic
history of the Russian Imperialist Government's policies toward Moslems.

An address, for either an archive or a web-site at which I might find
this article will prove very useful to my research.


                                            Appreciably, J.R. Ennest


From lat5 at columbia.edu  Tue May 19 21:10:09 1998
From: lat5 at columbia.edu (Ludmilla A Trigos)
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 17:10:09 -0400
Subject: naum korzhavin
In-Reply-To: <Pine.3.89.9805191522.B17645-0100000@queen>
Message-ID: <TUE.19.MAY.1998.171009.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Greetings!

Does anyone know the date of Naum Korzhavin's poem "Pamiati Gertsena?"
Please reply to me off-list.

Thank you.

Ludmilla A. Trigos
Columbia University
Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures


From richmond at tiger.cc.oxy.edu  Tue May 19 21:36:40 1998
From: richmond at tiger.cc.oxy.edu (Prof. Walter Comins-Richmond)
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 17:36:40 EDT
Subject: Distance Instruction
In-Reply-To: <003901bd8124$39055b20$4bec2399@dellxps200>
Message-ID: <TUE.19.MAY.1998.173640.EDT.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I saw a demonstration of distance instruction at an AATSEEL meeting at
UCLA last year. The students uniformly responded negatively to it. The
people giving the demonstration assured us this was not meant to be used
to eliminate jobs, but at UC Davis this is precisely the case.

>>From a more general standpoint, by
supplying distance learning, a student is discouraged from attending a
college like mine, that does offer Russian. We have one student right now
who chose our school because it was one of only two in the country that
offered Russian and another subject the student wanted to combine into a
major. If Russian was offered everywhere via distance learning, we would
not have had the leverage we had.

It should be obvious to anyone who has taught a language that distance
learning is woefully inferior to real contact. It should be equally
obvious to anyone who has paid attention to the corporate model being
applied to universities recently that distance learning is a form of
downsizing. As a Southern Californian I am aware of the fight you are
facing. I am not sure the rest of the country is aware of the all out
assault upon Russian and foreign languages in general taking place in the
UC system, but I oppose it.

**********************************
Walter Comins-Richmond
Assistant Professor
Department of Languages and Literatures
Occidental College
Los Angeles, CA 90041

On Sun, 17 May 1998, Fred Choate wrote:

> Dear Seelangers,
>
> We are faced with the possibility of "distance instruction" next year, i.e.,
> teaching second-year Russian to a group of students at another campus via a
> live, two-way television hookup.  Do any of you have experience teaching
> Russian in this manner? Any feelings, pro or contra?
>
> Fred Choate
> Lecturer, UC Davis
>


From SIBELAN at mainpgu.karelia.ru  Wed May 20 12:27:58 1998
From: SIBELAN at mainpgu.karelia.ru (Sibelan Forrester)
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:27:58 MSK
Subject: A L Barto
Message-ID: <WED.20.MAY.1998.122758.MSK.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

And about the Moskvich:  my informant here tells me that they are
still being produced.  What's more, they will son start putting out
two new models, one named something like "Prince Vladimir;" the
prepublicity claims that they will be super-super.
(And her family has a Moskvich -- though I gather not one of the
latest models.)

na zdorov'e --

Sibelan Forrester


From ggerhart at wolfenet.com  Wed May 20 17:41:43 1998
From: ggerhart at wolfenet.com (Genevra Gerhart)
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 10:41:43 -0700
Subject: Russian economic term
Message-ID: <WED.20.MAY.1998.104143.0700.>

First, the question:
Help...can someone explain the Russian economic term moral'nyj iznos?
Is there an established English translation?
Then, the answer:
'moral'niy iznos' is simply  "OUTDATED"  (from RB)
And:
Even more words...meli Emelya, tvoya nedelya....
Then, my response:
 no way is moral'nyy iznos equivalent to "outdated"

I apologize to the list and especially RB for being wrong, wrong, wrong
about moral'nyy iznos.  The cause was ignorance and sloth plus the devil
who put them together.  I forgot the maxim that "the meaning of a word
is its use," and that word roots are particularly vague pointers at
meaning. (Mind you, American feminists made the same 2 mistakes.)
    From all this we can learn that the response of "...meli Emelya,
tvoya nedelya" is not terribly kind.  In this set expression, Emelya is
dismissed as a stupid boob whose blatherings are eminently ignorable (a
waste of time) to the more knowledgeable community.
    melit': MELh: meal, mill, molar, mallet, maul.
I return to my grindings. gg

--
Genevra Gerhart
http://www.wolfenet.com/~ggerhart/

2134 E. Interlaken  Bl.                 Tel. 206/329-0053
Seattle, WA  98112                      ggerhart at wolfenet.com


From feldstei at indiana.edu  Wed May 20 18:43:28 1998
From: feldstei at indiana.edu (feldstei)
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:43:28 -0500
Subject: Russian economic term
In-Reply-To: <199805201747.MAA04006@indiana.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.20.MAY.1998.134328.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

On Wed, 20 May 1998, Genevra Gerhart wrote:
>     melit': MELh: meal, mill, molar, mallet, maul.
> I return to my grindings. gg


The infinitive in question is molot'.  See the 17-vol. Russian
dictionary, vol. 6, p. 1202.  The "Meli, Emelja..." expression is
listed under molot'.


R. Feldstein


From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Thu May 21 02:25:37 1998
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 22:25:37 -0400
Subject: FL tech workshop in central PA
Message-ID: <WED.20.MAY.1998.222537.0400.DPBROWNE@PITT.EDU>

For anyone interested......

Devin P Browne
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu

---------- Forwarded message ----------

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first exit --Harrisburg Pike. Turn left on Harrisburg Pike and proceed 1 1/2
miles to the college.





























Use the Web Tomorrow...PSMLA Workshop Registration Form
Name______________________________________________
Address____________________________________________
___________________________________________________
Home Phone:________________Work Phone:___________________
E-mail: ____________________________________________
School District: _______________Language (s)___________________
Check made out to PSMLA for $45.00,  must be included.  Send to:
Dr.  Cindy Yetter-Vassot,   Department of French and Italian,   Franklin &
Marshall College, Box 3003.   Lancaster,  PA  17604-3003      ATTN.  PSMLA
workshop






At 08:35 AM 5/20/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Should I post the workshop info to the AATG listserve? It's a very
>active list - and I know that some (many?) WPA AATG members are on the
>listserve but aren't members of PSMLA. If you could send me a e-version
>of the info, I'll post it right away.
>
>Anne Green
>amgreen at andrew.cmu.edu
>
>
Thekla Fall,  Ed.D.
fall at pps.pgh.pa.us
New PSMLA Web page   http://isnfs026.connelley-admin.pps.pgh.pa.us/psmla


From kel1 at columbia.edu  Thu May 21 21:26:47 1998
From: kel1 at columbia.edu (Kevin Eric Laney)
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 17:26:47 -0400
Subject: IEWS EastWest Leaders' Forum,
 "Financing Eurasian Energy for the 21't Century". (fwd)
Message-ID: <THU.21.MAY.1998.172647.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Subject: IEWS EastWest Leaders' Forum, "Financing Eurasian Energy for the 21't
 Century".

Dear Colleague,

We are extremely pleased to invite you to a major New York conference
focused on Eurasian energy development. On June 10 the Institute for
EastWest Studies will host the second EastWest Leaders' Forum, "Financing
Eurasian Energy for the 21't Century".

Vagit Alekperov, Chief Executive Officer and President of LUKoil, will be
the keynote luncheon speaker. In addition to Mr. Alekperov's luncheon
address, a powerful group of industry, financial and political leaders
will address the challenges of developing Eurasia's immense oil and gas
resources.

Please visit our Web site for details relating to this exciting
conference:

http://207.19.85.35/EWLF/EWLF.htm

PLEASE forward this message to all your colleagues!

We would greatly appreciate your help to distribute this announcement to
fellow colleagues for whom this conference maybe of interest.

Thank you.


From thebaron at interaccess.com  Thu May 21 23:39:16 1998
From: thebaron at interaccess.com (baron chivrin)
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 18:39:16 -0500
Subject: AIWA MX1
Message-ID: <THU.21.MAY.1998.183916.0500.>

dear seelangers--

i'm considering purchasing an aiwa mx1 video recorder which plays videos
in any format (pal, secam, ntsc). here's my question: will it work
properly with my cable tv hookup? the vendor has a very enlightened "all
sales final, no returns" policy, so i want to be sure before i ante up.

please reply to me off list.

spasibo zaranee.

baron chivrin
thebaron at interaccess.com


From yamato at yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp  Fri May 22 00:22:52 1998
From: yamato at yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp (Yoshimasa Tsuji)
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 09:22:52 +0900
Subject: AIWA MX1
In-Reply-To: <3564BB24.F9E11DE0@interaccess.com> (message from baron chivrin
 on Thu, 21 May 1998 18:39:16 -0500)
Message-ID: <FRI.22.MAY.1998.092252.0900.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I don't know what AIWA1 video recorder is, but here's one important
point you must make sure: there are two kinds of video recorders that
"play any format" -- with or without a format converter. If yours doesn't
have a format converter, it will read a PAL medium and output PAL
signals to your cathode ray tube. Make sure it is equipped with
a converter to NTSC format.
   In my case, I purchased a converter separately because the sum total
of a multi-video recorder/replayer plus a converter was substantially
smaller than a multi-video replayer with a converter built-in.
   There are also cathode ray tubes that understands "any format", but
you don't need this.

Cheers,
Tsuji


From a.jameson at dial.pipex.com  Fri May 22 16:55:23 1998
From: a.jameson at dial.pipex.com (Andrew Jameson)
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 17:55:23 +0100
Subject: Item for inclusion ICEES Newsletter
Message-ID: <FRI.22.MAY.1998.175523.0100.>

FORTHCOMING CONFERENCE

16-21 August 1999

Russian Language, Literature and Culture at the Turn
of the Century: IX International Congress of Teachers of
Russian Language and Literature

Bratislava, Slovak Republic

Organised by the Slovak branch of MAPRYAL (International
Association of Teachers of Russian Language and Literature)

Sections:
1. Linguistics
2. Literature
3. Methodology
4. Culture

There will be round tables on:
The new generation of textbooks
Translations of Pushkin.
19th August is declared Pushkin Day and there will be
a special event to celebrate this.

Abstracts were to be presented by 1st May 1998, but will
also be considered if sent up to June/July 1998.
"Lectures" up to 2 pages double-spaced;
"Communications" 1 page only double-spaced;
You may also offer a "Poster" session.

Address/Telephone/Fax:

Orgkomitet IX Kongressa MAPRYAL
Katedra rusistiky (ARS)
Fakulta humanitnych vied
Univerzita Mateja Bela
Tajovskeho 51
974 01 Banska Bystrica
Slovenska republika

Tel: 00421 887 33137
Fax: 00421 847 382 148


From brifkin at facstaff.wisc.edu  Fri May 22 22:44:53 1998
From: brifkin at facstaff.wisc.edu (Benjamin Rifkin)
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 17:44:53 -0500
Subject: call for papers
Message-ID: <FRI.22.MAY.1998.174453.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Colleagues:

I share with you the following call for papers for the 1999 Annual Volume of
the American Association of University Supervisors and Coordinators (AAUSC).
Please note that I am NOT one of the editors of the volume.

Please direct any queries about the volume to the editors (Lee and Valdman,
both at Indiana U.), whose e-mail addresses appear in the quoted message.

