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From: zodyp at BELOIT.EDU (Patricia Zody)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 09:43:34 -0500
Subject: Scholarships Still Available at Beloit
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From fjm6 at COLUMBIA.EDU  Tue May  1 15:18:00 2001
From: fjm6 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Frank J. Miller)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 11:18:00 -0400
Subject: CALL FOR NOMINATIONS FOR AATSEEL VPs
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The AATSEEL Committee on Nominations, Elections, and Awards is calling for
nominations for the following position:

                Vice President (2002-2004)

                Two persons are to be chosen for this three-year term.

Please forward all nominations to       Frank Miller <fjm6 at columbia.edu),
Chair of the Committee on
                           Nominations, Elections and Awards

    or to the Committee members Olga Kagan <okagan at humnet.ucla.edu>
                        Beth Holmgren <beth_holmgren at unc.edu>

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From fjm6 at COLUMBIA.EDU  Tue May  1 15:17:53 2001
From: fjm6 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Frank J. Miller)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 11:17:53 -0400
Subject: CALL FOR NOMINATIONS FOR AATSEEL AWARDS
Message-ID: <TUE.1.MAY.2001.111753.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

The AATSEEL Committee on Nominations, Elections, and Awards is calling for
nominations for the following awards:

                Teaching at the Secondary Level
                Teaching at the Postsecondary Level
                Service to the AATSEEL
                Contribution to the Profession
                Achievement in Scholarship

Please forward all nominations to       Frank Miller <fjm6 at columbia.edu),
Chair of the Committee on
                           Nominations, Elections and Awards

    or to the Committee members Olga Kagan <okagan at humnet.ucla.edu>
                        Beth Holmgren <beth_holmgren at unc.edu>

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From brifkin at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU  Tue May  1 15:44:00 2001
From: brifkin at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU (Benjamin Rifkin)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 10:44:00 -0500
Subject: CALL FOR NOMINATIONS FOR AATSEEL AWARDS
In-Reply-To: <v03007802b71480598cda@[128.59.42.53]>
Message-ID: <TUE.1.MAY.2001.104400.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Frank, I officially nominate Emilia Hramova for the award for
excellence in teaching at the post-secondary level.

All my best,

Ben




>The AATSEEL Committee on Nominations, Elections, and Awards is calling for
>nominations for the following awards:
>
>                 Teaching at the Secondary Level
>                 Teaching at the Postsecondary Level
>                 Service to the AATSEEL
>                 Contribution to the Profession
>                 Achievement in Scholarship
>
>Please forward all nominations to       Frank Miller <fjm6 at columbia.edu),
>Chair of the Committee on
>                            Nominations, Elections and Awards
>
>     or to the Committee members Olga Kagan <okagan at humnet.ucla.edu>
>                         Beth Holmgren <beth_holmgren at unc.edu>
>
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Associate Professor, Slavic Dept., UW-Madison
1432 Van Hise Hall, 1220 Linden Drive
Madison, WI 53706 USA
voice:  (608) 262-1623; fax: (608) 265-2814
http://polyglot.lss.wisc.edu/slavic/rifkin/


Director, Russian School, Middlebury College
Freeman International Center
Middlebury, VT 05753 USA
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From brifkin at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU  Tue May  1 15:44:36 2001
From: brifkin at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU (Benjamin Rifkin)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 10:44:36 -0500
Subject: apologies
Message-ID: <TUE.1.MAY.2001.104436.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I apologize for posting that previous message to the list!

- Ben Rifkin

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Director, Russian School, Middlebury College
Freeman International Center
Middlebury, VT 05753 USA
voice: (802) 443-5533; fax: (802) 443-5394
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From alla-n at HOME.COM  Tue May  1 18:38:33 2001
From: alla-n at HOME.COM (Alla Nedoresow)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 14:38:33 -0400
Subject: drivers and/or transfers
Message-ID: <TUE.1.MAY.2001.143833.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Folks,

Do any of you have recommendations of how best to get from and to Sheremetevo-2? Feeling a bit squeamish about taxis and taxi drivers in Moscow, I feel reluctant to take chances with that mode of transport. Does anyone know of a reliable agency that offers pick-up and drop-off services between downtown Moscow and the airport? Has anyone had experience with a transfer service called "go-to.ru"? I'm most thankful for any and all advice you may offer me on this subject.

Alla

Alla Nedoresow
102 School Lane
Trenton, NJ 08618-5021 USA
alla-n at home.com
+1 609 392-5231

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From eginzbur at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Tue May  1 19:51:58 2001
From: eginzbur at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (elizabeth ginzburg)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 14:51:58 -0500
Subject: drivers and/or transfers
In-Reply-To: <005101c0d26d$ed2a1440$6501a8c0@trntn1.nj.home.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.1.MAY.2001.145158.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I WOULD NOT take a taxi alone.
There are 2 buses - both are going in your direction.
Change 5 dollars at the airoport, take a bus and then take either a train
(from eithe r Planernaya or Rechnoi vokzal) or a taxi.
Liza Ginzburg


On Tue, 1 May 2001, Alla Nedoresow wrote:

> Dear Folks,
>
> Do any of you have recommendations of how best to get from and to Sheremetevo-2? Feeling a bit squeamish about taxis and taxi drivers in Moscow, I feel reluctant to take chances with that mode of transport. Does anyone know of a reliable agency that offers pick-up and drop-off services between downtown Moscow and the airport? Has anyone had experience with a transfer service called "go-to.ru"? I'm most thankful for any and all advice you may offer me on this subject.
>
> Alla
>
> Alla Nedoresow
> 102 School Lane
> Trenton, NJ 08618-5021 USA
> alla-n at home.com
> +1 609 392-5231
>
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From collins.232 at OSU.EDU  Tue May  1 20:47:13 2001
From: collins.232 at OSU.EDU (Daniel Collins)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 16:47:13 -0400
Subject: South Slavic Linguistics Monograph Available
Message-ID: <TUE.1.MAY.2001.164713.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

>ANNOUNCING:
>
>In Honor of Diversity:  The Linguistic Resources of the Balkans
>
>By Ronelle Alexander, University of California, Berkeley
>
>No. 2 in The Kenneth E. Naylor Memorial Lecture Series in South
>Slavic Linguistics (2000)
>[Series Editor:  Brian D. Joseph, Kenneth E. Naylor Professor of
>South Slavic Linguistics (Ohio State University)]
>
>A Publication of the Department of Slavic and East European Languages
>and Literatures, Ohio State University, Columbus, Ohio (USA)
>
>Based on the author's 1999 Naylor Memorial Lecture, this richly
>documented 120-page monograph provides an overview of South Slavic
>dialectology, with attention to the social and political dimensions
>to dialect differences in the Slavic languages of the Balkans as well
>as to traditional dialectological isoglosses and classifications. Dr.
>Alexander includes 20 maps and a splendidly thorough 50-page
>bibliography that lists all the important works in South Slavic
>dialectology in the past 150 years.
>
>$6.00(US), shipping included; address inquiries and orders to: Naylor
>Lecture Series, Department of Slavic and East European Languages and
>Literatures, 232 Cunz Hall, Ohio State University, Columbus, Ohio,
>USA 43210-1215 (e-mail to slavicdept at osu.edu).
>
>Also available from the same series:
>
>Linguistic Emblems and Emblematic Languages:  On Language as Flag in
the Balkans, by Victor A. Friedman, the University of Chicago

Daniel E. Collins, Chair
Department of Slavic and East European Languages and Literatures
The Ohio State University
232 Cunz Hall
1841 Millikin Road
Columbus, Ohio 43210-1215

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From fjm6 at COLUMBIA.EDU  Wed May  2 02:54:18 2001
From: fjm6 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Frank J. Miller)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 22:54:18 -0400
Subject: CALL FOR NOMINATIONS FOR AATSEEL AWARDS
In-Reply-To: <p05001911b7148a258df1@[144.92.165.248]>
Message-ID: <TUE.1.MAY.2001.225418.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Thanks Ben - so far she's been an "unofficial" candidate.

Frank


>Frank, I officially nominate Emilia Hramova for the award for
>excellence in teaching at the post-secondary level.
>
>All my best,
>
>Ben
>
>
>
>
>>The AATSEEL Committee on Nominations, Elections, and Awards is calling for
>>nominations for the following awards:
>>
>>                 Teaching at the Secondary Level
>>                 Teaching at the Postsecondary Level
>>                 Service to the AATSEEL
>>                 Contribution to the Profession
>>                 Achievement in Scholarship
>>
>>Please forward all nominations to       Frank Miller <fjm6 at columbia.edu),
>>Chair of the Committee on
>>                            Nominations, Elections and Awards
>>
>>     or to the Committee members Olga Kagan <okagan at humnet.ucla.edu>
>>                         Beth Holmgren <beth_holmgren at unc.edu>
>>
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>--
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Benjamin Rifkin
>
>Associate Professor, Slavic Dept., UW-Madison
>1432 Van Hise Hall, 1220 Linden Drive
>Madison, WI 53706 USA
>voice:  (608) 262-1623; fax: (608) 265-2814
>http://polyglot.lss.wisc.edu/slavic/rifkin/
>
>
>Director, Russian School, Middlebury College
>Freeman International Center
>Middlebury, VT 05753 USA
>voice: (802) 443-5533; fax: (802) 443-5394
>http://www.middlebury.edu/~ls/Russian/
>
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From babyaking at STRATOS.NET  Wed May  2 05:46:12 2001
From: babyaking at STRATOS.NET (Hoyte & Elena King)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 22:46:12 -0700
Subject: drivers and/or transfers
Message-ID: <TUE.1.MAY.2001.224612.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Alla Nedoresow wrote:

> Dear Folks,
>
> Do any of you have recommendations of how best to get from and to Sheremetevo-2? Feeling a bit squeamish about taxis and taxi drivers in Moscow, I feel reluctant to take chances with that mode of transport. Does anyone know of a reliable agency that offers pick-up and drop-off services between downtown Moscow and the airport? Has anyone had experience with a transfer service called "go-to.ru"? I'm most thankful for any and all advice you may offer me on this subject.
>
> Alla
>
> Alla Nedoresow
> 102 School Lane
> Trenton, NJ 08618-5021 USA
> alla-n at home.com
> +1 609 392-5231
>
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There is a public bus right outside.  The bus route ends at a metro stop.  Easy, safe and inexpensive.

Hoyte King

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From yamato at YT.CACHE.WASEDA.AC.JP  Wed May  2 09:34:47 2001
From: yamato at YT.CACHE.WASEDA.AC.JP (Yoshimasa Tsuji)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 18:34:47 +0900
Subject: drivers and/or transfers
In-Reply-To: <005101c0d26d$ed2a1440$6501a8c0@trntn1.nj.home.com> (message from
 Alla Nedoresow on Tue, 1 May 2001 14:38:33 -0400)
Message-ID: <WED.2.MAY.2001.183447.0900.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Hello, there.
>Do any of you have recommendations of how best to get from and to =
>Sheremetevo-2? Feeling a bit squeamish about taxis and taxi drivers in =
>Moscow, I feel reluctant to take chances with that mode of transport. =
>Does anyone know of a reliable agency that offers pick-up and drop-off =
>services between downtown Moscow and the airport? Has anyone had =
>experience with a transfer service called "go-to.ru"? I'm most thankful =
>for any and all advice you may offer me on this subject.

Only the taxis from Sheremetievo are extremely expensive and have
odious reputation. Others are all right.
You have three choices:
    1. cheapest: use an ordinary bus (8 or 10 roubles to the tube station
            Rechnoj Vokzal). Overseas visitors are rare. If you
      are not in a hurry, you can kill time watching people in the bus.
    2. standard: use an express bus (15 or 20 roubles to tube stations --
          Rechnoj Vokzal, Planernaja, Vojkovskaja, Kievskaja; the one to
          Rechnoj Vokzal is easiest to find and most frequent).
       Most well-to-do Russians (those who are not too rich) use this.
    3. expensive: contact your host or your hotel and ask them to send
       their tax driver to pick you up. The going rate is $25, but you
       may need a bit more.

At any event, do not try to find a "reliable" taxi at the airport (I don't
recommend even the Intourist office there!). No sane Russians do so.
Everyone knows that the airports are the domains of mafioso (the complex of
security service, police, civil servants and the criminals): ordinary, honest
taxi drivers are forbidden to operate there, except when they put their car
in the car park, meet people at the way out, and drive them to the town.

Cheers,
Tsuji

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From sao15 at COLUMBIA.EDU  Wed May  2 17:20:47 2001
From: sao15 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Serguei Alex. Oushakine)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 10:20:47 -0700
Subject: An international seminar on newspaper management in Kalmar,
 Sweden for C&E Europeans
Message-ID: <WED.2.MAY.2001.102047.0700.SAO15@COLUMBIA.EDU>

Seminar: An international seminar on newspaper management. In Kalmar,
Sweden. Seminar is open for editors-in-chief from Belarus, Estonia, Latvia,
Lithuania, Poland, Russia and Ukraine. Organized by the Institute for
Further Education of Journalists (Fojo), Kalmar, Sweden. Application
deadline is September 2. For more information, contact: Fojo, Box 633,
SE-391 26 Kalmar, Sweden. Telephone (46-480) 446-4 00. Fax (46-480) 446-420.
E-mail margareta.freij at hik.se Web site www.fo.hik.se

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From mep2 at ST-ANDREWS.AC.UK  Wed May  2 17:11:43 2001
From: mep2 at ST-ANDREWS.AC.UK (Maija Elina Paasiaro)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 18:11:43 +0100
Subject: Teaching Placements in St Petersburg
Message-ID: <WED.2.MAY.2001.181143.0100.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Sir/Madam,
I am a twenty year old, trilingual second year student of Modern History
and Russian at the University of St Andrews in Scotland and am currently
looking for placements for my year abroad (school year 2001-2002). I would
ideally like to teach English (although I am also a native speaker of
Finnish and German) at a school in St Petersburg. I would be most grateful
if you could get in touch with me if you know of any such placements.
Thank you in advance,
Maija Paasiaro

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From jschill at AMERICAN.EDU  Wed May  2 20:31:45 2001
From: jschill at AMERICAN.EDU (John Schillinger)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 16:31:45 -0400
Subject: We've lost your list serve
Message-ID: <WED.2.MAY.2001.163145.0400.>

My colleague, Alina Israeli and I, have not received SEELANGS mail since
April 19.  Our computer center tells us we need to contact you, since
the problem is between your server and our system.  Maybe other
SEELANGERS are suddenly having this problem (?)
     To whom should our center manager address an e-mail?
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From cueland at DREW.EDU  Wed May  2 21:13:03 2001
From: cueland at DREW.EDU (Carol Ueland)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 17:13:03 -0400
Subject: Translation help
Message-ID: <WED.2.MAY.2001.171303.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Seelangers,
     I have a senior who is translating two skazki as an honors
project.  One of them is entitled "Suvorushka" from the collection
"Sibirskie skazki" collected by I.S. Korovkin and published in
Novosibirsk in 1973.  There is one word which has us stumped, even our
resident native speakers.  It is "na fatere" and occurs in the following
context: "A gde Druzhevna Korolevna?  Ona vot na fatere u babushki.
Togda vse troe poshli tuda".  Any suggestions would be gratefully
appreciated!
                                                            Carol Ueland

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From asred at HOME.COM  Wed May  2 21:44:18 2001
From: asred at HOME.COM (Steve Marder)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 17:44:18 -0400
Subject: Translation help
Message-ID: <WED.2.MAY.2001.174418.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Carol Ueland wrote:
>
> Dear Seelangers,
>      I have a senior who is translating two skazki as an honors
> project.  One of them is entitled "Suvorushka" from the collection
> "Sibirskie skazki" collected by I.S. Korovkin and published in
> Novosibirsk in 1973.  There is one word which has us stumped, even our
> resident native speakers.  It is "na fatere" and occurs in the following
> context: "A gde Druzhevna Korolevna?  Ona vot na fatere u babushki.
> Togda vse troe poshli tuda".  Any suggestions would be gratefully
> appreciated!
>                                                             Carol Ueland


fatera = kvartira

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From idshevelenko at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU  Wed May  2 21:51:20 2001
From: idshevelenko at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU (Irina D. Shevelenko)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 16:51:20 -0500
Subject: Translation help
Message-ID: <WED.2.MAY.2001.165120.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

"Na fatere" means "na kvartire". It's either colloquialism or dialectism. The
word is still common for spoken Russian (I am surprised that your resident
native speaker didn't know it). It adds a somewhat ironic air to one's speach
(in today's usage).

I. Sh.

Carol Ueland wrote:

> Dear Seelangers,
>      I have a senior who is translating two skazki as an honors
> project.  One of them is entitled "Suvorushka" from the collection
> "Sibirskie skazki" collected by I.S. Korovkin and published in
> Novosibirsk in 1973.  There is one word which has us stumped, even our
> resident native speakers.  It is "na fatere" and occurs in the following
> context: "A gde Druzhevna Korolevna?  Ona vot na fatere u babushki.
> Togda vse troe poshli tuda".  Any suggestions would be gratefully
> appreciated!
>                                                             Carol Ueland
>
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From paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM  Wed May  2 21:54:04 2001
From: paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM (Paul B. Gallagher)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 17:54:04 -0400
Subject: Translation help
Message-ID: <WED.2.MAY.2001.175404.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Carol Ueland wrote:

> I have a senior who is translating two skazki as an honors project.
> One of them is entitled "Suvorushka" from the collection "Sibirskie
> skazki" collected by I.S. Korovkin and published in Novosibirsk in
> 1973.  There is one word which has us stumped, even our resident
> native speakers.  It is "na fatere" and occurs in the following
> context: "A gde Druzhevna Korolevna?  Ona vot na fatere u babushki.
> Togda vse troe poshli tuda".  Any suggestions would be gratefully
> appreciated!
>                                                             Carol

An apartment or home, according to Blatnoy Slovar:
<http://www.bratok.com/dictionary/dictionary.htm#21>

--
War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left.
--
Paul B. Gallagher
pbg translations, inc.
"Russian Translations That Read Like Originals"
http://pbg-translations.com

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From KeenanE at DOAKS.ORG  Wed May  2 21:53:56 2001
From: KeenanE at DOAKS.ORG (Keenan, Edward)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 17:53:56 -0400
Subject: Translation help
Message-ID: <WED.2.MAY.2001.175356.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Probably common dial. and sub-standard form of "na kvartire."

Edward L. Keenan
Andrew W. Mellon Professor of History, Harvard University
Director, Dumbarton Oaks Research Library and Collections
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carol Ueland [SMTP:cueland at DREW.EDU]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 5:13 PM
> To:   SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
> Subject:      Translation help
>
> Dear Seelangers,
>      I have a senior who is translating two skazki as an honors
> project.  One of them is entitled "Suvorushka" from the collection
> "Sibirskie skazki" collected by I.S. Korovkin and published in
> Novosibirsk in 1973.  There is one word which has us stumped, even our
> resident native speakers.  It is "na fatere" and occurs in the following
> context: "A gde Druzhevna Korolevna?  Ona vot na fatere u babushki.
> Togda vse troe poshli tuda".  Any suggestions would be gratefully
> appreciated!
>                                                             Carol Ueland
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From jobailey at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU  Wed May  2 22:53:00 2001
From: jobailey at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU (James Bailey)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 17:53:00 -0500
Subject: Translation help
In-Reply-To: <3AF0785F.A08A08A0@drew.edu>
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Carol,
      Without checking it seems to me that "fatera" is dialect or
substandard for "kvartira."  As I remember Rybnikov cites it in the
introduction to his collection of byliny.
      James Bailey

At 05:13 PM 5/2/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>Dear Seelangers,
>      I have a senior who is translating two skazki as an honors
>project.  One of them is entitled "Suvorushka" from the collection
>"Sibirskie skazki" collected by I.S. Korovkin and published in
>Novosibirsk in 1973.  There is one word which has us stumped, even our
>resident native speakers.  It is "na fatere" and occurs in the following
>context: "A gde Druzhevna Korolevna?  Ona vot na fatere u babushki.
>Togda vse troe poshli tuda".  Any suggestions would be gratefully
>appreciated!
>                                                             Carol Ueland
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From nryan at PIP2.HMN.MQ.EDU.AU  Thu May  3 00:20:48 2001
From: nryan at PIP2.HMN.MQ.EDU.AU (Nona Ryan)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 10:20:48 +1000
Subject: Translation help
In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20010502175147.00a2bd10@facstaff.wisc.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.3.MAY.2001.102048.1000.>

On 2 May 2001, at 17:53, James Bailey wrote:

> Carol,
>       Without checking it seems to me that "fatera" is dialect or
> substandard for "kvartira."  As I remember Rybnikov cites it in the
> introduction to his collection of byliny.
>       James Bailey
>
> At 05:13 PM 5/2/2001 -0400, you wrote:
> >Dear Seelangers,
> >      I have a senior who is translating two skazki as an honors
> >project.  One of them is entitled "Suvorushka" from the collection
> >"Sibirskie skazki" collected by I.S. Korovkin and published in
> >Novosibirsk in 1973.  There is one word which has us stumped, even our
> >resident native speakers.  It is "na fatere" and occurs in the following
> >context: "A gde Druzhevna Korolevna?  Ona vot na fatere u babushki.
> >Togda vse troe poshli tuda".  Any suggestions would be gratefully
> >appreciated!
> >                                                             Carol Ueland
> >
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"Fatera" an old Russian word for an apartment or flat in Russian
kvartira.

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From nryan at PIP2.HMN.MQ.EDU.AU  Thu May  3 00:22:21 2001
From: nryan at PIP2.HMN.MQ.EDU.AU (Nona Ryan)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 10:22:21 +1000
Subject: Translation help
In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20010502175147.00a2bd10@facstaff.wisc.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.3.MAY.2001.102221.1000.>

On 2 May 2001, at 17:53, James Bailey wrote:

> Carol,
>       Without checking it seems to me that "fatera" is dialect or
> substandard for "kvartira."  As I remember Rybnikov cites it in the
> introduction to his collection of byliny.
>       James Bailey
>
> At 05:13 PM 5/2/2001 -0400, you wrote:
> >Dear Seelangers,
> >      I have a senior who is translating two skazki as an honors
> >project.  One of them is entitled "Suvorushka" from the collection
> >"Sibirskie skazki" collected by I.S. Korovkin and published in
> >Novosibirsk in 1973.  There is one word which has us stumped, even our
> >resident native speakers.  It is "na fatere" and occurs in the following
> >context: "A gde Druzhevna Korolevna?  Ona vot na fatere u babushki.
> >Togda vse troe poshli tuda".  Any suggestions would be gratefully
> >appreciated!
> >                                                             Carol Ueland
> >
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"fatera" is an old Russian word for "kvartira" an apartment.
Nonna Ryan.

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From krylya at HOTMAIL.COM  Thu May  3 01:30:13 2001
From: krylya at HOTMAIL.COM (Rodney Patterson)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 21:30:13 -0400
Subject: Translation help
Message-ID: <WED.2.MAY.2001.213013.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Fatera is also in Dal':  (iskazhen.) kvartira, pomeshchenie, zhil'e, zhilo.
stojanka.

R. Patterson


>From: "Irina D. Shevelenko" <idshevelenko at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU>
>Reply-To: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list
><SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
>To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
>Subject: Re: Translation help
>Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 16:51:20 -0500
>
>"Na fatere" means "na kvartire". It's either colloquialism or dialectism.
>The
>word is still common for spoken Russian (I am surprised that your resident
>native speaker didn't know it). It adds a somewhat ironic air to one's
>speach
>(in today's usage).
>
>I. Sh.
>
>Carol Ueland wrote:
>
> > Dear Seelangers,
> >      I have a senior who is translating two skazki as an honors
> > project.  One of them is entitled "Suvorushka" from the collection
> > "Sibirskie skazki" collected by I.S. Korovkin and published in
> > Novosibirsk in 1973.  There is one word which has us stumped, even our
> > resident native speakers.  It is "na fatere" and occurs in the following
> > context: "A gde Druzhevna Korolevna?  Ona vot na fatere u babushki.
> > Togda vse troe poshli tuda".  Any suggestions would be gratefully
> > appreciated!
> >                                                             Carol Ueland
> >
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From alexush at PAONLINE.COM  Wed May  2 23:12:56 2001
From: alexush at PAONLINE.COM (Alexander Ushakov)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 19:12:56 -0400
Subject: Translation help
Message-ID: <WED.2.MAY.2001.191256.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

The word doesn't belong to "blatnoi". It is, as was already mentioned, a
dialectism and (very) sub-standard. By the way, the conversion of 'hv'/'kv'
to 'f' and vice versa is very Ukrainian both in literary language and the
dialects, e.g. 'hvirtka' - 'fortochka', 'hvastat' - 'fastat', 'hvedir -
fedir', hvylyna - fylyna, etc. (You can get a good example of it listening
how the Ukrainian Supreme Rada's speaker I. Plushch speaks :-).

As for the resident native speaker, he/she probably read it with the accent
on a wrong syllable: na 'fa-tere. If read like this I  wouldn't guess,
either...

Alex Ushakov

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul B. Gallagher" <paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM>
To: <SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: Translation help


> Carol Ueland wrote:
>
> > I have a senior who is translating two skazki as an honors project.
> > One of them is entitled "Suvorushka" from the collection "Sibirskie
> > skazki" collected by I.S. Korovkin and published in Novosibirsk in
> > 1973.  There is one word which has us stumped, even our resident
> > native speakers.  It is "na fatere" and occurs in the following
> > context: "A gde Druzhevna Korolevna?  Ona vot na fatere u babushki.
> > Togda vse troe poshli tuda".  Any suggestions would be gratefully
> > appreciated!
> >                                                             Carol
>
> An apartment or home, according to Blatnoy Slovar:
> <http://www.bratok.com/dictionary/dictionary.htm#21>
>
> --
> War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left.
> --
> Paul B. Gallagher
> pbg translations, inc.
> "Russian Translations That Read Like Originals"
> http://pbg-translations.com
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From katkovski at OSI.HU  Thu May  3 08:45:19 2001
From: katkovski at OSI.HU (Uladzimir Katkouski)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 10:45:19 +0200
Subject: Translation help
Message-ID: <THU.3.MAY.2001.104519.0200.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

...and Belarusian. Just a couple examples that come to mind
achviara (bel) = victim (coming from Polish "ofiara")
Chviedar (bel) = Fiodor (rus) = Theodor
chvartuch (bel) = fartuk (rus)
chvalia (bel) = wave ("falia" in Polish?)
chvigura (bel) = figure


----- Original Message -----
From: Alexander Ushakov <alexush at PAONLINE.COM>
To: <SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 1:12 AM
Subject: Re: Translation help


> The word doesn't belong to "blatnoi". It is, as was already mentioned, a
> dialectism and (very) sub-standard. By the way, the conversion of
'hv'/'kv'
> to 'f' and vice versa is very Ukrainian both in literary language and the
> dialects, e.g. 'hvirtka' - 'fortochka', 'hvastat' - 'fastat', 'hvedir -
> fedir', hvylyna - fylyna, etc. (You can get a good example of it listening
> how the Ukrainian Supreme Rada's speaker I. Plushch speaks :-).
>
> As for the resident native speaker, he/she probably read it with the
accent
> on a wrong syllable: na 'fa-tere. If read like this I  wouldn't guess,
> either...
>
> Alex Ushakov
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul B. Gallagher" <paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM>
> To: <SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 5:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Translation help
>
>
> > Carol Ueland wrote:
> >
> > > I have a senior who is translating two skazki as an honors project.
> > > One of them is entitled "Suvorushka" from the collection "Sibirskie
> > > skazki" collected by I.S. Korovkin and published in Novosibirsk in
> > > 1973.  There is one word which has us stumped, even our resident
> > > native speakers.  It is "na fatere" and occurs in the following
> > > context: "A gde Druzhevna Korolevna?  Ona vot na fatere u babushki.
> > > Togda vse troe poshli tuda".  Any suggestions would be gratefully
> > > appreciated!
> > >                                                             Carol
> >
> > An apartment or home, according to Blatnoy Slovar:
> > <http://www.bratok.com/dictionary/dictionary.htm#21>
> >
> > --
> > War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left.
> > --
> > Paul B. Gallagher
> > pbg translations, inc.
> > "Russian Translations That Read Like Originals"
> > http://pbg-translations.com
> >
>
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From wlado at GMX.AT  Thu May  3 11:59:18 2001
From: wlado at GMX.AT (Wladimir Fischer)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 13:59:18 +0200
Subject: Call for submissions: spaces of identity in Central Europe
Message-ID: <THU.3.MAY.2001.135918.0200.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

http://www.spacesofidentity.net

CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS

<http://www.spacesofidentity.net>spacesofidentity (ISSN 1496-6778)is
a new e-journal on identity issues in Central Europe (more background
info is below). The first issue has been available at
http://www.spacesofidentity.net since February 2001.

For the upcoming issue we are now inviting comments, discussion, and
replies to the contributions in the first issue. Send your
contributions and questions to
<mailto:editors at spacesofidentity.net>editors at spacesofidentity.net.

Essays in issue #01/01:

Markus Reisenleitner
Tradition, Cultural Boundaries and the Construction of Spaces of Identity

Andriy Zayarnyuk
At the Frontiers of Central Europe:
Ukrainian Galicia at the Turn of the Millennium.

Nevena Dakovic
The Threshold of Europe: Imagining Yugoslavia on Film

Srdja Pavlovic
Mirror, Mirror on the Wall.
Prophecies, Horoscopes and the Politics of Paranormal in Serbia

Ales Debeljak
Varieties of National Experience:
Resistance and Accommodation in Contemporary Slovenian Identity

BACKGROUND

<http://www.spacesofidentity.net>spacesofidentity is a
multidisciplinary international web-journal dedicated to issues of
tradition, cultural boundaries and identity formation in Central and
Eastern Europe. <http://www.spacesofidentity.net>spacesofidentity is
a peer-reviewed journal, and is published quarterly. New articles
appear in the February and August issues, while discussions arising
out of these articles or concerning recent events and publications
are posted in the April/June and October issues.

<http://www.spacesofidentity.net>spacesofidentity hopes to make a
contribution to ongoing debates in cultural studies. It  scrutinizes
the new, post-Soviet symbolic geographies that separate insiders from
outsiders (informed by history and politics but implying identity),
investigates the (historically and culturally) constructed nature of
common symbols and histories, and traces the multiple vectors of
domination and resistance involved in their emergence. Objects of
analysis are the histories and narratives in which these conflicting
forms of identification are negotiated. Feelings of territorial
cultural belonging, of Heimat and exile can be analyzed, for example,
through the prisms of migration patterns, diasporic experiences and
urban lifestyles.

<http://www.spacesofidentity.net>spacesofidentity welcomes essays and
scholarly articles from a number
of disciplines: history, sociology, and political science, as well as
literature, linguistics, ethnology, cultural anthropology, cultural
geography, cultural studies, film studies and gender studies.  The
aim of the journal is to include rather than to exclude various
scholarly approaches and points of view.  Within such a broadly
defined framework, we consider all topics relevant to the
question of identity formation. Even though Central and Eastern
Europe are the primary geographic areas of our interest, we welcome
comparative analyses that point out shared experiences in the process
of defining and redefining spaces of identity.

Contributors are encouraged to keep their submissions to less than
10, 000 words. Submissions should not have been previously published
in English. Please use a Word-format and save it as a RTF (Rich Text
Format) document. If transliterating, please use either Library of
Congress or German Slavist styles in a consistent way; if using
diacritics, please also fax a hard copy of the document to (604)
608-2906. Contributors are responsible for providing copyrights for
illustrations and for a short (3-5 sentence) biographical statement.

Guidelines for submitting articles are posted at
http://www.spacesofidentity.net.

Inquiries, comments and suggestions should be sent to Srdja Pavlovic
at <mailto:editors at spacesofidentity.net>editors at spacesofidentity.net.


--

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From mmbst35+ at PITT.EDU  Thu May  3 13:48:22 2001
From: mmbst35+ at PITT.EDU (Michael Brewer)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 09:48:22 -0400
Subject: The New REESWEB is Now Available
Message-ID: <THU.3.MAY.2001.094822.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

The long-awaited revision of REESWeb, the Word-Wide Web Consortium's (3WC)
Virtual Libarary for Russian & East European Studies, is finally here!  The
site
features a new dynamic interface that allows users to build custom lists of
annotated links as well as the ability to keyword search the full text of
linked
websites. In addition, REESWeb now provides a centralized announcement and
calendar page to help keep you up to date on what's going on in the
discipline.
Submissions of websites to the database or announcements or events to the
calendar page are encouraged.

The new REESWeb, like its predecessor, it can be found at

http://www.ucis.pitt.edu/reesweb/

More to come...

Please forward this message to any relevant listservs or distribution lists.

Michael Brewer
University of Pittsburgh

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From dc247 at COLUMBIA.EDU  Thu May  3 14:58:41 2001
From: dc247 at COLUMBIA.EDU (David L. Cooper)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 10:58:41 -0400
Subject: Call for submissions
Message-ID: <THU.3.MAY.2001.105841.0400.>

Columbia University's journal of Slavic Literatures and Cultures,
"Ulbandus," invites contributions to its June 2002 issue:  "Gogol from
the 21st Century: 160 years of Dead Souls."  The deadline for the
submission of manuscripts is October 31, 2001.  For more information,
contact btc9 at columbia.edu.

