From sao15 at COLUMBIA.EDU Sat Sep 1 03:04:36 2001 From: sao15 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Serguei Alex. Oushakine) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 23:04:36 -0400 Subject: Library of Congress Kluge Fellowship Competition (Applicants may be U.S. citizens or foreign nationals) Message-ID: Library of Congress Kluge Fellowship Competition Deadline for receipt of applications at the Library: September 30, 2001 Kluge Fellowships are for residential research in the collections of the Library of Congress. Fellowships are for period of from six to twelve months with a stipend of $3,500 per month. Eligibility: Scholars who have received a terminal advanced degree within the past seven years in the humanities, the social sciences, or in a professional field such as architecture or law are eligible. Exceptions may be made for individuals without continuous academic careers. Applicants may be U.S. citizens or foreign nationals. Applications: the application form and reference form may be printed from the website www.loc.gov/kluge. Applications must include a three-page single-spaced research proposal, a two-page curriculum vitae indicating major prior scholarship, an indication of the collections at the Library of Congress that will be used for research, and two letters of reference from individuals who know the quality of the applicant's scholarship. All application materials must be written in English. Language certification: For applicants whose native language is not English, there must be evidence that the applicant is fluent in English so as easily to conduct research, discuss work with colleagues and make a public presentation, although the ultimate product of the research may be written in the applicant's native language. For English speakers who seek to do research in the Library's foreign language collections, there must be evidence that they have a command of the relevant language or languages at the level requisite for serious research. Awards: Up to 12 Kluge Fellowships will be awarded annually. Awards are announced no later than March 15 of the year following that in which the application was submitted. For further information, contact the Office of Scholarly Programs, Library of Congress at: scholarly at loc.gov or 202-707-3302 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Mogens.Jensen at SKOLEKOM.DK Sun Sep 2 10:00:57 2001 From: Mogens.Jensen at SKOLEKOM.DK (Mogens Jensen) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 12:00:57 +0200 Subject: Win2000 Transliterated Keyboard In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20010824152621.00b0f5d8@mail.binghamton.edu> Message-ID: Yes - the keyboard files from NT work well in Win2k. - But it can be difficult to persuade the system to keep them. One way is tol copy the files in DOS mode. Mogens Jensen, Denmark. SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU writes: >Greetings. >Does anyone know if the Windows NT files for the Russian transliterated >keyboard can be used in Windows2000? The keyboard files seem to have a >different extension (dll) for Win2000 than they had for Win95/98 (kbd). >If anyone knows of a web site where I can download the appropriate file, >I'd be glad to hear from you. >Thanks, >Don Loewen > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription > options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: > http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From d-powelstock at UCHICAGO.EDU Sun Sep 2 15:47:46 2001 From: d-powelstock at UCHICAGO.EDU (David Powelstock) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 10:47:46 -0500 Subject: Query: Soviet Critic A. Ragozin Message-ID: Dear SEELANZHTSY, I am trying to learn more about one "A. Ragozin," who wrote a remarkable Pravda editorial in August 1939, criticizing Soviet critics' overapplication of laudatory cliches to classic authors. (He was especially harsh on "vulgar narodnost'," which appropriated nearly every author as a "people's" writer.) The only other reference I could find was in a denunciation of the _Literaturnyi kritik_ group (10 February 1940), which speaks of one "Ragozin" (no first initial) as a a "critic close to" _Litkritik_, mentioning that he had recently been arrested. What searching I have done--turning up a variety of *other* Ragozins--suggests that this "Ragozin" is almost beyond a doubt the "A. Ragozin" of the _Pravda_ editorial. I cannot tell whether he is related to the chess grandmaster Viach. Vassilievich, the critic Kseniia; or (in the 19th c.) industrialists/brothers Viktor & Evgenii Ivanovich or emigree "orientalist" Zenaida Alekseevna. I would be most grateful if anyone can tell me *anything* about this guy, his work, his dates, his fate--his patronymic (or even its initial). Sources I have searched: -- various library catalogs (seems he wrote no books) -- the web (pretty extensively) -- lots of lit on literary criticism & culture in 1930s I have not been in a location where I can consult either the _LIteraturnaia entsiklopediia_ of the 1930s or the _Kratkaia literaturnaia entsiklopediia_ of the 1960s. Ragozin might have contributed to the former. I doubt, however, that he, seeming to have been a minor figure, would be mentioned in an entry in either. (If anyone has these close at hand and could check w/o too much trouble, I would be extremely grateful.) Fraternally, looking for clues, david David Powelstock University of Chicago d-powelstock at uchicago.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From elenakh at RCCD.CC.CA.US Mon Sep 3 19:32:45 2001 From: elenakh at RCCD.CC.CA.US (elenakh at RCCD.CC.CA.US) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 12:32:45 -0700 Subject: Microsoft Outlook/Russian Message-ID: Dear SEELANGers Please help me to solve these problems!!! When I was using Outlook Express for my email, I could write, receive messages, and read in Russian. A few days ago I switched into Microsoft Outlook. And here are my problems: I cannot read Russian, all the messages come with ?????? signs instead of Russian, and I cannot spellcheck Russian either. However, I am able to write in Russian in my message. But the messages come to the students with ???? instead of Russian. What is going on? Do you know what I can do to fix all these problems? Please help. thank you in advance. Elena Kobzeva-Herzog Assistant Professor Spanish/Russian elenakh at rccd.cc.ca.us (909) 222-8287 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From candide at MAIL.IO.COM Mon Sep 3 21:45:46 2001 From: candide at MAIL.IO.COM (Pangloss Publishing) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 16:45:46 -0500 Subject: HAPPY MOSCOW In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Robert, Thanks very much for mailing me a copy of Happy Moscow. I sat down and read the introduction as soon as it arrived and learned some things that will help me with The Hidden Man. I read HM in Russian a couple of years ago and didn't like it as much as I'd hoped but am finding in reading your translation that I missed a lot. We read The Foundation Pit in the same class, and I greatly preferred it, in no small part, I imagine, because I had your English translation to refer to. It was interesting, though, that none of the Russian students (8 students, about half Russian, half American) liked Platonov at all, whereas I was drawn to The Foundation Pit more than anything