Ben Rifkin

> CALL FOR PAPERS
>
>I would like to bring to your attention the 1999 volume which James Lee
>and I are co-editing.  As the text below indicates, it focuses on the
>relationship of form to meaning in language instruction.
>
>We would welcome, particularly, articles which relate to the training of
>prospective FL teachers and the supervision and coordination of
>language instruction at the university level.
>
>If you are interested in participating in the volume, as we very much hope
>you are, please direct a one-page summary to James Lee
>(leejames at indiana.edu) with a copy to me (valdman at indiana.edu).
>
>---------
>
>PROSPECTUS
>
>I. Introduction
>
>        Current language instruction is characterized by an antinomy
>between communicative goals and a linear grammatical syllabus.  The
>belief persists among language teachers that effective communication
>requires the control of a set of grammatical features.  Furthermore, these
>features are to be taught according to a rigorous procedure involving
>explanation, mechanical drill, meaningful drill, and simulated
>communicative use.  In the final analysis, it is generally the presence of
>this latter phase that buttresses claims about the communicative nature
>of language instruction.
>As Carl Blyth has underscored, this view of the role of grammar rests on
>a combination of behaviorism, structural linguistics, and cognitive-code
>theory (1997:51).  Its also reduces the scope of grammar to isolated
>sentences rather than discourse and fails to link structural
>features--phonological and grammatical--to the functions performed by
>language, namely linking form with meaning, speech acts, and the
>marking of social identity.
>
>        In reaction to reductionist applications of research on untutored or
>naturalistic second language acquisition wherein the objective of formal
>language instruction was the negotiation of meaning in highly
>contextualized situations, there has emerged a return to emphasis on
>formal treatment of grammar bearing the label "focus on form".
>
>        VanPatten (1988) examined the evidence used to argue for or
>against a focus on form in language teaching, or more specifically,
>grammar teaching.  He ends his essay calling for a redirection of the
>debate.  He proposed that the debate on a focus of form in grammar
>teaching should not center on whether or not to teach grammar but
>rather on how to teach grammar.  In developing his ideas, he proposed
>what he termed "processing instruction", based in psycholinguistic
>research (Lee & VanPatten 1995): VanPatten 1996).  Processing
>instruction relies on structured input activities that direct language
>learners to process the input for meaning but, in so doing, they must also
>process it for form. Clearly this work has helped frame a contemporary
>discussion of form in language learning and teaching.
>
>
>II.  Volume Structure
>
>        A.  What is Form?  Area-Specific Perspectives
>
>        We envision beginning the volume with papers that define, describe,
>and account for the term "form" from different research domains (areas).
> The overall goal of this part of the volume is for teachers to understand
>the term "form" in its broadest application.  For example, we project that
>we will include works on grammatical form; form in pragmatics; textual
>form from both comprehension and production perspectives;
>sociolinguistic perspective on form, and so on.  The call for papers
>would encourage contributions in these and other areas on linguistic
>inquiry.
>
>        B.  Pedagogical Perspectives
>
>        We envision the second part of the volume expanding on the first.
>Once we establish what "form" is, we can extrapolate pedagogical
>principles to guide language teachers' thinking on this issue.  We would
>especially encourage works that demonstrate interconnections between
>form and meaning or provide clear rationale for focusing on form without
>focusing on meaning.
>%       In what ways are "form" and meaning connected?
>%       Do all "forms" carry meaning?
>%       Can "form" be taught in all domains?
>%       How can one teach sociolinguistically-appropriate "forms"?
>%       When should a focus on form come into the writing process?
>%       How can instruction maximize the acquisition of "forms" through
>           reading?

////////////////////////////////////////

Benjamin Rifkin

Associate Professor of Slavic Languages
Coordinator of Russian-Language Instruction

Department of Slavic Languages & Literatures
University of Wisconsin-Madison
1432 Van Hise Hall, 1220 Linden Dr.
Madison, WI  53706  USA

voice:  608/262-1623
fax:  608/265-2814
e-mail:  brifkin at facstaff.wisc.edu

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From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Sat May 23 23:50:36 1998
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 19:50:36 -0400
Subject: Volunteers needed for archeological dig in Ukraine (fwd)
Message-ID: <SAT.23.MAY.1998.195036.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 20:01:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Center for Civil Society International <ccsi at u.washington.edu>
Reply-To: civilsoc at SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list <civilsoc at SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU>
Subject: Volunteers needed for archeological dig in Ukraine

    Volunteers needed for archeological dig in Ukraine

The Kamianets-Podilskyi Foundation is seeking 12 student volunteers
to participate in an archeological dig in Ukraine in summer 1998.
This dig will be in the city of Kamianets-Podilskyi and will run
from June 29 to August 14.  Once one of the most important late
Medieval and Renaissance citadels in Eastern Europe, Kamianets-
Podilskyi is today a city of 100,000 people located in western
Ukraine.

Volunteers will help find the remains of Medieval and Renaissance
structures, discover artifacts, and make maps of  the dig sites.
This year
s excavations will include a large merchant
s house that
overlooked the city
s central square.  Previous excavations of this
site yielded such artifacts as glass vessels, soup bowls from
Holland, and tea cups from China. Archeologists hope to continue
research into the city
s central square this summer.  Future
excavations will determine whether the square was founded by the
Romans in the third century A.D, as many claim.

Applicants of all backgrounds, age 18 and older are invited.
Applicants need not be fluent in Ukrainian, but must be in good
health and able to do physical labor in a hot, sunny climate.  A
sense of humor and a spirit of adventure are a must.  No previous
archeological experience is needed, but volunteers with such
experience will be readily accepted.

The Kamianets-Podilskyi Foundation is a non-profit organization
devoted to the study and preservation of that city
s cultural
heritage. The foundation is sponsoring these excavations in
cooperation with St. John Fisher College in New York, the University
of Alberta, the Lviv Institute of Social Sciences, the Lviv
Institute of Restoration, and the Kamianets-Podilskyi Historical-
Architectural Preserve.  The foundation has been leading
archeological expeditions for seven years.

Contact Information:

The Kamianets-Podilskyi Foundation
2033 Westfall Road
Rochester NY 14618
Phone: (716) 442-1597
E-Mail: amandzy at aol.com
Web Site: http://www.frontiernet.net/~amandzy
Contact: Adrian Mandzy,

Alternate Contact:
Shannon L. Nachajko
Phone: (716) 742-3907
E-Mail: shannon_nachajko at rmsc.org



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From elenapol at ukim.edu.mk  Sun May 24 19:19:55 1998
From: elenapol at ukim.edu.mk (Paul Milan Foster, Jr.)
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 12:19:55 -0700
Subject: FYROM - Macedonia
Message-ID: <SUN.24.MAY.1998.121955.0700.>

Concerning the correct pronunciation of FYROM:

Sorry for the delay but after a quick survey of how FYROM is pronounced,
here in Skopje the overwhelming consesus is that FYROM is pronounced:

 1. Macedonia
 2. The Republic of Macedonia.
 3. Makedonija


se najubavo

Paul Foster


From natalia.pylypiuk at ualberta.ca  Sun May 24 16:55:43 1998
From: natalia.pylypiuk at ualberta.ca (Natalia Pylypiuk)
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 09:55:43 -0700
Subject: conference at the Univeristy of Alberta
Message-ID: <SUN.24.MAY.1998.095543.0700.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

The conference MAKING CONTACT: NATIVES, STRANGERS, AND BARBARIANS,
which includes topics of interest to Slavists,
will be held at the University of Alberta on October 1-3, 1998.

Attached please find a copy of a tentative schedule for the conference.
We will try to make as few changes to the schedule as
possible.  Starting and finishing times for the conference (that is,
Thursday afternoon to Saturday afternoon) will remain constant.

We should have registration information and forms out to you by the end of
June.  Updated copies of the schedule and other information about the
conference, as well as registration forms, should be on the Medieval and
Early Modern Institute's web site soon.  The web site address is
http://www.ualberta.ca/~englishd/MEMI.htm.

From 21 May to 15 June please address any questions about the conference to
Jonathan Hart, co-director of MEMI (jonathan.hart at ualberta.ca).

Posted by Natalia Pylypiuk, MEMI (member of the executive).

************************************************************************

MAKING CONTACT: NATIVES, STRANGERS, AND BARBARIANS

CONFERENCE SCHEDULE
(** indicate Slavic topics)

THURSDAY, 1st. October, 1998

2:30-5:30   REGISTRATION


4:00-5:30   CONCURRENT SESSIONS

1.  David Gay (English, Alberta), " The Border of Painting, Poetry and Film
in Ken McMullen's  R: The Dutchman"
     Richard Young (Modern Languages, Alberta), "Reading the Past in the
Present: Cabeza de  Vaca in History and Film"
     Garrett Epp (English, Alberta), "Jarman's Edward II"

2.  Rachel Warburton (English, Alberta), "Syphilitic Authority"
     Jim Ellis (English, Calgary), "Politics of Erotics in Male Friendship
Texts"
     Stephen Guy-Bray (English, British Columbia), "Sir Launfal as Male
Impersonator"

3.  Paul De Pasquale (English, Alberta), "The Myth of the Golden Age
Reconsidered:  Predicaments in Representing the New World for the English
Travel Writer, 1584-1610"
     Lesley Cormack (History and Classics, Alberta), "The Theatre of the
Empire of Great Britain:  Geography and the Creation of Britain"
     Rick Lee (English, Rutgers),  "'I could not but fall in love with
myselfe': Stylizations of  Selfhood in Pierre Esprit Radisson's Voyages"


7:30-8:30   PUBLIC LECTURE, Provincial Museum of Alberta
                  Olive Dickason (History, Ottawa),
                  "Iron Men, True Men, and the Art of Treaty-Making"


8:30-10:00   RECEPTION and TOUR
                     Syncrude Gallery of Native History,
                     Provincial Museum of Alberta


FRIDAY, 2nd. October, 1998

8:00-9:00   REGISTRATION

9:00-10:30 a.m.   CONCURRENT SESSIONS

1.  Mary Baine Campbell (English, Brandeis), "Fashion and Anthropology: The
Case  of Maculophobia"
     Leanne Groeneveld (English, Alberta), "Agency and the Playing of the
Sacrament:  The Miracle in The Croxton Play of the Sacrament as Masochistic
Fantasy"
     Klaus Neuman (Australian National University), "European Cannibals"

2.  Carolyn Ives (English, Alberta) and David Parkinson (English,
Saskatchewan), "The Fountain  and Very Being of Truth: James VI and the
Development of Scottish National Identity"
     James Knapp (English, Rochester), "Fantasies of the Primitive in John
Derrickes's Image of  Ireland"
     Stephen King (English, Alberta), "'A Prentise in the Divine Art of
Poesie': James VI's  Artistic and Political Coming of Age"

3.  Andrew Taylor (English, Saskatchewan), "The Harley Manual as a Site of
Trade"
     Sian Echard (English, British Columbia), "Bracketing the Text: Readers'
Interventions in Gower's Confession Amantis"
     Iain Higgins (English, British Columbia), "Wondering Where the Borders
Are within and  across Manuscripts and Versions: The Case of  The Book of
John Mandeville"

10:30-11:00    COFFEE

11:00-12:30    CONCURRENT SESSIONS

1.  Haijo Westra (Greek, Latin, and Ancient History, Calgary), "Status and
Function of  Medieval Latin vis à vis the Vernacular"
    ** Gunter Schaarschmidt (Slavonic Studies, Victoria), "Contact and
Influence in a Co-Territorial Situation: Sorbian and German"
     John Considine (English, Alberta), "Language Contact and Language
Extinction in Early Modern Europe"

2.  Linda Woodbridge (English, Pennsylvania State), "Vagrancy"
     Pamela Stanton (History and Classics, Alberta), "'High Politics' and
'Family Politics' in Sixteenth-Century Southwest England"
     Ron Cooley (English, Saskatchewan), "'Outlandish Gums' and 'Home Bred
Things': George Herberts Country Parson and the Domestic Exotic"
     Sylvia Brown (English, Alberta), "The Lost Sons of Adam: Letters from
the Corporation for  Promoting the Gospel amongst the Heathen in New
England, 1657"

3.  Nina Taunton (English, Brunel), "A Camp 'Well Planted': Chapman's Caesar
and Pompey: Unstable Borders and Constructions of Space in 1590s Discourses
of War"
    **Maryna Kravets (Near and Middle Eastern Civilizations, Toronto),
"Aliens' Experience in Early Modern Muscovy: Muslim War Captives"
    Martina Mittag (Siegen, Germany), "Territories of Race and Gender in
Early Modern Discourse"
   ** Natalia Pylypiuk (Modern Languages, Alberta), "Vocabularies of Identity:
Catholics, Orthodox and Muslims in Early Modern Ukraine."