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From wlado at GMX.AT  Thu May  3 18:20:12 2001
From: wlado at GMX.AT (Wladimir Fischer)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 20:20:12 +0200
Subject: Neue Adresse/new address
Message-ID: <THU.3.MAY.2001.202012.0200.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Neue Adresse/new address:

Spengergasse 52/12
A-1050 Wien

Email und Telefonnummer bleiben gleich (s.u.)
E-mail and phone remain unchanged (see below)
--

Wladimir Fischer

Spengergasse 52/12
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From itigount at CHASS.UTORONTO.CA  Thu May  3 18:44:43 2001
From: itigount at CHASS.UTORONTO.CA (Inna Tigountsova)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 14:44:43 -0400
Subject: Translation help
In-Reply-To: <3AF0785F.A08A08A0@drew.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.3.MAY.2001.144443.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Hello,
perhaps, "na fatere"="na kvartire"
Inna Tigountsova
On Wed, 2 May 2001, Carol Ueland wrote:

> Dear Seelangers,
>      I have a senior who is translating two skazki as an honors
> project.  One of them is entitled "Suvorushka" from the collection
> "Sibirskie skazki" collected by I.S. Korovkin and published in
> Novosibirsk in 1973.  There is one word which has us stumped, even our
> resident native speakers.  It is "na fatere" and occurs in the following
> context: "A gde Druzhevna Korolevna?  Ona vot na fatere u babushki.
> Togda vse troe poshli tuda".  Any suggestions would be gratefully
> appreciated!
>                                                             Carol Ueland
>
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From AATSEEL at COMPUSERVE.COM  Thu May  3 22:19:23 2001
From: AATSEEL at COMPUSERVE.COM (AATSEEL Exec Dir)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 18:19:23 -0400
Subject: AATSEEL info
Message-ID: <THU.3.MAY.2001.181923.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Colleagues,

If you missed our posting to this list a few weeks ago of particulars about
the AATSEEL 2001 meeting in New Orleans, please be advised that the same
information (and more, thanks in this particular instance to Jonathan
Ludwig; and also to our other regular Web page contributors) is now on the
AATSEEL web site (see below).

Best regards,

Jerry 

*  *  *  *  *
Gerard L. (Jerry) Ervin
Executive Director, American Ass'n of Teachers of 
  Slavic & E European Languages (AATSEEL)
1933 N. Fountain Park Dr., Tucson, AZ 85715 USA
Phone/fax:  520/885-2663
Email:  <AATSEEL at CompuServe.com>
AATSEEL Home Page: <http://clover.slavic.pitt.edu/~aatseel/>
2000 conference:  27-30 December, Washington, DC
2001 conference:  27-30 December, New Orleans, LA
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From natalia.pylypiuk at UALBERTA.CA  Fri May  4 05:38:50 2001
From: natalia.pylypiuk at UALBERTA.CA (Natalia Pylypiuk)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 23:38:50 -0600
Subject: CAS conference in Quebec City
Message-ID: <THU.3.MAY.2001.233850.0600.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Colleagues and Students,

To view an updated version of the conference program,
organized by the Canadian Association of Slavists
in conjunction with the Social Sciences and Humanities
Federation of Canada (Université Laval, May 25-27, 2001),
please visit:

http://www.ualberta.ca/~csp/cas.prelim.2001a.html

Best wishes,

N.Pylypiuk, President
CAS

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From wlado at GMX.AT  Fri May  4 10:21:27 2001
From: wlado at GMX.AT (Wladimir Fischer)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 12:21:27 +0200
Subject: New member
Message-ID: <FRI.4.MAY.2001.122127.0200.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

New member

<http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a8902625>Wladimir Fischer studied
Serbo-Croat and a combination of Balkan-related subjects with special
emphasis on Macedonian, Ottoman studies and South-Eastern European
history at the University of Vienna. He has been doing research on
several fields of South-Eastern European history and culture: Early
modern language usage, the emergence of the European
periphery-concept in the Enlightenment-period and the construction of
modern identities through cultural stereotypes.

His <http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a8902625/diss.htm>Doctor's thesis
he is presently working on is on the 'Reception of Dositej Obradovic
in Serbian Elite Discourses (1811-1911)'. He did his research in
Germany, Canada, Croatia and Yugoslavia for some time.

Select publications:

- : Sprache und soziale Identität im frühneuzeitlichen
Binnenkroatien. - In: Frühneuzeit-Info 11 (2000) 2. (forthcoming).
- :
<http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a8902625/sprachgebrauch.htm>Diglossie
und Zweisprachigkeit im südlichen Innerösterreich. 1500-1700. - In:
Frühneuzeit-Info 11 (2000) 2. p. (forthcoming).
-: Creating a National Hero. The Changing Symbolics of Dositej
Obradovic (1811-1911). - In: Cultural Practices and the Formation of
Imagined Communities around 1900. A Comparison between North America
and Central Europe. Ed. by Susan Ingram, Markus Reisenleitner and
Cornelia Szabo-Knotik. Wien: Turia+Kant 2001. (forthcoming)
-: <http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a8902625/twofold.htm>Serbian
Culture at a Twofold Periphery in the 18th Century. - In: Études
Balkaniques 36 (2000) 2. p. 21-30.
-: Izgradnja i razgradnja jugoslovenskih identiteta putem stereotipa
(1989/1991). - In: Europa i nacionalizam. Nacionalni identitet
naspram nacionalnoj netrpljivosti. Ed. by Carole Hodge and Mladen
Grbin. Zagreb: Durieux 2000. p. 240-255.
-: Dositej Obradovic und die serbische Renaissance. Wie ein
"unterrichtender Roman" zum Mythos wurde. In: Frühneuzeit-Info 10
(1999) 1-2. p. 53-83.
--

Wladimir Fischer

Spengergasse 52/12
A-1050 Wien

++43-1-5968567 (phone)
++43-699-11332058 (mob)
++49-89-1488-219546 (fax)

wlado at gmx.at

http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a8902625

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From ElisabethG at YUCOM.BE  Sat May  5 21:53:09 2001
From: ElisabethG at YUCOM.BE (Elisabeth Ghysels)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 23:53:09 +0200
Subject: drivers and/or transfers
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105011449230.23359-100000@harper.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <SAT.5.MAY.2001.235309.0200.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I would like to counterbalance a bit the feelings towards Moscow taxis
implied by the question by Alla and the answer by Liza Ginzburg. I doubt
that you have to expect any form of harm by taking a taxi in Moscow,
compared to any other city, with the sole exception, that you will pay too
much. And whether you see this as a very serious problem depends on the
attitude of course. We arrived in Sheremetjevo-2 on (orthodox) Christmas eve
and accepted an offer by a private taxi (there were no official ones); the
man drove us to the next metro station (don't miss the experience of the
Moscow metro, as far as I'm concerned the best and (!) the most esthetical
of all metro services in the world) and on our way he told us many
interesting things about his live in Moscow, about concerts to visit and
about church services. When we had to leave Moscow again we took an official
taxi from the metro station to the airport (there are always official taxis
available in this direction, and there reliability is proverbial); for this
trip we paid only one third of the price that we had to pay the private taxi
in the opposite direction, but we weren't even angered about that; it seemed
a moderate price for his friendliness and a cheerful way to contribute our
bit to redistribution (more cheerful than paying taxes etc..).
Greetings,

Elisabeth & Nikolaus
Belgium


-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Onderwerp: Re: drivers and/or transfers


>I WOULD NOT take a taxi alone.
>
Liza Ginzburg


On Tue, 1 May 2001, Alla Nedoresow wrote:

> Dear Folks,
>
> Feeling a bit squeamish about taxis and taxi drivers in Moscow
>
> Alla

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From kcf19 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Sun May  6 07:55:39 2001
From: kcf19 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Robert Chandler)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 08:55:39 +0100
Subject: copyright for various C20 Russian writers
Message-ID: <SUN.6.MAY.2001.085539.0100.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear all,

Penguin Classics are commissioning me to compile an anthology of Russian short stories (both 19th and 20th century)

There are quite a number of writers who could, in principle, be in copyright, but who appear not to be.  If anyone knows of any copyright holders to any of the following, I should be more than grateful for any information.

Robert Chandler



*Teffi (1872-1952)00
No one appears to own copyright, according to Catriona Kelly, who recently included 2 pieces of Teffi in her Penguin anthology ³Utopias².  I have in front of me 4 different Russian editions from the last 12 years.  Two make no acknowledgment of copyright at all.  The other two (a Moscow publishing house called ³Lakom² and ³The Russian Christian Humanitarian Institute² in Petersburg both appear to claim copyright themselves; I suspect that this claim is misleading and that they are really only claiming copyright to their particular edition???

*Zamyatin (1884-1937)
Copyright certainly used to belong to Agence Hoffman. Probably it still does.  Two 1990 Russian editions of Zamyatin give contradictory information: one gives copyright holder as E. I. Zamyatin; the other  volume, published by ³Khudozhestvennaya Literatura² claims that ³Khudozhestvennaya Literatura² is itself the copyright holder.  But Russian editions sometimes fail to distinguish between copyright to the work itself and copyright to the layout of a particular edition.
???

*Inber, Vera (1890-1972)
There have been no Russian editions for a long time.  Editions from the twenties and forties give no indication of copyright, which presumably did not exist then in Russia.
???

*Babel (b. 1894 Odessa; d. 1940 Moscow)
The Penguin ³Collected Stories² (1994 and 1998) does not acknowledge any copyright  for the original.
???

*Vsevolod Ivanov (1895-1963)
(Northwestern Univ. Press don¹t acknowledge copyright for original.
???

*Shalamov (1907-1982)
The 4-volume 1998 Russian complete works does not acknowledge any copyright holder.
Presumably there is none.???

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From dec1 at CFL.RR.COM  Sun May  6 17:24:02 2001
From: dec1 at CFL.RR.COM (David E. Crawford)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 13:24:02 -0400
Subject: Info request -- OCS church inscriptions
Message-ID: <SUN.6.MAY.2001.132402.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Can anyone on the list recommend a good, illustrated book depicting
(and hopefully explaining how to interpret!) decorative textual
Russian Orthodox church inscriptions?  I found them difficult to
read during my visit to Russia in 1999.  I presume most of them are
written in OCS, but aside from the language differences the mere
print style was a challenge to decipher as well.  Rumor had it that
Khaburgayev's "Staroslavyanskiy Yazyk" addressed this issue, but it
isn't covered in my recently-acquired 1974 edition;  is the 1986
version better in this regard?

Thanks in advance.

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From sao15 at COLUMBIA.EDU  Sun May  6 21:25:11 2001
From: sao15 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Serguei Alex. Oushakine)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 14:25:11 -0700
Subject: GRANTS- Kennan Institute Short-term Grants (DEADLINE: June 1,
 2001); no citizenship requirement
Message-ID: <SUN.6.MAY.2001.142511.0700.SAO15@COLUMBIA.EDU>

From: "Jennifer Giglio" <giglioje at WWIC.SI.EDU>


GRANTS- Kennan Institute Short-term Grants

KENNAN INSTITUTE SHORT-TERM GRANTS (up to one months' duration)

DEADLINE: June 1, 2001

The Kennan Institute offers Short-term Grants to scholars whose research in
the social sciences or humanities focuses on the former Soviet Union, and
who demonstrate a particular need to utilize the library, archival, and
other specialized resources of the Washington, D.C., area. Academic
participants must either possess a doctoral degree or be doctoral candidates
who have nearly completed their dissertations. For non-academics, an
equivalent degree of professional achievement is expected.

Short-term Grants provide a stipend of $100 per day. There is no official
application form for short-term grants. The applicant is requested to submit
a concise description (700-800 words) of his or her research project, a
curriculum vitae, a statement on preferred dates of residence in
Washington, D.C., and two letters of recommendation specifically in support
of the research to be conducted at the Institute. All of these materials may
be submitted via e-mail except for the letters of recommendation. The
letters should be sent with signatures either by fax or by post. Applicants
should also note their citizenship or permanent residency status in their
materials. Applications should be submitted in clear dark type, printed on
one side only, without staples.

Grant recipients are required to be in residence in Washington, D.C., for
the duration of their grant. Four rounds of competitive selection for
Short-term Grants are held each year. Closing dates are December 1, March 1,
June 1, and September 1.  Applicants are notified of the competition results
roughly six weeks after the closing date. U.S. citizens, permanent
residents, and non-Americans are eligible for Short-term Grants, although
funding for non-American applicants is limited. Approximately one in three
American applicants and one in six non-American applicants are awarded
Short-term Grants in each of the four competition rounds.

The Short-term Grant Program is supported by the Russian, Eurasian, and East
European Research and Training Program of the U.S. Department of State
(Title VIII) and the Kennan Institute endowment. Continuation of the
Short-term Grant Program in 2002-2003 is contingent on future funding.

Please send all application materials to: The Kennan Institute, One Woodrow
Wilson Plaza, 1300 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Washington, DC 20004-3027.  For
more information, please contact Jennifer Giglio via e-mail at
giglioje at wwic.si.edu, call (202) 691-4246, or fax (202) 691-4247.


Jennifer Giglio
Program Assistant
Kennan Institute
Woodrow Wilson Center
One Woodrow Wilson Plaza
1300 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20004-3027
202-691-4246
202-691-4247 (fax)
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From babyaking at STRATOS.NET  Mon May  7 02:51:27 2001
From: babyaking at STRATOS.NET (Hoyte & Elena King)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 19:51:27 -0700
Subject: Info request -- OCS church inscriptions
Message-ID: <SUN.6.MAY.2001.195127.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

"David E. Crawford" wrote:

> Can anyone on the list recommend a good, illustrated book depicting
> (and hopefully explaining how to interpret!) decorative textual
> Russian Orthodox church inscriptions?  I found them difficult to
> read during my visit to Russia in 1999.  I presume most of them are
> written in OCS, but aside from the language differences the mere
> print style was a challenge to decipher as well.  Rumor had it that
> Khaburgayev's "Staroslavyanskiy Yazyk" addressed this issue, but it
> isn't covered in my recently-acquired 1974 edition;  is the 1986
> version better in this regard?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> http://www.qsl.net/kd4whz/russian
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Titusville, Florida
> United States of America
> 28.5144N 80.8417W
> dec1 at cfl.rr.com
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There is a history of Russian Orthodox iconography called: "Osnovi
Ikonografii Drevnerusskoj Zhivopisi" ("The Fundamentals of Early Russian Icon
Writing"). This is the text used in Russia to teach iconography.  It is
readily available in Russia and may be in some libraries in the US. If you
like, I can sell you a copy of the manuscript from my English translation
that no one is interested in publishing.  Be the first buyer!

Hoyte King

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From yamato at YT.CACHE.WASEDA.AC.JP  Mon May  7 00:29:46 2001
From: yamato at YT.CACHE.WASEDA.AC.JP (Yoshimasa Tsuji)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 09:29:46 +0900
Subject: Info request -- OCS church inscriptions
In-Reply-To: <3AF55072.18216.18379B@localhost> (dec1@CFL.RR.COM)
Message-ID: <MON.7.MAY.2001.092946.0900.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Hello,
 Although Church Slavonic language is a bit different from contemporary
Russian (it had proper past tenses, e.g.), it doesn't pose
any difficulty for a Russian speaker, generally speaking as long as
a reading is concerned.
 Most of the inscriptions on icons are names of apostles and saints,
and are easy to guess (provided you know their names beforehand,
of course). Incidentally, abbreviations, which are very generously
used, may pose some difficulty to you. But here again, most of them
can be guessed easily. You will guess <Sv> for St (Svjashchennik) and
<Apl> for Apostle, for sure.

 Handwriting by scribes are as easy to read as printed books, but
handwriting by half-literate or non-punctual persons is a real
challenge (e.g. I didn't know up until this March that autographs
were allowed not to be spelt out.)

Good luck and cheers,
Tsuji

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From dumanis at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU  Mon May  7 02:36:53 2001
From: dumanis at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU (Edward M Dumanis)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 22:36:53 -0400
Subject: Info request -- OCS church inscriptions
In-Reply-To: <200105070029.JAA12982@tsuji.yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <SUN.6.MAY.2001.223653.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

On Mon, 7 May 2001, Yoshimasa Tsuji wrote:
...............
snip
...............

> You will guess <Sv> for St (Svjashchennik)

You mean <Svjatoj>. A big difference!

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From J.Dunn at SLAVONIC.ARTS.GLA.AC.UK  Mon May  7 11:13:28 2001
From: J.Dunn at SLAVONIC.ARTS.GLA.AC.UK (J.Dunn at SLAVONIC.ARTS.GLA.AC.UK)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 12:13:28 +0100
Subject: Info request -- OCS church inscriptions
In-Reply-To: <3AF55072.18216.18379B@localhost>
Message-ID: <MON.7.MAY.2001.121328.0100.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Assuming that this request refers to the type of decorative writing known
as 'vjaz'', I would suggest consulting the following:

L.V. Cherepnin, Russkaja paleografija, Gosudarstvennoe izd-vo politicheskoj
lit-ry [!], Moscow, 1956, esp. pp.257-60, 386-88;

E.F. Karskij, Slavjanskaja kirillovskaja paleografija, Izd-vo Akad. nauk,
Leningrad, 1928 [reprint Nauka, Moscow, 1979], pp.236-48.

Both books have illustrations and tables.

John Dunn.




>Can anyone on the list recommend a good, illustrated book depicting
>(and hopefully explaining how to interpret!) decorative textual
>Russian Orthodox church inscriptions?  I found them difficult to
>read during my visit to Russia in 1999.  I presume most of them are
>written in OCS, but aside from the language differences the mere
>print style was a challenge to decipher as well.  Rumor had it that
>Khaburgayev's "Staroslavyanskiy Yazyk" addressed this issue, but it
>isn't covered in my recently-acquired 1974 edition;  is the 1986
>version better in this regard?
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>United States of America
>28.5144N 80.8417W
>dec1 at cfl.rr.com
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>ICQ:             2588570
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John Dunn
Department of Slavonic Studies
Hetherington Building
University of Glasgow
Glasgow
G12 8RS
Great Britain

Telephone (+44) 141 330-5591
Fax       (+44) 141 330-2297
e-mail    J.Dunn at slavonic.arts.gla.ac.uk

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From holdeman.2 at OSU.EDU  Mon May  7 21:15:55 2001
From: holdeman.2 at OSU.EDU (Jeff Holdeman)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 16:15:55 -0500
Subject: E-mail addresses at St. Petersburg State University
In-Reply-To: <3AF55072.18216.18379B@localhost>
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Dear SEELangers,

Does anyone know of a source for e-mail addresses of faculty and students
at St. Petersburg State University?  I have visited their website, but have
found nothing...

Jeff


Jeff Holdeman
The Ohio State University
holdeman.2 at osu.edu

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From holdeman.2 at OSU.EDU  Tue May  8 15:40:08 2001
From: holdeman.2 at OSU.EDU (Jeff Holdeman)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 10:40:08 -0500
Subject: Revised query: E-mail addresses at St. Petersburg State University
Message-ID: <TUE.8.MAY.2001.104008.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Clarification:

I am particularly interested in e-mail addresses for people in the
Department of Philology (mostly faculty members, but some graduate students
also).

Jeff

***********

Dear SEELangers,

Does anyone know of a source for e-mail addresses of faculty and students
at St. Petersburg State University?  I have visited their website, but have
found nothing...

Jeff


Jeff Holdeman
The Ohio State University
holdeman.2 at osu.edu

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From tancockk at UVIC.CA  Tue May  8 14:53:35 2001
From: tancockk at UVIC.CA (Kat Tancock)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 07:53:35 -0700
Subject: Revised query: E-mail addresses at St. Petersburg State
 University
In-Reply-To: <v03130306b71dc316c9f5@[140.254.113.132]>
Message-ID: <TUE.8.MAY.2001.075335.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Hi,

This is the home page for the department of Philology:

http://www.phil.pu.ru/

If you click on administration, you will find some contact info with email
addresses.

Hope this helps,

Kat
--
Kat Tancock
Coordinator
UVic CALL Facility
web.uvic.ca/hrd/call/
tancockk at uvic.ca

> From: Jeff Holdeman <holdeman.2 at OSU.EDU>
> Reply-To: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list
> <SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
> Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 10:40:08 -0500
> To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
> Subject: Revised query: E-mail addresses at St. Petersburg State University
>
> Clarification:
>
> I am particularly interested in e-mail addresses for people in the
> Department of Philology (mostly faculty members, but some graduate students
> also).
>
> Jeff
>
> ***********
>
> Dear SEELangers,
>
> Does anyone know of a source for e-mail addresses of faculty and students
> at St. Petersburg State University?  I have visited their website, but have
> found nothing...
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Jeff Holdeman
> The Ohio State University
> holdeman.2 at osu.edu
>
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From holdeman.2 at OSU.EDU  Tue May  8 18:30:28 2001
From: holdeman.2 at OSU.EDU (Jeff Holdeman)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 13:30:28 -0500
Subject: Revised query: E-mail addresses at St. Petersburg State
 University
In-Reply-To: <B71D567F.1E07%tancockk@uvic.ca>
Message-ID: <TUE.8.MAY.2001.133028.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Kat,

Thank you for your response.  I have seen the department's webpage, but
unfortunately it only gives e-mail addresses for some section directors and
then only sporadically.  I guess I was hoping that there was either a
hardcopy directory (university white pages with e-mail addresses) or an
e-mail search engine on the website like some other universities have
(though I understand the possible financial and technical limitations).

Jeff


>Hi,
>
>This is the home page for the department of Philology:
>
>http://www.phil.pu.ru/
>
>If you click on administration, you will find some contact info with email
>addresses.
>
>Hope this helps,
>
>Kat
>--
>Kat Tancock
>Coordinator
>UVic CALL Facility
>web.uvic.ca/hrd/call/
>tancockk at uvic.ca
>
>> From: Jeff Holdeman <holdeman.2 at OSU.EDU>
>> Reply-To: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list
>> <SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
>> Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 10:40:08 -0500
>> To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
>> Subject: Revised query: E-mail addresses at St. Petersburg State University
>>
>> Clarification:
>>
>> I am particularly interested in e-mail addresses for people in the
>> Department of Philology (mostly faculty members, but some graduate students
>> also).
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> ***********
>>
>> Dear SEELangers,
>>
>> Does anyone know of a source for e-mail addresses of faculty and students
>> at St. Petersburg State University?  I have visited their website, but have
>> found nothing...
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>> Jeff Holdeman
>> The Ohio State University
>> holdeman.2 at osu.edu

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From mzs at UNLSERVE.UNL.EDU  Tue May  8 20:07:52 2001
From: mzs at UNLSERVE.UNL.EDU (Mila Saskova-Pierce)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 15:07:52 -0500
Subject: European and Czech History in Nebraska
In-Reply-To: <3AF55072.18216.18379B@localhost>
Message-ID: <TUE.8.MAY.2001.150752.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

The University of Nebraska at Lincoln searches for a visiting scholar who
would teach Modern European History with an emphasis on Central and Czech
history in 2001/2002.  If interested, call Dr. Jessica Coop 402 472 57 44.
Or write:  jcoop1 at unl.edu

Dr. Mila Saskova-Pierce
University of Nebraska
1133 Oldfather Hall, Lincoln, NE 68588-0315
Tel:  (402) 472 1336

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From hia5 at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Wed May  9 17:23:04 2001
From: hia5 at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Howard I. Aronson)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 12:23:04 -0500
Subject: 2nd Chicago Conference on Caucasia
Message-ID: <WED.9.MAY.2001.122304.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

CALL FOR PAPERS

THE SECOND

CHICAGO CONFERENCE ON CAUCASIA

will be held on the campus of the University of Chicago

THURSDAY-SATURDAY 8-11 MAY 2001

We are issuing a call for papers dealing with the languages and
cultures of Caucasia. There will be a Linguistics Session and a
Culture Session.

For the Linguistics Session, we solicit papers dealing with languages
presently or historically spoken in the Caucasus. Topics dealing with
any area of linguistics are welcomed.

For the Culture Session, we solicit papers dealing with all areas of
the folklore, literature, art, music, ethnography, and social
sciences of the peoples of the North and South Caucasus.

All abstracts for these sessions will be subjected to peer review. A
total of 30 minutes will be allotted for the presentation and
discussion of each paper accepted.  Normally this means 20 minutes
for the paper and 10 minutes for discussion, but the apportionment is
at the discretion of the speaker.  Time limits will be strictly
observed. Papers must be presented in English. No funds are available
to cover travel or housing costs.

If you are interested in participating a paper, please sent a one- to
two-page abstract of your proposed paper ideally via e-mail to
hia5 at midway.uchicago.edu or to the address below. Faculty members are
particularly requested to encourage graduate students to submit
abstracts. The deadline for receipt of abstracts is 1 October 2001.
You will be notified if your paper has been accepted for presentation
by 1 November 2001.

Chicago Conference on Caucasia
Department of  Slavic Languages & Literatures
University of Chicago
1130 East  59th St.
Chicago, IL 60637

Telephone: 773-702-8033 * Fax: 773-702-7030 * slavic-department at uchicago.edu

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From sao15 at COLUMBIA.EDU  Wed May  9 20:38:18 2001
From: sao15 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Serguei Alex. Oushakine)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 13:38:18 -0700
Subject: CFP: The Carl Beck Papers in Russian and East European Studies (U
 of Pittsburgh)
Message-ID: <WED.9.MAY.2001.133818.0700.SAO15@COLUMBIA.EDU>

From: "Antic, Marina" <antic at ucis.pitt.edu>


CALL FOR PAPERS!

The Center for Russian and East European Studies at the University of
Pittsburgh publishes The Carl Beck Papers in Russian and East European
Studies and is inviting you to submit your research papers for publication.
Below is a brief description of our publication and the relevant submission
information.

*******************************************************
The Carl Beck Papers in Russian and East European Studies fills a
unique niche in the publishing of research dealing with the area of the
former Soviet Union and East Europe. Submissions to the Papers are
anonymously refereed and published as occasional papers. They are devoted to
topics ranging across the entire field of Slavic, Russian, Soviet,
post-Soviet and East European studies. Each Carl Beck Paper is published on
an individual basis, which allows for rapid turnaround, individual
advertising and wide and flexible distribution.

The series is a particularly useful vehicle for works of
intermediate length-i.e., those between a typical journal article and a
book. Minimum length (including notes and bibliography) is 40 pages; maximum
length is 100 pages.

Submissions to the Carl Beck Papers are welcome. Acceptance is based
on anonymous reviews. Manuscripts should be submitted in triplicate and
double spaced throughout, including endnotes, with the author's name and any
identifying references deleted from two of the copies.  Submissions should
be mailed to the address below.



University of Pittsburgh
The Carl Beck Papers, Box G
Center for Russian and East
European Studies
4G-17 W. W. Posvar Hall
Pittsburgh, PA 15260
Tel.: (412) 648-9881
Fax: (412) 648-2199

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From HKhan at MAIL.COLGATE.EDU  Wed May  9 18:03:04 2001
From: HKhan at MAIL.COLGATE.EDU (Halimur Khan)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 14:03:04 -0400
Subject: 2nd Chicago Conference on Caucasia
Message-ID: <WED.9.MAY.2001.140304.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

shouldn't the dates of the conference be 8-11 May 2002 instead of 2001 as
mentioned? thanks.

--halimur khan

-----Original Message-----
From: Howard I. Aronson [mailto:hia5 at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 1:23 PM
To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: 2nd Chicago Conference on Caucasia


CALL FOR PAPERS

THE SECOND

CHICAGO CONFERENCE ON CAUCASIA

will be held on the campus of the University of Chicago

THURSDAY-SATURDAY 8-11 MAY 2001

We are issuing a call for papers dealing with the languages and
cultures of Caucasia. There will be a Linguistics Session and a
Culture Session.

For the Linguistics Session, we solicit papers dealing with languages
presently or historically spoken in the Caucasus. Topics dealing with
any area of linguistics are welcomed.

For the Culture Session, we solicit papers dealing with all areas of
the folklore, literature, art, music, ethnography, and social
sciences of the peoples of the North and South Caucasus.

All abstracts for these sessions will be subjected to peer review. A
total of 30 minutes will be allotted for the presentation and
discussion of each paper accepted.  Normally this means 20 minutes
for the paper and 10 minutes for discussion, but the apportionment is
at the discretion of the speaker.  Time limits will be strictly
observed. Papers must be presented in English. No funds are available
to cover travel or housing costs.

If you are interested in participating a paper, please sent a one- to
two-page abstract of your proposed paper ideally via e-mail to
hia5 at midway.uchicago.edu or to the address below. Faculty members are
particularly requested to encourage graduate students to submit
abstracts. The deadline for receipt of abstracts is 1 October 2001.
You will be notified if your paper has been accepted for presentation
by 1 November 2001.

Chicago Conference on Caucasia
Department of  Slavic Languages & Literatures
University of Chicago
1130 East  59th St.
Chicago, IL 60637

Telephone: 773-702-8033 * Fax: 773-702-7030 * slavic-department at uchicago.edu

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From AATSEEL at COMPUSERVE.COM  Wed May  9 22:42:31 2001
From: AATSEEL at COMPUSERVE.COM (AATSEEL Exec Dir)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 18:42:31 -0400
Subject: Small grant support: NCOLCTL mini-grants -- DEADLINE FOR
 PROPOSALS 7 JUNE
Message-ID: <WED.9.MAY.2001.184231.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELANGers and AATSEEL Executive Council,

It's not clear that this posting has yet appeared on SEELANGS, so given the
short fuse (proposals due by 1 June) I'm forwarding it. 

Please direct all inquiries to the _koordinaty_ in the body of the posting.

Jerry Ervin

*  *  *  *  *
Gerard L. (Jerry) Ervin
Executive Director, American Ass'n of Teachers of 
  Slavic & E European Languages (AATSEEL)
*  *  *  *  *


--------------- Forwarded Message ---------------

From:   INTERNET:smcginnis at nflc.org
To:     INTERNET:councilmembers-list at Glue.umd.edu
        INTERNET:councilnews-list at Glue.umd.edu
Date:   Wed, May 9, 2001, 1:09 PM

RE:     Small grant support: NCOLCTL mini-grants -- DEADLINE FOR PROPOSALS
7 JUNE

 
Small Grants Available for the Less Commonly Taught Languages

The National Council of Organizations of Less Commonly Taught Languages
(NCOLCTL) is pleased to announce a competition for mini-grants.  Both
individuals and LCTL organizations are encouraged to submit proposals.  The
mini-grants, non-renewable and not to exceed $2000, must be used for
projects that promote field building in the Less Commonly Taught Languages,
such as contributing to the Council's annual conference.  Purposes for
which
the grants may be used include the following:
.       travel to a conference in order to make a presentation about
language
pedagogy or materials development
.       preparation for publication of a field analysis by an organization
of
NCOLCTL
.       attending a workshop or institute aimed specifically at LCTL
pedagogy or
materials
.       provision of partial support for a guest presenter at a workshop or
meeting for teachers of a particular LCTL.

Application criteria: Individuals who apply must be actively involved in
LCTL education and be members of a LCTL organization that is a member of
the
Council, or work in a LCTL that does not belong to any language
organization.  Proposals should include:  (a) the name(s) and
qualifications
of project member(s) submitting the proposal; (b) a 2-page, double-spaced
project description with a statement of project need and how the funds will
be used; and (c) a timeline for completion.

Applications will be strengthened by the inclusion of letters of
institutional support. Preference will be given to projects involving
collaboration among individuals in two or more LCTLs.

Successful applicants will be required to submit a brief final report
describing how the grant was spent, the results of the project, and a copy
of any product stemming from the project.

Composition of the Screening Committee: The mini-grant screening committee
will be chaired by the Vice President of the Council and will consist of
one
Council At-Large representative and one Council representative selected by
the President.  The committee will represent balance among language areas
and organizational size.

Deadline: Proposal submissions must be received by June 7, 2001. Each
committee member will rank order the proposals from strongest to weakest
and
the vice president will send this ranking to the Executive Director, who
will notify the winning proposals by no later than June 25.  The committee
is empowered to suggest funding proposals at a level less than requested.

Address for submissions: Proposals may be submitted via U.S. Mail, fax or
electronic mail to:

                        Scott McGinnis, Executive Director
                        NCOLCTL
                        National Foreign Language Center
                        7100 Baltimore Avenue, Suite 300
                        College Park, MD  20740
                        Voice:  301-403-1750 x18
                        Fax:    301-403-1754
                        e-mail: smcginnis at nflc.org

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From pratt at USC.EDU  Thu May 10 00:38:37 2001
From: pratt at USC.EDU (Sarah Pratt)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 17:38:37 -0700
Subject: Small grant support: NCOLCTL mini-grants -- DEADLINE FOR
 PROPOSALS 7 JUNE
In-Reply-To: <200105091842_MC2-D05C-1777@compuserve.com>
Message-ID: <WED.9.MAY.2001.173837.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Thank you for your diligence, Jerry!