else we read in that period. Calling the local bookstores, I've learned that most are aware of the upcoming Happy Moscow; it must be included in Harvill's mass marketing program. I'm going to the university library tomorrow and will fill out a request for it there as I did for The Return, which they did purchase. Beyond that, I'll do what I can--creating a market for Platonov in the US is a goal of mine too. I thought I had your mailing address, Robert, but haven't been able to find it--could you please send it to me again, and I'll send you the handful of return comments on Dzhan that might still be useful. Best wishes, and thanks again for including me in your list of advance copies, Jane ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Piligrim at INFOPRO.SPB.SU Tue Sep 4 06:50:44 2001 From: Piligrim at INFOPRO.SPB.SU (Piligrim) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:50:44 +0400 Subject: The denial of the misinforming about the Russian Humanitarian-Cultural center "Piligrim". Message-ID: The denial of the misinforming about the Russian Humanitarian-Cultural center "Piligrim". Dear Mrs.Nedoresow and Mrs.Nepomnyshaya,and all those madams and sirs who were under misapprehension after reading your e-mails from 12.06.01 and 26.07.01! Due to the peculiarity of my job(almost all summer I spent in business trips)only a few days ago I have received information ,that our Humanitarian-Cultural center ,the head of which I happen to be,continues being in the center of attention and its activities was interpreted again as "inexperience". After I read "A word of warning"written by Mrs.Nedoresow from 12.06.01 ,I have discussed it with my collegues and they advised me not to reply,because such an aggressive style is rather far from the principles and rules of a professional discussion. Indeed,what a correctly thinking person will allow himself to call a whole nation incivilized or will seriously believe that in modern Russia"Tourist,especially an American tourist equals enemy". And what about the description of Mrs.Nedoresow`s and her husband`s stay in Saint-Petersburg!This is a real thriller:"Saint-Petersburg proved to be a nightmare from start to finish┘."etc. Dear Mrs.Nedoresow,due to my work I have to travel a lot and if I wished I could have compared with you in the genre of " a black nightmare"and write some sketches.For example,how I was robbed twice in my favourite London(once even at the 4-stars hotel )how in Rome my negotiations were wrecked with big losses for me because the telephone in the hotel was not working during all my stay(more than a week)┘. But ,for the first,I have no time-alas!-(or maybe fortunately)for this fiction;and the second reason(though I,according to your logics, belong to one of those incivilized representatives of my country) is that I and my friends are enough educated to understand that all these separate facts don't allow us to consider that England is the land of thieves, or,for example ,think that Italians are the nation of idlers and etc. In general,each educated and intelligent person can easily understand this and I am not going to be involved into a correspondence discussing why Mrs.Nedoresow hates my poor Russia so much. But now,when the letter of Mrs.Nepomnyashaya appeared , again concerning the "Piligrim",I think myself obliged , as the head of the company,to answer in the essence. Well,lets give up emotions and address to the facts: -During the long period of time two of my employees corresponded with Mrs. Nedorezow concerning all details of her stay in Saint Petersburg. - To the owner of the apartment which Madam Nedorezova wanted to rent, "Piligrim" had given the preliminary payment. - Unfortunately, the owner of the apartment had to leave urgently for a long business trip and as a consequence of this , the contract with "Piligrim"was interrupted. (by the way, this, that is the truth, my employee has told you, instead of that you have composed for yourselves and others.) - What happened is not so good, but, unfortunately, similar situations rather frequently meet in tourism (and not only in Russia). - In such situations especially important is how the company, which, actually, negotiated with the client, behaves and reacts, because it is the only one responsible in such cases. So, dear Mrs. Nedorezow, "Piligrim" made maximum possible in these conditions: - You were offered in the shortest terms in June (it is , as you know, the high season in Saint Petersburg) another apartment in the centre of Saint Petersburg almost similar to the previous one. - The apartment was offered for rent under the same price, as previous, but "Piligrim" , at a loss to itself, as a compensation has reduced your rent by 10 dollars per day. - Besides,as a compensation , the car for a meeting at the railway station was given to you free-of-charge. But this seemed not enough for you. In оrder to revenge for yards, dark ladders of St. Petersburg "The entry was dark and littered with trash,the stairs were in total disrepair and a safety hazard,the closet-sized elevator reeked of urine┘."you have decided to demand from "Piligrim" free-of-charge transfer to the railway station, and this, indeed, we didn't agree to give. For such situations there is a good English expression"Too much┘." Lets turn now to Mrs.Nepomnyashaya: I appreciate,Cathy,that you "would be faster to accuse"us" of inexperience than of malice ordishonesty." But I cant agree with your opinion about our"inexperience". "Piligrim"has launched dozens of conferences during its 10 years of existence and we have received many warm words from your collegues in Germany,England ,Switzeland,Usa and etc. In the application forms which we deliver to our participants we always exactly indicate all supposed conditions of accommodation , feeding and cultural program . As a rule, alternative variants are offered,so ,what you are writing in your e-mail"make sure exactly what you are paying for"is what we always do ask our customers to do. The prices which are offered by the "Piligrim", are much lower than the so-called "open" prices in hotels and cafes (For example, at our last conference in June, 2001 to participants were suggested the following prices in an operating time of the conference: The Hotel "Sovietskaya" -a place in a DBL - 26 USA dollars per day(the "open" prices of hotel from 51 USA dollars and higher; The Hotel " Vyborgskaya" -a place in a DBL- 10 USA dollars with the "open" prices of hotel from 20 dollars and higher). What impressed me unpleasantly in your letter: -Absolute absence of any facts (in Russia this refers to "slander") - that you didn`t tell about your displeasures to me during your stay in Russia, and have preferred to make 2 years after and behind my back (in Russia this also refers as a negative word). As you have left me in full bewilderment what was wrong during your stay in Russia, I have lifted correspondence with you for this period and have interrogated all employees who here served you. What I have found out: -Actually conference, in which you participated, passed in Moscow and St. Petersburg from May, 29 till June, 2, 1999. - You asked " Piligrim"to send a visa invitation for you from May, 20 till June, 20, and we have made it.We made an act of Good will for you having done invitations for more days then the operating time of the conference was. - "Piligrim" also has sent the invitation for your husband, having