From dumanis at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU  Mon May  1 16:20:10 2000
From: dumanis at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU (Edward M Dumanis)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 12:20:10 -0400
Subject: 2 lines from a Russian poem
In-Reply-To: <2558349148.956041088@ehdup-u-61.rmt.net.pitt.edu>
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I hope that somebody will help me to recall what Russian poem contains the
following 2 lines:

"Est' zlo i dobro, ih boj neskonchajem.
My mesto svojo na Zemle zanimajem."

I would really appreciate it after I have failed to recall the source
myself.

Sincerely,

Edward Dumanis <dumanis at acsu.buffalo.edu>

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From sher07 at BELLSOUTH.NET  Mon May  1 20:01:08 2000
From: sher07 at BELLSOUTH.NET (Benjamin Sher)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 15:01:08 -0500
Subject: 2 lines from a Russian poem
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Dear Edward:

The two lines you quoted come from a poem by Korzhavin entitled "Po kom
zvonit kolokol" (1958). The poem is dedicated to Ernest Hemingway.

The precise text is as follows:

"Est' Zlo i Dobro. I ikh boi -- neskonchaem.
My mesto svoe na zemle zanimaem."

Credit goes to my wife Anna, who has been a life-long admirer of
Korzhavin's poetry.

Benjamin

--
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sher07 at bellsouth.net
Sher's Russian Web
http://www.websher.net

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From rondest+ at PITT.EDU  Mon May  1 19:53:43 2000
From: rondest+ at PITT.EDU (Karen Rondestvedt)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 15:53:43 -0400
Subject: Europe Printing Establishment Web site
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Dear Colleagues,

This morning I received a message from Herbert Francl
<francl at teleline.es>, alerting me to the Web catalog of Europe Printing
Establishment. Folks who have been around for a while will recognize
this firm as the one that has published reprints of Russian
scholarly works and primary sources, and is located in Vaduz,
Liechtenstein. The catalog includes not only their own reprints, but
also Mouton's and perhaps others. Mr. Francl has reduced the prices
considerably, he says, although he also says he's open to negotiation.

The address of the site is <http://www.reprints-russian-books.com/>.

This message is not an endorsement, only information. Please direct any
questions to Mr. Francl directly.

Karen

--
Karen Rondestvedt <rondest at pitt.edu>
Slavic Bibliographer
University of Pittsburgh
University Library System

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From jmdavis at FAS.HARVARD.EDU  Mon May  1 20:18:14 2000
From: jmdavis at FAS.HARVARD.EDU (Jolanta M. Davis)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 16:18:14 -0400
Subject: Query: Mak Dizdar
Message-ID: <MON.1.MAY.2000.161814.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

AAASS office just received a beautiful bilingual volume of poetry by Mehmed
Alija Dizdar with translations by Francis R. Jones. Does anyone know
anything about the translator?
thank you
Jolanta Davis
Jolanta M. Davis
Publications Coordinator
American Association for the Advancement of Slavic Studies (AAASS)
8 Story Street
Cambridge, MA 021238, USA
http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~aaass/

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From dpbrowne+ at PITT.EDU  Mon May  1 21:11:43 2000
From: dpbrowne+ at PITT.EDU (Devin Browne)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 17:11:43 -0400
Subject: FWD: Kyrgyz IREX Scholar Seeks 2-Week Internship
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From:  Patrick D. Gaffney <Patrick.D.Gaffney.1 at ND.EDU>

May 20 to June 5 Internship Sought--Funding Already Secured
'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

Arstan Kulnazarov seeks a short internship at a university or other
relevant institution or organization specializing in Central Asian
Studies.  Prof. Kulnazarov is an IREX visiting fellow, currently at
the Kroc Institute for International Peace Studies at the University
of Notre Dame.  He comes from Osh State University in Kyrghyzstan
where he is head of the Department of World Languages.

He is engaged in a project reseraching conflict resolution in Central
Asia with special attention to the Ferghana Valley.  He would like to
spend from May 20 til June 5 at this internship site.  His internship
would be supported by his IREX fellowship.

Please respond by email at this address: arstan-k at yahoo.com or by
phone at 219-631-7121.  For other information, you may also contact
Patrick Gaffney, Chair of the Department of Anthropology, University
of Notre Dame:  patrick.d.gaffney.1 at nd.edu or by phone at
219-631-5547.

Patrick D. Gaffney, CSC
Department of Anthropology
University of Notre Dame
314  O'Shaughnessy Hall
Notre Dame,  Indiana  46556
Tel. 219-631-5547
Fax: 219-631-4268

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From kcf19 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Mon May  1 21:33:46 2000
From: kcf19 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Robert Chandler)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 22:33:46 +0100
Subject: DZHAN
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Dear everyone,

First: thanks for the many helpful responses to my question about how to
translate: IKH DUSHA DAVNO RASSEYALAS'.  I think I may translate it as
THEIR SOUL GAVE OUT LONG AGO. Not 100% accurate, but the tone is right,
and it gets the idea of attrition, and I like the hint of GAVE UP.

Another question: can anyone give me some idea of the value of 300
roubles in the mid-thirties?

Best Wishes, Robert Chandler

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From kcf19 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Tue May  2 06:52:28 2000
From: kcf19 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Robert Chandler)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 07:52:28 +0100
Subject: Query: Mak Dizdar
Message-ID: <TUE.2.MAY.2000.075228.0100.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

If he is the man I am thinking of, I know  that his translations of Ivan
Lalic have been much praised.  I believe he lives in England, in
Newcastle-on-Tyne.  I might be wrong.

Robert Chandler

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From ewb2 at CORNELL.EDU  Tue May  2 11:44:25 2000
From: ewb2 at CORNELL.EDU (ewb2 at CORNELL.EDU)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 07:44:25 -0400
Subject: Query: Mak Dizdar
In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000501161629.00aee100@imap.fas.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.2.MAY.2000.074425.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

A few moments with a web search engine reveal that
he's a translator and
language-teaching specialist at:
The Language Centre
Newcastle University
Newcastle upon Tyne NE1 7RU
U.K.
tel: +44-191-222.7796 / 222.7535
Email: F.R.Jones at ncl.ac.uk
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/~ncrl1/pages/staff/francis_jones.html

Some of his translations and memoirs are in:
Chris Agee, ed., Scar on the Stone: Contemporary Poetry from Bosnia,
Newcastle upon Tyne: Bloodaxe Books 1998.
This book is available in the U.S. from: Dufour Editions,
Chester Springs, PA. 19425-0007, tel. (610)458-5005.


Now could I ask you for some further details about the Dizdar
book?

Yours,
Wayles Browne, Cornell U., ewb2 at cornell.edu

On Mon, 1 May 2000, Jolanta M. Davis wrote:

> AAASS office just received a beautiful bilingual volume of poetry by Mehmed
> Alija Dizdar with translations by Francis R. Jones. Does anyone know
> anything about the translator?
> thank you
> Jolanta Davis
> Jolanta M. Davis
> Publications Coordinator
> American Association for the Advancement of Slavic Studies (AAASS)
> 8 Story Street
> Cambridge, MA 021238, USA
> http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~aaass/
>
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From s_mccart at COLBY.EDU  Tue May  2 12:57:36 2000
From: s_mccart at COLBY.EDU (Sheila M. McCarthy)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 08:57:36 -0400
Subject: language technology position
Message-ID: <TUE.2.MAY.2000.085736.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Colleagues:

Colby College Information Technology Services has posted the attached job
description for a specialist in foreign language technologies.  Please
address inquiries to the Personnel Department, address given at the bottom
of the message.

Sheila M. McCarthy
Department of German and Russian
Colby College
Waterville, ME 04901
-------------- next part --------------

 Language Technology Consultant
Department: Information Technology Services

The Language Technology Consultant will provide instructional design
assistance and information technology support to the Colby community,
manage the College's Language Resource Center (LRC), offer workshops in
multi-media production and authoring with a special focus on the
integration of technology and language pedagogy, and work with faculty and
staff to provide instructional technology for the classroom environment.

Qualifications include: B.A., experience with current technologies,
digital video experience, HTML and Javascript, spreadsheet and database
applications, and other general computing tasks. Foreign language
classroom experience and/or interest in languages and language pedagogy
desirable.

Responsibilities include:
-Offer instructional design support for language-specific technology
projects including designing, building, and maintaining websites
-Provide technical support for a wide variety of multimedia web based
technology enhanced projects,  evaluating, installing, debugging, and
customizing hardware and software
-Supervise student monitors and manage the timely completion of tasks
assigned to the the LRC including  planning to meet projected needs for
language learning facilities
-Work with  individuals in academic departments to provide technical
support and advice to enable them to take advantage of current
technologies in their teaching, administrative and research activities.
-Interpret and convey technical information to language instructors and
other faculty, and to interpret and convey diverse faculty needs to
technical support personnel
- Liaison with other campus groups as needed.

Successful applicants must have a vision for the role of instructional
technology in higher education; leadership ability; ability to work
independently as well as cooperatively with a team; strong interpersonal
skills; excellent verbal and written communication skills; and excellent
organizational skills. Experience in directing or coordinating projects
involving the
use of technology-based materials in higher education is an asset.

Interested candidates should submit two copies of a cover letter and two
copies of a resume, including the names and telephone numbers of three
references to:

           Douglas C. Terp, Director of Personnel Services
           Colby College
           5500 Mayflower Hill
           Waterville, ME 04901-8855

A review of applications will begin immediately and continue until the
position is filled.
Colby is an EEO/AA employer and strongly encourages applications from
women and minorities.




From jmdavis at FAS.HARVARD.EDU  Tue May  2 13:47:53 2000
From: jmdavis at FAS.HARVARD.EDU (Jolanta M. Davis)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 09:47:53 -0400
Subject: Query: Mak Dizdar
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.91.1000502073609.17215A@travelers.mail.cornell. edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.2.MAY.2000.094753.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Thank you so much! Which search engine did you use if I may ask? My search
on Yahoo did not really bring anything interesting.

The book I mentioned "Kameni Spavac/Stone Sleeper" by Mehmed Alija (Mak)
Dizdar was published in 1999 by CID, Sarajevo, ISBN 9958-511-02-9, 253 pp.
Printed by Mladinska Knjiga, Ljubljana, Slovenija. It is a hardcover,
bilingual volume, with the original text on left hand pages and translation
of the verses by Francis R. Jones on the right. The afterword was written
by Rusmir Mahmutcehajic, where he says "Stone Sleeper tells about the
krstjani, the faithful of the schismatic mediaval Bosnian Church, who lie
waiting for the Day of Judgement beneath the white limestone tombs which,
singly or clustered in necropoles, still define the physical, cultural and
religious landscape of Bosnia . . ."

The volume arrived at AAASS a couple of days ago and the sender is listed as:
Bosnia and Herzegovina
City of Sarajevo
Mayor
Hamdije Kresevljakovica 3/1
71 000 Sarajevo

Overall it is a very nice book and very interesting poetry.  I'm sure it
would be very useful to teachers of South Slavic literatures.
Unfortunately, I'm not sure where one can get this book in America. Amazon,
Barnes&Noble, Harvard Bookstore, and Wordsworth do not list it.

Please let me know if you have any more questions.

Jolanta


At 07:44 AM 5/2/00 , you wrote:
>A few moments with a web search engine reveal that
>he's a translator and
>language-teaching specialist at:
>The Language Centre
>Newcastle University
>Newcastle upon Tyne NE1 7RU
>U.K.
>tel: +44-191-222.7796 / 222.7535
>Email: F.R.Jones at ncl.ac.uk
>http://www.ncl.ac.uk/~ncrl1/pages/staff/francis_jones.html
>
>Some of his translations and memoirs are in:
>Chris Agee, ed., Scar on the Stone: Contemporary Poetry from Bosnia,
>Newcastle upon Tyne: Bloodaxe Books 1998.
>This book is available in the U.S. from: Dufour Editions,
>Chester Springs, PA. 19425-0007, tel. (610)458-5005.
>
>
>Now could I ask you for some further details about the Dizdar
>book?
>
>Yours,
>Wayles Browne, Cornell U., ewb2 at cornell.edu
>
>On Mon, 1 May 2000, Jolanta M. Davis wrote:
>
> > AAASS office just received a beautiful bilingual volume of poetry by Mehmed
> > Alija Dizdar with translations by Francis R. Jones. Does anyone know
> > anything about the translator?
> > thank you
> > Jolanta Davis
> > Jolanta M. Davis
> > Publications Coordinator
> > American Association for the Advancement of Slavic Studies (AAASS)
> > 8 Story Street
> > Cambridge, MA 021238, USA
> > http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~aaass/
> >
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From ewb2 at CORNELL.EDU  Tue May  2 14:40:29 2000
From: ewb2 at CORNELL.EDU (Wayles Browne)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 10:40:29 -0400
Subject: Search engines (Re: Query: Mak Dizdar)
In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000502093152.00aebad0@imap.fas.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.2.MAY.2000.104029.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

>Thank you so much! Which search engine did you use if I may ask? My search
>on Yahoo did not really bring anything interesting.

This may be interesting for the list members--if not, please delete it.

I used the Google search engine: http://www.google.com
and typed in "Francis R. Jones" (between " " -- that means that we're
looking for that precise sequence).
A good feature of Google is that for every page it finds, it shows you
an excerpt from the text of that page in which your desired words are
highlighted, so that you can usually determine whether the page is
interesting before you actually open it.

Good hunting


Wayles Browne, Assoc. Prof. of Linguistics
Department of Linguistics
Morrill Hall 321, Cornell University
Ithaca, New York 14853, U.S.A.

tel. 607-255-0712 (o), 607-273-3009 (h)
fax 607-255-2044 (write FOR W. BROWNE)
e-mail ewb2 at cornell.edu

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From rondest+ at PITT.EDU  Tue May  2 16:02:24 2000
From: rondest+ at PITT.EDU (Karen Rondestvedt)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:02:24 -0400
Subject: Query: Mak Dizdar
Message-ID: <TUE.2.MAY.2000.120224.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Colleagues,

The book "Kameni Spavac/Stone Sleeper" by Mehmed Alija (Mak) Dizdar
should be available from:
        Dr. A. Kovac Sudostbuchhandel    (apologies for the lack of
diacritics)
        Elisabethstr. 22
        D-80796 Munchen
        Germany
        phone: (+49-89) 272 56 12
        fax: (+49-89) 271 65 94
        E-mail: kovac at knuut.de
This firm has a Web site <http://www.slavica-books.de/>, but there is
little there at the moment other than a logo, their address and their
old e-mail address. (The above is the new one.)

The firm almost certainly accepts credit cards, although I have nothing
written that says that.

Karen

--
Karen Rondestvedt <rondest at pitt.edu>
Slavic Bibliographer
University of Pittsburgh
University Library System

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From jwatts at miis.edu  Tue May  2 17:12:39 2000
From: jwatts at miis.edu (Jeanie Watts)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:12:39 EDT
Subject: Scholarships for advanced Russian study
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From jwatts at miis.edu  Tue May  2 23:22:07 2000
From: jwatts at miis.edu (Jeanie Watts)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 19:22:07 EDT
Subject: Scholarships for advanced Russian study (Take 2)
Message-ID: <TUE.2.MAY.2000.192207.EDT.JWATTS@MIIS.EDU>

Apparently not everyone was able to view this the first time.
Here it is again.

----------------------------Original message----------------------------

               SUMMER INTENSIVE LANGUAGE PROGRAM

                        ADVANCED RUSSIAN

             FULL AND PARTIAL TUITION SCHOLARSHIPS

        SUPPORTED BY THE SOCIAL SCIENCE RESEARCH COUNCIL


Funding is confirmed for summer 2000!  The Monterey Institute
of International Studies will offer some qualified Advanced Russian
students full or partial tuition scholarships.  Scholarships are
awarded on a competitive basis.  Application should be made by
May 15, 2000.  Notification will be made on or about May 22.

To apply you must be accepted into the Russian program of the
Summer Intensive Language Programs of the Monterey Institute and
provide us with the following information:

-  a letter requesting consideration for the scholarship with a
   statement on your plans for future study and use of Russian

-  transcripts showing your work in Russian to date, a minimum of
   six semesters of study are required, 3.0 average or better

-  a letter of recommendation from a teacher who can attest to your
   work in Russian language.

The Social Science Research Council guidelines for funding require
that applicants are not current or continuing Monterey Institute
graduate students.  Fall 2000 Monterey Institute admits are eligible
to apply.

Applications for the Russian program can be requested from and
materials in support of the scholarship application should be sent to:

Summer Session Office
Monterey Institute of International Studies
425 Van Buren, Monterey, California 93940
(831) 647-4168 Fax: (831) 647-3534 E-Mail: silp at miis.edu

Jeanie Watts
Program Manager
Custom Language Services
Monterey Institute of International Studies
(831) 647-4115
(831) 647-3534 FAX
Group Session Website: http://silp.miis.edu
Custom Program Website: http://cls.miis.edu

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From jmdavis at FAS.HARVARD.EDU  Thu May  4 15:47:59 2000
From: jmdavis at FAS.HARVARD.EDU (Jolanta M. Davis)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 11:47:59 -0400
Subject: Query: Russian & EE literary prizes
Message-ID: <THU.4.MAY.2000.114759.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I am looking for information on prestigious literary prizes awarded either
by the governments of Russia, Central Asia, and Central & Eastern Europe,
or by other, renowned literary organizations in these countries.
thank you in advance for your help


Jolanta M. Davis
Publications Coordinator
American Association for the Advancement of Slavic Studies (AAASS)
8 Story Street
Cambridge, MA 021238, USA
http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~aaass/

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From aadams at HOLYCROSS.EDU  Thu May  4 19:20:48 2000
From: aadams at HOLYCROSS.EDU (Amy Adams)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 15:20:48 -0400
Subject: Query: Russian & EE literary prizes
Message-ID: <THU.4.MAY.2000.152048.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

There is a Russian Booker Prize.

Amy Singleton Adams
Associate Professor of Russian
College of the Holy Cross
Worcester,MA 01610
aadams at holycross.edu

<<< jmdavis at FAS.HARVARD.EDU  5/ 4 11:55a >>>
I am looking for information on prestigious literary prizes awarded either
by the governments of Russia, Central Asia, and Central & Eastern Europe,
or by other, renowned literary organizations in these countries.
thank you in advance for your help


Jolanta M. Davis
Publications Coordinator
American Association for the Advancement of Slavic Studies (AAASS)
8 Story Street
Cambridge, MA 021238, USA
http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~aaass/

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From aadams at HOLYCROSS.EDU  Thu May  4 19:21:16 2000
From: aadams at HOLYCROSS.EDU (Amy Adams)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 15:21:16 -0400
Subject: Query: Russian & EE literary prizes
Message-ID: <THU.4.MAY.2000.152116.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

There is a Russian Booker Prize and, of course, the Pushkin Prize.

Amy Singleton Adams
Associate Professor of Russian
College of the Holy Cross
Worcester,MA 01610
aadams at holycross.edu

<<< jmdavis at FAS.HARVARD.EDU  5/ 4 11:55a >>>
I am looking for information on prestigious literary prizes awarded either
by the governments of Russia, Central Asia, and Central & Eastern Europe,
or by other, renowned literary organizations in these countries.
thank you in advance for your help


Jolanta M. Davis
Publications Coordinator
American Association for the Advancement of Slavic Studies (AAASS)
8 Story Street
Cambridge, MA 021238, USA
http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~aaass/

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From Katherine.Lahti at MAIL.TRINCOLL.EDU  Thu May  4 19:50:20 2000
From: Katherine.Lahti at MAIL.TRINCOLL.EDU (Katherine Lahti)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 15:50:20 -0400
Subject: Chocolate
Message-ID: <THU.4.MAY.2000.155020.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELANGS people,

As you can see my colleague in International Studies is soliciting ideas
for sources on chocolate in Russia. They can be in any field: literature
and the arts (both original pieces and studies of), studies in the fields
of economics, polticial science, cultural studies (naturally), and all the
rest.

It would probably be best for you to send your ideas directly to him:
Michael Niemann <michael.niemann at mail.trincoll.edu>

The only thing I can suggest to him is the history of the Krasnyj Oktjabr'
factory in Moscow. If anyone can direct me (or him) to such a history (in
English), that would be great. I  know a Soviet documentary was made of the
factory. Any ideas on where that might be?

I'm going to Moscow in June and may be able to a little work on this then.

Best regards,
Katherine


>User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022
>Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 09:07:43 -0400
>Subject: Chocolate
>From: Michael Niemann <michael.niemann at mail.trincoll.edu>
>To: <katherine.lahti>
>Mime-version: 1.0
>
>
>Dear Colleagues:
>
>As you all probably know, I will teach the International Studies core course
>INTS300 in the Fall.  The title of the course is Cocoa and Chocolate from a
>Global Perspective.  I intend to cover the production, distribution and
>consumption of cocoa and chocolate from as broad an angle as possible and
>want to ask you if you have references to any works which might fit into
>this class.  I am particularly interested in the consumption issues in the
>broadest sense, i.e., the use of chocolate in advertising and the cultural
>meanings and functions ascribed to chocolate in different parts of the
>world.
>
>Thanks for you help.
>
>Michael
>


Katherine Lahti, Associate Professor        tel.: (860) 297-2378
Department of Modern Languages                         fax.: (860) 297-5111
Trinity College                 http://www.trincoll.edu/~lahti/
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From jmdavis at FAS.HARVARD.EDU  Thu May  4 19:53:18 2000
From: jmdavis at FAS.HARVARD.EDU (Jolanta M. Davis)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 15:53:18 -0400
Subject: Query: Russian & EE literary prizes
In-Reply-To: <s911957b.070@dudley.holycross.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.4.MAY.2000.155318.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Thank you. Do you happen to know if any web site lists the winners of these
prizes for the past few years?
Jolanta Davis

At 03:21 PM 5/4/00 , you wrote:
>There is a Russian Booker Prize and, of course, the Pushkin Prize.
>
>Amy Singleton Adams
>Associate Professor of Russian
>College of the Holy Cross
>Worcester,MA 01610
>aadams at holycross.edu
>
><<< jmdavis at FAS.HARVARD.EDU  5/ 4 11:55a >>>
>I am looking for information on prestigious literary prizes awarded either
>by the governments of Russia, Central Asia, and Central & Eastern Europe,
>or by other, renowned literary organizations in these countries.
>thank you in advance for your help
>
>
>Jolanta M. Davis
>Publications Coordinator
>American Association for the Advancement of Slavic Studies (AAASS)
>8 Story Street
>Cambridge, MA 021238, USA
>http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~aaass/
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From jschill at AMERICAN.EDU  Thu May  4 21:25:40 2000
From: jschill at AMERICAN.EDU (John Schillinger)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 17:25:40 -0400
Subject: Ukrainian-English Dictionary
Message-ID: <THU.4.MAY.2000.172540.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

One of my students has been assigned to Ukraine with the Peace Corps and
is asking advice on choosing a good Ukrainian-English and
Ukrainian-Russian dictionary.  Can anyone help me with a sound choice or
two?   Thank!  John Schilllinger  <jschill at american.edu>

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From bougakov at MAIL.RU  Fri May  5 08:05:28 2000
From: bougakov at MAIL.RU (Alexandre Bougakov)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 12:05:28 +0400
Subject: Query: Russian & EE literary prizes
Message-ID: <FRI.5.MAY.2000.120528.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Hi, Jolanta

There are also "Andrey Belyj Price" - "Премия Андрея Белого", "Appollon 
Grigoriev price" - "Премия Апполлона Григорьева"

Try to search words "Букер", "Букеровская премия" etc using www.Yandex.ru 
search engine - it is highly recommended for all people who are interested 
in the russian websites. Yandex found more than one thousand pages 
containing the word "Booker" and lots of sites related to the the 
literature.

Very interesting are www.russ.ru (highly recommended for all 
SEELANGers!!!!!!), www.vavilon.ru, 
http://agama.ru/koi/r_club/journals/inostran/, 
http://ng.glasnet.ru/exlibris/ and http://ng.ru/culture/. Try them, maybe 
you will find something interesting.

Sincerely yours,
Alexandre Bougakov <mailto:bougakov at mail.ru>
Student of the sociological faculty of the Higher School of Economics 
(http://www.hse.ru), Moscow, Russian Federation
My website is http://SocioLink.narod.ru/ (thousands of sociology related 
links on the Web)
My PGP key ID is 0x97F20C99, Key Fingerprint is C83C 5998 F43A BEB7 70DF 
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From AHRJJ at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU  Fri May  5 08:28:51 2000
From: AHRJJ at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (Alex Rudd)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 04:28:51 EDT
Subject: SEELANGS Administrivia - (was Re:Query: Russian & EE literary
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On Fri, 5 May 2000 12:05:28 +0400 Alexandre Bougakov said:
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From gust.olson at UALBERTA.CA  Fri May  5 20:51:43 2000
From: gust.olson at UALBERTA.CA (Gust Olson)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 14:51:43 -0600
Subject: "Cultural Studies" in translation
Message-ID: <FRI.5.MAY.2000.145143.0600.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Colleagues,

Our department, Modern Languages and Cultural Studies, has asked the
Visibility Committee to come up with translations of the name into the 11
different languages we (officially) teach. Can anyone help with the Russian
and Ukrainian versions of "Cultural Studies"? We've looked at several
possibilities, but none sounds quite right.



Gust Olson, PhD
Assistant Editor
Canadian Slavonic Papers/
Revue canadienne des slavistes
200 Arts Building
University of Alberta
Edmonton  AB  T6G 2E6
CANADA

tel: 780-492-2566
fax: 780-492-9106
e-mail: gust.olson at ualberta.ca

Canadian Slavonic Papers' URL:
http://www.ualberta.ca/~csp

Canadian Association of Slavists' URL:
http://www.utoronto.ca/slavic/cas


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From alexush at PAONLINE.COM  Fri May  5 21:05:41 2000
From: alexush at PAONLINE.COM (Alexander Ushakov)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 17:05:41 -0400
Subject: "Cultural Studies" in translation
Message-ID: <FRI.5.MAY.2000.170541.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Issledovaniya v kulturnoy sfierie (v sfierie, v oblasti kultury)

Doslidzhennia v haluzi kultury (v kulturniy haluzi).

HTH

Alex Ushakov, technical translator
Russian, Ukrainian, Polish

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gust Olson" <gust.olson at UALBERTA.CA>
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Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 4:51 PM
Subject: "Cultural Studies" in translation


> Dear Colleagues,
> 
> Our department, Modern Languages and Cultural Studies, has asked the
> Visibility Committee to come up with translations of the name into the 11
> different languages we (officially) teach. Can anyone help with the Russian
> and Ukrainian versions of "Cultural Studies"? We've looked at several
> possibilities, but none sounds quite right.
> 
> 
> 
> Gust Olson, PhD
> Assistant Editor
> Canadian Slavonic Papers/
> Revue canadienne des slavistes
> 200 Arts Building
> University of Alberta
> Edmonton  AB  T6G 2E6
> CANADA
> 
> tel: 780-492-2566
> fax: 780-492-9106
> e-mail: gust.olson at ualberta.ca
> 
> Canadian Slavonic Papers' URL:
> http://www.ualberta.ca/~csp
> 
> Canadian Association of Slavists' URL:
> http://www.utoronto.ca/slavic/cas
> 
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From eginzbur at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Fri May  5 21:12:45 2000
From: eginzbur at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (elizabeth ginzburg)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 16:12:45 -0500
Subject: "Cultural Studies" in translation
Message-ID: <FRI.5.MAY.2000.161245.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

How about the following?
Izuchenie kul'tury, kul'turologiia (yjthouhj
though the term does exist in a slightly different meaning), and, finally,
kul'turovedenie, or Izuchenie protsessov kul'tury?
Elizabeth Ginzburg

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From p0s5658 at ACS.TAMU.EDU  Fri May  5 21:01:24 2000
From: p0s5658 at ACS.TAMU.EDU (Pavel Samsonov)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 16:01:24 -0500
Subject: "Cultural Studies" in translation
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With compliments,

Pavel (Paul) Samsonov
EDAD, College of Education,
Texas A&M University
tel. (409) 862-7771 (lab)
      (409) 862-9152 (home)
fax (409) 862-4347
e-mail p0s5658 at acs.tamu.edu
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Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 3:51 PM
Subject: "Cultural Studies" in translation


> Dear Colleagues,
>
> Our department, Modern Languages and Cultural Studies, has asked the
> Visibility Committee to come up with translations of the name into the 11
> different languages we (officially) teach. Can anyone help with the
Russian
> and Ukrainian versions of "Cultural Studies"? We've looked at several
> possibilities, but none sounds quite right.
>
>
>
> Gust Olson, PhD
> Assistant Editor
> Canadian Slavonic Papers/
> Revue canadienne des slavistes
> 200 Arts Building
> University of Alberta
> Edmonton  AB  T6G 2E6
> CANADA
>
> tel: 780-492-2566
> fax: 780-492-9106
> e-mail: gust.olson at ualberta.ca
>
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> http://www.ualberta.ca/~csp
>
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> http://www.utoronto.ca/slavic/cas
>
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From asred at HOME.COM  Fri May  5 21:08:51 2000
From: asred at HOME.COM (Steve Marder)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 17:08:51 -0400
Subject: "Cultural Studies" in translation
Message-ID: <FRI.5.MAY.2000.170851.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Gust Olson wrote:
> Can anyone help with the Russian
> and Ukrainian versions of "Cultural Studies"?

As far as the Russian version is concerned, what about "kul'turologiya"
or "kul'turologicheskie izyskaniya"?

Steve Marder

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From rv5s-ptrs at ASAHI-NET.OR.JP  Sat May  6 02:02:02 2000
From: rv5s-ptrs at ASAHI-NET.OR.JP (Scott Petersen)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 11:02:02 +0900
Subject: Khrushchev's bury remark
In-Reply-To: <v01540b01b538e3e1452e@[129.128.96.89]>
Message-ID: <SAT.6.MAY.2000.110202.0900.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Can anyone with this?

I have seen many times that Khrushchev's remark that the Soviet Union would
bury the West was a mistranslation; that he actually said that the SU would
be at the grave of the West, i.e. would outlive the West. Lynn Visson gives
the Russian as "my vas poxoronim" (_From Russian into English_, Ardis
Press).

Is there anywhere that gives more details about this incident? A fuller
quote? The context in which it was said?

TIA.

Scott Petersen

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From as at TICOM.KHARKOV.UA  Sat May  6 08:09:33 2000
From: as at TICOM.KHARKOV.UA (Alex)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 11:09:33 +0300
Subject: "Cultural Studies" in translation
Message-ID: <SAT.6.MAY.2000.110933.0300.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

> Our department, Modern Languages and Cultural Studies, has asked the
> Visibility Committee to come up with translations of the name into the 11
> different languages we (officially) teach. Can anyone help with the Russian
> and Ukrainian versions of "Cultural Studies"? We've looked at several
> possibilities, but none sounds quite right.

Dear Gust,

Could you give me some background of your department and short description
of the studies?

With respect

Alex (Ukraine, <as at ticom.kharkov.ua>, <itl1033 at online.kharkov.ua>)

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From eginzbur at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Sat May  6 13:09:23 2000
From: eginzbur at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (elizabeth ginzburg)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 08:09:23 -0500
Subject: "Cultural Studies" in translation
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Marianna Davydovna,
ia dumaiu, chto vse vashi dovody sovershenno pravil'nye.
Poskol'ku Vitia, vidimo, sam vam uzhe otvr
etil=otvetil, to vse v poriadke,
xorosho, chto vy soglasny pereezzhat' s mesta na mesto, i ochen' xorosho
vy sami xoteli by ustanovit' datu.
ia dumaiu, chto vitya vvedet vas v kurs nashix problem, xotya emu etogo pochemu-to ne xochetsia.

Ia polnostiiu soglasna, chto vash priezd bez viti sovershenno ne problema-
delo v tom, chto vashi veschi v liubom sluchae ne vlezli by  m moiu mashinu -
ona mala i dli a polopviny iz nix.
Tak chto sobstvenno PRILET i PRIEZD ia vizhu tak:
vy priletaete, berete bagazh i
sadites' ta  taxi -limuzin (eto mashina vtroe dlinnei moei.
Esli pri etom okazhus' ia - xorosho, no glavnoe - eto vstretit' vas i vpustit' v kvartiru.
Delo v tom, chto ia nadeius' rabotat', nachinaia
s sentiabria, na vtoroi rabote - daleko ot doma, gde ia poka rabotaiu,
i raspisaniia net.
No, vpolne vozmozhno, chto ia i vstrechu.
Dalee, xotelos' by utochnit', chto kvartiryyu VYBIRAT" ili PODYSKIVAT"
vy ne smozhete: doexat' ot Down-Towna  do nas mozhno,
 i dazhe na avtobuse, no
eto NEIZBEZHNO trebuet soprovozhdeniia.

Vitia bezumno zaniat seichas, no vchera, posle vashego pis'ma, ia predlozhila emu sdelat'
sleduiuschee:
on edet  tuda, gde dumaet, chto vam nado zhit' -
ischet podxodiaschee mesto, daet zadatok i dogovarivaetsia na 1 sentiabria.
A ia oplachivaiu 10 avgusta polnost'iu.