Sally


At 06:42 PM 05/09/2001 -0400, AATSEEL Exec Dir wrote:
>Dear SEELANGers and AATSEEL Executive Council,
>
>It's not clear that this posting has yet appeared on SEELANGS, so given the
>short fuse (proposals due by 1 June) I'm forwarding it.
>
>Please direct all inquiries to the _koordinaty_ in the body of the posting.
>
>Jerry Ervin
>
>*  *  *  *  *
>Gerard L. (Jerry) Ervin
>Executive Director, American Ass'n of Teachers of
>   Slavic & E European Languages (AATSEEL)
>*  *  *  *  *
>
>
>--------------- Forwarded Message ---------------
>
>From:   INTERNET:smcginnis at nflc.org
>To:     INTERNET:councilmembers-list at Glue.umd.edu
>         INTERNET:councilnews-list at Glue.umd.edu
>Date:   Wed, May 9, 2001, 1:09 PM
>
>RE:     Small grant support: NCOLCTL mini-grants -- DEADLINE FOR PROPOSALS
>7 JUNE
>
>
>Small Grants Available for the Less Commonly Taught Languages
>
>The National Council of Organizations of Less Commonly Taught Languages
>(NCOLCTL) is pleased to announce a competition for mini-grants.  Both
>individuals and LCTL organizations are encouraged to submit proposals.  The
>mini-grants, non-renewable and not to exceed $2000, must be used for
>projects that promote field building in the Less Commonly Taught Languages,
>such as contributing to the Council's annual conference.  Purposes for
>which
>the grants may be used include the following:
>.       travel to a conference in order to make a presentation about
>language
>pedagogy or materials development
>.       preparation for publication of a field analysis by an organization
>of
>NCOLCTL
>.       attending a workshop or institute aimed specifically at LCTL
>pedagogy or
>materials
>.       provision of partial support for a guest presenter at a workshop or
>meeting for teachers of a particular LCTL.
>
>Application criteria: Individuals who apply must be actively involved in
>LCTL education and be members of a LCTL organization that is a member of
>the
>Council, or work in a LCTL that does not belong to any language
>organization.  Proposals should include:  (a) the name(s) and
>qualifications
>of project member(s) submitting the proposal; (b) a 2-page, double-spaced
>project description with a statement of project need and how the funds will
>be used; and (c) a timeline for completion.
>
>Applications will be strengthened by the inclusion of letters of
>institutional support. Preference will be given to projects involving
>collaboration among individuals in two or more LCTLs.
>
>Successful applicants will be required to submit a brief final report
>describing how the grant was spent, the results of the project, and a copy
>of any product stemming from the project.
>
>Composition of the Screening Committee: The mini-grant screening committee
>will be chaired by the Vice President of the Council and will consist of
>one
>Council At-Large representative and one Council representative selected by
>the President.  The committee will represent balance among language areas
>and organizational size.
>
>Deadline: Proposal submissions must be received by June 7, 2001. Each
>committee member will rank order the proposals from strongest to weakest
>and
>the vice president will send this ranking to the Executive Director, who
>will notify the winning proposals by no later than June 25.  The committee
>is empowered to suggest funding proposals at a level less than requested.
>
>Address for submissions: Proposals may be submitted via U.S. Mail, fax or
>electronic mail to:
>
>                         Scott McGinnis, Executive Director
>                         NCOLCTL
>                         National Foreign Language Center
>                         7100 Baltimore Avenue, Suite 300
>                         College Park, MD  20740
>                         Voice:  301-403-1750 x18
>                         Fax:    301-403-1754
>                         e-mail: smcginnis at nflc.org
>
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Sarah Pratt
Dean of Academic Programs
College of Letters, Arts and Sciences
University of Southern California
Los Angeles, California 90089-4012

Phone   213/ 740-6104
Fax             213/740-8076
*************************************

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From sao15 at COLUMBIA.EDU  Thu May 10 04:09:50 2001
From: sao15 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Serguei Alex. Oushakine)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 21:09:50 -0700
Subject: Ford Foundation Internatioanl Fellows Program
Message-ID: <WED.9.MAY.2001.210950.0700.SAO15@COLUMBIA.EDU>

Posted: December 1, 2000
Deadline: Varies

Ford Foundation Announces International Fellowships Program

The Ford Foundation's International Fellowships Program provides
opportunities for advanced study to exceptional individuals who will use
this education to become leaders in their respective fields, furthering
development in their own countries and greater economic and social justice
worldwide. The program provides support for up to three years of formal
graduate- level study. Fellows will be selected from countries in Africa and
the Middle East, Asia, Latin America, and Russia where the Foundation
maintains active overseas programs. U.S. nationals are not eligible,
although Fellows may study in the United States.

Fellows are chosen on the basis of their leadership potential and commitment
to community or national service as well as for academic excellence. Fellows
may enroll in master's or doctoral programs and may pursue any academic
discipline or field of study that is consistent with the interests and goals
of the Ford Foundation. The Foundation currently works in fifteen fields to
strengthen democratic values, reduce poverty and injustice, promote
international cooperation, and advance human achievement.

Once selected, fellows may enroll in universities in any part of the world,
including their country of residence. The program will provide placement
assistance to those Fellows not yet admitted to graduate school. IFP support
will enable fellows to undertake language training in research and computer
skills as well as general support for research.

Eligible applicants must be nationals or residents of eligible countries.
Deadlines are set by IFP Fellowship Offices and applicants should contact
one of the offices to request an application. Visit the Ford Foundation Web
site for more information on this program.

Contact:
RFP Link: http://www.fordfound.org/

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From Lyssakov at EU.SPB.RU  Thu May 10 09:47:16 2001
From: Lyssakov at EU.SPB.RU (Pavel Lyssakov)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:47:16 +0400
Subject: Revised query: E-mail addresses at St. Petersburg State Unive
 rsity
Message-ID: <THU.10.MAY.2001.134716.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Jeff,

Those features can be found on the webpage of the European University at St
Petersburg
www.eu.spb.ru <http://www.eu.spb.ru>

We are slightly more advanced than the SPBGU

All SEELANGS members are invited.

Dr Pavel Lyssakov
Director of International Programmes and Development
Faculty of Political Science and Sociology
The European University at St Petersburg
3 Gagarinskaia St
St Petersburg, RUSSIA 191187
Tel: +7 (812) 279-44-02
Fax: +7 (812) 275-51-33


        -----Original Message-----
        From:   Jeff Holdeman [mailto:holdeman.2 at OSU.EDU]
        Sent:   Tuesday, May 08, 2001 10:30 PM
        To:     SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
        Subject:        Re: Revised query: E-mail addresses at St.
Petersburg State University

        Dear Kat,

        Thank you for your response.  I have seen the department's webpage,
but
        unfortunately it only gives e-mail addresses for some section
directors and
        then only sporadically.  I guess I was hoping that there was either
a
        hardcopy directory (university white pages with e-mail addresses) or
an
        e-mail search engine on the website like some other universities
have
        (though I understand the possible financial and technical
limitations).

        Jeff


        >Hi,
        >
        >This is the home page for the department of Philology:
        >
        >http://www.phil.pu.ru/
        >
        >If you click on administration, you will find some contact info
with email
        >addresses.
        >
        >Hope this helps,
        >
        >Kat
        >--
        >Kat Tancock
        >Coordinator
        >UVic CALL Facility
        >web.uvic.ca/hrd/call/
        >tancockk at uvic.ca
        >
        >> From: Jeff Holdeman <holdeman.2 at OSU.EDU>
        >> Reply-To: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list
        >> <SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
        >> Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 10:40:08 -0500
        >> To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
        >> Subject: Revised query: E-mail addresses at St. Petersburg State
University
        >>
        >> Clarification:
        >>
        >> I am particularly interested in e-mail addresses for people in
the
        >> Department of Philology (mostly faculty members, but some
graduate students
        >> also).
        >>
        >> Jeff
        >>
        >> ***********
        >>
        >> Dear SEELangers,
        >>
        >> Does anyone know of a source for e-mail addresses of faculty and
students
        >> at St. Petersburg State University?  I have visited their
website, but have
        >> found nothing...
        >>
        >> Jeff
        >>
        >>
        >> Jeff Holdeman
        >> The Ohio State University
        >> holdeman.2 at osu.edu


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From reei at INDIANA.EDU  Thu May 10 19:31:16 2001
From: reei at INDIANA.EDU (REEI-David Ransel)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:31:16 -0500
Subject: Update: Indiana University SWSEEL 2001
Message-ID: <THU.10.MAY.2001.143116.0500.REEI@INDIANA.EDU>

Please note that Indiana University has received ACLS and SSRC funding for
the 2001 Summer Workshop in Slavic, East European, and Central Asian
Languages.

ACLS-funded languages (first-year Czech, Hungarian, Macedonian, Polish,
and Romanian) will be offered tuition free to all graduate students
working in East/Central European studies.

The Georgian language course offering is confirmed due to receipt of the
SSRC grant.

We will continue to accept SWSEEL applications in all languages through
June 7, 2001. Please contact the SWSEEL director, Jerzy Kolodziej, for
more information: jkolodzi at indiana.edu


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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:46:25 -0500 (EST)
From: REEI-David Ransel <reei at indiana.edu>
To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Indiana University SWSEEL 2001

Full information about the Indiana University Summer Workshop in Slavic,
East European & Central Asian Languages (SWSEEL) is available on the web
at http://www.indiana.edu/~iuslavic/swseel.html

Program dates: June 15 - August 10, 2001

Application deadline for fellowships in all languages: April 1, 2001

Languages:      RUSSIAN
                Intensive 1st through 6th year Russian (10 hrs. cr.)
                Russian 4-week (one semester) courses start June 15
                Fellowships available

                EAST EUROPEAN
                1st year Czech, Polish, Serbian/Croatian,
                Romanian (10 hrs. cr.); Hungarian (6-8 cr.)
                ACLS-funded courses are tuition-free
                for grads in East/Central European field
                1st year Macedonian (pending funding)
                FLAS fellowships available

                CENTRAL ASIAN
                1st year Azeri, Kazak, Turkmen, Uzbek (6-8 cr.)
                2nd year Uzbek (6 cr.)
                1st year Georgian (10 cr., pending funding)
                1st year Tibetan (6-8 cr.)

**In-state tuition for all languages**

For applications or brochures, write to:
Director, SWSEEL, BH 502, Indiana University, Bloomington, IN 47405
Tel. (812) 855-2608  FAX (812) 855-2107  e-mail: SWSEEL at indiana.edu
World Wide Web: http://www.indiana.edu/~iuslavic/swseel.html

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From brifkin at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU  Thu May 10 21:04:14 2001
From: brifkin at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU (Benjamin Rifkin)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:04:14 -0500
Subject: Middlebury & SSRC
Message-ID: <THU.10.MAY.2001.160414.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

There is financial aid funded by the Social Science Research Council
available for students at the Middlebury Russian School.  Interested
students should apply directly to the Middlebury Russian School
(click the link in my e-mail signature to download an application.)
Classes start on June 11 and students must arrive on June 8 for
pre-program testing on June 9 and 10.  Please address any queries
about this opportunity to me.

Ben Rifkin
Director, Middlebury Russian School

--
____________________________
Benjamin Rifkin

Associate Prof., Slavic Dept., UW-Madison
1432 Van Hise Hall, 1220 Linden Dr.
Madison, WI  53706
voice: 608/262-1623; fax: 608/265-2814
http://polyglot.lss.wisc.edu/slavic/rifkin/

Director of the Russian School
Middlebury College, Middlebury, VT  05753
voice:  802/443-5533; fax: 802/443-5394
http://www.middlebury.edu/~ls/Russian/

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From bobradov at XULA.EDU  Fri May 11 21:22:32 2001
From: bobradov at XULA.EDU (Biljana D. Obradovic)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 16:22:32 -0500
Subject: SCMLA last chance
Message-ID: <FRI.11.MAY.2001.162232.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Seelangs Members:
My deadline for papers was extended on request
till May 15th. I  have received one paper so far. We need two-three more.
I was elected the Chairperson of the Slavic and Eastern European
Languages and Literatures at the SCMLA, and am asking for papers for
this year's conference (open topic) to be held in Tulsa, Oklahoma,
November 1-3. Please hurry!
Please forward this to anyone who may be interested. Thanks.
Sincerely Yours,
Dr. Biljana D. Obradovic/ bobradov at xula.edu

--
Dr. Biljana D. Obradovic
Assistant Professor
Department of English
Xavier University of Louisiana
1 Drexel Drive, Box 89C
New Orleans, LA 70125-1098
USA

Tel. : (504) 485-5155 Phone
Fax.: (504) 485-7944 Fax

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From djbpitt+seelangs at PITT.EDU  Fri May 11 23:30:07 2001
From: djbpitt+seelangs at PITT.EDU (David J Birnbaum)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 19:30:07 -0400
Subject: AATSEEL web site down temporarily
Message-ID: <FRI.11.MAY.2001.193007.0400.DJBPITTSEELANGS@PITT.EDU>

Dear SEELANGers,

At approximately 3:00 p.m. local (Pittsburgh, PA) time today (Friday, May
11), the University of Pittsburgh lost electrical power to the building
housing the AATSEEL web server, thus forcing the server off line. It is now
7:30 p.m. and power has not yet been restored. If you have been trying
without success to access the AATSEEL web server, we are aware of the
problem and hope to have service restored as soon as possible.

Apologetically,

David Birnbaum (System Administrator)
________

Professor David J. Birnbaum
Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures
1417 Cathedral of Learning
University of Pittsburgh
Pittsburgh, PA 15260 USA
Voice: 1 412 624 5712
Fax: 1 412 624 9714
Email: djbpitt+ at pitt.edu
URL: http://clover.slavic.pitt.edu/~djb/

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From wambah at JUNO.COM  Sat May 12 01:14:05 2001
From: wambah at JUNO.COM (Laura Kline)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 21:14:05 -0400
Subject: E-mail address needed
Message-ID: <FRI.11.MAY.2001.211405.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELANGers,
Does anyone happen to know Fred Choate's e-mail address?
Thank you in advance.
Laura Kline
Lecturer in Russian
Department of German and Slavic
Wayne State University

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From mllemily at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU  Mon May 14 11:33:25 2001
From: mllemily at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU (Emily Tall)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:33:25 +0000
Subject: funny poem
Message-ID: <MON.14.MAY.2001.113325.0000.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear colleagues: I thought the following poem, from the Russian Forward,
might amuse you and your students.

ГИМН ПЕРВОКЛАССНИКА, Давид Саксон

Когда был Путин маленький
И в школу он ходил,
Любил он нежно маменьку,
Не пил и не курил.

Был очень любознателен
И знал все от и до,
Любил он математику,
Немецкий и джюдо.

Стоял горою Вовочка
За класс свой 1-й Б,
И вырос до полковника
В родимом КГБ.

И вот мы строим Вовочке
Высокий постамент -
Ведь нынче Путии Вовочка
Российский президент!

Коль хочешь президентом стать,
Пример с него бери!
Учись писать, учись читать,
Не пей и не кури!

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From ad5537 at WAYNE.EDU  Mon May 14 19:25:03 2001
From: ad5537 at WAYNE.EDU (Kenneth Brostrom)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:25:03 -0400
Subject: Fwd: Discussions: Request for Information--Russia
Message-ID: <MON.14.MAY.2001.152503.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Colleagues:

Please reply directly to Mr. Neisberg <Arthur.Neisberg at UC.EDU>.


>X-Sender: neisbea at email.uc.edu
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>Date:         Mon, 14 May 2001 12:43:24 -0400
>Reply-To: Arthur Neisberg <Arthur.Neisberg at UC.EDU>
>Sender: SECUSSA Discussion List <SECUSS-L at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>
>From: Arthur Neisberg <Arthur.Neisberg at UC.EDU>
>Subject:      Discussions: Request for Information--Russia
>To: SECUSS-L at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
>Status:
>
>Hi Fellow Secussans,
>
>We have a student interested in a program ("Russia:  a comprehensive
>program in Russian language, politics, and culture") presented jointly by
>The Moscow Institute for Advanced Studies and The International University
>of Moscow.  Have any of you had experience with this program?  Have you
>awarded academic credit to students participating in it?
>
>Thanks for any help you can give!
>
>Arthur Neisberg
>
>======================================================================
>Arthur Neisberg
>Program Manager
>Education Abroad
>University of Cincinnati
>608 Swift Hall
>PO Box 210640
>Cincinnati, OH  45221-0640
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Phone: (513) 556-1363                      Fax:  (513) 556-2990
>Email:  Arthur.Neisberg at uc.edu
>                -or-
>         ArtN at writeme.com

--
Kenneth Brostrom
Assoc. Prof. of Russian
Dept. of German and Slavic Studies
443 Manoogian Hall
Wayne State University
Detroit, MI 48202
Telephone: (313) 577-6238
FAX (313) 577-3266
E-mail: kenneth.brostrom at wayne.edu

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From babyaking at STRATOS.NET  Tue May 15 05:48:48 2001
From: babyaking at STRATOS.NET (Hoyte & Elena King)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 22:48:48 -0700
Subject: housing request
Message-ID: <MON.14.MAY.2001.224848.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I have a friend who will be doing his residency in occupational
therapy in Frederick, Maryland this summer.  Would anyone by any
chance know of someone with a room to let for the summer in or about
Frederick.  Please reply off list.

Hoyte King

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From gpgandolfo at IOL.IT  Tue May 15 12:03:15 2001
From: gpgandolfo at IOL.IT (Giampaolo Gandolfo)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:03:15 +0200
Subject: shift from Latin font to Cyrillic
Message-ID: <TUE.15.MAY.2001.140315.0200.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

        There is a speedy way (one keystroke) to switch when typing
from any Latin font to a specific  Cyrillic one (Times Cyrillic?),
and the other way around. Unfortunately I forgot all about it.
Can anyone remind me?
                Forgive me for bothering you with such a petty,
practical question.
        Thank you
                        Giampaolo GAndolfo

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From brifkin at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU  Tue May 15 13:01:38 2001
From: brifkin at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU (Benjamin Rifkin)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 08:01:38 -0500
Subject: Conference MGU Dec. '01
Message-ID: <TUE.15.MAY.2001.080138.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELANGers:

I received this information by e-mail today and share it with the
list as a service to the profession.  Please direct your queries to
the organizers of the conference, not to me.  For those who don't
read e-mail in Cyrillic, an English language summary follows.

Sincerely,

Ben Rifkin


****

Информационное письмо № 1

Московский государственный университет
им.М.В.Ломоносова

Филологический факультет

Глубокоуважаемые коллеги!
Приглашаем вас принять участие в международной научной конференции
"Русский язык как иностранный: специфика описания, теория и практика
преподавания в России и за рубежом", посвященной 50-летию
преподавания русского языка как иностранного в МГУ им. М.В.Ломоносова.
Конференция будет проводиться 4 - 6 декабря 2001 года.
Предполагается обсудить следующий круг проблем:
1.  Системно-функциональное и коммуникативно ориентированное описание
русского языка:
  - исследование современной русской звучащей речи в прикладных целях
(фонетика, ритмика, интонация);
  - функционально ориентированное описание лексики и фразеологии русского языка;
  - функциональные аспекты словообразования и морфологии;
  - функционально-семантическое описание русского предложения.
2.  Текст: проблемы и перспективы исследования. Аспекты изучения в
целях преподавания русского языка как иностранного:
  - профессионально ориентированных текстов;
  - текстов художественной литературы;
  - текстов средств массовой информации;
  - текстов русской разговорной речи.
3.  Общие и частные проблемы современной методики преподавания РКИ:
  - обучение русскому языку как иностранному с учетом профессиональной
ориентации;
  - новые технологии в практике преподавания РКИ;
  - российская государственная система образовательных стандартов и
тестов: теоретические проблемы разработки и практика внедрения в
российское и зарубежное образовательное пространство;
  - система непрерывного образования российских и зарубежных
преподавателей русского языка как иностранного.
4.  Культурология и лингвокультурология в системе преподавания РКИ:
- исследование русского языкового сознания и проявлений русской
культуры в языке и дискурсе;
- национальная специфика русского дискурса, эталоны русской культуры
и способы их вербализации;
- исследование межкультурной коммуникации в прикладных целях;
- место лингвокультурологии, теории и практики межкультурной
коммуникации в преподавании РКИ.

Планируется публикация сборника тезисов конференции. Тезисы объемом
до 2 страниц, а также сведения об авторе  (фамилия, имя, отчество,
ученая степень, ученое звание, место работы, должность, каналы связи:
e-mail, факс, телефон, адрес для переписки) просим присылать в
оргкомитет конференции до 5 сентября 2001 года по адресу:
konfd01 at philol.msu.ru
Правила оформления текста для публикации: редактор Word for Windows
6.0, 95, 97, кегль 12, шрифт Times New Roman, интервал - 1,5; все
поля 2,5 см., выравнивание - по ширине, примечания - послетекстовые.

Особо обращаемся к выпускникам филологического факультета: 7 декабря
будет проходить вечер встречи выпускников в честь 60-летия
восстановления факультета в составе МГУ.

Справки по телефонам: (095) 939-53-29, 939-15-05. Факс: 939-26-22, 939-55-96
Регистрационный взнос для участников из Российской Федерации, стран
СНГ, Балтии и Восточной Европы - 200 рублей, для участников из других
стран - 75 $ США.
Проезд, проживание и питание участников конференции - за счет
направляющей стороны.
С уважением, оргкомитет конференции.


****

Russian as a Foreign Language:  Description, Theory, and Practice of
Teaching in Russia and Abroad.  Conference at MGU:  December 4-6,
2001.

Section Topics:
Systematic-Functional and Communicative Orientation of the
description of Russian
Problems and Perspectives in Textual Analysis
General and Specific Problems in Contemporary Methods of Teaching
Russian As a Foreign Language
Culturology and Linguoculturology in the System of Teaching Russian
as a Foreign Language

Registration fee for scholars from Russia, CIS, Baltic States,
Central Europe = 200 rubles; for scholars from all other countries
$75 (USD).
Conference participants are responsible for all other costs for
transportation, lodging and meals.

Abstracts are invited up to 2 pages in length with contact
information for the author (name, degree, title, affiliation, contact
information by e-mail, fax, telephone, airmail address).  Deadline
for abstracts is September 5 2001; they must be received by e-mail at
konfd01 at philol.msu.ru.  Abstracts must be in Word for Windows 6.0,
95, 97 in Times New Roman, 1.5 line interval, 2.5 cm margins, right
justified margins, notes after the text.

For more information, call (095) 939-53-29, 939-15-05 or fax at (095)
939-26-22, 939-55-96.

--
____________________________
Benjamin Rifkin

Associate Prof., Slavic Dept., UW-Madison
1432 Van Hise Hall, 1220 Linden Dr.
Madison, WI  53706
voice: 608/262-1623; fax: 608/265-2814
http://polyglot.lss.wisc.edu/slavic/rifkin/

Director of the Russian School
Middlebury College, Middlebury, VT  05753
voice:  802/443-5533; fax: 802/443-5394
http://www.middlebury.edu/~ls/Russian/

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From brifkin at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU  Tue May 15 13:03:12 2001
From: brifkin at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU (Benjamin Rifkin)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 08:03:12 -0500
Subject: OPI Workshop July 2001
Message-ID: <TUE.15.MAY.2001.080312.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

The American Council on the Teaching of Foreign Languages
and Middlebury College

are hosting an ACTFL Oral Proficiency Interview (OPI) Workshop
at Middlebury College, Middlebury, Vermont

July 26-29, 2001

in Russian and 7 other languages.

For more information, see the ACTFL website at www.actfl.org or
contact ACTFL by telephone at (914) 963-8830.

--
____________________________
Benjamin Rifkin

Associate Prof., Slavic Dept., UW-Madison
1432 Van Hise Hall, 1220 Linden Dr.
Madison, WI  53706
voice: 608/262-1623; fax: 608/265-2814
http://polyglot.lss.wisc.edu/slavic/rifkin/

Director of the Russian School
Middlebury College, Middlebury, VT  05753
voice:  802/443-5533; fax: 802/443-5394
http://www.middlebury.edu/~ls/Russian/

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From norafavorov at EARTHLINK.NET  Tue May 15 13:00:58 2001
From: norafavorov at EARTHLINK.NET (Nora Favorov)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:00:58 -0400
Subject: shift from Latin font to Cyrillic
Message-ID: <TUE.15.MAY.2001.090058.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

It depends on the software you are using.  If you are using SmartLinks
ParaWin software, the default switch key is the Control key on the right
side of the keyboard.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Giampaolo Gandolfo" <gpgandolfo at IOL.IT>
To: <SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 8:03 AM
Subject: shift from Latin font to Cyrillic


>         There is a speedy way (one keystroke) to switch when typing
> from any Latin font to a specific  Cyrillic one (Times Cyrillic?),
> and the other way around. Unfortunately I forgot all about it.
> Can anyone remind me?
>                 Forgive me for bothering you with such a petty,
> practical question.
>         Thank you
>                         Giampaolo GAndolfo
>
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From tancockk at UVIC.CA  Tue May 15 14:06:05 2001
From: tancockk at UVIC.CA (Kat Tancock)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 07:06:05 -0700
Subject: shift from Latin font to Cyrillic
In-Reply-To: <a05010400b726c96358b6@[151.15.242.164]>
Message-ID: <TUE.15.MAY.2001.070605.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

That would be caps lock on a Mac. What system are you using?

Kat

--
Kat Tancock
Coordinator
UVic CALL Facility
web.uvic.ca/hrd/call/
tancockk at uvic.ca

> From: Giampaolo Gandolfo <gpgandolfo at IOL.IT>
> Reply-To: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list
> <SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:03:15 +0200
> To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
> Subject: shift from Latin font to Cyrillic
>
> There is a speedy way (one keystroke) to switch when typing
> from any Latin font to a specific  Cyrillic one (Times Cyrillic?),
> and the other way around. Unfortunately I forgot all about it.
> Can anyone remind me?
> Forgive me for bothering you with such a petty,
> practical question.
> Thank you
> Giampaolo GAndolfo
>
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From paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM  Tue May 15 14:13:45 2001
From: paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM (Paul B. Gallagher)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:13:45 -0400
Subject: shift from Latin font to Cyrillic
Message-ID: <TUE.15.MAY.2001.101345.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Giampaolo Gandolfo wrote:

> There is a speedy way (one keystroke) to switch when typing
> from any Latin font to a specific  Cyrillic one (Times Cyrillic?),
> and the other way around. Unfortunately I forgot all about it.
> Can anyone remind me?
> Forgive me for bothering you with such a petty, practical question.

As Nora has pointed out, it depends on your software.

If you're using the utility that comes bundled with Windows, it's the
left ALT key plus SHIFT.

--
War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left.
--
Paul B. Gallagher
pbg translations, inc.
"Russian Translations That Read Like Originals"
http://pbg-translations.com

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From kcf19 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Tue May 15 15:28:56 2001
From: kcf19 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Robert Chandler)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:28:56 +0100
Subject: 300 roubles in the mid 1930s
Message-ID: <TUE.15.MAY.2001.162856.0100.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear all,

The following sentence is from the second paragraph of our draft
translation of Platonov's DZHAN:

"Chagataev excused himself and went out for half an hour.  He went to a
shop and bought all kinds of things there as presents for Ksenya,
spending three hundred roubles.  Had he not done this, he would have
regretted it for many days."

It is clear from the rest of the chapter that he is spending a lot of
money, but I would like to have a clearer idea of just how much.  Can
anyone give me some indication of the value of the rouble in the
mid-thirties?

Thanks,

Robert Chandler

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From holdeman.2 at OSU.EDU  Tue May 15 16:38:52 2001
From: holdeman.2 at OSU.EDU (Jeff Holdeman)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:38:52 -0500
Subject: Macedonian words in English
In-Reply-To: <p04320406b726d9371e22@[144.92.182.57]>
Message-ID: <TUE.15.MAY.2001.113852.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELangers,

I just received a request for a few examples of words borrowed from
Macedonian into English and words from Macedonian borrowed into the other
Slavic languages.  Any ideas?

Jeff


Jeff Holdeman
The Ohio State University
holdeman.2 at osu.edu

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From armstron at GRINNELL.EDU  Tue May 15 15:52:01 2001
From: armstron at GRINNELL.EDU (Todd Armstrong)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:52:01 -0500
Subject: Shakespeare in Slavic
In-Reply-To: <p04320419b720b266261d@[144.92.180.196]>
Message-ID: <TUE.15.MAY.2001.105201.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Seelangers,

I am facilitating a faculty development seminar in the Czech Republic
and Poland this summer, and one of the participants is interested in
Czech, Polish and other Slavic readings/performances/interpretations
of Shakespeare. Any contacts (faculty specializing in Shakespeare,
for example) or other sources would be greatly appreciated.

Please reply off-list to:

Gina Hausknecht
Associate Professor of English
Coe College
ghauskne at coe.edu

If there is interest on the list, we will be happy to post a summary
of responses. Information about the seminar can be found at
http://www.grinnell.edu/individuals/armstron/globalCEseminar/index.htm
l

Thanks in advance,

Todd Armstrong
Grinnell College

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From eginzbur at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Tue May 15 15:51:55 2001
From: eginzbur at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (eginzbur at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:51:55 -0500
Subject: shift from Latin font to Cyrillic
Message-ID: <TUE.15.MAY.2001.105155.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

For windows 95\97\2000 it is  left shift+Alt.

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From ewb2 at CORNELL.EDU  Tue May 15 16:16:21 2001
From: ewb2 at CORNELL.EDU (ewb2 at CORNELL.EDU)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 12:16:21 -0400
Subject: Macedonian words in English
In-Reply-To: <v03130306b72709ca0f16@[140.254.113.162]>
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Many folk dancers in the U.S. know the terms Lesnoto and Tes^koto
('the easy dance' and 'the difficult dance'), and the more general
term oro (in this form it is definitely Macedonian, since a Bulgarian
dance is called horo [XOPO]).
Historians may know komitadji.
People all over ex-Yugoslavia knew tavc^e-gravc^e (a baked bean dish).




Wayles Browne, Assoc. Prof. of Linguistics
Department of Linguistics
Morrill Hall 220, Cornell University
Ithaca, New York 14853, U.S.A.

tel. 607-255-0712 (o), 607-273-3009 (h)
fax 607-255-2044 (write FOR W. BROWNE)
e-mail ewb2 at cornell.edu

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From sipkadan at MAIN.AMU.EDU.PL  Tue May 15 16:52:20 2001
From: sipkadan at MAIN.AMU.EDU.PL (Danko Sipka)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:52:20 +0200
Subject: Macedonian words in English
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In Serbo-Croatian there is also pec"alba (attested for example in Anic's
1998 dictionary).
It also depends on how you define a Macedonian word. Komintaji (komita,
etc.) is originally from the Latin word comes. Oro is originally from Greek
choro/s.
I have looked it up in the electronic edition of the American Heritage
Dicitonary and there are no Macedonian etymologies attested. Same is true
for several other dictionaries, such as German Duden, French Le Petit
Robert, Italian Lo Zingarelli, and Polish Slownik jezyka polskiego.
Best,

Danko Sipka
sipkadan at main.amu.edu.pl or Danko.Sipka at asu.edu
http://main.amu.edu.pl/~sipkadan or http://www.public.asu.edu/~dsipka

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> Many folk dancers in the U.S. know the terms Lesnoto and Tes^koto
> ('the easy dance' and 'the difficult dance'), and the more general
> term oro (in this form it is definitely Macedonian, since a Bulgarian
> dance is called horo [XOPO]).
> Historians may know komitadji.
> People all over ex-Yugoslavia knew tavc^e-gravc^e (a baked bean dish).
>
>
>
>
> Wayles Browne, Assoc. Prof. of Linguistics
> Department of Linguistics
> Morrill Hall 220, Cornell University
> Ithaca, New York 14853, U.S.A.
>
> tel. 607-255-0712 (o), 607-273-3009 (h)
> fax 607-255-2044 (write FOR W. BROWNE)
> e-mail ewb2 at cornell.edu
>
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From paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM  Tue May 15 20:01:44 2001
From: paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM (Paul B. Gallagher)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:01:44 -0400
Subject: OBIT: Joseph Greenberg
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New York Times, May 15, 2001 <http://www.nytimes.com>
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JOSEPH GREENBERG, SINGULAR LINGUIST, DIES AT 85
By Nicholas Wade

Dr. Joseph H. Greenberg, an eminent linguist and classifier of the
world's languages, died on May 7 in Stanford, Calif. He was 85.

The cause was cancer.

Dr. Greenberg's effort to work out the historical relationships among
most of the world's 5,000 languages is regarded as a monumental work of
scholarship but still has critics.

"Next to Chomsky, you have to say Greenberg is clearly the most
important linguist we have had over the last 50 years, in terms of the
quality, quantity and scope of his work," said Dr. Paul Newman, a
linguist at Indiana University, referring to Noam Chomsky, the linguist
and social critic from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

But many critics of Dr. Greenberg's work, particularly his analysis of
American Indian languages, still reject his findings.

Unlike many scholars, Dr. Greenberg was a synthesizer whose interests
spanned the narrow fields of many specialists, not all of whom welcomed
an outsider's interference in their domains. Working with voluminous
handwritten notebooks, he was able to scan the grammar or vocabulary of
hundreds of languages and recognize their relationships.

Though his work remained controversial within historical linguistics, it
was warmly embraced by population geneticists. From analysis of DNA
sequences, the geneticists have recently discovered that modern humans
expanded out of Africa in a series of population splits that accords
closely with the language divisions Dr. Greenberg had inferred on purely
linguistic evidence.

Dr. Luca Cavalli-Sforza, a population geneticist at Stanford University,
last year cited "significant correspondences" between what Dr. Greenberg
theorized and genetic findings.

Many critics "have attacked Greenberg cruelly," Dr. Cavalli- Sforza
said. "I think frankly there is some jealousy behind it because he has
been so successful."

Dr. Greenberg's major works include his classification of the 1,500
languages of Africa into four superfamilies, a work published in 1955;
"Language in the Americas" (1987), in which he assigned the 650 native
languages of North and South America to just three groups; and a study
of Eurasiatic, the inferred ancestral tongue of a swath of languages
from Japanese to Portuguese, the first volume of which appeared last
year.