12:30-2:00   LUNCH (not included in conference registration)

2:00-3:30   CONCURRENT SESSIONS

1.  Robert Upchurch (English, CUNY-Graduate Centre), "Boundaries of Time and
Text on the Hereford and Ebstorf Mappaemundi"
     Scott Westrem (English, CUNY-Lehman College and the Graduate Centre),
"Africa Unbounded on an Unstudied European Mappamundi (c.1450) and in
Related Cartography"
    Andrew Gow (History and Classics, Alberta), "Fra Mauro, Authority and
Empiricism:  Medieval and Early Modern World Views in a Fifteenth-Century
Mappamundi"

2.  Mary Polito (English, York), "Elizabeth Barton and the Performance and
Performativity  of Protest"
     Mathew Martin (English, Alberta), "Roast Pig, Alligator Piss, and
Vapours: The Seductive Grotesquerie in Bartholomew Fair"
     Gregory M. Semenza (English, Pennsylvania State), "Sans Sans, I Pray
You: Renaissance Comedy and English Language Planning"

3.  Ted Binnema (History and Classics, Alberta), "The Clash of Cultures?:
Ethnic as Deus ex Machina of Native North American History"
      Nicole Petrin (independent scholar, Toronto) "Dagobert, Samo, and the
Fur Trade"
      **Roman Kovalev (History, Minnesota) and Thomas Noonan (History,
Minnesota), "The Structure of the Fur Trade in Northern Russia in the
Pre-Modern Era"

3:30-4:00   COFFEE

4:00-5:30   PLENARY ADDRESS
                   Kathleen Biddick (History, Notre-Dame),
                   "Becoming Collection: The Spatial Afterlife of Medieval
Universal Histories"

5:30-7:00  RECEPTION and BOOK DISPLAY
                  Bruce Peel Special Collections Library, University of Alberta


SATURDAY, 3rd. October, 1998

9:00-10:30   CONCURRENT SESSIONS

1.  Ayako Nakai (Comparative Culture and Literature, Aoyoma-Gakuin Women's
Junior College, Japan), "European Missionaries and the Japanese"
     Sonja Arntzen (East Asian Studies, Alberta), "China and Japan"
     Eileen Chia-Ching Fung (English, UC-Santa Barbara), "Construction of
Oriental Nativism and Occidental Tourism in Marco Polo's Travels"

2.  Jacqueline Jenkins (English, Calgary), "Popular Devotion and Medieval
Laywomen Readers"
     Kate Currey (English, West of England), "Joan of Arc and the Jesuits"
     Rosalind Kerr (Drama, Alberta), "Borderline Crossings: Dissecting
Isabella Andreini's Queer Bodies"

3.  Silvia Shannon (History, St. Anselm, MA), "From Trade to Conversion:
Patterns of French Interaction with the Tupinamba in Brazil, 1555-1615"
     Peter Cook (History, McGill), "The Evolution of Intercultural Diplomacy
in the St. Lawrence Valley, 1603-1667"
     John Pollack (English, Pennsylvania), "1632. Year of Textual Discovery
in New France"

10:30-11:00   COFFEE

11:00-12:30   PLENARY ADDRESS
         ** David Frick (Slavic Languages and Literatures,
UC-Berkeley),  "Vilnius, 1640: Peoples, Confessions, and Languages
in Contact"

12:30-2:00   LUNCH (not included in conference registration)

2:00-3:30   CONCURRENT SESSIONS

1.  Aaron Hughes (Religious Studies, Indiana), "Self as Other: Construction
of Jewish Identity in  Al-Andalus"
     Jill Caskey (Fine Art, Toronto), "Images of Jews in the Kingdom of
Sicily ca. 1300"
     Steven Kruger (English, Alberta), "When the Stranger is Your Parent:
Medieval Jews and Christians in Dialogue"

2.  J. H. Barrett (Anthropology, Toronto), "Culture Contact and Colonisation
in Viking Scotland: An Archeological Contribution to the Recognition of
Changing Identities"
      ** Florin Curta (History, Western Michigan), "Slav-Roman Contacts During
the Sixth Century"
      David Townsend (Centre for Medieval Studies, Toronto), "Nation and the
Gaze of the Other  in Eighth Century Northumbria"

3.  Joseph Grossi (English, Ohio State), "Marvelous Ethnography: The
Alliterative Morte Arthure and England's Advance on Italy"
      Ana Pairet (French, Rutgers), "Généalogie, identité et transgression:
des usages de la merveille"
      Deanne Williams (English, Stanford), "Babylon Revisited:
Nebuchadnezzar in Middle English Literature"

3:30-4:00   COFFEE

4:00-5:30    ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION and CLOSING COMMENTS

7:30   BANQUET (cost not included in conference registration)


****************************************************

Natalia Pylypiuk, Book Review Editor
Canadian Slavonic Papers,
Department of Modern Languages & Cultural Studies:
Germanic, Romance and Slavic
200 Arts Building,  University of Alberta
Edmonton, AB T6G 2E6
Canada

****************************************************

office phone & voice mail:     (403)  492 - 3498
departmental fax:                      (403)  492 - 9106

e-mail address:                       natalia.pylypiuk at ualberta.ca

www.ualberta.ca/~uklanlit/Homepage.html

****************************************************


From gfowler at indiana.edu  Mon May 25 16:13:15 1998
From: gfowler at indiana.edu (George Fowler)
Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 10:13:15 -0600
Subject: Program & Info: Workshop on Comparative Slavic Morphosyntax
Message-ID: <MON.25.MAY.1998.101315.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

WORKSHOP on COMPARATIVE SLAVIC MORPHOSYNTAX

PROGRAM and PRACTICAL INFORMATION

McCormick's Creek State Park
Spenser, Indiana
5-7 June 1998

Indiana University and the U.S. Dept. of Education are pleased to sponsor
this workshop. Earlier this winter and spring five "position papers" were
published at our www site

<http://www.indiana.edu/~slavconf/linguistics/index.html>

The position papers aimed to summarize the state of knowledge on five
crucial topics within the general rubric of Comparative Slavic
Morphosyntax, and responses were solicited addressing these papers. The
Workshop brings together the authors of the position papers and the
respondants in an intimate, retreat-like setting. Non-respondants are
welcome to attend; see below for details. The position papers and responses
will be published by Slavica Publishers.

FRIDAY, 5 JUNE 1998

SESSION 1: Wh-Phrases and Wh-Movement in Slavic

1:00 pm   Zeljko Boskovic, U. of Connecticut (Position Paper)
1:30      Discussion

Responses:

1:45      Norvin Richards, U. of Massachusetts
          Focusing on Serbo-Croatian and Not on Bulgarian
2:10      Jeong-Seok Kim, University of Connecticut
          Superiority Effects in Multiple WH-fronting
2:35      Michael Yadroff, Indiana University
          Wh-movement and Superiority in Russian
2:50      Sandra Stjepanovic, University of Connecticut
          Movement of Wh-Phrases in Serbo-Croatian Matrix Clauses
3:15      General Discussion
3:45      Arthur Stepanov, University of Connecticut
          Scope-Marking Interrogatives in Slavic
4:10      Sue Brown, Harvard University
          Attract-All and Its Relevance for Negative Concord
4:35      Piotr Banski, Indiana University and Warsaw University
          Wh-Movement in Polish
5:00      Loren Billings, Carnegie-Mellon University
          Catherine Rudin, Wayne State College
          Animacy and Focus in Bulgarian Wh-Questions
5:25      General Discussion

6:15      PICNIC DINNER (see below)

SATURDAY, 6 JUNE 1998:

SESSION 2: Agreement in Slavic

8:30 am   Greville G. Corbett, U. of Sussex (Position Paper)
9:00      Discussion
Responses:

9:15      Wayles Browne, Cornell University
          Agreement with Infinitive Subjects in Slavic
9:40      Jens Norgard-Sorensen, University of Copenhagen
          Animacy as an Agreement Category
10:05     Stephen Wechsler, University of Texas
          Larisa Zlatic, University of Texas
          Sentential and Discourse Agreement in Serbo-Croatian
10:30     Natasha Borovikova, DePauw University and Indiana University
          First-Conjunct Agreement with Unaccusative Verbs in Russian
10:55     Kim Gareiss, University of Chicago
          Linguistic Ideology and the Loss of Slavic Agreement: The Case
          of the Macedonian Relativizer
11:20     Discussion

12:00     LUNCH

SESSION 3: Voice and Diathesis in Slavic

1:15      Leonard H. Babby, Princeton University
1:45      Discussion

Responses:

2:00      James Lavine, Princeton University
          Stephanie Harves, Princeton University
          Loren Billings, Carnegie Mellon University
          Syntax and Diathesis: A Response to L.H. Babby's "Voice and
          Diathesis in Slavic"
2:25      George Fowler, Indiana University
          -Sja, -En, and the Vagaries of Diathesis: Why Should ASPECT
          Have Anything to Do with it Anyway?
2:40      Marina Yu. Chertkova, Lomonosov Moscow University
          The Passive Voice, and By-Aspectual Verbs
3:05      Milena Slavcheva, Bulgarian Academy of Sciences
          Some Reflections on Voice and Diathesis
3:20      General Discussion

SESSION 4: The Slavic Noun Phrase

4:00      Gilbert C. Rappaport, University of Texas, Austin
4:30      Discussion

Responses:

4:45      Larisa Zlatic, University of Texas
          Slavic Noun Phrases Are NPs, not DPs
5:10      Michael Yadroff, Indiana University
          The Structure of NP in Slavic and UG
5:25      Miriam Engelhardt, Jerusalem
          Helen Trugman, CTEH, Holon
          Double Genitive Constructions in Russian
5:50      George Fowler, Indiana University
          What's at the Top of NP: KP, PP, and the Nature of
          Transitional Categories
6:05      Sandra Stjepanovic, University of Connecticut
          Extraction of Adjuncts out of NPs
6:20      General Discussion

SUNDAY 7 JUNE 1998

SESSION 5: Clitics in Slavic

8:30      Steven Franks, Indiana University
9:00      Discussion

Responses:

9:15      Ljiljana Progovac, Wayne State University
          Clitic-Second and Verb-Second
9:40      Olga Tomic, University of Novi Sad
          Against Clitic Lowering
10:05     Peter Kosta, Universitaet Potsdam
          On the Syntax of Negation and Clitics in Slavic
10:30     Iva Schick, Universitaet Potsdam
          Clitic Doubling Constructions in Balkan-Slavic Languages
11:05     Geraldine Legendre, Johns Hopkins University
          Generalized Optimality-Theoretic Alignment: The Case of
          Macedonian Clitics
11:30     General Discussion
12:00     Karel Oliva, University of Saarland
          Just Czech Clitics Data, or a Closer Look at the "Position
          Paper: Clitics in Slavic" (10)
12:15     Matthew Richardson, Yale University
          Czech Clitics as Phrasal Inflection
12:40     Piotr Banski, Indiana University and Warsaw University
          Verbal Clitics in Polish
1:05      General Discussion

LOCATION

The Workshop will be held at McCormick's Creek State Park, near Spenser,
Indiana, about 15 miles west of Bloomington, Indiana (home of Indiana
University) along highway 46.

PRACTICAL ARRANGEMENTS

There is NO registration fee for the Workshop, but we ask that you inform
us in advance if you plan to attend, so that we can make appropriate
arrangements for the included meals (see below).

We will have a single large room, with classroom-style seating (tables
facing the front). We will have an overhead projector, so speakers may
prepare transparencies if they like, as well as an easel with poster-sized
paper to write on if you prefer. We recommend that you bring 40 handouts
with you if possible. Limited Xeroxing facilities are available for 10
cents/copy at the site, but it is better not to count on this.

AIR: You should fly in and out of Indianapolis. We will provide free
airport transportation if you communicate your arrival and departure
information in advance. As an emergency backup (in case of serious flight
delays or if your ride's car should break down and strand you at the
airport), there is reasonably priced shuttle service to Bloomington from
the Ground Transportation Center at the airport. We don't expect this to be
an issue, but just in case, the shuttle schedule is given below. If you are
not met as expected call the Slavica Publishers office at 1-812-856-4186 to
communicate your problem.

DRIVING: If you arrive by car from the north or east, exit I-465 (the
circle road around Indianapolis) onto highway 67 at the SW corner of the
city, and head south about 45 miles; turn south (left) only highway 231
about 10 miles north of Spenser, and at the first stoplight in Spenser (one
of only three!) turn left (east) onto highway 46. Go two miles, then turn
left into the park at a well-marked entrance. At the gate, state that your
are arriving for the Slavic Workshop, and they will admit you without the
$2 admission charge). The Canyon Inn is about 1 km into the park along the
main road, and it is well marked.

If you arrive from the south, take I-65 to highway 46 at Columbus, Indiana.
Exit west (left) and travel 50-60 miles through Bloomington to the park,
which will be on the right just before Spenser.

>>From the west, take I-70 towards Indianapolis, and exit onto highway 231.
Travel about 30 miles south to Spenser, then follow the directions above.

>>From Bloomington, Spenser is 15 miles to the west along highway 46 (drive
west on 17th St, which becomes 46 as it leaves Bloomington).

Email me if you require additional transportation information!

ACCOMMODATIONS

The workshop will be held at the Canyon Inn on the territory of McCormick's
Creek State Park. Two types of rooms are available:

1 double bed ($60/night)
2 single beds ($60/night as single, $30/person/night as double)

The rooms are small but quite nice, all with air conditioning, private
bath, color TV, and the usual furnishings.

We have contracted to pay the Inn directly for our block of rooms (thus
saving all taxes, since we are a tax-exempt organization!), and therefore
you should make reservations with us via email, fax, etc., and plan to pay
us for your room upon arrival at the Workshop. We prefer checks, if
possible, but will take cash happily and can take credit cards if there is
no other alternative (we will have to handle this through Slavica, as if
you were purchasing books instead of paying for the room).

The Canyon Inn has a swimming pool, and various outdoor recreation
facilities are available (hiking through the woods, horseback riding for a
fee, etc.), so pack accordingly if you plan to take advantage of these
opportunities during the Workshop! Expect hot and humid weather, with daily
temperatures reaching or exceeding 30 degrees Celsius.

Overflow rooms are available at the Patriot Inn, about 1 km from the park
entrance. These rooms cost about $44 single plus $4-5 per additional person
in room. They are not as nice as the Canyon Inn rooms, and staying away
from the workshop diminishes the coziness of the Workshop experience, so we
will not use them unless we run out of space at the Canyon Inn (and this
does not appear to be a problem at the moment). If you have to stay there,
we will provide transportation to and from the conference site.

