Devin For karavay you might check out a picture of same on p 112 of second edition Russian's World. Not to mention the index. Ispekli my = We baked gg -- Genevra Gerhart http://www.wolfenet.com/~ggerhart/ 2134 E. Interlaken Bl. Tel. 206/329-0053 Seattle, WA 98112 ggerhart at wolfenet.com