He also made many other contributions to linguistics, including articles
on typology, a field that concerns language universals like word order.
His 1962 article on typology is said to be among the most widely cited
papers in linguistics.

Joseph Greenberg was born on May 28, 1915, in Brooklyn. His father, from
Poland, was a pharmacist who lost his drugstore in the Depression and
became an insurance salesman. The young Greenberg was exposed to many
languages. His mother's family spoke German.

"I heard Yiddish when my father's family came to the house, which was as
seldom as my mother could arrange it," Dr. Greenberg said in a 1991
interview published in Current Anthropology.

Attracted at first to a career in music (he had perfect pitch and might
have been a professional pianist), he decided while a student at
Columbia University to become a social anthropologist. He did field work
on the religion of the Hausa- speaking people of West Africa, receiving
his Ph.D. from Northwestern University in 1940.

He spent the war years in the Army Signal Intelligence Service, mostly
decoding Italian signals, and on returning to academic life decided his
true interest was in linguistics. He returned to Columbia and remained
from 1948 to 1962, becoming chairman of the department of anthropology.
He then moved to Stanford, where he spent the rest of his career. Though
he retired in 1985, he continued working until a few months before his
death.

African languages, the subject of his first foray into linguistics, were
at that time the fief largely of British and French linguists.

With the simplest of methods, Dr. Greenberg perceived an overarching
pattern in African languages quite different from that espoused by the
leading British authority.

By comparing common words in different African languages, Dr. Greenberg
saw that all could be assigned to one of four major superfamilies, which
he named Afro-Asiatic, Nilo-Saharan, Khoisan and Niger- Kordofanian.

The classification was furiously disputed when it appeared in 1955. Even
15 years later, when Dr. Newman, the Indiana University linguist,
visited the School of African and American Studies in London, he was
told it was quite safe for him to go into the common room as long as he
did not mention Dr. Greenberg's name, Dr. Newman said in an interview.
But Dr. Greenberg's classification has since become widely accepted by
students of African languages.

Despite the success of Dr. Greenberg's comparative method in resolving
the puzzle of African language relationships, when he applied the same
method to the languages of the Americas in 1987, the specialists in the
field derided his analysis.

They asserted that Dr. Greenberg's method was unrigorous, noting that
similarities between the words in different languages could arise for
many reasons other than a common ancestral form.

Dr. Greenberg responded that with the methods his critics insisted on,
proving even the existence of an Indo-European language family ≈ a
widely accepted grouping ≈ would be impossible. The debate was clouded
by errors in Dr. Greenberg's 1987 book, which supporters termed trivial
and critics called fatal.

The languages of the Americas, in his view, fell into three major
groups, which he named Na-Dene (a group of languages spoken in Alaska
and northeastern Canada); Eskimo- Aleut; and Amerind, which included all
the other languages.

In the course of this work, Dr. Greenberg realized that American
languages were related to languages of the Eurasian continent, as would
be expected if the Americas had been inhabited by people migrating from
Siberia. That was the basis of a project that occupied him for the rest
of his life: an ordering of the languages of Europe and Asia into a
superfamily he called Eurasiatic. His concept was similar to but
independent of the Nostratic language grouping developed by Russians.

The first volume of Dr. Greenberg's last work, on the grammar of
Eurasiatic, appeared last year, called "Indo-European and Its Closest
Relatives."

Dr. Merritt Ruhlen of Stanford, a longtime colleague, said Dr. Greenberg
had completed the manuscript of the second volume, on the vocabulary
relationships of Eurasiatic, in October last year, a day before his
pancreatic cancer was diagnosed.

Having grouped most of the languages of the world into some 12
superfamilies, Dr. Greenberg often considered the idea that all might be
descendants of a single ancestral human language, an idea supported by
the new findings from population genetics. He even constructed a
possible global etymology, derived from the universal human habit of
holding up a single finger to denote one.

He inferred that the human mother tongue had a word, "tik," which he saw
mirrored in each of the world's language superfamilies. The reflection
of "tik" in the Indo-European language group shows up in "daktulos,"
"digitus" and "doigt" ≈ Greek, Latin and French for finger, as well as
in the English word digital.

Dr. Newman, who spoke with him a few days before he died, said Dr.
Greenberg's only regret was that he never got around to classifying the
languages of Southeast Asia. "He looked at me almost with tears in his
eyes and said that without classifying them, he hadn't finished his work
with the world's languages," Dr. Newman said.

Dr. Greenberg is survived by his wife, Selma, and by a sister, Barbara
Weissbard of Las Vegas.

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War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left.
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Paul B. Gallagher
pbg translations, inc.
"Russian Translations That Read Like Originals"
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From sao15 at COLUMBIA.EDU  Wed May 16 04:59:37 2001
From: sao15 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Serguei Alex. Oushakine)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:59:37 -0700
Subject: PUB: "Writing the Self" by Irina Savkina
Message-ID: <TUE.15.MAY.2001.215937.0700.SAO15@COLUMBIA.EDU>

Ирина Савкина
"Пишу себя..." Автодокументальные женские тексты в русской литературе первой
половины XIX века. Тампере: Тамперский университет, 2001.

Введение
- Жанры и женщины в тени Великого канона
- "Пограничные"жанры
- Женское ad marginem

Глава 1
История теории (об изучении автодокументальной
литературы)

- Краткая предыстория
- Прикладной подход
- Перемещение интереса от "bio" к  "auto"
- Имеется ли у русских исследователей особый подход к обсуждаемым проблемам?
- "Смерть автора" и перемещение интересаот "auto" к "graphy"
- "Открытие" женской автобиографии
- В поиске специфики женской автобиографии иженского автобиографического
субъекта
- Я и другие
- Долевая (коллективная) идентичность. Двойная самоинтерпретация:
женское Я между мимикрией и бунтом
- Autogynography
- Нецелостный, нестабильный женский субъект
- Не создается ли новый канон "правильной", "настоящей" женской
автобиографии?
- Поиск универсального женского субъекта - пройденный этап? 40
- Умножая различия
- Знаем ли мы, что такое "мужская автобиография"?
- Адресат и читатель
 Теоретические предпосылки данного исследования

Глава 2
Становление женской автодокументальной литературы
 в России

 -Предыстория
- Женские тексты и открытие Я
- Между агиографией и автобиографией: "Своеручные записки" Натальи
Долгоруковой и "Воспоминания" Анны Лабзиной
- Самооправдание и самоутверждение: мемуары Екатерины Великой и Екатерины
"Малой"
 -Исповедь чужим текстом: о некоторых особенностях мемуаров В. Головиной

Глава 3
Ты и Я в женском дневнике

 -Дневник как жанр
- Дневник как письмо: "Журнал для отдохновения" Анны Керн
- Между смирением  и бунтом: дневник Анастасии Якушкиной
- Девичий дневник - чужое и свое : Дневник Анны Олениной
 -Bildungs-дневник: "Мои записки от 1820 года" Анастасии Колечицкой
 -"Та, которой нет": Дневник Елисаветы Поповой "Из московской жизни
сороковых годов"

Глава 4
Воспоминаний палимпсест

- Sui generis: "Кавалерист девица. Происшествиев России" Н. А. Дуровой
- "Чужое - мое сокровище": женские мемуары как автобиография ("Воспоминания"
С. В. Капнист-Скалон)
- Преступление и оправдание: "Автобиография" Н.С. Соханской
 -Что значит быть женщиной-писательницей: модели Я в "Зверинце" А. В.
Зражевской

Глава 5
Женщина "a la lettre": письма Натальи  Александровны Захарьиной-Герцен

 -Женщина в эпистолярном контексте
- Наталья Захарьина: переписка с женихом (1835-1838)
- Кризис идентичности
-Версия Александра
- Версия Натальи
- Трагедия самоосуществления

Заключение
Библиография

Электронная версия книги по адресу http://acta.uta.fi/pdf/951-44-5059-0.pdf

Адрес, куда можно обратиться за покупкой
University of Tampere, P.O. Box 617 33101 Tampere, Finland.
E-mail taju at uta.fi

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From minako.takagi at MM.NEWEB.NE.JP  Wed May 16 05:44:51 2001
From: minako.takagi at MM.NEWEB.NE.JP (TAKAGI minako)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:44:51 +0900
Subject: Conference MGU Dec. '01
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Dear Mr.Rifkin,

Thank you for your information.

But I could't access by the e-mail that you mentioned.

Would you please make certain ?

And if possible, please let me know off-list the name of the
organizer
to talk to.


Ms. Minako TAKAGI

Orner of the mailing list on teacing of Russian language
in Japan

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From katkovski at OSI.HU  Wed May 16 09:54:12 2001
From: katkovski at OSI.HU (Uladzimir Katkouski)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:54:12 +0200
Subject: KGB et al.
Message-ID: <WED.16.MAY.2001.115412.0200.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Sorry, if it is a bit off-topic, but I'm curious, what are (were) the names
of the security forces in the former socialist countries. E.g. I know that
Russian was KGB (Komitet Gosudarstvennoy Bezopasnosti) in the past and
currently is known as FSB (Federalnaya Sluzhba Bezopasnosti). So, what are
the former and current names of security agencies in East Germany, Poland,
Romania, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Czech & Slovak, Hungary, Ukraine, Baltic
States? Thanks a lot in advance!!!

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From gevsmart at INFOCOM.AM  Wed May 16 11:04:08 2001
From: gevsmart at INFOCOM.AM (George Petrosyan)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:04:08 +0400
Subject: KGB et al.
Message-ID: <WED.16.MAY.2001.150408.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Committee of National Security (In Former USSR Republic Armenia); KGB

Uladzimir Katkouski wrote:

> Sorry, if it is a bit off-topic, but I'm curious, what are (were) the names
> of the security forces in the former socialist countries. E.g. I know that
> Russian was KGB (Komitet Gosudarstvennoy Bezopasnosti) in the past and
> currently is known as FSB (Federalnaya Sluzhba Bezopasnosti). So, what are
> the former and current names of security agencies in East Germany, Poland,
> Romania, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Czech & Slovak, Hungary, Ukraine, Baltic
> States? Thanks a lot in advance!!!
>
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From pyz at PANIX.COM  Wed May 16 10:41:33 2001
From: pyz at PANIX.COM (Max Pyziur)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 06:41:33 -0400
Subject: KGB et al.
In-Reply-To: <3B025EA7.2B4692C7@infocom.am>
Message-ID: <WED.16.MAY.2001.064133.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

On Wed, 16 May 2001, George Petrosyan wrote:

> Committee of National Security (In Former USSR Republic Armenia); KGB
>
> Uladzimir Katkouski wrote:
>
> > Sorry, if it is a bit off-topic, but I'm curious, what are (were) the names
> > of the security forces in the former socialist countries. E.g. I know that
> > Russian was KGB (Komitet Gosudarstvennoy Bezopasnosti) in the past and
> > currently is known as FSB (Federalnaya Sluzhba Bezopasnosti). So, what are
> > the former and current names of security agencies in East Germany, Poland,
> > Romania, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Czech & Slovak, Hungary, Ukraine, Baltic
> > States? Thanks a lot in advance!!!
> >

I think that in Ukraine it was something like KDB (Komitet Derzhavnoyi
Bezpeky) and now it's SBU (Sluzhba Bezpeky Ukrayiny).


Max Pyziur                                     BRAMA - Gateway Ukraine
pyz at brama.com                                  http://www.brama.com/

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From pyz at PANIX.COM  Wed May 16 11:19:56 2001
From: pyz at PANIX.COM (pyz at PANIX.COM)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 07:19:56 -0400
Subject: New Book - Lvivska Opera / The Lviv Opera House
Message-ID: <WED.16.MAY.2001.071956.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Greetings and Pryvit!

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Oksana Palamarchuk (author)
Vasyl Pylypiuk (photographer)

The Perfect Mother's Day Gift!
Available on the Internet exclusively at
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Price: USD$49.00 + shipping & handling
Availability: Starts shipping May 4, 2001
Languages: Ukrainian, English
Dimensions: 10.5"x10.5"x3/4" 260x260cm
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-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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magnificent Hall of Mirrors.

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More information and ordering available at:
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Max Pyziur                                     BRAMA - Gateway Ukraine
pyz at brama.com                                  http://www.brama.com/

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From brifkin at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU  Wed May 16 13:13:04 2001
From: brifkin at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU (Benjamin Rifkin)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 08:13:04 -0500
Subject: Conference MGU Dec. '01
In-Reply-To: <3B0213D3.CA32FD54@mm.neweb.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <WED.16.MAY.2001.081304.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I'm sorry, this is all the information that I have on the conference.
I received the message from this e-mail address:
<konfd01 at philol.msu.ru>.

I, myself, am unable to participate in the conference and provided
the information to the list only as a service.

- Ben Rifkin




>?Dear Mr.Rifkin,
>
>Thank you for your information.
>
>But I could't access by the e-mail that you mentioned.
>
>Would you please make certain ?
>
>And if possible, please let me know off-list the name of the
>organizer
>to talk to.
>
>
>Ms. Minako TAKAGI
>
>Orner of the mailing list on teacing of Russian language
>in Japan
>
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From Zemedelec at AOL.COM  Wed May 16 13:49:26 2001
From: Zemedelec at AOL.COM (Leslie Farmer)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:49:26 EDT
Subject: KGB et al.
Message-ID: <WED.16.MAY.2001.094926.EDT.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

StB (Statni Bezpecnost) in the Czech Republic prior to 1989

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From aisrael at AMERICAN.EDU  Wed May 16 13:51:47 2001
From: aisrael at AMERICAN.EDU (Alina Israeli)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 06:51:47 -0700
Subject: New Book - Lvivska Opera / The Lviv Opera House
Message-ID: <WED.16.MAY.2001.065147.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

>Sitting at the top of Prospekt Svoboda at the center of the
>city the Lviv Opera House is an architectural and historical
>monument in this regional capital city in Ukraine. This
>majestic building fascinates all those who observe its refined
>architectural forms, splendid artistic wall-paintings, and its
>magnificent Hall of Mirrors.

As do some of its most provocative sculptures.

**************************************************************
Alina Israeli
LFS, American University                phone:  (202) 885-2387
4400 Mass. Ave., NW                     fax:    (202) 885-1076
Washington, DC 20016

aisrael at american.edu

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From rebecca.e.matveyev at LAWRENCE.EDU  Wed May 16 17:12:54 2001
From: rebecca.e.matveyev at LAWRENCE.EDU (Rebecca Matveyev)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:12:54 -0800
Subject: AAASS
Message-ID: <WED.16.MAY.2001.091254.0800.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I'm looking for a female, non-smoking roommate for the AAASS conference
in November.  I've got a hotel reservation for the nights of the 15th,
16th, and 17th.

Please contact me off-list.  Thanks in advance.

Rebecca


Rebecca Epstein Matveyev
Assistant Professor of Russian
Lawrence University
Appleton, WI 54912
(920) 832-6710
matveyer at lawrence.edu

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From Julie.A.Cassiday at WILLIAMS.EDU  Wed May 16 14:31:24 2001
From: Julie.A.Cassiday at WILLIAMS.EDU (Julie Cassiday)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:31:24 -0400
Subject: A good history of Russian film in Russian?
Message-ID: <WED.16.MAY.2001.103124.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear All,

I'm in the process of preparing a course on Russian film in Russian for next year.  I'd like very much to find a brief history of Russian film *in Russian* that would be appropriate for my students to use.  The course is being designed for undergraduate Russian majors, all of whom have at least three years of college-level Russian and most of whom have spent time studying in Russia already.  Any suggestions you might have would be greatly appreciated.  I'd also appreciate hearing about any resources that you use in teaching Russian/Soviet film, which you find to be particularly useful and I, as a novice teacher of this course, might not know about.

Thank you,

Julie Cassiday
Williams College

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From jbyrd01 at EMORY.EDU  Wed May 16 15:03:34 2001
From: jbyrd01 at EMORY.EDU (Jerry Byrd)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:03:34 -0400
Subject: Russian Lecturer - Emory U
Message-ID: <WED.16.MAY.2001.110334.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

RUSSIAN LECTURER:  Emory University  invites applications for a full-time,
temporary position in Russian for 2001-02 (Classes begin August 30)
Candidates are required to have completed their MA in Russian
linguistics/literature or a related field, and preference will be given to
recent PhD's and ABD's,.  Candidates must be creative and effective teachers
of Russian , with experience teaching American undergraduates.   Fluency in
Russian and in English is required.  Interdisciplinary interests and
interest in applications of new technologies are welcome.  Salary is
$30,000, and benefits are provided.  Please forward letter of application,
transcript, and 3 letters of recommendation to Juliette Stapanian Apkarian,
Chair, Department of Russian and East Asian Languages and Cultures/121
Trimble Hall/Emory University/Atlanta, GA 30322.    Review of applications
will begin on June 6.  Emory is an Affirmative Action/EqualOpportunity
Employer.

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From peitlova at TISCALINET.IT  Wed May 16 15:20:38 2001
From: peitlova at TISCALINET.IT (Edil Legno)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:20:38 +0200
Subject: KGB
Message-ID: <WED.16.MAY.2001.172038.0200.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

In Czechoslovakia it was  STB
Stàtna tajnà bezpecnost'.

Katarina Peitlova.Ph.D.

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From jhajnal at RCI.RUTGERS.EDU  Wed May 16 15:32:52 2001
From: jhajnal at RCI.RUTGERS.EDU (Judit Hajnal)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:32:52 -0400
Subject: KGB
In-Reply-To: <001401c0de1b$cb8ef1c0$81f10a3e@n>
Message-ID: <WED.16.MAY.2001.113252.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

In Hungary it was called A'VH = A'llamve'delmi Hato'sa'g ("State Defence
Authority), commonly called A'VO'.

Judit Hajnal
Hungarian Institute, SEELL
Rutgers University

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From wm6 at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Wed May 16 15:47:09 2001
From: wm6 at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (w. martin)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:47:09 -0500
Subject: KGB
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.10.10105161128380.5256-100000@niflheim.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.16.MAY.2001.104709.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

in east germany it was called "MfS" (Ministerium fuer Staatsicherheit),
a.k.a. "Stasi".

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From tatiana at LCLARK.EDU  Wed May 16 21:21:46 2001
From: tatiana at LCLARK.EDU (Tatiana Osipovich)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 14:21:46 -0700
Subject: apartment in Moscow is needed
Message-ID: <WED.16.MAY.2001.142146.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I want to rent an apartment in Moscow June 6 - July 2 (small, centrally
located; with furniture; clean and secured). If you know anybody who can
help me, please reply directly to me.
Thanks,
Tatiana Osipovich
Lewis & Clark College
Portland, Oregon

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From delle at TACONIC.NET  Wed May 16 22:54:30 2001
From: delle at TACONIC.NET (Mary Delle LeBeau)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:54:30 -0500
Subject: A good history of Russian film in Russian?
In-Reply-To: <009e01c0de14$e25afd60$165fa589@williams.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.16.MAY.2001.175430.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Ms. Cassiday,

I am most interested to hear the responses you get to your query.  If
you receive any responses off-list, I would be most appreciative if
you would share them with me.

Thank you,

Mary Delle LeBeau
PhD candidate at University of Southern California

On 16 May 01, at 10:31, Julie Cassiday wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> I'm in the process of preparing a course on Russian film in Russian for next year.  I'd like very much to find a brief history of Russian film *in Russian* that would be appropriate for my students to use.  The course is being designed for undergraduate Russian majors, all of whom have at least
three years of college-level Russian and most of whom have spent time studying in Russia already.  Any suggestions you might have would be greatly appreciated.  I'd also appreciate hearing about any resources that you use in teaching Russian/Soviet film, which you find to be particularly useful
and I, as a novice teacher of this course, might not know about.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Julie Cassiday
> Williams College
>
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From llt at HAWAII.EDU  Wed May 16 23:20:30 2001
From: llt at HAWAII.EDU (Language Learning & Technology)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:20:30 -1000
Subject: LLT Vol 5 Num 1 now available!
Message-ID: <WED.16.MAY.2001.132030.1000.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

We are happy to announce that Volume 5, Number 2 of Language Learning
& Technology is now available at http://llt.msu.edu. This is a
Special Issue on "Computer-Assisted Language Testing" and was edited
by Irene Thompson. The contents are listed below.

We welcome your submissions of articles, reviews, and commentaries
for future issues. Check our guidelines for submission at
http://llt.msu.edu/contrib.html.

Sincerely,

Mark Warschauer, Irene Thompson, and Dorothy Chun, Editors
Language Learning & Technology (http://llt.msu.edu)

--------Feature Articles--------

Comparability of Conventional and Computerized Tests of Reading in a
Second Language
Yasuyo Sawaki

Comparing Examinee Attitudes Toward Computer-Assisted and Other Oral
Proficiency Assessments
Dorry Kenyon & Valerie Malabonga

Web-Based Language Testing
Carsten Roever


--------Commentaries --------

Language Testing and Technology: Past and Future
Micheline Chalhoub-Deville

Concerns with Computerized Adaptive Oral Proficiency Assessment (on
Kenyon & Malabonga, this issue)
John Norris

Response to Norris Commentary
Dorry Kenyon, Valerie Malabonga, & Helen Carpenter

-------- Columns --------

 From the Editors
Mark Warschauer & Dorothy Chun

 From the Special Issue Editor
Irene Thompson

On the Net
Language Testing Resources
Jean LeLoup & Robert Ponterio

Emerging Technologies
Language Testing Tools and Technologies
Robert Godwin-Jones

-------- Reviews --------
Edited by Jennifer Leeman

Issues in Computer-Adaptive Testing of Reading Proficiency (Micheline
Chalhoub-Deville, Ed.)
Reviewed by Marisol Fernandez-Garcia

Computerized Adaptive Testing: A Primer (Howard Wainer, Ed.)
Reviewed by John Norris

Hot Potatoes (Stewart Arneil, Martin Holmes, & Hilary Street)
Reviewed by Paula Winke & David MacGregor

Test Pilot (ClearLearning)
Reviewed by Charlene Polio


-------- Call for Papers --------

Theme: Telecollaboration

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From sher07 at MINDSPRING.COM  Thu May 17 06:17:22 2001
From: sher07 at MINDSPRING.COM (Benjamin Sher)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 01:17:22 -0500
Subject: Russian Index corrected
Message-ID: <THU.17.MAY.2001.011722.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear friends:

I recently upgraded to a new version of Linux and failed to see that it had
corrupted my Russian Index. I finally noticed it last night and have, I
think, cleaned up the mess. I sure hope it doesn't happen again, but it may.
So, If you see any problems, i.e. any pattern of weird of gibberish in the
text, please let me know.

Thanks so very much.

Benjamin
--
Sher's Russian web
http://www.websher.net
Benjamin and Anna Sher
sher07 at mindspring.com

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From onurb at SWISSONLINE.CH  Thu May 17 09:37:12 2001
From: onurb at SWISSONLINE.CH (Bruno Aeschbacher)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:37:12 +0200
Subject: QUERY: Address of MGU Intl Russian Studies
Message-ID: <THU.17.MAY.2001.113712.0200.>

Dear list,

I am looking for the e-mail address and the fax number of the International
Russian Language Course Program at MGU (Filfak), as the one I have
(msu.Russian at cs.msu.su) does not seem to work anymore.

Thank you!

Bruno Aeschbacher
Geneva, Switzerland
mailto:onurb at swissonline.ch

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From onurb at SWISSONLINE.CH  Thu May 17 11:45:04 2001
From: onurb at SWISSONLINE.CH (Bruno Aeschbacher)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:45:04 +0200
Subject: QUERY: Address of MGU Intl Russian Studies - THANK YOU
Message-ID: <THU.17.MAY.2001.134504.0200.>

As someone confirmed, the below mentioned e-mail address is still valid. I
can't explain why my first message came back as undeliverable.

Bruno Aeschbacher
Geneva, Switzerland
mailto:onurb at swissonline.ch



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Dear list,

I am looking for the e-mail address and the fax number of the International
Russian Language Course Program at MGU (Filfak), as the one I have
(msu.Russian at cs.msu.su) does not seem to work anymore.

Thank you!

Bruno Aeschbacher
Geneva, Switzerland
mailto:onurb at swissonline.ch

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From jebrown at HAWAII.EDU  Thu May 17 18:22:04 2001
From: jebrown at HAWAII.EDU (James E Brown)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:22:04 -1000
Subject: Accessing Dollars In Moscow
In-Reply-To: <200105020934.SAA12069@tsuji.yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp>
Message-ID: <THU.17.MAY.2001.082204.1000.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

        I'll be in Moscow this summer and need to know if it is possible
to access dollars at banks or ATM machines using either a Visa
credit card or a Mastercard debit card.  I have heard that at one time it
was possible to access both rubles and dollars at ATM's but I do not know
if this is still the case.  I will be very grateful for this information.

:> James E. Brown
jebrown at hawaii.edu
University of Hawaii

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From idshevelenko at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU  Thu May 17 20:50:05 2001
From: idshevelenko at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU (Irina D. Shevelenko)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:50:05 -0500
Subject: Accessing Dollars In Moscow
Message-ID: <THU.17.MAY.2001.155005.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

No, it's absolutely impossible to get dollars at ATM's in Russia.

I.Sh.

James E Brown wrote:

>         I'll be in Moscow this summer and need to know if it is possible
> to access dollars at banks or ATM machines using either a Visa
> credit card or a Mastercard debit card.  I have heard that at one time it
> was possible to access both rubles and dollars at ATM's but I do not know
> if this is still the case.  I will be very grateful for this information.
>
> :> James E. Brown
> jebrown at hawaii.edu
> University of Hawaii
>
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From tancockk at UVIC.CA  Thu May 17 21:32:25 2001
From: tancockk at UVIC.CA (Kat Tancock)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 14:32:25 -0700
Subject: Accessing Dollars In Moscow
In-Reply-To: <3B04397D.374B8BD@facstaff.wisc.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.17.MAY.2001.143225.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

However, you should be able to get dollars from a bank. I've done that
(although it was two years ago).

Kat

On Thursday, May 17, 2001, at 01:50  PM, Irina D. Shevelenko wrote:

> No, it's absolutely impossible to get dollars at ATM's in Russia.
>
> I.Sh.
>
> James E Brown wrote:
>
>>         I'll be in Moscow this summer and need to know if it is
>> possible
>> to access dollars at banks or ATM machines using either a Visa
>> credit card or a Mastercard debit card.  I have heard that at one time
>> it
>> was possible to access both rubles and dollars at ATM's but I do not
>> know
>> if this is still the case.  I will be very grateful for this
>> information.
>>
>> :> James E. Brown
>> jebrown at hawaii.edu
>> University of Hawaii
>>
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From kjhunter at GPU.SRV.UALBERTA.CA  Thu May 17 21:36:37 2001
From: kjhunter at GPU.SRV.UALBERTA.CA (K Hunter)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:36:37 -0600
Subject: Accessing Dollars In Moscow
In-Reply-To: <200105172132.f4HLWfJ38450@cascara.UVic.CA>
Message-ID: <THU.17.MAY.2001.153637.0600.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELANGERS,

can someone tell me how to get off this list?

Kate Hunter, MA
Modern Languages and Cultural Studies
200 Arts Building
University of Alberta
Edmonton, Alberta
T6G 2E6
Canada

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From paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM  Thu May 17 22:24:05 2001
From: paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM (Paul B. Gallagher)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 18:24:05 -0400
Subject: Accessing Dollars In Moscow
Message-ID: <THU.17.MAY.2001.182405.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Kate Hunter wrote:

[replying publicly in case anyone else needs the info -- pbg]

> Dear SEELANGERS,
>
> can someone tell me how to get off this list?

When you subscribed, you should have received a welcome message, which
reads, in part...

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From aof at UMICH.EDU  Fri May 18 01:46:25 2001
From: aof at UMICH.EDU (Annie Fisher)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 20:46:25 -0500
Subject: Accessing Dollars In Moscow
Message-ID: <THU.17.MAY.2001.204625.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Hello, I was in Moscow from Sept. 1999 to Dec. 2001 and I found several
ATM's that gave out dollars there: try the ATM for a bank on Kutuzovskij
Prospekt (take the metro to Kutuzovskaia, where the big Panintern store is
inside the station, go out on the north or east side -- the same side that
that small theatre is on -- and walk five or ten minutes away from the
metro, towards the city center; I forgot which bank it is, unfortunately),
or on Novij Arbat, on the north side opposite the Irish Houses, that huge
western style grocery store (again, I forgot the name of the bank). Many, if
not most, ATM's offer a dollar option; the worst annoyance about them is
that sometimes they are limited to one hundred dollar bill per transaction,
so you have to go through the whole rigmarole for each $100 -- and incur the
ATM fee each time, both at home and, IF that ATM charges fees, on the
Russian side. Not all ATM's do. If you'll be using ATM's as your primary
source of cash, you should have no problem finding ATM's that don't take
fees. I found that, since my home bank only charges 40 cents per ATM
transaction, if I picked ATM's with no transaction fee on the russian side,
it was cheaper to get my dollars from the ATM than to withdraw dollars for
the 1.5, 2, or 3 % fee from a teller in the bank. I never had a problem
relying on ATM's (alhtough you still want a months' worth of cash
or --second best -- travellers' checks stashed somewhere, just to be on the
safe side!).
-Annie


-----Original Message-----
From: Kat Tancock <tancockk at UVIC.CA>
To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU <SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
Date: Thursday, May 17, 2001 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: Accessing Dollars In Moscow


>However, you should be able to get dollars from a bank. I've done that
>(although it was two years ago).
>
>Kat
>
>On Thursday, May 17, 2001, at 01:50  PM, Irina D. Shevelenko wrote:
>
>> No, it's absolutely impossible to get dollars at ATM's in Russia.
>>
>> I.Sh.
>>
>> James E Brown wrote:
>>
>>>         I'll be in Moscow this summer and need to know if it is
>>> possible
>>> to access dollars at banks or ATM machines using either a Visa
>>> credit card or a Mastercard debit card.  I have heard that at one time
>>> it
>>> was possible to access both rubles and dollars at ATM's but I do not
>>> know
>>> if this is still the case.  I will be very grateful for this
>>> information.
>>>
>>> :> James E. Brown
>>> jebrown at hawaii.edu
>>> University of Hawaii
>>>
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From ElisabethG at YUCOM.BE  Fri May 18 10:26:50 2001
From: ElisabethG at YUCOM.BE (Elisabeth Ghysels)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:26:50 +0200
Subject: Aleksandr Kushner
Message-ID: <FRI.18.MAY.2001.122650.0200.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Seelangers,

Reading Kushners poem 'Pod zanaves', one tends to see this curtain as the
Iron Curtain, which separates him from another world, especially because in
the second stanza appears the world 'iron'. But our Russian Literature
professor rejected fully this interpretation, seeing this poem merely as a
love poem, a farewell to the beloved one.
I would be grateful to hear different opinions on this theme.

Kind regards,
Elisabeth Ghysels

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From N.Bermel at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK  Fri May 18 11:47:33 2001
From: N.Bermel at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Neil Bermel)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:47:33 +0100
Subject: BASEES 2002 - CFP in language/linguistics/translation studies
Message-ID: <FRI.18.MAY.2001.124733.0100.>

CALL FOR PAPERS IN LANGUAGE, LINGUISTICS, AND
TRANSLATION STUDIES

The annual conference of the British Association of Slavonic and East
European Studies (BASEES) will be held at Fitzwilliam College,
Cambridge University on 6-8 April 2002.  Brief abstracts (100-200
words) are invited for 20-minute papers in any area of linguistics,
language pedagogy, and translation studies as they pertain to the
Slavonic languages.  The working languages of the conference are
English and Russian.

Last year's conference featured approximately twenty papers in
formal linguistics, sociolinguistics, historical linguistics, language
pedagogy, and translation studies presented by staff and graduate
students from institutions in the UK and abroad.  The conference as a
whole saw around 245 presentations on literature, art, culture, history,
economics, politics, sociology, social policy, film and media studies in
Central and Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union.

Abstracts for language, linguistics and translation studies papers
should be sent, with full contact details, by 15 October 2001 to Neil
Bermel at

n.bermel at sheffield.ac.uk

or at the following address:

Department of Russian and Slavonic Studies
Arts Tower, Western Bank
University of Sheffield
Sheffield S10 2TN United Kingdom
Phone +44 (0)114 222 7405
Fax:  +44 (0)114 222 7416

Apologies for cross-posting of this notice.


*******************************************
Neil Bermel
Sheffield University
Department of Russian and Slavonic Studies
Arts Tower, Western Bank
Sheffield S10 2TN United Kingdom
telephone (+44) (0)114 222 7405
fax (+44) (0)114 222 7416
n.bermel at sheffield.ac.uk

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From vernikov at STUDENTS.WISC.EDU  Fri May 18 13:50:29 2001
From: vernikov at STUDENTS.WISC.EDU (David Vernikov)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:50:29 -0500
Subject: Aleksandr Kushner
In-Reply-To: <NEBBLJCDNLFEALHODJCEEENJCNAA.ElisabethG@yucom.be>
Message-ID: <FRI.18.MAY.2001.085029.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Elizabeth,

At 12:26 PM 5/18/01 +0200, you wrote:
>Reading Kushners poem 'Pod zanaves', one tends to see this curtain as the
>Iron Curtain, which separates him from another world, especially because in
>the second stanza appears the world 'iron'. But our Russian Literature
>professor rejected fully this interpretation, seeing this poem merely as a
>love poem, a farewell to the beloved one.

