From sher07 at bellsouth.net  Mon Nov  1 07:00:49 1999
From: sher07 at bellsouth.net (Benjamin Sher)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 01:00:49 -0600
Subject: TV Center News in Russian
Message-ID: <MON.1.NOV.1999.010049.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear friends:

You can view a 40-minute daily on-demand Russian-language news program
in 56k at:

http://www.tvc.ru

Be sure to follow the special instructions for using RealPlayer G2 under
Pomoshch' at left.

Benjamin

P. S. Will resume updating my Index by the end of the year.
--

Benjamin and Anna Sher
Email:sher07 at bellsouth.net
Sher's Russian Web
http://www.websher.net


From holdeman.2 at osu.edu  Mon Nov  1 09:06:39 1999
From: holdeman.2 at osu.edu (Jeff Holdeman)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 04:06:39 -0500
Subject: Slavic and East European Bookstores page updated
In-Reply-To: <381D3AA1.76B4BB39@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <MON.1.NOV.1999.040639.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear bibliophiles,

I have recently updated my list of over 50 Slavic and East European
bookstores around the world.  When possible, I contacted each bookstore by
e-mail and asked that they verify the information in their entry.  Most of
their responses have now been received and their entries updated.

Each entry contains (when possible) the bookstore's name, mailing address,
phone and fax numbers, e-mail and website addresses, languages of subject
matter, types of materials, types of media, and age of materials (new,
used, out-of-print).

I have tried to ensure that these stores deal either exclusively in Slavic
and East European materials, or at least have substantial S&EE holdings.
Many of these stores have on-line catalogs or hard copies of catalogs upon
request.

The list can be found at:

http://www.slavic.ohio-state.edu/people/holdeman/seebooks.htm

or a link to it can be found on the AATSEEL homepage under Resources for
Teaching at:

http://clover.slavic.pitt.edu/~aatseel/index.html

Any additions, corrections or comments are welcome off-list.

Jeff Holdeman
The Ohio State University
holdeman.2 at osu.edu


From c0654038 at techst02.technion.ac.il  Mon Nov  1 10:55:59 1999
From: c0654038 at techst02.technion.ac.il (Alexey I. Fuchs)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 12:55:59 +0200
Subject: Russian translation of 'compassionate conservatism'?
In-Reply-To: <029901bf2347$db65df40$c3a294d1@roborr.uottawa.ca>
Message-ID: <MON.1.NOV.1999.125559.0200.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I suggest there's no "mokrost'" in Russian, unless I miss something.
I do not know in which context the connection between "mokrost'" and
"compassionate conservatism" should appear, but the suggestions for the
notion are either "mokrota" (with accentuation on "a", as opposed to
mokr'ota) or "vlazhnost'," meaning humidity.

If I did miss something, excuse me and let me know.

                                                        A.Fuchs



On Sat, 30 Oct 1999, Robert Orr wrote:

> There is temptation here to calque on (perhaps receding) British usage and
> suggest "mokrost'" for "compassionate conservatism".
>
> Robert Orr
>
>
> >Yes, Denis. Of course.
> >However, since the term has been coined by George W. Bush, we should take
> >into account whether he would welcome this parallel; and I do not think
> >so because it would be an outrage attack against conservatism per se, and
> >I can assure you that it would be the least of what he would desire.
> >
> >Edward Dumanis <dumanis at acsu.buffalo.edu>
> >
> >On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Denis Akhapkine wrote:
> >
> >> I agree with Edward.
> >> It should be translated also word-by-word: KONSERWATIZM S ^ELOWE^ESKIM
> >> LICOM "konservatizm s chelovecheskim licom"
> >>
> >> Denis Akhapkine
> >>
> >> > I am sorry but I disagree.
> >> > Umerennyj konservatizm is not a right term.
> >> > "Compassionate conservatism" is a term reminding me "socialism with a
> >> > human face," and should be translated in a similar manner: e.g.,
> >> > "konservatizm, chuvstvitel'nyj k ljudskim stradanijam" or just
> >> > "sostradatel'nyj konservatim."  However, because the term is a new one,
> I
> >> > am not yet aware of its usage in Russia.
> >> >
> >> > Sincerely,
> >> >
> >> > Edward Dumanis <dumanis at acsu.buffalo.edu>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Denis Akhapkine                                 phone +7 (812) 552-9750
> (home)
> >> Department of Russian Language                  e-mail
> denis at da2938.spb.edu
> >> Faculty of Philology
> >> Saint-Petersburg State University
> >> Universitetskaya nab. 11
> >> Saint-Petersburg
> >> 199034, Russia
> >>
> >
>


From a.jameson at dial.pipex.com  Mon Nov  1 13:01:10 1999
From: a.jameson at dial.pipex.com (Andrew Jameson)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 13:01:10 -0000
Subject: Russian translation of 'compassionate conservatism'?
Message-ID: <MON.1.NOV.1999.130110.0000.>

Russian doesn't use this metaphor at all, as far as I know,
but it comes from the Thatcher cabinet days and draws on the
argo of the English public (which here means private and upper
class) school. If you were a more gentle and understanding type
you were labelled "wet" by your fellows.
Andrew Jameson
Chair, Russian Committee, ALL
Languages and Professional Development
1 Brook Street, Lancaster LA1 1SL UK
Tel: 01524 32371  (+44 1524 32371)

----------
From: Alexey I. Fuchs <c0654038 at techst02.technion.ac.il>
To: SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Re: Russian translation of 'compassionate conservatism'?
Date: 01 November 1999 10:55

I suggest there's no "mokrost'" in Russian, unless I miss something.
I do not know in which context the connection between "mokrost'" and
"compassionate conservatism" should appear, but the suggestions for the
notion are either "mokrota" (with accentuation on "a", as opposed to
mokr'ota) or "vlazhnost'," meaning humidity.

If I did miss something, excuse me and let me know.

                                                        A.Fuchs



On Sat, 30 Oct 1999, Robert Orr wrote:

> There is temptation here to calque on (perhaps receding) British usage and
> suggest "mokrost'" for "compassionate conservatism".
>
> Robert Orr
>
>
> >Yes, Denis. Of course.
> >However, since the term has been coined by George W. Bush, we should take
> >into account whether he would welcome this parallel; and I do not think
> >so because it would be an outrage attack against conservatism per se, and
> >I can assure you that it would be the least of what he would desire.
> >
> >Edward Dumanis <dumanis at acsu.buffalo.edu>
> >
> >On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, Denis Akhapkine wrote:
> >
> >> I agree with Edward.
> >> It should be translated also word-by-word: KONSERWATIZM S ^ELOWE^ESKIM
> >> LICOM "konservatizm s chelovecheskim licom"
> >>
> >> Denis Akhapkine
> >>
> >> > I am sorry but I disagree.
> >> > Umerennyj konservatizm is not a right term.
> >> > "Compassionate conservatism" is a term reminding me "socialism with a
> >> > human face," and should be translated in a similar manner: e.g.,
> >> > "konservatizm, chuvstvitel'nyj k ljudskim stradanijam" or just
> >> > "sostradatel'nyj konservatim."  However, because the term is a new one,
> I
> >> > am not yet aware of its usage in Russia.
> >> >
> >> > Sincerely,
> >> >
> >> > Edward Dumanis <dumanis at acsu.buffalo.edu>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Denis Akhapkine                                 phone +7 (812) 552-9750
> (home)
> >> Department of Russian Language                  e-mail
> denis at da2938.spb.edu
> >> Faculty of Philology
> >> Saint-Petersburg State University
> >> Universitetskaya nab. 11
> >> Saint-Petersburg
> >> 199034, Russia
> >>
> >
>


From aisrael at american.edu  Mon Nov  1 13:31:31 1999
From: aisrael at american.edu (Alina Israeli)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 08:31:31 -0500
Subject: Russian translation of 'compassionate conservatism'?
Message-ID: <MON.1.NOV.1999.083131.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I suggest "boleznyj" (tongue in cheek).

>Russian doesn't use this metaphor at all, as far as I know,
>but it comes from the Thatcher cabinet days and draws on the
>argo of the English public (which here means private and upper
>class) school. If you were a more gentle and understanding type
>you were labelled "wet" by your fellows.
>Andrew Jameson
>Chair, Russian Committee, ALL
>Languages and Professional Development
>1 Brook Street, Lancaster LA1 1SL UK
>Tel: 01524 32371  (+44 1524 32371)

**************************************************************
Alina Israeli
LFS, American University                phone:  (202) 885-2387
4400 Mass. Ave., NW                     fax:    (202) 885-1076
Washington, DC 20016

aisrael at american.edu


From Alyssa.W.Dinega.1 at nd.edu  Mon Nov  1 17:07:06 1999
From: Alyssa.W.Dinega.1 at nd.edu (Alyssa W Dinega)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:07:06 -0800
Subject: Vendors of subtitled Russian films
In-Reply-To: <199910300402.XAA16269@dagger.nd.edu>
Message-ID: <MON.1.NOV.1999.090706.0800.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Thanks so much to everyone who gave suggestions both on and off-list.
Since several people requested that I post responses, here are those which
came to me individually:

www.reel.com
http://www.slavophilia.net/book.htm
http://www.videoflicks.com/cgi-win/DoCategory1.exe?200010,200072
http://bookswithoutborders.com/

I'm looking forward to exploring all of these possibilities.

Best wishes,
Alyssa Dinega

*************************
Dr. Alyssa W. Dinega
Assistant Professor of Russian
Department of German and Russian
318 O'Shaughnessy Hall
University of Notre Dame
Notre Dame, Indiana 46556

tel. (219) 631-3849
fax (219) 631-8209

Alyssa.W.Dinega.1 at nd.edu


From beyer at jaguar.middlebury.edu  Mon Nov  1 14:43:55 1999
From: beyer at jaguar.middlebury.edu (Beyer, Tom)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 09:43:55 -0500
Subject: Russian for traveling
Message-ID: <MON.1.NOV.1999.094355.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

An inexpensive and do-able course is Now You're Talking Russian from
Barron's
The book alone without cassettes is called Russian at a Glance.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elizabeth Sara Yellen [SMTP:eyellen at umich.edu]
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 1999 3:38 PM
> To:   SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
> Subject:      Russian for traveling
>
>
> Dear SEELANGers,
>
> This winter I am teaching an adult ed "crash course" (8 hours total) on
> basic Russian for traveling. Have any of you ever taught such a course,
> and if so, do you have a favorite text you would recommend that I use?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Elizabeth Yellen


From daf at meirionnydd.force9.co.uk  Mon Nov  1 16:10:41 1999
From: daf at meirionnydd.force9.co.uk (Daf)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:10:41 -0000
Subject: Russian translation of 'compassionate conservatism'?
Message-ID: <MON.1.NOV.1999.161041.0000.>

> I suggest there's no "mokrost'" in Russian, unless I miss something.
> I do not know in which context the connection between "mokrost'" and
> "compassionate conservatism" should appear, but the suggestions for the
> notion are either "mokrota" (with accentuation on "a", as opposed to
> mokr'ota) or "vlazhnost'," meaning humidity.
>
> If I did miss something, excuse me and let me know.
Mrs. Thatcher, if I remember rightly, referred to members of her party who
showed liberal tendencies as 'wet'. It became a familiar term used in the
press about Tory MPs who were not very right wing.
Daf  [web page-http://www.meirionnydd.force9.co.uk]


From dsdanaher at facstaff.wisc.edu  Mon Nov  1 20:54:44 1999
From: dsdanaher at facstaff.wisc.edu (David S. Danaher)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:54:44 -0600
Subject: searching for article by E. V. Urysin
Message-ID: <MON.1.NOV.1999.145444.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Seelangers,

I recently came across a reference (in a 1993 article) to research by a
Russian linguist, E. V. Urysin, on the semantics of 'strax' and 'zhalost''.
The research was then either in progress or perhaps even in press, but the
reference did not provide a journal, collection, or monograph title.

Does anyone know of Urysin's work and whether/where it has appeared?

Please respond to me off list (<dsdanaher at facstaff.wisc.edu>), and thank
you in advance,

David



*********************************
David S. Danaher, Assistant Professor
Slavic Languages, 1432 Van Hise
University of Wisconsin-Madison
Madison, WI  53706
<dsdanaher at facstaff.wisc.edu>


From colkitto at sprint.ca  Tue Nov  2 01:25:59 1999
From: colkitto at sprint.ca (Robert Orr)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:25:59 -0500
Subject: Russian translation of 'compassionate conservatism'?
Message-ID: <MON.1.NOV.1999.202559.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>Russian doesn't use this metaphor at all, as far as I know,
>but it comes from the Thatcher cabinet days and draws on the
>argo of the English public (which here means private and upper
>class) school. If you were a more gentle and understanding type
>you were labelled "wet" by your fellows.



This usage actually percolated far further down (?!) than the above would
imply.  I did not attend a "private upper class" school, but I remember the
epithet from long before the Thatcher era.

A Canadian equivalent might be "krasnyj (!?) konservatizm" (torizm)'

Robert Orr
>


From harvey.goldblatt at yale.edu  Tue Nov  2 15:29:47 1999
From: harvey.goldblatt at yale.edu (Harvey Goldblatt)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:29:47 -0400
Subject: Lector Position in Polish
Message-ID: <TUE.2.NOV.1999.112947.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>


Lector Position in Polish
Department of Slavic Langs & Lits
Yale University



Yale U                     P.O. Box 208236
Slavic Langs & Lits        New Haven  CT  06520-8236

Polish lang. and lit./culture lecturer (Lector), beginning Sept. '00.  One
year appointment, renewal possible.  Fluent English & Polish, appropriate
pedagogical training and experience, commitment to undergraduate teaching.
Experience in using technology in teaching desirable.  Interviews at
AATSEEL and/or New Haven.  Send cover letter, curriculum vitae, and at
least three letters of recommendation by Dec. 1, 1999 to Prof. H.
Goldblatt, Chair, Slavic Dept.  Yale is an equal opportunity/affirmative
action employer.







Harvey Goldblatt, Ph.D.
Professor of Medieval Slavic Literature
Chair, Slavic Languages and Literatures
Master, Pierson College
Yale University
P.O. Box 208247
New Haven, CT 06520-8247
Tel.    (203) 432-1031
Fax.    (203) 432-1041
E-Mail: harvey.goldblatt at yale.edu
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From harvey.goldblatt at yale.edu  Tue Nov  2 15:41:05 1999
From: harvey.goldblatt at yale.edu (Harvey Goldblatt)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:41:05 -0400
Subject: Assistant Professor of Slavic Langs & Lits
Message-ID: <TUE.2.NOV.1999.114105.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>


Assistant Professor of Slavic Langs & Lits
Yale University





Yale U    PO Box 208236
Slavic Languages and Literatures                New Haven, CT 06520-8236

Asst. Prof. in Slavic Langs. and Lits., beginning Sept. '00, 4-yr. appt.
w/possibility of renewal.  Ph.D. in Slavic Linguistics and ability to teach
grad. lings courses preferred.  Fluent Russian & English.  Supervise lang.
programs, demonstrated experience in Russ. lang. teaching and training in
lang. pedagogy, commitment to scholarship.  Applications w/at least 3
letters of ref., or nominations, by Dec. 1, to Prof. H. Goldblatt, Chair.
Interviews at AATSEEL and/or New Haven.  Yale is an equal
opportunity/affirmative action employer.








Harvey Goldblatt, Ph.D.
Professor of Medieval Slavic Literature
Chair, Slavic Languages and Literatures
Master, Pierson College
Yale University
P.O. Box 208247
New Haven, CT 06520-8247
Tel.    (203) 432-1031
Fax.    (203) 432-1041
E-Mail: harvey.goldblatt at yale.edu
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From Lvisson at aol.com  Tue Nov  2 16:30:54 1999
From: Lvisson at aol.com (Lynn Visson)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:30:54 EST
Subject: Book for Russian culture courses
Message-ID: <TUE.2.NOV.1999.113054.EST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

For Russian culture courses in English I'd recommend a newly published book,
"Russia"  An Illustrated History," by Joel Carmichael (Hippocrene Books:  NY,
1999). An overview from the beginnings of Russian history to Gorbachev, good
background material, about 250 pages, lively style.


From rondest+ at pitt.edu  Tue Nov  2 17:09:40 1999
From: rondest+ at pitt.edu (Karen A Rondestvedt)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:09:40 -0500
Subject: Central European University Summer Program Application (fwd)
Message-ID: <TUE.2.NOV.1999.120940.0500.RONDEST@PITT.EDU>

Forwarding this, with apologies for any duplication. This posting is all I
know about the program. Please see the Web site indicated for details and
contact the original sender with questions or requests for paper copies of
the application materials.

Karen


-*-  Karen Rondestvedt                         G-20X Hillman Library
-*-  Slavic Bibliographer and                  University of Pittsburgh
-*-  Temporary Bibliographer for               Pittsburgh, PA 15260 USA
-*-    German Language & Literature            tel: (412) 648-7791
-*-  University of Pittsburgh Library System
-*-  rondest+ at pitt.edu                         fax: (412) 648-7798 or
-*-  Web: http://www.pitt.edu/~rondest/             (412) 648-7887
        DO NOT SEND FAXES TO MY PHONE NUMBER. YOU WILL NOT GET THROUGH.

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From tarn at chass.utoronto.ca  Tue Nov  2 19:28:15 1999
From: tarn at chass.utoronto.ca (Maxim Tarnawsky)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:28:15 -0500
Subject: New Ukrainian Position in Toronto
Message-ID: <TUE.2.NOV.1999.142815.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I am delighted to report that this position is now approved and we invite
candidates to apply. The search is not limited to Canadians, but
immigration rules dictate that they receive first consideration.

Ukrainian Literature and Language


The Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures at the University of
Toronto invites applications for a tenure-stream appointment in Ukrainian
Literature and Language at the rank of Assistant Professor. The appointment
will commence on July 1, 2000.  The successful candidate must have a PhD,
demonstrate promise or significant achievement in research and publication
in a field of Ukrainian literature or Ukrainian language, and show
competence in teaching Ukrainian literature and Ukrainian language.  The
successful candidate will be expected to teach undergraduate and graduate
courses in any or all of the following: Ukrainian literature (both in the
original and in translation) from its origins to the present day,
Ukrainian culture and civilization, and Ukrainian language from beginners'
to advanced levels. Competence in a second field of Slavic literature or
linguistics also required. Familiarity with recent developments in literary
theory and cultural developments in Ukraine will be considered an asset.
Salary:  commensurate with qualifications and experience.

Please send your curriculum vitae, letter of application, and names of
three referees to:  Professor Christopher Barnes, Department of Slavic
Languages and Literatures, 21 Sussex Ave., Toronto, Ontario, M5S 1A1.
Application deadline: 31 January 2000.

In accordance with Canadian immigration requirements, Canadian citizens and
permanent residents will be considered first for this position.

In accordance with its employment equity policy, the University of Toronto
encourages applications from qualified men and women, members of visible
minorities, aboriginal peoples and persons with disabilities.
_____________________________
Maxim Tarnawsky,  tarn at chass.utoronto.ca   (Ìàêñèì Òàðíàâñüêèé)
Canadian Institute of Ukrainian Studies Press
Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures
University of Toronto,  21 Sussex Avenue.   Toronto, Ont. M5S 1A1
tel: 416-978-8240;       FAX: 416-978-2672;       http://www.utoronto.ca/cius


From cinkhars at pol.com  Wed Nov  3 09:41:06 1999
From: cinkhars at pol.com (David Paul Brokaw)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 04:41:06 -0500
Subject: Cyrillic and E-mail
In-Reply-To: <380ED682.ABB5278C@uol.com.br>
Message-ID: <WED.3.NOV.1999.044106.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Mr. Richard Robin and Mr. Mykola Szoma:

I thank you for you help with my question on reading Cyrillic sent in the
body of an e-mail.  Unfortunately, I still have not solved my problem, but
then again, the yers are still fallen.

Sincerely,

David Brokaw


From momryk at cyberus.ca  Wed Nov  3 01:17:18 1999
From: momryk at cyberus.ca (Christine Habrowych)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:17:18 -0400
Subject: Vendors of subtitled Russian films
Message-ID: <TUE.2.NOV.1999.211718.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Alyssa W Dinega wrote:
>
> www.reel.com
> http://www.slavophilia.net/book.htm
> http://www.videoflicks.com/cgi-win/DoCategory1.exe?200010,200072
> http://bookswithoutborders.com/
>

Here's one more to add to the list:

www.audioforum.com

Khrystia H.


From mgorham at ufl.edu  Wed Nov  3 11:54:49 1999
From: mgorham at ufl.edu (Michael Gorham)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 07:54:49 -0400
Subject: job announcement/U. of Florida
Message-ID: <WED.3.NOV.1999.075449.0400.>

Dear Colleagues:

Thank you for passing on the following information, which should also be
appearing soon in newsletters, to qualified candidates.

Best,


Michael Gorham

------

University of Florida
Germanic and Slavic Studies, Gainesville, Florida 32611

Tenure-Track, Assistant Professor of Slavic Studies

Appointment beginning August 2000. Areas of specialization: Russian
language and culture, with a secondary interest and proficiency in a
second Slavic language, preferably Serbo-Croatian. Near native fluency
required. Ph.D. preferred, A.B.D. considered. Interest in developing an
interdisciplinary program in Slavic area studies desirable. Salary
competitive. Preliminary interviews will be conducted at both AAASS and
AATSEEL conferences. Send letter of application that includes a cover
letter outlining teaching and research interests, a writing sample,
C.V., and three letters of recommendation to Professor Keith Bullivant,
Chair, Department of Germanic and Slavic Studies, PO Box 117430,
University of Florida, Gainesville, FL 32611-7430 by December 15, 1999
(Nov. 10 for interviews at AAASS). Enquiries to: kbulli at germslav.ufl.edu
or fax: (352) 392-1067. The University of Florida is an AA/EOE employer.


-----------------------------
Michael S. Gorham
Department of Germanic and Slavic Studies
263 Dauer Hall
P.O. Box 117430
Gainesville, FL 32611-7430
Phone: 352-392-2101 ex. 206
Fax: 352-392-1067
Email: mgorham at germslav.ufl.edu


From c0654038 at techst02.technion.ac.il  Wed Nov  3 13:58:11 1999
From: c0654038 at techst02.technion.ac.il (Alexey I. Fuchs)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:58:11 +0200
Subject: A couple of questions about etymology
In-Reply-To: <38202287.E0888445@ufl.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.3.NOV.1999.155811.0200.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

        Hello,

        I am trying to trace a couple of slavic words to their roots.
        The words for example are:

                1.Doroga (road, Rus.) - I am trying to connect it to
Hebrew "derekh," taking onto account, apart from phonological similarity,
the unusual gender of the Hebrew word - it's feminine. The reason for
being feminine in Hebrew is irrelevant, but the fact itself seems to
emphasize the connection (light evidence, though).
                2. Shlyakh (way, Ukr.) - there is a temptation to relate
it to Russian "shlyat'sya" (I cannot recall a Ukrainian verb of the same
origin), but I tend to think it appeared later. Again, in the language of
the Bible, "lishloah" (li- is an infinitive indication, the root is
sh.l.h [Hebrew roots are three letters, due to inner flection]) means "to
send."

        I do not have too much access to etymological dictionaries of
Slavic languages, apart from Chernykh, I do not possess any, please direct
me or directly help me.

        There are more words to relate to Hebrew/Arabic/other Afro-Asiatic
languages, but for now these would suffice. :)

        More generally, I am interested in Slavic connections to
Afro-Asiatic tongues - why, when, etc.

                                                Thanks in advance,
                                                        Alexey Fuchs


From cronk at gac.edu  Wed Nov  3 17:46:01 1999
From: cronk at gac.edu (Denis Crnkovic)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:46:01 -0600
Subject: Job ann. Leave replacement
Message-ID: <WED.3.NOV.1999.114601.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

The following position is open for Fall, 2000:

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replacement for Fall semester 2000 to teach three courses in Russian
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have a commitment to contributing to a small program at a strong liberal
arts institution. Send letter of application and placement folder including
curriculum vitae and three letters of reference by December 6, 1999 to:
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--------------------------


From slayman at fas.harvard.edu  Wed Nov  3 19:21:20 1999
From: slayman at fas.harvard.edu (Rachel Slayman)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:21:20 -0500
Subject: Vendors of subtitled Russian films
In-Reply-To: <381F8CE6.6C5C@cyberus.ca>
Message-ID: <WED.3.NOV.1999.142120.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

www.top1video.com  has a good selection of films in Russian, and also
sells subtitled versions


On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, Christine Habrowych wrote:

> Alyssa W Dinega wrote:
> >
> > www.reel.com
> > http://www.slavophilia.net/book.htm
> > http://www.videoflicks.com/cgi-win/DoCategory1.exe?200010,200072
> > http://bookswithoutborders.com/
> >
>
> Here's one more to add to the list:
>
> www.audioforum.com
>
> Khrystia H.
>


From denis at DA2938.spb.edu  Wed Nov  3 23:12:18 1999
From: denis at DA2938.spb.edu (Denis Akhapkine)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:12:18 +0300
Subject: A couple of questions about etymology
Message-ID: <THU.4.NOV.1999.021218.0300.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Zdravstvuyte Aleksey i drugie seelangovcy
Otvechayu po poryadku
1) doroga
Fasmer (kak i pochti vse drugie avtoritetnie slovari) vozvodit yeto
slovo k indoevropeyskomu *dorgh- , chto svyazano s rus. glagolom "dergat'"
i oznachaet "prodrannoe v lesu prostranstvo"
2) shlyah
zaimstvovano cherez pol'sk. szlach, chesh. s^lak "sled, koleya" iz
sredneverhnenemetskogo slag, slac "koleya, sled, doroga", novoverhnenem.
Schlag "udar"
2a) shlyat'sya (dial. slyat'sya)
soglasno Sobolevskomu - iz *s&lati se, (& - yeto er) svyazannogo so "slat'"

Esli nuzhna bolee podrobnaya informatsiya - pishite, Fasmer pod rukoy.
Naschet afraziyskih yazikov s hodu ne vspomnyu, no pomnyu, chto videl
knizhku ili stat'yu pro arabskie zaimstvovaniya. Esli nuzhno - poprobuyu
vspomnit' tochnee.

Vsego dobrogo.

Denis Akhapkine

PS: Transliteratsiya avtomaticheskaya, tak chto uzhasnaya.

--
Denis Akhapkine                                 phone +7 (812) 552-9750 (home)
Department of Russian Language                  e-mail denis at da2938.spb.edu
Faculty of Philology
Saint-Petersburg State University
Universitetskaya nab. 11
Saint-Petersburg
199034, Russia


From sblackwe at utk.edu  Thu Nov  4 00:56:17 1999
From: sblackwe at utk.edu (Stephen Blackwell)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:56:17 -0500
Subject: Dostoevsky Webcast
Message-ID: <WED.3.NOV.1999.195617.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Colleagues

You are invited to view a webcast of a presentation and dramatic reading
of Dostoevsky's "Grand Inquisitor" (in English), by translatr Ignat Avsey
and actor Roger Heathcott.  The program is being broadcast as a test
application of the university of Tennessee's new video streaming
technology.  If you watch some or all of the event, please do let me know
how effective you find the technical aspects of the webcast.  Any feedback
will be appreciated.  Your students, of course, are also invited to watch.
A 56k modem connection should suffice, but an ISDN or ethernet connection
will give the best quality.

7pm, tomorrow, Thursday, November 4 via the following URL:
 http://dii.utk.edu/research/video/webcast


UTK Absurd Festival: funnelweb.utcc.utk.edu/~germslav/absurd.htm

Stephen H. Blackwell                            office: 423/974-3421
Assistant Professor of Russian                  fax: 423/974-7096
Department of Germanic, Slavic, and Asian Languages     sblackwe at utk.edu
701 McClung Tower
University of Tennessee
Knoxville TN 37996


From hetzer at uni-bremen.de  Thu Nov  4 11:45:39 1999
From: hetzer at uni-bremen.de (AHetzer)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:45:39 +0100
Subject: A couple of questions about etymology
Message-ID: <THU.4.NOV.1999.124539.0100.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

"Alexey I. Fuchs" schrieb:
>
>         Hello,
>
>         I am trying to trace a couple of slavic words to their roots.
>         The words for example are:
>
>                 1.Doroga (road, Rus.) - I am trying to connect it to
> Hebrew "derekh," taking onto account, apart from phonological similarity,
> the unusual gender of the Hebrew word - it's feminine. The reason for
> being feminine in Hebrew is irrelevant, but the fact itself seems to
> emphasize the connection (light evidence, though).
>                 2. Shlyakh (way, Ukr.) - there is a temptation to relate
> it to Russian "shlyat'sya" (I cannot recall a Ukrainian verb of the same
> origin), but I tend to think it appeared later. Again, in the language of
> the Bible, "lishloah" (li- is an infinitive indication, the root is
> sh.l.h [Hebrew roots are three letters, due to inner flection]) means "to
> send."

snip                                                 Thanks in advance,
>                                                         Alexey Fuchs

--

As a thumb rule, one can say that some words in Hebrew and IE languages
are similar by mere coincidence, although there are several theories
about the common origin of Semitic and IE languages. Exceptions are
several technical terms and/or proper names, e. g. Messias/messiya.

For serious purposes, Max Vasmer's Russian Etymological Dictionary (in
German and Russian translation: Maks Fasmer) is the best reference work.


From daf at meirionnydd.force9.co.uk  Wed Nov  3 16:08:41 1999
From: daf at meirionnydd.force9.co.uk (Daf)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:08:41 -0000
Subject: Book for Russian culture courses
Message-ID: <WED.3.NOV.1999.160841.0000.>

>For Russian culture courses in English<
Seeing this made me think that here would be a good place to ask for some
similar advice.
I am translating Pushkin's notes for the book he didn't write on Peter the
Great. It is full of obscure terms for things that are rather too
historical for dictionaries. I wonder if there exists something like a list
in English of Peter's ukazes. If anyone can advise I'd be most grateful.
I'm fairly well OK on the text part in spite of the note form, but those
lists of edicts are driving me up the wall.
Daf  [web page-http://www.meirionnydd.force9.co.uk]


From sforres1 at swarthmore.edu  Thu Nov  4 20:05:33 1999
From: sforres1 at swarthmore.edu (Sibelan Forrester)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:05:33 -0500
Subject: Herbert reading in Philadelphia Nov. 10
Message-ID: <THU.4.NOV.1999.150533.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Wednesday Nov 10, 7:30: a Celebration of the Poetry of Zbigniew Herbert
(1924-1998), poet, playwright, essayist, with readings from *Mr. Cogito*,
*Chord of Light*, *Hermes, Dog and Star*, *Report from the Besieged City*
and *Epilogue of Thunderstorm*, with poets Lili Bita, Christine Bork, Bill
Burrison, Shulamith Caine, Leszek Chudzinski, Eileen D'Angelo, Katarzyna
Newcomer, Barbara Ilnicka, Fereshteh Sholevar, and Robert Zaller.  Polish
American Cultural Center, 308 Walnut, 215-922-1700.  Reception at 7:15.


From as at ticom.kharkov.ua  Thu Nov  4 12:19:05 1999
From: as at ticom.kharkov.ua (Alex)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:19:05 +0200
Subject: A couple of questions about etymology
Message-ID: <THU.4.NOV.1999.141905.0200.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

> Zdravstvuyte Aleksey i drugie seelangovcy
> Otvechayu po poryadku
> 1) doroga
> Fasmer (kak i pochti vse drugie avtoritetnie slovari) vozvodit yeto
> slovo k indoevropeyskomu *dorgh- , chto svyazano s rus. glagolom "dergat'"
> i oznachaet "prodrannoe v lesu prostranstvo"
> 2) shlyah
> zaimstvovano cherez pol'sk. szlach, chesh. s^lak "sled, koleya" iz
> sredneverhnenemetskogo slag, slac "koleya, sled, doroga", novoverhnenem.
> Schlag "udar"
> 2a) shlyat'sya (dial. slyat'sya)
> soglasno Sobolevskomu - iz *s&lati se, (& - yeto er) svyazannogo so "slat'"
>
> Esli nuzhna bolee podrobnaya informatsiya - pishite, Fasmer pod rukoy.
> Naschet afraziyskih yazikov s hodu ne vspomnyu, no pomnyu, chto videl
> knizhku ili stat'yu pro arabskie zaimstvovaniya. Esli nuzhno - poprobuyu
> vspomnit' tochnee.
.................
> PS: Transliteratsiya avtomaticheskaya, tak chto uzhasnaya.