If you want to stay in Bloomington for a few days before or after the
workshop, we have blocked some rooms in Eigenmann Hall, a graduate
dormitory with single rooms, on-premises cafeteria, and within walking
distance of our library. Rooms cost about $28/day (food is not included),
and may be paid for by credit card, cash, or checks. You should request
these rooms through me in advance of the Workshop, specifying arrival and
departure dates.

FOOD

The conference will provide the following meals at no charge to
participants (if you are accompanied by a spouse or children, they are
welcome to join us but you must pay for their food; email me for details).
It is VERY important that I have an exact count BEFORE the conference, as I
must provide this information to the Canyon Inn, so please keep me informed
of your plans

Friday evening: outdoor picnic dinner (barbecue chicken
                and ribs, various other dishes; vegetarians
                can feast on salads etc.; indoors if it rains)

Saturday morning: coffee/juice/pastries/fruit at the conference
                  room

Saturday lunch: buffet with sandwiches, salads, beverages, etc.

Sunday morning: same as Saturday morning.

Saturday evening and Sunday lunch are NOT provided for. I figure many
people might want to go to a restaurant in Bloomington, but there is a
decent restaurant in the Canyon Inn as well, and one pleasant-looking
hilltop restaurant in Spenser as well.

**************************************************************************
George Fowler                                  [Email] gfowler at indiana.edu
Dept. of Slavic Languages          [dept. tel.] 1-812-855-9906/-2608/-2624
Ballantine 502                                  [dept. fax] 1-812-855-2107
Indiana University                   [home phone/fax] 1-317-726-1482/-1642
Bloomington, IN 47405-6616 USA    [Slavica phone/fax] 1-812-856-4186/-4187
**************************************************************************


From lqg00 at eng.amdahl.com  Tue May 26 00:08:37 1998
From: lqg00 at eng.amdahl.com (Lev Gluhovski)
Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 20:08:37 EDT
Subject: looking for addresses
Message-ID: <MON.25.MAY.1998.200837.EDT.>

Dear Seelangers
        Can anybody help me locate two German Slavists who have written about
Chekhov.  There names are Wolfgang Pailer and Ingrid Dlugosch.
Unfortunately, I don't know with which universities they are
associated.  I need their addresses, but even knowing which university
would be a help.
        Please send your answers directly to my e-mail number.  I will be
grateful for any leads.

Joanna Kot
Assoc. prof. of Russian
Northern Illinois University
tc0jxk1 at corn.cso.niu.edu


From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Tue May 26 10:41:17 1998
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 06:41:17 -0400
Subject: Internship at IREX (fwd)
Message-ID: <TUE.26.MAY.1998.064117.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Have not had time to post this yet.....

Devin P Browne
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:22:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Center for Civil Society International <ccsi at u.washington.edu>
Reply-To: civilsoc at SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list <civilsoc at SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU>
Subject: Internship at IREX


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From aisrael at american.edu  Tue May 26 12:49:36 1998
From: aisrael at american.edu (Alina Israeli)
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:49:36 -0400
Subject: Program & Info
Message-ID: <TUE.26.MAY.1998.084936.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

George,

Could Marina Chertkova present her paper in Russian, or does she have to
translate it into English?

I must say that I had (and still am having) a great deal of problem
printing for her the position papers. I duly started with Babby, it did
great the first page (the acrobat), and then on all of the following pages
it put stretches (as if bad fax) in the second half of the page only.

Whether I manage to get it done or not, I am asking on behalf of Marina,
when she gets there, could you provide her with the written copies of as
many talks as possible? She naturally has a harder time of it grasping the
oral. Thanks.

Alina


From aisrael at american.edu  Tue May 26 12:52:50 1998
From: aisrael at american.edu (Alina Israeli)
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:52:50 -0400
Subject: Program & Info: Workshop on Comparative Slavic Morphosyntax
Message-ID: <TUE.26.MAY.1998.085250.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I apologize, result of undersleeping and fighting with the "acrobat".

alina


From lmalcolm at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca  Tue May 26 14:49:13 1998
From: lmalcolm at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (L Malcolm)
Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:49:13 -0600
Subject: Croatian Language Resources
In-Reply-To: <v01540b02b1903387ab2a@[208.220.24.113]>
Message-ID: <TUE.26.MAY.1998.084913.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Hi. I have a friend who did her masters thesis in conflict resolution and
has been accepted as an intern to help with a conflict management agency in
Croatia. She has a background in Russian, so is familiar with Slavic
Languages. Can anybody suggest any resources (internet or otherwise) that
would be helpful to her? Though it is not required, she obviously would like
to begin to learn Croatian before she goes to Zagreb. Thanks!

Lindsay Malcolm
lmalcolm at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca


From jjryan at students.wisc.edu  Wed May 27 21:48:55 1998
From: jjryan at students.wisc.edu (Jennifer J. Ryan)
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 16:48:55 -0500
Subject: Slide sets?
Message-ID: <WED.27.MAY.1998.164855.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Seelangers:

Does anyone know of a source for obtaining sets of 35 mm slides related to
our region?  I'm looking to buy sets of good-quality images of street
scenes, architecture, the countryside, historical figures, etc. for the
lending library of our Center for Russia, East Europe, and Central Asia. My
Web searches so far have led to any number of commercial sites related to
medicine and outer space, but nothing for culture and area studies.

Any leads would be greatly appreciated.

--Jennifer

*******************************
Jennifer J. Ryan--Outreach Coordinator
Center for Russia, East Europe, and Central Asia
210 Ingraham Hall, 1155 Observatory Dr.
Madison, WI 53706
tel. (608) 262-3379 fax. (608) 265-3062
creeca3 at macc.wisc.edu
http://polyglot.lss.wisc.edu/creeca/


From lmalcolm at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca  Thu May 28 02:44:20 1998
From: lmalcolm at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Lindsay Malcolm)
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:44:20 -0600
Subject: Silver Age Poetry Web sites??
In-Reply-To: <v03007801b19237a54545@[144.92.209.120]>
Message-ID: <WED.27.MAY.1998.204420.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Hi. I am creating a web page for a course that will be a brief introduction
to Symbolism, Acmeism and Futurism. Does anybody know of any good already
existing sites that I should provide links to? I have been searching, but
you always manage to miss some. Thanks! And thanks to those who have
replied with very helpful info  about Croatian resources.

Lindsay Malcolm
lmalcolm at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca


From bmcclell at irex.ru  Thu May 28 06:32:19 1998
From: bmcclell at irex.ru (Bruce A. McClelland)
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 02:32:19 -0400
Subject: SEELANGS Digest - 26 May 1998 to 27 May 1998 (#1998-141)
In-Reply-To: <199805280413.EAA25362@ns.irex.ru>
Message-ID: <THU.28.MAY.1998.023219.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Silver Age Poetry Web site:

The full text of Osip Mandelstam's second published collection of poetry,
TRISTIA, is online through the Electronic Text Center at University of
Virginia. At this site (http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/cyrillic/index.html)
are both Cyrillic (KOI-8) and transliterated versions of the text, as well
as digitized images of the text as printed in 1921. Also available are my
translations of the poems, and notes to the text, a preface, and
translator's note.

I have marked up the text in SGML TEI-Lite, and it is fully searchable in
Cyrillic, transliteration (based on George Fowler's scheme), and English.

One caveat for prospective readers is that, although I have corrected most
of the egregious translation errors of the second (1987) edition (thank
you, Dr. Borenstein), I left the country before I was able to complete the
project. Therefore, there are lacunae in the annotation, and perhaps some
glitches (e.g. typos) in the text itself. If I ever get out of Moscow, I
will return to upgrade the project, but we (the Electronic Text Center and
I) decided it would be best to release the text as is, rather than wait
until I get time to polish it up.

Hope it helps.

I should mention, by the way, that I have been discussing with Pavel Nerler
of the Mandelstamovskoe Obshchestvo the possibility of putting the full
text of Mandelstam's collected works (4 vv) online. We have the text in
electronic form; now all we need is a bit of free time.

--Bruce McClelland
Director, Internet Programs
IREX/Moscow
>
>Date:    Wed, 27 May 1998 20:44:20 -0600
>From:    Lindsay Malcolm <lmalcolm at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>
>Subject: Silver Age Poetry Web sites??
>
>Hi. I am creating a web page for a course that will be a brief introduction
>to Symbolism, Acmeism and Futurism. Does anybody know of any good already
>existing sites that I should provide links to? I have been searching, but
>you always manage to miss some. Thanks! And thanks to those who have
>replied with very helpful info  about Croatian resources.
>
>Lindsay Malcolm
>lmalcolm at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca
>


From ewb2 at cornell.edu  Thu May 28 16:08:01 1998
From: ewb2 at cornell.edu (Wayles Browne)
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 12:08:01 -0400
Subject: The Fourth N. American-Macedonian Conference
Message-ID: <THU.28.MAY.1998.120801.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>Status: U
>X-Sender: ce.kramer at mailbox40.utcc.utoronto.ca (Unverified)
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>To: belyavsk at depauw.edu, rdgreenb at imap.unc.edu, bdarden at midway.uchicago.edu,
>        gfielder at ccit.arizona.edu, crudin at wscgate.wsc.edu,
>        ewb2 at cornell.edu (Wayles Browne), kgareiss at midway.uchicago.edu,
>        vfinn at freenet.columbus.oh.us, rdimova at leland.stanford.edu,
>        mjseraph at islander.whidbey.net, vfriedman at midway.uchicago.edu,
>        ldanfort at abacus.bates.edu, jneikirk at mail.house.state.oh.us,
>        mcv4 at midway.uchicago.edu
>From: ce.kramer at utoronto.ca (Christina E. Kramer)
>Subject: The Fourth N. American-Macedonian Conference
>Date:  Thu, 28 May 1998 11:45:22 -0400
>
>I have received a fax from Macedonia reporting that the Fourth
>Conference,entitled "Makedonski Jazik, literatura, i kultura" will take
>place in Ohrid, Macedonia, Aug. 2000.  Originally the date was set to
>coincide with the ending of the summer seminar, but I have been told that
>the date will shift to the beginning of August to accomodate people who
>will be in Finland for a conference at the end of July. I will be the N.
>American coordinator of this conference so if you wish to be on the list of
>potential participants please respond to this mailing and I will keep you
>on file. Also, please post this to relevant lists - e.g. SEESA.  With best
>wishes, Christina Kramer
>


From djbpitt+ at pitt.edu  Thu May 28 16:31:48 1998
From: djbpitt+ at pitt.edu (David J Birnbaum)
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 12:31:48 -0400
Subject: OCR recommendation?
Message-ID: <THU.28.MAY.1998.123148.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Colleagues,

Can anyone recommend a trainable OCR package that works well with Cyrillic
and with Eastern European Latin-alphabet writing? Trainability is
important, since we'd like to be able to train it to handle OCS and other
uncommon writing systems. WinNT or Mac preferred, but we'll consider other
platforms if the software justifies it.

Thanks,

David
________________________________________________________________________

Professor David J. Birnbaum     email: djbpitt+ at pitt.edu
Department of Slavic Languages  url:   http://clover.slavic.pitt.edu/~djb/
1417 Cathedral of Learning      voice: 1-412-624-5712
University of Pittsburgh        fax:   1-412-624-9714
Pittsburgh, PA 15260 USA


From ddiduck at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca  Thu May 28 17:32:02 1998
From: ddiduck at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca (Darusia Antoniuk)
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:32:02 -0600
Subject: Exchange Programs
Message-ID: <THU.28.MAY.1998.113202.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

INFORMATION NEEDED ON EXCHANGE PROGRAMS
I am currently studying the sustainability of exchange programs between
Canada and Ukraine and would appreciate any information about exchange
programs to Eastern Europe.  Of particular interest are programs which have
existed for a number of years and have developed a strong infrastructure.


Darusia Antoniuk
Assistant Developer
Ukrainian Language Education Centre
Canadian Institute of Ukrainian Studies
352 Athabasca Hall
University of Alberta
Edmonton, AB, T6G 2E8
telephone (403) 492-2904
fax (403) 492-4967
email ddiduck at gpu.srv.ualberta.ca


From wolf at umich.edu  Thu May 28 17:51:28 1998
From: wolf at umich.edu (Erika Wolf)
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:51:28 -0400
Subject: IMLI Archive
Message-ID: <THU.28.MAY.1998.135128.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I am about to depart for Moscow on a follow-up research trip for my
dissertation. During my previous trips, I did not attempt to work in
the archive at IMLI, as it was "temporarily" closed. Does anyone know the
present status of this archive, or how one might gain access in the
present circumstances?

Any insight or information would be most appreciated!