Your professor seems to be absolutely right.  "Pod zanaves" is a standard
idiom meaning "at the end of a performance" and this reading is fully
supported by the development of the metaphor of life as a play that
follows.  In this sense "zanaves" indicates the end of life and does
separate two worlds but in the metaphysical sence, not a political one.
Furthermore, one suspects that the phrase "zheleznyi zanaves" is not at all
a part of Kushner's poetic vocabulary, since the civic theme is not
something ever directly explored by him.

Best,
David Vernikov
UW-Madison

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From djloewen at STUDENTS.WISC.EDU  Fri May 18 20:26:09 2001
From: djloewen at STUDENTS.WISC.EDU (Donald Loewen)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:26:09 -0500
Subject: Accessing Dollars In Moscow
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0105170813590.25275-100000@uhunix4>
Message-ID: <FRI.18.MAY.2001.152609.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Yes, it's possible to get dollars at ATM's.  One thing to be aware of: just
last year there was a very well-oiled number-grabbing operation that seemed
to operate out of Moscow.  During our last year in Moscow (July '99 to June
2000) many of our Moscow-based European friends received unsolicited
notices from their home-country banks, advising them that their debit and
credit cards had been cancelled as a precaution and that they were being
issued new cards.  I personally knew three people who were affected.  The
actual source of the problem was never publicly identified, as far as I
recall.  There was a series of articles about the problem in _The Moscow
Times_ about a year ago; I don't know if it has been a problem
recently.  We had been relying on the ATM method until then, and switched
to something else after that.
Good luck,
Don
At 01:22 PM 5/17/01, you wrote:
>         I'll be in Moscow this summer and need to know if it is possible
>to access dollars at banks or ATM machines using either a Visa
>credit card or a Mastercard debit card.  I have heard that at one time it
>was possible to access both rubles and dollars at ATM's but I do not know
>if this is still the case.  I will be very grateful for this information.
>
>:> James E. Brown
>jebrown at hawaii.edu
>University of Hawaii
>
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From retaylor at USC.EDU  Fri May 18 23:47:35 2001
From: retaylor at USC.EDU (retaylor)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 16:47:35 -0700
Subject: School in St. Petersburg
Message-ID: <FRI.18.MAY.2001.164735.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Seelangers,

If any of you find yourselves travelling to Russia with kids, I'd like to
bring to your attention a private school in St. Petersburg called
"Epishkola."  Progressive teaching philosophy, low student-teacher
ratios, friendly teachers, good food -- these are some of the reasons that
my daughter and I liked this school.

More information can be found on their web site:

> http://www.petuhov.com/Epishkola/index.html

or by emailing the director, Mikhail Markovich Epshtein:

        jkorczak at soros.spb.ru

Thank you,
Romy Taylor

Ph.D. candidate
University of Southern California

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From minako.takagi at MM.NEWEB.NE.JP  Sat May 19 14:19:33 2001
From: minako.takagi at MM.NEWEB.NE.JP (TAKAGI minako)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 23:19:33 +0900
Subject: Conference MGU Dec. '01
Message-ID: <SAT.19.MAY.2001.231933.0900.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Mr.Rifkin,

My apology for  my   impudent responce.


Minako TAKAGI

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From brifkin at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU  Sat May 19 15:50:39 2001
From: brifkin at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU (Benjamin Rifkin)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 10:50:39 -0500
Subject: your apology
Message-ID: <SAT.19.MAY.2001.105039.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Mr. / Ms. Takagi:

No apology is necessary. I didn't think your comment was impudent at
all.  I just provided all the information I did have, all the
information that was given to me.  I'm not one of the organizers of
the conference, so I don't know any more than I gave the list.

Ben Rifkin

--
____________________________
Benjamin Rifkin

Associate Prof., Slavic Dept., UW-Madison
1432 Van Hise Hall, 1220 Linden Dr.
Madison, WI  53706
voice: 608/262-1623; fax: 608/265-2814
http://polyglot.lss.wisc.edu/slavic/rifkin/

Director of the Russian School
Middlebury College, Middlebury, VT  05753
voice:  802/443-5533; fax: 802/443-5394
http://www.middlebury.edu/~ls/Russian/

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From brifkin at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU  Sat May 19 15:50:56 2001
From: brifkin at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU (Benjamin Rifkin)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 10:50:56 -0500
Subject: my apology
Message-ID: <SAT.19.MAY.2001.105056.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

And now I apologize to the list for posting something that should
have been private correspondence!

- BR

--
____________________________
Benjamin Rifkin

Associate Prof., Slavic Dept., UW-Madison
1432 Van Hise Hall, 1220 Linden Dr.
Madison, WI  53706
voice: 608/262-1623; fax: 608/265-2814
http://polyglot.lss.wisc.edu/slavic/rifkin/

Director of the Russian School
Middlebury College, Middlebury, VT  05753
voice:  802/443-5533; fax: 802/443-5394
http://www.middlebury.edu/~ls/Russian/

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From tarator at MSN.COM  Sat May 19 16:07:50 2001
From: tarator at MSN.COM (Daniel Gueorguiev)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 12:07:50 -0400
Subject: Searching for advice
Message-ID: <SAT.19.MAY.2001.120750.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELANGERS,
My name is Daniel Gueorguiev, I am Bulgarian and have been living in
America for a year and a half.
My background is in Slavic Philology and I have taught literature for nine
years in Bulgaria at the secondary level. In addition to my teaching
position, I was responsible for instructing an exstracurricular course to
prepare candidate students for the intense humanities entrance exams of
Sofia University " Saint Climent Ohridski", the leading university of
Bulgaria. I have also published a textbook entitled " Ancient Literature"
which, for four years, has been certified by the Bilgarian Ministry of
Education and used by secondary and university students, as well as
teachers throughout my country. Aside from this publication, I have been
published in various journals and newspapers, have authored a thesis
addressing the dramaturgy of Russian dramatist Evgeni Schwartz, and have
been published a book of poetry.
I would like to continue teaching in my specialty at a school, college or
university here in the United States. Unfortunately, as I am unaware of
exactly how my education and work experience will transfer to American
standarts, I am uncertain whether to continue my education, either at the
Master`s or Doctoral level, or to seek employment.
If there is any advice you could offer regarding the development and
continuation of my professional interests in America, I would greatly
appreciate it.
Thank you very much for your time and cooperation.
Sincerely yours,
Daniel Gueorguiev

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From TobyClymn at AOL.COM  Sun May 20 14:03:03 2001
From: TobyClymn at AOL.COM (TobyClymn at AOL.COM)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 10:03:03 EDT
Subject: Meyerhold in Paris
Message-ID: <SUN.20.MAY.2001.100303.EDT.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I would appreciate any information concerning the following:

Meyerhold spent about a week in Prague seeing Czech theatre and theatre
people at the end of October 1936, on his way to Moscow from Paris. Is there
any specific account in Russian sources of whom he met, what productions he
saw, and what notes or comments he may have made concerning the visit?

Toby W. Clyman
e-mail: clymn at alol.com
           clyman at albany.edu

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From edythe.haber at UMB.EDU  Mon May 21 03:24:22 2001
From: edythe.haber at UMB.EDU (edythe.haber)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 23:24:22 -0400
Subject: Zamiatin translation
Message-ID: <SUN.20.MAY.2001.232422.0400.>

Dear Seelangers,

        A student has asked me if I knew of a translation of Zamiatin's
play, "The Fires of St. Dominic."  Does anyone happen to know of one?
                                        Thanks so much,
                                        Edie Haber

Edythe C. Haber
Professor of Russian
Modern Languages Department
University of Massachusetts Boston
100 Morrissey Boulevard
Boston, MA 02125
(617)287-7578

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From wlado at GMX.AT  Mon May 21 08:43:32 2001
From: wlado at GMX.AT (Wladimir Fischer)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 10:43:32 +0200
Subject: Two new books on Balkan linguistics
Message-ID: <MON.21.MAY.2001.104332.0200.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Forwarded

=========

ANNOUNCING:

In Honor of Diversity: The Linguistic Resources of the Balkans

By Ronelle Alexander, University of California, Berkeley

No. 2 in The Kenneth E. Naylor Memorial Lecture Series in South Slavic
Linguistics (2000)
[Series Editor: Brian D. Joseph, Kenneth E. Naylor Professor of South
Slavic Linguistics (Ohio State University)]

A Publication of the Department of Slavic and East European Languages and
Literatures, Ohio State University, Columbus, Ohio (USA)

Based on the author's 1999 Naylor Memorial Lecture, this richly documented
120-page monograph provides an overview of South Slavic dialectology, with
attention to the social and political dimensions to dialect differences in
the Slavic languages of the Balkans as well as to traditional
dialectological isoglosses and classifications. Dr. Alexander includes 20
maps and a splendidly thorough 50-page bibliography that lists all the
important works in South Slavic dialectology in the past 150 years.

$6.00(US), shipping included; address inquiries and orders to: Naylor
Lecture Series, Department of Slavic and East European Languages and
Literatures, 232 Cunz Hall, Ohio State University, Columbus, Ohio, USA
43210-1215 (e-mail to slavicdept at osu.edu).


Also available from the same series:

Linguistic Emblems and Emblematic Languages: On Language as Flag in the
Balkans, by Victor A. Friedman, the University of Chicago

Published in 1999; 40pp. $4.00(US), shipping included.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Please send ____ copies of R. Alexander In Honor of Diversity ... at $6.00
____ copies of V. Friedman Linguistic Emblem... at $4.00

To: Name _____________________________________________________
Address  ____________________________________________________
        _____________________________________________________
        ____________________________________________________

Return this form to: Naylor Lecture Series, Department of Slavic and East
European Languages and Literatures, 232 Cunz Hall, Ohio State University,
Columbus, Ohio, USA 43210-1215 (e-mail to slavicdept at osu.edu). Make checks
payable to The Ohio State University.


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From wlado at GMX.AT  Mon May 21 09:37:21 2001
From: wlado at GMX.AT (Wladimir Fischer)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:37:21 +0200
Subject: Fwd: ST-L: Fw: Call for contributions to new 1,000 Language
 Online Archive
Message-ID: <MON.21.MAY.2001.113721.0200.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Forwarded from LINGUIST list (http://www.linguistlist.org)
-------------------------------------------------

Announcing the launch of The Rosetta Project 1,000 Language Online
Archive at http://www.RosettaProject.org

Call for text contribution and review comments.

The Rosetta Project is an attempt to create a broad corpus of language
descriptions, vernacular texts, analytic materials and audio files for 1,000
languages in a publicly accessible, online archive as well as on various
extreme term storage media.  The intention is to create a meaningful
survey and near permanent archive of 1,000 languages as well as a
unique platform for contemporary comparative linguistic research and
education.  For each language, we are collecting seven
descriptive/analytic components.

- Detailed descriptions
- Glossed vernacular texts
- Orthographies
- Swadesh 100 word vocabulary lists
- Inventories of phonemes
- Morphology and Syntax sketches
- Translations of Genesis Ch 1-3
- Audio files with transcriptions

We are creating this broad language archive through an open
contribution, open review process, similar to the strategy that created
the Oxford English Dictionary.  Though in this case, we hope the
Internet speeds the process a little bit. . . ;-)  And to help the process
along, we are initiating collection efforts at Stanford Berkeley, Yale and
SIL, as well as collaborations with various scholars of comparative and
historical linguistics.

As this is an open source project (a Linux of Linguistics), we need your
help.  We call on all language specialists, whether linguist,
anthropologist, translator or interested native speaker, to contribute
texts or provide review comments in their languages of expertise.  To
enable this collaboration, we have created an elaborate online working
environment at www.rosettaproject.org, offering access to all the texts in
our database, as well as providing various tools for text review,
annotation and discussion.

To clarify, this project is not an attempt to orchestrate massive new
research on lesser documented languages.  Rather, our intention is to
develop a powerful, well tended platform to collect, preserve and make
available the many riches of already completed descriptive linguistic
work- work that is often difficult to access or rotting away in
underfunded archives or in the file cabinets of our aging colleagues.
We are starting with the above descriptive frame for each language, but
hope to expand the list as new datasets or texts appear that need an
online home.  We have created the navigation and search environment.
It is now yours to fill what that which interests you.

In the end, we hope this worldwide collaboration to create a new global
"Rosetta Stone" will help draw attention to the tragedy of language
extinction as well as speed the work to preserve what we have left of this
critical manifestation of the human intellect.

Please visit us at http://www.rosettaproject.org.  We expect you will be
pleased with what you find and hope you will join us for this very
ambitious new initiative.

Jim Mason
Director, The Rosetta Project
Long Now Foundation
http://www.longnow.org

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From jbyrd01 at EMORY.EDU  Mon May 21 14:08:21 2001
From: jbyrd01 at EMORY.EDU (Jerry Byrd)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 10:08:21 -0400
Subject: RUSS Lecturer, Emory U, amended
Message-ID: <MON.21.MAY.2001.100821.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Please note the statement regarding citizenship requirement. Thank you.


RUSSIAN LECTURER:  Emory University  invites applications for a full-time,
temporary position in Russian for 2001-02 (Classes begin August 30)
Candidates are required to have completed their MA in Russian
linguistics/literature or a related field, and preference will be given to
recent PhD's and ABD's,.  Candidates must be creative and effective teachers
of Russian , with experience teaching American undergraduates.   Fluency in
Russian and in English is required.  Interdisciplinary interests and
interest in applications of new technologies are welcome.  Salary is
$30,000, and benefits are provided. Applicants must be US citizens or have
visa status that would enable them to begin teaching in the US in August
2001.Please forward letter of application, transcript, and 3 letters of
recommendation to Juliette Stapanian Apkarian, Chair, Department of Russian
and East Asian Languages and Cultures/121 Trimble Hall/Emory
University/Atlanta, GA 30322.    Review of applications will begin on June
6.  Emory is an Affirmative Action/EqualOpportunity Employer.

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From jbyrd01 at EMORY.EDU  Mon May 21 14:47:19 2001
From: jbyrd01 at EMORY.EDU (Jerry Byrd)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 10:47:19 -0400
Subject: Russ Lecturer, Emory U
Message-ID: <MON.21.MAY.2001.104719.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

The following job description is a substitute for the original that was sent
to SEELANGS.


RUSSIAN LECTURER:  Emory University  invites applications for a full-time,
temporary position in Russian for 2001-02 (Classes begin August 30)
Candidates are required to have completed their MA in Russian
linguistics/literature or a related field, and preference will be given to
recent PhD's and ABD's,.  Candidates must be creative and effective teachers
of Russian , with experience teaching American undergraduates.   Fluency in
Russian and in English is required.  Interdisciplinary interests and
interest in applications of new technologies are welcome.  Salary is
$30,000, and benefits are provided. Applicants must be US citizens or have
visa status that would enable them to begin teaching in the US in August
2001.Please forward letter of application, transcript, and 3 letters of
recommendation to Juliette Stapanian Apkarian, Chair, Department of Russian
and East Asian Languages and Cultures/121 Trimble Hall/Emory
University/Atlanta, GA 30322.    Review of applications will begin on June
6.  Emory is an Affirmative Action/EqualOpportunity Employer.

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From weir at FAS.HARVARD.EDU  Mon May 21 15:38:05 2001
From: weir at FAS.HARVARD.EDU (Justin Weir)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:38:05 -0400
Subject: Call for Papers
Message-ID: <MON.21.MAY.2001.113805.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

The Over-Examined Life: New Perspectives on Tolstoy

Monologist, moralist, (anti-)novelist, hyper-realist, and aristocratic bard
of peasant and field... We are all familiar with the accepted notions of
Tolstoy's art and thought. How can we experience the shock of the new again
in our approach to Tolstoy? How can we "defamiliarize" our cherished ideas
about the great defamiliarizer himself?

The Harvard University Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures and
Davis Center for Russian Studies will host a two-day conference on April 19-
20, 2002 devoted to new perspectives on the life and work of Lev Tolstoy.
This conference aims to bring together diverse approaches and revisit the
foundations of Tolstoy scholarship. We seek papers that explicitly address
much-beloved notions about the Great Master, and subject to critical
inquiry the traditions and familiar assumptions of interpreting Tolstoy.

Scholars interested in participating are invited to submit paper proposals
by September 1, 2001. Abstracts may be sent to Julie A. Buckler
(buckler at fas.harvard.edu) or Justin Weir (weir at fas.harvard.edu), Department
of Slavic Languages and Literatures, Harvard University, Barker Center, 12
Quincy Street, Cambridge, MA 02138.

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From litus at PILOT.MSU.EDU  Tue May 22 00:52:27 2001
From: litus at PILOT.MSU.EDU (Ludmilla L. Litus)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 20:52:27 -0400
Subject: Call for Contributions to Special Issue on Sasha Sokolov
Message-ID: <MON.21.MAY.2001.205227.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

First Call for contributions to Special Issue of  Canadian-American Slavonic
Papers dedicated to Sasha Sokolov. Publication planned Fall 2002.
Submissions due October 21, 2001.

Send inquiries and abstracts to ludmillalitus at hotmail.com.

===================================================
ludmillalitus at hotmail.com``````````````Office  Hours:  Summer 2001, by
appointment.
http://www.msu.edu/~litus
www.ludmilla.fws1.com (under construction)
Prof. Ludmilla L. Litus
Department of Linguistics and Languages
A-641 Wells Hall

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From silantev at SSCADM.NSU.RU  Tue May 22 08:46:33 2001
From: silantev at SSCADM.NSU.RU (Igor Silantev)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:46:33 +0600
Subject: theory of narrative motif
In-Reply-To: <p04320401b7093c709380@[128.104.53.111]>
Message-ID: <TUE.22.MAY.2001.144633.0600.SILANTEV@SSCADM.NSU.RU>

Dear Colleagues,

I am doing a historiography research on motif theory as it was
developed in Russian literature studies from the end of XIXth century
and from the time of "formal school" to the present days. I wonder if
you can help me to find some modern research works on narrative motif
theory outside Russia, especially in America and U.K. I understand
that the motif theory is not a "hot" issue in modern western
narratology but any suggestions would be very useful for me just to
compare different traditions of criticism.

Any suggestions, comments, links to Internet resourses would be
greatly appreciated. Please write me at silantev at sscadm.nsu.ru. I
will compile your suggestions and send them back to the list.

Sorry for possible cross-posting -- I have also forwarded this request
to the Narrative listserv.

Thanks in advance.

Igor Silantev

________________________________________

Igor Silantev
Novosibirsk State University

Pirogova 11, Novosibirsk, 630090, Russia
tel. +7 3832 397451; fax. +7 3832 303011
email silantev at sscadm.nsu.ru
web http://www.nsu.ru/ssc/siv/

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From ursula.doleschal at WU-WIEN.AC.AT  Tue May 22 12:54:57 2001
From: ursula.doleschal at WU-WIEN.AC.AT (Ursula Doleschal)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:54:57 +0200
Subject: vremja-den'gi
Message-ID: <TUE.22.MAY.2001.145457.0200.URSULA.DOLESCHAL@WUWIEN.AC.AT>

Dorogie kollegi!
Ja bylo napisala, chto vyrazhenie "vremja - den'gi" po-russki nel'zja schitat' frazeologizmom kak napr "time is money" ili ne,. "Zeit ist Geld". Potom vzgljanula v Internet i usomnilas' v svoem utverzhdenii. Teper' proshu vashi kommentarii po etomu povodu, a takzhe, kogda ljudi nachali tak govorit'.

Vasha Ursula Doleschal

a.o.Univ.-Prof. Dr. Ursula Doleschal
Inst. f. Slawische Sprachen, WU Wien
Rossauer Laende 23, A-1090 Wien
Tel.: ++43-1-31336-4115, Fax: 744
http://www.wu-wien.ac.at/wwwu/institute/slawisch/doleschal.htm

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From J.Dunn at SLAVONIC.ARTS.GLA.AC.UK  Tue May 22 14:13:59 2001
From: J.Dunn at SLAVONIC.ARTS.GLA.AC.UK (J.Dunn at SLAVONIC.ARTS.GLA.AC.UK)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:13:59 +0100
Subject: vremja-den'gi
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Vyrazhenie 'vremja - den'gi' mozhno najti v slovare M.I. Mixel'sona,
'Xodjachie i metkie slova', SPb, 1892 [?] [pereizd. M., 1994], str.43.

John Dunn.



>Dorogie kollegi!
>Ja bylo napisala, chto vyrazhenie "vremja - den'gi" po-russki nel'zja
>schitat' frazeologizmom kak napr "time is money" ili ne,. "Zeit ist Geld".
>Potom vzgljanula v Internet i usomnilas' v svoem utverzhdenii. Teper'
>proshu vashi kommentarii po etomu povodu, a takzhe, kogda ljudi nachali
>tak govorit'.
>
>Vasha Ursula Doleschal
>
>a.o.Univ.-Prof. Dr. Ursula Doleschal
>Inst. f. Slawische Sprachen, WU Wien
>Rossauer Laende 23, A-1090 Wien
>Tel.: ++43-1-31336-4115, Fax: 744
>http://www.wu-wien.ac.at/wwwu/institute/slawisch/doleschal.htm
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From ursula.doleschal at WU-WIEN.AC.AT  Tue May 22 14:26:34 2001
From: ursula.doleschal at WU-WIEN.AC.AT (Ursula Doleschal)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 16:26:34 +0200
Subject: vremja-den'gi
Message-ID: <TUE.22.MAY.2001.162634.0200.URSULA.DOLESCHAL@WUWIEN.AC.AT>

mda, nashla sejchas, spasibo, no ... v korpusah nigde
net, tak chto eto skoree krylatoe slovo, kotoroe ispol'zuetsja (ili
ispol'zovalos') kak citata? A teper' eto perehodit v russkij kul'turnyj fond
na ravnyh s vremja terpit, vremja letit? Ili net? Ja prosto v rechi ljudej
ne vstrechala, poetomu mne pokazalos' ne ochen' prochnym vyrazheniem ili ne
ochen' vrozhdennym. Kak dumaesh'?

Ursula

a.o.Univ.-Prof. Dr. Ursula Doleschal
Inst. f. Slawische Sprachen, WU Wien
Rossauer Laende 23, A-1090 Wien
Tel.: ++43-1-31336-4115, Fax: 744
http://www.wu-wien.ac.at/wwwu/institute/slawisch/doleschal.htm
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
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Betreff: Re: vremja-den'gi


> Vyrazhenie 'vremja - den'gi' mozhno najti v slovare M.I. Mixel'sona,
> 'Xodjachie i metkie slova', SPb, 1892 [?] [pereizd. M., 1994], str.43.
>
> John Dunn.
>
>
>
> >Dorogie kollegi!
> >Ja bylo napisala, chto vyrazhenie "vremja - den'gi" po-russki nel'zja
> >schitat' frazeologizmom kak napr "time is money" ili ne,. "Zeit ist
Geld".
> >Potom vzgljanula v Internet i usomnilas' v svoem utverzhdenii. Teper'
> >proshu vashi kommentarii po etomu povodu, a takzhe, kogda ljudi nachali
> >tak govorit'.
> >
> >Vasha Ursula Doleschal
> >
> >a.o.Univ.-Prof. Dr. Ursula Doleschal
> >Inst. f. Slawische Sprachen, WU Wien
> >Rossauer Laende 23, A-1090 Wien
> >Tel.: ++43-1-31336-4115, Fax: 744
> >http://www.wu-wien.ac.at/wwwu/institute/slawisch/doleschal.htm
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From rar at SLAVIC.UMASS.EDU  Tue May 22 14:35:07 2001
From: rar at SLAVIC.UMASS.EDU (Robert A. Rothstein)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 10:35:07 -0400
Subject: vremja-den'gi
Message-ID: <TUE.22.MAY.2001.103507.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

J.Dunn at SLAVONIC.ARTS.GLA.AC.UK wrote:

> Vyrazhenie 'vremja - den'gi' mozhno najti v slovare M.I. Mixel'sona,
> 'Xodjachie i metkie slova', SPb, 1892 [?] [pereizd. M., 1994], str.43.
>

        I u Tolstogo ("Anna Karenina", ch. 2, gl. 35): --A vremia -- den'gi, vy
zabyvaete eto, -- skazal polkovnik.

Tsitiruiu po knige Ashukinykh, "Krylatye slova" (2-e izd., Moskva, 1960, str.
115), gde aforizm pripisyvaetsia "amerikanskomu uchenomu i politicheskomu
deiateliu Veniaminu Franklinu", t.e., avtory ssylaiutsia na ego sochinenie
"Sovet molodomu kuptsu" (1748). Tsitata iz "Anny Kareniny" privoditsia takzhe v
drugoi knige Mikhel'sona, "Russkaia mysl' i rech'", SPb., 1912, pereizd. M.,
1994, t. 1, str. 126.

            Bob Rothstein

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From jebrown at HAWAII.EDU  Tue May 22 17:13:19 2001
From: jebrown at HAWAII.EDU (James E Brown)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 07:13:19 -1000
Subject: Ticket requirements for entering Russia
In-Reply-To: <16615.010522@sscadm.nsu.ru>
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I recently wrote the Russian consulate about ticket requirements for
entering Russia.  I received the answer that one only needs to present a
roundtrip  ticket to get a transit visa but this was not my concern.  I
wanted to know if you need to have a roundtrip ticket in hand when
entering Russia. Before, when I went to Russia it was always for a short
time and I always had a roundtrip ticket. Now I'm going for a longer time
and I don't know the exact day that I want to return which makes getting a
roundtrip ticket difficult. Can anyone give me any information on this?

:> James E. Brown
University of Hawaii

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From renee at ALINGA.COM  Tue May 22 18:14:54 2001
From: renee at ALINGA.COM (Renee Stillings)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 14:14:54 -0400
Subject: Ticket requirements for entering Russia
Message-ID: <TUE.22.MAY.2001.141454.0400.RENEE@ALINGA.COM>

We send dozens of students to Russia each year and have yet to have anyone
inquire at the consulate or the border about tickets whatsoever--interpret
that as they don't care what you have in hand. Only on rare occasion have
the authorities in Irkutsk been fussy and demanded to see a roundtrip ticket
before issuing the visa support, but that I imagine is just locals flexing
their muscles from time to time.

-----Original Message-----
From: James E Brown <jebrown at HAWAII.EDU>
To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU <SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 1:14 PM
Subject: Ticket requirements for entering Russia


>I recently wrote the Russian consulate about ticket requirements for
>entering Russia.  I received the answer that one only needs to present a
>roundtrip  ticket to get a transit visa but this was not my concern.  I
>wanted to know if you need to have a roundtrip ticket in hand when
>entering Russia. Before, when I went to Russia it was always for a short
>time and I always had a roundtrip ticket. Now I'm going for a longer time
>and I don't know the exact day that I want to return which makes getting a
>roundtrip ticket difficult. Can anyone give me any information on this?
>
>:> James E. Brown
>University of Hawaii
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From yuri_kuznetsov at MAIL.RU  Tue May 22 20:28:57 2001
From: yuri_kuznetsov at MAIL.RU (YuriK)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 00:28:57 +0400
Subject: vremja-den'gi
Message-ID: <WED.23.MAY.2001.002857.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

> Vyrazhenie 'vremja - den'gi' mozhno najti v slovare M.I. Mixel'sona,
> 'Xodjachie i metkie slova', SPb, 1892 [?] [pereizd. M., 1994], str.43.
> 

"vrem'a - den'gi" v "Slovar'e russkoj frazeologiji" dajotsa kak aforizm - kal'ka s anglijskogo... Tam zhe privoditsa dovol'no bol'shaja bibliografija k nemu [A.K.Birih, V.M.Mokijenko, L.I.Stepanova. Slovar' russkoj frazeologiji. Istoriko-etimologicheskij spravochnik. - SPb., Folio-Press, 1998. str.102]

Yury Kuznetsov
St.Petersburg State Univ.
yurik at jk4794.spb.edu
yuri_kuznetsov at mail.ru





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From steffi at ANA.CH  Thu May 24 11:52:56 2001
From: steffi at ANA.CH (Steffi)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:52:56 +0200
Subject: Bella Akhmadulina - Andrej Smirnov
Message-ID: <THU.24.MAY.2001.135256.0200.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear members
Does anybody know, who is Andrej Smirnov, to whom Bella Akhmadulina
dedicated her poem "Noch" (Night)?
Is there a special reason, why she dedicated the poem to him?
Thanks a lot for your help.
Stefanie Jud

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From svitlana at TUCOWS.COM  Thu May 24 13:30:47 2001
From: svitlana at TUCOWS.COM (Svitlana Kobets)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 09:30:47 -0400
Subject: CAS conference in Quebec City
Message-ID: <THU.24.MAY.2001.093047.0400.SVITLANA@TUCOWS.COM>

Dear Natalia,

I got quite sick and won't be able to come to Quebec City. Tough luck, I was
looking forward to this trip so much! I guess at this point I will have to
contact Prof. Reid and see if I should at least send my paper.

I wanted to thank you very much for bringing my attention to Tuptalo issue.
Our short discussion brought me to my senses and I saw that I could not
consider that version of St. Andrew's Life at all. It was a very timely,
realization, because I had a chance to remove all the inappropriate stuff
from my dissertation. I really hoped to tell you all about it, but
unfortunately I am not coming to Quebec City.

Enjoy Quebec City and the Conference,
Best,
Svitlana

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From rakitya at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU  Thu May 24 14:30:28 2001
From: rakitya at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU (Anna Rakityanskaya)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 09:30:28 -0500
Subject: Bella Akhmadulina - Andrej Smirnov
In-Reply-To: <000901c0e448$13677760$1b830fc3@scenic>
Message-ID: <THU.24.MAY.2001.093028.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

The most famous Andrei Smirnov is a film director ("Osen'", "Belorusskii
vokzal") and actor ("Dnevnik ego zheny" - Bunin). Maybe there are others,
but check this one out first.

Anna Rakityanskaya
University of Texas at Austin



At 01:52 PM 5/24/01 +0200, you wrote:
>Dear members
>Does anybody know, who is Andrej Smirnov, to whom Bella Akhmadulina
>dedicated her poem "Noch" (Night)?
>Is there a special reason, why she dedicated the poem to him?
>Thanks a lot for your help.
>Stefanie Jud
>
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From mdenner at STETSON.EDU  Thu May 24 14:40:38 2001
From: mdenner at STETSON.EDU (Michael Denner)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 10:40:38 -0400
Subject: Bella Akhmadulina - Andrej Smirnov
In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010524092830.00acdc20@mail.utexas.edu>
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He was also a famous hockey player, but I doubt Akhmadulina had that Andreij
Smirnov in mind.

>From megabook.ru, which has a fantastic encyclopedia of film:

СМИРНОВ Андрей Сергеевич

СМИРНОВ Андрей Сергеевич (р. 1941), российский кинорежиссер, драматург. Сын
С. С. Смирнова (писателя). Фильмы: <Белорусский вокзал> (1971), <Осень>
(1975), <Верой и правдой> (1980) и др. Выступает как сценарист, драматург
(<Родненькие мои>, Московский театр сатиры, 1985), актер (<Чернов/ Chernov>,
1990; <Мечты идиота>, 1993; <Мания Жизели>, 1995 и др.


<|><|><|><|><|><|><|>
Michael A. Denner
Russian Studies Department
Campus Unit 8361
Stetson University
DeLand, FL 32720
904.822.7265

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From paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM  Thu May 24 15:03:56 2001
From: paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM (Paul B. Gallagher)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 11:03:56 -0400
Subject: Bella Akhmadulina - Andrej Smirnov
Message-ID: <THU.24.MAY.2001.110356.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Two hits on <http://www.nasledie.ru/pers/licaross/>:

СМИРНОВ Андрей Павлович
президент Российской ассоциации индустрии спортивных товаров (РАИСТ);
родился в 1953 г.; имеет высшее юридическое и физкультурное образование;
работал директором яхт-клуба "Труд", генеральным директором
"Росспортторга"; был начальником управления по организации и проведению
спортивных мероприятий Государственного комитета РФ по физической
культуре и туризму; вице-президент Федерации горнолыжного спорта и
сноуборда России; член Всемирной федерации индустрии спортивных товаров;
мастер спорта по парусному спорту; Заслуженный тренер РФ.

СМИРНОВ Андрей Сергеевич
режиссер, киносценарист; родился 12 марта 1941 г.; окончил ВГИК в 1962
г.; работал на киностудии "Мосфильм"; режиссер фильмов "Пядь земли" и
"Шуточка" (оба совместно с Б.Яшиным), "Чужая боль", "Ангел",
"Белорусский вокзал", "Осень", "Верой и правдой"; автор сценариев и
пьес: "Осень", "Сентиментальное путешествие на картошку", "Родненькие
мои" и др.; снимался в фильмах "Идущий следом", "Чернов. Сhеrnоv"
(премия за лучшую мужскую роль на кинофестивале в Карловых Варах в 1990
г.), "Мечты идиота", "Мания Жизели" и др.; в марте 1994 г. на сцене
МХАТа им.А.П.Чехова поставил спектакль "Ужин"; в мае 1997 г. в театре
"Комеди Франсез" состоялась премьера его спектакля "Месяц в деревне",
Смирнов стал третьим русским режиссером (после Николая Акимова и
Анатолия Васильева), осуществившим постановку в этом театре.