Variant pozhit
 u nas vsem vmeste sovershenno dlia menia ne problema, i ne problema sovmestimosti.
Eto vopros Vitinogo komforta, o kotorom on vam skazhet priamo, esli ego sprosite.

Vop[ros pereezda ot nas na tu kvartiru, kotoraia neizbezhno poiavitsia tak ili inache - lichno dlia menia - eto vopros tol'ko vse togo- zhe dlinnogo limuzina.
Eto budet stoit' ne bolee 50 dollarov.
Vop[ros polucheniia vami posobiia - eto to, chem  nnado budet zanimat'sia
ser'ezno, tak ka eto den'gi ne na 1 mesiats, a peremenit
 to, chto oni napishut, budet mnogo slozhnei.
Ne govoria o moix sobstbvennyx roditeliax, napominaiu, chto u menia budet rabota gorazdo bolee napriazhennaia, chrem  u viti byvala
v etoi strane kogda-libo:
w
eto 40 uchenikov i 4o tetradei i lektsii, i vse eto daleko ot doma. Znaiu, tak ka imenno tak seichas
i rabotauy.
A s oktiabria nachnu rabotat' v 2 mestax.


Ia uverena, odnako, chto esli vam udastsia ss vitei priiti k soglasheniiu, cjto vashi 750
dollarov, kotorye vy poluchite 1 oktiabra vmesto 1 noiabria, ili, dazhe,
1 noiabria vmesto 1 dekabria, pokazhutsia emu vazhnee, chrem prochie obstoiatel'st-l'stva, to reshat' eto dolzhen on.
eto vse reshaet tol'ko on.
Kak pomnite, moi pervyi variant byl takov:
vy vse priezzhaete v 1 den' odnim reisom. ia vas vsex 1 raz vstrechaiu
i dovozhu, 1 raz
edu s vami smotret' kvartiru, i raz v XIAS.
eto variant, predlozhennyi mnoi ( i vozmozhnyi tol'ko do serediny avgusta)
xorosh, po-moemyu i teper', osobenno, uchityvaia, chto Vitia do 10 avgusta v moskve,
i smofg by elementarno vam pomoch'.

esli by vy ego priniali -
my organizuem (my eto ia, no budem schitat' my) sumki, spal'nye mesta, a vy -
upakovku v srok i minimum stressa do ot''ezda.
togda i zdes' vse proidet gldako - komnat dostatochno, vannyx tozhe, i Vitia
priedet k momentu resheniia poloviny vsex problem.

Ne tyanite, esli vas ustraivaet, to my dostanem na chem spat', a Vitya sam s''ezdit i dogovorit'sia o kvartirax priamo poslezavtra.

Teper' o finansax.
Ia uverena, chto vy ne somnevaetes' v tom, chto Vitia vsegda budet sledit' za tem, chtoby
vy ne nuzhdalis'.
Edinstvennoe, chego on ne sumeet - eto vydat' vam kak on nadeialsia,vsiu summu srazu,
v razmere 15000, po 2 prichinam:
vydat' emu budet nechego, tak kak on sobiraetsia poluchennye chudom (i , ia znaiu,
v priny
v printsipe VASHI po nashemu soglasheniiu, v buduschem, den'gi)potratit' na  nashu kvartiru:
eto potrebuet 12000, o chem nas uvedomil managment 3 dnia nazad.

Iz ostavshixsia, o chem, nadeius', vy ot Viti znaete, 1 tysiachu on beret
i otdaet v XIAS, a XIAS etu zhe summu svoimi
rukami (takova protsedura_) vam vozvraschaet, i ona u vas v rukax: 996 dollarov.
vashi bilety takzhe budut oplacheny 1 iz 2 putei:
libo v rassrochku za 648dollarov plus nalog na 3 goda u XIASA=MOMA, libo za 516
kazhdyi bilet kupim MY, a vy budete znat' o tom, chto v prinysipe eto uidet iz tex obeschannyx 15 tysiach, kotorye est' u nas v ume, no na bumage budut ,
we
esli Vitia reshit tak.
No volnovat'sia ne o chem, i vot pochemu.
V liubom sluchae, poli
uchenie deneg proxodit cherez Vitiu dlia vas:
u vas ne mozhet byt' scheta.
Poetomu on, kak i obeschal, ezhemesiachno budet vam davat' to, chto vy skazhete, no
no pri etom Protsent s etoi summy xotelos' by schitat' nashim.
To est', liubaia summa, vziataia vami vprok i ne potrachennaia lishaet NAS
 etogo protsenta, kotoryi okolo 6 v god.
A nalog s etoi zhe summy - priblizitel'no 400 $ v god minimum.
Ia ne dumaua, chto vam sleduet v eto vnikat', no poskol'ku reshaet i budet prodolzhat'
reshat' finansovye voprosy VItya, to v vashix interesax poverit,
chto esli emu VYGODNEE, chtoby vy priexali 20, spoterei chego-to tam, to eto ne obsuzhdaetsia
nikem, v tom chisle i mnoi.
A poskol'ku ego komfort v Chicago - ne v moskve - na 1 meste, i eto ego glavnaia VYGODA,
a vtoraia ego  (ne menee vazhnaia vygoda) - vashe udobstvo i zdorov'e, to predostacv'te emu
spokoinio delat' to, chto emu predstavliaetsia pravil'nym.
Povtoriaiu, chto emu i ran'she ne nravilsia variant, chtob
vy priexali bez nego.
Ia k etomu prisoediniaius'.
Poshlite emu tu datu, chto byla v pis'me: chto, mol, vy poeriaete grazhdanstvo, esli ne v''edete
do kakogo-to chisla.
Esli vam sovetuiut pribyt' za 1-2 nedeli, to eto dlia posobiia vazhno.
No,poschitav, skol'ko budet zdes' trat s ;priezdom 11 sentiabria, vkliuchaia
vashi poezdki tuda, kuda ia ne smogu vas dovezti, vy by obnaruzhili, chto
igra ne stoit svech.

Vash sovet po povodu spektaklia "A dal'she - tishina" schitaiu shutkoi:
U menia rabota kazhdyi den' plius formatirovanie dissertatsii k sroku 12 maia
plius Misha s ego problemami plius VASHI chemodany, kotoryx mnogo, kotorye
prixoditsia ne tol'ko prosit
, no i privozit' i xranit', plius moe zdorov'e, kotoroe poshatnulos' v poslednee vremia.
Poetomu tratit'
 vremia na perepisku , k sozhaleniiu, ne sumeiu.
Esli ot menia trebuetsia peredat' vite vashe pis'mo, to ia eto sdelaiu.
Davit' na nego ne mogu, no vygody ego popytalas' vam ob''iasnit'.
Liza

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From eginzbur at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Sat May  6 13:36:10 2000
From: eginzbur at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (elizabeth ginzburg)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 08:36:10 -0500
Subject: "Cultural Studies" in translation
Message-ID: <SAT.6.MAY.2000.083610.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Please, ignore a letter sent by mistake, starting Dorogaia Marianna.
Sorry about that.
Liza
Ginzburg

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From a.jameson at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Sat May  6 17:37:10 2000
From: a.jameson at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Andrew Jameson)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 18:37:10 +0100
Subject: Khrushchev's bury remark
Message-ID: <SAT.6.MAY.2000.183710.0100.>

Dushenko, Slovar' Sovr. Tsitat, M., Agraf, 1997 says:

s.387, X No. 90
90 *My vas zakopaem.
Iz besedy Khrushcheva s amerikanskimi diplomatami 18 noyab. 1956
na prieme v Moskve v chest' V. Gomulki; povtoreno na odnoi iz vstrech
s zhurnalistami v SShA v sent. 1959. V "Oksfordskom slovare
sovremennykh tsitat" (1991) delaetsya ssylka na "Times" ot 19 noyab.
1956; no, soglasno "Slovaryu khodyachikh tsitat Bartleta" (1992), takogo
vyskazyvaniya v "Times" ne bylo.
Veroyatno, "My vas zakopaem" - obratnyi perevod s angliiskogo frazy
"We will bury you" ("My vas pokhoronim"). Khrushchev, vprochem, govoril
i o "zakapyvanii" kapitalizma: "Kak govorili krasnoarmeitsy vo vremya
grazhdanskoi voiny: s belymi u nas odin spornyi vopros (...) - eto zemel'nyi
vopros (...) Kto kogo zakopaet ran'she (...) U nas s kapitalizmom takoi
zhe vopros" (rech' na plenume TsK 21 iyunya 1963).

*(zvezdochka) - tsitata poluchila izvestnost' v "nepravil'noi" forme.

Andrew Jameson
Chair, Russian Committee, ALL
Languages and Professional Development
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From: Scott Petersen <rv5s-ptrs at ASAHI-NET.OR.JP>
To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Khrushchev's bury remark
Date: 06 May 2000 03:02

Can anyone with this?

I have seen many times that Khrushchev's remark that the Soviet Union would
bury the West was a mistranslation; that he actually said that the SU would
be at the grave of the West, i.e. would outlive the West. Lynn Visson gives
the Russian as "my vas poxoronim" (_From Russian into English_, Ardis
Press).

Is there anywhere that gives more details about this incident? A fuller
quote? The context in which it was said?

TIA.

Scott Petersen

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From edraitse at SHIVA.HUNTER.CUNY.EDU  Sat May  6 21:19:02 2000
From: edraitse at SHIVA.HUNTER.CUNY.EDU (edraitse@shiva.hunter.cuny.edu)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 17:19:02 -0400
Subject: Russian-English Dcitionary on CD
Message-ID: <SAT.6.MAY.2000.171902.0400.>

Dear SEELANGERS:

Does anybody know about (could anyone recommend) a good Russian-English dictionary on CD (of Oxford-like level of sophistication)? If not, are there on-line reliable dictionaries of this sort?

Thank you in advance for any suggestion.

Emil Draitser




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From SusanMVA at MSN.COM  Sat May  6 23:06:50 2000
From: SusanMVA at MSN.COM (Susan)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 19:06:50 -0400
Subject: "Cultural Studies" in translation
Message-ID: <SAT.6.MAY.2000.190650.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Cultural study = culturologicheskie issledovaniya,
culturologiya.

The term "culturologiya" appeared relatively recently. Before researchers used the term "theory of culture". 

See, for example, A.Arnoldov's study books. In 70s-80s they had titles "Theory of Culture", but  in 90s the new term appeared: A.Arnoldov, S. Matveyeva. (1995)   Basic topics of Culturology. Study program,  plan of subjects,    recommended literature for graduate and postgraduate students. Moscow:   Moscow State University of Culture. Arnoldov A.I. (1993) Introduction    to Culturology. Moscow, Academia of folk culture and human values;   Urgent Problems of  Culturology. (1993) Moscow: Russian Academy of Management;      Current Problems of Culturological Education (1993) Moscow, Institute of Philosophy Russian Academy of Sciences;  Moscow State Institute of Culture.

See also some university department names - Moscow State University of Culture,  Department  "Ethics, Aesthetics and Theory of Culture". Institute of Philosophy  for  Russian Academy of Science had department "Philosophskie issledovaniya of Culture" in 80s. It  was renamed into "Philosophy of Culture" in 1991. 

The significant trend in Cultural Study is "socioculturnie issledovaniya". See, for example, A.S.Akhiyezer. (1998) Russia:  Critique  of Historical Experience. Vol.2. Sociocultural dictionary.   Novosibirsk, Sibirsky Khronograf. 
                                                                     
S.Matveyeva,
Ph.D. 
SusanMVA at msn.com


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> Dear Colleagues,
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> possibilities, but none sounds quite right.
> 
> 
> 
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From Lvisson at AOL.COM  Sun May  7 02:54:21 2000
From: Lvisson at AOL.COM (Lvisson at AOL.COM)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 22:54:21 EDT
Subject: Khrushchev's bury remark
Message-ID: <SAT.6.MAY.2000.225421.EDT.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Glad this subject came up...See also Sukhodrev's memoir, "Yazyk moi, vrag
moi."  This incident was written about on numerous occasions, and is a superb
example of mistranslation with disastrous consequences:  "My vas pokhoronim,"
as Khrushchev said, did not mean "We will bury you - " i.e. do you in, kill
you, but rather "We will survive you, be present at your funeral.
L. Visson

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From Alexander.Boguslawski at ROLLINS.EDU  Sun May  7 04:33:09 2000
From: Alexander.Boguslawski at ROLLINS.EDU (Alexander.Boguslawski at ROLLINS.EDU)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 23:33:09 -0500
Subject: "Cultural Studies" in translation
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How about "kul'turovedenie"?
A.Boguslawski

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From a.jameson at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Sun May  7 12:07:22 2000
From: a.jameson at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Andrew Jameson)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 13:07:22 +0100
Subject: Khrushchev's bury remark
Message-ID: <SUN.7.MAY.2000.130722.0100.>

Lynn,
Did Nikita Sergeevich really say "my vas pokhoronim"?
The Dushenko dictionary of quotations clearly implies
that his original words were "my vas zakopaem".
(See my previous message.)
Andrew Jameson
Chair, Russian Committee, ALL
Languages and Professional Development
1 Brook Street, Lancaster LA1 1SL UK
Tel: 01524 32371  (+44 1524 32371)

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From: Lvisson at AOL.COM
To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Re: Khrushchev's bury remark
Date: 07 May 2000 03:54

Glad this subject came up...See also Sukhodrev's memoir, "Yazyk moi, vrag
moi."  This incident was written about on numerous occasions, and is a superb
example of mistranslation with disastrous consequences:  "My vas pokhoronim,"
as Khrushchev said, did not mean "We will bury you - " i.e. do you in, kill
you, but rather "We will survive you, be present at your funeral.
L. Visson

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From eginzbur at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Sun May  7 13:43:02 2000
From: eginzbur at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (elizabeth ginzburg)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 08:43:02 -0500
Subject: "Cultural Studies" in translation
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Poslednee dobavlenie:
u vas budut veschi v 4 Vashix chemodanax i 2-vitinyx.
my (izvinite, ia) zanimaemsia etim voprosom, no te 2 legkix neobxodimo kupit' -
zdes' ix net.

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From d-powelstock at UCHICAGO.EDU  Sun May  7 13:52:57 2000
From: d-powelstock at UCHICAGO.EDU (David Powelstock)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 08:52:57 -0500
Subject: Khrushchev's bury remark
In-Reply-To: <SEELANGS%2000050707594334@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
Message-ID: <SUN.7.MAY.2000.085257.0500.>

As I read the Dushenko entry, NSK said "pokhoronim," then the English press
translated it as "we will bury you" (which, by the way, *is* an English
idiom for "to be at your funeral, but also a homonym for "we will defeat
you").  Some Russians somewhere then processed to back-translate "we will
bury you" into "my vas zakopaem," which NSK never said.

Frankly, I think we language types make a bit too much of this particular
mistranslation.  Fundamentally, NSK's policy of "peaceful
coexistence/competition" was extremely explicit, and I think perhaps the
Cuban missile crisis did more to cast doubt on its sincerity than this
single comment.

dp

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To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Re: Khrushchev's bury remark


Lynn,
Did Nikita Sergeevich really say "my vas pokhoronim"?
The Dushenko dictionary of quotations clearly implies
that his original words were "my vas zakopaem".
(See my previous message.)
Andrew Jameson
Chair, Russian Committee, ALL
Languages and Professional Development
1 Brook Street, Lancaster LA1 1SL UK
Tel: 01524 32371  (+44 1524 32371)

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From: Lvisson at AOL.COM
To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Re: Khrushchev's bury remark
Date: 07 May 2000 03:54

Glad this subject came up...See also Sukhodrev's memoir, "Yazyk moi, vrag
moi."  This incident was written about on numerous occasions, and is a
superb
example of mistranslation with disastrous consequences:  "My vas
pokhoronim,"
as Khrushchev said, did not mean "We will bury you - " i.e. do you in, kill
you, but rather "We will survive you, be present at your funeral.
L. Visson

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From ggerhart at WOLFENET.COM  Sun May  7 17:36:27 2000
From: ggerhart at WOLFENET.COM (Genevra Gerhart)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 10:36:27 -0700
Subject: Khrushev bury remark
Message-ID: <SUN.7.MAY.2000.103627.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Fellows:
Of course, it would be nice to know whether he said zakopaem or pokhoronim.
In _either_ case, however, interpretation is involved. Did he really mean,
"We will kill you and therefore will have to dig your grave" or "We will let
you die as you want, but it's us that will survive to perform the necessary
services."
I am old enough to report that 99.9 percent pure Americans _thought_ it
meant the former.
So what he meant is the problem.
Who, specifically, heard the comment and reported it?
Regards,
Genevra Gerhart

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From d-powelstock at UCHICAGO.EDU  Sun May  7 19:38:15 2000
From: d-powelstock at UCHICAGO.EDU (David Powelstock)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 14:38:15 -0500
Subject: Khrushev bury remark
In-Reply-To: <NDBBICAECLMOBBHNIGOOCEDMCCAA.ggerhart@wolfenet.com>
Message-ID: <SUN.7.MAY.2000.143815.0500.>

NSK meant that Socialism would outlast Capitalism.  The latter, of course,
would die of its own inner contradictions.  NSK's entire policy toward the
US was based on the idea that history would prove Socialism's superiority,
but the fall of Capitalism would occur *without* war.  This was what was
meant by "peaceful coexistence/competition," the Soviet ideological
underpinning of US-Soviet detente.  Remember?  Anyone read any history
lately?

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[mailto:SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of Genevra Gerhart
Sent: Sunday, 07 May 2000 12:36 PM
To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Re: Khrushev bury remark


Fellows:
Of course, it would be nice to know whether he said zakopaem or pokhoronim.
In _either_ case, however, interpretation is involved. Did he really mean,
"We will kill you and therefore will have to dig your grave" or "We will let
you die as you want, but it's us that will survive to perform the necessary
services."
I am old enough to report that 99.9 percent pure Americans _thought_ it
meant the former.
So what he meant is the problem.
Who, specifically, heard the comment and reported it?
Regards,
Genevra Gerhart

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From ggerhart at WOLFENET.COM  Sun May  7 20:17:49 2000
From: ggerhart at WOLFENET.COM (Genevra Gerhart)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 13:17:49 -0700
Subject: Khrushchev's bury remark
Message-ID: <SUN.7.MAY.2000.131749.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

"NSK's entire policy toward the
US was based on the idea that history would prove Socialism's superiority,
but the fall of Capitalism would occur *without* war.  This was what was
meant by "peaceful coexistence/competition," the Soviet ideological
underpinning of US-Soviet detente.  Remember?  Anyone read any history
lately?"

Now, now, let's not be nasty. You are telling us how the Soviets described
the intent of the remark, and I reported the American interpretation
thereof. Both of them mattered.

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From Lvisson at AOL.COM  Sun May  7 21:20:39 2000
From: Lvisson at AOL.COM (Lvisson at AOL.COM)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 17:20:39 EDT
Subject: My vas pokhoronim
Message-ID: <SUN.7.MAY.2000.172039.EDT.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Khrushchev said "My vas pokhoronim," not "my vas zakopaem," which was a back
translation from "We will bury you.  For a detailed discussion of this with
evidence by eyewitnesses, see the recently published memoir by the
interpreter Viktor Sukhodrev, "Ot Khrushcheva do Gorbacheva," Moscow: ACT
publishers, 1999, ; pp. 87-91 are devoted to this.  The meaning was "we will
survive you" after the death of capitalism.
LV

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From Lvisson at AOL.COM  Sun May  7 21:22:34 2000
From: Lvisson at AOL.COM (Lvisson at AOL.COM)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 17:22:34 EDT
Subject: My Vas Pokhoronim (2)
Message-ID: <SUN.7.MAY.2000.172234.EDT.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Sorry - the computer decided to pokhoronit my e-mail, and ate the first part
of the title of Sukhodrev's book:  It's "Yazyk moi, drug moi," and "Ot
Khrushcheva do  Gorbacheva"  is the  subtitle.  Incidentally, Troyanovsky,
who was also Khrushchev's interpreter along with Sukhodrev, has cited this
incident as "pokhoronim."
LV

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From mct7 at COLUMBIA.EDU  Sun May  7 21:46:01 2000
From: mct7 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Michael Clark Troy)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 17:46:01 -0400
Subject: "Cultural Studies" in translation
Message-ID: <SUN.7.MAY.2000.174601.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

The fact is that "Cultural Studies" designates a scholarly trend with a very
specific historical origin and a clearly demarcated political agenda.  You
can't begin to translate the term without talking about Marxism in Birmingham
in the 1970s.  Sure, everybody studies culture, but Stuart Hall and his circle
have laid a pretty firm claim to this term.  If you try to translate it as a
general kul'turovedenie or an Epsteinian kul'turologia, you'll misrepresent
things in a way so fundamental as to have translated nothing.

Clark Troy

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From jmdavis at FAS.HARVARD.EDU  Mon May  8 14:11:58 2000
From: jmdavis at FAS.HARVARD.EDU (Jolanta M. Davis)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:11:58 -0400
Subject: Query: winners of Booker & Pushkin prizes
Message-ID: <MON.8.MAY.2000.101158.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Can anyone tell me who were the winners of Russian Booker and Pushkin
prizes for 2000 and 1999? Who (what organization) awards these prizes?
thank you


Jolanta M. Davis
Publications Coordinator
American Association for the Advancement of Slavic Studies (AAASS)
8 Story Street
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From rdelossa at FAS.HARVARD.EDU  Mon May  8 17:33:38 2000
From: rdelossa at FAS.HARVARD.EDU (Robert De Lossa)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 13:33:38 -0400
Subject: Oleh Lysheha in New York
Message-ID: <MON.8.MAY.2000.133338.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

The Shevchenko Scientific Society
The Ukrainian Academy of Arts and Sciences in the U.S
The Harriman Institute at Columbia University
are sponsoring an
evening of poetry by OLEH LYSHEHA and JAMES BRASFIELD,
finalists* for the PEN Poetry Translation Prize
(*award to be announced May 11 and presented May 15 at the Lincoln Center)
Introductory remarks: Dr. Vitaly A. Chernetsky, Columbia University
The evening will take place on Tuesday, May 16, at 6:30 PM
Location:  The Shevchenko Scientific Society, 68 Fourth Avenue, New York, NY
Telephone: (212) 254-5130

____________________________________________________
Robert De Lossa
Director of Publications
Ukrainian Research Institute, Harvard University
1583 Massachusetts Ave., Cambridge, MA 02138
617-496-8768; fax. 617-495-8097
reply to: rdelossa at fas.harvard.edu
http://www.sabre.org/huri/

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From msherw at OREGON.UOREGON.EDU  Mon May  8 17:36:59 2000
From: msherw at OREGON.UOREGON.EDU (Marta Sherwood-Pike)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:36:59 -0700
Subject: Khrushchev's bury remark
In-Reply-To: <B539AC2A.1F6%rv5s-ptrs@asahi-net.or.jp>
Message-ID: <MON.8.MAY.2000.103659.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Mistranslation isn't exactly the right term, but isn't this colloquial
expression equivalent to the English "I'll bring flowers to your funeral,"
meaning, in both cases, at the rate you're going, I/we expect to outlive
you.  Martha Sherwood

On Sat, 6 May 2000, Scott Petersen wrote:

> Can anyone with this?
>
> I have seen many times that Khrushchev's remark that the Soviet Union would
> bury the West was a mistranslation; that he actually said that the SU would
> be at the grave of the West, i.e. would outlive the West. Lynn Visson gives
> the Russian as "my vas poxoronim" (_From Russian into English_, Ardis
> Press).
>
> Is there anywhere that gives more details about this incident? A fuller
> quote? The context in which it was said?
>
> TIA.
>
> Scott Petersen
>
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From frosset at WHEATONMA.EDU  Mon May  8 18:38:09 2000
From: frosset at WHEATONMA.EDU (Francoise Rosset)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 14:38:09 -0400
Subject: Khrushchev's bury remark
In-Reply-To: <200005081747.NAA20607@acunix.wheatonma.edu>
Message-ID: <MON.8.MAY.2000.143809.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Well, from a purely personal point of view, I like "We'll be dancing
on your graves," which is not as aggressively and easily misunderstood
as "we'll bury you," but still packs a nice political punch.
Then again, not being a native of English, I may be making up this
idiom entirely. I do that sometimes ...

And I think D.P. is absolutely right that we need to look at the history
and the context, not to mention at what people actually said !!
True, the American interpretation matters, but not because it was justified.
In this case it was -- as common to both sides then -- misguided and rather
narcissistic, and conveniently bolstered the feeling that the Bad Guys
were just itching to hit the U.S. To me the American interpretation is
a more telling symptom of cold war mentality than what NSK said.
-FR

Francoise Rosset                          phone:  (508) 286-3696
Department of Russian                     fax:    (508) 286-3640
Wheaton College                           e-mail: frosset at wheatonma.edu
Norton, Massachusetts 02766

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From kalbj at GWM.SC.EDU  Mon May  8 13:57:14 2000
From: kalbj at GWM.SC.EDU (Judith Kalb)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 14:57:14 +0100
Subject: computer insurance in Russia?
Message-ID: <MON.8.MAY.2000.145714.0100.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Colleagues,
A student who will be travelling in Russia this summer has asked me about
insurance to cover potential loss (theft) of his laptop computer while
there.  I'd be grateful for any suggestions you might have--thanks!
Best wishes,
Judith Kalb



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From gadassov at WANADOO.FR  Mon May  8 20:49:56 2000
From: gadassov at WANADOO.FR (Adassovsky Georges)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 21:49:56 +0100
Subject: Khrushev bury remark
In-Reply-To: <NDBBICAECLMOBBHNIGOOCEDMCCAA.ggerhart@wolfenet.com>
Message-ID: <MON.8.MAY.2000.214956.0100.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Genevra is perfectly right:

>Fellows:
>Of course, it would be nice to know whether he said zakopaem or pokhoronim.
>In _either_ case, however, interpretation is involved. Did he really mean,
>"We will kill you and therefore will have to dig your grave" or "We will let
>you die as you want, but it's us that will survive to perform the necessary
>services."
>I am old enough to report that 99.9 percent pure Americans _thought_ it
>meant the former.
>So what he meant is the problem.

Of course he meant the latter.

Georges

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From Zemedelec at AOL.COM  Mon May  8 20:19:14 2000
From: Zemedelec at AOL.COM (Leslie Farmer)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 16:19:14 EDT
Subject: Khrushchev's bury remark
Message-ID: <MON.8.MAY.2000.161914.EDT.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

No, the idiom's fine:

"When you're laid in the ground, Love,
I'll dance on your grave."

(Anglo-Irish ballad)

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From lgoering at CARLETON.EDU  Mon May  8 20:21:03 2000
From: lgoering at CARLETON.EDU (Laura Goering)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 15:21:03 -0500
Subject: military rank in War and Peace
Message-ID: <MON.8.MAY.2000.152103.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

My students have asked me for some kind of guide to both the military ranks
and the different kinds of regiments described in War and Peace.  Can
anyone help?  Off-list to lgoering at carleton.edu.  Thanks in advance.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Laura Goering
Associate Professor of Russian
Dept. of German and Russian
Carleton College
Northfield, MN 55057
Tel: 507-646-4125

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From mllemily at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU  Mon May  8 20:21:06 2000
From: mllemily at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU (Emily Tall)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 16:21:06 -0400
Subject: Khrushchev's bury remark
Message-ID: <MON.8.MAY.2000.162106.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

"I'll bring flowers to your funeral" is an expression I haven't heard (I'm a
native speaker of English) but it sounds very benign to me. I can imagine myself
saying it to a friend, so it really isn't an appropriate translation for the
Khrushchev remark, it seems to me. Emily Tall

Marta Sherwood-Pike wrote:

> Mistranslation isn't exactly the right term, but isn't this colloquial
> expression equivalent to the English "I'll bring flowers to your funeral,"
> meaning, in both cases, at the rate you're going, I/we expect to outlive
> you.  Martha Sherwood
>
> On Sat, 6 May 2000, Scott Petersen wrote:
>
> > Can anyone with this?
> >
> > I have seen many times that Khrushchev's remark that the Soviet Union would
> > bury the West was a mistranslation; that he actually said that the SU would
> > be at the grave of the West, i.e. would outlive the West. Lynn Visson gives
> > the Russian as "my vas poxoronim" (_From Russian into English_, Ardis
> > Press).
> >
> > Is there anywhere that gives more details about this incident? A fuller
> > quote? The context in which it was said?
> >
> > TIA.
> >
> > Scott Petersen
> >
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From anthony.j.vanchu1 at JSC.NASA.GOV  Mon May  8 20:30:59 2000
From: anthony.j.vanchu1 at JSC.NASA.GOV (VANCHU, ANTHONY J. (JSC-AH))
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 15:30:59 -0500
Subject: Khrushchev's bury remark
Message-ID: <MON.8.MAY.2000.153059.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Genevra and Francoise bring up the important point that the American
interpretation of the Russian words matters, incorrect though it may be.
Clearly, the commonly accepted interpretation --that the Soviets would
"...kill you and therefore will have to dig your grave," lacked an
appropriate cultural context when rendered in English.  Granted, the Russian
isn't exactly expressing the warmest wishes, but it's also a far cry from
killing outright.

Since we do a lot of language and cultural training at NASA with people who
will be living and working in Moscow and Star City, Khrushchev's comment is
an example I use repeatedly to emphasize the perils of a (mis)translation
that does not take into account the original speaker's cultural and
linguistic context.  The fate of this phrase also highlights the fact that
keeping Cold War propaganda going was more important than understanding what
really happened in this incident.

Fortunately, most of our students are old enough at least to have some vague
notion of who Khrushchev even was...


Dr. Anthony Vanchu
Russian Language Program Director
TTI/JLEC
NASA Johnson Space Center
(281) 483-0644




-----Original Message-----
From: Francoise Rosset [mailto:frosset at WHEATONMA.EDU]
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 1:38 PM
To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Re: Khrushchev's bury remark


Well, from a purely personal point of view, I like "We'll be dancing
on your graves," which is not as aggressively and easily misunderstood
as "we'll bury you," but still packs a nice political punch.
Then again, not being a native of English, I may be making up this
idiom entirely. I do that sometimes ...

And I think D.P. is absolutely right that we need to look at the history
and the context, not to mention at what people actually said !!
True, the American interpretation matters, but not because it was justified.
In this case it was -- as common to both sides then -- misguided and rather
narcissistic, and conveniently bolstered the feeling that the Bad Guys
were just itching to hit the U.S. To me the American interpretation is
a more telling symptom of cold war mentality than what NSK said.
-FR

Francoise Rosset                          phone:  (508) 286-3696
Department of Russian                     fax:    (508) 286-3640
Wheaton College                           e-mail: frosset at wheatonma.edu
Norton, Massachusetts 02766

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From d-powelstock at UCHICAGO.EDU  Mon May  8 21:10:36 2000
From: d-powelstock at UCHICAGO.EDU (David Powelstock)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 16:10:36 -0500
Subject: Khrushchev's bury remark
In-Reply-To: <391721B2.59B83A82@acsu.buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <MON.8.MAY.2000.161036.0500.>

If we're looking for an accurate translation, I think "We shall dance on
your grave" works pretty well.

To be sure, as Francoise R. notes, Cold War hype was the real culprit here,
making it possible to believe that Khrushchev could really do something as
stupid as threaten to destroy the US.  US cold warriors had no interest in
disabusing the populace of this misunderstanding, since it played into their
propagandistic goals.  For the press, it was lovely headline.  Pace Anthony
V., the misleading translation is more important as a *symptom* (of cold-war
mentality) than as an event or peril.  In other words, it didn't make
anything happen that wasn't already happening.  The bomb-shelter industry
was doing well enough as it was.  Conversely, had it been translated more
appropriately, the cold war would have still continued icily along.  The
problem was not mistranslation, but misunderstanding and mistrust, magnified
by the effect of Pascal's wager: the odds were good that the USSR didn't
want to make war, but nuclear weapons made the stakes very, very high.  Then
there was the "military-industrial complex," but I'll save that for the next
summer of love....


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list
> [mailto:SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of Emily Tall
> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 3:21 PM
> To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
> Subject: Re: Khrushchev's bury remark
>
>
> "I'll bring flowers to your funeral" is an expression I haven't
> heard (I'm a
> native speaker of English) but it sounds very benign to me. I can
> imagine myself
> saying it to a friend, so it really isn't an appropriate
> translation for the
> Khrushchev remark, it seems to me. Emily Tall
>

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From atacama at GLOBAL.CO.ZA  Tue May  9 09:57:15 2000
From: atacama at GLOBAL.CO.ZA (atacama)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 11:57:15 +0200
Subject: military rank in War and Peace
Message-ID: <TUE.9.MAY.2000.115715.0200.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Please reply to the whole list, since I am also interested.
You can find a lot of the information on the Internet if you search for
"Tables of Ranks" (Peter the Great), but the rankings did change
slightly from time to time.
Some of the information is not quite right that you might find,
eg: entry into Noble status was later lifted from 8th rank to 4th rank,
but an 8th ranking civil servant or military men could be accorded
"Personal" (non-hereditary) nobility.