Precisely!

I am a native Russian speaker and it took me a long time to read this message.
It's really awful. I can only imagine how difficult it is for non-native
speakers...

I've got an idea. Dear seelangs teachers of Russian. Could you take this piece
of a text and ask some Russian learners (beginners desirably) to "translate"
it back to cyrillic? See what happens. Perhaps you will ensure that this
 approach
is not just incorrect - it might be really dangerous.

Regards

Alex


From bobick at accessone.com  Thu Nov  4 20:15:36 1999
From: bobick at accessone.com (Stephen Bobick)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:15:36 -0800
Subject: A couple of questions about etymology
In-Reply-To: <382179B9.FD076210@ticom.kharkov.ua>
Message-ID: <THU.4.NOV.1999.121536.0800.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

  >> PS: Transliteratsiya avtomaticheskaya, tak chto uzhasnaya.

  Alex:
  > Precisely!
  > I am a native Russian speaker and it took me a long time to read this
  > message.  It's really awful. I can only imagine how difficult it is
  > for non-native speakers...

Moj rodnoj yazyk -- anglijs'kij.  U menya ne bylo nikakikh problem,
chitaya soobshcheniye.  Delo v tom, chto prosto treba pryvyknut' do
transliteraciyi.

-- Stepan


From henryk.duda at mail.usa.com  Fri Nov  5 00:52:03 1999
From: henryk.duda at mail.usa.com (Henryk Duda)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:52:03 EST
Subject: A couple of questions about etymology
Message-ID: <THU.4.NOV.1999.195203.EST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

"Alexey I. Fuchs" wrote:

>         I am trying to trace a couple of slavic words to their roots.
>         The words for example are:
>
>                 1.Doroga (road, Rus.) - I am trying to connect it to
> Hebrew "derekh," taking onto account, apart from phonological similarity,
> the unusual gender of the Hebrew word - it's feminine. The reason for
> being feminine in Hebrew is irrelevant, but the fact itself seems to
> emphasize the connection (light evidence, though).

I think Hebrew "derekh" may be related to arabic "daraga" 'to go, to
walk, to move, to proceed' and to other words in
Afroasiatic languages, for instance Akkadian "daraggu" 'path'. See
Bomhard, A. and J. C. Kerns 1994:272.

According to Bomhard & Kerns Proto-Afroasiatic stem *dar-/*der- 'to go,
to walk, to proceed; to wrap, to wind, to twist' and Proto-Indo-European
*d[h]erg[h] 'to turn' are both of the same origin - from Proto-Nostratic
*dar-/*der- 'to bend, to twist, to turn'.

Is the Proto-Slavonic *dorga (> Russian "doroga", Polish "droga", Old
Church Slavonic "draga") related to this Proto-Indo-European
*d[h]erg[h]? I am not sure.

Bomhard, A. and J. C. Kerns, 1994, The Nostratic Macrofamily. A Study in
Distant Linguistic Relationship, Berlin, New York:Mouton de Gruyter.


Dr Henryk Duda
--
Katolicki Uniwersytet Lubelski
Katedra Jjzyka Polskiego

e-mail: henryk.duda at kul.lublin.pl
        henryk.duda at mail.usa.com
tel.:   (81) 441-32-13


From gadassov at wanadoo.fr  Fri Nov  5 12:03:35 1999
From: gadassov at wanadoo.fr (Adassovsky Georges)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:03:35 +0100
Subject: A couple of questions about etymology
In-Reply-To: <382179B9.FD076210@ticom.kharkov.ua>
Message-ID: <FRI.5.NOV.1999.130335.0100.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>I am a native Russian speaker and it took me a long time to read this message.
>It's really awful. I can only imagine how difficult it is for non-native
>speakers...

The problem seems to be in the existence of several ways to translitterate.
But why translitteration should be impossible while several Slavic peoples
write using Latin letters?

Georges


From ABoguslawski at Rollins.Edu  Fri Nov  5 13:43:02 1999
From: ABoguslawski at Rollins.Edu (Alexander Boguslawski)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:43:02 -0500
Subject: Unknown painting
Message-ID: <FRI.5.NOV.1999.084302.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear friends,

Some time ago, someone asked me whether I know a Russian painting
entitled "V parke" or "V starom parke."  I have difficulties identifying
the painting, especially so because not much information is available
about it:  apparently, it shows a man sitting on a bench in a park;  the
picture is moody and nostalgic.  Perhaps someone can identify the author
or even mail me a reproduction?  I'd appreciate your help very much.

Alexander Boguslawski


From ursula.doleschal at wu-wien.ac.at  Sat Nov  6 09:48:54 1999
From: ursula.doleschal at wu-wien.ac.at (Ursula Doleschal)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 10:48:54 +0100
Subject: P.S. Gender linguistics
Message-ID: <SAT.6.NOV.1999.104854.0100.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

AS to readings on gender-related studies on Russian, I forgot to mention the
book by Karin Tafel "Die Frau im Spiegel der russischen Sprache", Wiesbaden:
Harassowitz 1998 which discusses all issues in detail, as well as her
article in the recently publihsed Handbuch der Russistik (ed. by H.
Jachnow)-

Dr. Ursula Doleschal (ursula.doleschal at wu-wien.ac.at)
Institut f. slawische Sprachen, WU-Wien
NEU: Ro?auer Lande 23, A-1090 Wien


From cef at u.washington.edu  Sat Nov  6 18:12:45 1999
From: cef at u.washington.edu (C. Fields)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 10:12:45 -0800
Subject: etymology/the transliteration issue
In-Reply-To: <l03130302b448772fcc6a@[164.138.225.87]>
Message-ID: <SAT.6.NOV.1999.101245.0800.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Picture reading English and French words transliterated into Russian...!
I think it's particularly hard for native speakers of a given language to
read their own words transliterated.  ('Gyol' for 'girl' for instance!) My
Russian correspondents always talk about how difficult it is, but since
writing emails in Russian (on the computer and with the software I
currently have--current state of finances prohibiting an upgrade) would
mean typing on a KOI8 keyboard at the pace of 50 words an hour...  Since
their English isn't good enough for me to write in English, they've agreed
to put up with struggling through my transliteration to actually get an
email from me.  My email software allows me to read cyrillic, so they can
write me back without problems, and they know that they can.  Whatever
works!

Emily Fields


On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Adassovsky Georges wrote:

> >I am a native Russian speaker and it took me a long time to read this
 message.
> >It's really awful. I can only imagine how difficult it is for non-native
> >speakers...
>
> The problem seems to be in the existence of several ways to translitterate.
> But why translitteration should be impossible while several Slavic peoples
> write using Latin letters?
>
> Georges
>


From aisrael at american.edu  Sat Nov  6 20:45:39 1999
From: aisrael at american.edu (Alina Israeli)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 15:45:39 -0500
Subject: etymology/the transliteration issue
Message-ID: <SAT.6.NOV.1999.154539.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>Picture reading English and French words transliterated into Russian...!
>I think it's particularly hard for native speakers of a given language to
>read their own words transliterated.  ('Gyol' for 'girl' for instance!)

English is harder, to be sure. I don't know about 'gyol', but 'gerlà'
entered the language.

As for French, it's been done for quite some time; how can we forget the
famous "purkua vu tushe, ja ne mogu dormir v potemkax" (and the author's
comment about the speaker's conjugating the Russian verb "tushit'" na
francuzskij maner).

Alina Israeli

**************************************************************
Alina Israeli
LFS, American University                phone:  (202) 885-2387
4400 Mass. Ave., NW                     fax:    (202) 885-1076
Washington, DC 20016

aisrael at american.edu


From AATSEEL at compuserve.com  Sun Nov  7 00:33:09 1999
From: AATSEEL at compuserve.com (AATSEEL Exec Director)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 19:33:09 -0500
Subject: Registering for AATSEEL '99
Message-ID: <SAT.6.NOV.1999.193309.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELANGers,

If you've been wanting to register for AATSEEL, you can now download a form
from the web:

http://clover.slavic.pitt.edu/~djb/aatseel/registration.txt

It prints pretty smoothly from a web browser on two pages.

There's a (bold) link to it on the main AATSEEL conference page, which is
at:

http://clover.slavic.pitt.edu/~djb/aatseel.html

Best regards,

Jerry

*  *  *  *  *
Gerard L. (Jerry) Ervin
Executive Director, American Ass'n of Teachers of 
  Slavic & E European Languages (AATSEEL)
1933 N. Fountain Park Dr., Tucson, AZ 85715 USA
Phone/fax:  520/885-2663
NOTE NEW EMAIL ADDRESS:  AATSEEL at CompuServe.com
AATSEEL Home Page: <http://clover.slavic.pitt.edu/~aatseel/>
1999 conference:  27-30 December, Chicago, IL
2000 conference:  27-30 December, Washington, DC
*  *  *  *  *


From tom.priestly at ualberta.ca  Sun Nov  7 14:50:47 1999
From: tom.priestly at ualberta.ca (Tom Priestly)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 07:50:47 -0700
Subject: P.S. Gender linguistics
In-Reply-To: <199911060951.CAA16883@pilsener.srv.ualberta.ca>
Message-ID: <SUN.7.NOV.1999.075047.0700.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Ursula,
I printed out and had a quick look at your chapter. Extremely interesting .
. . it will need close reading.
But in pasing my eye stopped at section 6.2. and was disappointed (very
slightly) to see that the article
F. Dreizin & T. Priestly,  "A systematic approach to Russian obscene
language," Russian Linguistics 6: 233-249, 1982
was not mentioned. - This was Feliks Dreizin's work: I just helped out as a
very "junior" author (I helped him organize his thoughts in a few areas,
and tidied up his English). So if you wish to be critical, I shall not mind
*at all*. Nevertheless, having *never* had any reasctions to this article,
I would very much like to know what you think. Did you not mention it
deliberately? Or perhaps you never saw it? I shall be *very* grateful for
your honest opinion.
Maybe one of our (Feliks's and my) conclusions - that *mat* can be used in
*any* context, given volition - tends to negate some of your arguments? I
wonder.
Tom

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
*  Tom Priestly
*  Slavic & East European Studies
*  Modern Languages and Cultural Studies
*  University of Alberta
*  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada T6G 2E6
---------------------------------------------------------------

*  telephone:  780 - 492 - 5688
*  fax:               780 - 492 - 9106

*  email:           tom.priestly at ualberta.ca
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


From tom.priestly at ualberta.ca  Sun Nov  7 16:12:17 1999
From: tom.priestly at ualberta.ca (Tom Priestly)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 09:12:17 -0700
Subject: P.S. Gender linguistics
In-Reply-To: <199911071451.HAA14977@pilsener.srv.ualberta.ca>
Message-ID: <SUN.7.NOV.1999.091217.0700.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I am *extremely* embarrassed. My apologies to everyone for sending you my
private message.
Tom Priestly

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
*  Tom Priestly
*  Slavic & East European Studies
*  Modern Languages and Cultural Studies
*  University of Alberta
*  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada T6G 2E6
---------------------------------------------------------------

*  telephone:  780 - 492 - 5688
*  fax:               780 - 492 - 9106

*  email:           tom.priestly at ualberta.ca
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


From darancourlaferriere at ucdavis.edu  Sun Nov  7 21:14:55 1999
From: darancourlaferriere at ucdavis.edu (Daniel Rancour-Laferriere)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 13:14:55 -0800
Subject: P.S. Gender linguistics
In-Reply-To: <l03102800b44a63545dab@[129.128.230.34]>
Message-ID: <SUN.7.NOV.1999.131455.0800.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

7 Nov. 99

The article by Dreizin and Priestly is indeed important.  I refer to it in
my _Signs of the Flesh_ (Indiana University Press, 1992, 226) and in _The
Slave Soul of Russia_ (NYU Press, 1995, 140).  Generally speaking, the work
of the late Felix Dreizin has been neglected, especially his book _The
Russian Soul and the Jew_ (University Press of America, 1990).

Daniel Rancour-Laferriere
University of California, Davis


At 07:50 AM 11/7/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Ursula,
>I printed out and had a quick look at your chapter. Extremely interesting .
>. . it will need close reading.
>But in pasing my eye stopped at section 6.2. and was disappointed (very
>slightly) to see that the article
>F. Dreizin & T. Priestly,  "A systematic approach to Russian obscene
>language," Russian Linguistics 6: 233-249, 1982
>was not mentioned. - This was Feliks Dreizin's work: I just helped out as a
>very "junior" author (I helped him organize his thoughts in a few areas,
>and tidied up his English). So if you wish to be critical, I shall not mind
>*at all*. Nevertheless, having *never* had any reasctions to this article,
>I would very much like to know what you think. Did you not mention it
>deliberately? Or perhaps you never saw it? I shall be *very* grateful for
>your honest opinion.
>Maybe one of our (Feliks's and my) conclusions - that *mat* can be used in
>*any* context, given volition - tends to negate some of your arguments? I
>wonder.
>Tom
>
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>*  Tom Priestly
>*  Slavic & East European Studies
>*  Modern Languages and Cultural Studies
>*  University of Alberta
>*  Edmonton, Alberta, Canada T6G 2E6
>---------------------------------------------------------------
>
>*  telephone:  780 - 492 - 5688
>*  fax:               780 - 492 - 9106
>
>*  email:           tom.priestly at ualberta.ca
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>


From daf at meirionnydd.force9.co.uk  Sun Nov  7 13:36:15 1999
From: daf at meirionnydd.force9.co.uk (Daf)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 13:36:15 -0000
Subject: etymology/the transliteration issue
Message-ID: <SUN.7.NOV.1999.133615.0000.>

Emily
If your set-up allows you to read Cyrillic, you could probably type it. Not
KOI8 as it uses a different keyboard. Try using Times New Roman Cyrillic.
You can download a keyboard driver from quite a lot of places if there
isn't one in your system. I'm afraid this is the blind leading the blind
but I know I was able to do it while still on a much more primitive level
of software than I have now.

 My
> Russian correspondents always talk about how difficult it is, but since
> writing emails in Russian (on the computer and with the software I
> currently have--current state of finances prohibiting an upgrade) would
> mean typing on a KOI8 keyboard at the pace of 50 words an hour...  Since
> their English isn't good enough for me to write in English, they've
agreed
> to put up with struggling through my transliteration to actually get an
> email from me.  My email software allows me to read cyrillic, so they can
> write me back without problems, and they know that they can.  Whatever
> works!
Daf  [web page-http://www.meirionnydd.force9.co.uk]


From kenneth.udut at spcorp.com  Mon Nov  8 14:12:25 1999
From: kenneth.udut at spcorp.com (Udut, Kenneth)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:12:25 -0500
Subject: Learning German to help access Russian materials?
Message-ID: <MON.8.NOV.1999.091225.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I wonder - how helpful would
learning German be in learning Russian?

Not in the sense of any kind of closeness
to the languages, but rather - isn't there
a lot more German-based materials in
learning Russian, or papers, etc, than there
is in English?

Sometimes on this list and elsewhere, I'll
see what looks to be a fastinating text, having
something to do with Russian language, or Russian
culture, or Russian religious practices, or whatnot -
but it will be in German.

Thoughts?

--
-- Kenneth.Udut at SPCORP.COM
--


From hetzer at uni-bremen.de  Mon Nov  8 20:14:50 1999
From: hetzer at uni-bremen.de (AHetzer)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:14:50 +0100
Subject: Learning German to help access Russian materials?
Message-ID: <MON.8.NOV.1999.211450.0100.>

Udut, Kenneth wrote:
>
> I wonder - how helpful would
> learning German be in learning Russian?
>
snip

This holds true for certain aspects, e. g. language history, because
there is a long tradition in diachronical linguistics. Moreover, in East
Germany (GDR) there was a large market, because all had to learn Russian
to a certain extent. Such materials are reprinted, if they are not
outdated (juridical or economic reference works). However, I would say
that it would be of little use to start German now. You will reach an
appropriate skill only after several years, so that it lasts too long to
get the desired effect on the spot. Learning another Slavic language, e.
g. Czech, in order to read scholarly articles or reference works is
perhaps more appropriate.

Kind regards
AHetzer

--
PD Dr. Armin Hetzer
URL: http://www1.uni-bremen.de/~hetzer
Mailto: a_hetzer at yahoo.de; nikom at flashmail.com


From colkitto at sprint.ca  Mon Nov  8 21:21:28 1999
From: colkitto at sprint.ca (Robert Orr)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:21:28 -0500
Subject: Learning German to help access Russian materials?
Message-ID: <MON.8.NOV.1999.162128.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I think a couple of ideas are mixed up here.  As a historical linguist
specialising in Slavic  I find a reading knowledge of German (and spoken
German, for conferences) absolutely essential.  There is just so much
material in German (especially for those of us whose research interests are
the stage(s) Indo-European > Common Slavic!)

But to help actually learning Russian?



Robert Orr


>I wonder - how helpful would
>learning German be in learning Russian?
>
>Not in the sense of any kind of closeness
>to the languages, but rather - isn't there
>a lot more German-based materials in
>learning Russian, or papers, etc, than there
>is in English?
>
>Sometimes on this list and elsewhere, I'll
>see what looks to be a fastinating text, having
>something to do with Russian language, or Russian
>culture, or Russian religious practices, or whatnot -
>but it will be in German.
>
>Thoughts?
>
>--
>-- Kenneth.Udut at SPCORP.COM
>--
>


From AMandelker at aol.com  Tue Nov  9 01:27:46 1999
From: AMandelker at aol.com (Amy Mandelker)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:27:46 EST
Subject: MLA APPROACHES TO TEACHING ANNA KARENINA
Message-ID: <MON.8.NOV.1999.202746.EST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Colleagues:

We are posting the following to obtain your assistance in the preparation of
an important professional project.  We have undertaken the editing of a
projected volume on ANNA KARENINA for the MLA series APPROACHES TO TEACHING
WORLD LITERATURE.  This volume will be the first in the series of over 50
titles to focus on a work of Russian literature.

The procedure for editing a volume in the MLA series involves collecting
information from colleagues in the teaching profession who teach ANNA
KARENINA in various types of institutions and within diverse curriculuar
configurations.  Volumes in the MLA Approaches to Teaching World Literature
series are invaluable for their presentation of helpful course materials and
recommendations for specific approaches to take in the classroom.  In order
to collect information as efficiently as possible, we have prepared a
questionnaire.  We invite all those who have taught ANNA KARENINA to fill it
out.  All respondents will be acknowledged in the final publication.
Respondents are also invited to submit proposals for essays to be included in
the volume.  These essays should focus on some aspect of how to teach ANNA
KARENINA.

You may download the attached questionnaire, fill it out and email it to
either Professor Liza Knapp, lknapp at socrates.berkeley.edu or to Professor Amy
Mandelker, AMandelker at aol.com.  Please do not return your questionnaires to
SEELANGS.  (Please do not click on the reply function.)   Alternately, you
may obtain a paper copy of the questionnaire by writing to either:

Professor Liza Knapp, Slavic Department, University of California at
Berkeley, Berkeley, CA  94720-2979

or

Professor Amy Mandelker, Graduate Program in Comparative Literature, Graduate
Center of the City University of New York, 365 Fifth Avenue, New York, New
York, 10016.

We are asking for a return date of January 15, 2000 in order to stay within
the publication schedule proposed by our editor at MLA Press.

We look forward to hearing from you.

 Liza Knapp                             Amy Mandelker
 Associate Professor of Slavic              Associate Professor of
 Language and Literatures                     Comparative Literature

 University of California at Berkeley       CUNY Graduate School


 (Text of questionnaire follows)


  Approaches to Teaching Tolstoy's *Anna Karenina*
  Edited by Liza Knapp and Amy Mandelker

  Please return by 15 January 2000 to Professor Amy Mandelker, Graduate
  Program in Comparative Literature, Graduate Center of CUNY, 365 Fifth
  Avenue, New York, New York 10016.

  Name ____________________________  Department ____________________________
  Academic Affiliation ____________________________
____________________________
  Preferred Mailing Address ___________________________
  Telephone  ____________ FAX  ____________ E-Mail _________________________

  Please feel free to attach additional sheets, if necessary, to respond to
  this questionnaire. Any supplementary material you would be willing to make
  available (e.g., course syllabi, paper topics, bibliographies) would be
  quite helpful. We encourage comment on additional issues relevant to the
  teaching of *Anna Karenina*. Respondents will be acknowledged in the
  published volume.

  1. Please check all courses in which you have taught *Anna Karenina* (place
  an asterisk next to any course in which the novel is read in Russian).
  __ survey of Russian literature (__ graduate   __undergraduate)
  __ survey of European literature (__ graduate  __undergraduate)
  __ novel (__ graduate   __undergraduate): Specify __________________
  __ upper level (3rd/4th+) Russian language course
  __ Great Books/Humanities
  __ Tolstoy course (__ graduate  __undergraduate)
  __  Tolstoy and Dostoevsky (__ graduate   __undergraduate)
  __  Graduate seminar: Specify ________________________
  __  Other: ________________________

  2. Which translations have you taught from? Which do you prefer and why?
  ____________________________________________________________________________
  _____________
  3. What secondary works, if any, do you assign or recommend? What
  background works do you assign or recommend to students? Which background
  works would you recommend to beginning teachers of *Anna Karenina*?
  ____________________________________________________________________________
  _____________
  4. How much time do you allow for *Anna Karenina*? What aspects of the
  novel do you emphasize in class? Is your approach sequential or thematic?
  ____________________________________________________________________________
  _____________
  OVER


  5. What features of *Anna Karenina* do your students find most difficult or
  challenging? What aspects do they find most stimulating or engaging? How
  have you addressed these specific features in your teaching?
  ____________________________________________________________________________
  _____________
  6. Which critical approaches and theoretical perspectives have you found
  most productive in teaching *Anna Karenina*? Do you adopt a specific
  critical stance?
  ____________________________________________________________________________
  _____________
  7. What are some of the problems you encounter in making the Russian text
  accessible to students or, when teaching in translation, in explaining
  various aspects of Russian literature, culture, and history?
  ____________________________________________________________________________
  _____________
  8. If you use supplementary nonprint materials (e.g., slides, films) in
  teaching the novel, please describe.
  ____________________________________________________________________________
  _____________
  9. What written work do you assign? Describe paper topics and other
  assignments that have been fruitful. Describe any particular techniques,
  exercises, handouts you have developed to help students read *Anna
  Karenina* more productively. Indicate any suggestions that would help
  instructors guide students through reading the novel.
  ____________________________________________________________________________
  _____________
  10. If you relate *Anna Karenina* to other works, please state which texts
  and how you perceive and teach the relation.
  ____________________________________________________________________________
  _____________
  11. What sorts of information would you like to see included in this
  volume? What particular issues or approaches should be addressed?
  ____________________________________________________________________________
  _____________
  12. If you would like to propose an essay for this volume, please enclose
  an abstract on a separate sheet. The abstract should indicate the approach
  and/or issue you would discuss and should explain its potential benefit for
  undergraduates and instructors alike.













  >>


From hetzer at uni-bremen.de  Tue Nov  9 08:47:26 1999
From: hetzer at uni-bremen.de (AHetzer)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:47:26 +0100
Subject: Learning German to help access Russian materials?
Message-ID: <TUE.9.NOV.1999.094726.0100.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Robert Orr schrieb:
>
> I think a couple of ideas are mixed up here.  As a historical linguist
> specialising in Slavic  I find a reading knowledge of German (and spoken
> German, for conferences) absolutely essential.  There is just so much
> material in German (especially for those of us whose research interests are
> the stage(s) Indo-European > Common Slavic!)
>
> But to help actually learning Russian?
>
> Robert Orr
>

I completely agree. I would even say that LEARNING a new language in
order to learn easier a third language is a doubtful undertaking.
However, if someone already knows a third language, this can be very
useful when learning Russian.

AHetzer


From Rolf.Fieguth at unifr.ch  Tue Nov  9 10:08:47 1999
From: Rolf.Fieguth at unifr.ch (Rolf Fieguth)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:08:47 +0100
Subject: Heinrich Kunstmann
Message-ID: <TUE.9.NOV.1999.110847.0100.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Sir,                                                                9.11.99

Heinrich Kunstmann is a remarkable scholar in many fields of Polish and
Czech literary and cultural history and an outstanding literary translator
into German; especially renowned is his German translation of Gombrowicz¹s
Iwona, ksiezniczka burgunda. He has in fact taught for many years at Munich
University. If you need deeper information about his work and life, please
write to
Prof. Dr. Helmut Schaller
Institut für Slawische Philologie
 Wilhelm-Röpke-Str. 6 D
35032 Marburg, Germany
Tel.: 06421/2821304
Fax: 06421/2824559

Best regards, Rolf Fieguth

----------
>From: John Dingley <jdingley at YorkU.CA>
>To: SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
>Subject: Heinrich Kunstmann
>Date: Fre, 29. Okt 1999 11:34 Uhr
>

> Hi,
>
> Might someone be able to tell me about Heinrich Kunstmann? I believe
> he taught at the University of Munich, but is now in retirement (?).
> Perhaps he is no longer with us?
>
> Thanks in advance.
> John Dingley
>
> -------------
> http://whitnash.arts.yorku.ca/jding.html


From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Tue Nov  9 10:34:58 1999
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 05:34:58 -0500
Subject: AATSEEL Internship Page
Message-ID: <TUE.9.NOV.1999.053458.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

FYI -- Thanks to Yvonne Brandon, the AATSEEL Internship Page is up and
running again.  Please direct yourself or your students to the following
URL:

http://clover.slavic.pitt.edu/~aatseel/jobs/intern/intern-index.html

Devin / Divan

Devin P Browne
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu


From kenneth.udut at spcorp.com  Tue Nov  9 13:19:30 1999
From: kenneth.udut at spcorp.com (Udut, Kenneth)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:19:30 -0500
Subject: Learning German to help access Russian materials?
Message-ID: <TUE.9.NOV.1999.081930.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Oh, I'm always confused :-)

It sounds absurd, and it probably
is absurd - but the reason I ask
(and I should learn to not be so darned vague),
is that I have heard of a language learning
method put together by a Vera F Birkenbihl,
and someone recommended it to me as a way to
furthur my Russian.  However, she wasn't sure
if her materials were available in English.

It doesn't seem like they are - any search
I've done on her, is all in German, although
it looks like one of her books has been
translated into English.

In any case, I already understand a
smattering of German (I had a German
grandmother), and learning to
read it shouldn't be so terribly hard for me -
and would be worth it, if there is information
about language learning available only in German.

Anybody have any information on Vera F Birkenbihl
and her method? Any impressions?  Or am I on
my own?  [but don't worry - I'm still studying
my Russian every day - I just am always looking
for that 'magic bullet', even if I look silly
in the process :) ]

--
-- Kenneth.Udut at SPCORP.COM
--


|-----Original Message-----
|From: Robert Orr [mailto:colkitto at sprint.ca]
|Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 4:21 PM
|To: SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
|Subject: Re: Learning German to help access Russian materials?
|
|
|I think a couple of ideas are mixed up here.  As a historical linguist
|specialising in Slavic  I find a reading knowledge of German
|(and spoken
|German, for conferences) absolutely essential.  There is just so much
|material in German (especially for those of us whose research
|interests are
|the stage(s) Indo-European > Common Slavic!)
|
|But to help actually learning Russian?
|
|
|
|Robert Orr
|


From russky at unb.ca  Tue Nov  9 16:00:38 1999
From: russky at unb.ca (allan reid)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:00:38 -0400
Subject: ADDRESS
Message-ID: <TUE.9.NOV.1999.120038.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Greetings

I have a request from a Russian scholar in Latvia for an address for:
FUND FOR RELIEF OF RUSSIAN WRITERS AND SCIENTISTS
/formerly at 519  8-th Ave. New York City, NY 10018/.

Does anyone know of their current address or an email contact?

Thanks

allan reid

Allan Reid
Chair, Dep't of Culture and Language Studies
Associate Professor of Russian

University of New Brunswick     tel: (506) 458-7714
P.O. Box 4400                   fax: (506) 447-3166
Fredericton, N.B.               http://www.unb.ca/web/arts
Canada   E3B 5A3


From hetzer at uni-bremen.de  Wed Nov 10 08:40:13 1999
From: hetzer at uni-bremen.de (AHetzer)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:40:13 +0100
Subject: Learning German to help access Russian materials?
Message-ID: <WED.10.NOV.1999.094013.0100.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

"Udut, Kenneth" schrieb:
>
> Oh, I'm always confused :-)
>
> It sounds absurd, and it probably
> is absurd - but the reason I ask
> (and I should learn to not be so darned vague),
> is that I have heard of a language learning
> method put together by a Vera F Birkenbihl,
> and someone recommended it to me as a way to
> furthur my Russian.  However, she wasn't sure
> if her materials were available in English.
>
Now, at last, we know what's the matter! Vera F. Birkenbihl is very
prolific in publishing courses and manuals for management training.
There is only one language training by her method ("neuro-linguistic" -
without memorizing!): English for business men. I do not know anything
about this method, because applied linguistics in this sense is not my
field. If someone promisses that learning a foreign language without
memorizing, I am very cautious. I know but the very traditional method
of putting a phrase book under the pillow and then sleeping on it.

BTW I am convinced that in the last event this is again something coming
from overseas, no real German invention. Perhaps someone on the list
knows more about the neuro-linguistic approach to learning Russian.

Kind regards
A.H.


From yoffe at gwis2.circ.gwu.edu  Wed Nov 10 15:02:29 1999
From: yoffe at gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Mark Yoffe)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 10:02:29 -0500
Subject: Demonological need
Message-ID: <WED.10.NOV.1999.100229.0500.>

Dear Colleagues,
Can anyone suggest a comprehensive and reliable text on Slavic
demonology? With types and classes of demons and creatures clearly
outlined.
Also: does anyone know of any possible connection between Rusalki/Mavki
and Vampires.
Thanks in advance
Mark Yoffe
--
Mark Yoffe, Ph.D. Curator, International Counterculture Archive
Slavic Librarian, The George Washington University, Washington, D.C.
HTTP://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~yoffe
E-mail: yoffe at gwis2.circ.gwu.edu   Phone: 202 994-6303


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From: saivetz at fas.harvard.edu (Carol R. Saivetz)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:07:55 EST
Subject: AAASS Job Opportunity
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From yoffe at gwis2.circ.gwu.edu  Wed Nov 10 19:26:08 1999
From: yoffe at gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Mark Yoffe)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:26:08 -0500
Subject: Roman Polansky's Master and Margarita
Message-ID: <WED.10.NOV.1999.142608.0500.>

Dear Colleagues,
Please excuse another inquiry: in recent issue of Harper's magazine I
came accross some information (in article on Woodstock 1999) regarding
Roman Polansky's project related to M. Bulgakov Master and Margarita.
But the reference was very vague.
Does anyone know wether Polansky has ever made this film, or is still
working on it. Any information would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
--
Mark Yoffe, Ph.D. Curator, International Counterculture Archive
Slavic Librarian, The George Washington University, Washington, D.C.
HTTP://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~yoffe
E-mail: yoffe at gwis2.circ.gwu.edu   Phone: 202 994-6303


From c0654038 at techst02.technion.ac.il  Thu Nov 11 11:28:45 1999
From: c0654038 at techst02.technion.ac.il (Alexey I. Fuchs)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:28:45 +0200
Subject: Demonological need
In-Reply-To: <38298905.6DBA@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.11.NOV.1999.132845.0200.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

> Can anyone suggest a comprehensive and reliable text on Slavic
> demonology? With types and classes of demons and creatures clearly
> outlined.