Erika M. Wolf

WORK:                                   HOME:
Department of Art and Art History       2452 Stone Road
Wayne State University                  Ann Arbor, MI 48105
150 Art Building, 450 Reuther Mall
Detroit, MI 48202
Office phone:   313-577-5967            Home phone: 734-763-7078
Office fax:     313-577-3491
*****************************************************************


From bhorowit at unlinfo.unl.edu  Thu May 28 19:10:57 1998
From: bhorowit at unlinfo.unl.edu (brian horowitz)
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 14:10:57 -0500
Subject: Russian VISA
In-Reply-To: <no.id> from "Erika Wolf" at May 28, 98 01:51:28 pm
Message-ID: <THU.28.MAY.1998.141057.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELANGERS,

     I have a student who would like to go to St. Petersburg for a
month this summer to study on his own and get a feel for the culture.
But, and here's the BUT, he needs a visa or an invitation to get a
visa. Can anyone tell me if there are VISA services, can one "buy" a
visa to go to Russia?

     Please answer off line to the student directly.
David Bitenieks: kinghell13 at aol.com

     Sincerely, Brian Horowitz, U. of Nebraska


From Jerry_Ervin at compuserve.com  Thu May 28 23:01:21 1998
From: Jerry_Ervin at compuserve.com (Jerry Ervin)
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 19:01:21 -0400
Subject: Joe Malik
Message-ID: <THU.28.MAY.1998.190121.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I regret to inform SEELANGS readers that Joe Malik, Jr., long-time
Executive Secretary of AATSEEL, died early this morning in Tucson, Arizona.
 His health had not been good for much of the past year.  Information about
the memorial service and the family's wishes will be posted here as it
becomes available.

*  *  *  *  *
Gerard L. (Jerry) Ervin
Executive Director, American Ass'n of Teachers of 
Slavic & E European Languages (AATSEEL)
1933 N. Fountain Park Dr., Tucson, AZ 85715 USA
Phone/fax:  520/885-2663
Email:  76703.2063 at compuserve.com
AATSEEL Home Page: <http://clover.slavic.pitt.edu/~aatseel/>
*  *  *  *  *


From yamato at yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp  Fri May 29 01:15:38 1998
From: yamato at yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp (Yoshimasa Tsuji)
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:15:38 +0900
Subject: OCR recommendation?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.3.96L.980528122432.6985E-100000@unixs-eval.cis.pitt.edu> (message from David J Birnbaum on Thu,
 28 May 1998 12:31:48 -0400)
Message-ID: <FRI.29.MAY.1998.101538.0900.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

FineReader Professional (http://www.bitsoft.ru) is
the only choice.  I have taught it to replace jat' by "@e",
fita by "@f", etc. and am so very satisfied with it that I have
not checked if they have released a new version.

FineReader Standard, CuneiForm (try http://www.cognitive.ru) are
also excellent products (for Mac users, MacTiger, the Mac version
of CuneiForm is the only choice). Their accuracy is almost
at the ceiling level (words with three or more letters are correctly
read -- two or three errors in a 300 KB text; recognition of words
with two or fewer letters is rather poor -- 90 per cent for a beautiful
print. My guess is the bare bone recognition capability, that is without
guessing from the spelling -- is 95 per cent, which means about fifteen
errors in a page. All of these OCRs understand some forty languages and
directly output spread sheet in Excel format, etc., but FineReaderPro
excels in many ways: trainability, handwritten text, capability
of creating databases directly from a custom formatted OCR paper such as
"marked sheets", etc.

Try those programs by downloading from the sites I have quoted.

Cheers,
Tsuji


P.S.
If we have got a proper spelling checker, we could OCR a book of three
hundred pages in a day's work. Unfortunately there's no such thing
available. I have written a basic algorithm for a decent spelling
checker but neither time/money nor a help has been available for me,
unfortunately. I wonder if you know of a student who might help me
(we don't have specialists of formal grammar here, so asking students
whether they know of Zaliznjak is a waste of time. Besides I am
teaching economics and my acquaintances are mostly maths people, which
is why I can't get grants for linguistic researches.
  Replace "po" by "no" in a Russian text and see whether your favorite
spelling checker says anything. Humans think it is a typo, but how's
your software? If it does, let me know, please.


From SLBAEHR at VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU  Fri May 29 01:41:21 1998
From: SLBAEHR at VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU (Steve Baehr)
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 21:41:21 EDT
Subject: GTA Available for SEEJ Editorial Assistant
Message-ID: <THU.28.MAY.1998.214121.EDT.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

PLEASE BRING THE FOLLOWING GRADUATE TEACHING ASSISTANTSHIP POSITION
TO THE ATTENTION OF ANY QUALIFIED STUDENTS. Thanks.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

The Department of English at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and
State University has agreed to assign a GTA to
+Slavic and East European Journal+, which will move to Virginia
Tech for three years during the 1998-99 academic year.

As of the moment, the Department does not have any students
in their program with background in Russian language and literature.
If anyone knows of an excellent student with this background who
may still be considering an M.A. program in English and Comparative
Literature beginning in the 1998-99 academic year and who
might be interested in and qualified for this GTA,
please ask him or her to contact the Director of Graduate Studies
in the English Dept. as soon as possible:
Prof. Peter Graham, Department of English, Virginia Tech,
Blacksburg, VA 24061-0112. E-mail: pegraham at vt.edu
The Department has two specialists in Slavic literatures and a number
of other specialists in comparative literature and literary theory,
in addition to specialists in all periods of English literature.

The GTA is a twelve-month position and requires 20 hours of work on SEEJ
per week. It will pay slightly more than $900 per month plus a tuition waiver
during the academic year and a $2,400 stipend for the summer.
For additional information on the Editorial Assistant position, please
contact Prof. Stephen Baehr at the address below. For additional
information on the English Dept., please contact Prof. Graham directly.

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Stephen L. Baehr (slbaehr at vtvm1.cc.vt.edu OR slbaehr at vt.edu>
Professor of Russian
Editor-Elect, +Slavic and East European Journal+
Department of Foreign Languages and Literatures
Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
Blacksburg, VA 24061-0225
Telephone: (540)-231-8323; FAX (540) 231-4812


From jhacking at KUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU  Fri May 29 14:18:38 1998
From: jhacking at KUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU (jane hacking)
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:18:38 -0500
Subject: The Fourth N. American-Macedonian Conference
In-Reply-To: <v03110701b1933c0ceb45@[132.236.21.190]>
Message-ID: <FRI.29.MAY.1998.091838.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Christina,
Count me interested. Todd and I have actually fantasized about doing a
family trip to coincide so who knows... How goes the book?
Jane

Jane F. Hacking
Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures
University of Kansas
Lawrence, KS 66045
(913) 864-3313


From jhacking at KUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU  Fri May 29 14:19:34 1998
From: jhacking at KUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU (jane hacking)
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:19:34 -0500
Subject: The Fourth N. American-Macedonian Conference
In-Reply-To: <v03110701b1933c0ceb45@[132.236.21.190]>
Message-ID: <FRI.29.MAY.1998.091934.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

oops, sorry about the misaddressed mail.
JFH

Jane F. Hacking
Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures
University of Kansas
Lawrence, KS 66045
(913) 864-3313


From Rebecca.E.Matveyev at lawrence.edu  Fri May 29 19:17:11 1998
From: Rebecca.E.Matveyev at lawrence.edu (Rebecca E. Matveyev)
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:17:11 -0600
Subject: Russian software
Message-ID: <FRI.29.MAY.1998.131711.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I recently tried to order several software packages (Russian
Pronunciation Tutor, Russian Noun Tutor, Verbal Aspect, and Russian Word

Torture), from Softkey International.  But as I found out after several
phone calls, since they have merged with the Learning Company, they no
longer have any of those products (none of them are currently shown on
the website, either).

Does anyone own any of these products, and if so, do you know of a way
to get in touch with the people who originally produced them?


Thanks,
Rebecca



Rebecca Epstein Matveyev
Russian Department
Lawrence University
Appleton, WI 54912
rebecca.e.matveyev at lawrence.edu


From jlrice38 at open.org  Fri May 29 21:08:06 1998
From: jlrice38 at open.org (James L. Rice)
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 14:08:06 -0700
Subject: GTA Available for SEEJ Editorial Assistant
Message-ID: <FRI.29.MAY.1998.140806.0700.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Steve,                                     May 29, 98

Greetings to you and Irina.  Just checked my email and saw your GTA
announcement, a SEEJ ed assistantship for 3 years to work in a program of
English/Comp Lit.  I just alerted our student Christopher Syrnyk by voice
mail.  It seems to have his name written on it.  He is our BA, has been in
our Russian MA program since '93, passed his generals in Russian literature
two weeks ago, is writing an MA thesis on dogs in Russian literature (a
segment of which, on Siniavsky, was presented at the San Diego AATSEEL a few
years back). Early in our acquaintance, 8 to 10 yrs ago -- can it be? --
when he was in 1st quarter of 1st-year Russian (a section demolished by the
instructor, a very erudite Pole with excellent Russian and English, who
eventually got a Complit PhD here, but was totally incapable of giving THE
RIGHT answer to students' questions, furnishing instead 6 or 8 skew answers
in the form of a grammatical disquisition, all in English just a touch TOO
good for a lot of the troups -- I found out, auditing in the third week, too
late!), Chris described himself as "a former world-class altar-boy," from
which he has many an amusing anecdote.

Actually that topic, dogs, began with me as a party game or parody when I
was an undergrad, but I tossed it out to Christ (stick-like) years ago, and
he "ran with it" -- but has yet to bring it back to lay at my feet!

He's a Portlander, grew up without his parents' Ukrainian, and is
essentially a Russianist, though for better or worse with benefit of ALL the
Slavic linguistics courses, including OCS, given by my colleague emeritus
John Fred Beebe, a walking encyclopedia of linguistics, world ethnography,
comparative religion, geographical topoi and toponyms of now and yore, etc
etc (see, with Jakobson, the book prepared by Beebe from ROJ's kartoteka,
PALEO-SIBERIAN LANGUAGES & PEOPLES: AN ANNOTATED BIBLIOGRAPHY, a tome also
set by Beebe on the line-o-type.)

Chris Syrnyk emerged from Beebe's orbit, as so many of us from hither or
thither, as no Slavic linguist, but in the idiom -- "he's been there."
He also took some courses with our new linguist Cynthia Vakareliyska (student
of Lunt and Yokoyama & auditor of innumerable Chomsky mystifications down
the river, tenured with us last spring) -- and she too was not his cup of tea.

But he also began writing poetry long ago, and is deeply involved with
English and American Poetry, esp many moderns and contemporaries.  He was my
research assistant paving the way for a Brodsky 3-week mini-course on the
poetry of Hardy, Frost, and Auden that was to be given at UO (one of JB's
dozens of cancelled engagements in the early '90's).   Also worked as GTF
step-n-fetchit for Siniavsky when he was he for a term, and more recently
for Losev (helping out with a Brodsky memorial on May 26, 1996, late JB's
birthday, with Ufliand, young Ustinov, and others participating -- esp a
great ace from Jerusalem whose name escapes (then at Stanford): they all
stayed in Losev's rented mansion, and it was a great circus. Ufliand has
been a good Keenan friend since 1959, -- many anecdotes.).

In other words, Syrnyk already IS complit (as I keep telling our benighted
folks in COMPLIT, now COLT for short, previously -- when dear Irving
Wohlfarth ran it for a decade -- CLIT: "ALL lit is compl lit." <and esp, one
might add, Russian lit, which wears its CLIT on its sleeve.  It is, in any
case, an axiom well known to Syrnyk, who also practices it.)

About five years ago Carol Emerson went all out trying to get Chris a 5-year
deal at Princeton. He went on a pilgrimage there, she took him with some of
her students to see Shostakovich's Ledi Makbet at the Met <for which she
wrote the program notes) etc.  The psychopathology of everyday life
intervened, in the form of an existential crisis: Syrnyk somehow neglected
to go around and take the required GRE exam, so it all fell through. (Of
course the 5-year package would have had to be won by indian-wrestling with
other yoonits). That year Chris (whose father died at 30, probably the
Freudian crux of things at that time, '93 or so) was engaged to 3 women
<serially and legitimately, I hasten to add>, married the third after
wriggling off two hooks. (#1 was an affluent exec with Mobility
International, #2 was a high-powered divorced grad student in complit, #3
was and is a delightfully lovely and alert teenage checkout girl at Safeway,
whose dad is a biker.  So you see, Syrnyk is not a complete fool.)

At the moment Chris Syrnyk has applied to the Wisconsin Madison PhD program
in Slavic, having traveled there with wife (Kelly) for their AATSEEL chapter
conference last month.  But as soon as I read your announcement it seemed to
me that that the kind of work (for SEEJ) and the scope of a comp lit program
(with people like you -- and Irina? -- around) is much more the kind of
thing, and environment, for him.  Also, that he might just prove to your
liking as well.

He reads French and/or German -- I forget exactly which.  (ONE of these is a
requirement for our MA in Russian, but I think he has both.)