Vera Beljakova
Johannesburg
--------------


Laura Goering wrote:
>
> My students have asked me for some kind of guide to both the military ranks
> and the different kinds of regiments described in War and Peace.
 Thanks in advance.
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Laura Goering
> Associate Professor of Russian
> Dept. of German and Russian
> Carleton College
> Northfield, MN 55057
> Tel: 507-646-4125

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From bougakov at MAIL.RU  Wed May 10 09:38:41 2000
From: bougakov at MAIL.RU (Alexandre Bougakov)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 13:38:41 +0400
Subject: military rank in War and Peace
Message-ID: <WED.10.MAY.2000.133841.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Laura, Vera and other SEELANGERS,

There is an fantastic book called "Chinovnyj Mir Rossii" (Author is 
L.E.Schepeljov, printed in St.Petersburg by "Iskusstvo-S.-Pb"). It 
describes russian civil and military service from 18th till the beginning 
of the 20th century - ranks, institutions, and nuch more. This is an 
example of outstanding research work, written in absolutely simple, 
straightforward style, not as usual sophisticated academic works - it is 
highly recommended for everybody who are interested in the Russian history 
and literature. There are many details which help to understand Gogol, 
Tolstoy, Chechov and Turgenev.

I have bought it in Moscow in the Biblio-Globus bookstore on Mjasnitskaya 
Str. 6 for 116Rub. As far as I know they have an Internet shop, so you can 
go to www.biblio-globus.ru and try to buy it online.

Sincerely yours,
Alexandre Bougakov <mailto:bougakov at mail.ru>
Student of the sociological faculty of the Higher School of Economics 
(http://www.hse.ru), Moscow, Russian Federation
My website is http://SocioLink.narod.ru/ (thousands of sociology related 
links on the Web)
My PGP key ID is 0x97F20C99, Key Fingerprint is C83C 5998 F43A BEB7 70DF 
 B8FC CC5E 960E 97F2 0C99 (PGP version is 6.0.2i)

P.S. Here is the full name of this book in Russian (hope that russian 
characters will be readable):

Леонид Ефимович Шепелёв "Чиновный мир России. XVIII - начало XX в." 
Санкт-Петербург: "Искусство-СПБ", 1999. - 479 с.

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Subject:        military rank in War and Peace

My students have asked me for some kind of guide to both the military ranks
and the different kinds of regiments described in War and Peace.  Can
anyone help? 

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From jmdavis at FAS.HARVARD.EDU  Wed May 10 17:04:08 2000
From: jmdavis at FAS.HARVARD.EDU (Jolanta M. Davis)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 13:04:08 -0400
Subject: Query: Literary prizes other than Russian and Ukrainian
Message-ID: <WED.10.MAY.2000.130408.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Last Thursday (the day the "love bug" hit the world) I sent to Slavlibs the
following message:

I am looking for information on prestigious literary prizes awarded either
by the governments of Russia, Central Asia, and Central & Eastern Europe,
or by other, renowned literary organizations in these countries.
thank you in advance for your help

So far, I have gotten responses only about Russian and Ukrainian prizes.
Does anyone know anything about prizes in other Slavic/Central
European/Central Asian countries? It is hard to believe that no literary
prizes are awarded there.

thanks for your help

Jolanta Davis
Jolanta M. Davis
Publications Coordinator
American Association for the Advancement of Slavic Studies (AAASS)
8 Story Street
Cambridge, MA 021238, USA
http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~aaass/

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From mzs at UNLSERVE.UNL.EDU  Wed May 10 17:48:07 2000
From: mzs at UNLSERVE.UNL.EDU (Mila Saskova-Pierce)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:48:07 -0500
Subject: Query: Literary prizes other than Russian and Ukrainian
In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000510130332.00ae4cb0@imap.fas.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.10.MAY.2000.124807.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Jolanta, the Jaroslav Seifert Prize is among the many literary prizes given
out every year in the Czech Republic.

Mila Saskova-Pierce

>Last Thursday (the day the "love bug" hit the world) I sent to Slavlibs the
>following message:
>
>I am looking for information on prestigious literary prizes awarded either
>by the governments of Russia, Central Asia, and Central & Eastern Europe,
>or by other, renowned literary organizations in these countries.
>thank you in advance for your help
>
>So far, I have gotten responses only about Russian and Ukrainian prizes.
>Does anyone know anything about prizes in other Slavic/Central
>European/Central Asian countries? It is hard to believe that no literary
>prizes are awarded there.
>
>thanks for your help
>
>Jolanta Davis
>Jolanta M. Davis
>Publications Coordinator
>American Association for the Advancement of Slavic Studies (AAASS)
>8 Story Street
>Cambridge, MA 021238, USA
>http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~aaass/
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From kitty at 17SLON.COM  Wed May 10 20:24:12 2000
From: kitty at 17SLON.COM (=?iso-8859-2?Q?Katja_Benevol_Gabrijel=E8i=E8?=)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 22:24:12 +0200
Subject: Query: Literary prizes other than Russian and Ukrainian
In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000510130332.00ae4cb0@imap.fas.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.10.MAY.2000.222412.0200.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

>So far, I have gotten responses only about Russian and Ukrainian prizes.
>Does anyone know anything about prizes in other Slavic/Central
>European/Central Asian countries? It is hard to believe that no literary
>prizes are awarded there.

We have the Presernova nagrada (Presern's prize) in Slovenia, but it's a pri
ze for all culture, not only literature. I tried to find something on the Sl
ovenian part of the net, but it looks like there's nothing there (and they c
ould at least publish this year's winners and so forth.)
Finally I rememberd that at least some news about it should've been publishe
d and found what follows (Slovenian only)
http://www.24ur.com/dogodki/dogodki_arhiv.asp?datum= 1.2.2000&pagesize=19&wh
ichpage=6&msgID=55498&sID=1001002001001
Part of it goes to the students: http://www.24ur.com/dogodki/dogodki_arhiv.a
sp?datum=5.2.2000&pagesize=19&whichpage=2&msgID=55624&sID=1001002001004

Then ther's a literary contest Mladika http://www.24ur.com/dogodki/dogodki_a
rhiv.asp?datum=1.2.2000&pagesize=19&whichpage=2&msgID=55418&sID=100100300100
4

There's also a comedy award: http://www.24ur.com/dogodki/dogodki_arhiv.asp?d
atum=5.2.2000&pagesize=19&whichpage=7&msgID=56646&sID=1001002001004

HTH, Katja

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traduttrice indipendente
ita>slo>ita, ang>slo
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From chtodel at HUMANITAS.UCSB.EDU  Wed May 10 21:15:06 2000
From: chtodel at HUMANITAS.UCSB.EDU (Donald Barton Johnson)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:15:06 -0700
Subject: First publication of Gorky's MOTHER?
Message-ID: <WED.10.MAY.2000.141506.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I have a very hazy recollection that Gorky's novel MOTHER was first
published in the U.S. in THE ATLANTIC MONTHLY or HARPERs, i.e. prior to
its Russian-language publication.

Can some kind soul tell me if this is true or not and, if so, provide
bibliographic details?

Please reply off-line to either or <chtodel at humanitas.ucsb.edu> or
<chtodel at gte.net>. Thank you.

D. Barton Johnson
Department of Germanic, Slavic and Semitic Studies
Phelps Hall
University of California at Santa Barbara
Santa Barbara, CA  93106
Phone and Fax: (805) 687-1825
Home Phone: (805) 682-4618

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From dintinjana at SIOL.NET  Wed May 10 22:04:37 2000
From: dintinjana at SIOL.NET (JMD)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 23:04:37 +0100
Subject: Query: Literary prizes other than Russian and Ukrainian
Message-ID: <WED.10.MAY.2000.230437.0100.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Main literary awards in Slovenia:

- Vilenica  - a) for best prose, C.E. authors, annual,
                - b) for poetry, C.E.authors, annual ('Crystal' award)

- Kresnik (annual, for best novel)
- Veronika (for best poetry collection)
- Preseren Fund Award (highest national award)

(... Apokalipsa magazine award for best haiku... etc:-)

Regards, Mia Dintinjana

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From djg11 at CORNELL.EDU  Thu May 11 04:24:56 2000
From: djg11 at CORNELL.EDU (David J. Galloway)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 00:24:56 -0400
Subject: Free Russian Resources at Cornell University
Message-ID: <THU.11.MAY.2000.002456.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

The following is posted for Slava Paperno at Cornell University; if you
have requests regarding this post, please direct them to him at
sp27 at cornell.edu (address also appears below).

>THE FOLLOWING IS AN ANNOUNCEMENT OF NEW FREE RESOURCES FOR RUSSIAN STUDENTS
>AT CORNELL UNIVERSITY'S WEB SITE
>
>
>The Russian Dictionary Tree: A 12,000-entry learner's dictionary of
>Russian, with all inflected forms for each word, thousands of examples, and
>exhaustive grammatical information:
>
>http://russian.dmll.cornell.edu/rdt/index.htm
>
>Beginning Russian Through Film: Hundreds of episodes from Russian films,
>with transcripts, glosses, and linguistic and cultural comments (requires
>at least a cable modem connection):
>
>http://russian.dmll.cornell.edu/brtf/index.htm
>
>Beginning Russian Grammar: A complete online grammar for first-year
>Russian  students; adapted from Slavica Publisher's venerable textbook by
>Leed, Nakhimovsky, and Nakhimovsky:
>
>http://russian.dmll.cornell.edu/grammar/index.htm
>
>Lora's Dialogs: 600 short conversations with audio recordings and (Part 2
>only for now) linked glosses and grammatical explanations:
>
>http://russian.dmll.cornell.edu/loras_dialogs/index.htm
>
>Mednyj Vsadnik: a Real Audio recording of the poem, with links to annotated
>text and historical information:
>
>http://russian.dmll.cornell.edu/horseman/index.htm
>
>Thank you!
>
>
>Slava Paperno
>Director of The Russian Language Program
>Department of Russian Literature
>Morrill Hall
>Cornell University
>Ithaca, NY 14853-4701
>tel. 607/277-3981, fax. 607/273-4316
>sp27 at cornell.edu
>http://russian.dmll.cornell.edu/

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From jmdavis at FAS.HARVARD.EDU  Thu May 11 15:20:16 2000
From: jmdavis at FAS.HARVARD.EDU (Jolanta M. Davis)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 11:20:16 -0400
Subject: Query: Literary prizes other than Russian and Ukrainian
In-Reply-To: <NDBBKHOKMCDCKJLOAIJAIEGBIFAA.kitty@17slon.com>
Message-ID: <THU.11.MAY.2000.112016.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Thank you very much. Unfortunately I don't speak Slovenian (at least not
yet), but I'll see if anyone in the Slavic Division at Harvard's Widener
library does.
thanks again
Jolanta

At 04:24 PM 5/10/00 , you wrote:
> >So far, I have gotten responses only about Russian and Ukrainian prizes.
> >Does anyone know anything about prizes in other Slavic/Central
> >European/Central Asian countries? It is hard to believe that no literary
> >prizes are awarded there.
>
>We have the Presernova nagrada (Presern's prize) in Slovenia, but it's a pri
>ze for all culture, not only literature. I tried to find something on the Sl
>ovenian part of the net, but it looks like there's nothing there (and they c
>ould at least publish this year's winners and so forth.)
>Finally I rememberd that at least some news about it should've been publishe
>d and found what follows (Slovenian only)
>http://www.24ur.com/dogodki/dogodki_arhiv.asp?datum= 1.2.2000&pagesize=19&wh
>ichpage=6&msgID=55498&sID=1001002001001
>Part of it goes to the students: http://www.24ur.com/dogodki/dogodki_arhiv.a
>sp?datum=5.2.2000&pagesize=19&whichpage=2&msgID=55624&sID=1001002001004
>
>Then ther's a literary contest Mladika http://www.24ur.com/dogodki/dogodki_a
>rhiv.asp?datum=1.2.2000&pagesize=19&whichpage=2&msgID=55418&sID=100100300100
>4
>
>There's also a comedy award: http://www.24ur.com/dogodki/dogodki_arhiv.asp?d
>atum=5.2.2000&pagesize=19&whichpage=7&msgID=56646&sID=1001002001004
>
>HTH, Katja
>
>******************************
>Katja Benevol Gabrijelcic
>prevajalka in lektorica
>freelance translator
>traduttrice indipendente
>ita>slo>ita, ang>slo
>mailto:kitty at 17slon.com
>http://www.17slon.com/kbg
>******************************
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From jobailey at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU  Thu May 11 16:03:59 2000
From: jobailey at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU (James Bailey)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 11:03:59 -0500
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <THU.11.MAY.2000.110359.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Seelangers!
      Off line could someone please send me the latest Email address of
IREX in Washington?
      Thanks,
       James Bailey

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From alancarmack at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU  Thu May 11 19:22:40 2000
From: alancarmack at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU (Mr Carmack)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 12:22:40 -0700
Subject: Free Russian Resources at Cornell University
In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20000511002456.006e4a7c@postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.11.MAY.2000.122240.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Wow!

Thanks for the info.


Alan C
Pflugerville, Texas

My Fr Alexander Men' Web Page: http://home.earthlink.net/~amenpage










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From jobailey at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU  Thu May 11 23:31:26 2000
From: jobailey at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU (James Bailey)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 18:31:26 -0500
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <THU.11.MAY.2000.183126.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Seelangers,
      Thanks to everyone for the help with IREX's address.
      James Bailey

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From dienes at COMPLIT.UMASS.EDU  Fri May 12 15:00:12 2000
From: dienes at COMPLIT.UMASS.EDU (Laszlo Dienes)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 11:00:12 -0400
Subject: Russian voice recognition
In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.20000511002456.006e4a7c@postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.12.MAY.2000.110012.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear colleagues,
I have been asked to place the following inquiry:

Does anyone know of a software program (PC or Mac) that does Russian
voice recognition?

Of special interest would be a program that is able (or can be trained)
to transcribe Russian speech from existing recordings (audiotape or
disk), as opposed to live dictation.

Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestion!

L. Dienes

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From N20JACK at AOL.COM  Sat May 13 02:22:21 2000
From: N20JACK at AOL.COM (N20JACK at AOL.COM)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 22:22:21 EDT
Subject: Russian voice recognition
Message-ID: <FRI.12.MAY.2000.222221.EDT.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

One program on the market for Voice Recognition software in Russian is called
Gorynych Prof. 1.0 .

I've been told that it's based off the popular program Dragon Dictate. It
works well for voice, but I doubt it would work very well for recordings.

Good luck.
**************************************
Dr. Jack Franke
Coordinator, Russian Dept. B
School of European Languages I
Defense Language Institute
Monterey by the Bay

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From alexush at PAONLINE.COM  Sat May 13 05:07:28 2000
From: alexush at PAONLINE.COM (Alexander Ushakov)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 01:07:28 -0400
Subject: Russian voice recognition
Message-ID: <SAT.13.MAY.2000.010728.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Is there any store (on-line or otherwise) where it can be bought or ordered?

TIA
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Subject: Re: Russian voice recognition


> One program on the market for Voice Recognition software in Russian is called
> Gorynych Prof. 1.0 .
> 
> I've been told that it's based off the popular program Dragon Dictate. It
> works well for voice, but I doubt it would work very well for recordings.
> 
> Good luck.
> **************************************
> Dr. Jack Franke
> Coordinator, Russian Dept. B
> School of European Languages I
> Defense Language Institute
> Monterey by the Bay
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From edraitse at SHIVA.HUNTER.CUNY.EDU  Sat May 13 15:26:35 2000
From: edraitse at SHIVA.HUNTER.CUNY.EDU (edraitse@shiva.hunter.cuny.edu)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 11:26:35 -0400
Subject: Russian -English dictionary on CD
Message-ID: <SAT.13.MAY.2000.112635.0400.>

Dear Seelangers:

I would like to thank everybody who responded to my inquiry on dictionaries on CD. Currently, I am testing some products that were recommended to me and promise to post the result of my research on this list.

Meanhwile, I'd appreciate it very much if a colleague from Switzerland, who responded to my inquiry personally, would contact me off-list again. I've erazed his message by mistake.

Again, thank you all.

Emil Draitser





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From lisa.mc at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU  Sat May 13 17:30:26 2000
From: lisa.mc at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU (Mary Elizabeth McLendon)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 13:30:26 -0400
Subject: Russian communities in the Midwest
Message-ID: <SAT.13.MAY.2000.133026.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Hello All,
I was wondering if there are any sizable Russian-speaking communities in
Kansas City, St. Louis, or Milwaukee. I'm not talking sizable like Brighton
Beach, but enough people to actually have a "community" feel.
If anyone can answer this, please reply off-list.
Thanks!
Lisa McLendon
Mary Elizabeth (Lisa) McLendon, Ph.D.
The University of Texas at Austin

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From pyz at PANIX.COM  Sat May 13 18:00:50 2000
From: pyz at PANIX.COM (pyz at PANIX.COM)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 14:00:50 -0400
Subject: Russian communities in the Midwest
In-Reply-To: <SEELANGS%2000051313302662@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU> from "Mary
 Elizabeth McLendon" at May 13, 2000 01:30:26 PM
Message-ID: <SAT.13.MAY.2000.140050.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

>
> Hello All,
> I was wondering if there are any sizable Russian-speaking communities in
> Kansas City, St. Louis, or Milwaukee. I'm not talking sizable like Brighton
> Beach, but enough people to actually have a "community" feel.

Some comments and then what I know about St. Louis (having lived there most
of my life until not too long ago, now in NYC).

I'm wondering if it's fair to call these places communities since they don't
have any institutions which seem to demarcate them as such - religious
institutions, social clubs, business associations, etc.  About the only thing
which does stand out is the presence of Russian language media, both print
and radio/tv, and certain shopping areas. In NYC, there are a plethora of
Russian language newspapers - Novoye Russkoye Slovo, Reklama, Vechirnij' Niu
Jork, etc., and the highly visible and robust shopping area of Brighton
Beach avenue.

<off soapbox>

In St. Louis, you might find one along Pershing Avenue between Union and
DeBaliviere. There was a restaurant between Clara and Belt, just west of
Belt on the north side of the street run by someone from Odessa.

Also, in the University City area, along Delmar between EastGate and
Kingsland.

In Chicago (not that you asked for it), try the area around California
and Devon.

In San Francisco (again, not that you asked for it, but hey! let's go
for a canonical list) along Geary (sp?) north of Golden Gate Park.

> If anyone can answer this, please reply off-list.
> Thanks!
> Lisa McLendon
> Mary Elizabeth (Lisa) McLendon, Ph.D.
> The University of Texas at Austin
>


Max Pyziur                                     BRAMA - Gateway Ukraine
pyz at brama.com                                  http://www.brama.com/

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From LILAC1549 at AOL.COM  Sat May 13 22:02:25 2000
From: LILAC1549 at AOL.COM (Kristina Efimenko)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 18:02:25 EDT
Subject: Russian communities in the Midwest
Message-ID: <SAT.13.MAY.2000.180225.EDT.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I don't know exactly where some Russian communities are, except there is one
somewhere around an Russian (Greek) Orthodox Church near Pacific Grove,
California. I've heard that there is a river up in northern California called
the "Russian River" and that there is a community of Russian people up there.
Also, in Vermont near Middlebury College there is a Russian community. And by
the way, you should not think of Brighton beach as Russian, but as Jewish -
people speaking a mixture of broken Russian, Ukrianian, Yiddish, and English
( See Natasha Lvovich's book called the Multilingual Self. very interesting
and thought-provoking ideas.)   In Utah, there are many Ukrainian Babtists
(by the way) - newly immigrated after 1989. I know you were asking about
Midwest, but I just wanted to share my thoughts.

from, Kristina

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From sher07 at BELLSOUTH.NET  Sun May 14 12:01:01 2000
From: sher07 at BELLSOUTH.NET (Benjamin Sher)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 07:01:01 -0500
Subject: Russian communities in the Midwest
Message-ID: <SUN.14.MAY.2000.070101.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Kristina:

Feel free to look at the "World" section of my Russian Index. It lists
the Web sites of around 30 Russian communities in the United States and
around the world.

http://www.websher.net/inx/link.html

or directly:

http://www.websher.net/inx/WORLD/index.html

Yours,

Benjamin
--
Benjamin and Anna Sher
sher07 at bellsouth.net
Sher's Russian Web
http://www.websher.net

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From harvey.goldblatt at YALE.EDU  Sun May 14 15:05:03 2000
From: harvey.goldblatt at YALE.EDU (Harvey Goldblatt)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 11:05:03 -0400
Subject: Job Announcement in Russian Literature
Message-ID: <SUN.14.MAY.2000.110503.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Tenured Associate or Full Professor of Russian Literature
Department of Slavic Languages & Literatures
Yale University


Tenured Associate or Full Professor of Russian Literature, beginning
September 2001.  Broad competence in Russian literature with particular
expertise in nineteenth-century prose; interdisciplinary and comparative
approaches preferred.  Ph.D. or equivalent; distinguished publications;
experience in undergraduate and graduate teaching; fluent English and
Russian.  Send cover letter, curriculum vitae, and at least five letters of
reference, or nominations, by June 12, 2000, to Professor Harvey Goldblatt,
Chair, Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures, P.O. Box 208236,
Yale University, New Haven, CT 06520-8236.  Yale is an equal
opportunity/affirmative action employer.
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From ggerhart at WOLFENET.COM  Sun May 14 17:31:11 2000
From: ggerhart at WOLFENET.COM (Genevra Gerhart)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 10:31:11 -0700
Subject: Job Announcement in Russian Literature
In-Reply-To: <200005141505.IAA11696@wolfenet.com>
Message-ID: <SUN.14.MAY.2000.103111.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Nice job at Yale. Prestige, money. I wonder who gets to measure fluency?
Should it be measured?
 gg


-----Original Message-----
From: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list
Behalf Of Harvey Goldblatt
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 8:05 AM
To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Job Announcement in Russian Literature


Tenured Associate or Full Professor of Russian Literature
Department of Slavic Languages & Literatures
Yale University


Tenured Associate or Full Professor of Russian Literature, beginning
September 2001.  Broad competence in Russian literature with particular
expertise in nineteenth-century prose; interdisciplinary and comparative
approaches preferred.  Ph.D. or equivalent; distinguished publications;
experience in undergraduate and graduate teaching; fluent English and
Russian.  Send cover letter, curriculum vitae, and at least five letters of
reference, or nominations, by June 12, 2000, to Professor Harvey Goldblatt,
Chair, Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures, P.O. Box 208236,
Yale University, New Haven, CT 06520-8236.  Yale is an equal
opportunity/affirmative action employer.

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From dworth at UCLA.EDU  Sun May 14 23:59:30 2000
From: dworth at UCLA.EDU (Dean Worth)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 16:59:30 -0700
Subject: Job Announcement in Russian Literature
In-Reply-To: <NDBBICAECLMOBBHNIGOOAEFOCCAA.ggerhart@wolfenet.com>
Message-ID: <SUN.14.MAY.2000.165930.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Genevra et al:
        I suppose Yale will measure "fluency" in terms of its own needs, which it
can best define for itself, just as it can best decide for itself what
publications are "distinguished" enough for a tenured professorship at
Yale. How else can each of us conduct our business? Through some central
agency? Surely not. Regards, Dean


At 10:31 AM 5/14/00 -0700, you wrote:
>Nice job at Yale. Prestige, money. I wonder who gets to measure fluency?
>Should it be measured?
> gg
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list
>Behalf Of Harvey Goldblatt
>Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 8:05 AM
>To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
>Subject: Job Announcement in Russian Literature
>
>
>Tenured Associate or Full Professor of Russian Literature
>Department of Slavic Languages & Literatures
>Yale University
>
>
>Tenured Associate or Full Professor of Russian Literature, beginning
>September 2001.  Broad competence in Russian literature with particular
>expertise in nineteenth-century prose; interdisciplinary and comparative
>approaches preferred.  Ph.D. or equivalent; distinguished publications;
>experience in undergraduate and graduate teaching; fluent English and
>Russian.  Send cover letter, curriculum vitae, and at least five letters of
>reference, or nominations, by June 12, 2000, to Professor Harvey Goldblatt,
>Chair, Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures, P.O. Box 208236,
>Yale University, New Haven, CT 06520-8236.  Yale is an equal
>opportunity/affirmative action employer.
>
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From ggerhart at WOLFENET.COM  Mon May 15 18:13:56 2000
From: ggerhart at WOLFENET.COM (Genevra Gerhart)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:13:56 -0700
Subject: Subject: Job Announcement in Russian Literature
Message-ID: <MON.15.MAY.2000.111356.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Dean et al:

Surely Yale will use its own estimates; it's just that I would have thought
that Yale needs fluency like a moose needs a hatrack.

Let's suggest that all tenured faculty give their papers in the language
under discussion at the next AATSEEL meeting.
Regards,
Genevra

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From dworth at UCLA.EDU  Mon May 15 19:47:29 2000
From: dworth at UCLA.EDU (Dean Worth)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:47:29 -0700
Subject: Subject: Job Announcement in Russian Literature
In-Reply-To: <NDBBICAECLMOBBHNIGOOEEGLCCAA.ggerhart@wolfenet.com>
Message-ID: <MON.15.MAY.2000.124729.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Genevra et al.,
        My suggestion would be that we not try to organize other people's
activities. The profession is big enough to house all kinds of people, many
quite interesting in ways we couldn't duplicate ourselves. Best, Dean



At 11:13 AM 5/15/00 -0700, you wrote:
>Dear Dean et al:
>
>Surely Yale will use its own estimates; it's just that I would have thought
>that Yale needs fluency like a moose needs a hatrack.
>
>Let's suggest that all tenured faculty give their papers in the language
>under discussion at the next AATSEEL meeting.
>Regards,
>Genevra
>
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From daglas at EUDORAMAIL.COM  Tue May 16 11:30:00 2000
From: daglas at EUDORAMAIL.COM (J. Douglas Clayton)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 07:30:00 -0400
Subject: Job Announcement in Russian Literature
Message-ID: <TUE.16.MAY.2000.073000.0400.>

Dear Harvey:

Just to let you know that I plan to apply for this. I am currently in Russia, but will do my best to get everything to you ASAP. (Obviously I will need at least one new referee...)

Best,

Doug

PS On a personal note, I don't know if I told you that Marguerite and I separated over a year ago. For the best. I have been on sabbatical all year, in Russia and France. It has been a marvellous year. I shall be back in France on June 6th. D.
---

J. Douglas CLAYTON
_________________________________________
Professor
Modern Languages & Literatures
University of Ottawa
Box 450 Stn A
Ottawa ON K1N 6N5
Canada                   http://aix1.uottawa.ca/~jdclayt/index.html










On Sun, 14 May 2000 11:05:03   Harvey Goldblatt wrote:
>Tenured Associate or Full Professor of Russian Literature
>Department of Slavic Languages & Literatures
>Yale University
>
>
>Tenured Associate or Full Professor of Russian Literature, beginning
>September 2001.  Broad competence in Russian literature with particular
>expertise in nineteenth-century prose; interdisciplinary and comparative
>approaches preferred.  Ph.D. or equivalent; distinguished publications;
>experience in undergraduate and graduate teaching; fluent English and
>Russian.  Send cover letter, curriculum vitae, and at least five letters of
>reference, or nominations, by June 12, 2000, to Professor Harvey Goldblatt,
>Chair, Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures, P.O. Box 208236,
>Yale University, New Haven, CT 06520-8236.  Yale is an equal
>opportunity/affirmative action employer.


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From a.jameson at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Tue May 16 11:57:13 2000
From: a.jameson at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Andrew Jameson)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:57:13 +0100
Subject: Very short translation
Message-ID: <TUE.16.MAY.2000.125713.0100.>

Dear Colleagues,
What would be the neatest translation of the following text into
Russian please? Our local refugee support group has asked for
a "natural Russian" translation:

           Lancaster Refugee Support Group

   Providing help, advice and support to asylum seekers,
     refugees and people seeking to settle in this
                        country

Thanks for your help.
Andrew Jameson
Chair, Russian Committee, ALL
Languages and Professional Development
1 Brook Street, Lancaster LA1 1SL UK
Tel: 01524 32371  (+44 1524 32371)

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From dumanis at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU  Tue May 16 13:12:56 2000
From: dumanis at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU (Edward M Dumanis)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 09:12:56 -0400
Subject: Very short translation
In-Reply-To: <20000516114916.023BD4583@hose.pipex.net>
Message-ID: <TUE.16.MAY.2000.091256.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I am sure that there are many on this list who will be able to assist a
local refugee support group but I would question the ethics of such a
request.  I would be willing to help a colleague but the cost of such a
translation by a professional translation agency is surely affordable by
any small group; besides, we should not be in the business of competing
with professional translators and translation agencies.

Some of immigrants including former refugees have become professional
translators themselves, and, I am sure, will appreciate if you would
support their business. It's just my 2 cents on this matter.

Sincerely,

Edward Dumanis <dumanis at acsu.buffalo.edu>

On Tue, 16 May 2000, Andrew Jameson wrote:

> Dear Colleagues,
> What would be the neatest translation of the following text into
> Russian please? Our local refugee support group has asked for
> a "natural Russian" translation:
>
>            Lancaster Refugee Support Group
>
>    Providing help, advice and support to asylum seekers,
>      refugees and people seeking to settle in this
>                         country
>
> Thanks for your help.

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From cronk at GAC.EDU  Tue May 16 14:24:15 2000
From: cronk at GAC.EDU (Denis Crnkovic)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 09:24:15 -0500
Subject: "to go"
Message-ID: <TUE.16.MAY.2000.092415.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Here is a questions for the company at large, something less important to
think about at the busiest time of the year: Since I do not frequent fast
food enterpirses either here or abroad I was at a loss to answer my
students' questions about the fast food lexicon in Russia, Hungary and the
Czech Rep. Can anyone tell me what the formula is for "to go" (as in "2
cheeseburgers and a large fries, to go") in Russian, Czech and Hungarian?



With thanks in advance,

Denis C.














----------------------------
Denis Crnkovic, PhD
Associate Professor of Modern Foreign Languages and Literatures/ Russian
Director of Russian Language & Area Studies
Gustavus Adolphus College
Saint Peter, Minnesota 56082

507-933-7389
507-933-6066 [fax]
cronk at gac.edu
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From d-powelstock at UCHICAGO.EDU  Tue May 16 16:23:01 2000
From: d-powelstock at UCHICAGO.EDU (David Powelstock)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:23:01 -0500
Subject: "to go"
In-Reply-To: <l03130301b547093d8833@[138.236.40.122]>
Message-ID: <TUE.16.MAY.2000.112301.0500.>

Czech: "s(e) sebou"
Russian: "s soboi" (I think...)

-----Original Message-----
From: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list
[mailto:SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of Denis Crnkovic
Sent: Tuesday, 16 May 2000 9:24 AM
To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: "to go"


Here is a questions for the company at large, something less important to
think about at the busiest time of the year: Since I do not frequent fast
food enterpirses either here or abroad I was at a loss to answer my
students' questions about the fast food lexicon in Russia, Hungary and the
Czech Rep. Can anyone tell me what the formula is for "to go" (as in "2
cheeseburgers and a large fries, to go") in Russian, Czech and Hungarian?



With thanks in advance,

Denis C.














----------------------------
Denis Crnkovic, PhD
Associate Professor of Modern Foreign Languages and Literatures/ Russian
Director of Russian Language & Area Studies
Gustavus Adolphus College
Saint Peter, Minnesota 56082

507-933-7389
507-933-6066 [fax]
cronk at gac.edu
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From billingl at SPOT.COLORADO.EDU  Tue May 16 16:46:46 2000
From: billingl at SPOT.COLORADO.EDU (Loren A. BILLINGS)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:46:46 -0600
Subject: "to go"
Message-ID: <TUE.16.MAY.2000.104646.0600.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I concur with Russian _s soboi_ (= _s soboj_), although I'm not that
familiar with the recent fast-food lingo in Russia.  This was certainly the
way to say it back in the late 1980s and early 1990s.