I cannot remember the URL, but I have seen Ukrainian demonology nicely
arranged on the web. I accessed it through the "rivendel.com," a
collection of links to online dictionaries. However, it may not exist
anymore.

> Also: does anyone know of any possible connection between Rusalki/Mavki
> and Vampires.

Should there be any connection? I would group mavki and rusalki together,
probably - for they are both attractive women-like creatures, drawing
young men to sea/forest and into misterious perdition (curiously enough,
I have never heard death mentioned in this context, though it is strongly
implied - "zaschekochut do ikoty i na dno uvolokut," for instance :)).
They are though different - mavki and rusalki, for mavki are slim and
handsome and some sources state that they are "open from the rare," from
the back, so that all there inner parts are seen. Thus, physically, they
resemble rusalki only being somehow maimed. But I'd never compare both to
vampires.
By the way, has anybody heard of the Chugayster, fulfilling the horrible
function of mavki's death? I read about this "man of the woods," tearing
mavki in two and baking them on shepherds' fire, a man, whose image is
terrible, but he never does any wrong to real people.

                                                        Alexey


From c0654038 at techst02.technion.ac.il  Thu Nov 11 11:43:51 1999
From: c0654038 at techst02.technion.ac.il (Alexey I. Fuchs)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:43:51 +0200
Subject: Roman Polansky's et al. Master and Margarita
In-Reply-To: <3829C6D0.2431@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.11.NOV.1999.134351.0200.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

> Please excuse another inquiry: in recent issue of Harper's magazine I
> came accross some information (in article on Woodstock 1999) regarding
> Roman Polansky's project related to M. Bulgakov Master and Margarita.
> But the reference was very vague.
> Does anyone know wether Polansky has ever made this film, or is still
> working on it. Any information would be appreciated.

Please excuse another reply which brings only more havoc to the question.
Does anybody know what is the fate of director Kara's movie "Master i
Margarita," made circa 1990? It has never been on screen due to some law
problems, unknown and incomprehensible for me.
I remember only the actor cast.

                                                        Alexey


From VLK960 at cj.aubg.bg  Thu Nov 11 11:58:31 1999
From: VLK960 at cj.aubg.bg (Uladzimir Katkouski)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:58:31 +0200
Subject: Demonological need (the modern twist)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.3.95.991111131726.15541B-100000@techst02.technion.ac.il>
Message-ID: <THU.11.NOV.1999.135831.0200.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Here is the guy you wish you'd meet! -- Adam Hlobus (Uladzimier
Adamczyk).

Adam Hlobus (Adam the Globe) is the contemporary Belarusian
writer who revived many Belarusian demons and ghosts in his
modern fairy tales.

He published two books:  Damavikameron-I and Damavikameron-
II.  Each book has 66 tales.  Right now he is working on the third
volume.  The name stems from the combination of the word
Damavik ("House ghost" in Belarusian) and Dekameron (the
famous French writer, sorry I have no idea how to spell it in French),
because most tales have a sexual twist to it.  In fact, the chief
character Damavik is usually considered by a common folk to be a
ferocious, lusty love-maker.

There are at least a dozen of other "ghostly" characters apart from
the Damavik himself: mermaids, kaduks, bird-man, forest-man,
field-man, etc, etc.

The first book, Damavikameron-I, was translated into Polish with
the title "Demonokameron" (which is a good invention of the
translator -- Jan Maksymiuk) and sold out very well (30,000 copies
were sold in a few months).

Some of the stories were translated into English and published in
American magazines.

Sincerely,
U.K.

http://www.aubg.bg/cj/~vlk960/litvania/ -- the true face of Belarus
uncovered!


On 11 Nov 99, at 13:28, Alexey I. Fuchs wrote:

> > Can anyone suggest a comprehensive and reliable text on Slavic
> > demonology? With types and classes of demons and creatures clearly
> > outlined.


From aisrael at american.edu  Thu Nov 11 13:54:42 1999
From: aisrael at american.edu (Alina Israeli)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:54:42 -0500
Subject: Decameron (the twist)
Message-ID: <THU.11.NOV.1999.085442.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>Damavik ("House ghost" in Belarusian) and Dekameron (the
>famous French writer, sorry I have no idea how to spell it in French),

I would hesitate to call Boccaccio "French" (although according to some
saurces he was born in Paris, others claim he was born in Florence or
Certaldo, and possibly his mother was French). He is considered "father of
Italian prose writers". If we believe Maurice Druon, he did work in Paris
in his uncle's bank's office for a while. That's all about his Frenchness.
He wrote in Italian and about Italy. Decameron were the tales told during
the plague in Florence, as far as I remember.

>He published two books:  Damavikameron-I and Damavikameron-
>II.  Each book has 66 tales.

Decameron has 10 as its root. I wonder how 66 relates to tens if we are in
base 10?

Alina Israeli

**************************************************************
Alina Israeli
LFS, American University                phone:  (202) 885-2387
4400 Mass. Ave., NW                     fax:    (202) 885-1076
Washington, DC 20016

aisrael at american.edu


From uhwm006 at sun.rhbnc.ac.uk  Thu Nov 11 14:13:20 1999
From: uhwm006 at sun.rhbnc.ac.uk (Geoffrey Chew)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:13:20 +0000
Subject: Demonological need
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.3.95.991111131726.15541B-100000@techst02.technion.ac.il>
Message-ID: <THU.11.NOV.1999.141320.0000.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

> Can anyone suggest a comprehensive and reliable text on Slavic
> demonology? With types and classes of demons and creatures clearly
> outlined.
>
> Also: does anyone know of any possible connection between Rusalki/Mavki
> and Vampires.

I forget the name of the author and the exact title (I don't have a copy
of my own), but there was an amusing and comprehensive pseudo-scientific
"natural history of rusalkas", subdivided by genus and species, written in
Estonian (I think) but certainly translated into Czech and published a few
years back.  I doubt there was anything on vampires...

 Geoffrey Chew
 Music Department, Royal Holloway College (University of London)
 Internet:       chew at sun.rhbnc.ac.uk


From bshallcr at indiana.edu  Thu Nov 11 15:16:44 1999
From: bshallcr at indiana.edu (bozena shallcross)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:16:44 -0500
Subject: Roman Polansky's Master and Margarita
In-Reply-To: <3829C6D0.2431@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.11.NOV.1999.101644.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

In the 70s, Andrzej Wajda made a film entitled "Pilat i inni" based on
"Master and Margerita"; perhaps someone confused Wajda and Polanski?

On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, Mark Yoffe wrote:

> Dear Colleagues,
> Please excuse another inquiry: in recent issue of Harper's magazine I
> came accross some information (in article on Woodstock 1999) regarding
> Roman Polansky's project related to M. Bulgakov Master and Margarita.
> But the reference was very vague.
> Does anyone know wether Polansky has ever made this film, or is still
> working on it. Any information would be appreciated.
> Thanks in advance.
> --
> Mark Yoffe, Ph.D. Curator, International Counterculture Archive
> Slavic Librarian, The George Washington University, Washington, D.C.
> HTTP://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~yoffe
> E-mail: yoffe at gwis2.circ.gwu.edu   Phone: 202 994-6303
>

Bozena Shallcross
Director, Polish Studies Center         Dept. of Slavic Langs. & Lits.
1217 E. Atwater                         Ballantine Hall 502
Bloomington, IN 47401-3701              1020 E Kirkwood Avenue
Phone: 812-855-1507                     Bloomington, IN 47405
Fax: 812-855-0207                       Phone: 812-855-3351




From dburrous at jeffco.k12.co.us  Thu Nov 11 15:44:11 1999
From: dburrous at jeffco.k12.co.us (David Burrous)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 08:44:11 -0700
Subject: Face to Face Textbooks
Message-ID: <THU.11.NOV.1999.084411.0700.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Attention secondary teachers of Russian:

I have some Level One, Russian Face to Face textbooks, @1993, that I am
giving away for free.  You must pay the postage.  If you are interested,
please send me your name, school name,  and school address.  First come,
first served.
--
David Burrous, Coordinator of Foreign Languages &
Foreign Exchange Students
e.mail:  dburrous at jeffco.k12.co.us
Phone:  303-982-5927
Fax:  303-279-8525
Foreign Language home page:
http://204.98.1.2/isu/language/index.html
Foreign Exchange home page:
http://204.98.1.2/isu/forex/index.html
Address:  Jefferson County Public Schools
Tanglewood Resource Center
13950 West 20th Avenue
PO Box 4001
Golden, CO  80401-0001


From VLK960 at cj.aubg.bg  Thu Nov 11 16:23:54 1999
From: VLK960 at cj.aubg.bg (Uladzimir Katkouski)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:23:54 +0200
Subject: Decameron (the twist)
In-Reply-To: <v01540b00b45182f95f6a@[208.220.24.28]>
Message-ID: <THU.11.NOV.1999.182354.0200.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

On 11 Nov 99, at 8:54, Alina Israeli wrote:

> I would hesitate to call Boccaccio "French" (although according to some

Oops... that was rather stupid of me... Zaprawdny analfabet! ;) I
never gave a thought about his origin and then I just assumed it'd
be spelled "in a French way," i.e. D[e]'something.

>
> >He published two books:  Damavikameron-I and Damavikameron-
> >II.  Each book has 66 tales.
>
> Decameron has 10 as its root. I wonder how 66 relates to tens if we are in
> base 10?

66 related to 666, the demonic number.  I guess mister Hlobus
wouldn't be capable of writing 666 tales, so he divides them in 66-
piece chunks instead. I guess it makes some sense.

Decameron-like elements are only the surface of his tales, while the
deeper layer is concerned with demonic elements and beliefs,
hence the number.

UN,
UK

http://www.aubg.bg/cj/~vlk960/litvania/


From Gottscha at actr.org  Thu Nov 11 17:21:20 1999
From: Gottscha at actr.org (Kate Gottschall)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 12:21:20 -0500
Subject: Position at ACTR/ACCELS
Message-ID: <THU.11.NOV.1999.122120.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

The American Councils for International Education: ACTR/ACCELS

The American Councils for International Education: ACTR/ACCELS is a private, non-profit, educational association and exchange organization devoted to improving education, professional training and research within and regarding the former Soviet Union (FSU).  The American Councils administers academic exchange and training programs in virtually all fields; provides educational advising and academic testing services throughout the NIS; and organizes conferences and seminars in the US and abroad for its membership, exchange participants, alumni, and professional groups.   The American Councils manages a budget funded from multiple sources of more than $40M, employs a staff of nearly 250, and operates offices in 12 countries of the FSU.

The American Councils is currently seeking candidates for Senior Program Manager for Higher Education Programs. 

Position Title/Program:     Senior Program Manager, Higher Education Programs

Location:    Washington, DC

Position Description Summary:
The Senior Program Manager in the American Councils division for higher education programs coordinates the organization's efforts to implement undergraduate and graduate education programs  in the US and the NIS.  Programs in this division include:  the Freedom Support Act Undergraduate Program, Muskie/Freedom Support Act (FSA) Graduate Fellowship Programs, Russian Language and Area Studies Programs, Research Scholar Programs, and NIS Initiatives Programs.

The Senior Program Manager will oversee the work of program managers directly responsible for specific programs, as well those responsible for specific programatic functions that serve all programs in the division.  The Senior Program Manager is the higher education division's key person responsible for all higher education programs contract negotiation, monitoring, and reporting.  All program managers in the division report to the Senior Program Manager for Higher Education.  

The Senior Program Manager is responsible for ensuring that program managers develop, implement, and maintain all phases of their respective programs including:  program administration, proposal and report preparation, financial monitoring and reporting, supervision and coordination of staff work, data collection and maintenance, and program funder liaison.  The Senior Program Manager is also responsible for ensuring cultivation and maintenance of host university relations including: host institution competitions, cost sharing negotiations, and participant recruitment.  In conjunction with program managers in the division and the Vice President, the Senior Program Manager is also responsible for new program initiatives and development.   

Qualifications:
Master's degree (doctorate preferred) in NIS area-related field, education, administration, international development, or a related area, plus minimum eight to ten years administrative experience related to educational programs; 
Russian language/area studies expertise;
Demonstrated effective budgeting, financial management, planning, and organizational skills
Experience in international education exchange arena;
Experience as liaison with government funders (preferably U.S. Dept. of State, U.S. Dept. of State Bureau of Educational & Cultural Affairs, Dept. of Education); experience in development and negotiation of program proposals for funding;
Demonstrated skills in organizational representation;
Strong supervisory experience and management skills; 
Desired:
Overseas work experience;
Broad-based contacts in higher education;
Experience as liaison/coordinator with field-based activities

To Apply:
Send a letter of application with a current resume and salary requirements to:  Human Resources, American Councils for International Education: ACTR/ACCELS, 1776 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W., Suite 700, Washington, DC, 20036.  Fax:  202-872-9178.  For more information about specific American Councils programs and other employment opportunities in the US and abroad, visit our web site at:  www.actr.org.

Anticipated Appointment Date:  November  - December 1999

Kate M. Gottschall
Human Resources Director
American Councils for International Education
1776 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W., Suite 700
Washington, DC  20036
202-833-7522
fax:  202-872-9178
www.actr.org


From AMandelker at aol.com  Thu Nov 11 18:58:21 1999
From: AMandelker at aol.com (Amy Mandelker)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:58:21 EST
Subject: Face to Face Textbooks
Message-ID: <THU.11.NOV.1999.135821.EST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear David:

Please send me a copy to:  Professor Amy Mandelker, 43G Watertown Court,
Princeton, NJ, 08540.  I will remit postage upon receipt.

Thank you,  Amy Mandelker


From vandusen at actr.org  Thu Nov 11 19:10:35 1999
From: vandusen at actr.org (Irina VanDusen)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:10:35 -0500
Subject: New "Why Study Russian" website
Message-ID: <THU.11.NOV.1999.141035.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

For a narrative presenting reasons for studying Russian, links to get started, and some general information on the Russian language and the history of its study in the US, go to Why Study Russian? a web site jointly
produced by ACTR and AATSEEL.
You can get there by going to:
http://www.russnet.org/home.html
and then clicking on "Discover" menu button (maybe check out what else you might discover there) or through direct url, which is:
http://www.russnet.org/why/index.html

Irina Van Dusen,
Publications Manager, ACTR


From frankdp at erols.com  Thu Nov 11 23:33:34 1999
From: frankdp at erols.com (Frank Poulin)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:33:34 -0500
Subject: New "Why Study Russian" website
Message-ID: <THU.11.NOV.1999.183334.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

    It's good to see this website-- and I've already referred it to one
person.  However, as someone who works in the business world (high-tech),
I'd like to add that, too often these days, professors of Russian appear to
be trying to "sell" the study of Russian to college students by emphasizing
that a knowledge of Russian is a "marketable skill".  This is unfortunate
because emphasizing Russian as a "skill" directly associates a knowledge of
Russian to some form of future monetary payoff.  By selling the study of
Russian as a marketable skill, Russian language and literature teachers are
placing their students and their students' parents in the position of
comparing the monetary payoff of studying Russian for 4 years to the
monetary payoff of studying more lucrative skills such as accounting,
business administration, or computer science.  In the U.S. economy, the
monetary payoff for studying accounting, business, or computers far exceeds
the monetary payoff for studying Russian (in D.C., I've seen 40,000 a year
as a common starting salary for someone with the first 3 skills and as low
as 15,000 to 22,000 a year as a frequent starting salary for someone with a
Russian-only skill).  Moreover, since many students accumulate educational
loans exceeding 10,000 to 15,000 dollars that must be paid back, and since
most of the NGO jobs that are advertised on Russian-Studies web sites are
temporary or pay relatively low wages (and sometime none at all, calling
their positions "internships"), it can become evident quickly to a student
or parent that the study of Russian as a marketable skill is not a good
investment.  I'd hate to see students or parents become as cautious of
language-study promotions as many are toward used car dealerships.
    I'd like to suggest a different approach, an approach that may seem
intuitive to many, but that does not seem to appear on Slavic Studies web
sites.  This approach would not emphasize the study of Russian as a
marketable "skill", but would emphasize the study of Russian (or any other
language) as one way in which a student can prepare himself or herself for
the fast track (or for long-term success if you will) in business, law,
engineering, or government.   If one looks at today's business leaders and
government leaders, I believe that one will discover that many of these
people are bilingual or multilingual (I believe that I heard that the
current or possibly former CEO of Procter & Gamble, for instance, knows 5 or
6 languages).  Though I'm not aware of any study that has looked at the
language and culture-learning backgrounds of today's corporate and
government leaders, I believe that the common consensus today is that many
of our corporate and government leaders possess a wide range of experience
and interests.  This leads me to suggest that a collection of testimonials
by business and government leaders on the value they've placed on their own
language and cultural studies in the past might be useful for the promotion
of language learning.  Such a collection of testimonials would, of course,
take some work, but I think that it might be more proper, in the long term,
than the emphasis on Russian knowledge as a marketable skill.
    Please don't take this as criticism of the website.  As I mentioned
above, it's a good site since a good database of job opportunities is a
terrific tool.

Regards,
Frank Poulin


-----Original Message-----
From: Irina VanDusen <vandusen at actr.org>
To: SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU <SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
Date: Thursday, November 11, 1999 2:13 PM
Subject: New "Why Study Russian" website


For a narrative presenting reasons for studying Russian, links to get
started, and some general information on the Russian language and the
history of its study in the US, go to Why Study Russian? a web site jointly
produced by ACTR and AATSEEL.
You can get there by going to:
http://www.russnet.org/home.html
and then clicking on "Discover" menu button (maybe check out what else you
might discover there) or through direct url, which is:
http://www.russnet.org/why/index.html

Irina Van Dusen,
Publications Manager, ACTR


From ggerhart at wolfenet.com  Fri Nov 12 00:25:55 1999
From: ggerhart at wolfenet.com (Genevra Gerhart)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:25:55 -0800
Subject: New "Why Study Russian" website
Message-ID: <THU.11.NOV.1999.162555.0800.>

Mr. Poulin is exactly right. The Why Study Russian website is a vast
improvement over the earlier booklet, but we surely should be promoting
the notion that, like Coke, (if I may be forgiven), Russian goes good
with everything. Russian and math, Russian and chemistry, Russian and
business, Russian and computers, Russian and almost anything.
Humanitarians who want to help would do a better job if they knew more
about the Russian habits in their specialty.
Microsoft hires quantities of Russian computer specialists -- they are
not cheap, but they're good. Do our guys know why?
Ad infinitum
--
Genevra Gerhart
http://www.wolfenet.com/~ggerhart/

2134 E. Interlaken  Bl.                 Tel. 206/329-0053
Seattle, WA  98112                      ggerhart at wolfenet.com


From gadassov at wanadoo.fr  Fri Nov 12 01:38:37 1999
From: gadassov at wanadoo.fr (Adassovsky Georges)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 02:38:37 +0100
Subject: New "Why Study Russian" website
In-Reply-To: <000001bf2c9d$4a41ff30$0826accf@poulin>
Message-ID: <FRI.12.NOV.1999.023837.0100.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Frank, Poulin wrote:

>In the U.S. economy, the
>monetary payoff for studying accounting, business, or computers far exceeds
>the monetary payoff for studying Russian

It's even worse for Latin, Hittite, Swahili or Tahitian.

Georges.


From cef at u.washington.edu  Fri Nov 12 08:11:22 1999
From: cef at u.washington.edu (C. Fields)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:11:22 -0800
Subject: Georgian films
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.3.95.991111131726.15541B-100000@techst02.technion.ac.il>
Message-ID: <FRI.12.NOV.1999.001122.0800.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

This is not exactly a Slavic question, but I figure Slavicists would be
the ones to know...

I'm looking for recommendations of favorite Georgian films.  A list of
titles and/or directors could help when approaching clerks at artsy video
rental places or when doing a search on a library database. I'm looking
for films that are both entertaining and illustrative of the culture.
"Repentance" is the only one I've been able to turn up so far, and I know
there are many more--lighthearted and serious.

Reply to me off line.

Thanks!

Emily Fields


From Stanislav.Tchernyshov at lidenz.ru  Fri Nov 12 10:07:00 1999
From: Stanislav.Tchernyshov at lidenz.ru (Stanislav Tchernyshov)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:07:00 +0300
Subject: Demonological need (the modern twist)
Message-ID: <FRI.12.NOV.1999.130700.0300.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>       > Can anyone suggest a comprehensive and reliable text on Slavic
>       > demonology? With types and classes of demons and creatures
> clearly
>       > outlined.
>
> There is a comprehensive research by Olga Cherepanova from St.
> Petersburg University: "Demonologicheskaya Leksika Russkogo Severa".
> Unfortunately, I don't remember the year when it was published. There
> is also an old famous book "Nevedomaya, Nechistaya i Krestnaya sila".
>
>       > Also: does anyone know of any possible connection between
> Rusalki/Mavki
>       > and Vampires.
>
> Sincerely, I can't think of ony possible connection with Vampires
> (except for being categorized as "nechistaya sila").
>
> It was very interecting to learn about Damavikameron, even though
> Decameron was not a French writer, but a book of novels by Bochaccio,
> an Italian writer.
>
> Stanislav Tchernyshov
> Academic Supervisor
>
> ===============================================
> Liden & Denz St.Petersburg (Russia)
>
> Language Centre St.Petersburg
> PO Box 8, FIN 53501 Lappeenranta, Suomi-Finland
> Phone: +7-812-325 22 41; Fax: +7-812-325 12 84
> Stanislav.Tchernyshov at Lidenz.Ru, http://www.lidenz.ru
> ===================================
>
>


From Stanislav.Tchernyshov at lidenz.ru  Fri Nov 12 12:51:38 1999
From: Stanislav.Tchernyshov at lidenz.ru (Stanislav Tchernyshov)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 15:51:38 +0300
Subject: Demonological need (the modern twist)
Message-ID: <FRI.12.NOV.1999.155138.0300.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

        There
        > is also an old famous book "Nevedomaya, Nechistaya i Krestnaya
sila".

I'm sorry for a mistake in the previous message. The title of the book
by S.V. Maksimov is "Nechistaya, Nevedomaya i Krestnaya sila".

Stanislav Tchernyshov
Academic Supervisor

===============================================
Liden & Denz St.Petersburg (Russia)

Language Centre St.Petersburg
PO Box 8, FIN 53501 Lappeenranta, Suomi-Finland
Phone: +7-812-325 22 41; Fax: +7-812-325 12 84
Stanislav.Tchernyshov at Lidenz.Ru, http://www.lidenz.ru
===================================


From beyer at jaguar.middlebury.edu  Fri Nov 12 14:20:35 1999
From: beyer at jaguar.middlebury.edu (Beyer, Tom)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:20:35 -0500
Subject: Scanning and Russian OCR
Message-ID: <FRI.12.NOV.1999.092035.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

         I'm using a Macintosh-has anyone had good fortune with a scanner
and Russian Optical Character recognition software?? Are there any programs
that scan into a web readable font?

        And just a language question-what are the current Russian words for
"sweatshirt" and "permanent press"?

        Thanks

         ============================


From kenneth.udut at spcorp.com  Fri Nov 12 14:23:49 1999
From: kenneth.udut at spcorp.com (Udut, Kenneth)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:23:49 -0500
Subject: Scanning and Russian OCR
Message-ID: <FRI.12.NOV.1999.092349.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I've had good luck in Windows - if it can
be done in *Windows*, then it certainly
can be done in Macintosh!

I think the Windows software that I used
was Abby Finereader 4.0 - I found it very
workable.  They may have a Macintosh version.



--
-- Kenneth.Udut at SPCORP.COM
--


|-----Original Message-----
|From: Beyer, Tom [mailto:beyer at jaguar.middlebury.edu]
|Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 9:21 AM
|To: SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
|Subject: Scanning and Russian OCR
|
|
|         I'm using a Macintosh-has anyone had good fortune
|with a scanner
|and Russian Optical Character recognition software?? Are there
|any programs
|that scan into a web readable font?
|
|        And just a language question-what are the current
|Russian words for
|"sweatshirt" and "permanent press"?
|
|        Thanks
|
|         ============================
|


From N20JACK at aol.com  Fri Nov 12 16:15:49 1999
From: N20JACK at aol.com (Franke Jack)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:15:49 EST
Subject: Scanning and Russian OCR
Message-ID: <FRI.12.NOV.1999.111549.EST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Tom,

My favorite OCR program on the mac is MacTiger. It will work with any
Twain-compliant scanner, as well as drivers for several name brand scanners
on the mac.
If you would like to read about, turn your browsers to:

http://www.smartlinkcorp.com/f_ocr_all_01.htm

One note: The sharper your scanner acquires texts, the more accurate the
scanner software works. I've had good luck with my UMAX 2000S, but with an
even sharper scanner, the results would be phenomenal.

Hope this helps,

***********************************
Dr. Jack Franke
Associate Professor - Russian
European School I
Defense Language Institute
Monterey, CA


From mrldorf at open.org  Fri Nov 12 17:27:08 1999
From: mrldorf at open.org (Mark R. Lauersdorf)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:27:08 -0800
Subject: Serbian/Croatian minimal pairs
Message-ID: <FRI.12.NOV.1999.092708.0800.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELangs members,

For a lecture that I am preparing in general phonetics/phonology, I am
interested in finding several minimal pairs (or even triplets or
quadruplets) of word forms in Serbian and/or Croatian that are distinguished
only by accent (long rising vs. long falling vs. short rising vs. short
falling), for example:

gra^d (long falling, = [Nom. sg. masc.] city, town)
vs.
grad (short falling, = [Nom. sg. masc.] hail)


Please indicate accent type as well as full grammatical information and
translation for each item (my access to Serbia/Croatian reference materials
is presently limited, so I would probably be unable to fill in this type of
information myself).

Please respond to me directly at:

mrldorf at open.org

Thanks in advance.

Mark Lauersdorf

------------------------
 Dr. Mark R. Lauersdorf
 mrldorf at open.org
------------------------


From lrc at mrminc.com  Fri Nov 12 18:52:21 1999
From: lrc at mrminc.com (LRC staff)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 14:52:21 -0400
Subject: Serbian/Croatian minimal pairs
In-Reply-To: <199911121726.JAA21016@opengovt.open.org>
Message-ID: <FRI.12.NOV.1999.145221.0400.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Take a look at:

http://main.amu.edu.pl/~sipkadan/akcent.htm

You will find the pairs, their sound recordings (.au or .waw format), the
sound diagrams, etc. Unfortunately, the page is in Serbo-Croatian.

Best,

Danko Sipka
sipkadan at erols.com

>Dear SEELangs members,
>
>For a lecture that I am preparing in general phonetics/phonology, I am
>interested in finding several minimal pairs (or even triplets or
>quadruplets) of word forms in Serbian and/or Croatian that are distinguished
>only by accent (long rising vs. long falling vs. short rising vs. short
>falling), for example:
>
>gra^d (long falling, = [Nom. sg. masc.] city, town)
>vs.
>grad (short falling, = [Nom. sg. masc.] hail)
>
>
>Please indicate accent type as well as full grammatical information and
>translation for each item (my access to Serbia/Croatian reference materials
>is presently limited, so I would probably be unable to fill in this type of
>information myself).
>
>Please respond to me directly at:
>
>mrldorf at open.org
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Mark Lauersdorf
>
>------------------------
> Dr. Mark R. Lauersdorf
> mrldorf at open.org
>------------------------


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From thurmchcs at juno.com  Fri Nov 12 22:03:56 1999
From: thurmchcs at juno.com (Eileen C. Thurman)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 16:03:56 -0600
Subject: Nachalo text
Message-ID: <FRI.12.NOV.1999.160356.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

        This message is addressed to any teachers in secondary
 schools or in universities using the text Nachalo.
        I am a high school teacher using Nachalo with individualized
 materials from Ohio State University.  My students, even the
 excellent students, say that I am assigning too much and it is
 unreasonable to expect such a fast pace from them.  I have made
 three lessons in Nachalo equal to one semester's credit, thus six
 lessons in one year of high school Russian.  It is in the second
 year especially (Book 1 Lessons 7 & 8 and Book 2 Lessons 1-4) that
 students believe the amount of work done is greater than in first
 year and is too much.
        I am aware that one year of high school foreign language is
 supposed to equal one semester of college foreign language.  So, my
 question to you others who are using this text is:  How much do you
 cover in one high school year or one college semester?  What do you
 and your students believe is a reasonable pace? In order to cover
 the material, do you skip activities or sections, and if so, what?
        Thank you for your advice.
        Eileen Thurman
        Cookson Hills Christian School
        thurmchcs at juno.com

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From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Sat Nov 13 04:39:33 1999
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 23:39:33 -0500
Subject: New "Why Study Russian" website
Message-ID: <FRI.12.NOV.1999.233933.0500.DPBROWNE@PITT.EDU>

I agree w/many of the comments about Russian language as a marketable
skill.  Few people these days are marketable at all if they don't have a
variety of skills to bring to a company or organization.  None of the
jobs on the AATSEEL Job Index call for people who can speak Russian yet
nothing else.

>>From briefly looking at a number of the jobs listed in the index which are
more entry level (not requiring a specialized degree in law or business,
for example), it seems that the recurring skills and  experience sought
are:

 * management experience
 * technical skills
 * writing skills (e.g., grants)
 * knowledge of business, social work, or international relations
 * training skills
 * organizational skills
 * interpersonal skills
 * knowledge of politics and/or economics

Sounds pretty generic in some cases, but I noticed these skills listed
over and over again.  And I think this applies in a variety of fields.  I
know that I was hired at my more recent teaching jobs partly because of my
experience with technology and grant searching/writing -- not *just*
because I could teach Russian, French or ESL.  As another example, my
friend works for Price Waterhouse and was hired because of his MBA, the
fact that he can do PowerPoint presentations, and definitely because he
has some proficiency in French.

If we are graduating Russian majors and Russian MA's who are not
interested in continuing for a ph.d and teaching in higher ed, we *need*
to be talking to them about job market realities.  Students need to know
how to get the above kind of experience in order to help them get a job in
a field which they enjoy.

Foreign language skills are certainly marketable, but mostly when combined
with other skills areas.

Devin / Divan

Devin P Browne
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu


From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Sat Nov 13 04:47:13 1999
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 23:47:13 -0500
Subject: FL advocacy video
Message-ID: <FRI.12.NOV.1999.234713.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

While we're on the subject of advocacy for our Russian programs, I should
mention that Pennsylvania State Modern Language Association has recently
produced a 16 minute video about the importance of foreign language
learning and its place in today's business world.  It's directed toward
administrators, school board members, PTO's, and students.  While it's not
Russian-specific at all, it can be a useful tool if you need to find
justification for your program to your higher-ups.

The video will be playing at ACTFL in Dallas (I think they will have it
running during lunch??).  More info about the packet can be obtained from
the PSMLA web site:

http://ml.hss.cmu.edu/psmla/

Click on the link to "Advocacy Packet."

Devin / Divan

Devin P Browne
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu


From AATSEEL at compuserve.com  Sat Nov 13 18:42:59 1999
From: AATSEEL at compuserve.com (AATSEEL Exec Director)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 13:42:59 -0500
Subject: Interviewing at AATSEEL
Message-ID: <SAT.13.NOV.1999.134259.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Again this year, AATSEEL is pleased to make avaialble gratis interviewing
facilities at its conference at the Chicago Hilton and Towers, 27-30
December, 1999.

To reserve an interviewing room, please contact the AATSEEL Executive
Director.  We ask that the person making the reservation be a current
AATSEEL member and conference registrant.  There are no other restrictions
on who may be a part of the interview team.

Please share this information with interested parties who may not be
SEELANGS readers.