Another wonderful topic he's been working on for several years is the
concept of SMEKH in literature -- first, in PRESTUPLENIE I NAKAZANIE.  Not
only humor, the comic, etc., but also more specifically SMEKH as action, as
communication, as characterization.  You probably know that lately the
psychology labs have been coming up with interesting observations about
function of laughter across cultures, sexual boundaries, etc. But his
interest long antedates those reports,
I have tried to persuade him that this is a great topic for the Back Burner (PhD
diss).  He's been all too impatient with his own stuff that seems an already
projdennoe mesto, has had trouble focusing and progressing (be it dogs,
laughter, or whatever) -- all basically the existential low-grade depressive
anxiety, that is, common garden-variety thesis-retention.

Getting him in to take his MA generals was a masterly maneuver by me, as his
advisor.  He wanted to dangle and brood, perhaps on and on.  (I'd urged him
to take them with some more advanced MA candidates four years ago, since
he'd taken about all the courses we have on the books.  But he wouldn't.)
But now he is in motion, and I think it's clear that what you describe is
more suited to his interests, more flexible, than a traditional or
latter-day Slavic PhD program AT THIS POINT (though that needn't be ruled
out for later).

Amidst my drafting this, he returned my call and I told him about the job
announcement, gave him your address (not locating your phone number).  He
will try to phone you after a day or so, we hope -- to give this letter time
to reach you first.

Best regards,

Jim

PS Marcus Levitt's Russian Porn fest was a great thing (May 22-24),
unbuttoned but on the highest professional level (for such filth).  I'll
send you a copy of the program.  Kasinec was in great form, also the Kansas
historian John Alexander (on Catherine as sex queen).  There were two
excellent young folklorists from the Inst of World Lit, Moscow -- Andrei
Toporkov (editor of the R. EROT. FOL'klor anthology in which "my" Kirsha
bawdy song appeared unexpurgated as "No 1", and Vladimir Kliaus, who gave a
preview of a planned erotic motif index of Russian folk songs.  He showed a
great video of a village wedding near the Mongolian border.  These guys are
not just Levi Straussian parlor ethnographers. As I was getting a van to the
airport, Kliaus gave me a copy of his 1997 book, a motif- and
motif-situation index (400+ pp) of East and South Slavic zagovory --
inscribed (as I read on the plane to San Francisco) "s ogromnym uvazheniem".
It's nice to have some respect somewhere. You'd never know it to look at my
paycheck.

Did I see your name on a list for the Dostoevsky symposium at Columbia late
July to August 2nd?  I'm now definitely going, staying w my dear sister in
Somers (Westchester).  She's just taken another new job as THE
computer-records chief of TIAA-CREF, there regarded as an Inspector General
whose enquiries into the jumbled data bases may result in execs being
transferred - saints preserve us -- to the Aspen office!  (= Siberia) I told
her my very modest account from years ago (Harvard '65) could stand to be
mightily enhanced by, say, moving a decimal point one place to the right.
Chuckling (her normal mode) she allowed it would be "child's play."  Of
course it is out of the question, but... food for thought.

Finally, about dogs, did you notice a wacky little paperback (Moskva
"Gnozis" 1996) by Sergei Zimovets, MOLCHANIE GERASIMA. PSIKHOANALITICHESKIE
I FILOSOFSKIE ESSE O RUSSKOI KUL'TURE -- ? -- such topics as
"sobakochelovek", "mumufikatsiia"
(< Mumu), Pavlov, Laika i pr.  I rushed it to Syrnyk's data base.


,At 09:41 PM 5/28/98 EDT, you wrote:
>PLEASE BRING THE FOLLOWING GRADUATE TEACHING ASSISTANTSHIP POSITION
>TO THE ATTENTION OF ANY QUALIFIED STUDENTS. Thanks.
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>The Department of English at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and
>State University has agreed to assign a GTA to
>+Slavic and East European Journal+, which will move to Virginia
>Tech for three years during the 1998-99 academic year.
>
>As of the moment, the Department does not have any students
>in their program with background in Russian language and literature.
>If anyone knows of an excellent student with this background who
>may still be considering an M.A. program in English and Comparative
>Literature beginning in the 1998-99 academic year and who
>might be interested in and qualified for this GTA,
>please ask him or her to contact the Director of Graduate Studies
>in the English Dept. as soon as possible:
>Prof. Peter Graham, Department of English, Virginia Tech,
>Blacksburg, VA 24061-0112. E-mail: pegraham at vt.edu
>The Department has two specialists in Slavic literatures and a number
>of other specialists in comparative literature and literary theory,
>in addition to specialists in all periods of English literature.
>
>The GTA is a twelve-month position and requires 20 hours of work on SEEJ
>per week. It will pay slightly more than $900 per month plus a tuition waiver
>during the academic year and a $2,400 stipend for the summer.
>For additional information on the Editorial Assistant position, please
>contact Prof. Stephen Baehr at the address below. For additional
>information on the English Dept., please contact Prof. Graham directly.
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>Stephen L. Baehr (slbaehr at vtvm1.cc.vt.edu OR slbaehr at vt.edu>
>Professor of Russian
>Editor-Elect, +Slavic and East European Journal+
>Department of Foreign Languages and Literatures
>Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
>Blacksburg, VA 24061-0225
>Telephone: (540)-231-8323; FAX (540) 231-4812
>
>


From thebaron at interaccess.com  Fri May 29 22:01:01 1998
From: thebaron at interaccess.com (baron chivrin)
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 17:01:01 -0500
Subject: GTA Available for SEEJ Editorial Assistant
Message-ID: <FRI.29.MAY.1998.170101.0500.>

If you folks insisting on sending your personal messages to all of us, could you
 at
least spice them up a bit?

bc

James L. Rice wrote:

> Dear Steve,                                     May 29, 98
>
> Greetings to you and Irina.  Just checked my email and saw your GTA
> announcement, a SEEJ ed assistantship for 3 years to work in a program of
> English/Comp Lit.  I just alerted our student Christopher Syrnyk by voice
> mail.  It seems to have his name written on it.  He is our BA, has been in
> our Russian MA program since '93, passed his generals in Russian literature
> two weeks ago, is writing an MA thesis on dogs in Russian literature (a
> segment of which, on Siniavsky, was presented at the San Diego AATSEEL a few
> years back). Early in our acquaintance, 8 to 10 yrs ago -- can it be? --
> when he was in 1st quarter of 1st-year Russian (a section demolished by the
> instructor, a very erudite Pole with excellent Russian and English, who
> eventually got a Complit PhD here, but was totally incapable of giving THE
> RIGHT answer to students' questions, furnishing instead 6 or 8 skew answers
> in the form of a grammatical disquisition, all in English just a touch TOO
> good for a lot of the troups -- I found out, auditing in the third week, too
> late!), Chris described himself as "a former world-class altar-boy," from
> which he has many an amusing anecdote.
>
> Actually that topic, dogs, began with me as a party game or parody when I
> was an undergrad, but I tossed it out to Christ (stick-like) years ago, and
> he "ran with it" -- but has yet to bring it back to lay at my feet!
>
> He's a Portlander, grew up without his parents' Ukrainian, and is
> essentially a Russianist, though for better or worse with benefit of ALL the
> Slavic linguistics courses, including OCS, given by my colleague emeritus
> John Fred Beebe, a walking encyclopedia of linguistics, world ethnography,
> comparative religion, geographical topoi and toponyms of now and yore, etc
> etc (see, with Jakobson, the book prepared by Beebe from ROJ's kartoteka,
> PALEO-SIBERIAN LANGUAGES & PEOPLES: AN ANNOTATED BIBLIOGRAPHY, a tome also
> set by Beebe on the line-o-type.)
>
> Chris Syrnyk emerged from Beebe's orbit, as so many of us from hither or
> thither, as no Slavic linguist, but in the idiom -- "he's been there."
> He also took some courses with our new linguist Cynthia Vakareliyska (student
> of Lunt and Yokoyama & auditor of innumerable Chomsky mystifications down
> the river, tenured with us last spring) -- and she too was not his cup of tea.
>
> But he also began writing poetry long ago, and is deeply involved with
> English and American Poetry, esp many moderns and contemporaries.  He was my
> research assistant paving the way for a Brodsky 3-week mini-course on the
> poetry of Hardy, Frost, and Auden that was to be given at UO (one of JB's
> dozens of cancelled engagements in the early '90's).   Also worked as GTF
> step-n-fetchit for Siniavsky when he was he for a term, and more recently
> for Losev (helping out with a Brodsky memorial on May 26, 1996, late JB's
> birthday, with Ufliand, young Ustinov, and others participating -- esp a
> great ace from Jerusalem whose name escapes (then at Stanford): they all
> stayed in Losev's rented mansion, and it was a great circus. Ufliand has
> been a good Keenan friend since 1959, -- many anecdotes.).
>
> In other words, Syrnyk already IS complit (as I keep telling our benighted
> folks in COMPLIT, now COLT for short, previously -- when dear Irving
> Wohlfarth ran it for a decade -- CLIT: "ALL lit is compl lit." <and esp, one
> might add, Russian lit, which wears its CLIT on its sleeve.  It is, in any
> case, an axiom well known to Syrnyk, who also practices it.)
>
> About five years ago Carol Emerson went all out trying to get Chris a 5-year
> deal at Princeton. He went on a pilgrimage there, she took him with some of
> her students to see Shostakovich's Ledi Makbet at the Met <for which she
> wrote the program notes) etc.  The psychopathology of everyday life
> intervened, in the form of an existential crisis: Syrnyk somehow neglected
> to go around and take the required GRE exam, so it all fell through. (Of
> course the 5-year package would have had to be won by indian-wrestling with
> other yoonits). That year Chris (whose father died at 30, probably the
> Freudian crux of things at that time, '93 or so) was engaged to 3 women
> <serially and legitimately, I hasten to add>, married the third after
> wriggling off two hooks. (#1 was an affluent exec with Mobility
> International, #2 was a high-powered divorced grad student in complit, #3
> was and is a delightfully lovely and alert teenage checkout girl at Safeway,
> whose dad is a biker.  So you see, Syrnyk is not a complete fool.)
>
> At the moment Chris Syrnyk has applied to the Wisconsin Madison PhD program
> in Slavic, having traveled there with wife (Kelly) for their AATSEEL chapter
> conference last month.  But as soon as I read your announcement it seemed to
> me that that the kind of work (for SEEJ) and the scope of a comp lit program
> (with people like you -- and Irina? -- around) is much more the kind of
> thing, and environment, for him.  Also, that he might just prove to your
> liking as well.
>
> He reads French and/or German -- I forget exactly which.  (ONE of these is a
> requirement for our MA in Russian, but I think he has both.)
>
> Another wonderful topic he's been working on for several years is the
> concept of SMEKH in literature -- first, in PRESTUPLENIE I NAKAZANIE.  Not
> only humor, the comic, etc., but also more specifically SMEKH as action, as
> communication, as characterization.  You probably know that lately the
> psychology labs have been coming up with interesting observations about
> function of laughter across cultures, sexual boundaries, etc. But his
> interest long antedates those reports,
> I have tried to persuade him that this is a great topic for the Back Burner
 (PhD
> diss).  He's been all too impatient with his own stuff that seems an already
> projdennoe mesto, has had trouble focusing and progressing (be it dogs,
> laughter, or whatever) -- all basically the existential low-grade depressive
> anxiety, that is, common garden-variety thesis-retention.
>
> Getting him in to take his MA generals was a masterly maneuver by me, as his
> advisor.  He wanted to dangle and brood, perhaps on and on.  (I'd urged him
> to take them with some more advanced MA candidates four years ago, since
> he'd taken about all the courses we have on the books.  But he wouldn't.)
> But now he is in motion, and I think it's clear that what you describe is
> more suited to his interests, more flexible, than a traditional or
> latter-day Slavic PhD program AT THIS POINT (though that needn't be ruled
> out for later).
>
> Amidst my drafting this, he returned my call and I told him about the job
> announcement, gave him your address (not locating your phone number).  He
> will try to phone you after a day or so, we hope -- to give this letter time
> to reach you first.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jim
>
> PS Marcus Levitt's Russian Porn fest was a great thing (May 22-24),
> unbuttoned but on the highest professional level (for such filth).  I'll
> send you a copy of the program.  Kasinec was in great form, also the Kansas
> historian John Alexander (on Catherine as sex queen).  There were two
> excellent young folklorists from the Inst of World Lit, Moscow -- Andrei
> Toporkov (editor of the R. EROT. FOL'klor anthology in which "my" Kirsha
> bawdy song appeared unexpurgated as "No 1", and Vladimir Kliaus, who gave a
> preview of a planned erotic motif index of Russian folk songs.  He showed a
> great video of a village wedding near the Mongolian border.  These guys are
> not just Levi Straussian parlor ethnographers. As I was getting a van to the
> airport, Kliaus gave me a copy of his 1997 book, a motif- and
> motif-situation index (400+ pp) of East and South Slavic zagovory --
> inscribed (as I read on the plane to San Francisco) "s ogromnym uvazheniem".
> It's nice to have some respect somewhere. You'd never know it to look at my
> paycheck.
>
> Did I see your name on a list for the Dostoevsky symposium at Columbia late
> July to August 2nd?  I'm now definitely going, staying w my dear sister in
> Somers (Westchester).  She's just taken another new job as THE
> computer-records chief of TIAA-CREF, there regarded as an Inspector General
> whose enquiries into the jumbled data bases may result in execs being
> transferred - saints preserve us -- to the Aspen office!  (= Siberia) I told
> her my very modest account from years ago (Harvard '65) could stand to be
> mightily enhanced by, say, moving a decimal point one place to the right.
> Chuckling (her normal mode) she allowed it would be "child's play."  Of
> course it is out of the question, but... food for thought.
>
> Finally, about dogs, did you notice a wacky little paperback (Moskva
> "Gnozis" 1996) by Sergei Zimovets, MOLCHANIE GERASIMA. PSIKHOANALITICHESKIE
> I FILOSOFSKIE ESSE O RUSSKOI KUL'TURE -- ? -- such topics as
> "sobakochelovek", "mumufikatsiia"
> (< Mumu), Pavlov, Laika i pr.  I rushed it to Syrnyk's data base.
>
> ,At 09:41 PM 5/28/98 EDT, you wrote:
> >PLEASE BRING THE FOLLOWING GRADUATE TEACHING ASSISTANTSHIP POSITION
> >TO THE ATTENTION OF ANY QUALIFIED STUDENTS. Thanks.
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >The Department of English at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and
> >State University has agreed to assign a GTA to
> >+Slavic and East European Journal+, which will move to Virginia
> >Tech for three years during the 1998-99 academic year.
> >
> >As of the moment, the Department does not have any students
> >in their program with background in Russian language and literature.
> >If anyone knows of an excellent student with this background who
> >may still be considering an M.A. program in English and Comparative
> >Literature beginning in the 1998-99 academic year and who
> >might be interested in and qualified for this GTA,
> >please ask him or her to contact the Director of Graduate Studies
> >in the English Dept. as soon as possible:
> >Prof. Peter Graham, Department of English, Virginia Tech,
> >Blacksburg, VA 24061-0112. E-mail: pegraham at vt.edu
> >The Department has two specialists in Slavic literatures and a number
> >of other specialists in comparative literature and literary theory,
> >in addition to specialists in all periods of English literature.
> >
> >The GTA is a twelve-month position and requires 20 hours of work on SEEJ
> >per week. It will pay slightly more than $900 per month plus a tuition waiver
> >during the academic year and a $2,400 stipend for the summer.
> >For additional information on the Editorial Assistant position, please
> >contact Prof. Stephen Baehr at the address below. For additional
> >information on the English Dept., please contact Prof. Graham directly.
> >
> >---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Stephen L. Baehr (slbaehr at vtvm1.cc.vt.edu OR slbaehr at vt.edu>
> >Professor of Russian
> >Editor-Elect, +Slavic and East European Journal+
> >Department of Foreign Languages and Literatures
> >Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
> >Blacksburg, VA 24061-0225
> >Telephone: (540)-231-8323; FAX (540) 231-4812
> >
> >