--Loren Billings <loren.billings at colorado.edu>

>Czech: "s(e) sebou"
>Russian: "s soboi" (I think...)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list
>[mailto:SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of Denis Crnkovic
>Sent: Tuesday, 16 May 2000 9:24 AM
>To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
>Subject: "to go"
>
>Here is a questions for the company at large, something less important to
>think about at the busiest time of the year: Since I do not frequent fast
>food enterpirses either here or abroad I was at a loss to answer my
>students' questions about the fast food lexicon in Russia, Hungary and the
>Czech Rep. Can anyone tell me what the formula is for "to go" (as in "2
>cheeseburgers and a large fries, to go") in Russian, Czech and Hungarian?
>
>With thanks in advance,
>
>Denis C.
>
>----------------------------
>Denis Crnkovic, PhD
>Associate Professor of Modern Foreign Languages and Literatures/ Russian
>Director of Russian Language & Area Studies
>Gustavus Adolphus College
>Saint Peter, Minnesota 56082
>
>507-933-7389
>507-933-6066 [fax]
>cronk at gac.edu
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From renee at ALINGA.COM  Tue May 16 16:58:53 2000
From: renee at ALINGA.COM (Renee Stillings)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:58:53 -0400
Subject: "to go"
Message-ID: <TUE.16.MAY.2000.125853.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

"s soboi" is definitely correct...I order food to go in Moscow several times
a month and I've heard no other variation yet...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Loren A. BILLINGS" <billingl at SPOT.COLORADO.EDU>
To: <SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: "to go"


> I concur with Russian _s soboi_ (= _s soboj_), although I'm not that
> familiar with the recent fast-food lingo in Russia.  This was certainly
the
> way to say it back in the late 1980s and early 1990s.
>
> --Loren Billings <loren.billings at colorado.edu>
>
> >Czech: "s(e) sebou"
> >Russian: "s soboi" (I think...)
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list
> >[mailto:SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of Denis Crnkovic
> >Sent: Tuesday, 16 May 2000 9:24 AM
> >To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
> >Subject: "to go"
> >
> >Here is a questions for the company at large, something less important to
> >think about at the busiest time of the year: Since I do not frequent fast
> >food enterpirses either here or abroad I was at a loss to answer my
> >students' questions about the fast food lexicon in Russia, Hungary and
the
> >Czech Rep. Can anyone tell me what the formula is for "to go" (as in "2
> >cheeseburgers and a large fries, to go") in Russian, Czech and Hungarian?
> >
> >With thanks in advance,
> >
> >Denis C.
> >
> >----------------------------
> >Denis Crnkovic, PhD
> >Associate Professor of Modern Foreign Languages and Literatures/ Russian
> >Director of Russian Language & Area Studies
> >Gustavus Adolphus College
> >Saint Peter, Minnesota 56082
> >
> >507-933-7389
> >507-933-6066 [fax]
> >cronk at gac.edu
> >--------------------------
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From aisrael at AMERICAN.EDU  Tue May 16 17:39:16 2000
From: aisrael at AMERICAN.EDU (Alina Israeli)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:39:16 -0400
Subject: "to go"
Message-ID: <TUE.16.MAY.2000.133916.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

>"s soboi" is definitely correct...I order food to go in Moscow several
>times
>a month and I've heard no other variation yet...

I guess I would have to present my dissenting view publicly. My suggestion
is "na vynos" (which does not exclude the use of "s soboj" of course). Let
me refer you to BTS p. 176, "prodavat' vino, pivo na vynos". Most recently
I heard it in some TV movie (within the last couple of months).

**************************************************************
Alina Israeli
LFS, American University                phone:  (202) 885-2387
4400 Mass. Ave., NW                     fax:    (202) 885-1076
Washington, DC 20016

aisrael at american.edu

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From Alexander.Boguslawski at ROLLINS.EDU  Tue May 16 19:23:00 2000
From: Alexander.Boguslawski at ROLLINS.EDU (Alexander.Boguslawski at ROLLINS.EDU)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 14:23:00 -0500
Subject: "to go"
Message-ID: <TUE.16.MAY.2000.142300.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

In Polish it was always "na wynos" (if I remember correctly.
A.Boguslawski

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From dumanis at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU  Tue May 16 19:08:01 2000
From: dumanis at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU (Edward M Dumanis)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:08:01 -0400
Subject: "to go"
In-Reply-To: <v01540b03b546ffb5f885@[64.20.30.58]>
Message-ID: <TUE.16.MAY.2000.150801.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

My understanding is that "na vynos" has been used exclusively with
alcoholic beverages. If this is not the case anymore, I would like to hear
about it.
Many thanks.

Edward Dumanis <dumanis at acsu.buffalo.edu>

On Tue, 16 May 2000, Alina Israeli wrote:

> >"s soboi" is definitely correct...I order food to go in Moscow several
> >times
> >a month and I've heard no other variation yet...
>
> I guess I would have to present my dissenting view publicly. My suggestion
> is "na vynos" (which does not exclude the use of "s soboj" of course). Let
> me refer you to BTS p. 176, "prodavat' vino, pivo na vynos". Most recently
> I heard it in some TV movie (within the last couple of months).
>
> **************************************************************
> Alina Israeli
> LFS, American University                phone:  (202) 885-2387
> 4400 Mass. Ave., NW                     fax:    (202) 885-1076
> Washington, DC 20016
>
> aisrael at american.edu
>
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From alancarmack at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU  Tue May 16 22:00:31 2000
From: alancarmack at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU (Mr Carmack)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:00:31 -0700
Subject: "to go"
In-Reply-To: <047401bfbf58$06054860$04b406d1@sbosmr.ma.cable.rcn.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.16.MAY.2000.150031.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

> "s soboi" is definitely correct...I order food to go in Moscow
> several times
> a month and I've heard no other variation yet...

Wow! This could come in really handy for me if I follow through on my plans
to go to Moscow next month.  :-)


Alan Carmack
Pflugerville, TX

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From gfowler at INDIANA.EDU  Tue May 16 20:33:39 2000
From: gfowler at INDIANA.EDU (gfowler)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:33:39 -0500
Subject: EE languages for summer study
Message-ID: <TUE.16.MAY.2000.153339.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I've been asked to post this information to SEELangs for a colleague;
please reply to him, not to me or to the list, if you are interested in
pursuing these opportunities.


            ANNOUNCEMENT ANNOUNCEMENT ANNOUNCEMENT


The Indiana University Summer Workshop (June 16 - August 11) would like to
announce openings in Intensive Second-Year Polish and in First-Year
Slovene. Supported by the American Council of Learned Societies, both
are tuition free to graduate students specializing in any area of
East European and both are taught by visiting native speakers.
Fellowship funding may be available for qualified applicants.

First-year Czech, Polish, Romanian and Serbian/Croatian are also being
offered tuition free to graduate students who qualify.

For information, please contact:

Jerzy Kolodziej
jkolodzi at indiana.edu
tel. (812) 855-1648

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From Gomes at ACTR.ORG  Tue May 16 20:34:59 2000
From: Gomes at ACTR.ORG (Isabel Gomes)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 16:34:59 -0400
Subject: EE languages for summer study
Message-ID: <TUE.16.MAY.2000.163459.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Please remove me from distribution

Isabel Gomes
Human Resource Associate
************************************
American Councils for International Education: ACTR/ACCELS
1776 Massachusetts Ave, NW, 700
Washington, DC 20036
Tel:  202 833-7522
Fax: 202 872-9178
gomes at actr.org
www.actr.org

>>> gfowler <gfowler at INDIANA.EDU> 05/16/00 04:33PM >>>
I've been asked to post this information to SEELangs for a colleague;
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            ANNOUNCEMENT ANNOUNCEMENT ANNOUNCEMENT


The Indiana University Summer Workshop (June 16 - August 11) would like to
announce openings in Intensive Second-Year Polish and in First-Year
Slovene. Supported by the American Council of Learned Societies, both
are tuition free to graduate students specializing in any area of
East European and both are taught by visiting native speakers.
Fellowship funding may be available for qualified applicants.

First-year Czech, Polish, Romanian and Serbian/Croatian are also being
offered tuition free to graduate students who qualify.

For information, please contact:

Jerzy Kolodziej
jkolodzi at indiana.edu 
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From p0s5658 at ACS.TAMU.EDU  Tue May 16 21:08:12 2000
From: p0s5658 at ACS.TAMU.EDU (Pavel Samsonov)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 16:08:12 -0500
Subject: "to go"
Message-ID: <TUE.16.MAY.2000.160812.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

> My understanding is that "na vynos" has been used exclusively with
> alcoholic beverages. If this is not the case anymore, I would like to hear
> about it.
> Many thanks.

No, "na vynos" is fine with anything. A little bit too coloquial, perhaps,
but perfectly acceptable in a fast food place with anything, not necessarily
beverages.

With compliments,

Pavel (Paul) Samsonov
EDAD, College of Education,
Texas A&M University
tel. (409) 862-7771 (lab)
      (409) 862-9152 (home)
fax (409) 862-4347
e-mail p0s5658 at acs.tamu.edu

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From rdelossa at FAS.HARVARD.EDU  Tue May 16 21:26:40 2000
From: rdelossa at FAS.HARVARD.EDU (Robert De Lossa)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 17:26:40 -0400
Subject: PEN Award for Lysheha Poems
Message-ID: <TUE.16.MAY.2000.172640.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

HURI Publications is pleased to announce that James Brasfield and Oleh
Lysheha received the 2000 PEN Award for Poetry in Translation for "The
Selected Poems of Oleh Lysheha," published by the Harvard Ukrainian
Research Institute and distributed by Harvard University Press. The award
was given last night at the Lincoln Center in a ceremony featuring some of
the nation's foremost writers, playwrights, editors, and publishers. For
information on the award and event, please go to
http://www.pen.org/awards/awards00.html. If you are interested in the book,
please look at
http://www.hup.harvard.edu/F99Books/catalog/collected_lysheha.html. The
book also has won the American Association for Ukrainian Studies
Translation Prize; Lysheha has been selected for the Harbourfront
International Authors Festival in Toronto in October; and the poem "Swan"
has been selected for the XXIV Pushcart Prize Anthology. This is a singular
success for Ukrainian literature on the world stage...and rightly so, since
this is literature that transcends national borders and prejudices.

Enjoy,

Rob De Lossa, HURI

____________________________________________________
Robert De Lossa
Director of Publications
Ukrainian Research Institute, Harvard University
1583 Massachusetts Ave., Cambridge, MA 02138
617-496-8768; fax. 617-495-8097
reply to: rdelossa at fas.harvard.edu
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From O.F.Boele at LET.RUG.NL  Wed May 17 13:02:29 2000
From: O.F.Boele at LET.RUG.NL (O.F. Boele)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:02:29 +0200
Subject: censorship in pre-revolutionary Russia
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From iad146 at NWU.EDU  Wed May 17 15:37:14 2000
From: iad146 at NWU.EDU (Irina Dolgova)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:37:14 -0500
Subject: 1957 Leningrad celebration
In-Reply-To: <200005171302.PAA23626@freya.let.rug.nl>
Message-ID: <WED.17.MAY.2000.103714.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I am searching for the reason why the 250th anniversary of Leningrad
was celebrated in June 1957.  Every book gives the founding of
Leningrad in the year of 1703. This is part of my research for my
senior thesis. One secondary source has indicated that Khrushchev may
have picked this particular year for political motivations. Any help
with this puzzle would be much appreciated.

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From tancockk at UVIC.CA  Wed May 17 16:01:03 2000
From: tancockk at UVIC.CA (Kat Tancock)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:01:03 -0700
Subject: 1957 Leningrad celebration
In-Reply-To: <v04210100b5486c80527d@[129.105.248.45]>
Message-ID: <WED.17.MAY.2000.090103.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

That's funny, because I can say for a certainty that the 300th anniversary
is going to be celebrated in 2003. Maybe they were celebrating the
anniversary of a specific event in the creation of the city, rather than the
actual beginnings of it, or something like that.

Kat
--
Kat Tancock
UVic Language Centre
http://web.uvic.ca/langcen
tancockk at uvic.ca

> From: Irina Dolgova <iad146 at NWU.EDU>
> Reply-To: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list
> <SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:37:14 -0500
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> Subject: 1957 Leningrad celebration
>
> I am searching for the reason why the 250th anniversary of Leningrad
> was celebrated in June 1957.  Every book gives the founding of
> Leningrad in the year of 1703. This is part of my research for my
> senior thesis. One secondary source has indicated that Khrushchev may
> have picked this particular year for political motivations. Any help
> with this puzzle would be much appreciated.
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From eric.laursen at M.CC.UTAH.EDU  Wed May 17 16:10:13 2000
From: eric.laursen at M.CC.UTAH.EDU (Eric Laursen)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:10:13 -0600
Subject: 1957 Leningrad celebration
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Perhaps Stalin's death in 1953 put a damper on things.

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Subject:        Re: 1957 Leningrad celebration

That's funny, because I can say for a certainty that the 300th anniversary
is going to be celebrated in 2003. Maybe they were celebrating the
anniversary of a specific event in the creation of the city, rather than the
actual beginnings of it, or something like that.

Kat
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UVic Language Centre
http://web.uvic.ca/langcen
tancockk at uvic.ca

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> Subject: 1957 Leningrad celebration
>
> I am searching for the reason why the 250th anniversary of Leningrad
> was celebrated in June 1957.  Every book gives the founding of
> Leningrad in the year of 1703. This is part of my research for my
> senior thesis. One secondary source has indicated that Khrushchev may
> have picked this particular year for political motivations. Any help
> with this puzzle would be much appreciated.
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From natalia.pylypiuk at UALBERTA.CA  Wed May 17 16:46:32 2000
From: natalia.pylypiuk at UALBERTA.CA (Natalia Pylypiuk)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:46:32 -0600
Subject: Canadian Association of Slavists
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Dear Colleagues and Students,

Please visit the site of *Canadian Slavonic Papers*
(http://www.ualberta.ca/~csp)
for an updated version of the conference program
organized by the Canadian Association of Slavists.

The conference will take place in Edmonton, at the
University of Alberta, on May 27, 28 and 29.  This
annual meeting is part of the Canadian Congress of
the Social Sciences and Humanities.


Do zustrichi v Edmontoni!

Natalia Pylypiuk, Chair
CAS Program Committee

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From beyer at JAGUAR.MIDDLEBURY.EDU  Wed May 17 20:07:06 2000
From: beyer at JAGUAR.MIDDLEBURY.EDU (Beyer, Tom)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:07:06 -0400
Subject: 1957 Leningrad celebration
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I'm a long way from my history books- but did SPb become the capital in
1707? And when was the Russian Empire officially declared?

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>
> I am searching for the reason why the 250th anniversary of Leningrad
> was celebrated in June 1957.  Every book gives the founding of
> Leningrad in the year of 1703. This is part of my research for my
> senior thesis. One secondary source has indicated that Khrushchev may
> have picked this particular year for political motivations. Any help
> with this puzzle would be much appreciated.
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From rdelossa at FAS.HARVARD.EDU  Wed May 17 20:31:33 2000
From: rdelossa at FAS.HARVARD.EDU (Robert De Lossa)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:31:33 -0400
Subject: 1957 Leningrad celebration
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1703 - founding of Peter-Paul Fortress (w/Admiralty Shipyards the next year)
1712 - declared capital of Russia/Muscovy
1721 - declaration of Russian Empire

1707 - ?

Robert De Lossa

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>I'm a long way from my history books- but did SPb become the capital in
>1707? And when was the Russian Empire officially declared?
>
>> ----------
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>>
>> I am searching for the reason why the 250th anniversary of Leningrad
>> was celebrated in June 1957.  Every book gives the founding of
>> Leningrad in the year of 1703. This is part of my research for my
>> senior thesis. One secondary source has indicated that Khrushchev may
>> have picked this particular year for political motivations. Any help
>> with this puzzle would be much appreciated.
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From Mourka1 at AOL.COM  Thu May 18 00:50:45 2000
From: Mourka1 at AOL.COM (Mourka1 at AOL.COM)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:50:45 EDT
Subject: "to go" in Hungarian
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"to go" in Hungarian:  "becsogolva kérem " or shorter, "elviszem"

Good luck,

Mourka

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From laurengl at PTWI.NET  Thu May 18 03:19:40 2000
From: laurengl at PTWI.NET (Lauren Leighton)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 22:19:40 -0500
Subject: Invitation
Message-ID: <WED.17.MAY.2000.221940.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Here's an elementary question for anyone who can help out. How does one
invite someone to visit U.S. from Russia--either officially (institution) or
private (friend, relative)? What is the number of the INS form? Can it be
downloaded from internets? If so, what address? Is it true that INS does not
like to permit or even refuses to allow an entire family in? Thank you in
advance.

Lauren G. Leighton
12 Oak Grove Drive
Madison WI 53717
608 836-6947
laurengl at ptwi.net

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From as at TICOM.KHARKOV.UA  Wed May 17 17:53:08 2000
From: as at TICOM.KHARKOV.UA (Alex)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 20:53:08 +0300
Subject: 1957 Leningrad celebration
Message-ID: <WED.17.MAY.2000.205308.0300.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Kat Tancock wrote:
>
> That's funny, because I can say for a certainty that the 300th anniversary
> is going to be celebrated in 2003. Maybe they were celebrating the
> anniversary of a specific event in the creation of the city, rather than the
> actual beginnings of it, or something like that.

> > From: Irina Dolgova <iad146 at NWU.EDU>

> > I am searching for the reason why the 250th anniversary of Leningrad
> > was celebrated in June 1957.  Every book gives the founding of
> > Leningrad in the year of 1703. This is part of my research for my
> > senior thesis. One secondary source has indicated that Khrushchev may
> > have picked this particular year for political motivations. Any help
> > with this puzzle would be much appreciated.

In 57th the first Sputnik was launched and if I'm not mistaken the International
Youth Festival had been celebrated in Moscow. Perhaps those events went together
well...:)

Al Str.

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From alancarmack at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU  Thu May 18 16:34:49 2000
From: alancarmack at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU (Mr Carmack)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:34:49 -0700
Subject: another elementary question
In-Reply-To: <LPBBLABEFAIPBKGCJMLEMELECAAA.laurengl@ptwi.net>
Message-ID: <THU.18.MAY.2000.093449.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

What is the proper transliteration into "English" alphabet of the Russian
word for "hello", i.e., "Priviet"?

Never learned transliteration yet.

Alan C
Pflugerville, Texas

My Fr Alexander Men' Web Page: http://home.earthlink.net/~amenpage










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From lgoering at CARLETON.EDU  Thu May 18 18:36:58 2000
From: lgoering at CARLETON.EDU (Laura Goering)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 13:36:58 -0500
Subject: bibliographic standards
Message-ID: <THU.18.MAY.2000.133658.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Is there such a thing as a guide to standard Russian bibliographic form?
(i.e., something like the Chicago Manual of Style or MLA guide).  Anything
on line?  Thanks.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Laura Goering
Associate Professor of Russian
Dept. of German and Russian
Carleton College
Northfield, MN 55057
Tel: 507-646-4125

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From laurengl at PTWI.NET  Fri May 19 00:29:09 2000
From: laurengl at PTWI.NET (Lauren Leighton)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 19:29:09 -0500
Subject: another elementary question
In-Reply-To: <AAELKOPPFLPIHDBLFOBHOEMGCBAA.alancarmack@mail.utexas.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.18.MAY.2000.192909.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

a = a, b = b, v = v, g = g, e = e, e(io) = e, zh = zhm z = z, i = i, i
(kratkii) = i or j, k = k l = l, m = m, n = n, o = o, p = p, r = r, s = s, t
= t, u = u, f = f, x = x or kh, ts = ts or c, ch = ch, hard sign = ", y = y,
sof sign = ', e = e, iu = iu or ju, ia = ia or ja. Piece of cake. Use
Library of Congress system without signs. Don't use outmoded "French
Russian" (e.g. final v = ff, zh = j, etc.

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What is the proper transliteration into "English" alphabet of the Russian
word for "hello", i.e., "Priviet"?

Never learned transliteration yet.

Alan C
Pflugerville, Texas

My Fr Alexander Men' Web Page: http://home.earthlink.net/~amenpage










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From yamato at YT.CACHE.WASEDA.AC.JP  Fri May 19 01:36:29 2000
From: yamato at YT.CACHE.WASEDA.AC.JP (Yoshimasa Tsuji)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:36:29 +0900
Subject: bibliographic standards
In-Reply-To: <0FUR00E2FQB4JA@carleton.edu> (message from Laura Goering on Thu,
 18 May 2000 13:36:58 -0500)
Message-ID: <FRI.19.MAY.2000.103629.0900.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Dr Laura Goering,
You wrote
  >>Is there such a thing as a guide to standard Russian bibliographic form?
  >>(i.e., something like the Chicago Manual of Style or MLA guide).  Anything
  >>on line?  Thanks.

Yes, there are. GOST 7.1-84 is the standard document to be
referenced. There are yet another two or three GOST documents
that relate to abbreviations used in bibliographies.
  If you don't have access to GOST documents (your
Institute of Standard will keep Soviet copies, I am sure), you may
be interested in looking in any of the standard reference books,
for example, Spravochnaja kniga redaktora i korrektora: Redakcionno-
tekhnicheskoe oformlenie izdanija, M., 1985, the 25th chapter of which
is devoted to Bibliografichekij apparat izdanija. Incidentally, there
are quite a number of similar reference books, and I am sure your
local (i.e. US) libraries do hold some of them. (The key word is
"tekhnicheskaja redakcija", or "copy editing" if you use a search engine).
  The on-line utility is, as far as I know, limited to a search engine
of GOST numbers (the key word you enter will show you the number of
related document, but not the document itself).

  Unfortunately, publications after the collapse of USSR tend to ignore
all the standard rules (e.g. you rarely come across with traditional
fonts like Obyknovennyj Novyj or Literaturnyj these days) thanks to the
wide usage of desk-top publishing with PCs. It is entirely up to you
now whether you adhere to the conventions or not.

Cheers,
Tsuji

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From hebaran at ATTGLOBAL.NET  Fri May 19 02:14:05 2000
From: hebaran at ATTGLOBAL.NET (Henryk Baran)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:14:05 -0400
Subject: bibliographic standards
Message-ID: <THU.18.MAY.2000.221405.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

In addition to "Spravochnaia kniga redaktora i korrektora", written by A.
Mil'chin, there is another work by the same author (leading authority in
this field): "Pamiatnaia kniga redaktora" (M., 1988). Either of the two
works would be very helpful, more so than looking at a GOST by itself.

As Dr. Yoshimasa notes, the old rules are frequently disregarded in the
post-Soviet publishing space; at present there are several different
bibliographic formats used by publishers and journals. If your question was
prompted by the need to submit something for publication in Russia, you
should look at the style followed there, and correlate it with what you find
in one of Mil'chin's exhaustive, superb guides.

Henryk Baran
University at Albany, SUNY
(201) 967-1593 (voice) (201) 967-8014 (fax)
hebaran at attglobal.net; hbaran at cnsvax.albany.edu
hbaran at mail.fipc.ru

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From eginzbur at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Fri May 19 06:12:33 2000
From: eginzbur at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (elizabeth ginzburg)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 01:12:33 -0500
Subject: bibliographic standards
Message-ID: <FRI.19.MAY.2000.011233.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I worked as a bibliographer and editor at Moscow state conservatory in
1989-93. I believe that one who needs just correct examples,might find it easier
to open any journal entitled Bibliografiia and look into References.
Liza Ginzburg

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From as at TICOM.KHARKOV.UA  Fri May 19 06:02:27 2000
From: as at TICOM.KHARKOV.UA (Alex)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 09:02:27 +0300
Subject: another elementary question
Message-ID: <FRI.19.MAY.2000.090227.0300.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Lauren Leighton wrote:
>
> a = a, b = b, v = v, g = g, e = e, e(io) = e, zh = zhm z = z, i = i, i
> (kratkii) = i or j, k = k l = l, m = m, n = n, o = o, p = p, r = r, s = s, t
> = t, u = u, f = f, x = x or kh, ts = ts or c, ch = ch, hard sign = ", y = y,
> sof sign = ', e = e, iu = iu or ju, ia = ia or ja. Piece of cake. Use
> Library of Congress system without signs. Don't use outmoded "French
> Russian" (e.g. final v = ff, zh = j, etc.

And this "system" I call "Russian-Americation". It's not a transliteration.
In reality it is a phonetic interpretation. It is acceptable for those people
who want to read a foreign word "properly" without learning a language.
It is acceptable when you are negotiating about some business matters.
I used it myself ten years ago when there were no means of sending cyrillic
through the net and I needed to send letters to some Russian emigrants. Some
of them are still using this system to make an excuse for their poor Russian
grammar and spelling I suppose. It is very useful in this case...
I read a lot of this stuff to hate it pretty well.

I think that linguists and language tutors should use another approach.

Why? Could you read for example fluently (feeling all its beauty)
the following stuff (using your system):

                   Varkolos', hlivkije shor'ki
                   Pyrialis' po nave
                   I hlukotali zeliuki
                   Kak miumziki v move

    (it is a well known verse from a well known book)

By the way! You may use this approach to any other language including
English itself!
Vai it shud bi samsin speshil? U si? It iz possibl! End weri pretti!

And please look at this:
        To ne shtooka zabich crooka, alie shtooka tsalkem shvezha...
Funny? Isn't it? But you recognize it at once if I write
        To nie sztuka zabic kruka, ale sztuka calkiem swieza...

The real transliteration should be something like that:

                         Nawa Tanq gromko pla4et
                         Uronila v re4ku mq4ik
                         Tiwe, Tane4ka, ne pla4>
                         Ne utonet v re4ke mq4

But every language is unique and you recognize it by its special graphics!
I think that using genuine cyrillic these days is quite affordable.
No more difficult than installing Windows! Absolutely. There are problems
from time to time but Windows itself full of bugs anyway! And you don't quit
it for that reason!
Things are moving ahead. MS DOS is still more reliable than Windows. But I suppose
most of you are using Windows now instead of pure DOS. (By the way, I'm
still using some DOS programs because they are more quick and reliable).
Look at this list's archive. There's plenty of good cyrillic. You may easily
adjust your system to read it properly.

Regards!

Farewell

Alex

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From rondest+ at PITT.EDU  Fri May 19 14:47:29 2000
From: rondest+ at PITT.EDU (Karen Rondestvedt)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:47:29 -0400
Subject: another elementary question
Message-ID: <FRI.19.MAY.2000.104729.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Regardless of the instrinsic merits of transliteration systems (or of
transliterating in general), many scholarly journals in the West require
it. In addition, they are likely to specify which system to use.

Library of Congress transliteration tables can be found online at
<http://infoshare1.princeton.edu:/katmandu/sgman/sltrans.html> and
<http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/LibInfo/SourcesBySubject/Slavic/images/trans-sm.

gif>.

Karen
--
Karen Rondestvedt <rondest at pitt.edu>
Slavic Bibliographer
University of Pittsburgh
University Library System

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From laurengl at PTWI.NET  Fri May 19 17:40:33 2000
From: laurengl at PTWI.NET (Lauren Leighton)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:40:33 -0500
Subject: another elementary question
In-Reply-To: <3924D8F3.AA0FC859@ticom.kharkov.ua>
Message-ID: <FRI.19.MAY.2000.124033.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

To one and all: there are THREE systems used by professionals. You may find
them all and much more in J. Thomas Shaw, Transliteration of Russian (UW
Press). I gave you a quickie version of Library of Congress and the
scientific system used by linguists and stylists. They are not
phonetic--they are established systems of transliteration. You should use
the LC system for e-mail and internet correspondence. You should not use the
old systems copied via German and French. You will probably not want to use
the scientific system because it uses a hachek for ch, sh, shch, zh et al.
You should not attempt to invent your own "Americanification" system when
you have three systems ready made by professionals. You should never use a
phonetic system.

-----Original Message-----
From: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list
[mailto:SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of Alex
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 1:02 AM
To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Re: another elementary question


Lauren Leighton wrote:
>
> a = a, b = b, v = v, g = g, e = e, e(io) = e, zh = zhm z = z, i = i, i
> (kratkii) = i or j, k = k l = l, m = m, n = n, o = o, p = p, r = r, s = s,
t
> = t, u = u, f = f, x = x or kh, ts = ts or c, ch = ch, hard sign = ", y =
y,
> sof sign = ', e = e, iu = iu or ju, ia = ia or ja. Piece of cake. Use
> Library of Congress system without signs. Don't use outmoded "French
> Russian" (e.g. final v = ff, zh = j, etc.

And this "system" I call "Russian-Americation". It's not a transliteration.
In reality it is a phonetic interpretation. It is acceptable for those
people
who want to read a foreign word "properly" without learning a language.
It is acceptable when you are negotiating about some business matters.
I used it myself ten years ago when there were no means of sending cyrillic
through the net and I needed to send letters to some Russian emigrants. Some
of them are still using this system to make an excuse for their poor Russian
grammar and spelling I suppose. It is very useful in this case...
I read a lot of this stuff to hate it pretty well.

I think that linguists and language tutors should use another approach.

Why? Could you read for example fluently (feeling all its beauty)
the following stuff (using your system):

                   Varkolos', hlivkije shor'ki
                   Pyrialis' po nave
                   I hlukotali zeliuki
                   Kak miumziki v move

    (it is a well known verse from a well known book)

By the way! You may use this approach to any other language including
English itself!
Vai it shud bi samsin speshil? U si? It iz possibl! End weri pretti!

And please look at this:
        To ne shtooka zabich crooka, alie shtooka tsalkem shvezha...
Funny? Isn't it? But you recognize it at once if I write
        To nie sztuka zabic kruka, ale sztuka calkiem swieza...

The real transliteration should be something like that:

                         Nawa Tanq gromko pla4et
                         Uronila v re4ku mq4ik
                         Tiwe, Tane4ka, ne pla4>
                         Ne utonet v re4ke mq4

But every language is unique and you recognize it by its special graphics!
I think that using genuine cyrillic these days is quite affordable.
No more difficult than installing Windows! Absolutely. There are problems
from time to time but Windows itself full of bugs anyway! And you don't quit
it for that reason!
Things are moving ahead. MS DOS is still more reliable than Windows. But I
suppose
most of you are using Windows now instead of pure DOS. (By the way, I'm
still using some DOS programs because they are more quick and reliable).
Look at this list's archive. There's plenty of good cyrillic. You may easily
adjust your system to read it properly.

Regards!

Farewell

Alex

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From dintinjana at SIOL.NET  Mon May 22 10:03:04 2000
From: dintinjana at SIOL.NET (JMD)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:03:04 +0100
Subject: Query: Mak Dizdar
Message-ID: <MON.22.MAY.2000.110304.0100.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Some additional info regarding the query posted recently about the
translator of the Stone Sleeper.
The book can be ordered directly from the publisher (DEM 70,00 + shipping,
indiv. orders):

DID - Bosanska kuca,
Talirevica 15,
Sarajevo, BiH
Tel./fax: +387 745 37 4145.
(Mr. Mulac)

I am also told that they are looking for a reliable distributor abroad.


Best regards,
Mia Dintinjana

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From Zemedelec at AOL.COM  Mon May 22 17:55:34 2000
From: Zemedelec at AOL.COM (Leslie Farmer)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:55:34 EDT
Subject: No Subject
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(reposted from rec.travel.europe: Please reply to poster, not to me!

Subject: total immersion croatian programs?
From: perast at aol.com  (Perast)
Date: Mon, May 22, 2000 7:14 PM
Message-id: <20000522131406.19108.00000757 at ng-fk1.aol.com>

Does anyone know where I can get total immersion Croatian language programs?

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From ilon at UT.EE  Mon May 22 22:39:25 2000
From: ilon at UT.EE (Ilon Fraiman)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 01:39:25 +0300
Subject: ruthenia news
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Dobryj den'.

Inogda ja poluchaju informaciju o sobytijah nauchnoj zhizni, proizoshedshih
mesjac ili
dva nazad. Eti sobytija ne objazatel'no popadajut v Hroniku, no vsegda
fiksirujutsja v Arhive. Prizyvaju vseh podpischikov lista zagljadyvat' v
razdely
"Rutenii" ne tol'ko po prislannym mnoju ssylkam, no i samostojatel'no.
Tak, naprimer, v Arhive http://www.ruthenia.ru/archiv.html sejchas
pojavilas'
informacija  o vesennih zasedanijah Otdela drevnerusskoj literatury
Pushkinskogo Doma (doklady sotrudnikov, zaschity i obsuzhdenija dissertacij,
"Malyshevskie chtenija").

Poslednie novosti "Rutenii".