*  *  *  *  *
Gerard L. (Jerry) Ervin
Executive Director, American Ass'n of Teachers of 
  Slavic & E European Languages (AATSEEL)
1933 N. Fountain Park Dr., Tucson, AZ 85715 USA
Phone/fax:  520/885-2663
NOTE NEW EMAIL ADDRESS:  AATSEEL at CompuServe.com
AATSEEL Home Page: <http://clover.slavic.pitt.edu/~aatseel/>
1999 conference:  27-30 December, Chicago, IL
2000 conference:  27-30 December, Washington, DC
*  *  *  *  *


From anon at example.com  Sat Nov 13 19:16:46 1999
From: anon at example.com (anon at example.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 20:16:46 +0100
Subject: English-Russian/English-German translation software
Message-ID: <SAT.13.NOV.1999.201646.0100.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dorogie Seelanzhtsy,

A friend of mine is researching for a paper on some mathematical or IT
problem. A lot of stuff is, naturally, in English, the language of which
the unfortunate knows slightly more than "Hi". So, would anyone know of a
relatively reliable English-Russian or English-German translation software,
preferably available as free- or shareware on the Net and good in maths/IT
lexicon. I know the question was raised here before but poka grom ne
gryanet, muzhik ne perekrestits'a.

Krupnoe spasibo,



From OgdenJ at garnet.cla.sc.edu  Sun Nov 14 04:47:43 1999
From: OgdenJ at garnet.cla.sc.edu (Alexander Ogden)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 23:47:43 -0500
Subject: Southern Slavic Conference panel on exile
Message-ID: <SAT.13.NOV.1999.234743.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Colleagues,
Might any of you be interested in joining a panel at the Southern Slavic
Conference (in Wilmington, NC, next March) on "Exile and Alienation in
Russian Culture"? I've got two papers and am looking for two more.  Please
contact me at ogden at sc.edu if so.  Panel proposals are due December 1, so
I'll need to hear from you before then.  Thanks!
Best wishes,
Alex Ogden


     ***PLEASE SEND MAIL TO MY E-MAIL ALIAS, OGDEN at SC.EDU***

--------------------------------
Dr. J. Alexander Ogden
Visiting Assistant Professor of Russian and Comparative Literature
Department of Germanic, Slavic & East Asian
         Languages and Literatures
University of South Carolina
Columbia, SC 29208
(803) 777-9573
ogden at sc.edu


From c0654038 at techst02.technion.ac.il  Sun Nov 14 11:06:15 1999
From: c0654038 at techst02.technion.ac.il (Alexey I. Fuchs)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 13:06:15 +0200
Subject: Georgian films
In-Reply-To: <Pine.A41.4.10.9911120003310.78488-100000@dante17.u.washington.edu>
Message-ID: <SUN.14.NOV.1999.130615.0200.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I know the following movies:

        "The Tree of Desire" (or, The Wishing Tree), "Drevo Zhelaniya"
        1977 by Tengiz Abuladze

        A highly emotional movie, tragic, and very demonstrative of the
Georgian culture.

        I can recommend this movie personally, but in general - look for
movies by Abuladze, he is a great director. Check imdb.com.
        Another great Georgian director is Otar Iosseliani. But his
movies, though very Georgian, deal more with human nature, than
ethnography :) At least, that is my impression.

        Two more Georgian classics from the soviet era:

        "Mimino," - by Georgi Danelia, about soviet Georgia, and the
people. A comedy, but a Georgian comedy (and it means a lot).

        "Ne goryuy," - a mediaeval Georgian legend, a comedy again. One of
the best.

        Check on IMDB for the movies of Danelia - he is superb. Most of
his films, though, refer to the lives of simple soviet people. "Afonya"
and "Osenny Marafon" (Autumn Marathon) have nothing to do with Georgian
culture, but they are great and they have the special Georgian
cinematographic feel.

        And there is a great comedy, quite old, about which I do not
remember anything except there was a team of Georgian road workers,
painting markers on the road, and there adventures.

        I'd be delighted to follow this thread.

                                                        A.Fuchs



On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, C. Fields wrote:

> This is not exactly a Slavic question, but I figure Slavicists would be
> the ones to know...
>
> I'm looking for recommendations of favorite Georgian films.  A list of
> titles and/or directors could help when approaching clerks at artsy video
> rental places or when doing a search on a library database. I'm looking
> for films that are both entertaining and illustrative of the culture.
> "Repentance" is the only one I've been able to turn up so far, and I know
> there are many more--lighthearted and serious.
>
> Reply to me off line.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Emily Fields
>


From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Sun Nov 14 12:41:17 1999
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 07:41:17 -0500
Subject: Fw: Nachalo text (fwd)
Message-ID: <SUN.14.NOV.1999.074117.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I'm not sure if this was posted to SEELANGS or not, but I don't think it
was.  Please respond directly to the original poster, whose email address
is listed at the end of the message.


---------- Forwarded message ----------
        This message is addressed to any teachers in secondary schools or in
universities using the text Nachalo.
        I am a high school teacher using Nachalo with individualized materials
from Ohio State University.  My students, even the excellent students,
say that I am assigning too much and it is unreasonable to expect such a
fast pace from them.  I have made three lessons in Nachalo equal to one
semester's credit, thus six lessons in one year of high school Russian.
It is in the second year especially (Book 1 Lessons 7 & 8 and Book 2
Lessons 1-4) that students believe the amount of work done is greater
than in first year and is too much.
        I am aware that one year of high school foreign language is supposed to
equal one semester of college foreign language.  So, my question to you
others who are using this text is:  How much do you cover in one high
school year or one college semester?  What do you and your students
believe is a reasonable pace? In order to cover the material, do you skip
activities or sections, and if so, what?
        Thank you for your advice.
        Eileen Thurman
        Cookson Hills Christian School
        thurmchcs at juno.com

___________________________________________________________________
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From aisrael at american.edu  Sun Nov 14 15:51:01 1999
From: aisrael at american.edu (Alina Israeli)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 10:51:01 -0500
Subject: Georgian films
Message-ID: <SUN.14.NOV.1999.105101.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Looking for Tengiz Abuladze (Chuzhie deti, for. ex.) is one way of
searching, the other is to look for the films with their great star Sofiko
Chiaureli. She is a fantastic actress (and used to be extremely beautiful
in her younger days).

Danelia is more of a "Moscow" director than anything. His last film "Orel i
reshka" is pretty good, but the only ethnic characters there were Gypsy.

And then there was this amazing phenomenon of Sergej Paradzhanov, who I
believe was an Armenian who grew up in Tbilisi, but started his movie
career at the Dovzhenko studio in Kiev. (Cvet granata, Teni zabytyx
predkov).

>I know the following movies:
>
>        "The Tree of Desire" (or, The Wishing Tree), "Drevo Zhelaniya"
>        1977 by Tengiz Abuladze
>
>        Check on IMDB for the movies of Danelia - he is superb. Most of
>his films, though, refer to the lives of simple soviet people. "Afonya"
>and "Osenny Marafon" (Autumn Marathon) have nothing to do with Georgian
>culture, but they are great and they have the special Georgian
>cinematographic feel.

**************************************************************
Alina Israeli
LFS, American University                phone:  (202) 885-2387
4400 Mass. Ave., NW                     fax:    (202) 885-1076
Washington, DC 20016

aisrael at american.edu


From aisrael at american.edu  Sun Nov 14 15:55:01 1999
From: aisrael at american.edu (Alina Israeli)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 10:55:01 -0500
Subject: Georgian films
Message-ID: <SUN.14.NOV.1999.105501.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

And also "Ja, babushka, Iliko i Illarion" (based on the book of Nodar
Dumbazdze/Tengiz Abuladze).

**************************************************************
Alina Israeli
LFS, American University                phone:  (202) 885-2387
4400 Mass. Ave., NW                     fax:    (202) 885-1076
Washington, DC 20016

aisrael at american.edu


From c0654038 at techst02.technion.ac.il  Sun Nov 14 16:44:51 1999
From: c0654038 at techst02.technion.ac.il (Alexey I. Fuchs)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:44:51 +0200
Subject: Georgian films
In-Reply-To: <v01540b03b45594663a18@[208.220.25.41]>
Message-ID: <SUN.14.NOV.1999.184451.0200.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>
> And then there was this amazing phenomenon of Sergej Paradzhanov, who I
> believe was an Armenian who grew up in Tbilisi, but started his movie
> career at the Dovzhenko studio in Kiev. (Cvet granata, Teni zabytyx
> predkov).
>

        I have seen only "Tini zabutyh predkiv" ("The Shadows of Forgotten
Ancestors") by Paradzhanov (as far as I can recall). It is an excellent
movie, but the only thing that connects it to Georgia is that Paradzhanov
grew up there.
        Anyway, this would be a nice link to SEELangs, and the film is
truely outstanding.

        The indispensable IMDb shows that Paradzhanov, at the beginning of
his career at Dovzhenko studio worked mainly on Ukrainian topics. This is
what titles say: "Dumka," "Natalya Ushvij," "Ukrainian Rhapsody" &c.
        However, the mentioned "Cvet granata" is about an Armenian poet,
and his last movie is called "Ashik Kerib," about a minstrel and I recall
somebody praising this movie. By the way, the screenwriter is a Georgian
(Badridze), and Sofiko Chiaureli plays in the movie.

                                                        Alexey


From Melissa_Sokol at brown.edu  Sun Nov 14 17:25:10 1999
From: Melissa_Sokol at brown.edu (Melissa Sokol)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:25:10 -0500
Subject: AAASS 2000 - children's literature panel
Message-ID: <SUN.14.NOV.1999.122510.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELANGers,

I would like to form a panel on Russian children's literature for the 2000
AAASS Convention.  Such a panel could include but not be limited to studies
of the works of Pushkin, Tolstoy, Gorky, contemporary authors and
examinations of what has been/is being
translated into or from Russian.  If you are interested, please respond
off-list.  Thanks!


Sincerely,
Melissa Sokol
Brown University
Department of Slavic Languages
Box E
Providence, RI 02912
(401) 863-2689
Melissa_Sokol at Brown.edu


From nkm at unix.mail.virginia.edu  Sun Nov 14 19:20:51 1999
From: nkm at unix.mail.virginia.edu (Natalie O. Kononenko)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 14:20:51 -0500
Subject: Another Southern Conference on Slavic STudies panel
In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19991113234743.006f0b8c@garnet.cla.sc.edu> from
 "Alexander Ogden" at Nov 13, 99 11:47:43 pm
Message-ID: <SUN.14.NOV.1999.142051.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Slavisty,
        I too am looking to form a panel for the SCSS meeting
in Wilmington, NC.  I am a folklorist and what I would like to
do is break away from being on panels with my fellow
folklorists and organize a panel where folklorists talk to people
in other discipfrom nes.  I dearly love my fellow folklorists,
many of whom are my students, but I feel that both they are I
need to interact with others.


From nkm at unix.mail.virginia.edu  Sun Nov 14 19:25:30 1999
From: nkm at unix.mail.virginia.edu (Natalie O. Kononenko)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 14:25:30 -0500
Subject: Another Southern Conference on Slavic STudies panel
In-Reply-To: <199911141920.OAA55682@node4.unix.Virginia.EDU> from "Natalie O.
 Kononenko" at Nov 14, 99 02:20:51 pm
Message-ID: <SUN.14.NOV.1999.142530.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

My apologies for hitting the "send" key rather than the "edit"
key.  Here is how my message should read:

        I too am looking to form a panel for the SCSS meeting
in Wilmington, NC.  I am a folklorist and what I would like to
do is break away from being on panels with my fellow
folklorists and organize a panel where folklorists talk to
people
from other disciplines.  I dearly love my fellow folklorists,
many of whom are my students, but I feel that both they are I
need to interact with others.  I myself work in rural Ukraine.
Are there others interested in either rural studies (any part
of the FSU or Eastern Europe) or Ukrainian studies who would
like to get together with me?  Please reply off list to me at
nkm at virginia.edu.

Natalie Kononenko


From lclittle at socrates.berkeley.edu  Sun Nov 14 20:43:45 1999
From: lclittle at socrates.berkeley.edu (Lisa Little)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:43:45 -0800
Subject: Scanning and Russian OCR
In-Reply-To: <A72E340C1CE4D011947A00805F312A83044BBC14@jaguar.middlebury.edu>
Message-ID: <SUN.14.NOV.1999.124345.0800.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

The funniest word that I have heard for a sweatshirt was by a 14-year-old
girl from Moscow.  She and her friends were using the word "tolstovka"
without being aware of its original meaning.  Her mother wasn't sure how
widespread this usage was, though.


>         I'm using a Macintosh-has anyone had good fortune with a scanner
>and Russian Optical Character recognition software?? Are there any programs
>that scan into a web readable font?
>
>        And just a language question-what are the current Russian words for
>"sweatshirt" and "permanent press"?
>
>        Thanks
>
>         ============================


From Uchityel at aol.com  Mon Nov 15 00:39:02 1999
From: Uchityel at aol.com (Brian Lehmann)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 19:39:02 EST
Subject: TPR stories in Russian
Message-ID: <SUN.14.NOV.1999.193902.EST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Greetings to reader!

I would like to find some ready-written total physical response stories a la
Blayne Ray, so that I don't have to compose my own.  If anybody is familiar
with such materials, please refer me to the source.

byl by ocen' blagodaren!!

Brian Lehmann
uchityel at aol.com


From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Mon Nov 15 10:34:01 1999
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 05:34:01 -0500
Subject: TPR stories
Message-ID: <MON.15.NOV.1999.053401.0500.DPBROWNE@PITT.EDU>

I too would be interested if anyone knows of any TPR packets in Russian.

Devin / Divan

Devin P Browne
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu


> I would like to find some ready-written total physical response stories
> a la Blayne Ray, so that I don't have to compose my own.  If anybody is
> familiar with such materials, please refer me to the source.
>
> byl by ocen' blagodaren!!
>
> Brian Lehmann
> uchityel at aol.com


From kenneth.udut at spcorp.com  Mon Nov 15 13:52:27 1999
From: kenneth.udut at spcorp.com (Udut, Kenneth)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:52:27 -0500
Subject: Some Russian TPR mini-stories (RE: TPR stories in Russian)
Message-ID: <MON.15.NOV.1999.085227.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

There is a high-school teacher in Alaska
who is translating the stories into Russian for
her highschool Russian class.

She is translating on the fly.

I don't want to give out her name, as she
is a busy enough woman already, but she
is allowing me to pass on what she
has so far.

Attached is most of what she has
given me so far in RTF. Apologies to
those who cannot receive attachments.

NOTE: There will be some errors
as she is using macintosh, and I'm
using windows, and we never did get
together a decent transfer system going,
so I have had to use "Cyrillic Central"
to convert from Mac Cyrillic to Win-1251,
then using Word, take out "garbage"
data from top and bottom of file,
remove some problems in the text
(I didn't catch them all since I
did it only for my usage), then I
put the English and Russian vocabulary
items in columns.  She also includes
some stories written by her students.

It's a messy file, but if you don't
mind playing with it, here it is.


P.S. - get Blaine Ray's book "Fluency through
TPR Storytelling" - I'm using the method
(along with others methods), to help learn
Russian, and really quite a good technique - simple
and interesting.


--
-- Kenneth.Udut at SPCORP.COM
--



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From Uchityel at aol.com  Mon Nov 15 14:12:29 1999
From: Uchityel at aol.com (Brian Lehmann)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 09:12:29 EST
Subject: Some Russian TPR mini-stories (RE: TPR stories i
Message-ID: <MON.15.NOV.1999.091229.EST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Kenneth,

Thank you so much for the attachment.

Brian

Uchityel at aol.com


From jrader at m-w.com  Mon Nov 15 12:05:30 1999
From: jrader at m-w.com (Jim Rader)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 12:05:30 +0000
Subject: Georgian films
Message-ID: <MON.15.NOV.1999.120530.0000.>

An amazing film in Georgian by Paradzhanov, cordirected by Dodo
Abashidze, is _Legenda Suramskoj kreposti_ (I don't know the Georgian
title).  It's in the dreamlike style of _Cvet granata_, but
Paradzhanov was back in official graces when it was made and the
production values and cinematography are first-rate. Sofiko Chiaureli
is in the cast.   I saw it around 1987 and was stunned by it.  I'd
like to see his last two films.

Jim Rader

> >
> > And then there was this amazing phenomenon of Sergej Paradzhanov, who I
> > believe was an Armenian who grew up in Tbilisi, but started his movie
> > career at the Dovzhenko studio in Kiev. (Cvet granata, Teni zabytyx
> > predkov).
> >
>
>         I have seen only "Tini zabutyh predkiv" ("The Shadows of Forgotten
> Ancestors") by Paradzhanov (as far as I can recall). It is an excellent
> movie, but the only thing that connects it to Georgia is that Paradzhanov
> grew up there.
>         Anyway, this would be a nice link to SEELangs, and the film is
> truely outstanding.
>
>         The indispensable IMDb shows that Paradzhanov, at the beginning of
> his career at Dovzhenko studio worked mainly on Ukrainian topics. This is
> what titles say: "Dumka," "Natalya Ushvij," "Ukrainian Rhapsody" &c.
>         However, the mentioned "Cvet granata" is about an Armenian poet,
> and his last movie is called "Ashik Kerib," about a minstrel and I recall
> somebody praising this movie. By the way, the screenwriter is a Georgian
> (Badridze), and Sofiko Chiaureli plays in the movie.
>
>                                                         Alexey
>


From lkeefe at falcon.cc.ukans.edu  Mon Nov 15 17:14:07 1999
From: lkeefe at falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Leann Keefe)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 11:14:07 -0600
Subject: Kuchanov
In-Reply-To: <17011140141086@m-w.com>
Message-ID: <MON.15.NOV.1999.111407.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

A student has asked for help in finding Evgenii Ivanovich Kuchanov.  He is
a member of the Russian Academy of Sciences and Professor of East Asian
History in St. Petersburg.  If you know how to get in touch with him,
please respond to me off list, or if anyone has suggestions of how else to
look, let me know that too!
Leann Keefe
University of Kansas


From ltaxman at ucsj.com  Mon Nov 15 21:58:37 1999
From: ltaxman at ucsj.com (Lindsey Taxman)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 16:58:37 -0500
Subject: Internship Opportunity - Washington, DC
Message-ID: <MON.15.NOV.1999.165837.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

INTERNSHIPS for Spring/Summer 2000

Union of Councils for Soviet Jews, a Jewish and human rights advocacy and
service organization, seeks interns for Spring/Summer 2000.  Internship
positions are unpaid.  Each intern will work primarily with staff involved
in the following three program areas:

International Assistance Program 
The intern will assist with projects surrounding UCSJ's international
humanitarian aid program "Yad L'Yad," (Hebrew for "Hand to Hand").  The
program pairs U.S. synagogues with Jewish communities in the former Soviet
Union in a sister city-like partnership.  Projects will include research
and writing for project newsletter, press releases and information
compilation and organization.  ** Russian language skill desired, but not
required.

Antisemitism Research Documentation Project
The intern will assist with the Antisemitism Research Documentation Project
by researching, compiling and translating documents and reports of
incidents of antisemitism and human rights violations in the former Soviet
Union.  The intern will also assist with the distribution of the
documentation to asylum attorneys, the State Department, and other relevant
government agencies.  ** Russian language skills desirable.

Central Asia Human Rights Intern:
Intern will assist Abdumannob Polat, Director of the Central Asian Human
Rights and Monitoring Network (CAHRIN), which is based in UCSJ's offices.
Intern will work on organizing information flow, particularly working with
database programs and organizing communication lists throughout the office,
press issues, WWW documents, and will attend hearings and other appropriate
press venues.  ** Russian and Uzbek language skills desired, but not required.

INTERN REQUIREMENTS:
·  Serious weekly commitment-hours flexible/negotiable 
·  Interest in human rights, Jewish issues and/or the former Soviet Union

INTERESTED CANDIDATES:
Please forward a resume, cover letter including availability, and a writing
sample to:

Sarah Manaker
Union of Councils for Soviet Jews (UCSJ)
1819 H St. NW, #230 - Washington, DC  20006
Phone:  202/775-9770, ext. 16 - Fax:  202/775-9776
Email: smanaker at ucsj.com - Website: http://www.fsumonitor.com









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For more information on Jews and human rights in the former Soviet Union, 
please contact ucsj at ucsj.com or visit us on the web at
http://www.fsumonitor.com.
Union of Councils for Soviet Jews
1819 H Street, NW Suite 230
Washington, DC 20006
(202) 775 9770
(202) 775 9776 (fax)
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From anon at example.com  Tue Nov 16 01:30:42 1999
From: anon at example.com (anon at example.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 02:30:42 +0100
Subject: Programma-perevodchik
Message-ID: <TUE.16.NOV.1999.023042.0100.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Gospoda aeksperty,

Po-angliyski vy ne ponimaete, po-russki tozhe vryad li, no stoit
poprobovat'. Nuzhna programma-perevodchik s angliyskogo na russkiy ili na
nemetskiy. Zhelatel'no, chtob ona byla skachivaema s seti. Intim i
gerbalaif ne predlagat'.




From Lvisson at aol.com  Tue Nov 16 01:41:28 1999
From: Lvisson at aol.com (Lynn Visson)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:41:28 EST
Subject: Emigre memoir available
Message-ID: <MON.15.NOV.1999.204128.EST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

For those colleagues interested in life in the Russian emigration and in the
art world:  "Fair Warning," by Vladimir Visson, a memoir of a Russian
emigre's life in pre-revolutionary Kiev, Germany and Paris, and the
post-world war II New York art world, where Visson was the director of the
Wildenstein art gallery in New York for over 35 years,  which was out of
print, can now be viewed at www.lexiconbridge.com


From c0654038 at techst02.technion.ac.il  Tue Nov 16 07:55:06 1999
From: c0654038 at techst02.technion.ac.il (Alexey I. Fuchs)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:55:06 +0200
Subject: Programma-perevodchik
Message-ID: <TUE.16.NOV.1999.095506.0200.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Gospodin,

Pervoe. Polnocennyh programm-perevodchikov poka ne suschestvuet. Uroven'
suschestvuyuschih pozvolyaet sverit' perevod s ishodnym textom dlya
vyyasneniya smysla kakogo-libo slova, no ne bolee togo. Esli chelovek ne
ulavlivaet sintaksisa angliyskogo predlozheniya, mashina ne poymet tem
bolee. Odnako,
Vtoroe. Poprobuyte babelfish.altavista.com - eto perevodchik online,
russkogo tam net, no na nemeckiy perevedet. Pravda, ya ne uveren, chto Vy
poymete, chto ona perevela. Suschestvuet takzhe programma PROMT
(www.promt.ru ili .com), vozmozhno est' shareware version, kotoruyu mozhno
skachat'.
Tret'e i poslednee. Esli Vy polagaete, chto ni po-angliyski ni po-russki
(a uzh tem bolee po-nemecki!) zdes' nikto ne ponimaet, to probovat' ne
stoit.

                                                        Iskrenne Vash,
                                                                Alexey



On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, wrote:

> Gospoda aeksperty,
>
> Po-angliyski vy ne ponimaete, po-russki tozhe vryad li, no stoit
> poprobovat'. Nuzhna programma-perevodchik s angliyskogo na russkiy ili na
> nemetskiy. Zhelatel'no, chtob ona byla skachivaema s seti. Intim i
> gerbalaif ne predlagat'.
>
> 
>


From dburrous at jeffco.k12.co.us  Tue Nov 16 14:20:17 1999
From: dburrous at jeffco.k12.co.us (David Burrous)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 07:20:17 -0700
Subject: FL advocacy video
Message-ID: <TUE.16.NOV.1999.072017.0700.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

The Colorado Congress of Foreign Languages has produced such a video entitled
"The World Has Many Voices".  It is 7 minutes long, making it ideal to show to
PTA's, student advocacy groups, parents, students, "animal" clubs, etc.  It is
available for $8.00 (including postage).  You may order them from:  Betsy
Berwanger, Executive Secretary, CCFLT, bberwanger at vines.colostate.edu.
Thank you.
David Burrous
President-elect, CCFLT

Devin P Browne wrote:

> While we're on the subject of advocacy for our Russian programs, I should
> mention that Pennsylvania State Modern Language Association has recently
> produced a 16 minute video about the importance of foreign language
> learning and its place in today's business world.  It's directed toward
> administrators, school board members, PTO's, and students.  While it's not
> Russian-specific at all, it can be a useful tool if you need to find
> justification for your program to your higher-ups.
>
> The video will be playing at ACTFL in Dallas (I think they will have it
> running during lunch??).  More info about the packet can be obtained from
> the PSMLA web site:
>
> http://ml.hss.cmu.edu/psmla/
>
> Click on the link to "Advocacy Packet."
>
> Devin / Divan
>
> Devin P Browne
> dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu

--
David Burrous, Coordinator of Foreign Languages &
Foreign Exchange Students
e.mail:  dburrous at jeffco.k12.co.us
Phone:  303-982-5927
Fax:  303-279-8525
Foreign Language home page:
http://204.98.1.2/isu/language/index.html
Foreign Exchange home page:
http://204.98.1.2/isu/forex/index.html
Address:  Jefferson County Public Schools
Tanglewood Resource Center
13950 West 20th Avenue
PO Box 4001
Golden, CO  80401-0001


From Lvisson at aol.com  Tue Nov 16 17:35:15 1999
From: Lvisson at aol.com (Lynn Visson)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:35:15 EST
Subject: Interesting resources
Message-ID: <TUE.16.NOV.1999.123515.EST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Colleagues may find the following of interest:Free online Russian-English
dictionary for beginning and intermediate
learners called The Russian Dictionary Tree. 12,000 entries with very
detailed definitions, hundreds of sentential examples, and complete
morphological information, including every inflected form spelled out:

http://russian.dmll.cornell.edu/rdt/

An audio recording of Mednyj vsadnik (24 minutes) in RealAudio format,
accompanied by links to a complete annotated text in Russian, and some
related historical notes in English.http://russian.dmll.cornell.edu/horseman/

Both are linked to Cornell's Russian program home page,
russian.dmll.cornell.edu


From djbpitt+seelangs at pitt.edu  Tue Nov 16 21:07:11 1999
From: djbpitt+seelangs at pitt.edu (David J Birnbaum)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:07:11 -0500
Subject: grant announcement
Message-ID: <TUE.16.NOV.1999.160711.0500.DJBPITTSEELANGS@PITT.EDU>

Posted for ACLS. Please respond directly to them.
____________________________

Grants for
INSTRUCTION in EAST EUROPEAN LANGUAGES
1999-2000 competition

The ACLS will offer grants of up to $10,000 to U.S. institutions to support
beginning or intermediate courses providing intensive instruction in the
East European languages in year 2000 summer programs in the United States.
Support will be available for Albanian, Bulgarian, Czech, Hungarian,
Macedonian, Polish, Romanian, Serbo-Croatian, Slovak, or Slovene.  The
intent of this program is to assure the availability of elementary
instruction in all of these languages and of intermediate instruction in
the more commonly taught of them.  Ten or more awards may be made, and a
single school may apply for several awards.

The deadline for the receipt of completed applications is December 15,
1999.  Send completed applications to:  Office of Fellowships and Grants,
ACLS, 228 East 45 Street, New York, NY 10017-3398.  There are no
application forms.

To apply, a proposal should be submitted not exceeding five typed,
double-spaced, 8½ x 11" pages, plus short, teaching c.v.'s of the proposed
instructors, and a detailed budget describing how the award will be used.
Non-xeroxable brochures, catalogues, or bound material should not be
included.  Proposals must be submitted by mail; they will not be accepted
by fax, e-mail, or other electronic means.

The in-struction should be offered in an intensive course lasting 6-8
weeks.  It should be designed to prepare the students to do further work on
their own after returning to their home institutions and also to activate
their use of the language when they go abroad to an area where it is
spo-ken.  The course should therefore cover all of the basic structures of
the language, emphasize reading ability, and include conversational skills.
Emphasis should be given to attaining usable profi-ciency in the language
as quickly as possible.  Courses should provide at least 3-4 contact hours
of language instruction, five days per week.  Instructors should have
appropriate aca-demic cre-dentials and demonstrated teaching skills
Applications should describe proposed teaching meth-ods and materials,
listing the texts and other materials to be used, and should es-timate and
cate-gorize enrollment by numbers of graduate students, undergraduates,
etc.  A short budget for the course, listing expected sources of income and
projected expenses should be included.

Grants are primarily intended to support faculty salaries.  Support may
also be requested for in-structional materials and other expenses, but not
for university overhead.  Supported programs must waive tuition for
graduate students specializing in East European studies in any discipline.


From slbaehr at vt.edu  Tue Nov 16 21:49:33 1999
From: slbaehr at vt.edu (Stephen L. Baehr)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:49:33 -0500
Subject: Fwd: Russian Interpreter
Message-ID: <TUE.16.NOV.1999.164933.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

If anyone knows of a recent grad who might be interested in this job,
please have them contact the person below (not me) immediately. I know
nothing about the group, so I can't vouch for their reliability.
   Steve Baehr

>Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:06:58 -0500 (EST)
>From: MariaJL at aol.com
>Subject: Russian Interpreter
>To: slbaehr at VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU
>X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.1 for Mac sub 84
>
>Hello,
>
>I am writing from the production offices of a national touring company --
>that currently has a theatrical production on the road.  Our orchestra is
>made up of Armenian and Ukrainian musicians.
>
>We are looking to find an interpreter who would like to travel with our
>group, act as an interpreter, and, ideally, who also has the business skills
>to act as an Assistant Company Manager on the road.
>
>It is our hope that an advanced Student from your University might be
>interested in this position.
>
>The Interpreter/Manager would be responsible not only for communicating needs
>and information, but also for any production duties that may be required as
>ACM.  The Interpreter/Manager must be reliable, organized, able to work well
>in stressful situations, and fluent in both English and Russian.
>
>We are a highly respected theatrical company, and produce several tours a
>year.  This is, however, our first experience working with international
>employees (when we are not in THEIR country, that is).
>
>The tour is currently scheduled to run until May of 2000 -- and is mainly a
>"one-nighter".   This means that the tour moves to a different city almost
>every day.  Travel is via the company bus (with the occasional flight
>possible). The interpreter/manager would have the opportunity to see a huge
>portion of the United States.
>Salary and per diem would be paid, and worker's compensation insurance
>applies.
>Travel is also provided.
>Hotel accommodations are made in advance by our offices.
>
>This production has just begun production, but we need an Interpreter/Manager
>to begin work as soon as possible.
>
>Please respond to this email with any candidates, further questions, or
>suggestions on where I might find a male or female who would enjoy this work.
>
>Thank you very much for your assistance.
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------
Stephen L. Baehr (slbaehr at vt.edu)
 Professor of Russian
 Editor, +Slavic and East European Journal+
 Department of Foreign Languages and Literatures
 Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
 Blacksburg, VA 24061-0225
 Phones:(540) 231-8323 (direct); (540) 231-5361 (secretaries), 231-9846
(Ed. Asst,)
 FAX: (540) 231-4812
----->NOTE NEW ADDRESS. Old address will no longer work.<-----


From daf at meirionnydd.force9.co.uk  Tue Nov 16 16:29:04 1999
From: daf at meirionnydd.force9.co.uk (Daf)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:29:04 -0000
Subject: Some Russian TPR mini-stories (RE: TPR stories in Russian)
Message-ID: <TUE.16.NOV.1999.162904.0000.>

Thank you Kenneth and also to the lady in Alska. I can't see why anyone
should object to her doing that. Her employers should be grateful she does
so much extra work for her students.
Incidentally I haven't seen any mistakes on first glance. My computer has
recently gone over to Word97 which uses Unicode so some things I have to
put into WordPerfect, but I try Word first. This went into sth. very
strange but I switched fonts to CP1251 and all is clear.

Daf
[web page- http://www.meirionnydd.force9.co.uk ]


From sher07 at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov 17 16:20:31 1999
From: sher07 at bellsouth.net (Benjamin Sher)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:20:31 -0600
Subject: SR Index -- What's New?
Message-ID: <WED.17.NOV.1999.102031.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear friends:

I am now making arrangements to resume updating my Index. My problem has
been to find the proper bookmark tool in Linux, which I have been
running since February, to replace the one I used in Windows. One way or
another, I should be in a position to resume updating by the end of the
year if not earlier.