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From elenakh at RCCD.CC.CA.US  Thu May 24 19:26:13 2001
From: elenakh at RCCD.CC.CA.US (Elena Kobzeva)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 12:26:13 -0700
Subject: Russian textoob with CD-Rom to accompany
Message-ID: <THU.24.MAY.2001.122613.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear colleagues,

Do you know which Russian textbook (for Russian 1, 2) comes with CD-ROM
and/or the  video to accompany?
Please reply off list.
Thank you.
Elena Kobzeva-Herzog
Assistant Professor
Spanish/Russian
elenakh at rccd.cc.ca.us

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From wstarr at ABACUSTAX.NET  Thu May 24 20:45:52 2001
From: wstarr at ABACUSTAX.NET (C. Will Starr, EA)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:45:52 -0700
Subject: The Russian Review
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Yes, I want a sample copy.

Will
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From vandusen at ACTR.ORG  Thu May 24 20:54:57 2001
From: vandusen at ACTR.ORG (Irina VanDusen)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:54:57 -0400
Subject: Russian textoob with CD-Rom to accompany
Message-ID: <THU.24.MAY.2001.165457.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Russian Stage 1: Live from Moscow
Russian Stage 2: Welcome back

Both textbooks are accompanied by video. Stage 1 package also offers CD-ROM.

Available through Kendall Hunt Publishing:
1-800-228-0810

Irina Van Dusen, Publications Manager
American Councils: ACTR/ACCELS
1776 Massachusetts Ave, NW, Suite 700
Washington, DC  20036
tel:  (202) 833-7522
fax:  (202) 833-7523
vandusen at actr.org

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From fruman at FAS.HARVARD.EDU  Thu May 24 22:04:35 2001
From: fruman at FAS.HARVARD.EDU (Ekateryna Fruman)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 18:04:35 -0400
Subject: Russian textoob with CD-Rom to accompany
In-Reply-To: <014501c0e487$6788a460$b30245cc@rccd.cc.ca.us>
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Russian Alive! by Samuel Cioran, Published by Ardis had accompanying video
and audio exercizes.

Kate Fruman
On Thu, 24 May 2001, Elena Kobzeva wrote:

> Dear colleagues,
>
> Do you know which Russian textbook (for Russian 1, 2) comes with CD-ROM
> and/or the  video to accompany?
> Please reply off list.
> Thank you.
> Elena Kobzeva-Herzog
> Assistant Professor
> Spanish/Russian
> elenakh at rccd.cc.ca.us
>
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From anthony.j.vanchu1 at JSC.NASA.GOV  Thu May 24 22:29:57 2001
From: anthony.j.vanchu1 at JSC.NASA.GOV (VANCHU, ANTHONY J. (JSC-AH) (TTI))
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 17:29:57 -0500
Subject: Russian textoob with CD-Rom to accompany
Message-ID: <THU.24.MAY.2001.172957.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Russian Alive! also has 2 CD-Roms that accompany the komplekt.

Dr. Anthony Vanchu
Director
JSC Language Education Center
TTI/JLEC
NASA Johnson Space Center
(281) 483-0644


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Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 5:05 PM
To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Re: Russian textoob with CD-Rom to accompany


Russian Alive! by Samuel Cioran, Published by Ardis had accompanying video
and audio exercizes.

Kate Fruman
On Thu, 24 May 2001, Elena Kobzeva wrote:

> Dear colleagues,
>
> Do you know which Russian textbook (for Russian 1, 2) comes with CD-ROM
> and/or the  video to accompany?
> Please reply off list.
> Thank you.
> Elena Kobzeva-Herzog
> Assistant Professor
> Spanish/Russian
> elenakh at rccd.cc.ca.us
>
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From glebov at RCI.RUTGERS.EDU  Fri May 25 04:55:27 2001
From: glebov at RCI.RUTGERS.EDU (Serguei Glebov)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 00:55:27 -0400
Subject: TOC Ab Imperio 1-2/2001- Imperial Mythologies
Message-ID: <FRI.25.MAY.2001.005527.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear friends,

we are glad to announce the publication of the first two issues of Ab
Imperio Quarterly in 2001. Focused on "Imperial Mythologies", this double
issue as usually features translations and original publications.

Ab Imperio Quarterly is an international journal dedicated to the studies of
Russia as empire, nationalism and nationalities in the post-Soviet realm.
Edited by Russian scholars who simultaneously hold Western degrees, Ab
Imperio is designed as an international forum that will provide ground for
communication between academics both in the region and internationally.

Ab Imperio welcomes articles, essays and book reviews. If you are interested
in submitting an article, please, contact one of the editors.

Information on subscription and contacts can be found on Ab Imperio's web
site at http://aimag.knet.ru
Future thematic issues are also listed at
http://aimag.knet.ru/cgi-bin/aishow.pl?idlang=1&state=news_en

Please, note that access to all issues published in 2000 is now FREE at

http://aimag.knet.ru


Working on the issue devoted to "Imperial Mythologies," we discovered that
it is precisely this problem that attracts much of interest of many Russian
and Western scholars. Nowadays it seems virtually inconceivable to address
the problem of empire without studying the language of empire's
self-perception, the construction of imperial power, relationship between
imperial and regional identity, the mapping of the external frontier of the
empire and internal boundaries within imperial territory, the "imagining" of
the empire's past by the historical profession, conscious about mythmaking
ideologues, writers, poets, and even by children in their childhood memoirs.

Currently, we witness the process of mythologization of not only the
pre-Revolutionary Russian history. The recent Soviet empire is gradually
becoming a myth. In this situation the editors of Ab Imperio legitimately
expected the flow of valued contributions to the issue specifically focused
on "Imperial Mythologies." But our expectations were greatly surpassed by
the number of authors who offered articles for publication. Despite rigorous
criteria of review and selection process, the volume grew rather thick. Its
materials range from the period of Kievan Rus' to the contemporary Russian
history and expose multiple approaches to the topic. The thickness of the
issue certainly reflects the present day research interest in empire as a
self-reflecting polity. Instead of artificially cutting down the volume to
the "normal size" we decided to make a double issue on "Imperial
 Mythologies" to preserve the variety of insightful and deep accounts of
that phenomenon in the Russian case.

Editors of Ab Imperio:
I. Gerasimov
S. Glebov
A. Kaplunovski
M. Mogilner
A. Semeyonov

Contents:


Editorial
Editors
    To the Reader

Methodology and Theory
Ronald Grigor Suny
    The Empire Strikes Out: Imperial Russia, "National" Identity, and
Theories of Empire

Zenon Kohut
    Origins of the Unity Paradigm: Ukraine and the Construction of Russian
National History (1620s-1860s)

History
Andrei Korenevskii
    Who and When "Invented" the Theory "Moscow, The Third Rome"?

Judith E. Kalb
    Merezhkovskii's Third Rome: Imperial Visions and Christian Dreams

Fritiof Benjamin Schenk
    Political Myth and Collective Identity: The Alexander Nevskii Myth in
Russian History (1263-1998)

Andrei Skorobogatov
    The Semiotics of Paul I' Authority

Ilya Vinkovetsky
    Circumnavigation, Empire, Modernity, Race: The Impact of Round-The-World
Voyages on Russia's Imperial Consciousness

David Schimmelpenninck van der Oye
    Ideologies of Empire in Imperial Russia

Mikhail Dolbilov
    The Cultural Idiom of Russia's Revival as a Factor of Imperial Policy in
the Lithuanian-Belorussian Region in 1863-1865

Chris J. Chulos
    In Praise of the Local: Post-Emancipation Authors of the Provincial
Press and Celebrations of the Russian Empire

Svetlana Malysheva
    The Myth of the 1917 Revolution: The First Soviet State Project

Archive
Andrei Skorobogatov
    Archival Collection of Historian D. V. Odinets in the Manuscripts and
Rare Books Devision of the Kazan University's N. I. Lobachevskii Research
Library

>>From the Editors
    Preface to the Publication

Dmitrii Odinets
    The National Question

Sociology and Political Science
Andrei Tuzikov
    Put in a Word for the "Russian Idea" in English

The ABC of Nationalism
Alexander Semeyonov
    Interview with Mark von Hagen and Richard Wortman on the Problem of a
New Curriculum in Russian History

The Newest Mythologies
James Casteel
    The "Eastern Jew" as a Site of Memory in Interwar German-Jewish Travel
Accounts

Alla Sal'nikova
    Grandchildren of the Soviet Empire: Schoolchildren Compositions on the
Topic "I Myself, My Family, and My Country in the 1990s"

Reviews and Bibliography
Igor' Martyniuk
    Behind the Bars of Slavophilism: Nicholas Danilevsky - Shpenglerianist.
Cartesianist.

Ghenadie Mardari
    Igor Casu. Nationality Policy in Soviet Moldova: 1944-1989. Chisinau,
Moldova: Cartdidact, 2000. 214 p. Conclusions in Romanian, English and
Russian. Bibliographical references. Index.

Mariia Novak
    Iiaay Iieuoa. Iauanoaaiii-iieeoe?aneee e eeoa?aoo?iue a?a-iany?iee.
Ecaaaony Iaoeiiaeuiie aeaeeioaeie i?e oeiainiaie iiaaa??ea Ieienoa?noaa
eoeuoo?u e iaoeiiaeuiiai ianeaaey ?anioaeeee Iieuoa. Aa?oaaa, 2000. ?? 2-10.

Serguei Glebov
    Jeremy Smith, The Bolsheviks and the National Question, 1917-23 (New
York: St. Martin's Press, 1999), xvii, 281 p. map; Series: Studies in Russia
and Eastern Europe.

Vera Dubina
    A. I. Aaeoaa. Nii?u i noauaao ?innee: I. ?. Aaieeaaneee e aai eieaa
"?inney e Aa?iia". Iineaa: Yaeoi?eae O?NN, 1999.

Nataliia Glebova
    V dvizhenii dobrovol'nom i vynuzhdennom. Postsovetskie migratsii v
Evrazii / Edited by Anatolii Viatkin, Natalia Kosmarskaia, Sergei Panarin.
Moscow: Natalis, 1999. 319 p. List of authors, name index, geographical
index, summaries in English.

Mariia Kazakova
    Enoi?ey ?ineeneie iiia?oee: iiaiey e ioaiee. NIa.: Ianoi?, 2000. 193 n.

Mikhail Leonov
    Ianaeaiea ?innee a OO aaea. Enoi?e?aneea i?a?ee. A 3-o o. Oii 1.
1900-1939. Iineaa: ?INNIYI, 2000. 463 n.

Serguei Glebov
    Natsionalism. Polemika 1909-1917/ Antology edited by M. Kolerov. Moscow:
Dom Intellektual'noi Knigi, 2000. 238 p. Notes.

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From Mogens.Jensen at SKOLEKOM.DK  Fri May 25 07:16:58 2001
From: Mogens.Jensen at SKOLEKOM.DK (Mogens Jensen)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 09:16:58 +0200
Subject: Russian textoob with CD-Rom to accompany
In-Reply-To: <014501c0e487$6788a460$b30245cc@rccd.cc.ca.us>
Message-ID: <FRI.25.MAY.2001.091658.0200.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I am glad to inform you, that you may find a highly praised book/cd in
Denmark, made by danish slavists (and for danish speaking people! - we are
5 mio!) "Meeting in Petersborg" (two books + cd) has a story, lots of
pictures and a cd with glossary, both in text and sound (male & female).
Sentences og the whole text can be heard. Including lots of exercises.
Optional are two cds with all texts in very good quality.
With best regards, Mogens Jensen


SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU writes:
>Dear colleagues,
>
>Do you know which Russian textbook (for Russian 1, 2) comes with CD-ROM
>and/or the  video to accompany?
>Please reply off list.
>Thank you.
>Elena Kobzeva-Herzog
>Assistant Professor
>Spanish/Russian
>elenakh at rccd.cc.ca.us
>
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From keyman at LYCOS.COM  Fri May 25 07:29:26 2001
From: keyman at LYCOS.COM (Michael Molin)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 00:29:26 -0700
Subject: URL: TransHub - The Encyclopedia of Terminology
Message-ID: <FRI.25.MAY.2001.002926.0700.>

Hi from LANTRA mailing list!

I'd like to invite you to my site
http://transhub.cjb.net/
Welcome all!

Best regards,
Michael






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From katkovski at OSI.HU  Fri May 25 10:13:56 2001
From: katkovski at OSI.HU (Uladzimir Katkouski)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:13:56 +0200
Subject: URL: TransHub - The Encyclopedia of Terminology
Message-ID: <FRI.25.MAY.2001.121356.0200.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

It seems to be a nice resource but design is very confusing. First I
couldn't understand which box to use for my search term and then I couldn't
find the search button. I suppose other users had similar experience. I
think you just need to redesign the visual interface, because it's quite
counter-intuitive.

Regards,
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From: Michael Molin <keyman at LYCOS.COM>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 9:29 AM
Subject: URL: TransHub - The Encyclopedia of Terminology


> Hi from LANTRA mailing list!
>
> I'd like to invite you to my site
> http://transhub.cjb.net/
> Welcome all!
>
> Best regards,
> Michael

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From burke at FAS.HARVARD.EDU  Sat May 26 00:40:46 2001
From: burke at FAS.HARVARD.EDU (Mary Burke)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 20:40:46 -0400
Subject: Job Advertisement
Message-ID: <FRI.25.MAY.2001.204046.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

PROFESSIONAL POSITION

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Reporting to the Head of the Slavic Division, the Slavic Librarian is
responsible for cataloging, collection development, acquisitions and
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Polish and Ukrainian. Catalogs in HOLLIS, Harvard's online bibliographic
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From glebov at RCI.RUTGERS.EDU  Sat May 26 04:23:24 2001
From: glebov at RCI.RUTGERS.EDU (Serguei Glebov)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 00:23:24 -0400
Subject: Tsvetaeva's poem
Message-ID: <SAT.26.MAY.2001.002324.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear friends,

I am currently working on the history of the Eurasianist movement in the 1920s-1930s and I have encountered a link that I feel I need more specialized expertize to uncover.
In the papers of Petr Nikolaevich Savitsky, one of the founders of the movement, I found a poem by Marina Tsvetaeva. The poem, called "Petru", was re-typed by Savitsky himself and he dated it by 1921. According to the edition of Tsvetaeva's poemes that I am using (Marina Tsvetaeva, Stikhotvorenia i poemy, ed. by Alexander Sumerkin and Victoria Schweitzer, Russica Publishers, 1982), this poem was written in August 1920. 

The poem reads as a clue to the mood of the Eurasianist movement and I would be very much interested in learning more about anything pertaining to the conditions in which it was written, the time period, any critical reactions. 

Any bibliographic suggestions and detailed or general comments will be greatly appreciated.

With best regards,

Serguei Glebov

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From thebaron at INTERACCESS.COM  Sat May 26 18:02:40 2001
From: thebaron at INTERACCESS.COM (baron chivrin)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 13:02:40 -0500
Subject: how to send/receive email in cyrillic
Message-ID: <SAT.26.MAY.2001.130240.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

dear seelangers,

when i send russian (cyrillic characters) email, it seems to work some
of the time, but often the recipient can't read what i have written. i
send it to myself as a test and it works fine. can someone help with the
proper format/encoding?

spasibo zaranee.

спасибо заранее. Вы это читаете?

baron chivrin

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From paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM  Sat May 26 18:04:54 2001
From: paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM (Paul B. Gallagher)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 14:04:54 -0400
Subject: how to send/receive email in cyrillic
Message-ID: <SAT.26.MAY.2001.140454.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

baron chivrin wrote:

> dear seelangers,
>
> when i send russian (cyrillic characters) email, it seems to work some
> of the time, but often the recipient can't read what i have written. i
> send it to myself as a test and it works fine. can someone help with the
> proper format/encoding?
>
> spasibo zaranee.
>
> спасибо заранее. Вы это читаете?

Looks fine from here.

You should be aware that AOL does not support Cyrillic, so nothing you
do will help with an AOL user. You have to send them attached files such
as Word or Excel, which they can then open outside of the AOL browser.

--
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--
Paul B. Gallagher
pbg translations, inc.
"Russian Translations That Read Like Originals"
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From thebaron at INTERACCESS.COM  Sat May 26 18:37:55 2001
From: thebaron at INTERACCESS.COM (baron chivrin)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 13:37:55 -0500
Subject: how to send/receive email in cyrillic
Message-ID: <SAT.26.MAY.2001.133755.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

thank you.

i neglected to say that i am using PCs windows 98 and am sending to russians
who are NOT on aol. nonetheless, they often can't read my emails. any clues.

"Paul B. Gallagher" wrote:

> baron chivrin wrote:
>
> > dear seelangers,
> >
> > when i send russian (cyrillic characters) email, it seems to work some
> > of the time, but often the recipient can't read what i have written. i
> > send it to myself as a test and it works fine. can someone help with the
> > proper format/encoding?
> >
> > spasibo zaranee.
> >
> > спасибо заранее. Вы это читаете?
>
> Looks fine from here.
>
> You should be aware that AOL does not support Cyrillic, so nothing you
> do will help with an AOL user. You have to send them attached files such
> as Word or Excel, which they can then open outside of the AOL browser.
>
> --
> War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left.
> --
> Paul B. Gallagher
> pbg translations, inc.
> "Russian Translations That Read Like Originals"
> http://pbg-translations.com
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From paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM  Sat May 26 18:33:35 2001
From: paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM (Paul B. Gallagher)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 14:33:35 -0400
Subject: URL: Russian dictionaries and encyclopedias on line
Message-ID: <SAT.26.MAY.2001.143335.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

<http://dic.academic.ru/misc/hist_dic.nsf/ListW>

Список:
 Современная энциклопедия
 Толковый словарь Даля
 Большой энциклопедический словарь
 Финансовый словарь
 Экономический словарь
 Англо-русский словарь финансовых терминов
 Словарь депозитарных терминов
 Исторический словарь

Spisok:
 Sovremennaya entsiklopediya
 Tolkovyy slovar' Dalya
 Bol'shoy entsiklopedicheskiy slovar'
 Finansovyy slovar'
 Ekonomicheskiy slovar'
 Anglo-russkiy slovar' finansovykh terminov
 Slovar' depozitarnykh terminov
 Istoricheskiy slovar'

Fair warning -- this is a rather slow site, not excruciatingly so, but
anyway...



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--
Paul B. Gallagher
pbg translations, inc.
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From paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM  Sat May 26 18:38:25 2001
From: paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM (Paul B. Gallagher)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 14:38:25 -0400
Subject: how to send/receive email in cyrillic
Message-ID: <SAT.26.MAY.2001.143825.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

baron chivrin wrote:

> thank you.
>
> i neglected to say that i am using PCs windows 98 and am sending to
> russians who are NOT on aol. nonetheless, they often can't read my
> emails. any clues.

It looks like you're doing your part, so without knowing what software
they're using and what their settings are, no, no clues. Sorry.

--
War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left.
--
Paul B. Gallagher
pbg translations, inc.
"Russian Translations That Read Like Originals"
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From stephenpearl at COMPUSERVE.COM  Sat May 26 19:20:54 2001
From: stephenpearl at COMPUSERVE.COM (Stephen Pearl)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 15:20:54 -0400
Subject: History of Slavonic languages
Message-ID: <SAT.26.MAY.2001.152054.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I would like to pass along a question from a friend : "Does anyone know of
any fun books/courses about the history of Slavonic languages?"  Thanks

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From dumanis at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU  Sat May 26 19:53:40 2001
From: dumanis at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU (Edward M Dumanis)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 15:53:40 -0400
Subject: how to send/receive email in cyrillic
In-Reply-To: <3B0FF821.B0F6627E@pbg-translations.com>
Message-ID: <SAT.26.MAY.2001.155340.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

On Sat, 26 May 2001, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

> baron chivrin wrote:
>
> > thank you.
> >
> > i neglected to say that i am using PCs windows 98 and am sending to
> > russians who are NOT on aol. nonetheless, they often can't read my
> > emails. any clues.
>
> It looks like you're doing your part, so without knowing what software
> they're using and what their settings are, no, no clues. Sorry.
>
>
Let me add my two cents to this discussion.
I experience this problem too often to leave it without attention.
So let me share with all of you my own ways of dealing with it.
I believe that the nature of the problem is in either
1) the e-mail utility of the recipient lacks any Cyrillic encoding
capabilities (e.g., AOL), or
2) it has Cyrillic encoding but limited only to the encodings
which do not include the encoding of the sender (e.g., earlier versions of
browsers that do not provide Unicode encoding), or
3) a bug in the software for the recipient's e-mail utility (e.g.,
Messenger in Netscape Communicator 4.5 and maybe some other versions)

Solutions for the recipient:
1) Even if you use AOL as your ISP (Internet Service Provider), it does
not prevent you to load (free of charge) the latest version of Netscape,
Internet Explorer/Outlook Express, or any other favorite browser of yours
that comes integrated with an e-mail utility. Install it on
your computer, and after you have been connected through your ISP,
minimize their browser (left click on the minus box at the right upper
corner of your window), and open the new browser, or just the e-mail
utility (e.g., Outlook Express), and use it to read your e-mail.
In case you cannot open your Inbox from your new installation, get
yourself a new (free) e-mail address on one of the popular/unpopular
e-mail sites (e.g., hotmail.com, yahoo.com, msn.com, netscape.net, and so
on) and forward all your unreadable e-mail to your new e-mail address
which will be accessible by your new e-mail utility, and use the latter to
read it.
2) Upgrade your browser/e-mail utility to the latest one.
3) It depends on the nature of the bug.
E.g., Netscape 4.5 Messenger confuses KOI-8 encoding with code page 1251.
However, I am aware of the 2 tricks to get around if you do not want to
use an alternative browser/e-mail utility to read your e-mail.
The first trick:
Just to go to "File," and "Save As," and save the message as a file. Then
open it using your browser, and choose the correct encoding from your
browser's encoding (character set) menu.
The second trick:
Choose Western encoding (ISO-8859-1) first. (Very important!)
Click "Reply," and only after that choose the correct encoding (Cyrillic
Windows-1251).
The text becomes legible.

Hope it will help.

Edward Dumanis <dumanis at acsu.buffalo.edu>
P.S. Beware of upgrading. It might lack the capabilities of your "tried
and true" software. Try to keep your legacy software available in case
your new stuff does not work as expected.

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From ggerhart at HOME.COM  Sat May 26 20:11:41 2001
From: ggerhart at HOME.COM (Genevra Gerhart)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 13:11:41 -0700
Subject: History of Slavonic languages
In-Reply-To: <200105261925.f4QJPFt02936@mx12-tx.mail.home.com>
Message-ID: <SAT.26.MAY.2001.131141.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Stephen asked: "Does anyone know of any fun books/courses about the history
of Slavonic languages?"

I say: By the time you get to the history of Slavonic languages, fun has had
its day.

Genevra Gerhart

http://www.members.home.net/ggerhart
New email address: ggerhart at home.com
206-329-0053

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From djloewen at STUDENTS.WISC.EDU  Sat May 26 19:24:10 2001
From: djloewen at STUDENTS.WISC.EDU (Donald Loewen)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 14:24:10 -0500
Subject: how to send/receive email in cyrillic
In-Reply-To: <3B0FF803.EDCA7F9B@interaccess.com>
Message-ID: <SAT.26.MAY.2001.142410.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

One problem could be the various encoding options.  I think that KOI-8 is 
still quite popular in Russia, so people will need to have a program that 
can switch encoding.  I saw one there (something about a Bat, I think) that 
could switch a message's encoding from a right-click menu option, and then 
saved the setting (KOI-8, etc.) with the message.  Otherwise they can just 
cut and paste the text into a word processor like Word (that works better 
than WordPerfect, at least in my experiments) and switch the font.  Usually 
something will work.  It can also depend on the e-mail software. I'm using 
Eudora 5 and still have occasional problems with Cyrillic.  If I open the 
message in Outlook Express, it usually works better.  (As I re-read your 
message, I see that you aren't necessarily sending the messages to Russia, 
where people seem generally very capable in solving these 
problems.)  Another option: open the text in a browser (like Internet 
Explorer), where encoding switches are simple.
Good luck,
Don


At 01:37 PM 5/26/01, you wrote:
>thank you.
>
>i neglected to say that i am using PCs windows 98 and am sending to russians
>who are NOT on aol. nonetheless, they often can't read my emails. any clues.
>
>"Paul B. Gallagher" wrote:
>
> > baron chivrin wrote:
> >
> > > dear seelangers,
> > >
> > > when i send russian (cyrillic characters) email, it seems to work some
> > > of the time, but often the recipient can't read what i have written. i
> > > send it to myself as a test and it works fine. can someone help with the
> > > proper format/encoding?
> > >
> > > spasibo zaranee.
> > >
> > > ÓÐÁÓÉÂÏ ÚÁÒÁÎÅÅ. ÷Ù ÜÔÏ ÞÉÔÁÅÔÅ?
> >
> > Looks fine from here.
> >
> > You should be aware that AOL does not support Cyrillic, so nothing you
> > do will help with an AOL user. You have to send them attached files such
> > as Word or Excel, which they can then open outside of the AOL browser.
> >
> > --
> > War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left.
> > --
> > Paul B. Gallagher
> > pbg translations, inc.
> > "Russian Translations That Read Like Originals"
> > http://pbg-translations.com
> >
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From dumanis at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU  Sat May 26 21:25:28 2001
From: dumanis at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU (Edward M Dumanis)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 17:25:28 -0400
Subject: how to send/receive email in cyrillic
In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20010526141615.00a6cdb0@students.wisc.edu>
Message-ID: <SAT.26.MAY.2001.172528.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

On Sat, 26 May 2001, Donald Loewen wrote:
.........
snip
........

> ...they can just
> cut and paste the text into a word processor like Word (that works better
> than WordPerfect, at least in my experiments) and switch the font.

It is not that one of them is better than the other (while WordPerfect is
certainly easier for fine tuning), but the problem is that they use
different encoding schemes for Cyrillic fonts, and they do not convert to
each other automatically.

Edward Dumanis <dumanis at acsu.buffalo.edu>

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From yamato at YT.CACHE.WASEDA.AC.JP  Sun May 27 00:53:31 2001
From: yamato at YT.CACHE.WASEDA.AC.JP (Yoshimasa Tsuji)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 09:53:31 +0900
Subject: how to send/receive email in cyrillic
In-Reply-To: <3B0FF803.EDCA7F9B@interaccess.com> (message from baron chivrin
 on Sat, 26 May 2001 13:37:55 -0500)
Message-ID: <SUN.27.MAY.2001.095331.0900.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Hello,
  You don't need to worry yourself at all since your letter is
perfectly formatted. Look, your e-mail says

       X-Accept-Language: en
       MIME-Version: 1.0
       Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r
       Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

One funny thing you have got here is that your language is
English but in Russian standard font set(tochno govorj, encoding).
But as X-Accept-Language is almost meaningless, that shouldn't matter.
(I don't write X-Accept-Language in my mail: have a look at mine).

There used to be many sites who did not like 8bit, allowing 7bit only.
So try 7bit, encoding your whole e-mail by base64 or any other
encapsulating method (the software will encode your 8bit Russian
characters into 7bit ASCII codes; and your recipient will decode
it back to Russian; all the intervening sites will relay ASCII
characters).

Your friend may be using a dated software (many Russians, particularly
in arts ("humanitarian") departments use Windows3.1 or earlier). In that
case write Russian in Latin characters rather than waste time guessing
what system your friend is in.

Cheers,
Tsuji

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From alexandra.leontieva at KRR.UIB.NO  Sun May 27 09:33:05 2001
From: alexandra.leontieva at KRR.UIB.NO (Alexandra N. Leontieva)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 11:33:05 +0200
Subject: e-mail in Cyrillic
Message-ID: <SUN.27.MAY.2001.113305.0200.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Hello,

KOI-8 is the basic e-mail format used for Russian e-mails and newsgroups.
Still, illegible messages do arrive. When all else fails, I use Artemii
Lebedev's e-mail decoder:

http://www.design.ru/free/decoder/

Just copy the illegible text, paste it in the window, and press "Decode."

Sending an attached document in Word, or, even better, RTF-format, seems to
work most of the time (RTF being cross-platform).

Outlook Express might not be the best e-mail software program, but it works
best on my Mac. Forwarding unreadable messages that have already been
opened, to another e-mail address of the hotmail.com type, has failed a few
times in my case.

*********************************************
Alexandra N. Leontieva
Research Fellow, Dept. of Russian Studies
University of Bergen Norway

*********************************************

This email may contain confidential or copyright information and is intended
for the addressee only.  If you are not the intended recipient you should
not use or copy it but inform the sender immediately.

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From colkitto at SPRINT.CA  Sun May 27 12:15:26 2001
From: colkitto at SPRINT.CA (Robert Orr)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 08:15:26 -0400
Subject: URL: Russian dictionaries and encyclopedias on line
Message-ID: <SUN.27.MAY.2001.081526.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Would there be a similar URL for Ukrainain dictionaries?

Please reply off-list.  Thanks,

Robert Orr

><http://dic.academic.ru/misc/hist_dic.nsf/ListW>
>
>Список:
> Современная энциклопедия
> Толковый словарь Даля
> Большой энциклопедический словарь
> Финансовый словарь
> Экономический словарь
> Англо-русский словарь финансовых терминов
> Словарь депозитарных терминов
> Исторический словарь
>
>Spisok:
> Sovremennaya entsiklopediya
> Tolkovyy slovar' Dalya
> Bol'shoy entsiklopedicheskiy slovar'
> Finansovyy slovar'
> Ekonomicheskiy slovar'
> Anglo-russkiy slovar' finansovykh terminov
> Slovar' depozitarnykh terminov
> Istoricheskiy slovar'
>
>Fair warning -- this is a rather slow site, not excruciatingly so, but
>anyway...
>
>
>
>--
>War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left.
>--
>Paul B. Gallagher
>pbg translations, inc.
>"Russian Translations That Read Like Originals"
>http://pbg-translations.com
>
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From katkovski at OSI.HU  Sun May 27 15:36:52 2001
From: katkovski at OSI.HU (Uladzimir Katkouski)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 17:36:52 +0200
Subject: Ukrainian (was Russian dictionaries and encyclopedias on line)
Message-ID: <SUN.27.MAY.2001.173652.0200.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

> Would there be a similar URL for Ukrainain dictionaries?

http://vesna.sammit.kiev.ua/ - Anhielska-bielaruska-ukrainska-rasiejski
tlumaczalny slounik

Z pavahaj,
U.K.

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From elenakh at RCCD.CC.CA.US  Sun May 27 17:41:02 2001
From: elenakh at RCCD.CC.CA.US (Yelena Kobzeva)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 10:41:02 -0700
Subject: Russian 1, 2 dictionary on line?
Message-ID: <SUN.27.MAY.2001.104102.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear colleagues,
Thank you for all your comments and recommendations regarding Russian
textbook with CD-ROM and /or Video.

I also have one more question.
Could you please recommend any Russian-English and English-Russian
Dictionary on-line for Russian 1,2?
Thank you in advance for all your responses. They are very helpful.

Elena Kobzeva-Herzog
Assistant Professor
Spanish/Russian
elenakh at rccd.cc.c.ca.us
(909) 222-8287

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From esjogren at NC.RR.COM  Sun May 27 19:11:35 2001
From: esjogren at NC.RR.COM (Ernie Sjogren)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 15:11:35 -0400
Subject: Russian 1, 2 dictionary on line?
Message-ID: <SUN.27.MAY.2001.151135.0400.SJOGREEK@BIGFOOT.COM>

Dear Professor Kobzeva-Herzog:

These online dictionaries are very useful:

http://www.infoart.ru/misc/dict/multilex/index.htm

    (choose the first dictionary listed)

http://mega.km.ru/ALPHABYTE

http://www.multilex.ru/online.htm

The first two do not indicate accent (ictus), unfortunately.  The
third indicates accent by highlighting the vowel in an alternate
color; however, using it might be confusing for beginning students, as
it "defines" a word by listing all entries in its database in which
that word occurs, which can often be too much of a good thing.

The first two pages listed above belong to mega-sites that are packed
with useful information and links that you may wish to examine.

The marvelous Sher's Russian Index has a very large list of
dictionaries:

http://www.websher.net/inx/LANGUAGE_/index.html

You will find many dictionaries listed in the "slovar'" categories on
list.ru

http://www.list.ru/catalog/10261.html

I hope this helps you.

Regards,

Ernie Sjogren


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Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 1:41 PM
Subject: Russian 1, 2 dictionary on line?


> Dear colleagues,
> Thank you for all your comments and recommendations regarding
Russian
> textbook with CD-ROM and /or Video.
>
> I also have one more question.
> Could you please recommend any Russian-English and English-Russian
> Dictionary on-line for Russian 1,2?
> Thank you in advance for all your responses. They are very helpful.
>
> Elena Kobzeva-Herzog
> Assistant Professor
> Spanish/Russian
> elenakh at rccd.cc.c.ca.us
> (909) 222-8287
>
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From ElisabethG at YUCOM.BE  Mon May 28 15:51:36 2001
From: ElisabethG at YUCOM.BE (Elisabeth Ghysels)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 17:51:36 +0200
Subject: Aleksandr Kushner
In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.20010518085029.006a196c@students.wisc.edu>
Message-ID: <MON.28.MAY.2001.175136.0200.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear David,
thank you so much for keeping me on the right way in reading the poems of
Aleksandr Kushner!
Elisabeth

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list
[mailto:SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]Namens David Vernikov
Verzonden: vrijdag 18 mei 2001 15:50
Aan: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Onderwerp: Re: Aleksandr Kushner


Dear Elizabeth,

At 12:26 PM 5/18/01 +0200, you wrote:
>Reading Kushners poem 'Pod zanaves', one tends to see this curtain as the
>Iron Curtain, which separates him from another world, especially because in
>the second stanza appears the world 'iron'. But our Russian Literature
>professor rejected fully this interpretation, seeing this poem merely as a
>love poem, a farewell to the beloved one.