From roborr at aix1.uottawa.ca  Sat May 30 03:46:52 1998
From: roborr at aix1.uottawa.ca (Robert Orr)
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 23:46:52 -0400
Subject: starost > zabyt'e
In-Reply-To: <199805292108.OAA21900@opengovt.open.org>
Message-ID: <FRI.29.MAY.1998.234652.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Seelanzhane,
                Having passed the big 4-0, one realsies that memory ain't
what it used to be.
                I seem to rememebr that soemwhere Alfred Senn put forward
a theory that a sort of Balto-Slavic dialect continuum was "disrupted
by a Persian invasion around 500 BC".

Has anyone got a more exact reference?

Thanks in advance,

Robert Orr


From a.jameson at dial.pipex.com  Sat May 30 11:48:55 1998
From: a.jameson at dial.pipex.com (Andrew Jameson)
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 12:48:55 +0100
Subject: GTA Available for SEEJ Editorial Assistant
Message-ID: <SAT.30.MAY.1998.124855.0100.>

This doesn't need spicing up (you got your erotic bit, didn't you?),
it's exactly what I was hoping for when I joined this list, and I can't
wait for the next instalment to hear whether Syrnik gets the job...
Don't let us down please.
Andrew Jameson
ex Russian Dept, Lancaster, UK

----------
> From: James L. Rice <jlrice38 at open.org>
> To: SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
> Subject: Re: GTA Available for SEEJ Editorial Assistant
> Date: 29 May 1998 22:08
>
> Dear Steve,                                     May 29, 98
>
> Greetings to you and Irina.  Just checked my email and saw your GTA
> announcement, a SEEJ ed assistantship for 3 years to work in a program of
> English/Comp Lit.  I just alerted our student Christopher Syrnyk by voice
> mail.  It seems to have his name written on it.  He is our BA, has been in
> our Russian MA program since '93, passed his generals in Russian literature
> two weeks ago, is writing an MA thesis on dogs in Russian literature (a
> segment of which, on Siniavsky, was presented at the San Diego AATSEEL a few
> years back). Early in our acquaintance, 8 to 10 yrs ago -- can it be? --
> when he was in 1st quarter of 1st-year Russian (a section demolished by the
> instructor, a very erudite Pole with excellent Russian and English, who
> eventually got a Complit PhD here, but was totally incapable of giving THE
> RIGHT answer to students' questions, furnishing instead 6 or 8 skew answers
> in the form of a grammatical disquisition, all in English just a touch TOO
> good for a lot of the troups -- I found out, auditing in the third week, too
> late!), Chris described himself as "a former world-class altar-boy," from
> which he has many an amusing anecdote.
>
> Actually that topic, dogs, began with me as a party game or parody when I
> was an undergrad, but I tossed it out to Christ (stick-like) years ago, and
> he "ran with it" -- but has yet to bring it back to lay at my feet!
>
> He's a Portlander, grew up without his parents' Ukrainian, and is
> essentially a Russianist, though for better or worse with benefit of ALL the
> Slavic linguistics courses, including OCS, given by my colleague emeritus
> John Fred Beebe, a walking encyclopedia of linguistics, world ethnography,
> comparative religion, geographical topoi and toponyms of now and yore, etc
> etc (see, with Jakobson, the book prepared by Beebe from ROJ's kartoteka,
> PALEO-SIBERIAN LANGUAGES & PEOPLES: AN ANNOTATED BIBLIOGRAPHY, a tome also
> set by Beebe on the line-o-type.)
>
> Chris Syrnyk emerged from Beebe's orbit, as so many of us from hither or
> thither, as no Slavic linguist, but in the idiom -- "he's been there."
> He also took some courses with our new linguist Cynthia Vakareliyska (student
> of Lunt and Yokoyama & auditor of innumerable Chomsky mystifications down
> the river, tenured with us last spring) -- and she too was not his cup of tea.
>
> But he also began writing poetry long ago, and is deeply involved with
> English and American Poetry, esp many moderns and contemporaries.  He was my
> research assistant paving the way for a Brodsky 3-week mini-course on the
> poetry of Hardy, Frost, and Auden that was to be given at UO (one of JB's
> dozens of cancelled engagements in the early '90's).   Also worked as GTF
> step-n-fetchit for Siniavsky when he was he for a term, and more recently
> for Losev (helping out with a Brodsky memorial on May 26, 1996, late JB's
> birthday, with Ufliand, young Ustinov, and others participating -- esp a
> great ace from Jerusalem whose name escapes (then at Stanford): they all
> stayed in Losev's rented mansion, and it was a great circus. Ufliand has
> been a good Keenan friend since 1959, -- many anecdotes.).
>
> In other words, Syrnyk already IS complit (as I keep telling our benighted
> folks in COMPLIT, now COLT for short, previously -- when dear Irving
> Wohlfarth ran it for a decade -- CLIT: "ALL lit is compl lit." <and esp, one
> might add, Russian lit, which wears its CLIT on its sleeve.  It is, in any
> case, an axiom well known to Syrnyk, who also practices it.)
>
> About five years ago Carol Emerson went all out trying to get Chris a 5-year
> deal at Princeton. He went on a pilgrimage there, she took him with some of
> her students to see Shostakovich's Ledi Makbet at the Met <for which she
> wrote the program notes) etc.  The psychopathology of everyday life
> intervened, in the form of an existential crisis: Syrnyk somehow neglected
> to go around and take the required GRE exam, so it all fell through. (Of
> course the 5-year package would have had to be won by indian-wrestling with
> other yoonits). That year Chris (whose father died at 30, probably the
> Freudian crux of things at that time, '93 or so) was engaged to 3 women
> <serially and legitimately, I hasten to add>, married the third after
> wriggling off two hooks. (#1 was an affluent exec with Mobility
> International, #2 was a high-powered divorced grad student in complit, #3
> was and is a delightfully lovely and alert teenage checkout girl at Safeway,
> whose dad is a biker.  So you see, Syrnyk is not a complete fool.)
>
> At the moment Chris Syrnyk has applied to the Wisconsin Madison PhD program
> in Slavic, having traveled there with wife (Kelly) for their AATSEEL chapter
> conference last month.  But as soon as I read your announcement it seemed to
> me that that the kind of work (for SEEJ) and the scope of a comp lit program
> (with people like you -- and Irina? -- around) is much more the kind of
> thing, and environment, for him.  Also, that he might just prove to your
> liking as well.
>
> He reads French and/or German -- I forget exactly which.  (ONE of these is a
> requirement for our MA in Russian, but I think he has both.)
>
> Another wonderful topic he's been working on for several years is the
> concept of SMEKH in literature -- first, in PRESTUPLENIE I NAKAZANIE.  Not
> only humor, the comic, etc., but also more specifically SMEKH as action, as
> communication, as characterization.  You probably know that lately the
> psychology labs have been coming up with interesting observations about
> function of laughter across cultures, sexual boundaries, etc. But his
> interest long antedates those reports,
> I have tried to persuade him that this is a great topic for the Back Burner
 (PhD
> diss).  He's been all too impatient with his own stuff that seems an already
> projdennoe mesto, has had trouble focusing and progressing (be it dogs,
> laughter, or whatever) -- all basically the existential low-grade depressive
> anxiety, that is, common garden-variety thesis-retention.
>
> Getting him in to take his MA generals was a masterly maneuver by me, as his
> advisor.  He wanted to dangle and brood, perhaps on and on.  (I'd urged him
> to take them with some more advanced MA candidates four years ago, since
> he'd taken about all the courses we have on the books.  But he wouldn't.)
> But now he is in motion, and I think it's clear that what you describe is
> more suited to his interests, more flexible, than a traditional or
> latter-day Slavic PhD program AT THIS POINT (though that needn't be ruled
> out for later).
>
> Amidst my drafting this, he returned my call and I told him about the job
> announcement, gave him your address (not locating your phone number).  He
> will try to phone you after a day or so, we hope -- to give this letter time
> to reach you first.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jim
>
> PS Marcus Levitt's Russian Porn fest was a great thing (May 22-24),
> unbuttoned but on the highest professional level (for such filth).  I'll
> send you a copy of the program.  Kasinec was in great form, also the Kansas
> historian John Alexander (on Catherine as sex queen).  There were two
> excellent young folklorists from the Inst of World Lit, Moscow -- Andrei
> Toporkov (editor of the R. EROT. FOL'klor anthology in which "my" Kirsha
> bawdy song appeared unexpurgated as "No 1", and Vladimir Kliaus, who gave a
> preview of a planned erotic motif index of Russian folk songs.  He showed a
> great video of a village wedding near the Mongolian border.  These guys are
> not just Levi Straussian parlor ethnographers. As I was getting a van to the
> airport, Kliaus gave me a copy of his 1997 book, a motif- and
> motif-situation index (400+ pp) of East and South Slavic zagovory --
> inscribed (as I read on the plane to San Francisco) "s ogromnym uvazheniem".
> It's nice to have some respect somewhere. You'd never know it to look at my
> paycheck.
>
> Did I see your name on a list for the Dostoevsky symposium at Columbia late
> July to August 2nd?  I'm now definitely going, staying w my dear sister in
> Somers (Westchester).  She's just taken another new job as THE
> computer-records chief of TIAA-CREF, there regarded as an Inspector General
> whose enquiries into the jumbled data bases may result in execs being
> transferred - saints preserve us -- to the Aspen office!  (= Siberia) I told
> her my very modest account from years ago (Harvard '65) could stand to be
> mightily enhanced by, say, moving a decimal point one place to the right.
> Chuckling (her normal mode) she allowed it would be "child's play."  Of
> course it is out of the question, but... food for thought.
>
> Finally, about dogs, did you notice a wacky little paperback (Moskva
> "Gnozis" 1996) by Sergei Zimovets, MOLCHANIE GERASIMA. PSIKHOANALITICHESKIE
> I FILOSOFSKIE ESSE O RUSSKOI KUL'TURE -- ? -- such topics as
> "sobakochelovek", "mumufikatsiia"
> (< Mumu), Pavlov, Laika i pr.  I rushed it to Syrnyk's data base.
>
>
> ,At 09:41 PM 5/28/98 EDT, you wrote:
> >PLEASE BRING THE FOLLOWING GRADUATE TEACHING ASSISTANTSHIP POSITION
> >TO THE ATTENTION OF ANY QUALIFIED STUDENTS. Thanks.
> >------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >The Department of English at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and
> >State University has agreed to assign a GTA to
> >+Slavic and East European Journal+, which will move to Virginia
> >Tech for three years during the 1998-99 academic year.
> >
> >As of the moment, the Department does not have any students
> >in their program with background in Russian language and literature.
> >If anyone knows of an excellent student with this background who
> >may still be considering an M.A. program in English and Comparative
> >Literature beginning in the 1998-99 academic year and who
> >might be interested in and qualified for this GTA,
> >please ask him or her to contact the Director of Graduate Studies
> >in the English Dept. as soon as possible:
> >Prof. Peter Graham, Department of English, Virginia Tech,
> >Blacksburg, VA 24061-0112. E-mail: pegraham at vt.edu
> >The Department has two specialists in Slavic literatures and a number
> >of other specialists in comparative literature and literary theory,
> >in addition to specialists in all periods of English literature.
> >
> >The GTA is a twelve-month position and requires 20 hours of work on SEEJ
> >per week. It will pay slightly more than $900 per month plus a tuition waiver
> >during the academic year and a $2,400 stipend for the summer.
> >For additional information on the Editorial Assistant position, please
> >contact Prof. Stephen Baehr at the address below. For additional
> >information on the English Dept., please contact Prof. Graham directly.
> >
> >---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Stephen L. Baehr (slbaehr at vtvm1.cc.vt.edu OR slbaehr at vt.edu>
> >Professor of Russian
> >Editor-Elect, +Slavic and East European Journal+
> >Department of Foreign Languages and Literatures
> >Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
> >Blacksburg, VA 24061-0225
> >Telephone: (540)-231-8323; FAX (540) 231-4812
> >
> >