I want to take this opportunity to thank those of you who have asked me
to include them on my Index. I will be more than happy to add your site
when I am ready to do so.

Benjamin

--
Benjamin and Anna Sher
Email:sher07 at bellsouth.net
Sher's Russian Web
http://www.websher.net


From awachtel at casbah.acns.nwu.edu  Wed Nov 17 17:16:05 1999
From: awachtel at casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Andrew Wachtel)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:16:05 -0600
Subject: AATSEEL Publications Prizes
In-Reply-To: <3832D5CF.E075C315@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <WED.17.NOV.1999.111605.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

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From roman at admin.ut.ee  Wed Nov 17 22:48:54 1999
From: roman at admin.ut.ee (R_L)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 00:48:54 +0200
Subject: ruthenia.ru
In-Reply-To: <199911062051.WAA22606@kadri.ut.ee>
Message-ID: <THU.18.NOV.1999.004854.0200.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELANGsters,
the text below is in transliterated Russian.
We have also attached file in plane Russian (cp1251) for
transliteration-haters.

*************
Uvazhaemye kollegi,

v sledujushchem godu kafedra russkoj literatury Tartuskogo universiteta i
moskovskoe <Ob'edinennoe gumanitarnoe izdatel'stvo> (O.G.I.) planirujut
otkrytie sovmestnogo proekta v Internete.

Proekt orientirovan na maksimal'noe ispol'zovanie setevoj sredy dlja
nauchnogo obmena, provedenija diskussij, elektronnyh publikacij /
republikacij, operativnoj informacii o tekushchih sobytijah.

Spisok rassylki SEELANGs stal odnim iz glavnyh instrumentov
informacii o sobytijah nauchnoj zhizni slavisticheskogo soobshchestva
Severnoj Ameriki. K sozhaleniju, ni evropejskie, ni russkie kollegi takim
sredstvom obshchenija ne obladajut.

Osnovnaja cel' proekta - organizacija v setevoj srede effektivnogo mehanizma
vzaimodejstvija uchenyh, v sferu professional'nyh interesov kotoryh vhodit
izuchenie istorii russkoj kul'tury (literaturovedov, lingvistov, istorikov i
t.d.)

Osnovnoj jazyk budushchego sajta - russkij.

V ramkah proekta predpolagaetsja neskol'ko blokov.

1. Novostnoj blok, vkljuchajushchij v sebja reguljarno obnovljaemuju
informaciju o sobytijah nauchnoj zhizni (konferencijah, zashchitah
dissertacij, novyh izdanijah i pr.) Osnovnym istochnikom informacii zdes'
budet sluzhit' special'no organizovannyj spisok rassylki (mailing list).
Takim obrazom, vsja informacija, prohodjashchaja v lente novostej, budet
avtorizovana.
(Chernovoj variant lenty novostej sm.:
http://www.ruthenia.ru/ruth/hronika.html ).

Dlja kolleg, predpochitajushchih elektronnuju pochtu drugim sposobam
internet-dejatel'nosti, budet predusmotrena vozmozhnost' poluchenija
ezhenedel'nogo dajdzhesta lenty novostej po pochte.
****
NB!
SEELANGs, kak legko mozhno zametit' - ves'ma vazhen dlja nas kak istochnik
aktual'noj informacii o sobytijax v zhizni nauchnogo soobshchestva
(konferencii, vakansii, izdanija, kursy, setevaja zhizn'). My namereny i v
dal'nejshem ispol'zovat' etu informaciju. Odnako nadezhnee vsego bylo by
posylat' anonsy prjamo na nash adres (staff at ruthenia.ru). My garantiruem
adekvatnost' perevodov na russkij.
***


2. Rusistika na Webe. S 1996 goda v Tartu podderzhivaetsja postojanno
obnovljaemyj spisok internet-predstavitel'stv akademicheskih podrazdelenij
(kafedry, instituty, shkoly), svjazannyh s ocherchennoj vyshe sferoj
interesov. V nastojashchee vremja etot spisok sushchestvenno obnovlen i
dopolnen.

V dal'nejshem predpolagaetsja vozmozhnost' razmeshchenija russkih versij
www-stranic na nashem servere.

(Oznakomit'sja s obnovlennym i dopolnennym variantom mozhno po adresu
http://www.ruthenia.ru/ruth/rusweb.html ). O novom adrese my uvedomim
dopolnitel'no vsex, chji stranicy vkljucheny v spisok i vsex, kto postavil
ssylki na spisok.

3. Sistema diskussij / spiskov rassylki (mailing lists). Neobhodimoe uslovie
sushchestvovanija ljubogo nauchnogo soobshchestva - svobodnyj obmen
mnenijami. My predpolagaem shiroko ispol'zovat' vozmozhnosti nauchnogo
obshchenija, predostavljaemye Internetom.

K sozhaleniju, v nashej oblasti issledovanij eti vozmozhnosti ispol'zovalis'
do sih por nedostatochno. V ramkah proekta budet
sozdana sistema elektronnyh diskussij / konferencij s raznoj (vybiraemoj
uchastnikami) stepen'ju otkrytosti / moderiruemosti.

4. Elektronnye izdanija. V poslednie gody v raznyh oblastjah fundamental'noj
nauki vse bol'shee znachenie nachinajut priobretat' nauchnye elektronnye
izdanija. Ssylki na nih stanovjatsja stol' zhe avtoritetnymi, kak i na
tradicionnye izdanija. My planiruem neskol'ko elektronnyh <serij>:

- reprinty, delajushchie dostupnymi raritetnye nauchnye issledovanija;
- preprinty nauchnyh i spravochnyh izdanij;
- ezhekvartal'nyj zhurnal (stat'i, soobshchenija, publikacii, recenzii,
obzory).

Zhurnal budet orientirovan na osveshchenie istorii russkoj literatury i
teoretiko-literaturnye problemy. V redkollegiju zhurnala vojdut avtoritetnye
v ukazannyh oblastjah filologicheskoj nauki specialisty. Godovoj komplekt
zhurnala predpolagaetsja takzhe izdavat' tradicionnym sposobom.

Avtorskij kollektiv proekta prilozhit vse usilija dlja dostizhenija
maksimal'nogo vizual'nogo sootvetstvija <elektronnoj> i <bumazhnoj> versij
zhurnala. Mozhno budet podpisat'sja na poluchenie kazhdogo ezhekvartal'nogo
vypuska po elektronnoj pochte (v odnom iz naibolee rasprostranennyh
tekstovyh formatov po zhelaniju podpischika)

Predpolagaemyj adres proekta - www.ruthenia.ru

NB! "Ruthenia" - oficial'noe nazvanie russkoj studencheskoj korporacii v
Derptskom/Jurjevskom/Tartuskom universitete. Nikakix associacij s nesomenno
uvazhaemymi nami karpatskimi rusinami pri etom u russkix korporantov ne
bylo. Ne pretenduem na nix i my.

Dlja poluchenija dal'nejshej informacii vy mozhete poslat' pis'mo
koordinatoram proekta po adresu:

staff at ruthenia.ru

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Nami organizovan spisok rassylki dlja osuzhdenija proekta. Udobnee vsego
podpisat'sja, ispol'zuja  nash web-interface
(http://www.ruthenia.ru/subscribe.html)
Vyberite kodirovku, v kotoroj Vy xotite poluchat' pis'ma (ili
transliteraciju), vpishite svoj adres i nazhmite na knopku "subscribe".
Pervaja tema spiska rassylki - organizavcija setevyx diskussij. S pervym
pis'mom podpischikam mozhno oznakomit'sja po adresu
http://www.ruthenia.ru/ruth/general.txt
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S uvazheniem i nadezhdoj na plodotvornoe sotrudnichestvo,

Roman Leibov, Ilon Fraiman (staff at ruthenia.ru)
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From renyxa at redline.ru  Thu Nov 18 09:13:25 1999
From: renyxa at redline.ru (Tver InterContact Group)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:13:25 +0300
Subject: Winter School for Applied Russian Studies in Tver
Message-ID: <THU.18.NOV.1999.121325.0300.>

Dear List Members,

I thought you might be interested in the following information about the
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From kswanson at indiana.edu  Thu Nov 18 13:35:43 1999
From: kswanson at indiana.edu (Kimberly Swanson)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:35:43 -0500
Subject: Question: Consonant Cluster Assimilation
Message-ID: <THU.18.NOV.1999.083543.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I am looking for any work that has been done regarding acquisition
of voicing assimilation in consonant clusters (in any Slavic language) by
English-speaking learners.

If anyone knows of work that has been done in this area, I would
appreciate any information. I can be reached at: kswanson at indiana.edu

Thank you in advance!


From Katherine.Lahti at Mail.Trincoll.Edu  Thu Nov 18 14:39:42 1999
From: Katherine.Lahti at Mail.Trincoll.Edu (Katherine Lahti)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:39:42 -0500
Subject: Plato and art censorship (fwd)
Message-ID: <THU.18.NOV.1999.093942.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

This query was forwarded to me from a colleague in classics. Always
interesting to learn what other fields want from ours...

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 22:55:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Martha.Risser at Mail.Trincoll.Edu
To: katherine.lahti at Mail.Trincoll.Edu
Subject: Plato and art censorship (fwd)



---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:30:22 +0530
From: A. Basu <anupam at COMPORTS.COM>
Reply-To: History of the Ancient Mediterranean
    <ANCIEN-L at LISTSERV.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
To: ANCIEN-L at LISTSERV.LOUISVILLE.EDU
Subject: Plato and art censorship

Hello,
        I just read the Republic and was wondering if any one had found
similarities between what Plato says about art and the practice of
censorship in the USSR. It seems to me that the reasons he gives for
this(e.g. -The state needs brave soldiers - musical modes other than the
Dorian and Phrygian are not conducive to courage and self-control -
therefore we will not allow other modes) are very similar to the ideals that
formed the basis of such censorship in Russia.

Now, I am not very knowledgeable about the actual circumstances of Russia
but it seems to me that their censorship had a theoretical basis other than
than the mere Big Brother attitude that 'anything against the Party is bad'.
That is why not only subversive literature but also much apparently
apolitical art(the composers - Prokofiev and Shoshtakovich for example) also
faced censorship.

Could anyone point me to any such 'Marxist' discussion of Plato's
aesthetics. I somehow feel that overall the Communist states in Russia and
now in China are the closest we have come to a theoretically _'constructed'_
state such as the Republic advocates though I realize how far from any
Communist ideals Plato is.

Thanks for any help.
Anupam.
<anupam at presidency.com>


From daf at meirionnydd.force9.co.uk  Thu Nov 18 14:35:41 1999
From: daf at meirionnydd.force9.co.uk (Daf)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:35:41 -0000
Subject: ruthenia.ru
Message-ID: <THU.18.NOV.1999.143541.0000.>

> Dear SEELANGsters,
> the text below is in transliterated Russian.
> We have also attached file in plane Russian (cp1251) for
> transliteration-haters.

Are you sure? Have a look <g>
One of the translit haters
Daf
[web page- http://www.meirionnydd.force9.co.uk ]


From Stanislav.Tchernyshov at lidenz.ru  Thu Nov 18 16:17:47 1999
From: Stanislav.Tchernyshov at lidenz.ru (Stanislav Tchernyshov)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 19:17:47 +0300
Subject: Plato and art censorship (fwd)
Message-ID: <THU.18.NOV.1999.191747.0300.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

It's an interesting observation, just let's not forget that the
Communist states clamed to be, and were to some respect, egalitarian,
while Plato's Republic for sure wasn't. That is, these two models are
different in the sense of their view of the human nature. In Plato's
state the criteria used to judge works of art were "anthropological",
while in the Souiet Union the approach was more "sociological".

Stanislav Tchernyshov
Academic Supervisor

===============================================
Liden & Denz St.Petersburg (Russia)

Language Centre St.Petersburg
PO Box 8, FIN 53501 Lappeenranta, Suomi-Finland
Phone: +7-812-325 22 41; Fax: +7-812-325 12 84
Stanislav.Tchernyshov at Lidenz.Ru, http://www.lidenz.ru
===================================

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Katherine Lahti [SMTP:Katherine.Lahti at mail.cc.trincoll.edu]
> Sent: 18 NOQBRQ 1999 G. 17:40
> To:   SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
> Subject:      Plato and art censorship (fwd)
>
>


From a.jameson at dial.pipex.com  Thu Nov 18 18:07:20 1999
From: a.jameson at dial.pipex.com (Andrew Jameson)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:07:20 -0000
Subject: ruthenia.ru
Message-ID: <THU.18.NOV.1999.180720.0000.>

Uvazhaemye Kollegi,
Spasibo za Vash ochen' interesnyi email,
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From: R_L <roman at admin.ut.ee>
To: SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
Subject: ruthenia.ru
Date: 17 November 1999 22:48

Dear SEELANGsters,
the text below is in transliterated Russian.
We have also attached file in plane Russian (cp1251) for
transliteration-haters.

*************
Uvazhaemye kollegi,

v sledujushchem godu kafedra russkoj literatury Tartuskogo universiteta i
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(Chernovoj variant lenty novostej sm.:
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Dlja kolleg, predpochitajushchih elektronnuju pochtu drugim sposobam
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obnovljaemyj spisok internet-predstavitel'stv akademicheskih podrazdelenij
(kafedry, instituty, shkoly), svjazannyh s ocherchennoj vyshe sferoj
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sushchestvovanija ljubogo nauchnogo soobshchestva - svobodnyj obmen
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maksimal'nogo vizual'nogo sootvetstvija <elektronnoj> i <bumazhnoj> versij
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NB! "Ruthenia" - oficial'noe nazvanie russkoj studencheskoj korporacii v
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From darancourlaferriere at ucdavis.edu  Thu Nov 18 19:57:09 1999
From: darancourlaferriere at ucdavis.edu (Daniel Rancour-Laferriere)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:57:09 -0800
Subject: Plato and art censorship (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.02.9911180938330.16709-100000@shakti.cc.trincol l.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.18.NOV.1999.115709.0800.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Good question.  The trouble is, censorship has always existed in Russia,
not just during the Soviet period, but also in the earlier tsarist period.
Censorship there is not specifically a "Marxist" thing, but a Russian
thing.  Censorship did not disappear until the late 1980s- early 90s.  For
more detail on this, I would recommend contacting my colleague Yuri
Druzhnikov, who teaches a course on censorship in Russia
(ydruzhnikov at ucdavis.edu).

Cheers,
Daniel R-L
darancourlaferriere at ucdavis.edu


At 09:39 AM 11/18/99 -0500, you wrote:
>This query was forwarded to me from a colleague in classics. Always
>interesting to learn what other fields want from ours...
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 22:55:43 -0500 (EST)
>From: Martha.Risser at Mail.Trincoll.Edu
>To: katherine.lahti at Mail.Trincoll.Edu
>Subject: Plato and art censorship (fwd)
>
>
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 20:30:22 +0530
>From: A. Basu <anupam at COMPORTS.COM>
>Reply-To: History of the Ancient Mediterranean
>    <ANCIEN-L at LISTSERV.LOUISVILLE.EDU>
>To: ANCIEN-L at LISTSERV.LOUISVILLE.EDU
>Subject: Plato and art censorship
>
>Hello,
>        I just read the Republic and was wondering if any one had found
>similarities between what Plato says about art and the practice of
>censorship in the USSR. It seems to me that the reasons he gives for
>this(e.g. -The state needs brave soldiers - musical modes other than the
>Dorian and Phrygian are not conducive to courage and self-control -
>therefore we will not allow other modes) are very similar to the ideals that
>formed the basis of such censorship in Russia.
>
>Now, I am not very knowledgeable about the actual circumstances of Russia
>but it seems to me that their censorship had a theoretical basis other than
>than the mere Big Brother attitude that 'anything against the Party is bad'.
>That is why not only subversive literature but also much apparently
>apolitical art(the composers - Prokofiev and Shoshtakovich for example) also
>faced censorship.
>
>Could anyone point me to any such 'Marxist' discussion of Plato's
>aesthetics. I somehow feel that overall the Communist states in Russia and
>now in China are the closest we have come to a theoretically _'constructed'_
>state such as the Republic advocates though I realize how far from any
>Communist ideals Plato is.
>
>Thanks for any help.
>Anupam.
><anupam at presidency.com>
>


From llozny at shiva.hunter.cuny.edu  Thu Nov 18 21:33:18 1999
From: llozny at shiva.hunter.cuny.edu (Ludomir Lozny)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:33:18 -0500
Subject: International MA in Russian Studies (fwd)
Message-ID: <THU.18.NOV.1999.163318.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

forwarded from another list; alert your students (if interested)

Ludomir R. Lozny
Adj. Lecturer
Dept. of Anthropology
Hunter College
City University of New York
695 Park Avenue
New York, NY 10021
USA
e-mail: llozny at shiva.hunter.cuny.edu
tel. (212)772-5410
fax  (212)772-5423
visit our Web at http://maxweber.hunter.cuny.edu/anthro/

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:14:55 -0500 (EST)
From: oleg kharkhordin <kharkhor at fas.harvard.edu>
To: russian-studies at mailbase.ac.uk, russian-teaching at mailbase.ac.uk
Subject: International MA in Russian Studies



Dear Colleagues:

Perhaps you have US students who might be interested. UK students are
welcome as well, but the November deadline for funding concerns US citizens
only.

We would appreciate you drawing attention of your students to an
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available through IREX Young Leaders Program (details available at
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they will apply for IMARS admission later. Please note, however, that the
deadline for IREX application process is NOVEMBER 30 so students have to
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IMARS is the International MA in Russian Studies offered by the European
University at St.Petersburg. This year it hosts students from USA, Canada,
Sweden, Germany, Holland, and Estonia.

Some of  the novel features of this MA program include:

�	It is the first full-scale one-year program in political and social
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�	It is targeted to North American and European students who would
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(advanced undergraduates are welcome to apply for the semester-long
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�	All instruction is conducted in English, although those who wish to
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The University uses a grading system that conforms to the European Credit
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e-mail: imars at eu.spb.ru


From Subhash.Jaireth at agso.gov.au  Thu Nov 18 22:05:08 1999
From: Subhash.Jaireth at agso.gov.au (Subhash Jaireth)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:05:08 +1100
Subject: PEN Tree Planting
Message-ID: <FRI.19.NOV.1999.090508.1100.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

                I hope that the following may be of some interest to the
subscribers of the list


                Subhash Jaireth


>This year ACT PEN  dedicating a plaque and a tree to the memory of Larissa
>Yudina (journalist stabbed to death June '98) and Galina Staravoitova
>(politician shot dead November '98)
>>
>Larisa Yudina, 53, was a prominent journalist and political activist. She
>was  editor of the opposition Sovietskaya Kalmykia Segodnya newspaper in
the >southern autonomous republic of Kalmykia, and was also the
co-chairperson
of >the local branch of the pro-reform Yabloko party. She was investigating
>reports of corrupt business practices by regional officials when she
>disappeared on June 7. That day she went to meet a source who promised to
>give her evidence of financial improprieties by local firms involved in an
>effort by Kalmyk President Kirsan Ilyumzhinov to set up an offshore zone in
>the republic. She was found dead on June 8 in the outskirts of the Kalmyk
>capital, Elista, with multiple stab wounds and a fractured skull.
>Yudina was frequently harassed and threatened for her exposés of local
>corruption and hard-line rule by the republic's millionaire president. For
>several years she was forced to publish Sovietskaya Kalmykia Segodnya, the
>only alternative news outlet in the republic, in neighboring Volgograd
after>President Ilyumzhinov ordered local printing presses to stop printing
issues >of the paper. Her troubles with Kalmyk authorities as a journalist
and
local >leader of the liberal opposition Yabloko party were documented by
>international and Russian media, and press freedom groups, but elicited no
>response from Russian leaders. Her death prompted public protests in
Elista, >as people demanded a federal investigation into her murder.
Hundreds of
>residents gathered for Yudina's funeral on June 10.
>
>Galina Starovoitova, 52, a member of the national Parliament, had been one
>of the new Russia's original democrats. She was a steadfast human-rights
>advocate who stood shoulder to shoulder with Andrei Sakharov in the late
>1980s, and with Boris Yeltsin in the early 1990s. She was fighting both an
>increasingly criminalized regime in her home city (St. Petersburg) and the
>antisemitic threats of fellow parliamentarian General Albert Makashov
>(Communist Party). Late on the evening of Nov. 20, 1998 two gunmen waited
>for her on the first-floor landing of her St. Petersburg apartment. They
>killed her as she walked up the steps, seriously wounded her press
secretary >and then casually left their weapons behind. It was the most
brazen
>political assassination yet in the bloody, seven-year history of the new
>Russia.
>>
>TREE PLANTING DETAILS:
>>Date Sunday November 21st
>>Time 11AM
>>Place  Lennox Gardens (behind Hyatt Hotel next to lake, PEN Memorial Walk)
>
>INFORMATION ABOUT CANBERRA CENTRE INTERNATIONAL PEN:
>
>International PEN is a transnational network of writers who share a common
>concern for the craft and art of writing and who are committed to freedom
of >expression through the written word. It is a forum where writers meet
freely >to discuss their work. It is also a voice speaking out for writers
silenced
>in their own countries.
>
>Founded in London in 1921, PEN is the leading voice of literature
worldwide, >bringing together poets, novelists, essayists, historians,
critics,
>translators, editors, journalists and screenwriters. PEN has an
>international presence, with 126 centres operating in 91 countries.
>
>The Writers in Prison Committee of International PEN was set up in 1960 as
a >result of mounting concern about attempts to silence critical voices
through >the detention of writers. It works on behalf of all those who are
detained
>or otherwise persecuted for their written opinions and for writers who are
>under attack for their peaceful political activities or for the practice of
>their profession, provided that they did not use violence or advocate
racial >hatred.
>
>Member centres of International PEN are active in campaigning for an
>improvement in the conditions of persecuted writers and journalists. They
>send letters to the governments concerned and lobby their own governments
to >campaign for the release of detained writers and for investigations in
cases >of torture and killings. Through writing to the families and, where
>possible, directly to prisoners, they provide encouragement and hope.
>
>International PEN has consultative status at the United Nations Commission
>on Human Rights and with UNESCO.
>
>PEN ACT has been active in Canberra, the Australian capital, for over ten
>years, and has been able to take advantage of the proximity of Parliament
>House, Embassies and the national media.


From gadassov at wanadoo.fr  Thu Nov 18 23:33:36 1999
From: gadassov at wanadoo.fr (Adassovsky Georges)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 00:33:36 +0100
Subject: Plato and art censorship (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <199911181955.LAA01666@schilling.ucdavis.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.19.NOV.1999.003336.0100.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Daniel R-L wrote:


>Good question.  The trouble is, censorship has always existed in Russia,
>not just during the Soviet period, but also in the earlier tsarist period.
>Censorship there is not specifically a "Marxist" thing, but a Russian
>thing.

I don't agree. Of course some form of censorship existed in Tsarist Russia,
it was the same sort of censorship that existed in any nation in Europe at
the same time, and it have nothing to compare with the Soviet censorship,
that was worse while all other nations were in progress.
I can give you a lot of writtings that passed the tsarist censorship, and
that would never had passed the Soviet censorship.
By the way... what is the "politically correct" if not a modern form of
censorship?
Georges


From ajw3 at psu.edu  Fri Nov 19 02:27:06 1999
From: ajw3 at psu.edu (Adrian J. Wanner)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:27:06 -0500
Subject: Plato and art censorship (fwd)
Message-ID: <THU.18.NOV.1999.212706.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

For what it's worth, here are the opening and closing statements on Plato
from "Kratkii filosofskii slovar'" (4th ed., Moscow, 1954):

PLATON--drevnegrecheskii filosof-idealist, zleishii vrag materializma,
nauki, protivnik afinskoi demokratii, otstaivavshii v svoikh politicheskikh
i filosofskikh vzgliadakh interesy reaktsionnoi afinskoi aristokratii.
[...]  Uchenie Platona stalo istochnikom mnogikh reaktsionnykh,
antinauchnykh, misticheskikh kontseptsii.  Na platonovskoe uchenie v
nastoiashchee vremia opiraiutsia ideologi imperializma v bor'be protiv
nauki i revoliutsionnogo dvizheniia mass.

Cheers,
Adrian Wanner

P.S. My apologies to the transliteration haters!


From a.jameson at dial.pipex.com  Fri Nov 19 11:25:21 1999
From: a.jameson at dial.pipex.com (Andrew Jameson)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:25:21 -0000
Subject: Fw: BCLA/BCLT Translation Competition 1999-2000
Message-ID: <FRI.19.NOV.1999.112521.0000.>

----------
From: Duncan Large <D.A.G.Large at swansea.ac.uk>
To: german-studies at mailbase.ac.uk
Subject: BCLA/BCLT Translation Competition 1999-2000
Date: 18 November 1999 22:16

--- TRANSLATION COMPETITION ---

BRITISH COMPARATIVE LITERATURE ASSOCIATION
BRITISH CENTRE FOR LITERARY TRANSLATION


The British Comparative Literature Association and the British Centre
for Literary Translation (University of East Anglia) are pleased to
announce their continued joint sponsorship of a Translation
Competition for 1999-2000. Prizes will be awarded for the best
unpublished literary translations from any language into English.
Literary translation includes poetry, prose, or drama, from any
period; entries may be up to 25 pages in length. First prize: stlg350;
Second Prize: stlg200; third prize: stlg100; other entries may receive
commendations.

Winning entries will be published in the annual journal Comparative
Criticism (Cambridge University Press).

Judges will be selected from the following: Peter Bush, translator
and Director of the British Centre for Literary Translation; Peter
France, Editor of The Oxford Guide to Literature in English
Translation; Stuart Gillespie, Editor of Translation & Literature;
Elinor Shaffer, ex officio as Editor of Comparative Criticism; Arthur
Terry, translator and former Director of the MA in Literary
Translation, University of Essex; Daniel Weissbort, translator and
editor of Modern Poetry in Translation.

There will be a five-pound (stlg5) entry fee. Prize-winners will be
announced in July 2000 on the BCLA website, <http://www.bcla.org/>,
and prizes will be presented later in the year.

For details and an entry form, see the BCLA website,
<http://www.bcla.org/>, or contact Mrs Mary Fox, School of Language,
Linguistics and Translation Studies, University of East Anglia,
Norwich NR4 7TJ, England, marking your envelope 'Translation
Competition', or telephone +44 (0)1603 592143, or contact us by
email on <transcomp at uea.ac.uk>.

DEADLINE FOR ENTRIES: 31 JANUARY 2000


From Stanislav.Tchernyshov at lidenz.ru  Fri Nov 19 12:33:35 1999
From: Stanislav.Tchernyshov at lidenz.ru (Stanislav Tchernyshov)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:33:35 +0300
Subject: Plato and art censorship (fwd)
Message-ID: <FRI.19.NOV.1999.153335.0300.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

          Adrian wrote:
        For what it's worth, here are the opening and closing statements
on Plato
        from "Kratkii filosofskii slovar'" (4th ed., Moscow, 1954):

        PLATON--drevnegrecheskii filosof-idealist, zleishii vrag
materializma,
        nauki, protivnik afinskoi demokratii, otstaivavshii v svoikh
politicheskikh
        i filosofskikh vzgliadakh interesy reaktsionnoi afinskoi
aristokratii.
        [...]  Uchenie Platona stalo istochnikom mnogikh reaktsionnykh,
        antinauchnykh, misticheskikh kontseptsii.  Na platonovskoe
uchenie v
        nastoiashchee vremia opiraiutsia ideologi imperializma v bor'be
protiv
        nauki i revoliutsionnogo dvizheniia mass.

        Ya i govoru: these two models are
different in the sense of their view of the human nature. *slightly*
different. That's it.

Stanislav Tchernyshov
Academic Supervisor

===============================================
Liden & Denz St.Petersburg (Russia)

Language Centre St.Petersburg
PO Box 8, FIN 53501 Lappeenranta, Suomi-Finland
Phone: +7-812-325 22 41; Fax: +7-812-325 12 84
Stanislav.Tchernyshov at Lidenz.Ru, http://www.lidenz.ru
===================================


From kenneth.udut at spcorp.com  Fri Nov 19 13:41:34 1999
From: kenneth.udut at spcorp.com (Udut, Kenneth)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:41:34 -0500
Subject: Plato and art censorship (fwd)
Message-ID: <FRI.19.NOV.1999.084134.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Censorship a "Russian" thing?

[warning - Rant below - please delete as
I'm certainly way out of line here]

Oy, kak zhal!


Great Britain and United States, for two, are
absolute lovers of censorship, moreso, I would say,
than Tsarist Russia!

Which is the culture that tried to 'clean up' Shakespeare
and take out all of the 'naughty bits' back in the late 19th
century?

Which culture had woman writers having to pretend to be
men in order to be published?

Which culture had witch trials?

Which culture claims freedom of speech
but only puts it into practice for approved
types of speech?

Pot calling the kettle black, I think.  Communist
Russia far far worse than Tsarist Russia ever was,
especially with censorship!

Historians as well as TV news reporters alike, seem to get
a perverse pleasure from pointing out the awful things in
a culture not their own.

The fly will see only the manure and not the flowers, but the bee will
see flowers, and not the manure the flowers are growing out of.

[for example, repeated TV reports about "Russian mafia",
as if they ran the whole show, and everything is corrupt.
This would be akin to making the *whole* United States seem
like it was run by the Chinese Mafia, just because the Chinese
Mafia do the exact same thing in the various Chinatowns,
that Russian mafia does in certain Russian cities.

But the United States is not controlled by a mafia,
and Russia is not controlled by a mafia.

Still, this is the impression one gets from the United
States, anyhow.  If you can't kill your enemy, speak badly
about him to others, and you will give him a slower,
more painful death.

Apologies for the rant above.  I have a certain love
for at least Tsarist Russia, and get tired of the same
communist rewrites of history being repeated.


--
-- Kenneth.Udut at SPCORP.COM
--


From Stanislav.Tchernyshov at lidenz.ru  Fri Nov 19 13:47:57 1999
From: Stanislav.Tchernyshov at lidenz.ru (Stanislav Tchernyshov)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:47:57 +0300
Subject: Plato and art censorship (fwd)
Message-ID: <FRI.19.NOV.1999.164757.0300.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

        Daniel R-L:

        The trouble is, censorship has always existed in Russia,
        not just during the Soviet period, but also in the earlier
tsarist period.
        Censorship there is not specifically a "Marxist" thing, but a
Russian
thing.

I'm sorry, but I disagree.
If you start judging by the name, censorchip (cenzura) doesn't seem to
be a "Russian thing", and indeed, it isn't. If you just look at the
history of Catholic and Protestant Western countries, European (and
Asian or Latin American) dictatorships of this century, and the notion
of "political correctness" nowadays, you easily find out that either
this almost omnipresent censorship does not deserve this "made in
Russia" label, or that the Russian influence in the world history is
surprisingly overwhelming, and all the others just couldn't resist it.

Stanislav Tchernyshov
Academic Supervisor

===============================================
Liden & Denz St.Petersburg (Russia)

Language Centre St.Petersburg
PO Box 8, FIN 53501 Lappeenranta, Suomi-Finland
Phone: +7-812-325 22 41; Fax: +7-812-325 12 84
Stanislav.Tchernyshov at Lidenz.Ru, http://www.lidenz.ru
===================================


From amelie at ucr.campuscw.net  Fri Nov 19 16:30:10 1999
From: amelie at ucr.campuscw.net (Jules Levin)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:30:10 EST
Subject: Plato and art censorship (fwd)
Message-ID: <FRI.19.NOV.1999.113010.EST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

  Adassovsky Georges wrote:

>I don't agree. Of course some form of censorship existed in Tsarist Russia,
>it was the same sort of censorship that existed in any nation in Europe at
>the same time, and it have nothing to compare with the Soviet censorship,
>that was worse while all other nations were in progress.
>I can give you a lot of writtings that passed the tsarist censorship, and
>that would never had passed the Soviet censorship.