Your professor seems to be absolutely right.  "Pod zanaves" is a standard
idiom meaning "at the end of a performance" and this reading is fully
supported by the development of the metaphor of life as a play that
follows.  In this sense "zanaves" indicates the end of life and does
separate two worlds but in the metaphysical sence, not a political one.
Furthermore, one suspects that the phrase "zheleznyi zanaves" is not at all
a part of Kushner's poetic vocabulary, since the civic theme is not
something ever directly explored by him.

Best,
David Vernikov
UW-Madison

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From sher07 at MINDSPRING.COM  Mon May 28 11:54:03 2001
From: sher07 at MINDSPRING.COM (Benjamin Sher)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 06:54:03 -0500
Subject: Copyright Query: English to Russian translation
Message-ID: <MON.28.MAY.2001.065403.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear friends:

My wife, who is a native of Moscow, is considering translating fiction from
English to Russian. She does not as yet have a specific book in mind.
However, we would appreciate finding out what the copyright regulations are.
We know that there are no copyright issues involved in translating pre-1973
books published in the Soviet Union into English. However, we would like to
know the situation in reverse: what are the regulations, restrictions, etc.,
that pertain to the translating  of English-language books published in the
United States, England, Canada, etc., into Russian? Is there a similar
pre-1973 cut-off date? We would appreciate hearing from someone who has had
to deal with this issue in his or her professional work.

Thank you so much.

Benjamin and Anna
--
Sher's Russian Web
http://www.websher.net
Benjamin and Anna Sher
sher07 at mindspring.com

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From jpeschio at UMICH.EDU  Tue May 29 00:36:23 2001
From: jpeschio at UMICH.EDU (Joseph Peschio)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 20:36:23 -0400
Subject: Copyright Query: English to Russian translation
In-Reply-To: <01052806540301.04737@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <MON.28.MAY.2001.203623.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

At 06:54 AM 5/28/01 -0500, you wrote:

"what are the regulations, restrictions, etc.,
that pertain to the translating  of English-language books published in the
United States, England, Canada, etc., into Russian? Is there a similar
pre-1973 cut-off date?"

The 1973 law applies to books published in America and Britain as well;
i.e., if a book was published before 1973 anywhere, one isn't required to
purchase rights in order to publish it in the Russian Federation.  If it
was published after 1973, you have to get in touch with the agent that
handles the particular author (or, if deceased, his/her estate) and
negotiate a contract for publishing rights.  Needless to say, these rights
go for comparatively miniscule sums given the state of the Russian book
market.  To find out what agent handles a given author, just contact
his/her American, Canadian, Australian or British publisher.  Most major
Western literary agencies now have representatives in Moscow, but one must
be VERY careful to verify that the Russian office represents who it says it
does.  Naturally, this is all the Russian publisher's headache, not yours
(unless you're planning on publishing it yourselves).  Best of luck, Joe

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From sher07 at MINDSPRING.COM  Mon May 28 15:08:06 2001
From: sher07 at MINDSPRING.COM (Benjamin Sher)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 10:08:06 -0500
Subject: Copyright Query: English to Russian
In-Reply-To: <NDBBICAECLMOBBHNIGOOAEPACIAA.ggerhart@home.com>
Message-ID: <MON.28.MAY.2001.100806.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear friends:

My thanks to Joseph Peschio and Genevra Gerhart for their explanation of
copyright issues as they pertain to translating into Russian of books
published in the United States and Britain.

Unfortunately, the two accounts are contradictory: Mr. Peschio believes that
pre-1973 books published in the United States and Britain do not require
copyright clearance (as is the case with pre-1973 books published in the
Soviet Union), but Ms. Gerhart thinks otherwise.

Could someone please settle this issue for us?

Does an English-to-Russian translator need copyright clearance for books
published in the United States and Britian prior to 1973?

Thank you so kindly.

Benjamin

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From ralph.cleminson at PORT.AC.UK  Tue May 29 08:54:13 2001
From: ralph.cleminson at PORT.AC.UK (Ralph Cleminson)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:54:13 +0100
Subject: Copyright Query: English to Russian
In-Reply-To: <01052810080602.01906@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <TUE.29.MAY.2001.095413.0100.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

> Could someone please settle this issue for us?
>
> Does an English-to-Russian translator need copyright clearance for
> books published in the United States and Britian prior to 1973?
>
Under European law, an original piece of work is generally protected
for 70 years after the death of its creator.  I believe that a similar law
applies in the United States. The probable answer to your question,
therefore, is that you do need clearance unless the book was published
before 1931 AND its author died before that date.  However, a case of
copyright infringement occurs where the material is being used and a
potential breach of copyright occurs, not where the material was
created.  It is therefore necessary to consult the laws of the country in
which the translation is being made, published and distributed.  The
date of 1973 is completely irrelevant to the United States and Britain,
being the date when the Soviet Union adhered to the Berne Convention
on Copyright.

For matters relating to United States copyright law you can consult
http://www.loc.gov/copyright/.


R.M.Cleminson,
Professor of Slavonic Studies,
University of Portsmouth,
Park Building,
King Henry I Street,
Portsmouth PO1 2DZ
tel. +44 23 92 846143, fax: +44 23 92 846040

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From J.Dunn at SLAVONIC.ARTS.GLA.AC.UK  Tue May 29 11:19:21 2001
From: J.Dunn at SLAVONIC.ARTS.GLA.AC.UK (J.Dunn at SLAVONIC.ARTS.GLA.AC.UK)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 12:19:21 +0100
Subject: History of Slavonic languages
In-Reply-To: <NDBBICAECLMOBBHNIGOOOEOHCIAA.ggerhart@home.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.29.MAY.2001.121921.0100.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

For some of us poor, benighted, culturally-deprived souls the fun does not
begin until you get to the history of the Slavonic languages, though I
accept that capturing the ludic essence of language history in print has
proved somewhat elusive.  I did, however, find the following curiosity in
Moscow a few years ago:

Tat'jana Mironova, Neobychajnoe puteshestvie v Drevnjuju Rus': Grammatika
drevnerusskogo jazyka dlja detej, Moscow, Roman-gazeta, 1994.

For some people this would no doubt qualify as child abuse.

John Dunn.


>Stephen asked: "Does anyone know of any fun books/courses about the history
>of Slavonic languages?"
>
>I say: By the time you get to the history of Slavonic languages, fun has had
>its day.
>
>Genevra Gerhart
>
>http://www.members.home.net/ggerhart
>New email address: ggerhart at home.com
>206-329-0053
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Glasgow
G12 8RS
Great Britain

Telephone (+44) 141 330-5591
Fax       (+44) 141 330-2297
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From katkovski at OSI.HU  Tue May 29 11:32:01 2001
From: katkovski at OSI.HU (Uladzimir Katkouski)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:32:01 +0200
Subject: History of Slavonic languages
Message-ID: <TUE.29.MAY.2001.133201.0200.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

The problem is not with the subject per se but with the authors. In my first
philology course "Introduction to Slavic Philology" our main study book was
Schenker's "The Dawn of Slavic". There you'll find very interesting facts
presented in a very dry and boring fashion. I would be dead bored if not for
the professor who was a great lecturer. There was only one bad thing about
him. He was Bulgarian, so he continuously made fun about Macedonian language
and culture :(.

Regards,
U.K.


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To: <SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: History of Slavonic languages


> For some of us poor, benighted, culturally-deprived souls the fun does not
> begin until you get to the history of the Slavonic languages, though I
> accept that capturing the ludic essence of language history in print has
> proved somewhat elusive.  I did, however, find the following curiosity in
> Moscow a few years ago:
>
> Tat'jana Mironova, Neobychajnoe puteshestvie v Drevnjuju Rus': Grammatika
> drevnerusskogo jazyka dlja detej, Moscow, Roman-gazeta, 1994.
>
> For some people this would no doubt qualify as child abuse.
>
> John Dunn.
>
>
> >Stephen asked: "Does anyone know of any fun books/courses about the
history
> >of Slavonic languages?"
> >
> >I say: By the time you get to the history of Slavonic languages, fun has
had
> >its day.
> >
> >Genevra Gerhart
> >
> >http://www.members.home.net/ggerhart
> >New email address: ggerhart at home.com
> >206-329-0053
> >
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> University of Glasgow
> Glasgow
> G12 8RS
> Great Britain
>
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> Fax       (+44) 141 330-2297
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From Zemedelec at AOL.COM  Tue May 29 11:54:24 2001
From: Zemedelec at AOL.COM (Leslie Farmer)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 07:54:24 EDT
Subject: History of Slavonic languages
Message-ID: <TUE.29.MAY.2001.075424.EDT.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

In a message dated 5/29/1 6:32:32, katkovski at OSI.HU writes:

<< The problem is not with the subject per se but with the authors.

<<There you'll find very interesting facts

presented in a very dry and boring fashion.  >>

I wonder if any of them could improve on a sentence in my first Arabic
grammar, "A noun is in the nominative case, unless there is a reason for it
to be in another case."

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From katkovski at OSI.HU  Tue May 29 13:22:11 2001
From: katkovski at OSI.HU (Uladzimir Katkouski)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:22:11 +0200
Subject: terminology
Message-ID: <TUE.29.MAY.2001.152211.0200.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

If you go now to europe.cnn.com site and look at the "quick vote" (located
near the bottom of the page), you'll see the following text: "Should Russian
and European countries support the U.S. missile defense system if they are
able to sell components for it? Yes/No"
I have a question: what the heck is meant by "Russian countries"???

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From wfr at SAS.AC.UK  Tue May 29 13:43:52 2001
From: wfr at SAS.AC.UK (william ryan)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 14:43:52 +0100
Subject: History of Slavonic languages
Message-ID: <TUE.29.MAY.2001.144352.0100.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

The invariably amusing lectures of the late Boris Unbegaun were always fun and launched me on a sadly underpaid career which I have never regretted.
His published articles are still fun for those who delight in quirkier aspects of linguistic history (but on no account give his book on noun
flexions in Old Russian to any but the solemnest of students - they would probably never recover).
Will Ryan
Warburg Institute

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From feldstei at INDIANA.EDU  Tue May 29 15:16:56 2001
From: feldstei at INDIANA.EDU (feldstei)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:16:56 -0500
Subject: Russian Language Website/www.gramota.ru
Message-ID: <TUE.29.MAY.2001.101656.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I just noticed an entertaining Russian language website that has a number
of topical articles and searches in Russian language dictionaries.  In case
it's not widely known and might be of interest, it's as follows:

                        www.gramota.ru

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From lcf at U.WASHINGTON.EDU  Tue May 29 19:16:33 2001
From: lcf at U.WASHINGTON.EDU (L. Friend)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 12:16:33 -0700
Subject: History of Slavonic languages
In-Reply-To: <SEELANGS%2001052615305556@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
Message-ID: <TUE.29.MAY.2001.121633.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Professor Katarzyna A. Dziwirek of the University of Washington's
Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures teaches an excellent
introductory course:

"SLAV 351 History of the Slavic Languages (5) VLPA
External and internal history of Slavic literary languages from the
beginnings to the present time, including the development of writing
systems, external attempts at reform, and the development of vocabulary."

Professor Herbert Coats of UW has regularly taught a very interesting --
yes, even fun -- graduate-level course entitled "Diachronic Slavic
Linguistics."

Both professors use their own packets of handouts, rather than a published
textbook.

Regards,

*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>
  Laura Friend, M.A.   "lcf at u.washington.edu"
  Department of Slavic Languages & Literatures    (206) 543-6848
  Language Learning Center                        (206) 685-9401
  University of Washington
  Seattle, WA  98195-3580

On Sat, 26 May 2001, Stephen Pearl wrote:

> I would like to pass along a question from a friend : "Does anyone know of
> any fun books/courses about the history of Slavonic languages?"  Thanks
>
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From dworth at UCLA.EDU  Tue May 29 19:54:56 2001
From: dworth at UCLA.EDU (Dean Worth)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 12:54:56 -0700
Subject: History of Slavonic languages
In-Reply-To: <008a01c0e832$fab74ee0$ec47500a@osi.hu>
Message-ID: <TUE.29.MAY.2001.125456.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Gosh, that's funny. I've know Professor Schenker for ages, and he always
seemed Polish to me. But, doubtless, Vam vidnee (Russian). Dean Worth


At 01:32 PM 5/29/01 +0200, you wrote:
>The problem is not with the subject per se but with the authors. In my first
>philology course "Introduction to Slavic Philology" our main study book was
>Schenker's "The Dawn of Slavic". There you'll find very interesting facts
>presented in a very dry and boring fashion. I would be dead bored if not for
>the professor who was a great lecturer. There was only one bad thing about
>him. He was Bulgarian, so he continuously made fun about Macedonian language
>and culture :(.
>
>Regards,
>U.K.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <J.Dunn at SLAVONIC.ARTS.GLA.AC.UK>
>To: <SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
>Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 1:19 PM
>Subject: Re: History of Slavonic languages
>
>
>> For some of us poor, benighted, culturally-deprived souls the fun does not
>> begin until you get to the history of the Slavonic languages, though I
>> accept that capturing the ludic essence of language history in print has
>> proved somewhat elusive.  I did, however, find the following curiosity in
>> Moscow a few years ago:
>>
>> Tat'jana Mironova, Neobychajnoe puteshestvie v Drevnjuju Rus': Grammatika
>> drevnerusskogo jazyka dlja detej, Moscow, Roman-gazeta, 1994.
>>
>> For some people this would no doubt qualify as child abuse.
>>
>> John Dunn.
>>
>>
>> >Stephen asked: "Does anyone know of any fun books/courses about the
>history
>> >of Slavonic languages?"
>> >
>> >I say: By the time you get to the history of Slavonic languages, fun has
>had
>> >its day.
>> >
>> >Genevra Gerhart
>> >
>> >http://www.members.home.net/ggerhart
>> >New email address: ggerhart at home.com
>> >206-329-0053
>> >
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>>
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>> Department of Slavonic Studies
>> Hetherington Building
>> University of Glasgow
>> Glasgow
>> G12 8RS
>> Great Britain
>>
>> Telephone (+44) 141 330-5591
>> Fax       (+44) 141 330-2297
>> e-mail    J.Dunn at slavonic.arts.gla.ac.uk
>>
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From marinab at LELAND.STANFORD.EDU  Tue May 29 20:09:24 2001
From: marinab at LELAND.STANFORD.EDU (Marina Brodskaya)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:09:24 -0700
Subject: counting of years from creation
Message-ID: <TUE.29.MAY.2001.130924.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELANGERS,

A former student has asked me to post this question for him.  Please reply to him directly: kent.penwarden at globalstar.com Your help is greatly appreciated.


It is presumed that in the time of Constatine I, the Roman Empire was
counting years from the founding of the City of Rome.  But sometime after Constatine I and before Peter the
Great, the dating from the beginning of creation was introduced.  Creation was determined to have begun on
September 1, 5509 B.C.  When was the counting of years from creation initiated?  Who determined the date of
creation?  Who initiated (decreed) it?  (In the West, it is known that Dionysius Exiguus introduced the
comparable Christian Era (A.D.) system in approximately 535 A.D.)

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From kcf19 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM  Tue May 29 20:27:15 2001
From: kcf19 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Robert Chandler)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 21:27:15 +0100
Subject: Andrey Platonov
Message-ID: <TUE.29.MAY.2001.212715.0100.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Can any Platonov lovers (or anyone else) help me towards a translation of
this line from the third paragraph of chapter twelve of DZHAN?

Sufyan v tot den' poshel po vetru, kuda nesutsya vyrvannye, izzhivshie
zhizn' bylinki travy i katitsya perekati-pole.

Our present version is:
That same morning, Sufyan had set off in the direction the wind was
blowing, along with tumbleweed bushes and outlived blades of torn up
grass.

The biggest problem is izzhivshie  zhizn'. 'outlived' is inadequate.

Thanks, Robert Chandler

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From sher07 at MINDSPRING.COM  Tue May 29 23:22:20 2001
From: sher07 at MINDSPRING.COM (Benjamin Sher)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:22:20 -0500
Subject: Copyright Query -- English to Russian
Message-ID: <TUE.29.MAY.2001.182220.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear friends:

I have it on good authority that the pre-1973 rule as it pertains to
books published in either the Soviet Union or the United States and
Britain is, as the unnamed source says, "rock-solid in Russia, and
anyone who tells you otherwise is woefully misinformed."

More specifically, there is NO legal need to request copyright clearance
when publishing translations in the United States of books published in
the Soviet Union prior to 1973 (I believe the approximate date is April,
1973), and, conversely, there is NO legal need to request copyright
clearance when publishing translations in Russia (though NOT necessarily
in the other republics of the former Soviet Union) of books published in
the United States and Britain prior to 1973. However, the person in
question has suggested that anyone publishing a translation in Russia
seriously consider, as a matter of honor, contacting the American or
British publisher in question and pay what, I am told, are usually quite
miniscule copyright permission fees (as applied to Russian publishers,
only, of course, and especially as applied to books that are NOT
best-sellers and are NOT likely, therefore, to generate a large income
for the Russian publisher).

The person in question has explicitly asked for anonymity. The person's
credentials appear to me to be both sterling and professionally
impeccable, in terms of both this person's understanding of copyright
law and practical involvement in issues affecting such Russian copyright
law, its implementation and enforcement.

By the way, the letter by Ralph Cleminson to the Seelangs list fully
confirms the facts above and elaborates on them. Once again here is a
copy of his letter:

"Under European law, an original piece of work is generally protected
for 70 years after the death of its creator.  I believe that a similar
law applies in the United States. The probable answer to your question,
therefore, is that you do need clearance unless the book was published
before 1931 AND its author died before that date.  However, a case of
copyright infringement occurs where the material is being used and a
potential breach of copyright occurs, not where the material was
created.  It is therefore necessary to consult the laws of the country
in which the translation is being made, published and distributed. The
date of 1973 is completely irrelevant to the United States and Britain,
being the date when the Soviet Union adhered to the Berne Convention
on Copyright."

For matters relating to United States copyright law you can consult
http://www.loc.gov/copyright/.

Thank you all so very much.

Benjamin Sher


Sher's Russian Web
http://www.websher.net
Benjamin and Anna Sher
sher07 at mindspring.com

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From ggerhart at HOME.COM  Wed May 30 01:30:06 2001
From: ggerhart at HOME.COM (Genevra Gerhart)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:30:06 -0700
Subject: History of Slavonic languages
In-Reply-To: <200105291926.f4TJQn505795@mx2-tx.mail.home.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.29.MAY.2001.183006.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Laura,
As you may have suspected, I'm much too old to accept "fun" as an adjective,
in any case.
It's a great pity that these professors do not find it worth their while to
write an interesting History of Slavonic Languages.
Regards,
Genevra Gerhart

http://www.members.home.net/ggerhart
New email address: ggerhart at home.com
206-329-0053



-----Original Message-----
From: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list
[mailto:SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of L. Friend
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:17 PM
To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Re: History of Slavonic languages


Professor Katarzyna A. Dziwirek of the University of Washington's
Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures teaches an excellent
introductory course:

"SLAV 351 History of the Slavic Languages (5) VLPA
External and internal history of Slavic literary languages from the
beginnings to the present time, including the development of writing
systems, external attempts at reform, and the development of vocabulary."

Professor Herbert Coats of UW has regularly taught a very interesting --
yes, even fun -- graduate-level course entitled "Diachronic Slavic
Linguistics."

Both professors use their own packets of handouts, rather than a published
textbook.

Regards,

*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>
  Laura Friend, M.A.   "lcf at u.washington.edu"
  Department of Slavic Languages & Literatures    (206) 543-6848
  Language Learning Center                        (206) 685-9401
  University of Washington
  Seattle, WA  98195-3580

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> any fun books/courses about the history of Slavonic languages?"  Thanks
>
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From dworth at UCLA.EDU  Wed May 30 02:30:25 2001
From: dworth at UCLA.EDU (Dean Worth)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 19:30:25 -0700
Subject: History of Slavonic languages
In-Reply-To: <NDBBICAECLMOBBHNIGOOKEPGCIAA.ggerhart@home.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.29.MAY.2001.193025.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Genevra,
        As usual, things you know little about seem uninteresting; things you
delude yourself into thinking you DO know something about, DO seem
interesting, even fun (you won't believe this, but the FALL OF THE JERS is
a real gas). Get off your high chair with this stuff. Dean



At 06:30 PM 5/29/01 -0700, you wrote:
>Dear Laura,
>As you may have suspected, I'm much too old to accept "fun" as an adjective,
>in any case.
>It's a great pity that these professors do not find it worth their while to
>write an interesting History of Slavonic Languages.
>Regards,
>Genevra Gerhart
>
>http://www.members.home.net/ggerhart
>New email address: ggerhart at home.com
>206-329-0053
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list
>[mailto:SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of L. Friend
>Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:17 PM
>To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
>Subject: Re: History of Slavonic languages
>
>
>Professor Katarzyna A. Dziwirek of the University of Washington's
>Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures teaches an excellent
>introductory course:
>
>"SLAV 351 History of the Slavic Languages (5) VLPA
>External and internal history of Slavic literary languages from the
>beginnings to the present time, including the development of writing
>systems, external attempts at reform, and the development of vocabulary."
>
>Professor Herbert Coats of UW has regularly taught a very interesting --
>yes, even fun -- graduate-level course entitled "Diachronic Slavic
>Linguistics."
>
>Both professors use their own packets of handouts, rather than a published
>textbook.
>
>Regards,
>
>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>
>  Laura Friend, M.A.   "lcf at u.washington.edu"
>  Department of Slavic Languages & Literatures    (206) 543-6848
>  Language Learning Center                        (206) 685-9401
>  University of Washington
>  Seattle, WA  98195-3580
>
>On Sat, 26 May 2001, Stephen Pearl wrote:
>
>> I would like to pass along a question from a friend : "Does anyone know of
>> any fun books/courses about the history of Slavonic languages?"  Thanks
>>
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From dworth at UCLA.EDU  Wed May 30 07:42:20 2001
From: dworth at UCLA.EDU (Dean Worth)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 00:42:20 -0700
Subject: History of Slavonic languages
In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20010529125456.006c581c@pop.bol.ucla.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.30.MAY.2001.004220.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear List,
        My response to U.K. resulted from quick, careless reading, and was
uncalled for; apologies. Dean Worth



At 12:54 PM 5/29/01 -0700, you wrote:
>Gosh, that's funny. I've know Professor Schenker for ages, and he always
>seemed Polish to me. But, doubtless, Vam vidnee (Russian). Dean Worth
>
>
>At 01:32 PM 5/29/01 +0200, you wrote:
>>The problem is not with the subject per se but with the authors. In my first
>>philology course "Introduction to Slavic Philology" our main study book was
>>Schenker's "The Dawn of Slavic". There you'll find very interesting facts
>>presented in a very dry and boring fashion. I would be dead bored if not for
>>the professor who was a great lecturer. There was only one bad thing about
>>him. He was Bulgarian, so he continuously made fun about Macedonian language
>>and culture :(.
>>
>>Regards,
>>U.K.
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <J.Dunn at SLAVONIC.ARTS.GLA.AC.UK>
>>To: <SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
>>Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 1:19 PM
>>Subject: Re: History of Slavonic languages
>>
>>
>>> For some of us poor, benighted, culturally-deprived souls the fun does not
>>> begin until you get to the history of the Slavonic languages, though I
>>> accept that capturing the ludic essence of language history in print has
>>> proved somewhat elusive.  I did, however, find the following curiosity in
>>> Moscow a few years ago:
>>>
>>> Tat'jana Mironova, Neobychajnoe puteshestvie v Drevnjuju Rus': Grammatika
>>> drevnerusskogo jazyka dlja detej, Moscow, Roman-gazeta, 1994.
>>>
>>> For some people this would no doubt qualify as child abuse.
>>>
>>> John Dunn.
>>>
>>>
>>> >Stephen asked: "Does anyone know of any fun books/courses about the
>>history
>>> >of Slavonic languages?"
>>> >
>>> >I say: By the time you get to the history of Slavonic languages, fun has
>>had
>>> >its day.
>>> >
>>> >Genevra Gerhart
>>> >
>>> >http://www.members.home.net/ggerhart
>>> >New email address: ggerhart at home.com
>>> >206-329-0053
>>> >
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>>> Hetherington Building
>>> University of Glasgow
>>> Glasgow
>>> G12 8RS
>>> Great Britain
>>>
>>> Telephone (+44) 141 330-5591
>>> Fax       (+44) 141 330-2297
>>> e-mail    J.Dunn at slavonic.arts.gla.ac.uk
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From n.bermel at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK  Wed May 30 07:33:05 2001
From: n.bermel at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Neil Bermel)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 08:33:05 +0100
Subject: History of Slavonic Languages
Message-ID: <WED.30.MAY.2001.083305.0100.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

David Hart's _Topics in the Structure of Russian_ (Slavica, 1996) mostly
deals with synchronic matters, but  has a chapter on the history of Russian
as well.   The title isn't promising, but the book is engagingly written,
and explains matters clearly without presuming prior knowledge.

In defense of Schenker's _Dawn of Slavic_: yes, it's a bit dense in places,
but I've assigned selected readings from it in an undergraduate course
("Introduction to the Slavonic Languages") and the reactions from students
were good.  The cultural background he provides to the development of
alphabets, etc. is excellent, and there are numerous interesting and
amusing quotations.  The explanations of sound change presume more
background knowledge than the average undergraduate student of Russian has,
but there's no rule that every reader has to read the whole book....

Neil


----------------------------------------------------
Neil Bermel
University of Sheffield
Department of Russian and Slavonic Studies
Sheffield S10 2TN England
+44 (0)114 222 7405
+44 (0)114 222 7416 fax

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From deyrupma at SHU.EDU  Wed May 30 12:56:27 2001
From: deyrupma at SHU.EDU (deyrupma at SHU.EDU)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 08:56:27 -0400
Subject: update
Message-ID: <WED.30.MAY.2001.085627.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

The AATSEEL page on programs for middle and high school students interested
in  learning Slavic and East European languages has recently been updated.
http://clover.slavic.pitt.edu/~aatseel/intensive-programs/highschool.html
The listing contains addresses, websites and other contact information
about these programs.
Marta Deyrup

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From michael.younger2 at BAESYSTEMS.COM  Wed May 30 14:59:32 2001
From: michael.younger2 at BAESYSTEMS.COM (Michael Younger)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:59:32 -0500
Subject: History of Slavonic languages
Message-ID: <WED.30.MAY.2001.095932.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

This seems rather harsh.  As I read her note, Genevra Gerhart is hoping
someone will write an *interesting* textbook on the field; she's not
dismissing the field altogether.  A more interesting, more accessible book
would presumably increase awareness of, and enjoyment of, the field.

Anyone who doubts her knowledge (and love) of Russian need only look at "The
Russian's World."  No "delusion" there -- it's a wonderful book.

I reserve the right to agree or disagree with her (or anyone else), but
Genevra Gerhart brings a certain color and humor to this list that help keep
it lively and stimulating; I *always* read her messages.

My $0.02 worth ...

Michael Younger


-----Original Message-----
From: Dean Worth [mailto:dworth at UCLA.EDU]
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:30 PM
To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Re: History of Slavonic languages


Dear Genevra,
        As usual, things you know little about seem uninteresting; things
you
delude yourself into thinking you DO know something about, DO seem
interesting, even fun (you won't believe this, but the FALL OF THE JERS is
a real gas). Get off your high chair with this stuff. Dean



At 06:30 PM 5/29/01 -0700, you wrote:
>Dear Laura,
>As you may have suspected, I'm much too old to accept "fun" as an
adjective,
>in any case.
>It's a great pity that these professors do not find it worth their while to
>write an interesting History of Slavonic Languages.
>Regards,
>Genevra Gerhart
>
>http://www.members.home.net/ggerhart
>New email address: ggerhart at home.com
>206-329-0053
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list
>[mailto:SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of L. Friend
>Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:17 PM
>To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
>Subject: Re: History of Slavonic languages
>
>
>Professor Katarzyna A. Dziwirek of the University of Washington's
>Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures teaches an excellent
>introductory course:
>
>"SLAV 351 History of the Slavic Languages (5) VLPA
>External and internal history of Slavic literary languages from the
>beginnings to the present time, including the development of writing
>systems, external attempts at reform, and the development of vocabulary."
>
>Professor Herbert Coats of UW has regularly taught a very interesting --
>yes, even fun -- graduate-level course entitled "Diachronic Slavic
>Linguistics."
>
>Both professors use their own packets of handouts, rather than a published
>textbook.
>
>Regards,
>
>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>
>  Laura Friend, M.A.   "lcf at u.washington.edu"
>  Department of Slavic Languages & Literatures    (206) 543-6848
>  Language Learning Center                        (206) 685-9401
>  University of Washington
>  Seattle, WA  98195-3580
>
>On Sat, 26 May 2001, Stephen Pearl wrote:
>
>> I would like to pass along a question from a friend : "Does anyone know
of
>> any fun books/courses about the history of Slavonic languages?"  Thanks
>>
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From itigount at CHASS.UTORONTO.CA  Wed May 30 15:04:39 2001
From: itigount at CHASS.UTORONTO.CA (Inna Tigountsova)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 11:04:39 -0400
Subject: Estetika bezobraznogo/ Aesthetics of the Ugly
In-Reply-To: <AB024A43860AD411A0BD00902789AFBB014D3B41@trexchaus3.tracor.com>
Message-ID: <WED.30.MAY.2001.110439.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Colleagues,
does anybody know where does the Russian term "estetika bezobraznogo" come
from?
Is there any scholar working specifically on the "aesthetics of the ugly?"

And is there an ENGLISH translation of

Giuio Zhan-Mari(Guyau Jean-Marie)., "Zadachi sovremennoi estetiki", SPb,
1899, originally published in French?

Many thanks.
Inna Tigountsova.

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From ewb2 at CORNELL.EDU  Wed May 30 15:29:36 2001
From: ewb2 at CORNELL.EDU (ewb2 at CORNELL.EDU)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 11:29:36 -0400
Subject: History of Slavonic languages
In-Reply-To: <AB024A43860AD411A0BD00902789AFBB014D3B41@trexchaus3.tracor.com>
Message-ID: <WED.30.MAY.2001.112936.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I don't know of a completely enjoyable introduction to the history of
the whole Sl. language group, although the article in the Encyclopaedia
Britannica is far from bad. For Russian specifically, there is an engagingly
written little book:
The Russian language; a brief history [by]
G. O. Vinokur. Translated by Mary A. Forsyth, edited by James Forsyth.
                 Cambridge [Eng.] University Press, 1971.
                 x, 146 p. maps. 22 cm.
Best wishes,

Wayles Browne, Assoc. Prof. of Linguistics
Department of Linguistics
Morrill Hall 220, Cornell University
Ithaca, New York 14853, U.S.A.

tel. 607-255-0712 (o), 607-273-3009 (h)
fax 607-255-2044 (write FOR W. BROWNE)
e-mail ewb2 at cornell.edu

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From zielinski at ECONOPHONE.CH  Wed May 30 15:34:21 2001
From: zielinski at ECONOPHONE.CH (Zielinski)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:34:21 +0200
Subject: Estetika bezobraznogo/ Aesthetics of the Ugly
Message-ID: <WED.30.MAY.2001.173421.0200.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

> Is there any scholar working specifically on the "aesthetics of the ugly?"

Try to look for some works on Polish post-war poetry, where the notion of
"turpizm" is used, meaning the fascination for the ugly (it was coined by
poet Julian Przybos 1962).

Jan Zielinski

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From CSperrle at CS.COM  Wed May 30 18:26:24 2001
From: CSperrle at CS.COM (CSperrle at CS.COM)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:26:24 EDT
Subject: Leont'ev and Wordsworth
Message-ID: <WED.30.MAY.2001.142624.EDT.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Could anyone help me find the sources for two quotes my publisher asked me to
clear up? Many thanks.

1. Does anyone know where Konstantin Leont'ev uses the term "transcendent
egoizm (transtsendentnyi egoizm)" for the concern of saving one's soul? I
have the Berdiaev source where he quotes from a letter without
identification, but I would like to have a primary source, if possible.

2. Where does Wordsworth (probably somewhere in the Prelude) use the phrase
"emotions recollected in tranquility"?

Thanks for all your help,
Christina Sperrle.

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From irina.dolgova at YALE.EDU  Wed May 30 18:40:14 2001
From: irina.dolgova at YALE.EDU (Irina Dolgova)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:40:14 -0400
Subject: Uzbeck
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1010529101610.13090A-100000@lear.ucs.indiana .edu>
Message-ID: <WED.30.MAY.2001.144014.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

>Dear Seelangers!
Could you, please, help to find an appropriate teaching materials for a
motivated student who wants to study Uzbek on his own?
Thank you for your help.
Irina Dolgova






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From Polsky at ACTR.ORG  Wed May 30 19:01:27 2001
From: Polsky at ACTR.ORG (Marissa Polsky)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:01:27 -0400
Subject: Uzbeck
Message-ID: <WED.30.MAY.2001.150127.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

For the intermediate level (or a  motivated beginner), you can try CenAsiaNet.  It is a website for teaching the Central Asian languages.  It uses authentic news broadcasts to test listening, as well as other types of exercises - vocabulary, grammar, etc.  