V Kaluge segodnja nachinaetsja konferencija, posvjaschennaja kul'ture
russkoj
provincii:
http://www.ruthenia.ru/hronika.html?date=2000-05-23#211829

Elena Konstantinovna Romodanovskaja chitaet doklad v Pushkinskom Dome:
http://www.ruthenia.ru/hronika.html?date=2000-05-17#237895

Dzhek Kollmann - ocherednuju lekciju v Stenforde:
http://www.ruthenia.ru/hronika.html?date=2000-05-23#237817

Izdatel'stvo "Jazyki russkoj kul'tury" vypustilo novuju
knigu Borisa Andreevicha Uspenskogo:
http://www.ruthenia.ru/hronika.html?date=2000-05-20#237584

Kak vsegda, mozhno oznakomit'sja so spiskom novyh knig po russkoj filosofii,
istorii, literaturovedeniju, jazykoznaniju i fol'kloristike,
zanesennyh v ]lektronnyj katalog Rossijskoj gosudarstvennoj biblioteki:
http://www.ruthenia.ru/document/237586.html

O predstojaschej zaschite doktorskoj dissertacii na otdelenii semiotiki
Tartuskogo universiteta sm.:
http://www.ruthenia.ru/anonslist.html?date=2000-06-05#2000-06-05

V "Nemzereskah" objazatel'no prochtite (ne pozhaleete)
o poslednem rasskaze Makanina
http://www.ruthenia.ru/nemzer/mak.html
o novyh nomerah zhurnalov "Zvezda", "Znamja" i "Novyj mir":
http://www.ruthenia.ru/nemzer/3obzor.html


Ilon Fraiman
staff at ruthenia.ru
http://www.ruthenia.ru/

23/05/2000

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From dpbrowne+ at PITT.EDU  Tue May 23 03:16:15 2000
From: dpbrowne+ at PITT.EDU (Devin Browne)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 23:16:15 -0400
Subject: Russian teacher needed (fwd)
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U-32 High School, on the outskirts of Montpelier, Vermont, seeks a Russian
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From LILAC1549 at AOL.COM  Tue May 23 21:00:59 2000
From: LILAC1549 at AOL.COM (Kristina Efimenko)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:00:59 EDT
Subject: No Subject
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ASU summer session usually offers Serbo-Croatian. Kristina

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From sipkadan at EROLS.COM  Tue May 23 21:41:41 2000
From: sipkadan at EROLS.COM (Danko Sipka)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:41:41 -0400
Subject: No Subject
Message-ID: <TUE.23.MAY.2000.174141.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Kristina Efimenko wrote:

> ASU summer session usually offers Serbo-Croatian. Kristina
>

The syllabus for this course is available at:

http://main.amu.edu.pl/~sipkadan/syllabus.htm


Best,


Danko Sipka

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From ewb2 at CORNELL.EDU  Tue May 23 22:24:29 2000
From: ewb2 at CORNELL.EDU (Wayles Browne)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 18:24:29 -0400
Subject: Is "Berlin" Slavic?
In-Reply-To: <392AFB15.6EFCCBA4@erols.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.23.MAY.2000.182429.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

An anthropologist working in Germany has asked me about the origin of
the name of Berlin. Sources like Dieter Berger, Duden: geographische
Namen in Deutschland (Mannheim: Dudenverlag 1993) suggest that it is
of Slavic origin ("Old Polabian *birl-/*berl 'swamp'?"), but don't
give much detail. Does any kind reader know of a detailed study?


Wayles Browne, Assoc. Prof. of Linguistics
Department of Linguistics
Morrill Hall 321, Cornell University
Ithaca, New York 14853, U.S.A.

tel. 607-255-0712 (o), 607-273-3009 (h)
fax 607-255-2044 (write FOR W. BROWNE)
e-mail ewb2 at cornell.edu

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From kaunas4 at COMPUSERVE.COM  Tue May 23 22:32:53 2000
From: kaunas4 at COMPUSERVE.COM (richard tomback)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 18:32:53 -0400
Subject: assistance request
Message-ID: <TUE.23.MAY.2000.183253.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Do any members have any of the following they would be willing to see?
a] graded readers in Polish
b] a good beginners book to learn macedonian
          
                                                            thanks
                                                            richard

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From ewb2 at CORNELL.EDU  Tue May 23 22:53:22 2000
From: ewb2 at CORNELL.EDU (Wayles Browne)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 18:53:22 -0400
Subject: assistance request
In-Reply-To: <200005231833_MC2-A626-3DC3@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.23.MAY.2000.185322.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

>Do any members have any of the following they would be willing to see?
>a] graded readers in Polish
>b] a good beginners book to learn macedonian
>
>                                                            thanks
>                                                            richard
>
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A lot of Polish materials including readers on various topics are
published by the institute of Polonia studies of the Jagiellonian
University in Krakow.

For a long time there wasn't any good beginners book in Macedonian,
but now there is:
Christina Kramer, Macedonian: A Course for Beginning and Intermediate
Students. University of Wisconsin Press, Madison and London 1999.

There will be CDs with audio and video supplements coming out soon,
from what I hear.


Wayles Browne, Assoc. Prof. of Linguistics
Department of Linguistics
Morrill Hall 321, Cornell University
Ithaca, New York 14853, U.S.A.

tel. 607-255-0712 (o), 607-273-3009 (h)
fax 607-255-2044 (write FOR W. BROWNE)
e-mail ewb2 at cornell.edu

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From colkitto at SPRINT.CA  Wed May 24 04:02:00 2000
From: colkitto at SPRINT.CA (Robert Orr)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 00:02:00 -0400
Subject: Is "Berlin" Slavic?
Message-ID: <WED.24.MAY.2000.000200.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I don't have my authorities (!?) available, but I think (?!) "Berlin" might
be related to the root *bor- (as in OCS brati, R. borot' (also R "zabor"))
"fight, defend".

Robert Orr

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From hetzer at UNI-BREMEN.DE  Wed May 24 08:46:08 2000
From: hetzer at UNI-BREMEN.DE (AHetzer)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 09:46:08 +0100
Subject: Is "Berlin" Slavic?
Message-ID: <WED.24.MAY.2000.094608.0100.>

Wayles Browne wrote:
>
> An anthropologist working in Germany has asked me about the origin of
> the name of Berlin.

snip

All place names in East Germany ending in -in (with stress on /i:/) are
supposed to be of Slavic origin. As to Berlin, the same holds true, but
the etymology is not quite clear, some people think it may derive from
berl- with the meaning 'palka' (stick, log).

Whereas some places of the region continue Slavic settlements, there is
no archeological evidence, that at the place of Berlin was a Slavic
dwelling site prior to German colonization. Cf. Joachim Herrmann (ed.)
Die Slawen in Deutschland. Ein Handbuch. Berlin (GDR): Akademie Verlag
1970, p. 367

Kind regards
AHetzer

--
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URL: http://www1.uni-bremen.de/~hetzer
Mailto: a_hetzer at yahoo.de; nikom at flashmail.com

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From mitrege at AUBURN.EDU  Wed May 24 14:22:56 2000
From: mitrege at AUBURN.EDU (George Mitrevski)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 09:22:56 -0500
Subject: FWD: GENNADJI SPIRIN
Message-ID: <WED.24.MAY.2000.092256.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

This is a forwarded message. Please respond directly to the original sender.

>===== Original Message From "Marie Koenig" <marie.koenig at wanadoo.be> =====
Bonjour.
excusez le francais, je ne parle pas votre langue.
Je recherche toutes informatione/contacts avec GENNADJI SPIRIN, illustrateur
Merci d'une réponse
=================================================================

***************************************************************
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6030 Haley Center           e-mail: mitrege at auburn.edu
Auburn University        voicemail: 435-806-7037
Auburn, AL 36849-5204

Web: http://www.auburn.edu/~mitrege/
Buy my used books in Macedonian and other Slavic languages:
http://semiology.safeshopper.com/
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From mclaughlin.77 at OSU.EDU  Wed May 24 14:35:26 2000
From: mclaughlin.77 at OSU.EDU (Danielle McLaughlin)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 10:35:26 -0400
Subject: The Kenneth E. Naylor Young Scholar's Prize in South Slavic and
 Balkan Linguistics
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RE-ANNOUNCING:

The Kenneth E. Naylor Young Scholar's Prize in South Slavic and Balkan
Linguistics

NOTE:  We have altered the eligibility criteria slightly (from ABD to
'advanced graduate student' status', i.e. beyond the first year of study)
and are thus extending the deadline to SEPTEMBER 15.

We look forward to submissions from interested parties.



In memory of Kenneth E. Naylor, Balkanist and South Slavic linguist par
excellence, the Naylor Professorship in South Slavic Linguistics in the
Department of Slavic and East European Languages and Literatures at The Ohio
State University has established a prize of $500 for the best unpublished
paper by a young scholar on a topic in Balkan or South Slavic linguistics.

We thus solicit papers written in English by young scholars -- defined for
this competition as an advanced graduate student (who is beyond his/her
first year of study) or someone who is no more than three years beyond the
awarding of the Ph.D. degree at the time of submission -- that treats some
topic either in Balkan linguistics, taking a comparative approach and
treating at least two languages of Southeastern Europe, or in any of the
South Slavic languages on their own or in relation to the other languages.

In order to be eligible, the submitted paper must be unpublished, and not
under consideration for publication at the time of submission; however,
papers that have appeared in an issue of a "Working Papers" series are still
eligible for consideration in the competition.  Those that have appeared in
conference proceedings volumes of any sort are not eligible, unless they are
substantially revised and/or expanded.  Written versions of papers that have
been presented at a conference are eligible, as are chapters of
dissertations.  In all cases, however, the Committee will look for
self-contained scholarly articles of publishable quality that treat some
relevant topic (as spelled out above) in an interesting and insightful way,
following any appropriate approach (historical, synchronic, sociolinguistic,
etc.) and any theoretical framework.

Interested scholars should submit four copies of the paper along with an
abstract (no longer than 250 words) and a cover sheet with the title of the
paper, the author's name, affiliation, mailing address, e-mail address,
phone and fax numbers, date of General Examination or Ph.D. (as the case may
be), and social security number, to:

 Naylor Prize Competition
 Department of Slavic and East European Languages and Literatures
 232 Cunz Hall
 The Ohio State University
 Columbus, Ohio  USA  43210.

The deadline for receipt of the papers in the Department for the first
competition is SEPTEMBER 15, 2000.  The Screening Committee, consisting of
the Naylor Professor and former speakers in the annual Kenneth E. Naylor
Memorial Lecture series, expects to make the announcement of the winner by
December 1, 2000.  The winning paper will be published in an issue of the
journal Balkanistica.  The Committee reserves the right not to award the
Prize in a given year.

Please address any inquiries to the Naylor Professor, Brian D. Joseph, at
the above address or via e-mail at joseph.1 at osu.edu.

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From sipkadan at EROLS.COM  Wed May 24 21:57:23 2000
From: sipkadan at EROLS.COM (Danko Sipka)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:57:23 -0400
Subject: assistance request
Message-ID: <WED.24.MAY.2000.175723.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Wayles Browne wrote:

>
> A lot of Polish materials including readers on various topics are
> published by the institute of Polonia studies of the Jagiellonian
> University in Krakow.
>

Their Web page is:

http://www.uj.edu.pl/Polonia/

Best,

Danko Sika

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From dpbrowne+ at PITT.EDU  Thu May 25 00:04:17 2000
From: dpbrowne+ at PITT.EDU (Devin Browne)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 20:04:17 -0400
Subject: AAC PRESIDENTIAL SEARCH - PRAGUE (fwd)
Message-ID: <WED.24.MAY.2000.200417.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

---------- Forwarded Message ----------rDate: Wed, May 24, 2000 4:40 PM
+0200rFrom: Richard Smith <richard.smith at aac.edu>rTo:
"'dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu'" <dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu>rSubject: AAC PRESIDENTIAL
SEARCH - PRAGUEr
Greetings,

The Anglo-American College, Prague, has begun a presidential search.

Please pass this announcement on to anyone you feel might be qualified or
has contact with those who might be qualified.

Thank you very much for your assistance.

Richard L. Smith, Ph.D.
President

  <<President'sAd.doc>>

---------- End Forwarded Message ----------r


Devin P Browne
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu

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From delle at TACONIC.NET  Thu May 25 05:02:13 2000
From: delle at TACONIC.NET (Mary Delle LeBeau)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 01:02:13 -0400
Subject: Book search
Message-ID: <THU.25.MAY.2000.010213.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELANGS:

Can anyone suggest how I might find a copy of two books that seem to be out
of print?  I would be happy to find a used copy.

     Daum and Schenk, The Russian Verb
     Fasmir, Dictionary of Etymology

Thanking you in advance for your assistance,

Mary Delle LeBeau

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From richardk at WINS.UVA.NL  Thu May 25 09:12:08 2000
From: richardk at WINS.UVA.NL (Richard Kellermann)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:12:08 +0200
Subject: Book search
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000525010213.00799db0@mail.taconic.net>
Message-ID: <THU.25.MAY.2000.111208.0200.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

At 01:02 AM 5/25/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Dear SEELANGS:
>
>Can anyone suggest how I might find a copy of two books that seem to be out
>of print?  I would be happy to find a used copy.
>
>     Daum and Schenk, The Russian Verb
>     Fasmir, Dictionary of Etymology
>
>Thanking you in advance for your assistance,
>
>Mary Delle LeBeau
>

Hi Mary,

I think you are looking for:

        A: Vasmer, Max, 1886-1962.
       T: Etimologicheskii slovar' russkogo iazyka
       E: Izd. 2., stereotipnoe.
       P: Moskva ; Progress, 1986-
       L: HBLL (two volumes) PG 2580 .V3717x 1986

cf:     http://humanities.byu.edu/classes/ling450ch/etydict11.html

Good luck,
Richard

--
Richard Kellermann

Informatica Instituut / Informatics Institute
Universiteit van Amsterdam
Faculteit der Natuurwetenschappen, Wiskunde en Informatica / Faculty of
Science
Kruislaan 403
1098 SJ  Amsterdam
The Netherlands

+31 020 525 7556 (b.g.g. 525 7460)

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From RUP99KLM at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK  Thu May 25 08:58:32 2000
From: RUP99KLM at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (K.L.Moody)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:58:32 +0100
Subject: Russian Television
Message-ID: <THU.25.MAY.2000.095832.0100.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Seelangers,

I have a query about Russian television. Until recently I have been
watching an analogue broadcast of ORT here in the UK. The
University has recently switched to digital.

Is there a different version of ORT being broadcast for non-Russian
countries? I have noticed that under the ORT slogan there is the
word "mezhdunarodnnoe". I am sure this wasn't there when I
watched the analogue channel.

I am asking because I am interested in the advertising, and there
seems to be very little advertising shown on the digital channel. I
was also wondering if there were any other Russian digital
channels that are available in the UK.

Any information would be greatfully received.

best wishes
Karen Moody

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From kenneth.udut at SPCORP.COM  Thu May 25 12:15:27 2000
From: kenneth.udut at SPCORP.COM (Udut, Kenneth)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:15:27 -0400
Subject: FW: Russian Television
Message-ID: <THU.25.MAY.2000.081527.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

That would be the "international" (Mezhdunarodnnoe I *think*
means International) version of the station.

In the states, I get NTV and NTV+
in what I think are special international or USA
versions (there are very very few advertisements),
from DISH networks.

-----Original Message-----
From: K.L.Moody [mailto:RUP99KLM at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK]
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 4:59 AM
To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Russian Television


Dear Seelangers,

I have a query about Russian television. Until recently I have been
watching an analogue broadcast of ORT here in the UK. The
University has recently switched to digital.

Is there a different version of ORT being broadcast for non-Russian
countries? I have noticed that under the ORT slogan there is the
word "mezhdunarodnnoe". I am sure this wasn't there when I
watched the analogue channel.

I am asking because I am interested in the advertising, and there
seems to be very little advertising shown on the digital channel. I
was also wondering if there were any other Russian digital
channels that are available in the UK.

Any information would be greatfully received.

best wishes
Karen Moody

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From scola at CREIGHTON.EDU  Thu May 25 12:22:02 2000
From: scola at CREIGHTON.EDU (SCOLA Staff)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 07:22:02 -0500
Subject: Russian Television
In-Reply-To: <FF1CAA3337A@ashopton.shef.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <THU.25.MAY.2000.072202.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

SCOLA carries Russsian News via the internet at www.scola.org then
clicking on the "Live Video Streaming" icon.  Real Player Freeware is
required to use the streaming.  We also offer programming from
Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Kazakhstan, Estonia, Romania, Czech Republic,
Lithuania, Latvia, Poland, Slovenia, Croatia, and Uzbekistan.

I apologize in advance if some of the countries listed above don't fit
into the Slavic  or East European Language category (or if I left any
out that SCOLA carries.  Our entire program schedules are also on our
website listed above.  Times are in US Central Time (- six hours GMT).

Joe Gulizia
SCOLA Video Production Manager and Internet Coordinator


On Thu, 25 May 2000, K.L.Moody wrote:

> Dear Seelangers,
>
> I have a query about Russian television. Until recently I have been
> watching an analogue broadcast of ORT here in the UK. The
> University has recently switched to digital.
>
> Is there a different version of ORT being broadcast for non-Russian
> countries? I have noticed that under the ORT slogan there is the
> word "mezhdunarodnnoe". I am sure this wasn't there when I
> watched the analogue channel.
>
> I am asking because I am interested in the advertising, and there
> seems to be very little advertising shown on the digital channel. I
> was also wondering if there were any other Russian digital
> channels that are available in the UK.
>
> Any information would be greatfully received.
>
> best wishes
> Karen Moody
>
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From Zemedelec at AOL.COM  Thu May 25 14:21:29 2000
From: Zemedelec at AOL.COM (Leslie Farmer)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:21:29 EDT
Subject: Russian Television
Message-ID: <THU.25.MAY.2000.102129.EDT.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

SCOLA (check its website) broadcasts in Russian throughout the US.  I don't
know if it's digital or not.

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From s.hutchings at SURREY.AC.UK  Thu May 25 15:43:04 2000
From: s.hutchings at SURREY.AC.UK (Stephen Hutchings)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 15:43:04 +0000
Subject: No subject
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From s.hutchings at SURREY.AC.UK  Thu May 25 15:56:00 2000
From: s.hutchings at SURREY.AC.UK (Stephen Hutchings)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:56:00 -0400
Subject: job opportunity
Message-ID: <THU.25.MAY.2000.115600.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

University of Surrey, UK

SCHOOL OF LANGUAGE, LAW AND INTERNATIONAL STUDIES

RESEARCH OFFICER IN LITERATURE AND VISUAL MEDIA RESEARCH GROUP

Applications are invited for a three-year post on an AHRB-funded project
ÔModern Russian Literature and the Camera MediaÕ. The post will be in
newly formed Literature and Visual Media Research Group, which
specialises in the interface between literary culture and camera image
from photography, through film, to television.  The project will be directed
by Dr Stephen Hutchings. The starting salary will be up to £18,185 per
annum, depending on age and experience.

Candidates should have excellent Russian and a thorough grounding in
modern Russian culture.  Knowledge of literary and cultural theory would
be an advantage, along with good IT skills.  A PhD in the area of Russian
Cultural Studies is highly desirable.

The job will involve collecting, recording and analysing data across a
range of media, presenting project findings, contribute to joint
publications relating to the project and participating in the activities of
the research group.

Informal enquiries may be made to Stephen Hutchings
(s.hutchings at surrey.ac.uk).  Applicants are encouraged to consult the
web page of the Russian Section of the Department of Linguistic and
International Studies (http://www.surrey.ac.uk/LIS/Russian/).

For an application pack, please telephone 01483 873846 or e-mail
a.fleming at surrey.ac.uk or write to the Personnel Department (af),
University of Surrey, Guildford, Surrey, GU2 5XH.  Please supply your postal
address, where you saw the advertisement and the vacancy reference
number 2141/af.  Please do not supply any information until you have
received the application pack.  The closing date for written applications
is Friday 23 June 2000. Interviews will be held during week commencing
10 July 2000.

Visit the University Web Site at http://www.surrey.ac.uk/
The University is committed to an Equal Opportunities Policy

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From: AHRJJ at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (Alex Rudd)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:06:04 EDT
Subject: SEELANGS Administrivia - Attachments on the list
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From a.jameson at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Thu May 25 15:11:20 2000
From: a.jameson at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Andrew Jameson)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:11:20 +0100
Subject: Book search
Message-ID: <THU.25.MAY.2000.161120.0100.>

Try Thorntons for a quotation.
Thorntons
E-mail Address(es):
  Thorntons at booknews.demon.co.uk
  Company: Thorntons

Andrew Jameson
Chair, Russian Committee, ALL
Languages and Professional Development
1 Brook Street, Lancaster LA1 1SL UK
Tel: 01524 32371  (+44 1524 32371)

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From: Mary Delle LeBeau <delle at TACONIC.NET>
To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Book search
Date: 25 May 2000 06:02

Dear SEELANGS:

Can anyone suggest how I might find a copy of two books that seem to be out
of print?  I would be happy to find a used copy.

     Daum and Schenk, The Russian Verb
     Fasmir, Dictionary of Etymology

Thanking you in advance for your assistance,

Mary Delle LeBeau

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From hetzer at UNI-BREMEN.DE  Thu May 25 19:02:20 2000
From: hetzer at UNI-BREMEN.DE (AHetzer)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:02:20 +0100
Subject: Book search
Message-ID: <THU.25.MAY.2000.200220.0100.>

Mary Delle LeBeau wrote:
>
> Dear SEELANGS:
>
> Can anyone suggest how I might find a copy of two books that seem to be out
> of print?  I would be happy to find a used copy.
>
>      Daum and Schenk, The Russian Verb
>      Fasmir, Dictionary of Etymology
>
> Thanking you in advance for your assistance,
>
> Mary Delle LeBeau
>
Perhaps the original German Edition of Max Vasmer's Russisches
Etymologisches Wörterbuch (later on translated into Russian in USSR) is
still available at C. Winter (publishing house) Heidelberg.

Daum & Schenk: Russische Verben, is a reference book, originally
published in GDR. As far as I know it is distributed now by
Langenscheidt (Munich & Berlin), since that publisher has bought the
Enzyklopädie Verlag, Leipzig.

Kind regards
AHetzer
--
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URL: http://www1.uni-bremen.de/~hetzer
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From mitrege at AUBURN.EDU  Thu May 25 18:37:28 2000
From: mitrege at AUBURN.EDU (George Mitrevski)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:37:28 -0500
Subject: FWD: Studying Russian Art
Message-ID: <THU.25.MAY.2000.133728.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Please respond to original sender, if you can be of any help.

>===== Original Message From msamu at wellesley.edu (Margaret A. Samu) =====

I am currently a junior at Wellesley College majoring in Art History and
French, and am interested in going to graduate school for Art History.
During my studies here, I have developed an interest in Russian literature
-- I have taken all of two courses in 19th c. literature, but still, it's
growing on me.  It is probably my background as a ballet dancer (between
high school and college) that has led me to become interested in the
intersection of French and Russian culture.

In my search for graduate schools, I am having trouble finding scholars
who specialize in Russian art.  I would prefer 19th century, but 20th
century would be all right, too.  If you have any suggestions, I would be
very grateful if you would pass them along.

Sincerely,
Margaret Samu

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Foreign Languages              fax: 334-844-6378
6030 Haley Center           e-mail: mitrege at auburn.edu
Auburn University        voicemail: 435-806-7037
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From mitrege at AUBURN.EDU  Thu May 25 18:52:28 2000
From: mitrege at AUBURN.EDU (George Mitrevski)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:52:28 -0500
Subject: FWD: Vasnetsov's painting
Message-ID: <THU.25.MAY.2000.135228.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Yet another request for info. Please respond directly to original sender.

>===== Original Message From Tatiana <tatiana at ct.ufsm.br> =====

One of our Brazilian freinds is interested in Russian art. It has started
with a collection of Russian stamps. Vasnetsov's The Worrior at the
Crossroads facinated him so much that he commissioned a reproduction of the
painting to the local artist. But the artist cannot reproduce the
inscription on the stone. He would also like to know the actual size of
this work of art. I'll appreceate any details you can share with me.
Looking forward to your response.
Sincerely,
Tatiana
tatiana at ct.ufsm.br

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From tancockk at UVIC.CA  Thu May 25 19:50:15 2000
From: tancockk at UVIC.CA (Kat Tancock)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:50:15 -0700
Subject: Russian keyboard encodings
Message-ID: <THU.25.MAY.2000.125015.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Hi,

I'm looking for an expert in Russian keyboard encodings. If anyone is out
there, could you email me privately? I'm wondering if it's possible to
transfer a file in Russian from Mac to PC. I know a lot about encodings on
Mac, but not so much about Windows.

Hope to hear from someone,

Kat
--
Kat Tancock
UVic Language Centre
http://web.uvic.ca/langcen
tancockk at uvic.ca

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From slbaehr at VT.EDU  Fri May 26 02:11:08 2000
From: slbaehr at VT.EDU (Stephen L. Baehr)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 22:11:08 -0400
Subject: SEEJ Editor Search
Message-ID: <THU.25.MAY.2000.221108.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

<<<<
Kevin Platt has requested that I forward the following message about the
search for a new editor of SEEJ. Please note that the deadline is coming up
quickly; some flexibility, however, may be possible if interested
candidates contact Prof. Platt before June 1.

Please send any queries to Prof. Platt at the address below (not to me).
Thanks.

Steve Baehr
>>>>


The Publications Committee of AATSEEL announces the search for a new editor
of SEEJ.

The current editor, Professor Stephen L. Baehr, will step down in December
of 2001, following publication of issue no. 4 of that year. The appointment
of his successor will cover the subsequent five volumes of SEEJ (through
issue no. 4, 2006). In order to insure a smooth transition, tasks will be
transferred in stages, beginning in July 2001. The new editor will assume
total responsibility as of January 1, 2002. A modest honorarium accompanies
this position.

The position requires a serious commitment to the field of Slavic languages
and literatures as demonstrated by an established reputation as a scholar
and teacher. Those interested should submit a proposal including, but not
limited to, the following: (1) their curriculum vitae and those of proposed
associate and/or assistant editors; (2) a discussion of the qualifications
of the proposed personnel; (3) their views of the future of SEEJ, including
any proposed changes from its present format; (4) a proposed budget
detailing the extent of potential support provided by their home
institutions (e.g., released time, student or graduate assistants, postage,
telephone, office space, word-processing facilities); and (5) a statement
of support from the department chair and/or dean.

It is desirable (but not required) that item (1) above includes the
designation of a book review editor. The term of the current book review
editor, Sibelan Forrester, expires in August of the year 2001. If the
proposed new book review editor is at a different institution than the
proposed editor, a description of the support to be provided by the home
institution of the book review editor should accompany the application.

The publications committee will begin to review applications in June of
2000, and intends to select a new editor by September 2000. Preliminary
inquiries about the position are strongly encouraged. Applications and
requests for further information may be directed to Professor Kevin Platt,
Department of German and Russian, Pomona College, 550 N. Harvard Avenue,
Claremont, CA 91711 (kplatt at pomona.edu).
--



Associate Professor Kevin M. F. Platt

<mailto:kplatt at pomona.edu>kplatt at pomona.edu
<http://pages2.pomona.edu/~kplatt>http://pages2.pomona.edu/~kplatt

<http://www.russian.pomona.edu/index.html>Department of German and Russian
Language and Literature
<http://www.pomona.edu/>Pomona College
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Claremont, CA 91711
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Fax: 909-621-8065




<<<<


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Stephen L. Baehr
(NOTE NEW E-MAIL: slbaehr at vt.edu)
Professor of Russian
Editor, +Slavic and East European Journal+
Department of Foreign Languages and Literatures
Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
Blacksburg, VA 24061-0225
Phones: (540) 231-8323 (Direct); 231-9846 (SEEJ Ed. Asst.).
FAX: (540)-231-4812
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From jmdavis at FAS.HARVARD.EDU  Fri May 26 16:27:22 2000
From: jmdavis at FAS.HARVARD.EDU (Jolanta M. Davis)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:27:22 -0400
Subject: Russian Studies Majors
In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000419114815.00995960@facstaff.wisc.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.26.MAY.2000.122722.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Professor Rifkin,
This is Jolanta Davis, publications coordinator and NewsNet editor at
AAASS. Please let me know when you are planning to start admitting students
to this new track of studies. Would you (or anyone else from the new
program) be willing to write some time in the future (perhaps a year after
the program has started) an article for NewsNet about the process of
setting up this program?
Sincerely,
Jolanta Davis
p.s. If I may ask - what made you decide not to renew your membership with
AAASS for this year? As I am fairly new in my position I have been trying
to figure out how to serve AAASS members and NewsNet readers the best I can
and I would appreciate any comments from you regarding this matter.

At 12:50 PM 4/19/00 , you wrote:
>Dear Colleagues:
>
>The Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures at UW-Madison is
>considering opening up another major track, in addition to an existing
>major in Russian language and literature.  This new track would be in
>Russian Studies or Russian Language and Civilization, and would allow
>students to take courses toward the major in area studies disciplines.
>
>If you teach in a Slavic Department, Russian Department, or Modern Language
>Department, and have an undergraduate major or major track that allows
>students to take area studies courses (not exclusively courses in Russian
>literature), please write me off-list to let me know how your majors are
>configured.
>
>Thank you!
>
>Ben Rifkin
>
>
>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Benjamin Rifkin, Assoc. Prof. of Slavic Languages, UW-Madison
>Coordinator of Russian-Language Instruction
>1432 Van Hise Hall, 1220 Linden Dr., Madison, WI  53706
>voice:  608/262-1623; fax:  608/265-2814
>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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From brifkin at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU  Fri May 26 19:21:45 2000
From: brifkin at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU (Benjamin Rifkin)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:21:45 -0500
Subject: Russian Studies Majors
In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000526122204.00ac8d40@imap.fas.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.26.MAY.2000.142145.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Jolanta:

Please, call me Ben.

We are thinking about adding a track to our major that would be in Russian
Studies.  I would be willing to write something about it for Newsnet only
after the change is made.  That would be no earlier than the end of this
calendar year.

I decided not to renew my membership in AAASS because my research and
teaching focus on language and language -- for AAASS -- seems, at best, to
be an afterthought.  Slavic Review does not publish articles on language
teaching (and I'm not arguing it should, just recognizing the fact) and the
AAASS conference has precious few panels and papers on language teaching.
The AAASS conference almost always conflicts with the ACTFL conference, so
I have never attended the AAASS conference (despite the temptation of
Hawaii).  For all these reasons, I've decided not to renew my membership in
AAASS this year, although I wholeheartedly support the organization and its
membership because the cause of area studies is dear to us all.

- Ben

PS If you want me to write something for Newsnet, please get in touch with
me in November.



At 12:27 PM 5/26/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Dear Professor Rifkin,
>This is Jolanta Davis, publications coordinator and NewsNet editor at
>AAASS. Please let me know when you are planning to start admitting students
>to this new track of studies. Would you (or anyone else from the new
>program) be willing to write some time in the future (perhaps a year after
>the program has started) an article for NewsNet about the process of
>setting up this program?
>Sincerely,
>Jolanta Davis
>p.s. If I may ask - what made you decide not to renew your membership with
>AAASS for this year? As I am fairly new in my position I have been trying
>to figure out how to serve AAASS members and NewsNet readers the best I can
>and I would appreciate any comments from you regarding this matter.
>
>At 12:50 PM 4/19/00 , you wrote:
>>Dear Colleagues:
>>
>>The Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures at UW-Madison is
>>considering opening up another major track, in addition to an existing
>>major in Russian language and literature.  This new track would be in
>>Russian Studies or Russian Language and Civilization, and would allow
>>students to take courses toward the major in area studies disciplines.
>>
>>If you teach in a Slavic Department, Russian Department, or Modern Language
>>Department, and have an undergraduate major or major track that allows
>>students to take area studies courses (not exclusively courses in Russian
>>literature), please write me off-list to let me know how your majors are
>>configured.
>>
>>Thank you!
>>
>>Ben Rifkin
>>
>>
>>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Benjamin Rifkin, Assoc. Prof. of Slavic Languages, UW-Madison
>>Coordinator of Russian-Language Instruction
>>1432 Van Hise Hall, 1220 Linden Dr., Madison, WI  53706
>>voice:  608/262-1623; fax:  608/265-2814
>>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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From brifkin at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU  Fri May 26 19:44:58 2000
From: brifkin at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU (Benjamin Rifkin)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:44:58 -0500
Subject: my apologies
Message-ID: <FRI.26.MAY.2000.144458.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELANGERs:

My apologies to all SEELANGs Subscribers. I'm using a new e-mail program
and didn't see that Jolanta's message came to me on the listserv when I
replied to her.  I apologize for cluttering your in-boxes!

- Ben Rifkin


        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Coordinator of Russian-Language Instruction
1432 Van Hise Hall, 1220 Linden Dr., Madison, WI  53706
voice:  608/262-1623; fax:  608/265-2814
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From jmdavis at FAS.HARVARD.EDU  Fri May 26 20:29:44 2000
From: jmdavis at FAS.HARVARD.EDU (Jolanta M. Davis)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 16:29:44 -0400
Subject: my apologies
In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000526144415.00944260@facstaff.wisc.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.26.MAY.2000.162944.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

And my apologies too, for not noticing that my message for Prof. Rifkin was
going to SEELANGS instead to his personal address.
However, if anyone does want to offer pointers on AAASS, it's services, and
especially on NewsNet -- I'm all ears.
Jolanta Davis



At 03:44 PM 5/26/00 , you wrote:
>Dear SEELANGERs:
>
>My apologies to all SEELANGs Subscribers. I'm using a new e-mail program
>and didn't see that Jolanta's message came to me on the listserv when I
>replied to her.  I apologize for cluttering your in-boxes!
>
>- Ben Rifkin
>
>
>         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Benjamin Rifkin, Assoc. Prof. of Slavic Languages, UW-Madison
>Coordinator of Russian-Language Instruction
>1432 Van Hise Hall, 1220 Linden Dr., Madison, WI  53706
>voice:  608/262-1623; fax:  608/265-2814

Jolanta M. Davis
Publications Coordinator
American Association for the Advancement of Slavic Studies (AAASS)
8 Story Street
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From gadassov at WANADOO.FR  Fri May 26 20:30:19 2000
From: gadassov at WANADOO.FR (Adassovsky Georges)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 21:30:19 +0100
Subject: Russian keyboard encodings
In-Reply-To: <B552D206.9CD%tancockk@uvic.ca>
Message-ID: <FRI.26.MAY.2000.213019.0100.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

>Hi,
>
>I'm looking for an expert in Russian keyboard encodings. If anyone is out
>there, could you email me privately? I'm wondering if it's possible to
>transfer a file in Russian from Mac to PC. I know a lot about encodings on
>Mac, but not so much about Windows.