not any attitude to the conference.Besides,we did not take from him any registration fee. - Because of our kind feelings to you, my employees took you and your husband shopping, typed on a computer (by the way, at night because days of work of conference are filled up to a limit) the hand-written text of your report. And there are a lot of such things to remind you, Cathy┘. The things, which none of the tourist companies would have done for you according to the formal rules. But we acted from the bottom of the heart┘ - Before your visit to Russia you have filled in the detailed application form where you pointed, what hotel you choose, the cultural program, whether you go to Moscow or not and so on.. And before arrival to Russia you exactly knew (we keep all correspondence) what you are paying for. I think you as Mrs. Nedoresow have unexplained hatred to Russia, and( what is especially sad) to the attempts of the new civilized approach to the organization of cultural projects. May be you have a nostalgia on socialism when all in Russia was free-of-charge? In that case, as well as with Mrs. Nedorezow, " Piligrim"cant help you . We cant - alas! - quickly repair all Russian yards and ladders. We cant also (and do not want) to take money from the tax-payers (that is the last from grandmothers, children, everyone to whom it is bad now in the country) on the edition of free-of-charge conferences. I think, by the way, that in the nearest future in Russia will be ever less and less free-of-charge events┘ I apologize to everyone who had to read all this verbosity. I hope very much that I wouldn`t have to write on this topic anymore and we will correspond only concerning new conferences . With best regards, The director of Humanitarian-Cultural centre "Piligrim" Sergeeva Galina Petrovna From: Catharine Nepomnyashchy To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU Date: Thursday, July 26, 2001, 7:34:08 PM Subject: Moscow and St. Petersburg for the non-Russian Files: --====----====----====----====----====----====----====----====----====----===-- I am jumping very belatedly into this discussion, despite the fact that others have already pointed out that Alla Nedoresow's "mistake" was in the choice of travel agent, because I believe that conferences for which Piligrim does arrangements are periodically advertised on this listserve, and I'd like to warn people again to be wary in their dealings with them. I will say that, based on my own experience attending the Pushkin jubilee two years ago, for which Piligrim did many, but not all of the arrangements, I would be faster to accuse them of inexperience than of malice or dishonesty. Still, if you choose to attend a conference in which they are involved, make sure you know exactly what you are paying for, and be ready to pay top dollar for extremely poor accomodations, etc. In fact, I would suggest that if you choose to attend such a conference, you bypass Piligrim completely and make your own reservations. On the other hand, we did enjoy a wonderful trip to Mikhailovskoe arranged by Piligrim, so they're not all bad. Cathy On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Alla Nedoresow wrote: > A word of warning to anyone preparing to go to either Moscow or St. Petersburg without a reasonable command of Russian and/or very close Russian friends there. My husband and I have just returned from two of the most miserable weeks we've ever spent - anywhere. I speak Russian, he does not and that seems to make all the difference in the world. Tourist, especially American tourist, equals "enemy," thus anything goes, all manner of chicanery. The xenophobic "them" and "us" perspective ruled in Moscow from the airport and its taxi drivers, to the Kremlin and its ticket booths, and everything in between except for the lovely hotel, the Moscow Marriott Royal, in which we stayed thanks to my husband's Marriott points. St. Petersburg proved to be an nightmare from start to finish. The "humanitarian-cultural center" Piligrim that solicited my patronage on March 22 from a notice submitted to this listing: > > > I represent the Humanitarian-cultural center "Piligrim" based in > > St.Petersburg. We are specializing in receiving groups and individual > > tourists in St.Petersburg and can provide you with the required services > at > > considerable prices. As for accomodation we can offer private appartments, > > hotels for students and rooms in St.Petersburg hotels (*** to *****). > > You can advise us what amount of money you are ready to spend for your > > acommodation and we can choose the suitable accomodation for you. > > started the ball rolling. I made a call to them from Moscow, a few days beforehand, to confirm our arrival in St. Petersburg. No mention was made at the time that "the suitable 'accomodation'" that we had chosen and for which we wired American cash to them as a deposit, alas, could not be rented to us because the owner (suddenly?) decided a longer-term rental would prove more profitable. The apartment on which we had agreed was five minutes walk from the train station. The apartment assigned to us was near the Neva and a good hike from any metro station. The entry was dark and littered with trash, the stairs were in total disrepair and a safety hazard, the closet-sized elevator reeked of urine - everyday during our week's stay there. When my husband mentioned our displeasure with the situation, he also remarked that at the end of our stay, we should not be charged for the ride back to the train station. We heard nothing more from this "humanitarian-cultural center" until t! he day before our departure. At that time we were informed that "the manager would not let the driver" take us to the train station for free and were given the number of a taxi company. Nadia left the entire task of making the arrangements to us/me after stating some "agreed-upon fee" that proved entirely fictitious, and not in our favor, either! The farce continued up to and including the taxi ride arranged in St. Petersburg with Moscow Taxi to take us from the train station back to Sheremetevo. Theoretically a reputable taxi company, they too stated one fare and charged an entirely different, higher fare. Our sojourn at the airport needs no comment. It simply provided the expected, carnival conclusion to the grotesque nightmare of the preceding two weeks. > > Once again, I share this experience in order to forewarn those planning to set off to Russia on their own for the first time. If you have any illusions that you're going to a civilized country, I would like to disabuse you of them. In what western nation can "individual tourists" enjoy the experience of being ushered into the wrong apartment through trash and darkness, up broken stairs and a urine-scented lift? My husband was certainly impressed by all the new experiences Moscow and St. Petersburg afforded him. And for those imagining that this was my first time in Russia, you're sadly mistaken. > > Alla > > Alla Nedoresow > 102 School Lane > Trenton, NJ 08618-5021 USA > alla-n at home.com > +1 609 392-5231 mailto:Piligrim at infopro.spb.su ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From AHRJJ at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU Tue Sep 4 08:05:41 2001 From: AHRJJ at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (Alex Rudd) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 04:05:41 EDT Subject: The denial of the misinforming about the Russian Humanitarian-Cultural center "Piligrim". In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:50:44 +0400 from Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:50:44 +0400 Piligrim said: >I apologize to everyone who had to read all this verbosity. I hope >very much that I wouldn`t have to write on this topic anymore and >we will correspond only concerning new conferences. Folks, Let's please keep any replies to this message *off* the list. SEELANGS is not the appropriate forum to be discussing the pros and cons of individual businesses in any great depth. Thanks. - Alex, list owner of SEELANGS seelangs-request at listserv.cuny.edu .................................................................... Alex Rudd ahrjj at cunyvm.cuny.edu ARS KA2ZOO {Standard Disclaimer} http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rrobin at GWU.EDU Tue Sep 4 13:44:57 2001 From: rrobin at GWU.EDU (Richard Robin) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 09:44:57 -0400 Subject: Microsoft Outlook/Russian Message-ID: "When I was using Outlook Express for my email, I could write, receive messages, and read in Russian. A few days ago I switched into Microsoft Outlook. I cannot read Russian..." The simple answer is: Outlook Express can do Russian. Outlook cannot, unless you are an expert in encodings (koi8, Windows Cyrillic 1251, Unicode, etc.). And even then, it's a royal pain. I don't profess to be an encodings expert at the programmatic level, but I have gained through trail and error a considerable amount of expertise in Cyrillic encodings. But with Outlook (not Express) it's has been lots of trial and mostly error. A year ago, I switched from Netscape Messenger to Outlook because Netscape had such difficulties doing e-mail in "Windows" Cyrillic. It insisted on converting everything to koi8 (the e-mail standard - with millions of religiously fervent adherents). The workaround for koi8 was cumbersome. But Outlook was far worse. Only after lots and lots of tweaking was I able to get and send messages more or less reliably. (Emphasis on "more or LESS,") And even so, Russian header information (Russian Cyrillic names, topic information) was always hopelessly mangled. Outlook also corrupted Cyrillic information in my address book and contact list. Some on-line Cyrillicize-your-PC usent group postings indicated that there were numerous bugs in encoding conversions for Outlook and that successive versions were getting worse, not better. The ultimate solution for Outlook: install a local Russian version of Windows. (No thanks.) So I gave up and went back to Outlook Express, where the user can fairly easily get contrrol of encodings. In most cases Outlook Express know how to read e-mail's hidden "charset" line, which means that Cyrillic e-mail sent to you almost always shows up correctly, no matter what the origin. If not, you simple go to View => Encoding and try each Cyrillic encoding until you message is readable. (It's almost always koi8 or Windows Cyrillic - 1251; occasionally Unicode - UTF8). The process in Outlook is less transparent and rather unreliable. Plus, outside of the Cyrillic issues, Outlook is a very "heavy" program, at least on my three computers. It overloads them, causing frequent crashes. I suffered with Outlook for about two weeks and then switched to Express. -Rich _______________________________ Richard Robin Chair, German and Slavic Department The George Washington University Washington, DC 20052 phone: 202-994-7081 fax: 202-994-0171 Читаю по-русски в любой кодировке. Chitayu po-russki v lyuboi kodirovke. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 3:32 PM Subject: Microsoft Outlook/Russian Dear SEELANGers Please help me to solve these problems!!! When I was using Outlook Express for my email, I could write, receive messages, and read in Russian. A few days ago I switched into Microsoft Outlook. And here are my problems: I cannot read Russian, all the messages come with ?????? signs instead of Russian, and I cannot spellcheck Russian either. However, I am able to write in Russian in my message. But the messages come to the students with ???? instead of Russian. What is going on? Do you know what I can do to fix all these problems? Please help. thank you in advance. Elena Kobzeva-Herzog Assistant Professor Spanish/Russian elenakh at rccd.cc.ca.us (909) 222-8287 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sforres1 at SWARTHMORE.EDU Tue Sep 4 13:59:23 2001 From: sforres1 at SWARTHMORE.EDU (Sibelan Forrester) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 09:59:23 -0400 Subject: free books (if you pay postage) Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, Finally admitted that I will never use these, but will be happy to mail to anyone who could use. Please forgive transliteration lapses: Jazep Lesik, Gramatyka belaruskae movy -- Fonetyka (Vydana Koshtam Autara, Mensk, 1926) F. Jankouski, Gistarychnaia gramatyka belaruskaj movy (Minsk, "Vyshejshaia shkola", 1983) E. Turkina, Latviesu-Anglu Vardnica, 4. parstradats izdevums (Riga, "Avots," 1982) V. Berzina-Baltina, Latviesu Valodas Gramatika: Skolai un pasmacibai (Amerikas Latviesu Apvieniba, 1973) Pawol Volkel, Hornjiserbsko-nemski slownik/Obersorbisch-deutsches Woerterbuch (Prawopisny slownik hornjoserbskeje rece) (Budysin, Ludowe nakladnistwo Domowina, 1981) Please e-mail me at , do not reply to the whole list. Sibelan Forrester Russian/Modern Languages and Literatures Swarthmore College ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From e.gapova at WORLDNET.ATT.NET Tue Sep 4 13:41:17 2001 From: e.gapova at WORLDNET.ATT.NET (Elena Gapova) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 09:41:17 -0400 Subject: free books (if you pay postage) Message-ID: Dear Sibelan, i'd love to have belarusian grammar books - how can I reimburse (and also "shipping")? e ----- Original Message ----- From: Sibelan Forrester To: Sent: 4 September 2001 9:59 AM Subject: free books (if you pay postage) > Dear Colleagues, > > Finally admitted that I will never use these, but will be happy to > mail to anyone who could use. Please forgive transliteration lapses: > > Jazep Lesik, Gramatyka belaruskae movy -- Fonetyka (Vydana Koshtam > Autara, Mensk, 1926) > > F. Jankouski, Gistarychnaia gramatyka belaruskaj movy (Minsk, > "Vyshejshaia shkola", 1983) > > E. Turkina, Latviesu-Anglu Vardnica, 4. parstradats izdevums (Riga, > "Avots," 1982) > > V. Berzina-Baltina, Latviesu Valodas Gramatika: Skolai un pasmacibai > (Amerikas Latviesu Apvieniba, 1973) > > Pawol Volkel, Hornjiserbsko-nemski slownik/Obersorbisch-deutsches > Woerterbuch (Prawopisny slownik hornjoserbskeje rece) (Budysin, > Ludowe nakladnistwo Domowina, 1981) > > Please e-mail me at , do not reply to the whole list. > > > Sibelan Forrester > Russian/Modern Languages and Literatures > Swarthmore College > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription > options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: > http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.jameson at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Tue Sep 4 14:54:05 2001 From: a.jameson at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Andrew Jameson) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:54:05 +0100 Subject: Fw: Fedin and Slonimsky: a request for assistance Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: D.Shepherd To: Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 2:57 PM Subject: Fedin and Slonimsky: a request for assistance Please reply directly to Christine A. Rydel (). I am currently editing two volumes in the series, Dictionary of Literary Biography, one of which is entitled, Russian Prose Writers Between the Wars. Unfortunately one of my contributors is unable to write two essays, one on Konstantin Aleksandrovich Fedin (6,000 words exclusive of bibliography) and another on Mikhail Leonidovich Slonimsky (3,500 words exclusive of bibliography). My immutable deadline is 1 October 2001. However, I can extend a deadline for these two essays only until 15 October. The payment is minimal ($120.00 for the Fedin and $70.00 for the Slonimsky). The essays are mainly biographical, with discussion of the works interpolated at appropriate junctures. I urgently seek a contributor or contributors who will be able to work under the pressures of an unreasonable deadline. Thank you for your serious consideration of my urgent appeal. Christine A. Rydel Professor of Russian Grand Valley State University Allendale, Michigan 49401 USA rydelc at gvsu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From russell-valentino at UIOWA.EDU Tue Sep 4 15:49:34 2001 From: russell-valentino at UIOWA.EDU (Russell Valentino) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:49:34 -0500 Subject: three Russian questions Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, I'm reading a contemporary short story that poses a few lexical problems. Can anyone tell me whether the Russian word "menty" might be used as slang for the police? Second, does anyone know what TsSKA stands for? Could it be a soccer team? Finally, could the word for stable, "koniushnia," be used as a term of abuse to refer to a person or a group of people, something like "lackeys" or "stable boys"? I would appreciate any helpful input you might be able to offer. Russell Valentino ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From norafavorov at EARTHLINK.NET Tue Sep 4 16:01:51 2001 From: norafavorov at EARTHLINK.NET (Nora Favorov) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 12:01:51 -0400 Subject: three Russian questions Message-ID: I can only help you outo with your acronym, thanks to the wondeful site, www.sokr.ru, which provides the following translation: Центральный спортивный клуб армии (tsentral;nyj sportivnyj klub armii). Good luck with the others! Nora S. Favorov Administrator Slavic Languages Division of ATA 8364 Amber Oak Dr. Orlando, FL 32817 Tel. 407-679-8151 Fax 646-205-9300 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Valentino" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 11:49 AM Subject: three Russian questions > Dear Colleagues, > > I'm reading a contemporary short story that poses a few lexical problems. > Can anyone tell me whether the Russian word "menty" might be used as slang > for the police? Second, does anyone know what TsSKA stands for? Could it be > a soccer team? Finally, could the word for stable, "koniushnia," be used as > a term of abuse to refer to a person or a group of people, something like > "lackeys" or "stable boys"? > > I would appreciate any helpful input you might be able to offer. > > Russell Valentino > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription > options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: > http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From shura at SK.SYMPATICO.CA Tue Sep 4 16:04:04 2001 From: shura at SK.SYMPATICO.CA (Alexandra Popoff) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:04:04 -0600 Subject: three Russian questions Message-ID: You are correct: "menty" stands for police (the word has been around for decades); TsSKa is a soccer team (remember "Spartak"?) As for "konyushnya", it's hard for me to define this word separately from the context. Alexandra Popoff Russell Valentino wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > I'm reading a contemporary short story that poses a few lexical problems. > Can anyone tell me whether the Russian word "menty" might be used as slang > for the police? Second, does anyone know what TsSKA stands for? Could it be > a soccer team? Finally, could the word for stable, "koniushnia," be used as > a term of abuse to refer to a person or a group of people, something like > "lackeys" or "stable boys"? > > I would appreciate any helpful input you might be able to offer. > > Russell Valentino > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription > options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: > http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From zielinski at ECONOPHONE.CH Tue Sep 4 16:10:51 2001 From: zielinski at ECONOPHONE.CH (Zielinski) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 18:10:51 +0200 Subject: three Russian questions Message-ID: > Can anyone tell me whether the Russian word "menty" might be used as slang > for the police? Surely. It's used in the same meaning in Polish jail slang. Jan Zielinski ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dumanis at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU Tue Sep 4 16:27:12 2001 From: dumanis at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU (Edward M Dumanis) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 12:27:12 -0400 Subject: three Russian questions In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010904104218.00a4d650@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Russell Valentino wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > I'm reading a contemporary short story that poses a few lexical problems. > Can anyone tell me whether the Russian word "menty" might be used as slang > for the police? Yes. > Second, does anyone know what TsSKA stands for? Tsentral'nyj Sportivnyj Klub Armii > Could it be a soccer team? It could be any team of that club including a soccer team, hockey team, and so on. > Finally, could the word for stable, "koniushnia," be used as > a term of abuse to refer to a person or a group of people, something like > "lackeys" or "stable boys"? Not to a person but rather to a situation. Edward Dumanis ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From vandusen at ACTR.ORG Tue Sep 4 16:19:41 2001 From: vandusen at ACTR.ORG (Irina VanDusen) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 12:19:41 -0400 Subject: three Russian questions Message-ID: The TSKA is an acronym for "Army Sports Club". The team was referred to as "koni" in slang, maybe referring to the times when army/police were riding horses. This is why I think "konushnya" might refer to the TSKA team and/or its fans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From alexei.bogdanov at COLORADO.EDU Tue Sep 4 16:23:20 2001 From: alexei.bogdanov at COLORADO.EDU (Alexei Bogdanov) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:23:20 -0600 Subject: three Russian questions Message-ID: "Koniushnia" has been used with reference to TsSKA by other teams' fans, especially by Spartak people. Collectively, TsSKA players are "koni" in that context. Hope this helps. Alexei ----- Original Message ----- From: Russell Valentino To: Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 9:49 AM Subject: three Russian questions > Dear Colleagues, > > I'm reading a contemporary short story that poses a few lexical problems. > Can anyone tell me whether the Russian word "menty" might be used as slang > for the police? Second, does anyone know what TsSKA stands for? Could it be > a soccer team? Finally, could the word for stable, "koniushnia," be used as > a term of abuse to refer to a person or a group of people, something like > "lackeys" or "stable boys"? > > I would appreciate any helpful input you might be able to offer. > > Russell Valentino > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription > options, and more. 