Exactly!  The tsarist censor passed Das Kapital, and maybe Darwin, for all I
know.  And didn't the Police Commissioner of New York--Teddy Roosevelt--try
to censor The Kreutzer Sonata when it arrived (from England?).

Jules F. Levin
Professor of Linguistics and Russian
University of California, Riverside
JFLEVIN at UCRAC1.UCR.EDU


From e.elliott at utoronto.ca  Fri Nov 19 16:54:11 1999
From: e.elliott at utoronto.ca (Elisabeth Elliott)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:54:11 -0700
Subject: NIS COMMUNITY COLLEGE PARTNERSHIPS PROGRAM FUNDING
Message-ID: <FRI.19.NOV.1999.095411.0700.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELangers,

Here's a program that might be of interest.  More information can be found
at the URL address that appears at the end of the description.

Elisabeth Elliott
_________________________
Ph.D. Candidate
Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures
University of Toronto


--------------------------------------------------------------

TITLE: NIS COMMUNITY COLLEGE PARTNERSHIPS PROGRAM - DOS

>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> DEPARTMENT OF STATE
> [Public Notice 3160]
>
> SUMMARY: The Office of Global Educational Programs of the United States
> Department of State's Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs
> announces an open competition for an assistance award program.
> Accredited community colleges offering the two-year Associate's degree
> and meeting the provisions described in IRS regulation 26 CFR 1.501 may
> apply to pursue institutional or departmental objectives in
> international partnerships with counterpart institutions from Russia or
> Ukraine for the purpose of supporting, through teaching, scholarship,
> and professional outreach from the partner institutions, the transition
> of the New Independent States to democratic systems based on market
> economies, as well as the purpose of strengthening mutual understanding
> and cooperation between the United States and the New Independent
> States. Eligible fields are education, continuing education or
> educational administration; the social, political or economic sciences;
> business/accounting/trade; or journalism/communications. Within these
> fields, themes of special interest may be described in additional
> detail in the section on ``Country Eligibility.'' Community colleges
> interested in working with partner institutions in the NIS outside of
> Russia and Ukraine are eligible to apply through the NIS College and
> University Partnerships Program, described separately in this
> announcement.
>     The NIS Community College Partnerships Program is designed to

URL : http://www.usalert.com/htdoc/usoa/dos/any/any/proc/any/fr11179903.htm


From aisrael at american.edu  Fri Nov 19 17:23:38 1999
From: aisrael at american.edu (Alina Israeli)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:23:38 -0500
Subject: Plato and art censorship (fwd)
Message-ID: <FRI.19.NOV.1999.122338.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Jules F. Levin wrote:

>Exactly!  The tsarist censor passed Das Kapital, and maybe Darwin, for all
>I know.

But did not pass "Gore ot uma" till some 30 years after the death of the
author. Did Shakespeare suffer the same fate when he depicted the kings in
less than flattering terms?

>And didn't the Police Commissioner of New York--Teddy Roosevelt--try
>to censor The Kreutzer Sonata when it arrived (from England?).

And did he succeed?

**************************************************************
Alina Israeli
LFS, American University                phone:  (202) 885-2387
4400 Mass. Ave., NW                     fax:    (202) 885-1076
Washington, DC 20016

aisrael at american.edu


From myadroff at indiana.edu  Fri Nov 19 19:33:23 1999
From: myadroff at indiana.edu (Michael Yadroff)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 13:33:23 -0600
Subject: CFP: Pronouns
Message-ID: <FRI.19.NOV.1999.133323.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

C A L L   F O R   P A P E R S

WORKSHOP ON
THEORETICAL PROBLEMS OF PRONOUNS

A workshop on pronouns is being organized in the framework of
ESSE5-2000, the 5th conference of the European Society for the Study
of English, to be held between 25-29 August, 2000 at Helsinki
University.

One page anonymous abstracts
are invited for 30-minute presentations on the following (and related) topics:
- Syntactic and semantic problems of derivation of pronouns
- Pronominal clitics
- PRO and its controller
- (Small) pro and Pro-drop languages.

Submission of abstracts

The preferred method is by E-mail. Abstracts should be addressed to:

        Tomic at rullet.leidenuniv.nl
and/or  Milena.Sheppard at uni-lj.sl

At the top of the abstract please include the name(s), affiliation
and adress of the author(s). Please leave several blank lines between
this information and the abstract proper (title and text), to
facilitate anonymous review.

The dispreferred method is by regular mail. Send 5 copies of the
abstract, accompanied by a card stating the name(s) of the author(s),
postal and e-mail addresses and the title of the paper to one of the
following addresses:

Olga Miseska Tomic, HIL, Department of Linguistics, Faculty of
Letters, University of Leiden, Postbus 9515, 2300 RA Leiden, The
Netherlands

Milena Milojevic Sheppard, Department of English and American
Studies, Faculty of Arts,   Askerceva 2, 1000 Ljubljana, Slovenia

Submission deadline: March 1,2000
Acceptance notification: April 15,2000

Persons interested in attending the workshop are invited to register
their e-mail and mailing addresses with:
        Tomic at rullet.leidenuniv.nl
and/or  Milena.Sheppard at uni-lj.sl
Web pages for ESSE5-2000 are located at: http://www.eng.helsinki.fi/

!!!PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD!!!
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From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Fri Nov 19 20:05:13 1999
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:05:13 -0500
Subject: famous multilinguals (fwd)
Message-ID: <FRI.19.NOV.1999.150513.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

The list has started and is growing.  It needs some attention in the
Spanish/English category, and in the LCTL's (Russian, Japanese, etc.).
Please help fill in the gaps.  Again, I will post this to the web soon
(actually I think I have a student who will do the page as a project).
When it's ready I'll let you all know.

Devin

Devin P Browne
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu

---------- Forwarded message ----------


* French & English

Madeliene Albright, Secretary of State
Rosanna Arquette, actress
Candace Bergen, actress
Christie Brinkley, super model
Mel Brooks, actor
Jim Courier, tennis player
Claire Danes, actress
Celine Dion, singer
Queen Elizabeth II, Queen of England
Jody Foster, actress and director
Mick Jagger, singer
Ashley Judd, actress
Kevin Kline, actor
April March, singer
Molly Ringwald, actress
Hally Robinson


* Spanish & English

Madonna, singer
Selena, singer


* English & Italian

Kobe Bryant, basketball player, LA Lakers


* German & English:

Sandra Bullock, actress
Bill Clinton, President of the U.S.A.
Chelsea Clinton, First Daughter


* Russian & English:

Hedrick Smith
Garrick Utley


* Czech & English

Jamr Yager, hockey player, Pittsburgh Penguins


From dedowney at narrowgate.net  Fri Nov 19 21:26:19 1999
From: dedowney at narrowgate.net (dan e. downey)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:26:19 -0600
Subject: famous multilinguals (fwd)
Message-ID: <FRI.19.NOV.1999.152619.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I'd like to hear BC speak german!
----------
>From: Devin P Browne <dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu>
>To: SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
>Subject: famous multilinguals (fwd)
>Date: Fri, Nov 19, 1999, 2:05 PM
>

>The list has started and is growing.  It needs some attention in the
>Spanish/English category, and in the LCTL's (Russian, Japanese, etc.).
>Please help fill in the gaps.  Again, I will post this to the web soon
>(actually I think I have a student who will do the page as a project).
>When it's ready I'll let you all know.
>
>Devin
>
>Devin P Browne
>dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>
>
>* French & English
>
>Madeliene Albright, Secretary of State
>Rosanna Arquette, actress
>Candace Bergen, actress
>Christie Brinkley, super model
>Mel Brooks, actor
>Jim Courier, tennis player
>Claire Danes, actress
>Celine Dion, singer
>Queen Elizabeth II, Queen of England
>Jody Foster, actress and director
>Mick Jagger, singer
>Ashley Judd, actress
>Kevin Kline, actor
>April March, singer
>Molly Ringwald, actress
>Hally Robinson
>
>
>* Spanish & English
>
>Madonna, singer
>Selena, singer
>
>
>* English & Italian
>
>Kobe Bryant, basketball player, LA Lakers
>
>
>* German & English:
>
>Sandra Bullock, actress
>Bill Clinton, President of the U.S.A.
>Chelsea Clinton, First Daughter
>
>
>* Russian & English:
>
>Hedrick Smith
>Garrick Utley
>
>
>* Czech & English
>
>Jamr Yager, hockey player, Pittsburgh Penguins
>


From Mogens.Jensen at skolekom.dk  Fri Nov 19 21:47:37 1999
From: Mogens.Jensen at skolekom.dk (Mogens Jensen)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 22:47:37 +0100
Subject: famous multilinguals (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.3.96L.991119150301.9734A-100000@unixs2.cis.pitt.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.19.NOV.1999.224737.0100.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

may I suggest:

english & danish
Victor Borge performer

Mogens Jensen


From tom.priestly at ualberta.ca  Fri Nov 19 22:02:53 1999
From: tom.priestly at ualberta.ca (Tom Priestly)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:02:53 -0600
Subject: famous multilinguals (fwd)
Message-ID: <FRI.19.NOV.1999.160253.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

It is JAROmir Jagr.
And once you have one hockey player, where will you draw the line? There
must be dozens of Europeans in the National Hockey League. E.g., the
Russian who is I think tied with Jagr for the most goals to date. Probably
better to leave them off the list . . .
Tom Priestly
+++++++++++++++
>The list has started and is growing.  It needs some attention in the
>Spanish/English category, and in the LCTL's (Russian, Japanese, etc.).
>Please help fill in the gaps.  Again, I will post this to the web soon
>(actually I think I have a student who will do the page as a project).
>When it's ready I'll let you all know.
>
>Devin
>
>Devin P Browne
>dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>
>
>* French & English
>
>Madeliene Albright, Secretary of State
>Rosanna Arquette, actress
>Candace Bergen, actress
>Christie Brinkley, super model
>Mel Brooks, actor
>Jim Courier, tennis player
>Claire Danes, actress
>Celine Dion, singer
>Queen Elizabeth II, Queen of England
>Jody Foster, actress and director
>Mick Jagger, singer
>Ashley Judd, actress
>Kevin Kline, actor
>April March, singer
>Molly Ringwald, actress
>Hally Robinson
>
>
>* Spanish & English
>
>Madonna, singer
>Selena, singer
>
>
>* English & Italian
>
>Kobe Bryant, basketball player, LA Lakers
>
>
>* German & English:
>
>Sandra Bullock, actress
>Bill Clinton, President of the U.S.A.
>Chelsea Clinton, First Daughter
>
>
>* Russian & English:
>
>Hedrick Smith
>Garrick Utley
>
>
>* Czech & English
>
>Jamr Yager, hockey player, Pittsburgh Penguins

Tom Priestly
Department of Modern Languages and Cultural Studies
Division of Slavic and East European Studies
200 Arts Building, University of Alberta
Edmonton, Alberta T6G 2E6
phone (780) 492-5688
fax (780) 492-9106
e-mail: tom.priestly at ualberta.ca


From k.r.hauge at east.uio.no  Sat Nov 20 00:13:49 1999
From: k.r.hauge at east.uio.no (Kjetil Ra Hauge)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:13:49 EST
Subject: famous multilinguals (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.3.96L.991119150301.9734A-100000@unixs2.cis.pitt.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.19.NOV.1999.191349.EST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>* French & English
>* Spanish & English
>* English & Italian
>* German & English:
>* Russian & English:
>* Czech & English

Seems more bi- than multi- to me.

-- Kjetil Rå Hauge, U. of Oslo. Phone +47/22856710, fax +47/22854140
-- (this msg sent from home, ph. +47/67148424, fax +1/5084372444 [eFax, U.S.])


From aisrael at american.edu  Sat Nov 20 01:09:46 1999
From: aisrael at american.edu (Alina Israeli)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 20:09:46 -0500
Subject: famous multilinguals (fwd)
Message-ID: <FRI.19.NOV.1999.200946.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>Seems more bi- than multi- to me.

The Grimaldi family is very multi-.

**************************************************************
Alina Israeli
LFS, American University                phone:  (202) 885-2387
4400 Mass. Ave., NW                     fax:    (202) 885-1076
Washington, DC 20016

aisrael at american.edu


From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Sat Nov 20 13:33:48 1999
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 08:33:48 -0500
Subject: Jagr
Message-ID: <SAT.20.NOV.1999.083348.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

The reason I'm including Jagr is because the list will primarily be used
in the 2 Pittsburgh schools in which I'm teaching.  You've got a point,
tho, about the many, many bilingual hockey players out there.

Devin

Devin P Browne
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu


From askeown at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 20 16:18:02 1999
From: askeown at yahoo.com (Anne Keown)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 08:18:02 -0800
Subject: famous multilinguals (fwd)
Message-ID: <SAT.20.NOV.1999.081802.0800.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

 Montel Williams, the talk show host, claims to speak
Russian.  He learned it in the military- the Navy, I
think.

-A. Keown

--- Devin P Browne <dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu> wrote:
> The list has started and is growing.  It needs some
> attention in the
> Spanish/English category, and in the LCTL's
> (Russian, Japanese, etc.).
> Please help fill in the gaps.  Again, I will post
> this to the web soon
> (actually I think I have a student who will do the
> page as a project).
> When it's ready I'll let you all know.
>
> Devin
>
> Devin P Browne
> dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>
>
> * French & English
>
> Madeliene Albright, Secretary of State
> Rosanna Arquette, actress
> Candace Bergen, actress
> Christie Brinkley, super model
> Mel Brooks, actor
> Jim Courier, tennis player
> Claire Danes, actress
> Celine Dion, singer
> Queen Elizabeth II, Queen of England
> Jody Foster, actress and director
> Mick Jagger, singer
> Ashley Judd, actress
> Kevin Kline, actor
> April March, singer
> Molly Ringwald, actress
> Hally Robinson
>
>
> * Spanish & English
>
> Madonna, singer
> Selena, singer
>
>
> * English & Italian
>
> Kobe Bryant, basketball player, LA Lakers
>
>
> * German & English:
>
> Sandra Bullock, actress
> Bill Clinton, President of the U.S.A.
> Chelsea Clinton, First Daughter
>
>
> * Russian & English:
>
> Hedrick Smith
> Garrick Utley
>
>
> * Czech & English
>
> Jamr Yager, hockey player, Pittsburgh Penguins
>

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From a.jameson at dial.pipex.com  Sun Nov 21 16:35:46 1999
From: a.jameson at dial.pipex.com (Andrew Jameson)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 16:35:46 -0000
Subject: Fw: STOLEN BOOK MESSAGE
Message-ID: <SUN.21.NOV.1999.163546.0000.>

----------
From: Thornton's Staff <Thorntons at booknews.demon.co.uk>
To:
Subject: Re: STOLEN BOOK MESSAGE
Date: 20 November 1999 09:59


In message <000c01bf310c$4eb1b1a0$0264a8c0 at UK/solpy89>, ABA
Administrative Office <admin at aba.org.uk> writes
>
>STOLEN BOOK MESSAGE FROM THE ANTIQUARIAN BOOKSELLERS&rsquo;
>ASSOCIATION
>
>
>
>    SACKVILLE HOUSE
>
>    40 PICCADILLY
>
>    LONDON W1V 9PA
>
>    (Tel: 0171 439 3118)
>
>    (Fax 0171 439 3119)
>
>    (admin at aba.org.uk)
>
>
>
>17th November 1999
>
>    Message from William Patrick Watson Antiquarian Books
>
>    ABA dealers are advised to be extremely cautious if dealing with
>    one Oleg Chebotarev who purports to offer books from Russia. He has
>    been contacting dealers here and in the U.S., from an email address
>    of "russianbooks.mail.ru", offering Russian and other books. The
>    books are plausible and the sums not large, but he requires
>    pro-forma payment, or partial payment, with various excuses, with
>    payment made to the Savings Bank of the Russian Federation via The
>    Banker's Trust, New York. The books don't arrive, with
>    various excuses about being held up in customs. He may be
>    synonymous with, or affiliated with, David Holt.
>
>    Caveat emptor.

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From yamato at yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp  Mon Nov 22 00:16:27 1999
From: yamato at yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp (Yoshimasa Tsuji)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:16:27 +0900
Subject: Fw: STOLEN BOOK MESSAGE
In-Reply-To: <SEELANGS%1999112114382827@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> (message from Andrew
 Jameson on Sun, 21 Nov 1999 16:35:46 -0000)
Message-ID: <MON.22.NOV.1999.091627.0900.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Hello Andrew,
The forwarded message contains nothing peculiar. We need to be extremely
cautious, that's all.

Here are some points I would like to make:
1. All exports from Russia now requires payment in cash in advance.
  Otherwise one cannot export anything commercially. That is the law.
2. Books do not always arrive if sent by surface post. FedEx, DHL,
  ExpressMail are much safer. Airmail post is often reliable if
  properly registered. Trans-Siberian railway is so unreliable
  (seven wagons out of thirteen vanished during the journey
  recently) that most cargos travel via Suez instead.
3. Reference books, dictionaries, books with illustrations, etc.
  are now freely exportable, but there are officers who are not aware
  of the new rules (at customs and at post offices) and refuse to accept
  them without an export permit.
3a. There is a confusion as to whether books are freely exportable after
  1945 inclusive or after 1949. I have seen notices saying a 50-year
  rule, but post office people seem to act upon the previous
  after-the-war rules.
4. Books of the 20th century can be exported if accompanied by an export
  permit, but officers at the Ministry of Culture(MK) are often reluctant
  to issue permits to tradesmen.
4a. One must show the book to the officer in the MK to obtain the
  permit, which means one may not afford to buy a book and get a
  refusal. Small book exporters are so poor that they collect orders
  from abroad, receive money in advance, buy books from shops, and
  send by post. What if something went wrong?
5. Books of the 19th century or earlier are not exportable.
  The only method available is the inter-library book exchange.

  It is no wonder that Russian goods are much more expensive outside
Russia than in Russia due to the risks of all kinds.

Cheers,
Tsuji

-------
P.S.
40 kg of very rare books I sent from Petersburg this summer have been
lost. They included Chekhov's five volume Letters and Marks' edition of
Shchedrin. Let me hope that they will turn up in the second hand book
shops again.


From darancourlaferriere at ucdavis.edu  Mon Nov 22 00:27:13 1999
From: darancourlaferriere at ucdavis.edu (Daniel Rancour-Laferriere)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 16:27:13 -0800
Subject: Plato and art censorship (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19991117095031.008bb41c@mail.ucr.edu>
Message-ID: <SUN.21.NOV.1999.162713.0800.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

21 Nov 99

My, aren't we all touchy about censorship!

And a good thing, too.  All civilized people should be concerned about that
ever-present danger in the public media.  No doubt some censorship still
exists to this day in Russia (Thobe).  But can today's level of censorship
be compared to the level which existed up until the late 1980s?  Today in
Russia you can read most of what Pasternak and Solzhenitsyn wrote, for
example.  But back then you could only read bits and pieces (excluding
samizdat of course).

The "Russian thing."  Here I said censorship was a "Russian thing."  What I
should have said was that censorship was a "Russian thing" AND a "Marxist
thing."  One does not exclude the other.  I had a similar problem back when
I published _The Slave Soul of Russia_ (NYU Press, 1995).  People got the
idea that, just because moral masochism is common in Russia, it is not
elsewhere.  Not so.

Perhaps censorship has been more common in Russia than, say, in the US.  In
this respect it may be more of a "Russian thing" than an "American thing."
But we do have plenty of examples of censorship in America - e.g., "banned
in Boston."  Prof Levin correctly notes that Tolstoy's _Kreutzer Sonata_
had some difficulties in the US.  But of course it had problems in Russia
too.  It could not be published at all in 1889, when it was finished, so it
was circulated illegally in lithographed and other forms.  Not until Sofiia
Andreevna had a talk with the tsar and agreed to tone down some passages
was it allowed to be published in Russia.  One of the things that  this
devoted wife got rid of, by the way, was her husband's offensive statement
that wives are just like prostitutes, since they accept money for the
sexual services they perform (see my _Tolstoy on the Couch_, Macmillan-NYU
Press, 1998 for more juicy, uncensored details).  And by the way, if there
is not a strong tendency toward censorship in Russia, then why is it that
the autobiography of the most important woman in Tolstoy's life has yet to
be published there?

Collegial greetings,

Daniel Rancour-Laferriere


At 11:30 AM 11/19/99 -0500, you wrote:
>  Adassovsky Georges wrote:
>
>>I don't agree. Of course some form of censorship existed in Tsarist Russia,
>>it was the same sort of censorship that existed in any nation in Europe at
>>the same time, and it have nothing to compare with the Soviet censorship,
>>that was worse while all other nations were in progress.
>>I can give you a lot of writtings that passed the tsarist censorship, and
>>that would never had passed the Soviet censorship.
>
>Exactly!  The tsarist censor passed Das Kapital, and maybe Darwin, for all I
>know.  And didn't the Police Commissioner of New York--Teddy Roosevelt--try
>to censor The Kreutzer Sonata when it arrived (from England?).
>
>Jules F. Levin
>Professor of Linguistics and Russian
>University of California, Riverside
>JFLEVIN at UCRAC1.UCR.EDU
>


From OgdenJ at garnet.cla.sc.edu  Mon Nov 22 15:45:03 1999
From: OgdenJ at garnet.cla.sc.edu (Alexander Ogden)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 10:45:03 -0500
Subject: songs about Siberia
Message-ID: <MON.22.NOV.1999.104503.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear colleagues,

I'm looking for folk or popular songs dealing with Siberia (for a course
entitled "Siberia in the Russian Imagination").  A few examples so far:

"Po dikim stepiam Zabaikal'ia..."
"Slavnoe more--sviashchennyi Baikal"
"Gukhoi, nevedomoi taigoiu..."

Any additions you can suggest would be much appreciated.  Sources for words
and music would also be terrific.
Many thanks,
Alex Ogden


     ***PLEASE SEND MAIL TO MY E-MAIL ALIAS, OGDEN at SC.EDU***

--------------------------------
Dr. J. Alexander Ogden
Visiting Assistant Professor of Russian and Comparative Literature
Department of Germanic, Slavic & East Asian
         Languages and Literatures
University of South Carolina
Columbia, SC 29208
(803) 777-9573
ogden at sc.edu


From ewb2 at cornell.edu  Mon Nov 22 16:30:16 1999
From: ewb2 at cornell.edu (Wayles Browne)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 11:30:16 -0500
Subject: songs about Siberia
Message-ID: <MON.22.NOV.1999.113016.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

There are a lot of songs about people being exiled
to Siberia, some of them actually rather cheerful.
Maybe someone knows the missing words in these:

Chupchik, chupchik, chupchik kucherjavyj,
Razve mozhno chupchik ne ljubit'?
...
Nu chtozh, Sibir', Sibiri ne bojusja,
Sibir' ved' tozhe russkaja zemlja...

[from a recording by Theodore Bikel]

Pomnju, pomnju, pomnju ja
kak menja mat' ljubila,
i ne raz, i ne dva
ona mne tak govorila:
Ne xodi v tot konec,
ne vodis' s vorami;
V Sibir' katorgoj soshljut,
Skujut kandalami.
Sbrejut dlinnyj volos tvoj
Vplot' do samoj shei,
...
Po matushke po Rasei [sic].


>
>Dear colleagues,
>
>I'm looking for folk or popular songs dealing with Siberia (for a course
>entitled "Siberia in the Russian Imagination").  A few examples so far:
>
>"Po dikim stepiam Zabaikal'ia..."
>"Slavnoe more--sviashchennyi Baikal"
>"Gukhoi, nevedomoi taigoiu..."
>
>Any additions you can suggest would be much appreciated.  Sources for words
>and music would also be terrific.
>Many thanks,
>Alex Ogden
>
>
>     ***PLEASE SEND MAIL TO MY E-MAIL ALIAS, OGDEN at SC.EDU***
>
>--------------------------------
>Dr. J. Alexander Ogden
>Visiting Assistant Professor of Russian and Comparative Literature
>Department of Germanic, Slavic & East Asian
>         Languages and Literatures
>University of South Carolina
>Columbia, SC 29208
>(803) 777-9573
>ogden at sc.edu
>

Wayles Browne, Assoc. Prof. of Linguistics
Department of Linguistics
Morrill Hall 321, Cornell University
Ithaca, New York 14853, U.S.A.

tel. 607-255-0712 (o), 607-273-3009 (h)
fax 607-255-2044 (write FOR W. BROWNE)
e-mail ewb2 at cornell.edu


From billingl at spot.colorado.edu  Mon Nov 22 17:25:38 1999
From: billingl at spot.colorado.edu (Loren Billings)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 10:25:38 -0700
Subject: famous BIlinguals (Montel Williams, hockey)
Message-ID: <MON.22.NOV.1999.102538.0700.>

Anne Keown wrote:

>  Montel Williams, the talk show host, claims to speak
> Russian.  He learned it in the military- the Navy, I
> think.
>
> -A. Keown

Yes, an instructor at the Defense Language Institute, Jack Franke (who
also posts to this list from time to time), mentioned to me that Montel
Williams attended DLI around 1983-84 as a sailor.

Speaking of famous athletes, I think hockey is unusually multilingual
because there is another language that's so dominant in that sport.
Mike Eruzione (sp?), captain of the US olympic team that won the gold
way back when, claims to understand Russian, and I believe he mentioned
(as a commentator during the recent winter olympics) that Jagr and other
Czech hockey players know Russian as well.  I think that Hockey is a
good tool to use for playing up multilingual celebrities.

--
Loren A. Billings, Ph.D.
<loren.billings at colorado.edu>

Linguistics Department
University of Colorado
Boulder, CO 80309-0295 U.S.A.

Office phone: +1.303.492.7082
Office fax:      303.492.4416
Home phone:      303.546.6447

Home: 2610 Fremont Street
Boulder, CO 80304 U.S.A.


From jschill at american.edu  Mon Nov 22 21:31:21 1999
From: jschill at american.edu (John Schillinger)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 16:31:21 -0500
Subject: Fw: Nachalo text (fwd)
Message-ID: <MON.22.NOV.1999.163121.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Hi, Eileen!

We use Nachalo, and cover lessons 1-7 in the first semester, then do
lesson 8, book 1, in the spring, followed by lessons 1-6 book 2 and a
summary of the grammar in 7 & 8 to finish the semester.  So we couldn't
finish the entire book in one year without fudging.  I understand that
the revised edition which is supposed to come out will reduce the number
of lessons to 14, which is the normal # of weeks in a semester.


We play the video for the last two lessons so they see how THAT comes
out, too.

    Best wishes,

John

PS Hope you received the most recent CCPCR call for numbers and have
visited our website at www.american.edu/research/CCPCR


From ZitaD at aol.com  Tue Nov 23 03:02:34 1999
From: ZitaD at aol.com (Zita Dabars)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 22:02:34 EST
Subject: ISO roommates at AATSEEL
Message-ID: <MON.22.NOV.1999.220234.EST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Pls reply to Steve Frank at :

sjfrank at clark.net

Hello Colleagues!

    I am in search of two male non-smoking roommates for the AATSEEL Meeting
in Chicago. I have a triple reserved under my name. I will arrive on Monday,
Dec. 27 and depart on Thu. the 30th (3 nights). If you are interested in
rooming with me pls send a private e-mail to:

    sjfrank at clark.net

    Thanks.

    Steve Frank
    Basil Products
    Baltimore, MD


From daf at meirionnydd.force9.co.uk  Tue Nov 23 13:55:30 1999
From: daf at meirionnydd.force9.co.uk (Daf)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 13:55:30 -0000
Subject: songs about Siberia
Message-ID: <TUE.23.NOV.1999.135530.0000.>

> I'm looking for folk or popular songs dealing with Siberia (for a course
> entitled "Siberia in the Russian Imagination").  A few examples so far:

How about poems? Stantsia Zima by Yevtushenko comes to mind.
Daf
[web page- http://www.meirionnydd.force9.co.uk ]


From CSperrle at cs.com  Tue Nov 23 17:30:30 1999
From: CSperrle at cs.com (I. Christina Sperrle)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:30:30 EST
Subject: Georgian films
Message-ID: <TUE.23.NOV.1999.123030.EST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

<"Ne goryuy," - a mediaeval Georgian legend, a comedy again. One of
<the best.

Interesting, I didn't know that in Georgia the medieval period lasted into
the 20th century. It is one of the best comedies, though.


From gadassov at wanadoo.fr  Tue Nov 23 18:18:18 1999
From: gadassov at wanadoo.fr (Adassovsky Georges)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:18:18 +0100
Subject: Plato and art censorship (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <199911181955.LAA01666@schilling.ucdavis.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.23.NOV.1999.191818.0100.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

About censorship, since some opinions have been expressed, on the list and
privately, I am asking myself some questions.
What is better, for an author, to be censored prior to publishing, or to be
prosecuted after?
For example, right now, it is illegal in France to publish antisemitic
ideas, and some authors have been condemned.
So a judge is facing a text, and he must tell if this text is antisemitic
or not. It is exactly the same work as a censor.
When Radishchev published his "voyage..", there was no censorship in Russia
(1790). he was condemned to 10 years of bannishment in Siberia. Maybe he
would have prefered to have been censored?
After that Ekaterina installed censorship, may be she thought it was a
progress?
One may believe that, if there is freedom of speech, nobody can be
condemned for what he says, no matter what he says, and if there is no
freedom of speech, better to be censored a priori than condemned a
posteriori.
Is it possible to publish segregationist ideas to day in the U.S.A?
Well, I know there is a consensus about prohibitting segregationism and
antisemitism.
But, may be, at the beginning of the XIXth century, after the French
revolution,two hundreds years ago, there was a consensus in Russia about
prohibitting the publishing of antigovernment, antireligious, and immoral
ideas?

Georges.


From kenneth.udut at spcorp.com  Tue Nov 23 18:08:13 1999
From: kenneth.udut at spcorp.com (Udut, Kenneth)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 13:08:13 -0500
Subject: Plato and art censorship (fwd)
Message-ID: <TUE.23.NOV.1999.130813.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Georges,

This is an interesting line of thought.

In the United States, there are certain
topics that, Yes, you are free to publish,
but, Yes, you may be imprisoned for.
[perhaps not directly, but if you are
writing, for example, on the side of
child molesters, you are free to publish
this, but you will also most likely
find yourself in prison - for on some
topics, an accusation of guilt is
as good as being guilty, and being
associated with certain groups, or
ideologies, such as anti Jewish
sentiments, will leave you at the
very least a 'marked man' and at the
worst, imprisoned for "hate crime".

[which is something I have never
understood - when you hate someone
or something, you would have to
consider the someone or something
as on an equal level or more
powerful than you, no?  But most
of these 'hate crimes' come from
one who considers their victims as
'less than human"...  But perhaps
my thinking is wrong here.]

"Freedom of speech" often means
"Freedom to hang yourself by your
own noose".  Let the 'wrong' ideas
slip forth from your pen, and you,
too, can find yourself in prison.

Censorship may well be a better thing,
and a more progressive thing.

At least then, the lines are clearly drawn,
and the punishments to be meted out are
understood.

Otherwise, a culture will live
under the assumption that, "All
is permissible", when in reality,
only things within certain
boundaries are permissible.

[which is okay, to draw lines -
but they should at least be clear,
and understood.  Otherwise, the laws
are "at the whim of the king", or
judge, or police, or whoever.]

But this is speculation on my part.
It's easy to understand the evil
in one's backyard, but the greener
grass in the neighbor's backyard
that seems so much better, may
well be far worse...