I'm not an expert, but I use a Mac, and send files to PC.
I use Eudora, with "Eudora cyrillic tables" as a plug in. (free on the site)
You need:
1) cyrillic Mac fonts
2) cyrillic keyboard (inside "system")

Once you have set up the keyboard flag, at the top right of your menu bar,
to "Russian", and the font of "Eudora" on some Mac Russian, you type your
message (need to know the Russian keyboard by heart, it's not QWERTY!).
After that, you go to to "message", "change", and "translitteration".
You choose the translitteration to the system of your correspondent (you
need to know his system)

Not very simple, but that work.

Georges.

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From tancockk at UVIC.CA  Fri May 26 21:11:18 2000
From: tancockk at UVIC.CA (Kat Tancock)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:11:18 -0700
Subject: russian encodings
Message-ID: <FRI.26.MAY.2000.141118.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Thanks to everyone who replied to my call for help! I got so many messages I
don't know what to do with them! I'll try and sort through them soon and
I'll post any general useful information for anyone who's interested.

Have a good weekend,

Kat
--
Kat Tancock
UVic Language Centre
http://web.uvic.ca/langcen
tancockk at uvic.ca

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From S.Brouwer at LET.RUG.NL  Fri May 26 22:15:26 2000
From: S.Brouwer at LET.RUG.NL (Sander Brouwer)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 23:15:26 +0100
Subject: Sumarokov
In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000526162738.00ac15f0@imap.fas.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.26.MAY.2000.231526.0100.>

Dear colleagues,

For those interested in the theme of samozvanchestvo in Russian
literature and/or Russian XVIII century tragedy I have made
available on my homepage

http://www.oprit.rug.nl/brouwer02/

the full text of Sumarokov's "Dimitrii Samozvanets" with page
references to Iu.V.Stennik's 1990 edition in the Biblioteka russkoi
dramaturgii. Come and get it!

Greetings
Sander Brouwer

S.Brouwer Faculty of Arts Slavic Dept Univ. of Groningen
Oude Kijk in 't Jatstraat 26
P.O.Box 716  9700 AS Groningen   The Netherlands
tel: +31 50 3636062   home: +31 50 3119769
fax: +31 50 3635821   www.oprit.rug.nl/brouwer02
***********************************************************
Izuchenie russkoi istorii mozhet portit' samye luchshie umy
                                              T.Granovskii
                           * * *
Sebe ya svoi li sam?
             A.Sumarokov [Georgii, "Dimitrii Samozvanets"]
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From alancarmack at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU  Sat May 27 18:16:43 2000
From: alancarmack at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU (Joseph Alan Carmack)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 14:16:43 -0400
Subject: How safe is Moscow for Americans?
Message-ID: <SAT.27.MAY.2000.141643.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I am coming across a barrage of warnings of "frequent crimes aimed at
Americans and Westerners", including theft, assault, muggings and pick-
pocketing (especially at the airport, trains stations, in the metro, and in
cabs already occupied by another passenger); burglary of hotel rooms;
attacks by "squads" of gypsy children who appear from nowhere and stick
pins in you; even news of drugged drinks and compartment break-ins on the
Moscow-Petersburg overnighter... etc." And this is in Moscow. Petersburg
apparently has a 30% higher crime rate.

The UK Foreign and Commonwealth office gives the most staid account:

"Russian cities have their fair share of crime. Visitors should be vigilant
and keep money and valuables out of sight. Be wary in Moscow of groups of
women and children who beg and pick pockets around the main railway
concourses sometimes targeting tourists. Use officially marked taxis and do
not share them with strangers. The armed violence in major cities between
rival criminal gangs is not directed against foreigners."

The US State Dept phrases it this way:

"Crime against foreigners is a problem, especially in major cities.
Pickpocketings, assaults, and robberies occur frequently and at any time or
place. The most vulnerable areas include underground walkways and the
subway, overnight trains, train stations, airports, markets, tourist
attractions, restaurants, hotel rooms, and residences, even when locked or
occupied. Groups of children are known to assault and rob foreigners on
city streets or underground walkways. Foreigners who have been drinking
alcohol are especially vulnerable to assault and robbery in or around
nightclubs or bars, or on their way home. Robberies may occur in taxis
shared with strangers. Travelers have found it safer to travel in groups
organized by reputable tour agencies. "

Fielding's DangerFinder (http://www.fieldingtravel.com/df/index.htm) says:

"In Moscow alone, in 1993, there were 5000 murders and 20,000 incidents of
violent crime. The local population easily recognizes U.S. tourists and
business travelers as foreigners because of their clothing, accessories and
behavior. American visitors tend to experience a relatively high incidence
of certain types of crime, such as physical assaults and pickpocketing of
wallets, traveler's checks, passports and cameras on the street, in hotels,
in restaurants and in high-density tourist areas."

JAC
Pflugerville, TX

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From hebaran at ATTGLOBAL.NET  Sat May 27 18:52:05 2000
From: hebaran at ATTGLOBAL.NET (Henryk Baran)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 14:52:05 -0400
Subject: How safe is Moscow for Americans?
Message-ID: <SAT.27.MAY.2000.145205.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

In my view, these passages do not reflect the current situation in Moscow
and Petersburg; hesitate to say much about other cities. Yes, there are some
dangers, the kind that exist in any major city -- e.g. NYC, Milan -- but the
street crime situation is far better than it was in the early 1990s. You do
need to be street-smart, of course, but that's a requirement for urban
living anywhere.
Henryk Baran
University at Albany, SUNY
(201) 967-1593 (voice) (201) 967-8014 (fax)
hebaran at attglobal.net; hbaran at cnsvax.albany.edu
hbaran at mail.fipc.ru

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Alan Carmack" <alancarmack at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU>
To: <SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000 2:16 PM
Subject: How safe is Moscow for Americans?


> I am coming across a barrage of warnings of "frequent crimes aimed at
> Americans and Westerners", including theft, assault, muggings and pick-
> pocketing (especially at the airport, trains stations, in the metro, and
in
> cabs already occupied by another passenger); burglary of hotel rooms;
> attacks by "squads" of gypsy children who appear from nowhere and stick
> pins in you; even news of drugged drinks and compartment break-ins on the
> Moscow-Petersburg overnighter... etc." And this is in Moscow. Petersburg
> apparently has a 30% higher crime rate.
>
> The UK Foreign and Commonwealth office gives the most staid account:
>
> "Russian cities have their fair share of crime. Visitors should be
vigilant
> and keep money and valuables out of sight. Be wary in Moscow of groups of
> women and children who beg and pick pockets around the main railway
> concourses sometimes targeting tourists. Use officially marked taxis and
do
> not share them with strangers. The armed violence in major cities between
> rival criminal gangs is not directed against foreigners."
>
> The US State Dept phrases it this way:
>
> "Crime against foreigners is a problem, especially in major cities.
> Pickpocketings, assaults, and robberies occur frequently and at any time
or
> place. The most vulnerable areas include underground walkways and the
> subway, overnight trains, train stations, airports, markets, tourist
> attractions, restaurants, hotel rooms, and residences, even when locked or
> occupied. Groups of children are known to assault and rob foreigners on
> city streets or underground walkways. Foreigners who have been drinking
> alcohol are especially vulnerable to assault and robbery in or around
> nightclubs or bars, or on their way home. Robberies may occur in taxis
> shared with strangers. Travelers have found it safer to travel in groups
> organized by reputable tour agencies. "
>
> Fielding's DangerFinder (http://www.fieldingtravel.com/df/index.htm) says:
>
> "In Moscow alone, in 1993, there were 5000 murders and 20,000 incidents of
> violent crime. The local population easily recognizes U.S. tourists and
> business travelers as foreigners because of their clothing, accessories
and
> behavior. American visitors tend to experience a relatively high incidence
> of certain types of crime, such as physical assaults and pickpocketing of
> wallets, traveler's checks, passports and cameras on the street, in
hotels,
> in restaurants and in high-density tourist areas."
>
> JAC
> Pflugerville, TX
>
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From p0s5658 at ACS.TAMU.EDU  Sat May 27 19:10:01 2000
From: p0s5658 at ACS.TAMU.EDU (Pavel Samsonov)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 14:10:01 -0500
Subject: How safe is Moscow for Americans?
Message-ID: <SAT.27.MAY.2000.141001.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

> In my view, these passages do not reflect the current situation in Moscow
> and Petersburg; hesitate to say much about other cities. Yes, there are
some
> dangers, the kind that exist in any major city -- e.g. NYC, Milan -- but
the
> street crime situation is far better than it was in the early 1990s. You
do
> need to be street-smart, of course, but that's a requirement for urban
> living anywhere.
> Henryk Baran

I visited Moscow in 1995 and 1999 each time for a week or so. Both times it
was safe enough (at least for me).
Avoiding Gipsies will be a good suggestion. Do not make eye contacts with
them, ignore them comletely. Do not ride commuter trains ("electrichka"):
they can be somewhat dangerous.
Do not visit night clubs and other suspicious places. Get back home before
sunset. Observe traffic regulations: traffic is crazy in Moscow with many
drunk drivers.

I have never heard of organized crime that would particularly target
foreigners. According to some data, now there over 40,000 foreigners living
in Moscow (registered officially). No massive exodus because of a high crime
rate has been observed.

On the other hand, there is never a guarantee. But the crime rate in Moscow
now is no higher than that in, say, in Mexico-City where US visitors can be
assaulted sometimes.
Good luck!

With compliments,

Pavel (Paul) Samsonov
EDAD, College of Education,
Texas A&M University
tel. (409) 862-7771 (lab)
      (409) 862-9152 (home)
fax (409) 862-4347
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From renee at ALINGA.COM  Sat May 27 19:46:45 2000
From: renee at ALINGA.COM (Renee Stillings)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 15:46:45 -0400
Subject: How safe is Moscow for Americans?
Message-ID: <SAT.27.MAY.2000.154645.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I have spent the past 8  years living at least 50% of the time in Moscow and
have a hard time believing it is a fraction as dangerous as any western
world capital. I have far more apprehensions walking around New York--in my
own home country, speaking my own native language--than I ever have had in
Moscow. As a single woman, I've never had a fear of walking alone in any
area of Moscow or taking "unofficial taxis" several times a day. It is a
matter of common sense--those who stand out so blaringly as tourists would
get mugged in their own country for the simple reason that by nature they
are insensitive to the environment they are in. Awareness and sensitivity go
a long way in any culture in terms of self-preservation. While I've never
ultimately had any serious problems in Russia, I do see foreigners around me
there that are asking for trouble and usually alcohol has something to do
with it.

I would be very curious as to whether any other Listers have spent
considerable time living in Russia and believe that it is remotely as
dangerous as other capital cities in the world. And in that light, I wonder
why such reports are not distributed about cities like New York? Really, if
the Russian gov't is to be responsible to its own citizens, they should also
issue such reports--and just what should they write about New York, or
Detroit, for example? Something like "Even Americans fear to tread in some
neighborhoods of their own country ... ." Heck, we should issue reports
warning our own citizens not to visit some cities/neighborhoods of our own
country if we are to be completely consistent and fair.

As for muggings in cabs occupied by another person--who is the idiot that
would take a cab occupied by another person, especially an unmarked one?
That is rule number one for not just Moscow, but life. If you do it and get
into trouble, you certainly don't try to blame anyone else for it. I took a
taxi from the metro to the airport a couple of months ago and the driver
tried to bring in another passenger to make a bit of extra money. I
immediately opened the door and got out and didn't agree to go with him
unless the other guy got out. It is a bit embarrassing even that our state
department has to issue a public notice to remind Americans to not be
complete idiots. Next thing we know they are going to be reminding us to tie
our shoes. And who is giving them this feedback anyway? Other State
department employees who DID take a cab (with our tax money) occupied by
another passenger in Russia???

I apologize in advance if this is a subject I attack a bit vehemently, it is
just that it is an issue (amongst many others about Russia) so distorted by
the gov't and the press that as an organizer of study abroad programs, I
find myself having this same discussion over and over again with students
and parents who, having only read about Moscow in the press, think it is
filled with people shooting each other on the streets or looking with
awestruck eyes at foreigners as big money targets, when the fact of the
matter is that most Russians are quite aware that there are a lot more
wealthy Russians walking around than wealthy foreigners and that many such
Russians really are walking around with a wallet full of $100s (or keep
1000s stashed in a mattress) whereas smart foreigners carry very little on
their person. Yes, the foreigners appear to be easy targets, but the same
common sense and respect for your environment you'd use in any city all but
eliminates that disadvantage.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Alan Carmack" <alancarmack at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU>
To: <SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000 2:16 PM
Subject: How safe is Moscow for Americans?


> I am coming across a barrage of warnings of "frequent crimes aimed at
> Americans and Westerners", including theft, assault, muggings and pick-
> pocketing (especially at the airport, trains stations, in the metro, and
in
> cabs already occupied by another passenger); burglary of hotel rooms;
> attacks by "squads" of gypsy children who appear from nowhere and stick
> pins in you; even news of drugged drinks and compartment break-ins on the
> Moscow-Petersburg overnighter... etc." And this is in Moscow. Petersburg
> apparently has a 30% higher crime rate.
>
> The UK Foreign and Commonwealth office gives the most staid account:
>
> "Russian cities have their fair share of crime. Visitors should be
vigilant
> and keep money and valuables out of sight. Be wary in Moscow of groups of
> women and children who beg and pick pockets around the main railway
> concourses sometimes targeting tourists. Use officially marked taxis and
do
> not share them with strangers. The armed violence in major cities between
> rival criminal gangs is not directed against foreigners."
>
> The US State Dept phrases it this way:
>
> "Crime against foreigners is a problem, especially in major cities.
> Pickpocketings, assaults, and robberies occur frequently and at any time
or
> place. The most vulnerable areas include underground walkways and the
> subway, overnight trains, train stations, airports, markets, tourist
> attractions, restaurants, hotel rooms, and residences, even when locked or
> occupied. Groups of children are known to assault and rob foreigners on
> city streets or underground walkways. Foreigners who have been drinking
> alcohol are especially vulnerable to assault and robbery in or around
> nightclubs or bars, or on their way home. Robberies may occur in taxis
> shared with strangers. Travelers have found it safer to travel in groups
> organized by reputable tour agencies. "
>
> Fielding's DangerFinder (http://www.fieldingtravel.com/df/index.htm) says:
>
> "In Moscow alone, in 1993, there were 5000 murders and 20,000 incidents of
> violent crime. The local population easily recognizes U.S. tourists and
> business travelers as foreigners because of their clothing, accessories
and
> behavior. American visitors tend to experience a relatively high incidence
> of certain types of crime, such as physical assaults and pickpocketing of
> wallets, traveler's checks, passports and cameras on the street, in
hotels,
> in restaurants and in high-density tourist areas."
>
> JAC
> Pflugerville, TX
>
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From renee at ALINGA.COM  Sat May 27 19:52:51 2000
From: renee at ALINGA.COM (Renee Stillings)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 15:52:51 -0400
Subject: How safe is Moscow for Americans?
Message-ID: <SAT.27.MAY.2000.155251.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

> I visited Moscow in 1995 and 1999 each time for a week or so. Both times
it
> was safe enough (at least for me).
> Avoiding Gipsies will be a good suggestion. Do not make eye contacts with
> them, ignore them comletely. Do not ride commuter trains ("electrichka"):
> they can be somewhat dangerous.
> Do not visit night clubs and other suspicious places. Get back home before
> sunset. Observe traffic regulations: traffic is crazy in Moscow with many
> drunk drivers.

Maybe enter monkhood? Really, you've taken most of the fun out of Moscow for
some people :) Home before sunset in the biggest party town on the planet?
In the winter you might as well not leave your apartment, as you will need
to be back by about 2 or 3 in the afternoon...

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From p0s5658 at ACS.TAMU.EDU  Sat May 27 20:02:54 2000
From: p0s5658 at ACS.TAMU.EDU (Pavel Samsonov)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 15:02:54 -0500
Subject: How safe is Moscow for Americans?
Message-ID: <SAT.27.MAY.2000.150254.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

>
> Maybe enter monkhood? Really, you've taken most of the fun out of Moscow
for
> some people :) Home before sunset in the biggest party town on the planet?
> In the winter you might as well not leave your apartment, as you will need
> to be back by about 2 or 3 in the afternoon...

These suggestions were offered for those who want to be 100% on the safe
side. Yes, with too much precaution you will miss a lot in Moscow.

About three years ago the college where I used to teach Russian stopped
sending groups of students to Moscow for language practice.
What happened was: one US student ignored the instruction to avoid night
clubs. He was "kind of" drunk and started making open advances to a girl
sitting alone at a table. The student did not realize that the girl had a
boyfriend who was playing cards somehere in the depth of the club...
So the poor guy ended up in the hospital with a broken jaw.

But this could have happened in any other big (and not so big) city anywhere
in the world! Moscow is not better or worse!

So the best thing is just to rely on your common sense. You will not be less
safe than in any other big city in the world.

With compliments,

Pavel (Paul) Samsonov
EDAD, College of Education,
Texas A&M University
tel. (409) 862-7771 (lab)
      (409) 862-9152 (home)
fax (409) 862-4347
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From renee at ALINGA.COM  Sat May 27 20:44:10 2000
From: renee at ALINGA.COM (Renee Stillings)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 16:44:10 -0400
Subject: How safe is Moscow for Americans?
Message-ID: <SAT.27.MAY.2000.164410.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Why is it that when something like that happens (which, like you say, can
happen absolutely anywhere in the world) the reaction on the part of US
universities is to cancel the program? If it were Madrid or Paris, the
program would not have been cancelled, in fact, the official statement would
have been that "the student was drinking and irresponsible and made a
judgment error" but when it is Russia, the student is never to blame? Is our
policy that Americans are responsible for their own actions EXCEPT when they
go to Russia? What is it that drives these decisions? Is it only ignorance
or is there some other motivation?

We also had a student in a similar situation a couple of years ago, but he
wasn't really hurt (so much as his feelings mainly) and he recognized that
noone else was to blame really and that he should have been paying
attention. He actually chose to leave Moscow early--get this--because "he
was having far too much fun" and would only proceed to get himself into more
trouble. Amazingly mature decision, I thought. Moscow is the place where you
can do just about anything. Coming from the world of sometimes extreme
political correctness and judgmental attitude  (as well as laws that work)
known as America, students find a level of freedom they initially have a
hard time controlling in Russia. It's funny. Everyone talks about how it is
a "new freedom" for Russians who lived under communism, etc. but I think it
is just as much a shock for visiting Americans as it is for Russians.


> About three years ago the college where I used to teach Russian stopped
> sending groups of students to Moscow for language practice.
> What happened was: one US student ignored the instruction to avoid night
> clubs. He was "kind of" drunk and started making open advances to a girl
> sitting alone at a table. The student did not realize that the girl had a
> boyfriend who was playing cards somehere in the depth of the club...
> So the poor guy ended up in the hospital with a broken jaw.
>
> But this could have happened in any other big (and not so big) city
anywhere
> in the world! Moscow is not better or worse!
>
> So the best thing is just to rely on your common sense. You will not be
less
> safe than in any other big city in the world.
>
> With compliments,
>
> Pavel (Paul) Samsonov
> EDAD, College of Education,
> Texas A&M University
> tel. (409) 862-7771 (lab)
>       (409) 862-9152 (home)
> fax (409) 862-4347
> e-mail p0s5658 at acs.tamu.edu
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From p0s5658 at ACS.TAMU.EDU  Sat May 27 20:50:56 2000
From: p0s5658 at ACS.TAMU.EDU (Pavel Samsonov)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 15:50:56 -0500
Subject: How safe is Moscow for Americans?
Message-ID: <SAT.27.MAY.2000.155056.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Subject: Re: How safe is Moscow for Americans?


> Why is it that when something like that happens (which, like you say, can
> happen absolutely anywhere in the world) the reaction on the part of US
> universities is to cancel the program? If it were Madrid or Paris, the
> program would not have been cancelled, in fact, the official statement
would
> have been that "the student was drinking and irresponsible and made a
> judgment error" but when it is Russia, the student is never to blame? Is
our
> policy that Americans are responsible for their own actions EXCEPT when
they
> go to Russia? What is it that drives these decisions? Is it only ignorance
> or is there some other motivation?

You have touched upon a most "touchy" issue here.
First, I think the diplomatic bureaucracy  would tend to exaggerate the
danger than downplay it.
This is what bureaucrates would always do. This is safer.
Second, I believe Ms. Albright's policies have something to do with it. I
have noticed a serious change of attitudes on the part of the US Embassies
in the countries of the former Soviet Union with Ms.Albright assuming her
position of the Secretary of State.
Now it is many times harder to secure a US visa for a Russian, Belarussian
or a Ukrainian than it used to be. Embassy workers are very cold if not
unfrendly. Many people are even denied student visas, which had not been the
case before.
Perhaps the warnings that the US Embasses issue for its citizens about
safety in Russia are a part of these attitudes?

With compliments,

Pavel (Paul) Samsonov
EDAD, College of Education,
Texas A&M University
tel. (409) 862-7771 (lab)
      (409) 862-9152 (home)
fax (409) 862-4347
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From colkitto at SPRINT.CA  Sun May 28 01:08:59 2000
From: colkitto at SPRINT.CA (Robert Orr)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 21:08:59 -0400
Subject: How safe is Moscow for Americans?
Message-ID: <SAT.27.MAY.2000.210859.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Many people outside the US have the same image of US cities, justified or
not.

Robert Orr

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From: Pavel Samsonov <p0s5658 at ACS.TAMU.EDU>
To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU <SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
Date: Saturday, May 27, 2000 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: How safe is Moscow for Americans?


>Subject: Re: How safe is Moscow for Americans?
>
>
>> Why is it that when something like that happens (which, like you say, can
>> happen absolutely anywhere in the world) the reaction on the part of US
>> universities is to cancel the program? If it were Madrid or Paris, the
>> program would not have been cancelled, in fact, the official statement
>would
>> have been that "the student was drinking and irresponsible and made a
>> judgment error" but when it is Russia, the student is never to blame? Is
>our
>> policy that Americans are responsible for their own actions EXCEPT when
>they
>> go to Russia? What is it that drives these decisions? Is it only
ignorance
>> or is there some other motivation?
>
>You have touched upon a most "touchy" issue here.
>First, I think the diplomatic bureaucracy  would tend to exaggerate the
>danger than downplay it.
>This is what bureaucrates would always do. This is safer.
>Second, I believe Ms. Albright's policies have something to do with it. I
>have noticed a serious change of attitudes on the part of the US Embassies
>in the countries of the former Soviet Union with Ms.Albright assuming her
>position of the Secretary of State.
>Now it is many times harder to secure a US visa for a Russian, Belarussian
>or a Ukrainian than it used to be. Embassy workers are very cold if not
>unfrendly. Many people are even denied student visas, which had not been
the
>case before.
>Perhaps the warnings that the US Embasses issue for its citizens about
>safety in Russia are a part of these attitudes?
>
>With compliments,
>
>Pavel (Paul) Samsonov
>EDAD, College of Education,
>Texas A&M University
>tel. (409) 862-7771 (lab)
>      (409) 862-9152 (home)
>fax (409) 862-4347
>e-mail p0s5658 at acs.tamu.edu
>
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From dumanis at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU  Sun May 28 04:30:47 2000
From: dumanis at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU (Edward M Dumanis)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 00:30:47 -0400
Subject: How safe is Moscow for Americans?
In-Reply-To: <029301bfc814$7868d2e0$04b406d1@sbosmr.ma.cable.rcn.com>
Message-ID: <SUN.28.MAY.2000.003047.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

On Sat, 27 May 2000, Renee Stillings wrote:

> I have spent the past 8  years living at least 50% of the time in Moscow and
> have a hard time believing it is a fraction as dangerous as any western
> world capital. I have far more apprehensions walking around New York--in my
> own home country, speaking my own native language--than I ever have had in
> Moscow. As a single woman, I've never had a fear of walking alone in any
> area of Moscow or taking "unofficial taxis" several times a day. It is a
> matter of common sense--those who stand out so blaringly as tourists would
> get mugged in their own country for the simple reason that by nature they
> are insensitive to the environment they are in. Awareness and sensitivity go
> a long way in any culture in terms of self-preservation. While I've never
> ultimately had any serious problems in Russia, I do see foreigners around me
> there that are asking for trouble and usually alcohol has something to do
> with it.
>
...................................
[snip]
..................................
>
> I apologize in advance if this is a subject I attack a bit vehemently, it is
> just that it is an issue (amongst many others about Russia) so distorted by
> the gov't and the press that as an organizer of study abroad programs.

Your apology is not acceptable. Not everybody asks for trouble or alcohol.
It is an insult to all crime victims who are not necessarily as
street-smart as you are. I am sure that your tune will change if it
happens with you despite of all your precautions.
If my family had all this information in advance before traveling to
Eastern Europe, we would avoid the agony of being suffered.

Sincerely,

Edward Dumanis <dumanis at acsu.buffalo.edu>

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From renee at ALINGA.COM  Sun May 28 05:29:17 2000
From: renee at ALINGA.COM (Renee Stillings)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 01:29:17 -0400
Subject: How safe is Moscow for Americans?
Message-ID: <SUN.28.MAY.2000.012917.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Whew...seems that many of you out there have taken my words (I THOUGHT
English was my native language...) to imply that I believe all crime victims
are to blame or are idiots. I don't recall anything in my words to that
effect at all. There are crimes in Russia (as anywhere) that there is almost
no protection against, even by the most savvy, and I am sure some day I too
will fall victim to them. I have in fact already, but luckily (?) they have
had only financial losses rather than anything endangering my health.
Further, they were occasions where I knew I was taking a risk myself and was
not in any position to argue. My point certainly was not to offend those who
really have been victims of any type of crime anywhere in the world when not
knowingly engaging in risky behavior, and at the risk of issuing yet another
unacceptable apology, here it is anyway to those of you who were
unfortunately victims at some point.

My points were very clear to my mind: First,  a) those jumping into occupied
taxis are doing something incredibly risky they wouldn't even do in their
home country and I'll try to use perhaps softer words and say "not making
the best choice available",  and b) of all things this is something put into
print as if the vast majority of us (let alone those going to Russia who I
think are slightly above average in terms of education and travel
experience) wouldn't think of it. I understand them warning us of things
like heigtened gypsy activity or specific scams or something tangible--that
in fact would be helpful and most of us in Moscow can name (like the woman
earlier who brought up the taxi scam) specific things that foreigners should
be aware of--if they could keep on top of these scams and list them
somewhere, I'm sure there would be great interest in it. Insulting the
intelligence of Americans by reminding them not to jump in occupied taxis in
Russia, as if this is something that is OK to do in the rest of the world,
is well, insulting. In fact, it does imply indirectly that it is OK to do
that in other places--now talk about dangerous statements. The same 10 words
they used up could have said something more specific that would really have
spared someone some heartache. Second, (and probably main) point was that if
they are going to write that about Russia, virtually the same text should be
written about most major cities in the world. If someone shows me a text
from the State department or the press that says that Americans should not
jump into occupied taxis in Paris or Rome (or New York or even my home town
of Minneapolis), then I will acknowledge that all is fair in the world and
resign my point entirely. Third, could they please update their statements a
bit at least??? What might have been more the case in 1990 is not exactly
the case in 2000. Is it acceptable if those same statements are still there
in another 20 years when it is even more apparent that crime is no worse in
Russia than anywhere else? How often should they be updated? Not updating
them is not doing anyone a favor--the visitor or Russia.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward M Dumanis" <dumanis at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>
To: <SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: How safe is Moscow for Americans?


> On Sat, 27 May 2000, Renee Stillings wrote:
>
> > I have spent the past 8  years living at least 50% of the time in Moscow
and
> > have a hard time believing it is a fraction as dangerous as any western
> > world capital. I have far more apprehensions walking around New York--in
my
> > own home country, speaking my own native language--than I ever have had
in
> > Moscow. As a single woman, I've never had a fear of walking alone in any
> > area of Moscow or taking "unofficial taxis" several times a day. It is a
> > matter of common sense--those who stand out so blaringly as tourists
would
> > get mugged in their own country for the simple reason that by nature
they
> > are insensitive to the environment they are in. Awareness and
sensitivity go
> > a long way in any culture in terms of self-preservation. While I've
never
> > ultimately had any serious problems in Russia, I do see foreigners
around me
> > there that are asking for trouble and usually alcohol has something to
do
> > with it.
> >
> ...................................
> [snip]
> ..................................
> >
> > I apologize in advance if this is a subject I attack a bit vehemently,
it is
> > just that it is an issue (amongst many others about Russia) so distorted
by
> > the gov't and the press that as an organizer of study abroad programs.
>
> Your apology is not acceptable. Not everybody asks for trouble or alcohol.
> It is an insult to all crime victims who are not necessarily as
> street-smart as you are. I am sure that your tune will change if it
> happens with you despite of all your precautions.
> If my family had all this information in advance before traveling to
> Eastern Europe, we would avoid the agony of being suffered.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Edward Dumanis <dumanis at acsu.buffalo.edu>
>
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From atacama at GLOBAL.CO.ZA  Sun May 28 09:31:38 2000
From: atacama at GLOBAL.CO.ZA (atacama)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 11:31:38 +0200
Subject: How safe is Moscow for Americans?
In-Reply-To: <05ef01bfc865$ad545320$04b406d1@sbosmr.ma.cable.rcn.com>
Message-ID: <SUN.28.MAY.2000.113138.0200.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Now let's be practical -
How does on avoid thus subways and underground/under the street passes,
which are deserted, if one wants to cross the street ?

I tend to wait until another person also wants to walk in the same
direction, which means hanging around waiting, which is also bad, as it
looks like suspicious behaviour, or I plan my walking route in such a way
that I cross the street on the surface, so that I do not need to cross it
underground many metres further down.

I travel alone, as a woman, and yes - I try to be home by dark - say 9-ish
pm so as not to get stuck in railways stations (eg Kiev) much later, but I
do pop out up to midnight to fetch some milk from the street kiosks closeby
(on my side of the street) and I have walked, having planned my route, up
to 10pm along the main street, eg New Arbat to Kutuzov prospect.

I think caution and common-sense is important.

Night Trains ? in 1st class one is issued with special deadlocks so that
you may lock yourself in the compartment.
If these are not provided, I travel with wire coathangers and wrap up the
locking system, that no one can get in from the outside.

Russian is probably 75% less dangerous than S Africa, where I live, so we
have developed a 6th sense against predators.

Vera Belajkova
Johannesburg.

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From alancarmack at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU  Sun May 28 16:30:50 2000
From: alancarmack at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU (Mr Carmack)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 09:30:50 -0700
Subject: How safe is Moscow for Americans?
In-Reply-To: <05ef01bfc865$ad545320$04b406d1@sbosmr.ma.cable.rcn.com>
Message-ID: <SUN.28.MAY.2000.093050.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I have valued all the advice and comments on this issue. This response is
mostly directed at Renee Stellings, whose posts I have appreciated the most.

First, the advice not to take a taxi cab already occupied by another
passenger is not axiomatic to me. As idiot as that makes me seem,
nevertheless I have been in a taxi less than 10 times in my life... Two or
three of these times were when my wife and I were in Kaunas, Lithuania and
spoke almost zero Lithuanian, but we used taxis rather than repeat what we
did one evening, when at dusk we lost our way walking from downtown to my
cousin's apartment and we wandered at dark through who knows where. I was
actually more "streetwise" than my wife, or so I think, for I refused to ask
anybody for help until I found a young respectable couple walking arm-in-arm
down a street--which, after an hour of being lost, turned out to be the very
street we were looking for! :-)

I live in Texas, where we hardly have any public transportation, so any
advice about public transportation in Moscow (including taxis and the metro)
is news to me. :-) We also don't have gypsy kids running around Austin
needling you (literally) while they take your goods.

Second, the advice of the US State Dept was recent, I think as recent as
updated this month. One site I checked, maybe the Australian site, mentioned
a specific scam regarding Moscow ATM machines, but I don't recall the
details. And the Canadian travel advisory mirrored those of the US and UK. I
believe that the US GVT will indeed kindly provide you with street-savvy
advice on life in US Cities, as well as up-to-date crime stats for each of
them. The source I quoted was specifically for travelers abroad. It did also
mention avoiding Chechnya.