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If you are interested in presenting at the conference, please send a one-page abstract of your proposed talk by October 15, 2001 to: Professor Robert Greenberg Dept. of Slavic Languages and Literatures University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3165 For questions - e-mail us at: Ivana Vuletic: ivuletic at email.unc.edu Curt Ford: curtf at email.unc.edu Robert Greenberg: greenberg at unc.edu Organizing committee -------------------------------------------------------- Marc L. Greenberg Chair and Professor of Slavic Languages & Literatures Dept. of Slavic Languages and Literatures University of Kansas 1445 Jayhawk Blvd., Room 2134 Lawrence, KS 66045-7590 USA Tel. and voice-mail: (785) 864-2349 Fax: (785) 864-4298 (write ATTN: Marc L. Greenberg, Slavic Dept.) E-mail: mlg at ku.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. 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Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ewb2 at CORNELL.EDU Tue Sep 4 21:42:57 2001 From: ewb2 at CORNELL.EDU (Wayles Browne) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:42:57 -0400 Subject: OCS In-Reply-To: <200109042102.f84L28p12568@rcf-fs.usc.edu> Message-ID: >Dear Colleagues, > I would like to find out when the label "Old Church Slav(on)ic" >began to be used. My impression is that "staro-tserkovno- >slavianskii" only gained currency in the later 19th century (perhaps >by analogy to other "old" languages?). Can any of you help here? > Thanks, > M. Levitt > From the Oxford English Dictionary under Slavic: 1876 Whitney Language and its Study vi. 214 Old Slavonic, or the Church Slavic, having been adopted by a large part of the Slavonian races as their sacred language. From ibid. under Church: 1850 Talvi Lang. & Lit; Slavic Nations i. 25 (heading) History of the Old or *Church Slavic (commonly called Slavonic) language and literature. 1853 J. S. C. de Radius Lang. Slavic Nations i. 14 The *Church Slavonic proved to be an older branch of the original Slavic. (Talvi, or Talvj, was the pen-name of a German-American writer and translator, Therese Albertine Louise van Jakob, who beginning in the 1830's published the first reliable information about Slavic languages and literatures ever to have appeared in North America, so far as I know.) -- Wayles Browne, Assoc. Prof. of Linguistics Department of Linguistics Morrill Hall 220, Cornell University Ithaca, New York 14853, U.S.A. tel. 607-255-0712 (o), 607-273-3009 (h) fax 607-255-2044 (write FOR W. BROWNE) e-mail ewb2 at cornell.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. 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Oushakine) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 23:57:28 -0400 Subject: CFP: The Third Annual Graduate Symposium on Women's and Gender History (U of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign) Message-ID: The Third Annual Graduate Symposium on Women's and Gender History, a multi-disciplinary conference at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, announces a Call for Papers. Location: Illinois Deadline: 2001-10-31 Description: The Third Annual Graduate Symposium on Women's and Gender History, a multi-disciplinary conference at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, announces a Call for Papers. The Symposium, which is intended to kick off the activities on campus in celebration of Women's History Month, is schedul ... 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At 09:31 PM 9/4/2001 -0400, you wrote: >dear seelangs -- could you tell me how i could go about getting removed from >the seelangs e-mail list. much appreciated >sasha ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mlg at KU.EDU Wed Sep 5 14:12:38 2001 From: mlg at KU.EDU (Greenberg, Marc L) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:12:38 -0500 Subject: University of Kansas Slavic Department - Grad. Fellowships and GT A positions available Message-ID: The Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures at the University of Kansas is pleased to announce the availability of Foreign Language and Area Studies fellowships (FLAS), University Fellowships, and Graduate Teaching Assistantships for graduate study leading to the MA and PhD degrees in Slavic Languages and Literatures at the University of Kansas. These awards are given on a competitive basis. For further details, see our website at or contact: Professor Stephen J. Parker Director of Graduate Studies Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures University of Kansas 1445 Jayhawk Blvd., Room 2134 Lawrence, KS 66045-7590 E-mail: sjp at ku.edu Tel. (785) 864-3313 GTA positions are available in Russian, and occasionally Polish and Croatian/Serbian. Interested candidates should write a letter expressing their interest in a position to either Prof. Parker or Prof. Greenberg (address below) by the end of Feb. 2002 for appointments to begin in August 2002. The University of Kansas is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action Employer. The University encourages applications from underrepresented group members. Federal and state legislation prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, religion, color, national origin, ancestry, sex, age, disability, and veteran status. In addition, University policies prohibit discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, marital status, and parental status. -------------------------------------------------------- Marc L. Greenberg Chair and Professor of Slavic Languages & Literatures Dept. of Slavic Languages and Literatures University of Kansas 1445 Jayhawk Blvd., Room 2134 Lawrence, KS 66045-7590 USA Tel. and voice-mail: (785) 864-2349 Fax: (785) 864-4298 (write ATTN: Marc L. Greenberg, Slavic Dept.) E-mail: mlg at ku.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From kfedchak at YAHOO.COM Wed Sep 5 15:14:52 2001 From: kfedchak at YAHOO.COM (Kimberly Fedchak) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 08:14:52 -0700 Subject: koshka Message-ID: The Russian families I have known have forgone the litter altogether, placing a shallow, rectanglar metal "miska" close to the toilet. They train the cats to use this pan by putting some dirt in at the beginning, and gradually they decrease the quantity until it is gone. In place of the dirt (would they call it pesok?) there are little strips of newspaper (to absorb the liquid and partially neutralize the smell?) I'm guessing Russians would call our litter "pesok" although it is not much like sand. But I, too, would like to know the answer for sure! Kimberly Fedchak Department of Modern Languages and Literatures Swarthmore College __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. 