From LanceEli3 at aol.com  Sat May 30 22:15:22 1998
From: LanceEli3 at aol.com (Lance Cummings)
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 18:15:22 EDT
Subject: Russian History and Orthodox Church
Message-ID: <SAT.30.MAY.1998.181522.EDT.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Hello Seelangers,

I have a friend who is doing research on the history of the Orthodox
Church in Russia.  Do any of you have any hints?  She is particulary
looking for some nice internet sites (but any other reccomendations that
you have would surely be appreciated).

thanks,
lance


From sher07 at bellsouth.net  Sun May 31 02:39:09 1998
From: sher07 at bellsouth.net (Benjamin Sher)
Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 21:39:09 -0500
Subject: Russian History and Orthodox Church
In-Reply-To: <199805302216.SAA17378@mail4.bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <SAT.30.MAY.1998.213909.0500.>

Dear Lance:

Why not check the number of major sites and megasites on my Sher's
Russian List under Religion, also under Music, choral and, of course,
Art.

The address is at the bottom of my signature.

Hope this helps.

Yours,

Benjamin
Benjamin Sher
Russian Literary Translator
Sher's Russian Web:
http://personal.msy.bellsouth.net/msy/s/h/sher07/
Sher's Russian Index:
http://personal.msy.bellsouth.net/msy/s/h/sher07/bll-link.html


From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Sun May 31 12:55:50 1998
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 08:55:50 -0400
Subject: U.S.-UKRAINE SUMMER EXCHANGE PROGRAMS  (fwd)
Message-ID: <SUN.31.MAY.1998.085550.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

FYI

Devin P Browne
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 15:59:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Center for Civil Society International <ccsi at u.washington.edu>
Reply-To: civilsoc at SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list <civilsoc at SOLAR.RTD.UTK.EDU>
Subject: U.S.-UKRAINE SUMMER EXCHANGE PROGRAMS



                U.S.-UKRAINE SUMMER EXCHANGE PROGRAMS

The Ukrainian Catholic Education Foundation (UCEF), based in Chicago,
provides opportunities both for Ukrainian students to study or intern in
North America and for American students to volunteer as English teachers
in Ukraine for the summer.

                ---Serve in America Program---

Today's Ukrainian students have grown up without an experience of
many cultural and economic institutions typical of free societies.  By
helping in North American parishes and service agencies, students see how
vibrant programs in American communities work, contribute their own energy
and skills, and create ties with the Ukrainian community abroad.  In
particular, seminarians from Ukraine can make a rich contribution to the
liturgical and spiritual life of parishes in the diaspora.

                ---Study in America Program---

American colleges and summer programs offer a wealth of courses and study
opportunities not available in Ukraine.  Qualified students with a working
knowledge of English also benefit greatly from the introduction to
American libraries, museums, and the fullness of university life.  In
previous summers, students from Ukraine have participated in the Harvard
Summer School in Cambridge, Massachusetts and the Sheptytsky Institute's
courses in Eastern Christianity at Mt. Tabor in California.

                ---Teach in Ukraine Program---

By bringing native English speakers to Ukraine for intensive summer
institutes, the UCEF also helps Americans of non-Ukrainian backgrounds
learn about this exciting part of the world.  Past summer programs have
involved 40 volunteer teachers from North America.


        *******************************************************
        Make a difference this summer: Teach English in Ukraine
        *******************************************************

The Ukrainian Catholic Education Foundation is seeking volunteers for its
annual English Summer School.  The month-long program, currently in its
fourth year, gives participants a chance to live with Ukrainian university
students, experience Eastern Christianity, and learn about the new
challenges facing this ancient country.

No knowledge of Ukrainian is necessary.

The summer program is based in the Carpathian Mountains.  Housing is
provided in shared cabins; meals are likewise very simple. The full-day
schedule includes English use at six hours of classes, morning liturgy and
vespers, mealtime conversations, and evening activities.  Typical classes
have 7-10 students and involve a combination of reading, discussion and
exercises.

About half of the 100 students are seminarians from Lviv Theological
Academy; others come from a variety of backgrounds, including teaching and
journalism.  The English-speaking staff is principally from North America
with assistance from Ukrainian teachers.

Weekends include occasional hikes and short trips.

The summer program runs from July 8-31, but it is helpful if staff can
arrive a few days early.  Likewise, many volunteers in the past have
enjoyed staying afterwards to sightsee and visit student families, or
travel to Kiev or Poland.

Room and board are provided for volunteers.  The only real expense is
travel to Lviv (roundtrip bookings are about $900 from Boston, $1100 from
Chicago).

To apply (or for more information), please send a letter of interest, as
well as relevant experience or talents to:

Bryon L. Brindel
Ukrainian Catholic Education Foundation
2247 W. Chicago Ave.
Chicago, IL 60622
tel: 773-235-8462
fax: 773-235-8464
e-mail: UCEFCHGO at aol.com,
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From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Sun May 31 12:58:10 1998
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 08:58:10 -0400
Subject: Posting : Financial Journalists - Moscow (Russia) (fwd)
Message-ID: <SUN.31.MAY.1998.085810.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I'm a little behind in updating the AATSEEL Job Index due to it being the
end of the school year, seniors grades being due, working on the senior
edition of the school newspaper, and working on a major FL tech grant.  So
in the meantime, I'm forwarding some of these jobs on to SEELANGS.

Devin P Browne
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 23:37:08 +0530
From: SDG <sandeepgoel at yahoo.com>
To: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu
Subject: Posting : Financial Journalists - Moscow (Russia)

Dear Mr. Browne,

We wish to post the following jon listings for Russia on your AATSEEL
website.

Thanks & regards
S. Joel



Financial Journalism in Moscow, Russian Federation ( English)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 ---

We are a leading Russian language Finacial weekly newspaper, established
since 1993 with a circulation of over 60,000 in Russian Federation. We
have, with foreign investment, started an English Language Weekly,
focussing of Russian securities, investment banking, finance and
economy.

We intend to make our paper upto the industry standard and THE final
word on financial journalism in and from Russia. The competetion and the
circumstances of operating a foreign language weekly in Russia make it
an extremely challenging job for every one involved in the publication.
It is imperative that persons reading further and interested must be
highly charged, driven and competetive individuals.

Our current team has English speaking persons but for giving a wider
perpective, better flair to language and reporting, analyses based on
experience and instincts we would like foreign journalists and Editors
to join us.

The posts open are :-

Assosiate Editor   (1)
Sub Editors      (2)
Staff Writers    (2)
Re-Writers    (2)
Journalists/Field Reporters
Advertising Manager   (1)
Internet Edition Manager (1)

Relevant experience of 3-5 years is necessary but writing style, clarity
of thought, simplicty of expression and ability to write on this rather
dry subject of finance in interesting and inviting prose would be most
important considerations.

Computer proficiency and at least 300 Hours of experience on internet
are essential.

Understanding of Russia, Russian language (beginner to middle level -
spoken and written), Russian culture and of the evolution of Russian
Economy for the last 5 years would be important.

We are looking for a young team, that can be cohesive and close knit.

Patience, ability to listen & adapt, accomodate and adjust to harsh
natural conditions, work and find way through the slow, murky and opaque
conditions in economy and politics of a former communist ruled country
are essential traits in personality if you wish to succeed in Russia.

People used to too many comforts, easily irritated by bureacracy,
stone-walling & inefficiencies of system will not be able to survive and
need not apply.

We are keen on applications from the UK & Ireland but shall consider ALL
genuine candidatures.

We must forewarn that living and working conditions in Moscow will be
completely different from anywhere else in the world and can be tough on
families. We prefer single applicants.

The selected persons shall be required to move to Moscow in August 1998.

The promoters are young and ambitious. They have a hands on approach
towards business and the coporate president has had a chequered career
in Russia. He is a team leader and demands as much from his team as he
himself contributes (which usually is a lot). The promoters are open to
share options and the pay shall be in line with the present remuneration
trends in Russia.

All mail, CVs shall be considered in confidence and any further requests
shall be respected.

Further details shall be provided after receipt of firm interest and CV.

Please write to : sdg at norasco.com


From Jerry_Ervin at compuserve.com  Sun May 31 22:02:25 1998
From: Jerry_Ervin at compuserve.com (Jerry Ervin)
Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 18:02:25 -0400
Subject: Joe Malik, Jr.
Message-ID: <SUN.31.MAY.1998.180225.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

As a follow-up to my earlier message about Joe's passing:

Joe was born in Christopher, IL and moved to Texas as a child.  He received
his B.S. and M.Ed. degrees from the U of Texas, and studied at Berkely and
Penn, where he received his Ph.D.  He taught Russian and Czech at the U of
Texas for 14 years.  In 1960 he founded the U of Arizona Russian program
within the German Department.  It became independent in 1970, and Joe was
its chairman until 1985.  He retired from the U of Arizona in 1989.

Joe served as AATSEEL's Executive Secretary-Treasurer 1968-1985, longer
than any other individual before or since, and longer than the combined
terms of his four predecessors in the job.  During his term he worked with
five editors of SEEJ and five editors of the Newsletter.

Those years were a period of sharply declining Russian enrollments, which
in turn meant sharply declining numbers of faculty positions in Russian and
other Slavic languages, which in turn meant sharply declining membership in
AATSEEL.  Nevertheless, over those years Joe brought AATSEEL from a
precarious--often deficit--funding position to one of relative financial
security.  Under his leadership the annual AATSEEL meetings grew from nine
or ten sessions to over 60 each year, providing expanded opportunities for
younger scholars to give papers and to interact with senior scholars in our
field.

When Joe stepped down from his AATSEEL duties in 1985, AATSEEL gave him an
Outstanding Service Award, which read, "Presented with deep appreciation to
Joe Malik, Jr., 'Mr. AATSEEL,' national Executive Secretary-Treasurer,
1968-85."  Subsequently AATSEEL established the "Joe Malik Award for
Outstanding Service to AATSEEL."  It is the only named award that AATSEEL
presents.

Joe is survived by his wife, Pauline; daughters, Lisa Malik and Tamara Jo
Dillon; son Joe Malik III; grandchildren Michael Joe and Daniel James
Dillon and Julia Michele and Joe Paul Malik.  Also surviving are brothers,
Edward, Oscar and Noble Malik and sister Emily Gush.  Cards may be sent to
the Malik family at their home, 6933 E Calle Canis, 85710.  In lieu of
flowers, memorials may be made to The Heart Fund, The Alzheimers
Association Southern Arizona Chapter, and the Tucson Memorial Society.

*  *  *  *  *
Gerard L. (Jerry) Ervin
Executive Director, American Ass'n of Teachers of 
Slavic & E European Languages (AATSEEL)
1933 N. Fountain Park Dr., Tucson, AZ 85715 USA
Phone/fax:  520/885-2663
Email:  76703.2063 at compuserve.com
AATSEEL Home Page: <http://clover.slavic.pitt.edu/~aatseel/>
*  *  *  *  *