The 1993 figure you saw quoted in my post was from Fielding's Danger Finder.
Actually, this specific report was low key of Fielding's as they usually
give "danger warnings" which some have described as parody. For instance,
here is what they report about "Minnesota during the Winter":

"A Minnesota home is the most dangerous place in the state to be when it
comes to fire. There were 40 residential fire deaths in the state in 1994.
By November 1995, that year's death toll had swelled to 62--still early in
the home heating season. The most dangerous time of the year? The week
between Christmas and New Year's Day, when winter heating, decorative
lights, holiday cooking and too much booze make Minnesota such a kinetic
kettle of embers that the state fathers are considering flying in B-17s from
California and placing Red Adair on 24-hour call at the Wisconsin border.
Ouch."

But if you wish to read about the dangers of America and our cities, you can
find more than you can stomach at their URL, which I repost:
http://www.fieldingtravel.com/df/index.htm . Here is what Fielding's says
about Minneapolis:

"While murders are going down in some major U.S. cities, the rate is soaring
in Minneapolis (pop. 368,383)--approaching even those found in New York and
Washington, D.C. By the middle of August 1995, Minneapolis had already
topped its yearly record for homicides; there were 67 killings by
mid-August, four more than the total for all of 1991, previously the city's
deadliest year. Nearly three-quarters of the victims were black, although
blacks make up only 13 percent of the population."

You will notice again that it seems that Fielding's utilizes the older
statistics. How's the murder rate in the Twin Cities these days? :-)

This brings up another interesting point, namely that of all the cities in
the USA with population of 1.000.000 plus, I have heard from folks (who live
in Westminster County, just north of NYC) that NYC is among the lowest in
crime, that it is actually a very safe city--especially if one uses the same
street-smart tactics you offer. Detroit, Houston, L.A. (?), D.C. (?), are
far more replete with crime. Yet, as a Texan I have never felt threatened
while in Houston: I just don't go down unfamiliar or poorly streets...

In fact, there are places in Austin that I hesitate to enter in broad
daylight. The key is I live here and know which parts of town are relatively
safe and which parts, even which streets, have the most crime--something
which I haven't the slightest idea of regarding Moscow. So that is why I
have appreciated everybody's feedback.

Alan C
Pflugerville, Texas

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From tancockk at UVIC.CA  Sun May 28 16:01:44 2000
From: tancockk at UVIC.CA (Kat Tancock)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 09:01:44 -0700
Subject: How safe is Moscow for Americans?
In-Reply-To: <AAELKOPPFLPIHDBLFOBHMEBDCCAA.alancarmack@mail.utexas.edu>
Message-ID: <SUN.28.MAY.2000.090144.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I think the best recommendation for travelling _anywhere_ is a bit of
research, and maybe not just the US state dept warnings?

One site I can suggest is Lonely Planet (www.lonelyplanet.com) - yes, the
people who do the travel guides. Not only do they publish great guides with
excellent safety information (not that they're the only ones, it's a good
idea to buy a travel guide when going _anywhere_ new), but they're site is a
gold mine of information, including:

- The "Thorn Tree", where you can post questions about various regions and
get (usually) informative answers, as well as browsing what other people
have asked about

- "Postcards", where travellers post useful information about places they've
been travelling

- A section on recent world news that could affect travellers, I can't
remember what it's called

- A section of updates to their guides so that everything is up to date

- Links to other useful sites, organized by region

- Basic information about each country

When I went to Russia for the first time, I did extensive reading,
especially on the internet, and grilled my friends who had already been
there. And I had no problems - a 20 year old woman on her own. The best
advice is to trust your doubts - if you feel something is wrong, don't argue
against it (devil on one shoulder, angel on the other? :) Trust your
instincts.

Kat

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From dumanis at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU  Sun May 28 18:19:44 2000
From: dumanis at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU (Edward M Dumanis)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 14:19:44 -0400
Subject: How safe is Moscow for Americans?
In-Reply-To: <AAELKOPPFLPIHDBLFOBHMEBDCCAA.alancarmack@mail.utexas.edu>
Message-ID: <SUN.28.MAY.2000.141944.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

On Sun, 28 May 2000, Mr Carmack wrote:

.............................
Snip
.............................

> I live in Texas, where we hardly have any public transportation, so any
> advice about public transportation in Moscow (including taxis and the metro)
> is news to me. :-) We also don't have gypsy kids running around Austin
> needling you (literally) while they take your goods.

I just want to add to this that it is not just our inexperience with the
life of large cities in USA but also our ignorance of customs of other
countries. The described custom of avoiding taking taxis with strangers
in our cities maybe is out of tune with the customs of taking taxis with
strangers in other countries where it might be not dangerous at all, and a
usual habit. At the same time, those countries might have their own
dangers for us that we might not even suspect, like just being dressed as
you would normally dress here might be offensive for some there, and
provoke an assault. The information on what should be avoided there is
really very appreciated.

I want to thank everybody for doing a real public service providing us
with the suggestions on how to lower the risk of travel.

Sincerely,

Edward Dumanis <dumanis at acsu.buffalo.edu>

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From atacama at GLOBAL.CO.ZA  Sun May 28 18:55:19 2000
From: atacama at GLOBAL.CO.ZA (atacama)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 20:55:19 +0200
Subject: How safe is Moscow for Americans?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10005281357520.3156-100000@callisto.acsu.buf
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May I suggest that you discuss travel on

RussiaTravel at onelist.com

it's been going for over a year and is full goo information and
excellent archives you can browse.
I have been discussing safety ad nauseum there.
I strongly suggest that you read up on the archvied messages on safety.

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>.............................
>Snip
>.............................
>
>> I live in Texas, where we hardly have any public transportation, so any
>> advice about public transportation in Moscow (including taxis and the
metro)
>> is news to me. :-) We also don't have gypsy kids running around Austin
>> needling you (literally) while they take your goods.
>
>I just want to add to this that it is not just our inexperience with the
>life of large cities in USA but also our ignorance of customs of other
>countries. The described custom of avoiding taking taxis with strangers
>in our cities maybe is out of tune with the customs of taking taxis with
>strangers in other countries where it might be not dangerous at all, and a
>usual habit. At the same time, those countries might have their own
>dangers for us that we might not even suspect, like just being dressed as
>you would normally dress here might be offensive for some there, and
>provoke an assault. The information on what should be avoided there is
>really very appreciated.
>
>I want to thank everybody for doing a real public service providing us
>with the suggestions on how to lower the risk of travel.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Edward Dumanis <dumanis at acsu.buffalo.edu>
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From yamato at YT.CACHE.WASEDA.AC.JP  Sun May 28 20:06:48 2000
From: yamato at YT.CACHE.WASEDA.AC.JP (Yoshimasa Tsuji)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 05:06:48 +0900
Subject: How safe is Moscow for Americans?
In-Reply-To: <AAELKOPPFLPIHDBLFOBHMEBDCCAA.alancarmack@mail.utexas.edu>
 (message from Mr Carmack on Sun, 28 May 2000 09:30:50 -0700)
Message-ID: <MON.29.MAY.2000.050648.0900.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear friends,
  You can reduce risks in Russia by pretending to be a simple Russian or
someone from poor regions. Behaving otherwise is inviting danger: talking
loudly in English in public, being pretensiously dressed, showing off your
wealth, etc. In short, don't be provocative. If you are a tourist without
any knowledge of Russia, you should be accompanied with a local or stay
in the area that is known to be safe.
  Many of my colleagues from abroad were assaulted in places where they
thought were safe: in the corridors of their flats (they wrongly thought
non-residents could not be there), in the compartments for two persons,
etc. because thugs knew too well where money could be gotten. But I must
say that is rarer now as there are now too many rich people in some areas
where there are many more targets other than you (i.e. they will think of
people who are much, much richer than you).
  You will be inviting danger if you live among the poor and will be known
to be rich (owning a ten dollar note could be interpreted that way). If
you are going to live among the non-rich (about eighty per cent of Moscow
citizens), choose a dwelling whose tenants are tolerably respectable (yes,
99 per cent of Russians stay away from committing crimes).
  Danger is everywhere in Russia: thugs watch people from hidden corners,
drivers ignore pedestrians, etc. Therefore it is best not to carry anything
valuable (I carry a few roubles, a credit card with my photo printed on it,
and a "udostovorenie from MGU" as  an identification.)
  Getting robbed of money is almost unavoidable -- so please try very hard
not to be physically inflicted (they often hit you from behind when you
have just opened the door of your flat or hotel room).
  If you look too much of a rich foreigner, even police or traffic warden
will try to squeeze money from you: they ask you if you have got a passport
with you, if not, they will pretend to take you to a nearest police depart-
ment, but soon they will say they are negotiable. In that case, insist that
you are pleased to pay any fines wherever it may be. Traffic warden will
be watching you cross the street, ignoring the zebra or traffic lights
just like other Russians. Then they will justifiably ask you pay fines.
In that case you are to blame.  Incidentally, as I look too much of
a person from a poor republic, I am often asked to show the ticket
e in the commuter train (elektrichka): the conductors assume I couldn't
possibly afford two roubles.
  Statistics wise, US consulate in Moscow know very well of the actual
incidents involving US citizens there, and their warnings should be
respected.
  Some foreigners are too used to safety in Moscow that they
are often seen encashing hundreds of dollars at the Citibank's ATM machine
in the Arbat street. I am not that brave as I have too many carry overs
from the early 1990's when petty crimes were rampant.

Cheers,
Tsuji

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From alancarmack at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU  Sun May 28 22:40:09 2000
From: alancarmack at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU (Mr Carmack)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 15:40:09 -0700
Subject: How safe is Moscow for Americans?
In-Reply-To: <029301bfc814$7868d2e0$04b406d1@sbosmr.ma.cable.rcn.com>
Message-ID: <SUN.28.MAY.2000.154009.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list
> [mailto:SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of Renee Stillings
> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000 12:47 PM
> To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
> Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] How safe is Moscow for Americans?


> [SNIP} when the fact of the
> matter is that most Russians are quite aware that there are a lot more
> wealthy Russians walking around than wealthy foreigners and that many such
> Russians really are walking around with a wallet full of $100s (or keep
> 1000s stashed in a mattress) whereas smart foreigners carry very little on
> their person. Yes, the foreigners appear to be easy targets, but the same
> common sense and respect for your environment you'd use in any
> city all but eliminates that disadvantage.

Okay, so I have two questions.

(1) Since I will be a tourist (actually, a student), and will want to take
photos of the usual tourist attractions, how am I to avoid being singled out
as a foreigner (American) when I am walking around in awe, gawking at sites
and taking photos? Should I buy a spy camera and take pictures from my coat
sleeve?  :-)

(2) I get the picture that credit cards aren't that useful in most places in
Moscow, and also that it is illegal to use dollars, and that most places do
not take traveller's checks. So, if I am not sure it is safe to store excess
cash in my room or dorm, what do I do with it? Should I take cash or
traveller's checks? Open a bank account?

I assume the best thing to do is take AMEX traveller's checks and cash what
I need at their office--but then wouldn't that be an obvious place for local
ne'er-do-wells to prey on foreigners? And wouldn't visiting the AE Office
everyday get a bit tedious, not to mention making yourself a mark for anyone
watching the place regularly??

(In Lithuania I stayed always with relatives. I still kept my cash always
with me, lots of pristine $US 10's, 5's, and 1's, zipped up in the neck of
my rain jacket that has an extractable hood. The total was no more than
$200, which was more than we needed in our two weeks in Lietuva anyway. We
exchanged dollars at banks, official kiosks, the back office of a store that
imported fruits and fruit juices, and also in a hotel lobby, whose clerks
salivated at the chance of getting rid of some of their roubles for US$20.
This was in 92 before the Lita was reintroduced.)

Yours from Texas, where we all ride horses and wear cowboy hats, ;-)

Alan C

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From alancarmack at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU  Sun May 28 22:42:27 2000
From: alancarmack at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU (Mr Carmack)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 15:42:27 -0700
Subject: How safe is Moscow for Americans?
In-Reply-To: <B55690F7.837%tancockk@uvic.ca>
Message-ID: <SUN.28.MAY.2000.154227.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

> One site I can suggest is Lonely Planet (www.lonelyplanet.com) - yes, the
> people who do the travel guides. Not only do they publish great
> guides with
> excellent safety information (not that they're the only ones, it's a good
> idea to buy a travel guide when going _anywhere_ new), but
> they're site is a
> gold mine of information,

Thanks for the suggestion. I am ordering the 1998 version of Rough Guide to
Moscow, which also comes highly recommended. I will definitely have a look
at the Lonely Planet site, which anyway I think I browsed before.

Alan C

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From retaylor at USC.EDU  Sun May 28 21:44:07 2000
From: retaylor at USC.EDU (retaylor)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 14:44:07 -0700
Subject: How safe is Moscow for Americans?
In-Reply-To: <AAELKOPPFLPIHDBLFOBHMEBGCCAA.alancarmack@mail.utexas.edu>
Message-ID: <SUN.28.MAY.2000.144407.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Seelangers,

ATM machines seem to be the best answer - Many are located at metro
stations, and taking out money there made me nervous, but some are located
inside banks with armed guards standing watch.  However, using an ATM
machine in Russia can  result in lots of $$ being stolen later (probably
bank employees "at work").  Therefore, it might be wise to open a bank
acount specifically for the purpose of travelling to Russia - use the ATM
machines while in Russia - and then close the account immediately upon
returning.  Fees are something minimal like 75 cents per transaction, and
exchange rates are optimal.

Since so much of Russian life is cash-based, I often found myself carrying
$300-500 (in rubles) when living in Russia in 1997-8 - which made me a
little nervous, but never got me in trouble, as long as I dressed / acted
relatively "Russian."

Yours,
Romy Taylor

On Sun, 28 May 2000, Mr Carmack wrote:

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list
> > [mailto:SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of Renee Stillings
> > Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000 12:47 PM
> > To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
> > Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] How safe is Moscow for Americans?
>
>
> > [SNIP} when the fact of the
> > matter is that most Russians are quite aware that there are a lot more
> > wealthy Russians walking around than wealthy foreigners and that many such
> > Russians really are walking around with a wallet full of $100s (or keep
> > 1000s stashed in a mattress) whereas smart foreigners carry very little on
> > their person. Yes, the foreigners appear to be easy targets, but the same
> > common sense and respect for your environment you'd use in any
> > city all but eliminates that disadvantage.
>
> Okay, so I have two questions.
>
> (1) Since I will be a tourist (actually, a student), and will want to take
> photos of the usual tourist attractions, how am I to avoid being singled out
> as a foreigner (American) when I am walking around in awe, gawking at sites
> and taking photos? Should I buy a spy camera and take pictures from my coat
> sleeve?  :-)
>
> (2) I get the picture that credit cards aren't that useful in most places in
> Moscow, and also that it is illegal to use dollars, and that most places do
> not take traveller's checks. So, if I am not sure it is safe to store excess
> cash in my room or dorm, what do I do with it? Should I take cash or
> traveller's checks? Open a bank account?
>
> I assume the best thing to do is take AMEX traveller's checks and cash what
> I need at their office--but then wouldn't that be an obvious place for local
> ne'er-do-wells to prey on foreigners? And wouldn't visiting the AE Office
> everyday get a bit tedious, not to mention making yourself a mark for anyone
> watching the place regularly??
>
> (In Lithuania I stayed always with relatives. I still kept my cash always
> with me, lots of pristine $US 10's, 5's, and 1's, zipped up in the neck of
> my rain jacket that has an extractable hood. The total was no more than
> $200, which was more than we needed in our two weeks in Lietuva anyway. We
> exchanged dollars at banks, official kiosks, the back office of a store that
> imported fruits and fruit juices, and also in a hotel lobby, whose clerks
> salivated at the chance of getting rid of some of their roubles for US$20.
> This was in 92 before the Lita was reintroduced.)
>
> Yours from Texas, where we all ride horses and wear cowboy hats, ;-)
>
> Alan C
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From AHRJJ at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU  Sun May 28 21:57:42 2000
From: AHRJJ at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (Alex Rudd)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 17:57:42 EDT
Subject: How safe is Moscow for Americans?
In-Reply-To: Message of Sun, 28 May 2000 14:44:07 -0700 from <retaylor@USC.EDU>
Message-ID: <SUN.28.MAY.2000.175742.EDT.>

On Sun, 28 May 2000 14:44:07 -0700 retaylor said:
>Dear Seelangers,
>
>ATM machines seem to be the best answer - Many are located at metro
>stations, and taking out money there made me nervous, but some are located
>inside banks with armed guards standing watch.  However, using an ATM
>machine in Russia can  result in lots of $$ being stolen later (probably
>bank employees "at work").  Therefore, it might be wise to open a bank
>acount specifically for the purpose of travelling to Russia - use the ATM
>machines while in Russia - and then close the account immediately upon
>returning.  Fees are something minimal like 75 cents per transaction, and
>exchange rates are optimal.
>
>Since so much of Russian life is cash-based, I often found myself carrying
>$300-500 (in rubles) when living in Russia in 1997-8 - which made me a
>little nervous, but never got me in trouble, as long as I dressed / acted
>relatively "Russian."
>
>Yours,
>Romy Taylor
>
>On Sun, 28 May 2000, Mr Carmack wrote:
>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list
>> > [mailto:SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of Renee Stillings
>> > Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000 12:47 PM
>> > To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
>> > Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] How safe is Moscow for Americans?
>>
>>
>> > [SNIP} when the fact of the
>> > matter is that most Russians are quite aware that there are a lot more
>> > wealthy Russians walking around than wealthy foreigners and that many such
>> > Russians really are walking around with a wallet full of $100s (or keep
>> > 1000s stashed in a mattress) whereas smart foreigners carry very little on
>> > their person. Yes, the foreigners appear to be easy targets, but the same
>> > common sense and respect for your environment you'd use in any
>> > city all but eliminates that disadvantage.
>>
>> Okay, so I have two questions.
>>
>> (1) Since I will be a tourist (actually, a student), and will want to take
>> photos of the usual tourist attractions, how am I to avoid being singled out
>> as a foreigner (American) when I am walking around in awe, gawking at sites
>> and taking photos? Should I buy a spy camera and take pictures from my coat
>> sleeve?  :-)
>>
>> (2) I get the picture that credit cards aren't that useful in most places in
>> Moscow, and also that it is illegal to use dollars, and that most places do
>> not take traveller's checks. So, if I am not sure it is safe to store excess
>> cash in my room or dorm, what do I do with it? Should I take cash or
>> traveller's checks? Open a bank account?
>>
>> I assume the best thing to do is take AMEX traveller's checks and cash what
>> I need at their office--but then wouldn't that be an obvious place for local
>> ne'er-do-wells to prey on foreigners? And wouldn't visiting the AE Office
>> everyday get a bit tedious, not to mention making yourself a mark for anyone
>> watching the place regularly??
>>
>> (In Lithuania I stayed always with relatives. I still kept my cash always
>> with me, lots of pristine $US 10's, 5's, and 1's, zipped up in the neck of
>> my rain jacket that has an extractable hood. The total was no more than
>> $200, which was more than we needed in our two weeks in Lietuva anyway. We
>> exchanged dollars at banks, official kiosks, the back office of a store that
>> imported fruits and fruit juices, and also in a hotel lobby, whose clerks
>> salivated at the chance of getting rid of some of their roubles for US$20.
>> This was in 92 before the Lita was reintroduced.)
>>
>> Yours from Texas, where we all ride horses and wear cowboy hats, ;-)
>>
>> Alan C
>>
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From mllemily at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU  Sun May 28 18:30:59 2000
From: mllemily at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU (Emily Tall)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 18:30:59 +0000
Subject: How safe is Moscow for Americans?
Message-ID: <SUN.28.MAY.2000.183059.0000.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear all: I was just chatting with a former student who has been working in
Moscow for over a year now. She does not feel it is particularly dangerous. Of
course, she does not look like a rich tourist and I'm sure she uses appropriate
caution. E. Tall (SUNY/Buffalo)

Joseph Alan Carmack wrote:

> I am coming across a barrage of warnings of "frequent crimes aimed at
> Americans and Westerners", including theft, assault, muggings and pick-
> pocketing (especially at the airport, trains stations, in the metro, and in
> cabs already occupied by another passenger); burglary of hotel rooms;
> attacks by "squads" of gypsy children who appear from nowhere and stick
> pins in you; even news of drugged drinks and compartment break-ins on the
> Moscow-Petersburg overnighter... etc." And this is in Moscow. Petersburg
> apparently has a 30% higher crime rate.
>
> The UK Foreign and Commonwealth office gives the most staid account:
>
> "Russian cities have their fair share of crime. Visitors should be vigilant
> and keep money and valuables out of sight. Be wary in Moscow of groups of
> women and children who beg and pick pockets around the main railway
> concourses sometimes targeting tourists. Use officially marked taxis and do
> not share them with strangers. The armed violence in major cities between
> rival criminal gangs is not directed against foreigners."
>
> The US State Dept phrases it this way:
>
> "Crime against foreigners is a problem, especially in major cities.
> Pickpocketings, assaults, and robberies occur frequently and at any time or
> place. The most vulnerable areas include underground walkways and the
> subway, overnight trains, train stations, airports, markets, tourist
> attractions, restaurants, hotel rooms, and residences, even when locked or
> occupied. Groups of children are known to assault and rob foreigners on
> city streets or underground walkways. Foreigners who have been drinking
> alcohol are especially vulnerable to assault and robbery in or around
> nightclubs or bars, or on their way home. Robberies may occur in taxis
> shared with strangers. Travelers have found it safer to travel in groups
> organized by reputable tour agencies. "
>
> Fielding's DangerFinder (http://www.fieldingtravel.com/df/index.htm) says:
>
> "In Moscow alone, in 1993, there were 5000 murders and 20,000 incidents of
> violent crime. The local population easily recognizes U.S. tourists and
> business travelers as foreigners because of their clothing, accessories and
> behavior. American visitors tend to experience a relatively high incidence
> of certain types of crime, such as physical assaults and pickpocketing of
> wallets, traveler's checks, passports and cameras on the street, in hotels,
> in restaurants and in high-density tourist areas."
>
> JAC
> Pflugerville, TX
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From mllemily at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU  Sun May 28 18:56:24 2000
From: mllemily at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU (Emily Tall)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 18:56:24 +0000
Subject: program survival
Message-ID: <SUN.28.MAY.2000.185624.0000.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear all: My dean at SUNY/Buffalo just wrote me a letter expressing his
sympathy that "Russian language and literature has not gained the
foothold at the U. of Buffalo that we might have wished." [Actually,
literature is doing fine.] He continues that "given the status of this
as a national problem at all but the largest and most well-established
institutions, it is...an unavoidable outcome." I would like to prove him
wrong, if possible. If any of you are at institutions that are not large
and that do not have well-established programs that are nevertheless
doing well, could you let me know? Perhaps others would be interested as
well. Thanks! Emily Tall

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From Zemedelec at AOL.COM  Mon May 29 03:10:58 2000
From: Zemedelec at AOL.COM (Leslie Farmer)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 23:10:58 EDT
Subject: How safe is Moscow for Americans?
Message-ID: <SUN.28.MAY.2000.231058.EDT.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

underground walkways and the
subway, overnight trains, train stations, airports, markets, tourist
attractions, restaurants, hotel rooms, and residences, even when locked or
occupied. Groups of children are known to assault and rob foreigners on
city streets or underground walkways. Foreigners who have been drinking
alcohol are especially vulnerable to assault and robbery in or around
nightclubs or bars, or on their way home. Robberies may occur in taxis
shared with strangers.

This correlates with what I read in travel books and magazines in 1998.  So I
made my first visit to Russia with some apprehension.  I took a few more
precautions than usual, but used underground walkways and the subway when I
needed too, ditto trains stations, airports, restaurants, and so on.

 Either my precautions worked or they were unnecessary.  (To put this in
context, I don't speak Russian--can get by in Czech, French and Italian--am
middle-aged and tend to be mistaken for Italian in Prague and Syrian or
French in the US, so maybe I don't look/dress "typically American".)

 My worst moments in Russia were a tinge of claustrophobia --I'm not a
claustrophobic, but Russians seem to bump up, squeeze by, and generally
impinge on personal space more than Czechs or Poles.  I didn't feel
endangered, just rather stressed out--less so in St. Petersburg, where people
seem to be a bit more relaxed and polite, than in Moscow.

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From murphydt at SLU.EDU  Mon May 29 04:14:54 2000
From: murphydt at SLU.EDU (David T. Murphy)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 22:14:54 -0600
Subject: Call for Papers
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                                Call for Papers

                36th International Congress on Medieval Studies

                  Medieval Slavic  I: Language & Literature
                   Medieval Slavic II: History and Culture

                                May 3-6, 2001

                        Western Michigan University
                             Kalamazoo, Michigan

        Over the years, Slavic topics have been almost nonexistent at this
prestigious congress (the official printed program of the 35th Congress,
which met in early May, lists no fewer than 562 panels), a fact that
suggests, in a sense, that the Slavs and Slavic cultures are a non-presence
in the larger Medieval picture. In an effort to redress somewhat this
situation, the Center for Medieval and Renaissance Studies at Saint Louis
University has proposed the two sponsored sessions listed above.

        Given the history of the Congress, scholars are encouraged to
submit proposals for papers of a more general nature than might be given,
for example, at the AATSEEL conference, since one is not able to presume an
audience that is knowledgeable in things Slavic; in fact, the real point of
these sessions is to provide what for many would be their first real
exposure to the richness of the medieval Slavic cultures. The sessions are
open to all disciplines; papers can focus on topics within a given Slavic
culture, across Slavic cultures, or on the relationships between Slavic and
non-Slavic cultures, during the period roughly 600 - 1400 AD.

        One-page abstracts of papers designed for delivery in 20-25 minutes
should be sent to the address provided below by September 1, 2000.

        Interested scholars are encouraged to submit very brief (one
paragraph) descriptions of possible papers as soon as possible, in order
for me to convey to the Congress organizers a sense of how much interest in
participating on these panels actually is "out there".



David T. Murphy, Ph.D., Director                        Phone: (314) 977-7180
Center for Medieval and Renaissance Studies             Fax:   (314) 977-1602
Saint Louis University                                  Email: cmrs at slu.edu
3800 Lindell Boulevard, Suite 317
PO Box 56907                                            Home:  (314) 664-6068
St. Louis, MO 63156-0907

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From murphydt at SLU.EDU  Mon May 29 04:36:16 2000
From: murphydt at SLU.EDU (David T. Murphy)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 22:36:16 -0600
Subject: Kalamazoo, 2001
Message-ID: <SUN.28.MAY.2000.223616.0600.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Colleagues,
        Should an identical message have already reached you a few minutes
ago, I apologize for the duplication.


                                Call for Papers

                36th International Congress on Medieval Studies

                  Medieval Slavic  I: Language & Literature
                   Medieval Slavic II: History and Culture

                                May 3-6, 2001

                        Western Michigan University
                             Kalamazoo, Michigan

        Over the years, Slavic topics have been almost nonexistent at this
prestigious congress (the official printed program of the 35th Congress,
which met in early May, lists no fewer than 562 panels), a fact that
suggests, in a sense, that the Slavs and Slavic cultures are a non-presence
in the larger Medieval picture. In an effort to redress somewhat this
situation, the Center for Medieval and Renaissance Studies at Saint Louis
University has proposed the two sponsored sessions listed above.

        Given the history of the Congress, scholars are encouraged to
submit proposals for papers of a more general nature than might be given,
for example, at the AATSEEL conference, since one is not able to presume an
audience that is knowledgeable in things Slavic; in fact, the real point of
these sessions is to provide what for many would be their first real
exposure to the richness of the medieval Slavic cultures. The sessions are
open to all disciplines; papers can focus on topics within a given Slavic
culture, across Slavic cultures, or on the relationships between Slavic and
non-Slavic cultures, during the period roughly 600 - 1400 AD.

        One-page abstracts of papers designed for delivery in 20-25 minutes
should be sent to the address provided below by September 1, 2000.

        Interested scholars are encouraged to submit very brief (one
paragraph) descriptions of possible papers as soon as possible, in order
for me to convey to the Congress organizers a sense of how much interest in
participating on these panels actually is "out there".


David T. Murphy, Ph.D., Director                        Phone: (314) 977-7180
Center for Medieval and Renaissance Studies             Fax:   (314) 977-1602
Saint Louis University                                  Email: cmrs at slu.edu
3800 Lindell Boulevard, Suite 317
PO Box 56907                                            Home:  (314) 664-6068
St. Louis, MO 63156-0907

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From dpbrowne+ at PITT.EDU  Mon May 29 04:22:57 2000
From: dpbrowne+ at PITT.EDU (Devin Browne)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 00:22:57 -0400
Subject: program survival
Message-ID: <MON.29.MAY.2000.002257.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Emily's message about the health of Russian programs is interesting,
because it comes on the heels of the messages that hit the list recently
about the development of a Russian Studies major at some institutions.  I
did some reading about language program enrollment attrition a few years
ago and one of the recommendations I read was for institutions to develop
an area studies major which compliments language & literature majors.  I
wonder if this is an approach we should all be looking at to a greater
degree.

Devin

Devin P Browne
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu

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From renee at ALINGA.COM  Mon May 29 05:06:54 2000
From: renee at ALINGA.COM (Renee Stillings)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 01:06:54 -0400
Subject: How safe is Moscow for Americans?
Message-ID: <MON.29.MAY.2000.010654.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Very interesting about Minnesota and actually while there is definitely some
truth to the matter about fires, it is a parody.

I think that the murder rate is probably down a bit in that state now, but I
think this is the case throughout the country due to the soaring economy. As
a whole though, Minnesota over the past 10 years or so has lost much of its
previous image as "great clean and safe place to raise a family." There are
definitely streets that I would not walk alone on after dark there and we
bailed out of the inner city for the suburbs early on. Those who bought our
house actually bailed on their mortgage after about a year as they were
frightened by the declining safety in the neighborhood. All of this
unfortunately probably awaits Russia as demographic shifts take place.

> "A Minnesota home is the most dangerous place in the state to be when it
> comes to fire. There were 40 residential fire deaths in the state in 1994.
>
> "While murders are going down in some major U.S. cities, the rate is
soaring
> in Minneapolis (pop. 368,383)--approaching even those found in New York
and
> Washington, D.C. By the middle of August 1995, Minneapolis had already
> topped its yearly record for homicides; there were 67 killings by
> mid-August, four more than the total for all of 1991, previously the
city's
> deadliest year. Nearly three-quarters of the victims were black, although
> blacks make up only 13 percent of the population."
>
> You will notice again that it seems that Fielding's utilizes the older
> statistics. How's the murder rate in the Twin Cities these days? :-)
>

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From renee at ALINGA.COM  Mon May 29 05:31:38 2000
From: renee at ALINGA.COM (Renee Stillings)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 01:31:38 -0400
Subject: program survival
Message-ID: <MON.29.MAY.2000.013138.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I agree 100% that Russian language & literature needs to be expanded--not
only into area studies, but into concrete areas such as economics/politics
(their study and analysis). Technical translation (business and scientific)
is also of considerable use to students and is very rarely offered. Most
students I encounter who are studying Russian do not present a very clear
view to me of how exactly they plan to make a living with their Russian
skills. Language and Literature just to not provide enough jobs later on so
as to make the study of Russian attractive to a larger group. Look at Asian
languages. If you go into a classroom of undergrads taking Chinese or
Japanese, a very large % will indicate that they are studying it because of
a wide range of recognized job opportunities. Students of Russian seem much
more confused about how they might use the language later and usually tell
me they haven't given it much thought.

It seems to me that business schools are a large body to draw from for
building up Russian departments, but for a combination of reasons this has
not happened. On reason may be the negative portrayal of business in Russia
in the press, and thusly probably in the business schools themselves, but
also these students are just not that interested in literature, and thus
don't see a Russian program offering them practical skills.

I recall being quite irate when I studied in an engineering school that I
couldn't study language for credit for more than a semester (based on
national board recommendations/requirements). I don't know if this has
changed (it was quite awhile ago) but my opinion was that in the areas of
science and technology, I was actually MORE likely able to achieve a level
of usefulness in a foreign language and directly apply it than would
students of humanities. Now that most of my high-tech friends tell me that
every other person in their company is Russian, it seems I would have had
ample opportunity to use Russian had I stayed in technology in the US. Now
that I see rapidly increasing interest in the US in investing in
internet/technology projects in Russia, it seems to me there is a great
opportunity here for Russian speakers savvy in technology. In fact, at a
recent conference in Boston on "High Tech Opportunities in Russia," it was
mentioned by several speakers that there is a huge lack of management-level
candidates in Russia and that there is an existing and growing need for
managers of internet/technology projects there.