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Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sao15 at COLUMBIA.EDU Wed Sep 5 15:18:48 2001 From: sao15 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Serguei Alex. Oushakine) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:18:48 -0400 Subject: Conference: Belief Systems and the Place of Desire (U of Melbourne, Australia, 1-3 October 2001) Message-ID: Belief Systems and the Place of Desire The University of Melbourne, Melbourne, Australia, 1-3 October 2001 The third conference of the International Association for the Study of Sex, Culture and Society (IASSCS) is being hosted by Key Centre for Women's Health in Society at the University of Melbourne, with Lenore Manderson as convenor and program chair. The theme of this conference has been chosen to foreground how belief systems and institutions structure and constrain modes of living, pattern the expression of sexual and gender identity, and shape desire and pleasure. We are concerned particularly with formal belief systems and ideologies, including those of major religions. Few people involved in the study of sexuality have addressed such questions, in part because of a (mis)perception of the antipathy of both religious and political ideology towards sexual pleasure and sexual diversity. This has meant that much of the theorizing and writing about sexuality has failed to engage with the institutions and meaning systems that dominate the lives of most people. It seems to us timely and important to redress this omission, to explore how formal systems control and create spaces for the expression of sexuality, how they give meaning to sexuality and desire, and how individuals resist dominate ideologies in different social contexts. Keynote addresses and a number of special panels focus on areas of interest across the social sciences and humanities, that present theoretical and empirical challenges. Plenary sessions will be held at the start of each day and after lunch, and each will involve one speaker and one discussant - they include Marina Mahathir (president of the National HIV/AIDS program in Malaysia) and highly acclaimed Indian filmmaker Rahul Roy. Other sessions allow for panels and presentations of research papers. In these, the emphasis will be on brief presentations and open discussion. We expect around 250-300 participants at the conference, over half from Asia, Africa, Europe and North America. There is also an open panel at the Ian Potter Gallery on 30 September. Hotel accommodation and travel arrangements need to be done soon - places are filling up because of Aussie Rules Grand Final and the Fringe Festival and the ICAAP (Aids in Asia and the Pacific) conference). Check the website for details -- preliminary program has been posted. See http://www.kcwh.unimelb.edu.au/sexconf.html Lenore Manderson Professor of Women's Health and Director Key Centre for Women's Health in Society WHO Collaborating Centre for Women's Health Department of Public Health School of Population Health Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry, and Health Sciences The University of Melbourne Mailing address: Melbourne Vic 3010 Australia Street address: 305 Cardigan St, Carlton Phone 613 8344 4445 (direct); 8344 4333 (general office) Fax 613 9347 9824 URL: http://www.kcwh.unimelb.edu.au ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mdenner at STETSON.EDU Wed Sep 5 17:08:31 2001 From: mdenner at STETSON.EDU (Michael Denner) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:08:31 -0400 Subject: re Outlook and Cyrillic encoding Message-ID: Dear SEELANGers, Not long ago, Elena Kobzeva-Herzog wrote in about trouble encoding messages in Cyrillic using the mail program Outlook by Microsoft. Richard Robin wrote back, and expressed similar frustration. I have spent no little time working with various encoding issues and HTML, so I'll share what I've learned. (N.B.: My comments below pertain to Outlook on the PC platform, though I think they are more or less the same for Macs running Outlook. The latest OS X on Macs is supposedly "Russian ready," though when I played around with them recently I did not find that to be at all the case, and to get web sites and HTML-encoded emails to appear correctly, ended up needing to install the St. Petersburg Mac Club software, which I've found to be very good.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Outlook 2000, in my experience, handles Cyrillic encoding very well. Below, for instance, is Russian, sent via Outlook: Средь народного шума и успеха, На вокзалах и пристанях, Смотрит века могучая веха И бровей начинается взмах. (If you cannot read the stanza above, then see below for how to display Russian-encoded documents.) There are, granted, a few steps you have to go through. 1. First, you MUST use real encoding, that is to say that you cannot use a font set with graphical representations of Cyrillic characters. (If you've never done this, see below for how to "convert" your PC to use Cyrillic.) To switch encodings, go to the Format>Encoding>More and choose KOI-8. (There are reasons to choose Windows encoding, since it allows for more characters (like, say, e-accent-grave), but KOI-8 remains the standard encoding for Russian sites on the Web, and probably for encoded emails as well.) Keep in mind that KOI-8 handles Latin-alphabet encoding just fine -- i.e., you can type in Russian and in English. I keep my encoding as KOI-8 all the time. 2. Switch to the Russian keyboard (again, see below) by clicking the EN button in you system tray (lower right corner), and choosing Russian (RU). 3. Type away in Russian. 4. Send the message. TROUBLESHOOTING: a.. Elena writes: "The messages come to the students with ???? instead of Russian." Two likely problems: 1) They must use a mail reader capable of reading HTML encoded documents (i.e., they cant use PINE or ELM on Unix). 2) They must MANUALLY switch whatever mail reader they are using to display the message with KOI-8 encoding. If they're using Outlook, they simply follow the same directions as above: Format>Encoding>More and choose KOI-8R. If they're using some web-based reader (Hotmail, etc.), they must manually change the encoding option to KOI-8: View>Encoding>More>KOI-8R. I suggest including a little blurb at the beginning or end of emails encoded in Russian explaining how to switch the encoding. b.. So far as I have ever been able to figure, you can't send a message with a subject line in Russian. Perhaps if you fiddled with the HTML code itself, you could, but I suggest transliterating the Russian or just not worrying about a subject line. c.. Spell checking: Outlook probably has a Russian spell check module, but I always compose Russian messages in Word, use grammar and spell check there, and then cut and paste the message in Outlook (remembering to set the encoding to KOI-8) d.. Robin commented that he had had trouble with Cyrillic in his address book --I have a lot of Russian info in my notes sections of the Contacts list, and it seems OK. But I'm sure there are flaws in the program. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- OK, so if you've never installed the software to type Cyrillic, below are the instructions I've written for my Russian students. Typing in Russian requires font-sets and a homophonic keyboard. WINDOWS: Here are the best step-by-step directions I've found for Cyrilliczing Windows: 1. Click on Start menu. 2. Open Settings - Control Panel. 3. Double click Keyboard. 4. Single click Language tab. 5. Check "Enable indicator on taskbar". 6. Single click Add. 7. Pick Russian language. 