The website is at http://www.cenasianet.org/.  New users need to register, but the site is free.  The registration is only there so that the user can keep track of his/her score every time s/he returns to the exercises.  Also, when you go through the registration process, the site will help you go through the steps to make sure your computer has all the necessary fonts and plug-ins to read and watch the material (although for Uzbek there is no required font - it is all in Latin).   The apple QuickTime plug-in is required for viewing the video.  It is available at http://www.quicktime.com.  If you are not sure whether you have it or not, just go through the setup on CenAsiaNet and you can find out and get the plug-in from there.

Once you are through with registration, just choose the language Uzbek, and you are on your way.  There are 3 different lessons to choose from, each constituting of about  30 minutes of video material, divided into several smaller clips in order to ease loading time.  

If you have any questions about the exercises, just let me know, off-list.





Marissa Polsky
---------------------------------------------
Web Applications Developer
ACIE: ACTR/ACCELS
http://www.russnet.org/home.html
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From thurmchcs at JUNO.COM  Wed May 30 19:06:54 2001
From: thurmchcs at JUNO.COM (Eileen C Thurman)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:06:54 -0500
Subject: how to send/receive email in cyrillic
Message-ID: <WED.30.MAY.2001.140654.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Baron Chivrin & others,
        The problem may be in your email provider.  Mine is Juno, and I often
get the accented English vowels on seelangs messages.  However, a friend
recommended to me that I open a free account with www.mail.ru, and can
send and recieve messages there in both cyrillic and English.  You might
want to try that.
        Eileen Thurman
        thurmchcs at juno.com or thurmchcs at mail.ru

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From krylya at HOTMAIL.COM  Wed May 30 19:30:33 2001
From: krylya at HOTMAIL.COM (Rodney Patterson)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:30:33 -0400
Subject: Estetika bezobraznogo/ Aesthetics of the Ugly
Message-ID: <WED.30.MAY.2001.153033.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Although I cannot recall anyone who is / has been concentating particularly
on the "aesthetics of the ugly," I have found that the question is treated
to some degree in most solid works on Decadence (neo-Romanticism) in art and
literature, including works on Decadence's forebears such as Poe,
Baudelaire, and Huysmans of course.  Dostoevsky (in "Zapiski iz-pod pola,"
the the Svidrigajlov parts of PRESTUPLENIE I NAKAZANIE, for instance)
wielded some influence on Russian Decadence with respect to such
"aesthetics," too.  The question of such aesthetics in Romanticism is also
treated by Mario Praz in THE ROMANTIC AGONY ("ch. 1:  "The Beauty of the
Medusa").

Rodney L. Patterson
State University of New York, Albany


>From: Inna Tigountsova <itigount at CHASS.UTORONTO.CA>
>Reply-To: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list
><SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
>To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
>Subject: Estetika bezobraznogo/ Aesthetics of the Ugly
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 11:04:39 -0400
>
>Dear Colleagues,
>does anybody know where does the Russian term "estetika bezobraznogo" come
>from?
>Is there any scholar working specifically on the "aesthetics of the ugly?"
>
>And is there an ENGLISH translation of
>
>Giuio Zhan-Mari(Guyau Jean-Marie)., "Zadachi sovremennoi estetiki", SPb,
>1899, originally published in French?
>
>Many thanks.
>Inna Tigountsova.
>
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From krylya at HOTMAIL.COM  Wed May 30 19:43:32 2001
From: krylya at HOTMAIL.COM (Rodney Patterson)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:43:32 -0400
Subject: History of Slavonic languages
Message-ID: <WED.30.MAY.2001.154332.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I don't think Dean Worth was being "harsh" at all.  Look at Genevra's
sarcastic attempt at a put-down: "It's a great pity that these professors do
not find it worth their while to write an interesting History of Slavonic
Languages."  "These professors" have worked hard to make interesting
histories and have considered such work "worth their while."  They have
succeeded.  Scholars who are interested in the history of Slavic Languages
will find the work of "these professors" exhilarating.  People who are not
interested  may prefer an adventure novel.

Rodney L. Patterson
State University of New York, Albany


>From: Michael Younger <michael.younger2 at BAESYSTEMS.COM>
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><SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
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>Subject: Re: History of Slavonic languages
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:59:32 -0500
>
>This seems rather harsh.  As I read her note, Genevra Gerhart is hoping
>someone will write an *interesting* textbook on the field; she's not
>dismissing the field altogether.  A more interesting, more accessible book
>would presumably increase awareness of, and enjoyment of, the field.
>
>Anyone who doubts her knowledge (and love) of Russian need only look at
>"The
>Russian's World."  No "delusion" there -- it's a wonderful book.
>
>I reserve the right to agree or disagree with her (or anyone else), but
>Genevra Gerhart brings a certain color and humor to this list that help
>keep
>it lively and stimulating; I *always* read her messages.
>
>My $0.02 worth ...
>
>Michael Younger
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dean Worth [mailto:dworth at UCLA.EDU]
>Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:30 PM
>To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
>Subject: Re: History of Slavonic languages
>
>
>Dear Genevra,
>         As usual, things you know little about seem uninteresting; things
>you
>delude yourself into thinking you DO know something about, DO seem
>interesting, even fun (you won't believe this, but the FALL OF THE JERS is
>a real gas). Get off your high chair with this stuff. Dean
>
>
>
>At 06:30 PM 5/29/01 -0700, you wrote:
> >Dear Laura,
> >As you may have suspected, I'm much too old to accept "fun" as an
>adjective,
> >in any case.
> >It's a great pity that these professors do not find it worth their while
>to
> >write an interesting History of Slavonic Languages.
> >Regards,
> >Genevra Gerhart
> >
> >http://www.members.home.net/ggerhart
> >New email address: ggerhart at home.com
> >206-329-0053
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list
> >[mailto:SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of L. Friend
> >Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 12:17 PM
> >To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
> >Subject: Re: History of Slavonic languages
> >
> >
> >Professor Katarzyna A. Dziwirek of the University of Washington's
> >Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures teaches an excellent
> >introductory course:
> >
> >"SLAV 351 History of the Slavic Languages (5) VLPA
> >External and internal history of Slavic literary languages from the
> >beginnings to the present time, including the development of writing
> >systems, external attempts at reform, and the development of vocabulary."
> >
> >Professor Herbert Coats of UW has regularly taught a very interesting --
> >yes, even fun -- graduate-level course entitled "Diachronic Slavic
> >Linguistics."
> >
> >Both professors use their own packets of handouts, rather than a
>published
> >textbook.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>*<*>
> >  Laura Friend, M.A.   "lcf at u.washington.edu"
> >  Department of Slavic Languages & Literatures    (206) 543-6848
> >  Language Learning Center                        (206) 685-9401
> >  University of Washington
> >  Seattle, WA  98195-3580
> >
> >On Sat, 26 May 2001, Stephen Pearl wrote:
> >
> >> I would like to pass along a question from a friend : "Does anyone know
>of
> >> any fun books/courses about the history of Slavonic languages?"  Thanks
> >>
> >>
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From renner-fahey.59 at OSU.EDU  Wed May 30 19:28:14 2001
From: renner-fahey.59 at OSU.EDU (Ona Renner-Fahey)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:28:14 -0400
Subject: Leont'ev and Wordsworth
In-Reply-To: <d.15736b01.28469550@cs.com>
Message-ID: <WED.30.MAY.2001.152814.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

>2. Where does Wordsworth (probably somewhere in the Prelude) use the phrase
>"emotions recollected in tranquility"?
>
In the Preface to Lyrical Ballads (1850) Wordsworth writes:
"For all good poetry is the spontaneous overflow of powerful feelings" (127).

And then some 20 pages later:

"I have said that poetry is the spontaneous overflow of powerful feelings:
it takes its origin from emotion recollected in tranquility: The emotion is
contemplated till, by a species of re-action, the tranquility gradually
disappears, and an emotion, kindred to that which was before the subject of
contemplation, is gradually produced, and does itself actually exist in the
mind.  In this mood successful composition generally begins, and in a mood
similar to this it is carried on; but the emotion, of whatever kind, and in
whatever degree, from various causes, is qualified by various pleasures, so
that in describing any passions whatsoever, which are voluntarily
described, the mind will, upon the whole, be in a state of enjoyment" (149)

The Prose Works of William Wordsworth.  (Oxford at the Clarendon Press,
1974, v. 1)

Hope this is of some use,
Ona Renner-Fahey

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From naiman at SOCRATES.BERKELEY.EDU  Wed May 30 19:33:03 2001
From: naiman at SOCRATES.BERKELEY.EDU (Eric Naiman)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:33:03 -0700
Subject: Estetika bezobraznogo/ Aesthetics of the Ugly
In-Reply-To: <F214O7TRURqYYrX0cIU00018156@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <WED.30.MAY.2001.123303.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

In Strachey's Eminent Victorians -- probably in the Nightingale chapter --
there is a wonderful passage describing the transition in mentality
towards regarding the ill, deformed body as beautiful and the healthy body
as boring.
        E. Naiman

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From eginzbur at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Wed May 30 19:45:47 2001
From: eginzbur at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (elizabeth ginzburg)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:45:47 -0500
Subject: Yunna Morits
In-Reply-To: <F214O7TRURqYYrX0cIU00018156@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <WED.30.MAY.2001.144547.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I wonder whether a translation intp English of Morits' poem "Na
Trafal'garskoi
ploshchadi nochnoi" exists, and how to get this translation.
I would appreciate any help ASAP.

Liza Ginzburg

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From tancockk at UVIC.CA  Wed May 30 19:50:16 2001
From: tancockk at UVIC.CA (Kat Tancock)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 12:50:16 -0700
Subject: Uzbeck
In-Reply-To: <sb150b52.086@mail.actr.org>
Message-ID: <WED.30.MAY.2001.125016.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Hi Marissa,

I don't know if I'm being dense, but I can't seem to find this
information - I just end up on russnet. Can you point us to a more
direct url?

Thanks,

Kat

On Wednesday, May 30, 2001, at 12:01  PM, Marissa Polsky wrote:

> For the intermediate level (or a  motivated beginner), you can try
> CenAsiaNet.  It is a website for teaching the Central Asian languages.
> It uses authentic news broadcasts to test listening, as well as other
> types of exercises - vocabulary, grammar, etc.
>
> The website is at http://www.cenasianet.org/.  New users need to
> register, but the site is free.  The registration is only there so that
> the user can keep track of his/her score every time s/he returns to the
> exercises.  Also, when you go through the registration process, the
> site will help you go through the steps to make sure your computer has
> all the necessary fonts and plug-ins to read and watch the material
> (although for Uzbek there is no required font - it is all in Latin).
> The apple QuickTime plug-in is required for viewing the video.  It is
> available at http://www.quicktime.com.  If you are not sure whether you
> have it or not, just go through the setup on CenAsiaNet and you can
> find out and get the plug-in from there.
>
> Once you are through with registration, just choose the language Uzbek,
> and you are on your way.  There are 3 different lessons to choose from,
> each constituting of about  30 minutes of video material, divided into
> several smaller clips in order to ease loading time.
>
> If you have any questions about the exercises, just let me know,
> off-list.
>
>
>
>
>
> Marissa Polsky
> ---------------------------------------------
> Web Applications Developer
> ACIE: ACTR/ACCELS
> http://www.russnet.org/home.html
> (202) 833-7522
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From Polsky at ACTR.ORG  Wed May 30 19:53:52 2001
From: Polsky at ACTR.ORG (Marissa Polsky)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 15:53:52 -0400
Subject: Uzbeck
Message-ID: <WED.30.MAY.2001.155352.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

No, you're not being dense...Sometimes for reasons I can't figure out, on some computers (but not all, go figure) the site goes to Russnet.  Try going to this link...

http://www.cenasianet.org/cavIntro/intro.html 

Let me know if it works.



Marissa Polsky
---------------------------------------------
Web Applications Developer
ACIE: ACTR/ACCELS
http://www.russnet.org/home.html
http://www.cenasianet.org
(202) 833-7522

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From russell-valentino at UIOWA.EDU  Wed May 30 19:54:47 2001
From: russell-valentino at UIOWA.EDU (Russell Valentino)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:54:47 -0500
Subject: Estetika bezobraznogo/ Aesthetics of the Ugly
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SGI.4.10.10105301056510.1029269-100000@origin.chass.u
 toronto.ca>
Message-ID: <WED.30.MAY.2001.145447.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Robert Louis Jackson has many insightful things to say about both estetika
and bezobrazie in *Dostoevsky's Quest For Form.*

At 11:04 AM 05/30/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>Dear Colleagues,
>does anybody know where does the Russian term "estetika bezobraznogo" come
>from?
>Is there any scholar working specifically on the "aesthetics of the ugly?"
>
>And is there an ENGLISH translation of
>
>Giuio Zhan-Mari(Guyau Jean-Marie)., "Zadachi sovremennoi estetiki", SPb,
>1899, originally published in French?
>
>Many thanks.
>Inna Tigountsova.
>
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From tancockk at UVIC.CA  Wed May 30 20:20:30 2001
From: tancockk at UVIC.CA (Kat Tancock)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:20:30 -0700
Subject: Uzbeck
In-Reply-To: <sb1517ac.034@mail.actr.org>
Message-ID: <WED.30.MAY.2001.132030.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Works for me! Thanks!

Kat

On Wednesday, May 30, 2001, at 12:53  PM, Marissa Polsky wrote:

> No, you're not being dense...Sometimes for reasons I can't figure out,
> on some computers (but not all, go figure) the site goes to Russnet.
> Try going to this link...
>
> http://www.cenasianet.org/cavIntro/intro.html
>
> Let me know if it works.
>
>
>
> Marissa Polsky
> ---------------------------------------------
> Web Applications Developer
> ACIE: ACTR/ACCELS
> http://www.russnet.org/home.html
> http://www.cenasianet.org
> (202) 833-7522
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tancockk at uvic.ca
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From okagan at HUMNET.UCLA.EDU  Wed May 30 23:47:54 2001
From: okagan at HUMNET.UCLA.EDU (Kagan, Olga)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:47:54 -0700
Subject: SEELANGS Digest - 29 May 2001 to 30 May 2001 - Special issue
 (#2001-155)
Message-ID: <WED.30.MAY.2001.164754.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

RE: Uzbeck

You can find materials for teaching/learning Uzbeck on the following site:

UCLA Language Materials Project - www.lmp.ucla.edu

Hope it helps,
Olga Kagan
UCLA

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From wm6 at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Thu May 31 01:06:44 2001
From: wm6 at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (w martin)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:06:44 -0500
Subject: Yunna Morits
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0105301437040.21140-100000@harper.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <WED.30.MAY.2001.200644.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

hi liza,
i know danny weissbort has translated a number of morits' poems, you
might check in one of his anthologies.

cheers, bill


>I wonder whether a translation intp English of Morits' poem "Na
>Trafal'garskoi
>ploshchadi nochnoi" exists, and how to get this translation.
>I would appreciate any help ASAP.
>
>Liza Ginzburg
>
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From wm6 at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Thu May 31 01:25:45 2001
From: wm6 at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (w martin)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 20:25:45 -0500
Subject: Estetika bezobraznogo/ Aesthetics of the Ugly
In-Reply-To: <F214O7TRURqYYrX0cIU00018156@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <WED.30.MAY.2001.202545.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

adorno has a section about the ugly in his "aesthetic theory," which
might be of interest.

in his film theory he talks about "bilderlose bilder" (imagelessness
images), though i suppose this really has nothing to do with the ugly
per se....


bill martin





>
>>From: Inna Tigountsova <itigount at CHASS.UTORONTO.CA>
>>Reply-To: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list
>><SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
>>To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
>>Subject: Estetika bezobraznogo/ Aesthetics of the Ugly
>>Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 11:04:39 -0400
>>
>>Dear Colleagues,
>>does anybody know where does the Russian term "estetika bezobraznogo" come
>>from?
>>Is there any scholar working specifically on the "aesthetics of the ugly?"
>>
>>And is there an ENGLISH translation of
>>
>>Giuio Zhan-Mari(Guyau Jean-Marie)., "Zadachi sovremennoi estetiki", SPb,
>>1899, originally published in French?
>>
>>Many thanks.
>>Inna Tigountsova.

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From tritt002 at MAROON.TC.UMN.EDU  Thu May 31 03:13:37 2001
From: tritt002 at MAROON.TC.UMN.EDU (Michael Trittipo)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 22:13:37 -0500
Subject: Copyright Query -- English to Russian
In-Reply-To: <3B142F2C.7E4390C6@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <WED.30.MAY.2001.221337.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

>. . . there is NO legal need to request copyright clearance
>when publishing translations in the [US] of books published in
>the Soviet Union prior to 1973 . . .
>. . . and . . . NO legal need to request copyright
>clearance when publishing translations in Russia . . . of books published in
>the United States and Britain prior to 1973.
>  [Someone else] . . . fully confirms the facts above [by saying:]
>>". . . you do need clearance unless . . .."

There seems to be some confusion here about what acts are covered by
copyright law.

The original question was very limited (indeed, too limited to provide
grounds for a succinct answer):
"Does an English-to-Russian translator need copyright clearance for books
published in the United States and Britain prior to 1973?"
By "limited" I mean in particular that the original question didn't say
anything about (a) where the translation would be made, (b) whether the
translation would be published, or (c) where the translation, once made,
would be published.  It also didn't specify whether the hypothetical
translation would be of the entire work or just a relatively small part,
but it's fair to read it as being of the entire work.

These omissions are important, because the very **making** of a translation
of an entire work protected by U.S. copyright, NOT just a possible later
publication of the translation somewhere, is a violation of copyright law
in the U.S if it is not authorized by the copyright owner.  So if a
translator is working from English into Russian in the U.S., the translator
violates U.S. copyright law by making the translation, regardless whether
the translation is ever published.  There is no "personal use" or
"non-commercial" exception for complete translations of entire written
works (although the lack of commercial purpose may be a factor in a "fair
use" analysis); and in any event an assumed purpose of later publication
would eliminate the factual predicate to the non-extant exception anyway.

Depending on various assumptions about (a) through (c) and other facts, one
could come up with various answers up or down as either a legal or an
enforcement matter.  I don't intend to catalogue them.  I hope only to
forestall any mistaken impression among those reading this thread, that
pre-publication events and their locations needn't be consdered.  I don't
know why so many non-lawyer Americans focus on publication, but it's a
mistake to do so.  The very making of the translation, quite apart from its
publication, can be a violation of U.S. copyright law.  If the translation
is made in the U.S. of a U.S.-protected work, the language is irrelevant,
because languages are not proxies for countries, and ANY such translation,
not just translations into the languages of certain countries, is a
violation if unauthorized and not fair use.

I do note that Professor Cleminson was very precise on these points.  He
wrote that "a case of copyright infringement occurs where the material is
being used [not necessarily published] and a potential breach . . . occurs
[not necessarily where publication does, if ever], not where the
[source-language] material was created.  It is therefore necessary to
consult the laws of the country in which the translation is being **made,**
published and distributed."  My only quibble would be to suggest an "or" in
place of the last "and," but the alternative rather than cumulative "and"
might be understood as well.

Michael Trittipo
J.D. 1981
(Yes, I am a lawyer, and I have litigated copyright cases on both winning
and losing sides, but no, this is not legal advice, it's only background
information, and this sig is too long already.)

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From michael.younger2 at BAESYSTEMS.COM  Thu May 31 03:29:33 2001
From: michael.younger2 at BAESYSTEMS.COM (Michael Younger)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 22:29:33 -0500
Subject: History of Slavonic languages
Message-ID: <WED.30.MAY.2001.222933.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I think I read the comment differently than you do.  Rather than denigrating
the work that the professors in question have done, I see a hope expressed
that they will take the considerable work that they've done in collecting
materials and teaching and turn it into a good text (i.e., get it
published), in a field which may well be in need of good, accessible texts.
I hope so, too -- though I know it's an arduous and time-consuming task to
get materials ready for publication (!).  I think the recent discussion on
the list indicates there would be an interest in such a text.

Respectfully,

Michael Younger


-----Original Message-----
From: Rodney Patterson [mailto:krylya at HOTMAIL.COM]
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 2:44 PM
To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Re: History of Slavonic languages


I don't think Dean Worth was being "harsh" at all.  Look at Genevra's
sarcastic attempt at a put-down: "It's a great pity that these professors do
not find it worth their while to write an interesting History of Slavonic
Languages."  "These professors" have worked hard to make interesting
histories and have considered such work "worth their while."  They have
succeeded.  Scholars who are interested in the history of Slavic Languages
will find the work of "these professors" exhilarating.  People who are not
interested  may prefer an adventure novel.

Rodney L. Patterson
State University of New York, Albany

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From jpeschio at UMICH.EDU  Thu May 31 05:43:58 2001
From: jpeschio at UMICH.EDU (Joseph Peschio)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 01:43:58 -0400
Subject: Copyright Query -- English to Russian
In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20010530221337.0090f770@tritt002.email.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.31.MAY.2001.014358.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

In response to Mr. Trittipo's kind message:

"I don't know why so many non-lawyer Americans focus on publication"

My answer: "I don't intend to catalogue [the reasons]."

Perhaps as a lawyer you would be so kind as to point out to us silly
non-lawyers the language in US copyright law that unequivocally refers to
the making of translations as pertaining to acts other than publication?
"Conception" belongs to an entirely different branch of law as I understood
it...

Also - Maybe the thread should be clarified: I don't believe anyone was
talking about publishing Russian translations of American authors in the US
(languages are indeed not proxies for nations, though they often come very
close if they have an army).  Rather, it seems that advice for dealing with
the legal regime of the Russian Federation was being sought.  And, I beg
your pardon, but there seems to be rather little respect for American
copyright law in Russia (as per the 1973 treaty), not to mention juridical
cooperation.  As they say, "Zavtra v Cannes-e, vchera v Saratove."

In any case, many thanks for your expert advice.  I, for one, shall keep it
in mind.

Joe

p.s. - does "the factual predicate to the non-extant exception" actually
mean anything?

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From gthomson at MAC.COM  Thu May 31 07:39:39 2001
From: gthomson at MAC.COM (gthomson)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:09:39 +0430
Subject: Uzbeck
In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010530143611.00b91bc0@id44.mail.yale.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.31.MAY.2001.120939.0430.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

At 14:40 -0400 30/05/01, Irina Dolgova wrote:
>>Dear Seelangers!
>Could you, please, help to find an appropriate teaching materials for a
>motivated student who wants to study Uzbek on his own?
>Thank you for your help.
>Irina Dolgova

It seems to me that the first step would be to find an Uzbek, not to
find teaching materials. It may take a bit of effort, but languages
aren't found in teaching materials, they are found in the heads and
relationships of live people! So I would advise the person to put
first priority on finding and Uzbek, and second priority on finding
teaching materials. S/he may study Uzbek on his or his own, but
doesn't s/he also want to LEARN Uzbek? S/he can't do that on his or
her own.
Warmly,
Greg

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From wfr at SAS.AC.UK  Thu May 31 10:13:04 2001
From: wfr at SAS.AC.UK (william ryan)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 11:13:04 +0100
Subject: History of Slavonic languages
Message-ID: <THU.31.MAY.2001.111304.0100.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

In defence of Genevra, I think she was thinking of students rather than established scholars. Professors who already have an interest in the history
of the Slavonic languages probably don't care if the literature is fun or not, and anyway will have their own idea of what constitutes fun. The
problem in modern consumer-orientated universities is how to get students to opt for 'hard' topics if the literature is daunting (which it is) and
the students are ill-prepared in history, language, and linguistics. How one would go about writing amusing textbooks on this subject which are not
superficial is another matter - one can hardly adopt the '1066 and All That' approach. Perhaps there is no book-based solution, just good live
teaching.
Will Ryan
Warburg Institute


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From krylya at HOTMAIL.COM  Thu May 31 12:27:53 2001
From: krylya at HOTMAIL.COM (Rodney Patterson)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:27:53 -0400
Subject: History of Slavonic languages
Message-ID: <THU.31.MAY.2001.082753.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Matthew,
   Sounds as if it's a go. If you have that much to put out, I'd do the
metroland ad. I think the library gets away with the garage sale thing
because it isn't a store! So it wouldn't have sales tax to begin with--but
we do, and we have to skim the 8 percent off...or else do the tax outside,
which is a pain for the pennies.
   Is anyone else going to be there that Sat. to help--or just us? I could
ask Rod to see if Darryl and Greg (his former students who've helped before)
might come. What time does art on lark start? We need to be there earlier to
get things started or it is pretty zoo-ey. Also, Pat sometimes has come
earlier than usual so she can keep an eye on the inside.
   I'll try to dig up Mary's number and give her a ring. By the way, if you
have 2500 to send, send it now or it may not get there in time for this
fiscal year. YYou can always send more after the sale. Don't worry about the
amount. I think you are doing a fine job, and we all knew that this would be
a transitional year--many didn't think the store would stay at all after I
left...so this is all to the good.
  Thanks for everything.  Sally


>From: william ryan <wfr at SAS.AC.UK>
>Reply-To: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list
><SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
>To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
>Subject: Re: History of Slavonic languages
>Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 11:13:04 +0100
>
>In defence of Genevra, I think she was thinking of students rather than
>established scholars. Professors who already have an interest in the
>history
>of the Slavonic languages probably don't care if the literature is fun or
>not, and anyway will have their own idea of what constitutes fun. The
>problem in modern consumer-orientated universities is how to get students
>to opt for 'hard' topics if the literature is daunting (which it is) and
>the students are ill-prepared in history, language, and linguistics. How
>one would go about writing amusing textbooks on this subject which are not
>superficial is another matter - one can hardly adopt the '1066 and All
>That' approach. Perhaps there is no book-based solution, just good live
>teaching.
>Will Ryan
>Warburg Institute
>
>
>##################################################################
>W. F. Ryan, MA, DPhil, FBA, FSA
>Warburg Institute (School of Advanced Study, University of London)
>Woburn Square, LONDON  WC1H 0AB
>tel: 020 7862 8940 (direct)
>tel: 020 7862 8949 (switchboard)
>fax: 020 7862 8939
>Institute Webpage  http://www.sas.ac.uk/warburg/
>##################################################################
>
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From tritt002 at MAROON.TC.UMN.EDU  Thu May 31 12:53:40 2001
From: tritt002 at MAROON.TC.UMN.EDU (Michael Trittipo)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 07:53:40 -0500
Subject: Copyright Query -- English to Russian
In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010531014358.007a18f0@j.imap.itd.umich.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.31.MAY.2001.075340.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

<< Perhaps as a lawyer you would . . . point out . . . the language in US
copyright law that unequivocally refers to the making of translations as
pertaining to acts other than publication? >>

Sure.  I'll write again this evening.  This a.m. it's off to work, and the
statute books are there, anyway, not here, if I'm to quote dead-on.

<< "Conception" belongs to an entirely different branch of law ... >>

I don't recall using the word.  The classic copyright distinction (albeit
with some open points) is between idea and expression.

>Also - Maybe the thread should be clarified: I don't believe anyone was
>talking about publishing . . . Rather, it seems that advice for dealing with
>the legal regime of the Russian Federation was being sought.

That's why I quoted the original question.  It said nothing about what
country's laws; it merely mentioned a language.  That's why I make the
caution about the not-unforeseeable case of someone making an En>Ru xlation
in the US.  If the original question had said "under Russian law" or the
like, I'd not have answered.

>. . .  seems to be rather little respect for American
>copyright law in Russia . . .

Of that I have no doubt.  But US law can reach US translators and non-US
translators working in the US, regardless what their language pairs or
directions.

>p.s. - does "the factual predicate to the non-extant exception" actually
>mean anything?

Only if the sentence "Even if there were a legal exception as you say (but
it isn't), the facts that are required in order for it to apply don't
exist" does.

Til this evening.


Michael Trittipo
Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA
mailto:tritt002 at tc.umn.edu

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From aisrael at AMERICAN.EDU  Thu May 31 13:02:32 2001
From: aisrael at AMERICAN.EDU (Alina Israeli)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 06:02:32 -0700
Subject: Copyright Query -- English to Russian
Message-ID: <THU.31.MAY.2001.060232.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

>"I don't know why so many non-lawyer Americans focus on publication"

Probably because we assume that what we do in the privacy of our homes with
the text is of no concern to the government.

**************************************************************
Alina Israeli
LFS, American University                phone:  (202) 885-2387
4400 Mass. Ave., NW                     fax:    (202) 885-1076
Washington, DC 20016

aisrael at american.edu

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From kirao at WAM.UMD.EDU  Thu May 31 14:52:10 2001
From: kirao at WAM.UMD.EDU (Kira Gor)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 10:52:10 -0400
Subject: New M.A. in Russian and Second Language Acquisition and
 Application
Message-ID: <THU.31.MAY.2001.105210.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELANGers,

Please direct the interested students to the web page for the new M.A.
Program in Russian and Second Language Acquisition and Application at the
University of Maryland.
Thank you!

Kira Gor

===========

The foreign language departments at the University of Maryland at
College Park are pleased to announce a new interdisciplinary MA degree
in Second Language Acquisition and Application, starting in Fall 2001.

This two-year M.A. program has been designed for researchers, language
teachers, translators and interpreters, government service
professionals, social service employees, and all those interested in the
acquisition and application of languages other than English.

Students apply to a specific language department (French, German,
Russian and Spanish currently; Japanese and Chinese forthcoming) and
take advanced courses in that language as well as interdepartmental
courses in SLA.
For more information, see our website at:  www.umd.edu/slaa

============
Kira Gor
Department of Asian and East European
Languages and Cultures
University of Maryland
College Park, MD 20742

phone: 301-405-0185
fax: 301-314-9841

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From seej at VT.EDU  Thu May 31 16:15:03 2001
From: seej at VT.EDU (Christopher J. Syrnyk)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:15:03 -0400
Subject: History of Slavonic languages
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.91.1010530112542.13025C-100000@travelers.mail.cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.31.MAY.2001.121503.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Even though I am not a linguist, I have to agree with Wayles. Should
I assume that Wayles is referring to the Eleventh Scholarly Edition
of the E.B? Wayles, or do you simply refer us to the "latest" edtion?
As for Vinokur's book, the introduction alone is worth one's trouble.

Best,
Christopher Syrnyk

>I don't know of a completely enjoyable introduction to the history of
>the whole Sl. language group, although the article in the Encyclopaedia
>Britannica is far from bad. For Russian specifically, there is an engagingly
>written little book:
>The Russian language; a brief history [by]
>G. O. Vinokur. Translated by Mary A. Forsyth, edited by James Forsyth.
>                  Cambridge [Eng.] University Press, 1971.
>                  x, 146 p. maps. 22 cm.
>Best wishes,
>
>Wayles Browne, Assoc. Prof. of Linguistics
--
* * * * *
Christopher J. Syrnyk
Chief Editorial Assistant,
SLAVIC AND EAST EUROPEAN JOURNAL,
Department of Foreign Languages and Literatures
330 Major Williams Hall (0225)
Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
Blacksburg, VA 24061-0225 / USA
Phone: (540) 231-9846
FAX: (540) 231-4812

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From mllemily at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU  Thu May 31 13:24:45 2001
From: mllemily at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU (Emily Tall)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 13:24:45 +0000
Subject: money in St. Petersburg
Message-ID: <THU.31.MAY.2001.132445.0000.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

A colleague of mine is going to St. P. and wonders about the best way to
bring and obtain money. I know there was a thread about Moscow but I
didn't follow it and things may be different in St. P. Please reply
directly to my colleague at nitsche at acsu.buffalo.edu. He will be very
grateful as this is his first trip to Russia and he is nervous! Thanks!
Emily Tall

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From ewb2 at CORNELL.EDU  Thu May 31 17:25:20 2001
From: ewb2 at CORNELL.EDU (ewb2 at CORNELL.EDU)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 13:25:20 -0400
Subject: History of Slavonic languages
In-Reply-To: <p05001903b73c1d7310d3@[128.173.112.157]>
Message-ID: <THU.31.MAY.2001.132520.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Before 1970 or so, the Encyclopaedia Britannica had a good short
article on Slavic Languages by Horace Lunt, also good articles
on several of the individual languages.
In the 1970's they introduced the division into Micropaedia and
Macropaedia. Either immediately or soon thereafter, they commissioned
V.V.Ivanov to write an extensive article in the Languages of the World
section of the Macropaedia.
In 1995 they asked me to revise and update Ivanov's article. I
felt it was rather good already , and didn't see much that needed
changing, but I brought in some clarifications and
some updates, and the new version has been in the Encyclopaedia
since 1997 or 1998.

On Thu, 31 May 2001, Christopher J. Syrnyk wrote:

> Even though I am not a linguist, I have to agree with Wayles. Should
> I assume that Wayles is referring to the Eleventh Scholarly Edition
> of the E.B? Wayles, or do you simply refer us to the "latest" edtion?
> As for Vinokur's book, the introduction alone is worth one's trouble.
>
> Best,
> Christopher Syrnyk
>
> >I don't know of a completely enjoyable introduction to the history of
> >the whole Sl. language group, although the article in the Encyclopaedia
> >Britannica is far from bad. For Russian specifically, there is an engagingly
> >written little book:
> >The Russian language; a brief history [by]
> >G. O. Vinokur. Translated by Mary A. Forsyth, edited by James Forsyth.
> >                  Cambridge [Eng.] University Press, 1971.
> >                  x, 146 p. maps. 22 cm.
> >Best wishes,
> >
> >Wayles Browne, Assoc. Prof. of Linguistics
Department of Linguistics
Morrill Hall 220, Cornell University
Ithaca, New York 14853, U.S.A.

tel. 607-255-0712 (o), 607-273-3009 (h)
fax 607-255-2044 (write FOR W. BROWNE)
e-mail ewb2 at cornell.edu

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