In summary, it has been clear for quite some time now that simply being
fairly bilingual is not nearly enough to get a job in or related to Russia.
Russians will learn English far faster than we will train Russian speakers,
as it makes more sense for them to do so now. And, more importantly, there
are plenty of Russian immigrants here who easily qualify if the only
requirement is language. For graduates to find work, they need a
professional skill that is in demand, and then the Russian language is a
very nice advantage. I believe it is possible to create an area studies
program that incorporates all of the areas of language, literature, and
culture (as they are important to understanding the people and environment)
along with in-depth study in areas of economics, political analysis,
journalism, engineering/science, management, or other subjects that provide
some extra ammunition in the job search later on.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Devin Browne" <dpbrowne+ at PITT.EDU>
To: <SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: program survival


> Emily's message about the health of Russian programs is interesting,
> because it comes on the heels of the messages that hit the list recently
> about the development of a Russian Studies major at some institutions.  I
> did some reading about language program enrollment attrition a few years
> ago and one of the recommendations I read was for institutions to develop

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From anon at example.com  Mon May 29 12:14:50 2000
From: anon at example.com (anon at example.com)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 14:14:50 +0200
Subject: How safe is Moscow for Americans?
Message-ID: <MON.29.MAY.2000.141450.0200.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

bailed out of the inner city for the suburbs early on. Those who bought our
house actually bailed on their mortgage after about a year as they were
frightened by the declining safety in the neighborhood. All of this
unfortunately probably awaits Russia as demographic shifts take place.

[Comment]  Why wouldn't esteemed colleagues avoid generalizing and trying
to fit their specific conditions on everybody? US are not the blueprint of
the future and I personally don't see what "demographic shifts" could lead
to the death of Russian inner cities and rise of the suburbs on their
American scale. Where else did these "shifts" take place?



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From dpbrowne+ at PITT.EDU  Mon May 29 13:26:42 2000
From: dpbrowne+ at PITT.EDU (Devin Browne)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 09:26:42 -0400
Subject: jobs 5/29
Message-ID: <MON.29.MAY.2000.092642.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

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From dpbrowne+ at PITT.EDU  Mon May 29 13:30:33 2000
From: dpbrowne+ at PITT.EDU (Devin Browne)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 09:30:33 -0400
Subject: oops!  sorry!
Message-ID: <MON.29.MAY.2000.093033.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Sorry - I accidentally sent a bunch of job postings meant for another email
address to the SEELANGS list.  Sorry for the inconvenience!

Devin

Devin P Browne
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu

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From simplify3 at JUNO.COM  Mon May 29 14:40:58 2000
From: simplify3 at JUNO.COM (Kenneth E Udut)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 10:40:58 -0400
Subject: program survival
Message-ID: <MON.29.MAY.2000.104058.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

One possible extension to a languages
and literature might be religious and cultural practices.

Example: A Russian language and literature
course could be complimented by
a set of courses on Russian Christianity,
Russian Judaism, Russian Buddhism, etc.

Another possibility is business practices.

Or a focus on scientists from the area that is
being studied.

-Kenneth

On Mon, 29 May 2000 00:22:57 -0400 Devin Browne <dpbrowne+ at PITT.EDU>
writes:
> Emily's message about the health of Russian programs is interesting,
> because it comes on the heels of the messages that hit the list
> recently
> about the development of a Russian Studies major at some
> institutions.  I
> did some reading about language program enrollment attrition a few
> years
> ago and one of the recommendations I read was for institutions to
> develop
> an area studies major which compliments language & literature
> majors.  I
> wonder if this is an approach we should all be looking at to a
> greater
> degree.
>
> Devin
>
> Devin P Browne
> dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu

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From renee at ALINGA.COM  Mon May 29 15:15:06 2000
From: renee at ALINGA.COM (Renee Stillings)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 11:15:06 -0400
Subject: How safe is Moscow for Americans?
Message-ID: <MON.29.MAY.2000.111506.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Demographic shifts involve the demise of the even distribution of all
"income groups" in each apartment building or region in Moscow for example.
It is already happening that some areas are becoming more prestigious than
others and collecting a population with more disposable income, while other
neighborhoods with buildings in poorer conditions begin to draw lower income
groups. This is the first step in the demographic shift as I see it. Luckily
it has been slow and maybe (I hope!) they will divert from our course, but
nonetheless it has started.

I don't think necessarily it is a US thing, simply a side effect of a market
economy. Perhaps I am too involved in the business side of life in Russia,
but this demographic shift is one thing that a successful long-term real
estate investor in Russia (not my area of work) would at least take into
consideration. Given lack of historical information about demographic shifts
in a free market economy in Russia, all that is left is to look at other
models in the world.

I don't believe I intended to make only a point about the rise of the
suburb--in fact in some areas it is declining and personally I hate the US
suburb model and now that I am old enough to make my own decisions will not
live in them. My (indirect) point about demographics was that there will be
shifts within the city and one effect is the rise of suburbs as an
alternative to the very expensive pricetag that comes along with "elite"
inner city neighborhoods. Suburbs also are rising in Moscow already and is a
very interesting phenomena to watch. I'd love to see a time lapse aerial
view of Moscow covering about 10-20 years.

> [Comment]  Why wouldn't esteemed colleagues avoid generalizing and trying
> to fit their specific conditions on everybody? US are not the blueprint of
> the future and I personally don't see what "demographic shifts" could lead
> to the death of Russian inner cities and rise of the suburbs on their
> American scale. Where else did these "shifts" take place?
>
> 

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From bougakov at MAIL.RU  Mon May 29 18:17:02 2000
From: bougakov at MAIL.RU (Alexandre Bougakov)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:17:02 +0400
Subject: How safe is Moscow for Americans? .. plus some comments and
 advices 'from the other side'
Message-ID: <MON.29.MAY.2000.221702.0400.BOUGAKOV@MAIL.RU>

Dear SELANGERS,

Maybe you are interested in some comments from the "other side"? You were
talking about  your own expirience and impressions from Moscow in different
years, but few words from the 'aboriginal' will be interesting for you, I
think?

Two months ago Alan asked me about conditions and safety in Moscow (it was
in RUSSIAN-STUDIES list at Mailbase) and I have answered, that..

> Moscow is as dangerous, as, for example, London,
> Berlin or Bonn - I was in that cities, so I can compare.
> Forget the stories about "Horrible Russian Mafia",
> "Corrupted state officials" and so on. In the "cold war"
> period everybody in Europe and US thought, that all
> Russians drink vodka or dance classic ballet, now
> journalists write about "Russian crime".

This discussion can be a good sociological example of myths in the society.
This also shows, that not only companies need PR to create good image,
countries need it too..

Alan, here are some practical advices, that might be useful:

1. Do not take a car in the airport. There are lots of taxi drivers who
will insistently ask you to take one. It will take too much money - better
go with bus. There are "Autoline" minibuses, which circulate between subway
stations and Sheremet'ievo.

2. If you have handy phone, better don't turn it on in the Airport. Do it
later if you need roaming.

3. You will have no problems with Visa, Cirrus/Maestro, EC and other credit
cards (some problems can be with AmEx and DinersClub). Many banks accept
cheques. But the easiest solution will be to take cash with. It will be not
a problem to exchange $$s in any place and any time.

Discount cards (if you have them) will help you only in big restaurans.

4. Never exchange $$s on the street, even if someone offers you good
exchange rates - it is a) illegal b) dangerous. Do it only in special
exchange offices (you will need passport, operator will give you receipt,
which you will show the customs officer in the airport, when you will go
back)

5. The optimal amount of money to carry with is 20-30 $ (in Rub., of
course) if you are not going to visit restaurans etc. You will not need
more.

6. You don't need to hide money in your shoe's sole. Ask the receptionist
in your hotel - they usually have safes for the guests. Or leave them in
your number - nothing will happen with them.

7. In the first day in Moscow buy a ticket valid for a month for both
subway and above-ground transport. You will walk around the city a lot,
making photos, visiting museums - it will be cheaper than to pay for each
trip separately.

8. Buy small subway map and always have it in your pocket - it is
absolutely necessary. (A friend of mine told me about his american friends,
who have called him late in the evening asking for help - they have said
that they "were lost". When he asked them, where they were calling from,
they have said "China town". My friend was startled - there is no
China-town in Moscow!!! Few minutes after he understood, that his friends
were in "Kitaj - gorod" subway station!! ;-)

You will like Moscow subway. It looks fantastic - every day I see groups of
tourists from Europe and US making hundreds of photograps of central
stations. And it is always breezy there - especially good if you were
walking around the city under hot sun.

It is good idea to avoid back-ends of the subway lines, especially after
midnight. But you have nothing to do there  - there is no good architecture
(these stations were built after Chrustchev, without "superfluities") and
nothing to see.

9. It is a good idea to buy city phone card and IP-telephony card to call
home. It is cheaper than to call using standard phone lines.

10. If you travel with notebook with modem installed, buy $5 or $10 scratch
card for dialup Internet access. I recommend MTU-Intel
(http://dialup.mtu.ru) and Cityline (www.cityline.ru). MTU cards can be
used to pay for IP phone calls. If you haven't got notebook, but need to
surf web and send emails - here -
http://www.provider.net.ru/list.cafe.shtml - is the list of Internet-cafes
in Moscow

11. Don't eat flannel cakes ("schaurma" in Russian, people in Berlin call
it "Kebap" - hope, you understand what I mean - I don't know exact
translation of this word into English). Better eat hotdogs in Danish Crown
shops or something like this. Don't eat anything sold near railway
terminuses or markets. Better visit bars and small restaurants under fresh
air, and enjoy good weather.

12. Weather forecasts can be found at http://www.rbc.ru/meteo/,
http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/MoscowRussia.html and http://www.meteo-tv.ru/.

By the way, I have found a nice website called Webcam.ru - http://Webcam.ru
- there are lots of frequently updated pictures of Moscow and other cities.
Visit it, it is interesting.


All other advices are the same for all big cities around the world. Don't
be provocative, showing lots of $$$ to everybody, do not visit suspicious
places. You will see, that you will newer have a fear of walking alone in
any area of my city or taking private cars, which are used as taxis more
often, as official ones in Moscow. My city is as dangerous as other big
cities in the world - you only have to be reasonable enough, have common
sense and respect for your environment - like anywhere on this planet.

Anyway, don't behave yourself as you are planning 'Soldiers of Fortune' -
style trip with lots of preparations (aren't you planning to take armoured
vest with ;-)   ? You aren't a spy who enters enemy fortress. Keep it
simple!!!

Sincerely yours,
Alexandre Bougakov <mailto:bougakov at mail.ru>
Sociological faculty of the Higher School of Economics
(http://www.hse.ru/fakultet/sociology/default.html), Moscow, Russian
Federation
My PGP key ID is 0x97F20C99, Key Fingerprint is C83C 5998 F43A BEB7 70DF
 B8FC CC5E 960E 97F2 0C99 (PGP version is 6.0.2i)



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From msherw at OREGON.UOREGON.EDU  Mon May 29 19:23:13 2000
From: msherw at OREGON.UOREGON.EDU (Marta Sherwood-Pike)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 12:23:13 -0700
Subject: How safe is Moscow for Americans?
In-Reply-To: <029301bfc814$7868d2e0$04b406d1@sbosmr.ma.cable.rcn.com>
Message-ID: <MON.29.MAY.2000.122313.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

        I just wanted to share that my experience has been, that the
likelihood of crime victimization in America has been greatly exaggerated
in the name of selling products and in diverting tax dollars to the
police. As a woman who has been single most of her life and has been
forced by poverty to live in bad urban neighborhoods, I can testify that a
few simple precautions will avert most serious crime. -Martha Sherwood-

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From colkitto at SPRINT.CA  Mon May 29 22:56:43 2000
From: colkitto at SPRINT.CA (Robert Orr)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 18:56:43 -0400
Subject: How safe is Moscow for Americans?
Message-ID: <MON.29.MAY.2000.185643.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

.
Subject: Re: How safe is Moscow for Americans?


>bailed out of the inner city for the suburbs early on. Those who bought our
>house actually bailed on their mortgage after about a year as they were
>frightened by the declining safety in the neighborhood. All of this
>unfortunately probably awaits Russia as demographic shifts take place.
>
>[Comment]  Why wouldn't esteemed colleagues avoid generalizing and trying
>to fit their specific conditions on everybody? US are not the blueprint of
>the future and I personally don't see what "demographic shifts" could lead
>to the death of Russian inner cities and rise of the suburbs on their
>American scale. Where else did these "shifts" take place?


To some extent, in certain cities in Britain

Robert Orr

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From: AMandelker at AOL.COM (AMandelker at AOL.COM)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 21:20:59 EDT
Subject: subscribing to SEELANGS
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From dpbrowne+ at PITT.EDU  Tue May 30 10:39:14 2000
From: dpbrowne+ at PITT.EDU (Devin Browne)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 06:39:14 -0400
Subject: program survival
Message-ID: <TUE.30.MAY.2000.063914.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Renee did a great job at summing up a number of reasons to develop Russian
Studies programs.  She even mentioned that technical translation is another
area that is rarely offered (I'd add "usually shunned" to that as well) and
would do well to compliment an area studies major.  It seems that a Russian
Studies major, maybe even a self-designed Russian studies major, has
potential to tap into a number of students who are interested in Russian
and Russia but for reasons that reflect work in the business world.
Wouldn't this help with enrollment and make Russian accessible to more
people?

So now I'm wondering if anyone is already doing this as an undergraduate
major?  Has anyone been seeing any success?  Please share.

Devin

Devin P Browne
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu

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From renee at ALINGA.COM  Tue May 30 12:12:07 2000
From: renee at ALINGA.COM (Renee Stillings)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 08:12:07 -0400
Subject: program survival
Message-ID: <TUE.30.MAY.2000.081207.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

If to take what feedback I have heard from my students (during their study
abroad to Russia) I have to say that I have heard consistently the most
comments from University of Denver students who felt their program (while
small) was pretty progressive. I believe Dr. Luc Beaudoin still heads up
that department and the students mention that he encourages quite strongly
that they combine their Russian Studies with such areas as economics. I
don't know how that has reflected overall on DU curriculum for Russian
Studies, but I'm sure you can see what they are offering at their web site
(www.du.edu) and contact that department through it.

I would also recommend contacting Monterey Institute of International
Studies (www.miis.edu I believe). They are doing area studies relative to an
MBA or Public Admin degree, along with being a top translation school. While
their programs are at the graduate level, I believe it is still possible to
apply the structure of their program to the undergrad level very
successfully.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Devin Browne" <dpbrowne+ at PITT.EDU>
To: <SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: program survival


> Renee did a great job at summing up a number of reasons to develop Russian
> Studies programs.  She even mentioned that technical translation is
another
> area that is rarely offered (I'd add "usually shunned" to that as well)
and ...

> So now I'm wondering if anyone is already doing this as an undergraduate
> major?  Has anyone been seeing any success?  Please share.
>

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From ewb2 at CORNELL.EDU  Tue May 30 14:18:02 2000
From: ewb2 at CORNELL.EDU (Wayles Browne)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 10:18:02 -0400
Subject: Call for papers: Slavic Semantics
Message-ID: <TUE.30.MAY.2000.101802.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Call for papers -- Special Semantics Issue of Journal of Slavic Linguistics.

Submissions are invited for a special issue of the Journal of Slavic
Linguistics devoted to issues in the semantics of Slavic languages. The issue
will be guest-edited by Wayles Browne and Barbara Partee. The usual
stylesheet and submission guidelines apply; see any issue of JSL for model
style, or find the stylesheet at the website http://slavica.com/jsl/index.html

Send 4 double-spaced copies of your (anonymous) manuscript, accompanied
by a separate page identifying yourself, to

 Wayles Browne, Assoc. Prof. of Linguistics
 Department of Linguistics
 Morrill Hall, Cornell University
 Ithaca, New York 14853, U.S.A.

 tel. 607-255-0712 (o), 607-273-3009 (h)
 fax 607-255-2044 (write FOR W. BROWNE)
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Target date August 1, 2000. No absolute length limit, but
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From a.jameson at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Tue May 30 16:11:33 2000
From: a.jameson at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Andrew Jameson)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 17:11:33 +0100
Subject: Fw: program survival
Message-ID: <TUE.30.MAY.2000.171133.0100.>

Dear russian-studies colleagues,

The SEELANGS list (America and worldwide) has initiated a
discussion about introducing Russian area studies as a
supplement to Russian language and literature studies in American
universities.
(See the message below.)

Maybe British colleagues, who I know have had
many years experience of such developments, would like to
offer some practical advice?

I can forward messages to SEELANGS, or you can join youselves
by following the directions appended at the end of this message.

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Languages and Professional Development
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From: Devin Browne <dpbrowne+ at PITT.EDU>
To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Re: program survival
Date: 30 May 2000 11:39

Renee did a great job at summing up a number of reasons to develop Russian
Studies programs.  She even mentioned that technical translation is another
area that is rarely offered (I'd add "usually shunned" to that as well) and
would do well to compliment an area studies major.  It seems that a Russian
Studies major, maybe even a self-designed Russian studies major, has
potential to tap into a number of students who are interested in Russian
and Russia but for reasons that reflect work in the business world.
Wouldn't this help with enrollment and make Russian accessible to more
people?

So now I'm wondering if anyone is already doing this as an undergraduate
major?  Has anyone been seeing any success?  Please share.

Devin

Devin P Browne
dpbrowne+ at pitt.edu

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From laurengl at PTWI.NET  Tue May 30 18:47:59 2000
From: laurengl at PTWI.NET (Lauren Leighton)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 13:47:59 -0500
Subject: Russian Studies
Message-ID: <TUE.30.MAY.2000.134759.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

While at Northern Illinois University in the 1970s I introduced a
comprehensive Russian studies program based on my graduate training at the
Indiana University Russian and East European Institute and previous
experience as a teacher in such programs at two other institutions. Because
of the way NIU's curriculum was designed, it became easy for Russian majors
to earn a double-major B.A. degree with another discipline. I can say the
program was a success to the degree that departments of history and
political science greatly improved their FTEs and increased enrollments by
ca. 80-90 majors over the next several years. However, neither these or any
other department in those anti-language days sent us a single major. And in
fact, due to the competitive atmosphere at a time of severe budget cuts,
students in those departments, including Russian studies majors, were
privately urged NOT to take Russian courses which were deemed too competive
with conceivably analogous courses in other disclipines. I continue to
believe that Russian studies programs are intrinsically valuable, and in
fact should always have been a component offering of any undergraduate
program. But the fact remains that, historically, they have added numbers to
other departments, but not to language departments. And if colleagues in
other disciplines do not agree with the value, and in fact the necessity, of
language study for their students, such programs ought to be considered
cautiously. Please do not take this as a note of discouragement. Quite the
contrary, Russian and other interdisciplinary programs are important in
their own right. But my experience prompts me to suggest careful attention
to how such programs ought to be introduced and managed.

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From brifkin at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU  Tue May 30 19:58:20 2000
From: brifkin at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU (Benjamin Rifkin)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:58:20 -0500
Subject: job announcement
Message-ID: <TUE.30.MAY.2000.145820.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

*****
PLEASE DIRECT ANY AND ALL QUERIES ABOUT THIS JOB TO
PROF. KATHRYN HENDLEY,
CREECA, 210 Ingraham Hall, 1155 Observatory Drive, Madison, WI 53706.
tel. 608-263-5135.
******

Job Announcement
Associate Director
Center for Russia, East Europe, and Central Asia
University of Wisconsin-Madison

The Center for Russia, East Europe, and Central Asia (CREECA) invites
applications for the position of Associate Director.  Directed by Professor
Kathryn Hendley, CREECA is a longstanding interdisciplinary program
designed to foster new knowledge and understanding of Russia, East Europe,
and Central Asia.  CREECA serves as a community resource through
coordinated outreach activities, and trains scholars through a range of
educational programs.  CREECA advised students at the undergraduate and
graduate level, sponsors conferences, lectures, seminars, and supports
faculty research.  It is one of the constituent programs of the
International Institute at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.

The Associate Director of CREECA will be the lead academic staff employee
of the program with broad management and supervisory responsibilities.  The
Associate Director will also teach at the university and be expected to
conduct his or her own research.  The primary duties are:

--      Work with the faculty Director of CREECA to develop CREECA policy and
strengthen the CREECA program's capacity to fulfill its core mission.

--      Manage the CREECA Department of Education Title VI program activities,
including an annual budget currently in the range of $190,000 per year and
annual FLAS fellowships worth approximately $129,000 per year.  Supervise
CREECA staff (secretarial, graduate project assistants, financial
specialist, and student help) for on-going program activities.

--      Develop and manage the CREECA seminar series, and oversee the writing
and editing of CREECA's bimonthly newsletter.

--      Advise undergraduate and graduate students interested in Russian, East
European, and Central Asian studies, including MA students and students
registered for the certificate programs.

--      Assist the Director with the development of CREECA fund-raising
strategies and write grant proposals for extramural funding to support
CREECA programming and student fellowships.

--      Develop CREECA outreach programming plans and supervise outreach
staff in the delivery of outreach services to local, state, regional, and
national audiences.

--      Represent the Director and CREECA in meetings and committees on campus
and at national/international venues as appropriate.

--      Teach two courses during the academic year related to the region,
selected each year in conjunction with the Director and the appropriate
campus department.

Qualifications:

--      Ability in budget and program management (experience preferred)
--      Ability in extramural grant preparation (experience preferred)
--      Ph.D. degree in Russian, East European, and Central Asian Studies
(East European social science specialization preferred)
--      University teaching experience preferred


Position Information:

The position will be a limited term UW-Madison academic staff position
carrying the employment title of Assistant Faculty Associate and a working
title of Associate Director.  The annual 12-month salary for the position
will be minimum $43,000.  The position carries with it state employment
benefits including health insurance and state retirement.  The position is
subject to the availability of federal funding effective August 15, 2000.


How to Apply:

        Interested applicants should write a letter of interest indicating their
qualifications and submit it with an up-to-date curriculum vitae, graduate
transcript, writing sample, and three letters of recommendation.
Applications may be submitted at any time and will be reviewed immediately
upon receipt.  The ensure consideration, applications should be received by
July 1, 2000.  Applications should be sent to: Professor Kathryn Hendley,
CREECA, 210 Ingraham Hall, 1155 Observatory Drive, Madison, WI 53706.
Questions about the position and the CREECA program may be directed to
Professor Kathryn Hendley at 608-263-5135.

The University of Wisconsin-Madison is an equal opportunity employer.
Applicants should be aware that, under the Wisconsin State Open Records
law, unless confidentiality is requested in writing, information regarding
applicants must be released upon request, and finalists cannot be
guaranteed confidentiality.

*****
PLEASE DIRECT ANY AND ALL QUERIES ABOUT THIS JOB TO
PROF. KATHRYN HENDLEY,
CREECA, 210 Ingraham Hall, 1155 Observatory Drive, Madison, WI 53706.
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From elenakh at RCCD.CC.CA.US  Tue May 30 20:18:30 2000
From: elenakh at RCCD.CC.CA.US (Elena Kobzeva)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 13:18:30 -0700
Subject: Russian AATSEEL Phonetic langauge.
Message-ID: <TUE.30.MAY.2000.131830.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

 Collegues,

I am trying to find Russian AATSEEL Phonetic language and install it in my
new computer. I lost somewhere my old one. Is it possible to download it ?
Please help me as soon as possible.
Thank you.
Elena Kobzeva

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From tancockk at UVIC.CA  Tue May 30 20:31:31 2000
From: tancockk at UVIC.CA (Kat Tancock)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 13:31:31 -0700
Subject: Russian keyboard encodings
In-Reply-To: <l03130300b5548a62ac66@[193.250.51.31]>
Message-ID: <TUE.30.MAY.2000.133131.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Thanks for the tip,

Kat
--
Kat Tancock
UVic Language Centre
http://web.uvic.ca/langcen
tancockk at uvic.ca

> From: Adassovsky Georges <gadassov at WANADOO.FR>
> Reply-To: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list
> <SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 21:30:19 +0100
> To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
> Subject: Re: Russian keyboard encodings
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm looking for an expert in Russian keyboard encodings. If anyone is out
>> there, could you email me privately? I'm wondering if it's possible to
>> transfer a file in Russian from Mac to PC. I know a lot about encodings on
>> Mac, but not so much about Windows.
>
> I'm not an expert, but I use a Mac, and send files to PC.
> I use Eudora, with "Eudora cyrillic tables" as a plug in. (free on the site)
> You need:
> 1) cyrillic Mac fonts
> 2) cyrillic keyboard (inside "system")
>
> Once you have set up the keyboard flag, at the top right of your menu bar,
> to "Russian", and the font of "Eudora" on some Mac Russian, you type your
> message (need to know the Russian keyboard by heart, it's not QWERTY!).
> After that, you go to to "message", "change", and "translitteration".
> You choose the translitteration to the system of your correspondent (you
> need to know his system)
>
> Not very simple, but that work.
>
> Georges.
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From: AHRJJ at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (Alex Rudd)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 01:34:16 EDT
Subject: subscribing to SEELANGS
In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 29 May 2000 21:20:59 EDT
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On Mon, 29 May 2000 21:20:59 EDT Amy Mandelker said:
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From mllemily at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU  Wed May 31 10:12:33 2000
From: mllemily at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU (Emily Tall)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:12:33 +0000
Subject: Russian Studies
Message-ID: <WED.31.MAY.2000.101233.0000.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

At the State University of New York at Buffalo we did have a Russian studies
"special major" made up of courses in Russian plus others in poli. sci and
history. In recent years, however, the poli.sci. prof. has been saying that it
is better , for professional purposes, to have a major in a discipline, such as
political science, rather than in Russian studies. So then we had people
minoring in Russian. Emily Tall,

Lauren Leighton wrote:

> While at Northern Illinois University in the 1970s I introduced a
> comprehensive Russian studies program based on my graduate training at the
> Indiana University Russian and East European Institute and previous
> experience as a teacher in such programs at two other institutions. Because
> of the way NIU's curriculum was designed, it became easy for Russian majors
> to earn a double-major B.A. degree with another discipline. I can say the
> program was a success to the degree that departments of history and
> political science greatly improved their FTEs and increased enrollments by
> ca. 80-90 majors over the next several years. However, neither these or any
> other department in those anti-language days sent us a single major. And in
> fact, due to the competitive atmosphere at a time of severe budget cuts,
> students in those departments, including Russian studies majors, were
> privately urged NOT to take Russian courses which were deemed too competive
> with conceivably analogous courses in other disclipines. I continue to
> believe that Russian studies programs are intrinsically valuable, and in
> fact should always have been a component offering of any undergraduate
> program. But the fact remains that, historically, they have added numbers to
> other departments, but not to language departments. And if colleagues in
> other disciplines do not agree with the value, and in fact the necessity, of
> language study for their students, such programs ought to be considered
> cautiously. Please do not take this as a note of discouragement. Quite the
> contrary, Russian and other interdisciplinary programs are important in
> their own right. But my experience prompts me to suggest careful attention
> to how such programs ought to be introduced and managed.
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From renee at ALINGA.COM  Wed May 31 16:29:35 2000
From: renee at ALINGA.COM (Renee Stillings)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:29:35 -0400
Subject: Russian Studies
Message-ID: <WED.31.MAY.2000.122935.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

> At the State University of New York at Buffalo we did have a Russian
studies
> "special major" made up of courses in Russian plus others in poli. sci and
> history. In recent years, however, the poli.sci. prof. has been saying
that it
> is better , for professional purposes, to have a major in a discipline,
such as
> political science, rather than in Russian studies. So then we had people
> minoring in Russian. Emily Tall,
>

I am not surprised to hear this and further, if to look at things from the
business world I also work in, until I get the impression that Russian area
studies offer enough depth in disciplines such as economics or political
analysis, and all other factors aside, I would probably hire a candidate
with the discipline I was looking for and would appreciate their foresight
in taking a minor in Russian. I would worry a lot about someone who was
applying for an analyst position in an investment bank working with Russia,
who's major life-investment decision was to major in Russian rather than
economics or finance. Not because they couldn't understand and do the job,
but because they at some point made that decision probably without thinking.
It's not like Russian is one of those majors that people finish up because
it is easy. There is considerable effort (and money!) put into it. (What is
truly amazing is that someone can easily spend $100K on a Russian degree and
never go to Russia during studies. Really, if I had my way, the student
should not be allowed to graduate with that degree--major or minor. Just
doesn't reflect well on the standards of the department and school.) If my
kid told me he was majoring in Russian, I'd minimally look very closely at
the curriculum plus the reputation of that school's curriculum in the
business world that will ultimately hire him. Then after a cost analysis I'd
probably send him to Russia for a couple of years instead. A lot of
employers, including myself, place more emphasis on in-country experience
than anything else.

Actually, from inside the business world of Moscow, one school does stand
out--Columbia. In good part it is through their networking, but really,
Columbia grads flooded the financial market scene in Russia pre-crisis.
Don't know what they are doing now, but certainly then, it brough my
attention more to that university. I believe I do recall hearing that study
abroad in the NIS is virtually required there though.

As much as I am a proponent of Russian language study (much of my livelihood
depends on it), I am first and foremost interested in making sure my
students have a chance at getting a job. Sure it isn't just a selfless
act--those same students that we sit and discuss job markets with are the
very ones that supply our organization with the very best and useful
references--not just about us, but about Russia and the opportunities there.
I also get a huge sense of satisfaction out of seeing a student find some
direction and focus, as I went through the same thing in 1990 and have been
involved in tremendously exciting things in Russia ever since. An increase
in the number of positions for teachers of Russian language and literature
will be driven not by a tremendous surge in the interest in Russian poetry
or art or anything else that more often than not garners a not-so-lucrative
job, but by an overall surge from other sectors that are much bigger and
begin to target Russia--oil & gas, finance and investment, hi-tech, int'l
trade, environmental, etc. Financially, it seems to me that it is more
interesting to have 200 Russian minors, than 12 majors, and that is a far
more natural balance to the job market.

As a parallel to this, we ourselves have actually spent more efforts on
marketing to departments other than Russian over the past year (for study
abroad). Given the current size of Russian departments, we see departments
of economics, history, etc. as a potentially bigger market and ultimately if
we can bring over business or science students, for example, and create some
enthusiasm for Russia, there is a greater chance they will take some Russian
classes again when they go home--again, as long as there is a relation to
practical disciplines and not only literature.

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From bougakov at MAIL.RU  Wed May 31 17:09:45 2000
From: bougakov at MAIL.RU (Alexandre Bougakov)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 21:09:45 +0400
Subject: How safe is Moscow for Americans? .. plus some comments and
 advices 'from the other side' - 2
Message-ID: <WED.31.MAY.2000.210945.0400.BOUGAKOV@MAIL.RU>

P.S. After posting my first message with advices I have found a nice
website "Russia for Visitors" http://gorussia.about.com/travel/gorussia/ -
it is in English. Lots of useful info, answers to common questions, etc.

Alan, you can check
http://gorussia.about.com/travel/gorussia/library/weekly/aa091899.htm - it
is "How dangerous is Russian crime" article on this site.

And forget about "unusually cold May" (words from the first page of this
website) - it is actually +27C behind my window!! If it is "cold", I'm
chinese pilot!!

Sincerely yours,
Alexandre Bougakov <mailto:bougakov at mail.ru>
Student of the sociological faculty of the Higher School of Economics
(http://www.hse.ru/fakultet/sociology/default.html), Moscow, Russian
Federation
My website is http://SocioLink.narod.ru/ (thousands of sociology related
links on the Web
- in Russian, Microsoft Internet Explorer 4 or higher is required)
My PGP key ID is 0x97F20C99, Key Fingerprint is C83C 5998 F43A BEB7 70DF
 B8FC CC5E 960E 97F2 0C99 (PGP version is 6.0.2i)

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From eb7 at IS2.NYU.EDU  Wed May 31 19:18:13 2000
From: eb7 at IS2.NYU.EDU (Eliot Borenstein)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 14:18:13 -0500
Subject: Getting a guest visa for a Russian visitor
Message-ID: <WED.31.MAY.2000.141813.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Hello, everyone,

        I'd like to invite some friends from Moscow to come visit for
a few weeks, and I was wondering if anyone knows whether the
procedure has changed in recent years.  As I recall from the last
time I did this (1996), I need to write a letter to my friends
inviting them to come to stay with me, and they take that letter and
their zagranpasport to the US consular section in Moscow.  Is there
anything else that needs to be done?

        Please reply *OFF-LIST*, and I will post a summary in a
couple of days in order to avoid cluttering up people's maiboxes.

        Thanks,

                Eliot Borenstein
                eb7 at is2.nyu.edu

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From esyellen at HOTMAIL.COM  Wed May 31 19:51:38 2000
From: esyellen at HOTMAIL.COM (Elizabeth Sara Yellen)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 15:51:38 EDT
Subject: call for papers
Message-ID: <WED.31.MAY.2000.155138.EDT.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

CALL FOR PAPERS
Colloque Nina Berberova(Nina Berberova at 100), an international conference
to be held Oct. 18-21, 2001, in Arles, France, seeks papers related to Nina
Nikolaevna Berberova. Papers addressing issues in poetics, culture,
translation, and film are encouraged. Send abstracts (in English, Russian,
or French) to Dr. Ruth Rischin <mrischin at sfsu.edu> or Dr. Elizabeth Yellen
<esyellen at hotmail.com>. Deadline: Nov. 1, 2000.
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