--
-- Kenneth.Udut at SPCORP.COM
--


|-----Original Message-----
|From: Adassovsky Georges [mailto:gadassov at wanadoo.fr]
|Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 1:18 PM
|To: SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
|Subject: Re: Plato and art censorship (fwd)
|
|
|About censorship, since some opinions have been expressed, on
|the list and
|privately, I am asking myself some questions.
|What is better, for an author, to be censored prior to
|publishing, or to be
|prosecuted after?
|For example, right now, it is illegal in France to publish antisemitic
|ideas, and some authors have been condemned.
|So a judge is facing a text, and he must tell if this text is
|antisemitic
|or not. It is exactly the same work as a censor.
|When Radishchev published his "voyage..", there was no
|censorship in Russia
|(1790). he was condemned to 10 years of bannishment in
|Siberia. Maybe he
|would have prefered to have been censored?
|After that Ekaterina installed censorship, may be she thought it was a
|progress?


From thurmchcs at juno.com  Tue Nov 23 22:35:39 1999
From: thurmchcs at juno.com (Eileen C. Thurman)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:35:39 -0600
Subject: Results of Nachalo survey
Message-ID: <TUE.23.NOV.1999.163539.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

        On Thurs Nov 11, I asked of any teachers using the Nachalo text, "How
much do you cover in one high school year or one college semester?  What
do you and your students believe is a reasonable pace?  In order to cover
the material, do you skip activities or sections, and if so, what?"
        In response, from least amount covered to most, I was told:

Syracuse U.  4 chapters each semester
Auburn U.      3 chapters 1st quarter, 3 chapters 2nd quarter, 2 chapters
3rd quarter
U of Illinois    5 chapters each semester
U of Georgia      6 chapters each semester, but considering only 5 in 2nd
semester
Sarah Lawrence    6 chapters each semester
American U             7 chapters each semester
Fairfield U      7 chapters 1st semester & plan 8 chapters 2nd but not
yet taught
U of Calif Santa Barbara  5 chapters each of 3 quarters
Berkeley         8 chapters 1st semester and 7 in 2nd semester
U of N Carolina Chapel Hill    8 chapters each semester

        The average was 6.25 chapters per semester.

        I really regret that I had no responses from high school teachers except
for one teacher who wrote, "I am not using Nachalo, but I figure if I can
cover in TWO YEARS what a college course covers in a semester, we are
doing well....I am more concerned about keeping students interested so I
can build a program."

        Comments on difficulty included:
        "In the three years we've used it, no students have complained about
going too fast"...Jonathan Ludwig, U of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
        "I do have to say the pace gets pretty hectic during the second
semester...and some of the students have a hard time keeping up."...Keith
Langston, U of Georgia
        "I've had no problem this term with students complaining of too much
work.  I spend eight class periods per unit and test after every two
units."...Paula Sapienza, Fairfield U
        "This represents a relatively heavy work load, but I don't think it's
too much for university students."...Larry McLellan. UC Santa Barbara
        "Many of our students comment on how fast the pace is but then often go
on to say how much they have learned in one semester.  I can see where it
could be a bit much for high school students, though."...Lisa Little,
Berkeley
        "We really rush to get things done."...Anne Stepan Keown, U of NC Chapel
Hill
        "The other teaching assistants and I have some problems getting through
all of the material.  Our students are able to get through the grammar,
but all the rest of the material the textbook offers: conversations,
dialogs, readings, get short-shrift, not to speak of the video."...Maria
Stainaker, U of NC Chapel Hill

        George Mitrevski of Auburn University has very useful web exercises for
Nachalo and his syllabus at http://www.auburn.edu/~mitrege/index.html.

        I hope this is useful information for you.  If you would like a full
text of all comments received, let me know at thurmchcs at juno.com.
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From sipkadan at erols.com  Wed Nov 24 01:39:09 1999
From: sipkadan at erols.com (Danko Sipka)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 20:39:09 -0500
Subject: Azbukum 2000, Serbian Language School + Conference
Message-ID: <TUE.23.NOV.1999.203909.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

The organizers asked me to forward this information to the list.

Best,


Danko Sipka


Centre for Serbian Language and Culture
AZBUKUM
The 2000 Programmes’ Scedule


SERBIAN LANGUAGE

Basic Courses (Beginners’ – Advanced)
Winter:  3 - 14.  01.  /  17 – 28. 01. /   17. 01 – 11. 02.
Summer:  17 - 28. 07.   / 17. 07 - 11. 08.

Specialized Course
Winter: 10 - 14. 01.
Summer:  17 – 21. 07.

SERBIAN CULTURE COURSES

Seminar in Ethnolinguistics  (17 –28.07)
lecturer: Anna Plotnikova, PhD,Russian Academy of Science, Moscow,
Tatiana Agapkina, PhD,  Russian Academy of Science, Moscow, Ljubinko
Radenkovic, PhD, Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts, Belgrade, Dejan
Ajdacic, PhD, University’s Library, Belgrade
Survey of Serbian Literature  (3-7.01. / 17 – 21.07)
lecturer: Marija Kleut, PhD, University of  Novi Sad, Milivoj Nenin,
PhD, University of  Novi Sad, Svetlana Tomin, MA, University of  Novi
Sad
Contemporary Serbian Literature (10 – 14.01. / 7- 11.08)
lecturer: Sava Damjanov, PhD, University of  Novi Sad
Social Platforms of Serbian Culture in the 20th Century (10 – 14.01. /
31. 07 – 04. 08)
lecturer: Biljana Simunovic, MA, University of  Novi Sad
Demons in Serbian Tradition  (17 – 21.07)
lecturer: Dejan Ajdacic, PhD, University’s Library, Belgrade
An Outline of Serbian Culture (10 – 14. 01. / 24 – 27.07)
lecturer: Natasa Milicevic-Dobromirov, AZBUKUM Centre, Novi Sad
Traditional Dances and Customs (3 – 14.01. / 17. 07 – 01. 08)
lecturer: Goran Lakic, AZBUKUM Centre, Novi Sad


INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE

At AZBUKUM’s Fifth Anniversary, Council, lectors and Centre’s staff
cordially invite you to participate in the International Conference:
SERBS AND OTHERS.
The Conference will take place in Novi Sad, 27th–31st July, 2000.
There will be two sections:
Linguistic:   Serbian as a Foreign Language – Methodology, Interests,
Possibilities
Anthropological:  Similarities Between Serbian and Other Cultures

 It would be our pleasure to see you participating in the Conference as
well as to celebrate the AZBUKUM’s birthday with us.


NOTE
For more detailed information on the programmes, please contact the
Centre AZBUKUM:
azb at EUnet.yu  , mailing address: Dragise Brasovana 18, 21000 Novi Sad,
Yugoslavia;
tel/fax: # 381 21 450 528 , tel: #381 21 371 906.  Visit our web site:
www.azbukum.org.yu


RASPORED PROGRAMA ZA 2000. GODINU.
Centar za srpski jezik i kulturu, AZBUKUM


SRPSKI  JEZIK

Osnovni kursevi (Pocetni -Visoki)
zima:  3 - 14.  01.  / 17 – 28. 01. / 17. 01 – 11. 02.
leto:  17 - 28. 07. / 17. 07 - 11. 08.

Specijalisti~ki kurs
zima: 10 - 14. 01.
leto:  17 – 21. 07.

KURSEVI IZ KULTURE SRBA

Seminar iz etnolingvistike i antropologije (17 –28.07)
predavaci: dr Ana Plotnjikova, Institut slavistike, Ruska akademija
nauka, Moskva, dr Tatjana Agapkina, Institut slavistike, Ruska akademija
nauka, Moskva, dr Ljubinko Radenkovi}, Balkanoloski institut, SANU,
Beograd, dr Dejan Ajdacic, Univerzitetska biblioteka, Beograd
Pregled srpske knjizevnosti (3-7.01. / 17 – 21.07)
predavaci: dr Marija Kleut, Filozofski fakultet, Novi Sad, Milivoj
Nenin, Filozofski fakultet, Novi Sad, Svetlana Tomin, Filozofski
fakultet, Novi Sad
Savremena srpska knjizevnost  (10 – 14.01. / 7- 11.08)
predavaci: Sava Damjanov, PhD, University of  Novi Sad
Drustvene osnove srpske  (10 – 14.01. / 31. 07 – 04. 08)
predavaci: Biljana Simunovic, MA, University of  Novi Sad
Demoni u srpskoj tradiciji  (17 – 21.07)
predavaci: Dejan Ajdacic, PhD, University’s Library, Belgrade
Uvod u srpsku kulturu  (10 – 14. 01. / 24 – 27.07)
predavaci: Natasa Milicevic-Dobromirov, AZBUKUM Centre, Novi Sad
Narodne igre i obicaji (3 – 14.01. / 17. 07 – 01. 08)
predavaci: lecturer: Goran Lakic, AZBUKUM Centre, Novi Sad

MEDJUNARODNI SKUP “SRBI I DRUGI”
Povodom proslave Jubileja 5 godina od osnivanja, Savet, predava~i i
osoblje Centra pozivaju vas da u~estvujete u Medjunarodnom skupu pod
nazivom: SRBI I DRUGI.
Skup ce se odrzati u Novom Sadu, od 27. do 31. jula 2000. godine.
Na prvom Skupu AZBUKUMA zeleli bismo da paznju usmerimo samo na neke
aspekte kulture Srba. Stoga ce Skup biti organizovan u dve sekcije:

lingvisti~ka: Srpski kao strani – metodologija, interesovanja,
mogucnosti
antropoloska: Slicnosti srpske i drugih kultura

Bilo bi nam drago da svojim ucescem doprinesete radu Skupa i ujedno
proslavite sa nama rodjendan AZBUKUMA.

NAPOMENA
Za sve detaljnije informacije, molimo vas da se obratite osoblju Centra
AZBUKUM: azb at EUnet.yu ili  na adresu: Dragise Brasovana 18, 21000 Novi
Sad, Jugoslavija;
tel/fax: # 381 21 450 528 , tel: #381 21 371 906.
Posetite i www.azbukum.org.yu


From mmck at seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu  Wed Nov 24 03:15:06 1999
From: mmck at seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu (Margaret McKibben)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:15:06 -0800
Subject: songs about Siberia
In-Reply-To: <199911230504.VAA10085@seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.23.NOV.1999.191506.0800.MMCK@SEACCD.SCCD.CTC.EDU>

I have an anecdote which may apply...in 1985 I was at a folk song festival
in Novosibirsk, and in conversation with the head of the hosting choir
mentioned that I was collecting songs from US Old Believers whose roots
were in Siberia.

"Have you found any anti-war songs?" she asked.  "Our choir keeps getting
invited to perform at peace festivals, and we've tried to find appropriate
material on our recording expeditions to our local villages, but all we
can get are exile songs -- exile songs -- and more exile songs!"

So that's Siberia in the imagination of the local Russian population, it
seems.

I've long been curious about the absence of railroad lore in Siberian
folk music.  The musical folklore of the American West is packed with
railroad heroes, railroad references, instrumental quotes of steam engine
whistles and the sound of wheels on track. I've yet to find anything
analogous in Siberian folk music, in spite of the similiar role of the
railroad.

Margaret McKibben, librarian
North Seattle Community College
mmck at seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu


From dumanis at acsu.buffalo.edu  Wed Nov 24 03:52:00 1999
From: dumanis at acsu.buffalo.edu (Edward M Dumanis)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 22:52:00 -0500
Subject: songs about Siberia
In-Reply-To: <Pine.HPP.3.96.991123185832.26498B-100000@seaccd.sccd.ctc.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.23.NOV.1999.225200.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, Margaret McKibben wrote:

> I have an anecdote which may apply...in 1985 I was at a folk song festival
> in Novosibirsk, and in conversation with the head of the hosting choir
> mentioned that I was collecting songs from US Old Believers whose roots
> were in Siberia.
>
> "Have you found any anti-war songs?" she asked.  "Our choir keeps getting
> invited to perform at peace festivals, and we've tried to find appropriate
> material on our recording expeditions to our local villages, but all we
> can get are exile songs -- exile songs -- and more exile songs!"
>
> So that's Siberia in the imagination of the local Russian population, it
> seems.
>
> I've long been curious about the absence of railroad lore in Siberian
> folk music.  The musical folklore of the American West is packed with
> railroad heroes, railroad references, instrumental quotes of steam engine
> whistles and the sound of wheels on track. I've yet to find anything
> analogous in Siberian folk music, in spite of the similiar role of the
> railroad.

You won't find them because you are mistaken here.
The first Russian people's acquaintance with the railroads was through
their forced labor in building them with absolutely unhumane conditions.
It was hard for them to be enthusiastic for the result of their heroic
efforts when they went through swamps and the elements of nature leaving
many dead behind.

There is no comparison with the American experience.


Edward Dumanis <dumanis at acsu.buffalo.edu>


From e.judkovskaja at hum.uva.nl  Wed Nov 24 12:31:38 1999
From: e.judkovskaja at hum.uva.nl (E. Judkovskaja)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:31:38 +0100
Subject: Plato and art censorship (fwd)
Message-ID: <WED.24.NOV.1999.133138.0100.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Neskoljko dnej slezhu za diskussiej o cenzure. I poskoljku etot predmet,
kak ampytirovannuj palec, noet na nepogodu, to  obraschajusj  k  rodnomy
jazyku  vsex moix polozhiteljnyx i otricateljnux emocij.
Stranno, pochemu govorja o cenzyre, vsegda imejyt vvidy ee politicheskij
kontekst. V Rossii, a tem bolee v Sovetskoj, cenzura  rezala, dolbila,
zapreschala, kogda politikoj ili politiheskoj neblagonadezhnosjy i ne
paxlo. Konechno, vsje motivirovalosj  otvetstvennostju za podrastajuschee
pokolenie, nerazgkasheniem gosudarstvennoj tajnu,vneshnej i vnutrennej
bezopasnostjy  i t.d. Eto buli yslovija igr, kotorue  literatura i
zhurnalistika  xorosho ysvoila. I zachastujy cenzura  bula ne nuzhna,
poskoljky v kazhdom pishuschem sidel vnutrennij cenzor, diktuja, chto dlja
pechatyi, a chto dlja  ustnogo tvorchestva. I chitatelj nauchilsja chitatj
mezhdu strok, poroj  stanovjasj soavtorom. Vot eto sredi  prochix prichin i
pomoglo soxranitj kuljturu. Ibo tradicii esli ne sozdaet, to socranjaet
chitatelj i zritelj. A v Rossii on demokratichen. Mozhno mnogo pisatj  na
ety temy, no ne xochy bytj mnogoslovnoj i otklonjatjsja ot pradmeta
diskyssii.
Korni, iz kotorux prprosla i rascvela  nasha cenzura, konechno,
politicheskie. V Rossii ispokon veka  bul poisk i pogonja za vragom. Vrag
vneshnij, vnutrennij, vrag Otechestva, vrag naroda.  Pochti vsegda eto
inorodec, intelligent.  Mu i sami-to okazalisj zdesj, ustav butj vragami.
No pomimo vsego, mu okazalisj zhertvami sobstvennogo idealizma, ibo nasha
izvechnaja toska po mirovoj kuljture  nichto inoje kak ocherednaja russkaja
idej. Ja  s boljshim interesom prochitala  soobchenie ( chutj bulo ne
skazala 'priznanije') Udut Kenneth i esche raz ubedilasj, chto 'rugatj ili
xvalitj' - rychagi vospitanija v detskom vozraste. Po otnosheniy k
sobstvennoj strane i sobstvennoj kuljture    luchshe butj ob'ektibnum. Eto
nelegko, tak zche kak 'vozljubitj istiny'.
Izvinite, esli bula neskoljko sumburna v izlozhenii.
S boljshim uvazheniem
Elena Yudkovskaya


From sforres1 at swarthmore.edu  Wed Nov 24 14:51:16 1999
From: sforres1 at swarthmore.edu (Sibelan Forrester)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:51:16 -0500
Subject: 2000-2001 AWSS Pre-Dissertation Fellowship
Message-ID: <WED.24.NOV.1999.095116.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Applications are invited for the 2000-2001 AWSS Pre-Dissertation
Fellowship in Slavic Women's Studies, for research and travel to be
conducted between June, 2000 and August, 2001. For graduate students
(women or men) at the pre-dissertation stage who are either: US or
Canadian citizens (or permanent residents) enrolled in any university
in the world; or foreign students enrolled in North American
universities.  Applicants should be at the immediate
post-comprehensive or pre-comprehensive stage and planning to write a
dissertation in any area of Slavic women's studies.
Applications should include three copies of the following:  CV,
prospectus outlining the dissertation topic (maximum five pages
double-spaced),  preliminary bibliography, and a list of archives and
libraries to be used for preliminary research (located in the US,
Canada, Europe, or the former Soviet Union; travel to collections is
not a requirement for the fellowship).  Two letters of recommendation
should be sent separately.
Please send all materials to Stephanie Sandler, Russian Department
(box 2260), Amherst College, Amherst, MA 01002-5000.  Applications
should be postmarked by January 1, 2000; the award will be announced
in March, 2000.  E-mail queries may be sent to
<ssandler at amherst.edu>.  The fellowship committee members are
Stephanie Sandler, Betsy Jones Hemenway, and Halina Filipowicz.
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From schmidu at ubaclu.unibas.ch  Thu Nov 25 10:54:45 1999
From: schmidu at ubaclu.unibas.ch (Ulrich Schmid)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:54:45 +0100
Subject: Efim Etkind
Message-ID: <THU.25.NOV.1999.115445.0100.>

On Monday, the eminent Slavist Efim Etkind passed away in Potsdam
(Germany). He died from cancer.
Is there a biography available on the Internet? Or does anybody have
biographical information about Etkind's activities during the last
years?
--
Ulrich Schmid                     Ulrich.Schmid at unibas.ch

Universitaet Basel
Slavisches Seminar
Nadelberg 4                       Eigenstr. 16
CH - 4051 Basel                   CH - 8008 Zuerich

Tel./Fax (061) 267 34 11          Tel. (01) 422 23 20
http://www.unibas.ch/slavi/
http://www.pano.de


From a.jameson at dial.pipex.com  Thu Nov 25 16:16:50 1999
From: a.jameson at dial.pipex.com (Andrew Jameson)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 16:16:50 -0000
Subject: Fw: recent HELP request from Russia
Message-ID: <THU.25.NOV.1999.161650.0000.>

Thank you Marina for this information.
Andrew Jameson
Chair, Russian Committee, ALL
Languages and Professional Development
1 Brook Street, Lancaster LA1 1SL UK
Tel: 01524 32371  (+44 1524 32371)

----------
From: Marinaswan at aol.com
To: a.jameson at dial.pipex.com
Subject: Re: recent HELP request from Russia
Date: 24 November 1999 23:55

Dear Andrew,
I've just received via SEELANG and mailbase.uk lists the message on help
request from this person in Russia:
Valentin Mikhaylin
Ryleeva Street, 6-45
Kaluga. 248030
R u s s i a.

I am afraid it's a CON message, as we previously received several messages
from the same person in our language school. He once offered co-operation in
sending students to study in UK, then -sending documents to Russia by special
delivery via their company as by regular mail there was no guarantee because
of the corruption at the post offices in Russia.

Do you think you can forward this warning to the mail list members?
 I would support the idea of helping Russians but I don't want any conmen to
take advantage of people's generosity and trust. Unfortunately, there are
still enough 'businessmen'of this kind in Russia.

With kind regards



Marina Burrell
RuSS Chair, Cambridge


From c0654038 at techst02.technion.ac.il  Thu Nov 25 18:40:52 1999
From: c0654038 at techst02.technion.ac.il (Alexey I. Fuchs)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 20:40:52 +0200
Subject: Georgian films
In-Reply-To: <0.52f6fafb.256c2936@cs.com>
Message-ID: <THU.25.NOV.1999.204052.0200.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Perhaps I am wrong and I mixed up the names of the movies, but isn't it
the one in which Kikabidze pulls out of the king's throat a bone, thus
preventing his death through choking? (Of course, there are details into
which I won't go, this is just to ensure we are talking about the same
movie). If so, the legend may not be Georgian "to the bone", but it is
certainly mediaeval. Or are we confused by the fact that the setting of
the legend in the movie is modern?

By the way, I have recently seen "Ashik Kerib" by Paradzhanov. This is an
extraordinary movie depicting a lot of Georgian rites and traditions, set
in the times of Muslem Georgia. A bit of surrealism and a dedication to
Tarkovsky, "friend and teacher," if I am not mistaken.

The characters in this movie seemed to me to speak Turkish rather than
Georgian (though I am ignorant in both). Can anybody provide ann easy
explanation?

                                                        Alexey



On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, I. Christina Sperrle wrote:

> <"Ne goryuy," - a mediaeval Georgian legend, a comedy again. One of
> <the best.
>
> Interesting, I didn't know that in Georgia the medieval period lasted into
> the 20th century. It is one of the best comedies, though.
>


From dumanis at acsu.buffalo.edu  Thu Nov 25 22:53:26 1999
From: dumanis at acsu.buffalo.edu (Edward M Dumanis)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 17:53:26 -0500
Subject: Georgian films
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.3.95.991125203437.28074B-100000@techst02.technion.ac.il>
Message-ID: <THU.25.NOV.1999.175326.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I might be mistaken but I always thought that the original Ashik Kerib was
Azerbaijani or Uzbek.  Does anyone know for sure?

Edward Dumanis <dumanis at acsu.buffalo.edu>


On Thu, 25 Nov 1999, Alexey I. Fuchs wrote:

> Perhaps I am wrong and I mixed up the names of the movies, but isn't it
> the one in which Kikabidze pulls out of the king's throat a bone, thus
> preventing his death through choking? (Of course, there are details into
> which I won't go, this is just to ensure we are talking about the same
> movie). If so, the legend may not be Georgian "to the bone", but it is
> certainly mediaeval. Or are we confused by the fact that the setting of
> the legend in the movie is modern?
>
> By the way, I have recently seen "Ashik Kerib" by Paradzhanov. This is an
> extraordinary movie depicting a lot of Georgian rites and traditions, set
> in the times of Muslem Georgia. A bit of surrealism and a dedication to
> Tarkovsky, "friend and teacher," if I am not mistaken.
>
> The characters in this movie seemed to me to speak Turkish rather than
> Georgian (though I am ignorant in both). Can anybody provide ann easy
> explanation?
>
>                                                         Alexey
>
>
>
> On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, I. Christina Sperrle wrote:
>
> > <"Ne goryuy," - a mediaeval Georgian legend, a comedy again. One of
> > <the best.
> >
> > Interesting, I didn't know that in Georgia the medieval period lasted into
> > the 20th century. It is one of the best comedies, though.
> >
>


From Stanislav.Tchernyshov at lidenz.ru  Fri Nov 26 11:52:49 1999
From: Stanislav.Tchernyshov at lidenz.ru (Stanislav Tchernyshov)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:52:49 +0300
Subject: Plato and art censorship (fwd)
Message-ID: <FRI.26.NOV.1999.145249.0300.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

"V Rossii ispokon veka  bul poisk i pogonja za vragom. Vrag
vneshnij, vnutrennij, vrag Otechestva, vrag naroda.  Pochti vsegda eto
inorodec, intelligent."
Elena, let me ask you some questions regarding you posting, since
certain ideas are quite common among "intelligencia" and I'm not sure I
have a precise understanding of what they mean.
1.How should we understand "ispokon veka"?
2.Do you think that, if we look at the world history, "poisk i pogonja
za vragom" in Russia make an impression of smth special?
3."inorodec, intelligent" - do you think these two notions are in close
connection? If yes, wouldn't you explain, why?

Stanislav Tchernyshov
Academic Supervisor

===============================================
Liden & Denz St.Petersburg (Russia)

Language Centre St.Petersburg
PO Box 8, FIN 53501 Lappeenranta, Suomi-Finland
Phone: +7-812-325 22 41; Fax: +7-812-325 12 84
Stanislav.Tchernyshov at Lidenz.Ru, http://www.lidenz.ru
===================================


From myadroff at indiana.edu  Fri Nov 26 21:49:12 1999
From: myadroff at indiana.edu (Michael Yadroff)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 16:49:12 -0500
Subject: Demonstratives?
Message-ID: <FRI.26.NOV.1999.164912.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Can anyone out there tell me if there is a specific term for
demonstratives when used indefinitely (i) or non-referentially (ii)
like in the following expression?

(i) "pogovorit' o tom, o sem" 'to talk about this and that';

or in the following sentence (from Turgenev's "Gamlet Shchigrovskogo uezda"):

(ii) "Ja, vidite li, robok, i robok ne v _tu_ silu, chto ja
provincial, a v _tu_ silu, chto ja strashno samoljubivyj chelovek."
'I'm, you see, shy, and I'm shy not because I'm from boondocks, but
because I'm terribly touchy person.'

Non-deictic demonstratives? (sounds like "hot ice")

my
**************************************************************************
"Russkaja idej"

"Mu i sami-to okazalisj zdesj, ustav butj vragami.
No pomimo vsego, mu okazalisj zhertvami sobstvennogo idealizma, ibo nasha
izvechnaja toska po mirovoj kuljture  nichto inoje kak ocherednaja russkaja
idej."
                                                No comment ;-)
**************************************************************************


From vz2 at is.nyu.edu  Fri Nov 26 23:35:18 1999
From: vz2 at is.nyu.edu (Valentina Zaitseva)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:35:18 -0500
Subject: Demonstratives?
Message-ID: <FRI.26.NOV.1999.183518.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Michael,
I remember that similar problewm was discussed in Herman Parret's article
of 1991 "Deixis and shifters after Jakobson", in: New vistas in grammar:
Invariance and Variation, ed. by Linda Waugh & Stephen Rudy.
Among other things, Parret is talking about non-referential uses of deixis.
In terms of Yokoyama's TDM, the specific example you are quoting, I think,
can be viewed as  a code item signalling the presence of propositional
knowledge and the lack of specificational one, i.e. a code "filler" for a
propositional term.
 The interesting part remaining unaccounted for "pogovorit' o tom o sem" is
the "ottenok" in the speaker's perspective: "nothing particularly
important."

Best,
Valentina Zaitseva, NYU


>Can anyone out there tell me if there is a specific term for
>demonstratives when used indefinitely (i) or non-referentially (ii)
>like in the following expression?
>
>(i) "pogovorit' o tom, o sem" 'to talk about this and that';
>
>or in the following sentence (from Turgenev's "Gamlet Shchigrovskogo uezda"):
>
>(ii) "Ja, vidite li, robok, i robok ne v _tu_ silu, chto ja
>provincial, a v _tu_ silu, chto ja strashno samoljubivyj chelovek."
>'I'm, you see, shy, and I'm shy not because I'm from boondocks, but
>because I'm terribly touchy person.'
>
>Non-deictic demonstratives? (sounds like "hot ice")
>
>my
>**************************************************************************
>"Russkaja idej"
>
>"Mu i sami-to okazalisj zdesj, ustav butj vragami.
>No pomimo vsego, mu okazalisj zhertvami sobstvennogo idealizma, ibo nasha
>izvechnaja toska po mirovoj kuljture  nichto inoje kak ocherednaja russkaja
>idej."
>                                                No comment ;-)
>**************************************************************************


From CSperrle at cs.com  Sat Nov 27 04:00:00 1999
From: CSperrle at cs.com (I. Christina Sperrle)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 23:00:00 EST
Subject: Georgian films
Message-ID: <FRI.26.NOV.1999.230000.EST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I am sorry to be quibbling, Alexey, but I am an advocate of a non-polluted
Internet environment:

"Ne gorjuj" is based on the mid 19th-century French novel: "Mon oncle
Benjamin" by Claude Tillier. It is about the (mis)adventures of a country
doctor whose deeds include pulling a bone out of the throat of a nobleman
(kniaz' in Russian does not mean king!). Daneliia transposed the material to
beginning 20th-century Georgia.

Christina


In a message dated 11/25/1999 10:41:15 AM Pacific Standard Time,
c0654038 at techst02.technion.ac.il writes:

<< Perhaps I am wrong and I mixed up the names of the movies, but isn't it
 the one in which Kikabidze pulls out of the king's throat a bone, thus
 preventing his death through choking? (Of course, there are details into
 which I won't go, this is just to ensure we are talking about the same
 movie). If so, the legend may not be Georgian "to the bone", but it is
 certainly mediaeval. Or are we confused by the fact that the setting of
 the legend in the movie is modern?

 By the way, I have recently seen "Ashik Kerib" by Paradzhanov. This is an
 extraordinary movie depicting a lot of Georgian rites and traditions, set
 in the times of Muslem Georgia. A bit of surrealism and a dedication to
 Tarkovsky, "friend and teacher," if I am not mistaken.

 The characters in this movie seemed to me to speak Turkish rather than
 Georgian (though I am ignorant in both). Can anybody provide ann easy
 explanation?

                                                         Alexey



 On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, I. Christina Sperrle wrote:

 > <"Ne goryuy," - a mediaeval Georgian legend, a comedy again. One of
 > <the best.
 >
 > Interesting, I didn't know that in Georgia the medieval period lasted into
 > the 20th century. It is one of the best comedies, though.
 >
  >>


From Wambah at aol.com  Sat Nov 27 20:41:18 1999
From: Wambah at aol.com (Laura Kline)
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 15:41:18 EST
Subject: Documentary films on the Gorbachev and Yeltsin periods
Message-ID: <SAT.27.NOV.1999.154118.EST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear All,
Can anyone recommend good documentary films on the Gorbachev and Yeltsin
periods? I am looking for something preferably short (20-50 minutes) which
would cover both periods at least through 1994.
Thanks,
Laura Kline


From mstalnak at email.unc.edu  Sun Nov 28 18:16:22 1999
From: mstalnak at email.unc.edu (Maria Stalnaker)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 13:16:22 -0500
Subject: Results of Nachalo survey
In-Reply-To: <19991123.163546.-192771.1.thurmchcs@juno.com>
Message-ID: <SUN.28.NOV.1999.131622.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Thank you for sending the results.  The only information missing to
complete the picture was how many times/ week the class meets.  We at UNC
meet only three times/week plus a separate section for conversation.

Maria Stalnaker


From ggerhart at wolfenet.com  Sun Nov 28 20:13:07 1999
From: ggerhart at wolfenet.com (Genevra Gerhart)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 12:13:07 -0800
Subject: Results of Nachalo survey
Message-ID: <SUN.28.NOV.1999.121307.0800.>

The results of the Nachalo survey were indeed a great leap forward -- at
least we now have some idea of what is attempted where. But the picture
is still muddy:
1. As Stalnaker says, we need to know how many class hours or semester
credits are involved. (HS language courses typically require 20 to 25
percent of the students' time while college courses use 30 to 60
percent.)
2. We also need to know the extent to which the goal was achieved: what
can the students actually read, write, speak or "appreciate"?
3. We also need to know what percentage enrolled for the next course.

And like that.
--
Genevra Gerhart
http://www.wolfenet.com/~ggerhart/

2134 E. Interlaken  Bl.                 Tel. 206/329-0053
Seattle, WA  98112                      ggerhart at wolfenet.com


From levitt at rcf.usc.edu  Sun Nov 28 22:33:04 1999
From: levitt at rcf.usc.edu (Marcus Levitt)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 17:33:04 EST
Subject: Hoaxes and Falsifications
Message-ID: <SUN.28.NOV.1999.173304.EST.>

Dear Colleagues,
  Andrei Toporkov of IMLI in Moscow has an exciting idea for a joint
Russian-American conference, and is looking for an American
partner to help set it up.
  The idea for the conference is: Literary and Historical Falsifi-
cations, Hoaxes, and Fakes in Russian Culture.  This would cover
all time periods.  Andrei and his colleagues in Moscow are
working on an anthology of faked folklore materials, from imitation
epic poetry to faked folkloric texts, but he would like to broaden the
scope of the conference to include such things as debates over the
authenticity of the Igor Tale and other medieval works; historical
falsifications; literary mystifications in modern Russian literature;
historical falsifications during the Stalin period; and contemporary
charlatanism and other sorts of falsifications.   He is also hoping to
publish a volume of conference procedings, and even has an
interested publisher lined up.
  Would you be interested in helping Andrei to set up such a
conference, or to take part in such an event (i.e., give a paper)?
  Please get in touch with me if you would lilke to get involved, or if
you have questions, comments or ideas.  (Andrei does not use e-
mail).  Sincerely, M. Levitt



Marcus C. Levitt, Associate Professor
Dept. of Slavic Languages and Literatures
The University of Southern California
Los Angeles, CA 90089-4353

Please note that all e-mail should be sent to me at
<Levitt at usc.edu> and not to <Levitt at hermes.usc.edu>.

tel. (213) 740-2740
fax  (213) 740-8550


From Ulrich.Schmid at unibas.ch  Sun Nov 28 23:06:31 1999
From: Ulrich.Schmid at unibas.ch (Ulrich Schmid)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 18:06:31 EST
Subject: Efim Etkind
Message-ID: <SUN.28.NOV.1999.180631.EST.>

On Monday, the eminent Slavist Efim Etkind passed away in Potsdam. He
died from cancer.
Is there a biography available on the Internet? Does somebody have
biographical information about Etkind, especially on his activities in
the past years?
--
Ulrich Schmid                     Ulrich.Schmid at unibas.ch

Universitaet Basel
Slavisches Seminar
Nadelberg 4                       Eigenstr. 16
CH - 4051 Basel                   CH - 8008 Zuerich

Tel./Fax (061) 267 34 11          Tel. (01) 422 23 20
http://www.unibas.ch/slavi/
http://www.pano.de


From dedowney at narrowgate.net  Mon Nov 29 00:21:13 1999
From: dedowney at narrowgate.net (dan e. downey)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 18:21:13 -0600
Subject: Sesame Street/Pooh and the like
Message-ID: <SUN.28.NOV.1999.182113.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Seelangers:

Would someone please relay to me any information/update on availbility of
videos of Sesame Street, Winny the Pooh and/or close matches in Russian?

Thank you.

Dan
dedowney at narrowgate.net


From lclittle at socrates.berkeley.edu  Mon Nov 29 01:53:53 1999
From: lclittle at socrates.berkeley.edu (Lisa Little)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 17:53:53 -0800
Subject: Results of Nachalo survey
In-Reply-To: <Pine.A41.3.95L.991128131505.46186E-100000@login1.isis.unc.edu>
Message-ID: <SUN.28.NOV.1999.175353.0800.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I found the survey very interesting, but clearly the number of hours of
class time per week is crucial for any sort of comparison.

Here at Berkeley we meet 5 hours a week and have a test after every chapter
(listening, reading, and grammar sections on computer in the lab and
speaking and writing sections as separate assignments).  We spend 8 days
per chapter and allow the students to take the computerized portion of the
test that day, the next day, or the first day of the next chapter.  They
can take this portion up to 3 times (each version slightly different), the
idea being that language is cumulative and that they need to build on a
solid foundation.  Mark Kaiser from the Berkeley Language Center and I
began the computer-testing pilot program in September.

I would also like to ask those of you who test after every two chapters
whether you feel that the students keep up between tests or just cram the
night before and/or whether the amount of material for each test is not
more than the students can handle.  What do your students think about it?
I have thought of doing it that way in order to gain a little breathing
room, but have always worried about the consequences.

Lisa Little


>Thank you for sending the results.  The only information missing to
>complete the picture was how many times/ week the class meets.  We at UNC
>meet only three times/week plus a separate section for conversation.
>
>Maria Stalnaker


From dwkaiser at midway.uchicago.edu  Mon Nov 29 05:18:09 1999
From: dwkaiser at midway.uchicago.edu (David Kaiser)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 23:18:09 -0600
Subject: Curriculum Help
In-Reply-To: <v01510101b464c3a0f138@[128.122.9.203]>
Message-ID: <SUN.28.NOV.1999.231809.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I am looking for suggestions for an intermediate level Russian class. I am
a grad student at the University of Chicago and I'm teaching Russian to
three International MBA students. Their actual level of proficiency varies,
but all have lived in Russia. I would like to teach vocab and grammar and I
need help selecting a grammar text and grammar exercises. Thus far we have
used xeroxes from texts such as Davis and Opprendeck or Wade or handouts of
my own creation which discuss and drill the topic on the table, but I
believe we need more structure. Because they are MBAs, this class  will
never be their top priority, but these students have been consistently
interested and motivated and I want to keep them adequately challenged. Any
help will be appreciated. Thank you in advance.

Dave Kaiser




"A shared purpose did not claim my identity.
On the contrary, it enlarged my sense of myself."
        Senator John McCain


From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Mon Nov 29 07:37:09 1999
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 02:37:09 -0500
Subject: postcard exchange (fwd)
Message-ID: <MON.29.NOV.1999.023709.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

>>From another list - please respond directly to the original writer.

Devin

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 21:54:19 EST
From: Shuffelton at aol.com
To: RusTeach at design.techpromotion.com
Subject: postcard exchange

I have six Russian 1 students who are hoping to exchange postcards with
another first year high school class.  Their ages range from fourteen to
seventeen, and they have written postcards with basic information in Russian
about themselves.  Please respond if you have students interested in
receiving, and answering their postcards.
Thanks,
Jane Shuffelton


From c0654038 at techst02.technion.ac.il  Mon Nov 29 09:29:13 1999
From: c0654038 at techst02.technion.ac.il (Alexey I. Fuchs)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:29:13 +0200
Subject: Georgian films
In-Reply-To: <0.e83a1a24.2570b140@cs.com>
Message-ID: <MON.29.NOV.1999.112913.0200.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

> I am sorry to be quibbling, Alexey, but I am an advocate of a non-polluted
> Internet environment:
>
> "Ne gorjuj" is based on the mid 19th-century French novel: "Mon oncle
> Benjamin" by Claude Tillier. It is about the (mis)adventures of a country
> doctor whose deeds include pulling a bone out of the throat of a nobleman
> (kniaz' in Russian does not mean king!). Daneliia transposed the material to
> beginning 20th-century Georgia.
>
> Christina


        I apologize for being mistaken. Just wanted to give as much of the
movie as I remembered (for I have seen it long ago). Thought he was a
king, assumed the legend was mediaeval, tried to provide hints to identify
the movie, and, probably, failed. Mea culpa.

        Apologies again, thanks for elucidation.

        To complete the confession, looking back at Ashik Kerib, I notice
that there was nothing (for me, not acquainted enough with Georgian
Culture) to identify him and his environment as Georgian (apart from
intermediary titles). His Azerbaijan origin would solve the enigma of
Turkish-sounding language they all spoke.

                                                        Alexey


From E.Mikhailik at unsw.edu.au  Mon Nov 29 10:26:06 1999
From: E.Mikhailik at unsw.edu.au (Elena Mikhailik)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:26:06 +1100
Subject: Sesame Street/Pooh and the like
In-Reply-To: <199911290050.SAA00556@dns.narrowgate.net>
Message-ID: <MON.29.NOV.1999.212606.1100.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Dan,

There is a very popular Russian animated version of "Winny the Pooh" that
could be obtained from any Russian video and/or book store.

With best wishes,

Elena

-----------------------------
Department of German and Russian Studies
University of NSW
KENSINGTON  2052  NSW
(02) 93155634 (h)
(02) 94303412 (w)
E.Mikhailik at unsw.edu.au
elena.mikhailik at sbs.com.ru


At 18:21 28/11/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Dear Seelangers:
>
>Would someone please relay to me any information/update on availbility of
>videos of Sesame Street, Winny the Pooh and/or close matches in Russian?
>
>Thank you.
>
>Dan
>dedowney at narrowgate.net
>
>
>


From e.judkovskaja at hum.uva.nl  Mon Nov 29 13:19:46 1999
From: e.judkovskaja at hum.uva.nl (E. Judkovskaja)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:19:46 +0100
Subject: plato and censorship
Message-ID: <MON.29.NOV.1999.141946.0100.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Stanislav,
Thank you very much for reaction.
I think nobody was able to read my message because of the tarabarskogo spelling.
I am glad to give answers  for youw questions, but  I don't sure, that  you
need it. O.k.
1.'Ispokon veka' is not only russian idiom. I mean , voor example, epoch of
Ivan Grozny, Petr Pervyj, Elizaveth. Of course, this expression is
emmotional and you have to regard it  only in context for  comparison and
oppozittion Russuan to Soviet  history.
2. Yes, the  idea of 'poisk i pogonja za vragom' is very populatr everywere
for the space of world history.  I would not like  speak about America,
because  this is especial theme. Almost all European wars and antagonism
were based  at the religious differences. It was a reason.  When these
differences were to a some extent ballansed, it begun  intensive  economic
development  of westeuropian countries.  It was a  result.  Wat pity, but
in my country  cause and effect were confused during all history. I meam
their real sense.  All country  have  black pages of the   own history.
But Russia with her constant  suggesties to confession, reads these pages
to idealize  the past as fetish. So there is no progres, no  future, when
maybe fictitious enemy can besome reall friend.
3.Inorodec, intelligent are not in close connection. This is  only
enumeration.  Its right to say - to inotodec, to intelligent.

Elena Yudkovskaya
e.judkovskaja at hum.uva.nl

tel.3120-6686347


From rrobin at gwu.edu  Mon Nov 29 14:11:58 1999
From: rrobin at gwu.edu (Richard Robin)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:11:58 -0500
Subject: Sesame Street/Pooh and the like
Message-ID: <MON.29.NOV.1999.091158.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Sesame Street videos are easily available in Russia. I have not seen them in
the U.S., (i.e. Kamkin's-DC or street stores in Brooklyn) perhaps because of
copyright issues. But you might want to try the usual sources:
http://www.rbcvideo.com and http://www.russianshopping.com. Since
Russianshopping has some of their stuff shipped directly from partners inside
Russia, maybe one of the partners has it.

BUT... The question is, does anyone have it in the U.S. NTSC TV standard?
Chances are if you find it through Russianshopping, it's sure to be NTSC. But
an NTSC version might be hard to find. If you are willing to risk ordering
directly from Russia, you'll probably end up with a PAL version of the tape.
(All VHS tapes sold for the Russian market are in PAL, while all over-the-air
broadcasting is done in SECAM.) Playing a PAL tape in the U.S. requires one of
three things:

1.  Using a PAL-capable VCR and a PAL-capable TV. Many universities provide
access to multi-standard equipment that can do this.
2.  Play it on a multisystem-converting VCR. These VCRs can play PAL onto a
"normal" NTSC U.S. market TV. They also allow you to copy the tape onto a U.S.
NTSC VCR. (The resulting copy is American NTSC). These VCRs cost $400-$500. 3.
Alternatively, you could take the tape to a commercial service and have it
converted. ($15-$40 in most U.S. cities).

"dan e. downey" wrote:

> Dear Seelangers:
>
> Would someone please relay to me any information/update on availbility of
> videos of Sesame Street, Winny the Pooh and/or close matches in Russian?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Dan
> dedowney at narrowgate.net

--
Richard Robin - http://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~rrobin
German and Slavic Dept.
The George Washington University
WASHINGTON, DC 20052
Can read HTML mail.
~ITA@ PO-RUSSKI W L at BOJ KODIROWKE.
Chitayu po-russki v lyuboi kodirovke.


From dedowney at narrowgate.net  Mon Nov 29 15:21:23 1999
From: dedowney at narrowgate.net (dan e. downey)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:21:23 -0600
Subject: Sesame Street/Pooh and the like
Message-ID: <MON.29.NOV.1999.092123.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Thanks for the info.
DD

----------
>From: Richard Robin <rrobin at gwu.edu>
>To: SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
>Subject: Re: Sesame Street/Pooh and the like
>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:11:58 -0500
>

>Sesame Street videos are easily available in Russia. I have not seen them in
>the U.S., (i.e. Kamkin's-DC or street stores in Brooklyn) perhaps because of
>copyright issues. But you might want to try the usual sources:
>http://www.rbcvideo.com and http://www.russianshopping.com. Since
>Russianshopping has some of their stuff shipped directly from partners inside
>Russia, maybe one of the partners has it.
>
>BUT... The question is, does anyone have it in the U.S. NTSC TV standard?
>Chances are if you find it through Russianshopping, it's sure to be NTSC. But
>an NTSC version might be hard to find. If you are willing to risk ordering
>directly from Russia, you'll probably end up with a PAL version of the tape.
>(All VHS tapes sold for the Russian market are in PAL, while all over-the-air
>broadcasting is done in SECAM.) Playing a PAL tape in the U.S. requires one of
>three things:
>
>1.  Using a PAL-capable VCR and a PAL-capable TV. Many universities provide
>access to multi-standard equipment that can do this.
>2.  Play it on a multisystem-converting VCR. These VCRs can play PAL onto a
>"normal" NTSC U.S. market TV. They also allow you to copy the tape onto a U.S.
>NTSC VCR. (The resulting copy is American NTSC). These VCRs cost $400-$500. 3.
>Alternatively, you could take the tape to a commercial service and have it
>converted. ($15-$40 in most U.S. cities).
>
>"dan e. downey" wrote:
>
>> Dear Seelangers:
>>
>> Would someone please relay to me any information/update on availbility of
>> videos of Sesame Street, Winny the Pooh and/or close matches in Russian?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Dan
>> dedowney at narrowgate.net
>
>--
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>German and Slavic Dept.
>The George Washington University
>WASHINGTON, DC 20052
>Can read HTML mail.
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>Chitayu po-russki v lyuboi kodirovke.
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From dedowney at narrowgate.net  Mon Nov 29 15:22:07 1999
From: dedowney at narrowgate.net (dan e. downey)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:22:07 -0600
Subject: Sesame Street/Pooh and the like
Message-ID: <MON.29.NOV.1999.092207.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Thanks so much for the info.  I will be trying to locate such videos.

DD
----------
>From: Elena Mikhailik <E.Mikhailik at unsw.edu.au>
>To: SEELANGS at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
>Subject: Re: Sesame Street/Pooh and the like
>Date: Mon, Nov 29, 1999, 4:26 AM
>

>Dear Dan,
>
>There is a very popular Russian animated version of "Winny the Pooh" that
>could be obtained from any Russian video and/or book store.
>
>With best wishes,
>
>Elena
>
>-----------------------------
>Department of German and Russian Studies
>University of NSW
>KENSINGTON  2052  NSW
>(02) 93155634 (h)
>(02) 94303412 (w)
>E.Mikhailik at unsw.edu.au
>elena.mikhailik at sbs.com.ru
>
>
>At 18:21 28/11/99 -0600, you wrote:
>>Dear Seelangers:
>>
>>Would someone please relay to me any information/update on availbility of
>>videos of Sesame Street, Winny the Pooh and/or close matches in Russian?
>>
>>Thank you.
>>
>>Dan
>>dedowney at narrowgate.net
>>
>>
>>
>


From vandusen at actr.org  Mon Nov 29 16:54:34 1999
From: vandusen at actr.org (Irina VanDusen)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:54:34 -0500
Subject: Curriculum Help
Message-ID: <MON.29.NOV.1999.115434.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear David,
Textbook called "Russian for Business Communication" and "Glossary of Marketing Terms" are available from ACTR Publications (visit: http://www.actr.org, click Publications or call (202)833-7522).
Interactive language-learning modules for teaching Business Russian for intermediate level can be accessed through internet at:
http://www.russnet.org/online.html, click on Business Russian. There are currently five modules available for intermediate-level students. There is also one module introducing Russian Alphabet - this is the beginning of an upcoming series of Business Russian modules for beginners.
Hope it helps
Best regards,
Irin Van Dusen, Publications Manager, ACTR


From thurmchcs at juno.com  Mon Nov 29 17:45:37 1999
From: thurmchcs at juno.com (Eileen C. Thurman)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:45:37 -0600
Subject: Nachalo survey
Message-ID: <MON.29.NOV.1999.114537.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

        In my original question, I did not ask how many times a week the class
meets, nor how many hours of credit are given.  That is indeed a valid
question to be sure we are not comparing apples to oranges.  Some of
those who replied did include how often the class meets, so here is the
information I have:
        Syracuse U              3x a week + one conversation session
        Auburn U                4x a week + one lab day with assigned activities
        U of Georgia            4x a week
        U of Calif Santa Barbara        5x a week
        Berkeley                        5x a week
        U of NC Chapel Hill     3x a week + one conversation session

        I received one additional response, from DePauw U., where they cover 5
chapters each semester, which changes the average from 6.25 to exactly 6
chapters per semester.
        Genevra Gerhart commented "We also need to know the extent to which the
goal was achieved: what can the students actually read, write, speak or
'appreciate'?"
That would be nice, but how? As a hectic high school teacher with 6
preparations, who is just  trying to figure out how much I should cover
in my Russian 1 and 2 classes, I am not even going to touch that
question.  If someone else wants to try, or to collect information or
what percentage enrolled for the next course, more power to you.
        Thanks to all who responded.
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From mfrazier at mail.slc.edu  Mon Nov 29 19:11:47 1999
From: mfrazier at mail.slc.edu (frazier melissa)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:11:47 -0500
Subject: Results of Nachalo survey
In-Reply-To: <v03007805b467166f2ed5@[136.152.25.76]>
Message-ID: <MON.29.NOV.1999.141147.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Seelangers,

I am at a very small college with an odd scheduling system so my approach
may be a little different.  We meet twice a week for two hours and I then
have what is called a "Group Conference" for an hour once a week led by a
native speaker -- they mainly watch videos (including the video for
Nachalo, which they love) but also learn songs, make their own videos, etc.
 I actually feel a need to give them some breathing space because Nachalo
gives them a lot of information very quickly.  I give them quizzes after
every chapter but I have them do them with closed books and either in the
library or at home -- I just don't want to waste class time watching them
take a quiz, and because we're small I can get away with take-home quizzes.
 I'm very pleased with the results -- the taped dialogues and the videos
help especially with their oral comprehension, which is consistently good.
As for second year, this year I had fifty percent go on, which is my best
ever.  Even if they don't go on, though, I think Nachalo gives them very
good "survival" Russian.

Melissa Frazier





****************************
Melissa Frazier
Literature/Russian Dept.
Sarah Lawrence College
1 Mead Way
Bronxville, NY  10704
(914)395-2295
mfrazier at mail.slc.edu


From Lvisson at aol.com  Mon Nov 29 23:31:22 1999
From: Lvisson at aol.com (Lynn Visson)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:31:22 EST
Subject: Mednyj Vsadnik CD
Message-ID: <MON.29.NOV.1999.183122.EST.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

There's a deal on www.lexiconbridge.com where you can get a free CD of a
reading of Pushkin's "Mednyi vsadnik" with some of the orders there... might
be of interest to students, etc.


From vvs3q at virginia.edu  Tue Nov 30 17:48:03 1999
From: vvs3q at virginia.edu (Vika Sevastianova)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:48:03 -0800
Subject: AAASS 2000 - Petrushevskaia panel
Message-ID: <TUE.30.NOV.1999.094803.0800.>

Dear all,

I am working on elements of fantastic and supernatural in
Petrushevskaia's short fiction and I am looking for a panel to join for
the next year's AAASS.

If you know of a panel on Petrushevskaia or on fantastic/supernatural in
contemporary Russian lit, OR if you're interested in joining such a
panel (I can put one together if I get enough presenters), please e-mail
me at vvs3q at virginia.edu.

Thank you very much,

Victoria Sevastianova
Dept. of Slavic Languages and Literatures
University of Virginia


From james.partridge at st-edmund-hall.oxford.ac.uk  Tue Nov 30 15:31:35 1999
From: james.partridge at st-edmund-hall.oxford.ac.uk (James Partridge)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 10:31:35 EST
Subject: Critique of Keane's biography of Havel
Message-ID: <TUE.30.NOV.1999.103135.EST.>

For anyone who is interested, Kieran Williams (SSEES, London) has written a
powerful critique of John Keane's new book on Vaclav Havel; the review is
published in today's (Monday 29 November) Central Europe Review:
http://www.ce-review.org

James Partridge
St Edmund Hall
Oxford


From ludwig1 at ux1.cso.uiuc.edu  Tue Nov 30 15:30:03 1999
From: ludwig1 at ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (ludwig jonathan)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:30:03 -0600
Subject: AAASS Panel
Message-ID: <TUE.30.NOV.1999.093003.0600.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I'm posting this for a colleague not on the list. Please respond directly
to him at the address at the end of the message. Thanks!
______________________________________________________________

AAASS Panel (Denver 2000): Looking to fill the final
spot on a panel devoted to "Technology and Science in Russian
Culture and the Arts" for next year's AAASS National Conference.
Prospective papers may concern any aspect of science or
technology in relation to painting, music, literature, etc. in
the Imperial Russian or Soviet periods. Individuals interested in
participating as either panelist or commentator should contact
Prof. Scott Palmer at: sw-palmer at wiu.edu  before December 5th.



At 09:59 PM 11/29/99 -0600, you wrote:
>
>Scott,
>
>Send me a brief e-mail ad, and I'll post it to SEELangs, the Slavic lang
>and lit listserve tomorrow--just a list of parameters of what the paper
>should include.
>
>I'll also ask Richard for suggestions as he knows far more people in the
>field than I at this point and knows who works on what. If necessary, and
>if you have no one else, I could probably get him to chair. I know he'll
>be there. Just let me know.
>
>jonathan
>
>
>


From beyer at jaguar.middlebury.edu  Tue Nov 30 17:02:55 1999
From: beyer at jaguar.middlebury.edu (Beyer, Tom)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 12:02:55 -0500
Subject: subscribing
Message-ID: <TUE.30.NOV.1999.120255.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

I have long since forgotten how to subscribe to SEELANGS-but a friend would
like to join. Help anyone!


From dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu  Tue Nov 30 23:21:25 1999
From: dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu (Devin P Browne)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 18:21:25 -0500
Subject: ISO info about Michajlovska, Russia? (fwd)
Message-ID: <TUE.30.NOV.1999.182125.0500.SEELANGS@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>

If you have any information for this person, please respond directly to
their email address (nathalie.grochowski at cgrs.mibz.fgov.be).

Devin P Browne

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'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

Brussels, 30.11.99

From: Nathalie GROCHOWSKI <nathalie.grochowski at cgrs.mibz.fgov.be>

PURPOSE: Information request about the mayor of Michajlovka, Russia

Dear Madam, Dear Sir,

The office of the Commissioner General for Refugees and Stateless
Persons (CGRA/CGVS) is an independent administrative authority
operating on behalf of the Ministry of the Interior, Belgium.  Its
main competence is the examination on the merits of the requests of
asylum seekers to be granted the status of refugee in Belgium.

I would be very grateful if any CivilSoc list member could provide me
with answers to the following questions:

1. Who is the present mayor of the town Michajlovka, in the JANATOV
district? (Unfortunatly, we don't know exactly where this town is
located, near Frolov or Aktyubinsk?)

2. Do you know if this person is member of a political party? If so,
which party?

3. When was he elected and put in office?

4. Were the elections for mayor round about 20.11.98?

5. Do you know the name of the previous mayor?

I can't see any objection for you to answer me in Russian (if so, only by
letter, not by e-mail).

Thank you in advance for your kind cooperation.

Best regards,

Nathalie Grochowski
Assistant advisor
Documentation team
Commissioner General for Refugees and Stateless
Persons (CGRA/CGVS)
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1000 BRUSSELS
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From simplify3 at JUNO.COM  Sun Nov  7 00:17:45 1999
From: simplify3 at JUNO.COM (Kenneth E Udut)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 19:17:45 -0500
Subject: What makes up a Russian noun is like a candle flame...
Message-ID: <SAT.6.NOV.1999.191745.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Oh Tsuji, many of those most common of things are
automated in my head.  Not all common phrases, undoubtedly
there's probably hundreds of handy little phrases that
start/end conversations, help conversations continue, common
dialogs/typical conversations, etc, and I'm still learning
them.

But I can't work on just one thing at one time.  I switch
around a lot.  I do 1/2 hr of reading something in Russian
that is beyond my full understanding twice a day.  [and it
helps my understanding].  Before work, and after work.
During the day, I have index cards with either a root or
morpheme on it, or a few vocabulary words I want to learn
that day, which I refer to on off times.  There's things
that I read that I *do* understand (70-80% perhaps),
like a copy of the Bible in Russian, for example.
There's tapes with dialogs that I drag out and listen to
while checking e-mail.  A Russian friend has been sending
me a production of The Hobbit, in Russian, that he records
from a Russian radio station in RealAudio format.

So, it's not a stepwise process for me.

And I don't think linguists or teachers have found the perfect
step-wise process for learning a language.

Sometimes I'll diagram a sentence.  Or study a list
of prepositions in a particular case, and write
sentences.  Or I'll attempt to write a few lines of
poetry in Russian.  Or a short dialog.  I have a book
on American Sign Language - sometimes I'll open it up
and learn the sign for a word in English, then say the
word in Russian along with the signing a few times
until it 'clicks in'.

Sometimes I'll take a huge list of Russian words and organize
them by their endings.  Or I'll repeat along with something
audio in Russian, speaking a moment after the speaker speaks.
Or I'll go into one of several teach-yourself-Russian type
courses.  [Language Bridge and PowerGlide are my favorites,
but I also have others].

One day, I took all of the potential common endings for
nouns, all the pronouns and prepositions in each case, and
put together a flowchart that I could stick on
my wall.  It ended up being 6 feet tall and 4 feet wide,
and I only managed to cover *3* of the cases, and the print type
was very very tiny.

So, you have nothing to worry about.  I'm surprised how
concerned y'all are that I'm looking into grammar!

Thanks for listening to my ramble!


On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 10:58:04 +0900 Yoshimasa Tsuji
<yamato at YT.CACHE.WASEDA.AC.JP> writes:
> Hello Kenneth,
>   You don't need to worry about grammar unless you have a special
> need to speak/write as if you were an educated Russian. For the
> overwhelming majority of people what counts is memorizing
> useful expressions like (hello, thank you, please, give me a hand,
> etc.).
> Usage comes first, the definition and grammar come later.
>   They teach you case/gender/number etc. from the very first perhaps
> because they assume that you are well educated and comfortable with
> those categories: e.g. you learnt Classic Greek in an exclusive
> kindergarten.
>
> Cheers,
> Tsuji

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From simplify3 at JUNO.COM  Sun Nov  7 00:05:03 1999
From: simplify3 at JUNO.COM (Kenneth E Udut)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 19:05:03 -0500
Subject: What makes up a Russian noun is like a candle flame...
Message-ID: <SAT.6.NOV.1999.190503.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Well, I'm trying a bit of everything.  I practice listening -
quite a bit in fact - Russian radio that's on the web, using
audio and videotapes, plus some cassettes that Russian friends have
made for me.

Speaking - well, I practice speaking along with the tapes,
and when I read, I don't read aloud *but* I do pronouce the words
as best I can, in my head.  The extensive reading seems to provide
the most help.

You see, there are some things that can be just accepted -
for example, that nouns have case, number and gender, and never don't
have these things.  Verbs have tenses, and 'person' (I don't know the
word for it - I, thou, he/she/it, we, you, them) and one or two other
things I think
that I haven't 'gotten' in my head yet.

And I accepted those things when I started learning Russian, but I knew
that something was missing in my understanding.  It all seemed disjointed
and unnecessary.

Then it 'clicked' in yesterday - that's what was so exciting to me.  I'm
finally able to accept these particulars about nouns, adjectives, the
things about the verbs - these assumptions that I just couldn't seem to
accept before on some level.

Now, I look at a noun (I keep using noun as an example) - the fact that
it has case, gender and number (and is sometimes made up of a
prefix/root/suffix) - is now a reality in my brain - it doesn't take any
extra thinking power.

Knowing how to match up the adjective and the noun in their particular
case, gender and number, is *1000%* easier now, you see.  It's not all
automated yet - but my mind seems to have crossed over a 'hump' - a
hurdle - a rough spot - that it's been unconsciously and consciously
struggling with.

Instead of looking at all of the individual parts - (sometimes I would be
reading along, word after word, sentence after sentence, paragraph after
paragraph, page after page - and a word would just *stop* me - *boom*.  I
couldn't move on.  It is a puzzle, an enigma, a challenge.

I'm going to put together some drawings to help explain what it 'is' that

finally 'clicked' in.  Once they're done (and assuming I did them
correctly), I'll be able to put my mind at rest about these basic aspects
of grammar because now I'll have a mental representation of the MECHANICS
of Russian grammar, how each affects the other automatically, like gears.

It's really quite simple, and why it took a year to 'click in' - I don't
know.

-Kenneth

On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 00:12:44 +0200 Alex <as at TICOM.KHARKOV.UA> writes:
> Dear Kenneth!
>
> A five-year old Russian child has no idea about such things. And
> nevertheless it NEVER confuses gender, cases or prepositions.
> Except of some nasty mistakes borrowed from adults. This is because
> it never learns grammar BEFORE listening and then speaking and then,
> perhaps, reading!
> So if you want to be as close as possible to native speaking do not
> try
> to learn grammar before LISTENING, SPEAKING and then reading.
> Otherwise
> you are  going to learn Russian as long as I was learning English
> (over 40 years!) only to realize in the end that you were wrong
> from the very beginning!
>
> Regards
>
> Alex

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From simplify3 at JUNO.COM  Sun Nov  7 02:25:22 1999
From: simplify3 at JUNO.COM (Kenneth E Udut)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 21:25:22 -0500
Subject: Russian Grammar Wheels [http://members.aol.com/simplify3]
Message-ID: <SAT.6.NOV.1999.212522.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Hello again!

I had trouble explaining what I was talking about
earlier, as it is more of a visual idea.  So, I put
together a quick web page (my first webpage, actually -
it wasn't hard) this afternoon, with drawings to explain what
I was talking about.

Basically, what I am thinking about is all I could call as
Russian Grammar Wheels.  I'm just starting it - and it's a
project to help understanding for people like myself who like
visual and kinestetic things.  I would like to know if I'm on the
right track with this idea, out of my kilt, or what.

[all I know, is that once that image popped into my mind yesterday,
a lot of that stuff cleared up in my head - and maybe it'll clear up
for somebody else who is struggling with things that really aren't
all that difficult]

http://members.aol.com/simplify3

Please if you have a moment, to tell me if the Russian Grammar
Wheels idea is understandable, first of all, and second of all,
if it is understandable, is it useable - if for no other reason
than for a little printout to stick on the classroom (or home
study area) wall.

Thanks.

-Kenneth
simplify3 at aol.com, kenneth.udut at spcorp.com, simplify3 at juno.com

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From simplify3 at JUNO.COM  Sat Nov 13 16:56:47 1999
From: simplify3 at JUNO.COM (Kenneth E Udut)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 11:56:47 -0500
Subject: Many thanks for Ot Dvux Do pyati recommendation!!
Message-ID: <SAT.13.NOV.1999.115647.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELANGers,

Many thanks for the truly
unanimous recommendation
of Ot Dvux Do Pyati
several months back!!

And a very special thanks to
Alex Stratienko for sending me
a copy to the US from Ukraine!

It is exactly what I was hoping for.

Of course, the book as a whole is
beyond the full comprehension of
this forever-questioning student --
but if nothing else, at this point,
I can at least try to measure up
to the speech of 2-5 yr olds :-)

[no no - hang onto the quick private
reply button - I'm not going to imitate
their speech - just at a quick glance,
I can see that the sentences they use
ought not be imitated by a student of
the Russian language - but at the very
least, it will help keep me going,
knowing that your average 5 yr old
Russian child has a more extensive
vocabulary (and being able to peek at
the conversations in the book to
be sure) than I do :-)

Just glancing at the beginning,
seeing that a 2 yr old Russian child
has mastered gender agreement apparently
without a hitch, and seems to have
past tense down pat (I've only read
two-three pages so far, and only understand
perhaps 20-30% of the commentary/explanations,
which is as good as not understanding it at all) -
will help me try to, at the very least, keep
pace, or try not to lag behind too much!

Thanks again for the recommendation,
and again, and big thanks to Alex Stratienko for
sending it to me.

-Kenneth, a very happy student of Russian.
simplify3 at juno.com, kenneth.udut at spcorp.com

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