8. Single click OK. 9. Single click OK on the "Keyboard Properties" screen. If your computer prompts you for original Windows disk, insert it and OK the Windows prompt. If you do not have the disk, download Lang.exe, put it into some temporary folder and double click on it to self-extract. Return to "Add/Remove Programs" menu. Use "Have disk" and "Browse" buttons to point to a folder where you extracted Lang.exe. Then click OK to start installation. Switch between your default layout and the Russian layout by simultaneously pressing left ALT and SHIFT. Tips: An indicator on the taskbar shows what keyboard you are in at the moment. You may assign different keys to switch between layouts. (from About.com) Once you've done the above, it's time to change the keyboard layout to a simple to learn phonetic variant of your QWERTY keyboard and instructions. It will give you a keyboard like this: Я Ш Е Р Т Ы У И О П Ю Щ А С Д Ф Г Ч Й К Л Ь Ж З Х Ц В Б Н М Notice the E is where the E is on your keyboard, the K where the K is, etc. The letter Ш is where the "w" is, and Ц is where the "c" is. The only tricky ones are really those on the far right of the keyboard (ю, щ, э, ь, ж). Oh, and the ё is the tilde (~). Generally, good typists can learn to type quickly on the homophonic keyboard within a few hours Hope this helps some you out there. best, <|><|><|><|><|><|><|> Michael A. Denner Russian Studies Department Campus Unit 8361 Stetson University DeLand, FL 32720 904.822.7265 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ehaber at MAILBOX.SYR.EDU Wed Sep 5 17:20:22 2001 From: ehaber at MAILBOX.SYR.EDU (Erika Haber) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:20:22 -0400 Subject: Aitmatov's address Message-ID: Does anyone know Chingiz Aitmatov's current address? Is he still serving as Ambassador to Luxembourg? Please reply off list to ehaber at syr.edu Thank you. ***** Erika Haber, Associate Professor Russian Language and Literature Dept. of Languages, Literatures & Linguistics 324 H.B. Crouse Hall Syracuse University Syracuse, New York 13244-1160 315-443-4200 ***** ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. 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Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mdenner at STETSON.EDU Wed Sep 5 18:52:37 2001 From: mdenner at STETSON.EDU (Michael Denner) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 14:52:37 -0400 Subject: URLs for encoding Message-ID: Dear SEELANGers, For whatever reason, the mail server that handles our list-serve removes HTML code from message sent through it. So the links that I set up in the last message didn't come through. Several people have written asking for the URLs, so here they are: For the St. Pete Mac Club: http://www.macclub.spb.ru/mc_3_1.html and the keyboard drivers for a homophonic keyboard (I've never tried these): http://www.as.ua.edu/gnrn/macfonts/Cyrillic_Keyboards.sit.Hqx For the Lang.exe file (enables Windows to handle Cyrillic): http://support.microsoft.com/download/support/mslfiles/Lang.exe For the keyboard drivers for a homophonic keyboard: http://www.as.ua.edu/gnrn/winfonts/Kbdru1.kbd and the help file: http://www.as.ua.edu/gnrn/winfonts/Readme.txt Best, <|><|><|><|><|><|><|> Michael A. Denner Russian Studies Department Campus Unit 8361 Stetson University DeLand, FL 32720 904.822.7265 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From zielinski at ECONOPHONE.CH Wed Sep 5 19:09:42 2001 From: zielinski at ECONOPHONE.CH (Zielinski) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 21:09:42 +0200 Subject: Place Names Message-ID: > The spellings I have are Polish style: > > 1. Zwierzywiec in Sokolka region of Bialystok > It should, obviously, be: Zwierzyniec. Jan Zielinski ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From kcf19 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Wed Sep 5 21:40:19 2001 From: kcf19 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Robert Chandler) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:40:19 +0100 Subject: Sergey Dovlatov Message-ID: Dear all, Does anyone know of a published (or even unpublished) translation of his story "Predstavlenie"? Thanks in advance! Robert Chandler ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From asred at HOME.COM Thu Sep 6 03:03:05 2001 From: asred at HOME.COM (Steve Marder) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 23:03:05 -0400 Subject: koshka Message-ID: vera wrote: > > Privet Listers, > Could anyone help me with the word for "cat litter" in Russian? Not the cat's toilet, but rather the sandy like, small clay rocks that one puts into the cat's toilet. > Thanks in advance, > Veronica > jastreb_v at lycos.com Vera, I'm certainly not an expert on the subject, but the short answer would appear to be "napolnitel' (dlya koshach'ego tualeta/koshach'ix tualetov)". "Podstilka" can also do the job. As I'm sure you know, the "filler" can be "sandy like, small clay rocks" but, depending on circumstances, it can also be many other things, including strips of paper, toilet paper (!), sand, sawdust, and vegetable or fruit peelings. Commercially packaged cat litter (domestically produced as well as imported) is available in the Russian Republic in the form of granules of various sizes. Steve Marder ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From kfedchak at YAHOO.COM Thu Sep 6 05:11:53 2001 From: kfedchak at YAHOO.COM (Kimberly Fedchak) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:11:53 -0700 Subject: koshka In-Reply-To: <3B96E768.541E9B04@home.com> Message-ID: Wow! I was dubious about subscribing to SEELANGS at first (I did it a few days ago) because I wasn't sure I wanted 15 or 20 more emails a day. But this cat litter information has convinced me! What an incredible resource you all are! Now I'm a believer. Kimberly (Kira) Fedchak Department of Modern Languages and Literatures Swarthmore College __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From zielinski at ECONOPHONE.CH Thu Sep 6 06:14:47 2001 From: zielinski at ECONOPHONE.CH (Zielinski) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 08:14:47 +0200 Subject: Urusova Message-ID: I'm looking for the first name and exact date of death, as well as whereabouts of her papers, of princess Urusova (Ouroussoff), who died 1866 presumably in Milan, Italy. Jan Zielinski ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From alexandra.leontieva at KRR.UIB.NO Thu Sep 6 07:05:55 2001 From: alexandra.leontieva at KRR.UIB.NO (Alexandra N. Leontieva) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:05:55 +0200 Subject: Dovlatov, "Predstavlenie" Message-ID: > Does anyone know of a published (or even unpublished) translation of his > story "Predstavlenie"? As far as I can recall, a variant of "Predstavlenie" is part of Dovlatov's larger work, The Zone (Zona), available in English translation as: The Zone: A Prison Camp Guard's Story by Sergei Dovlatov, trans. Anne Frydman, N.Y.: Knopf, 1985. Check p. 131 - 160. There might be minor variations, but the basics are the same. The Zone is currently out of print, but amazon.com located a used copy in v. good condition ca. 2.5 years ago. There is also a film version of the story, which is very bad. Seems that Dovlatov's daughter Sasha has been trying to stop it, so far unsuccessfully. ********************************************* Alexandra N. Leontieva Research Fellow, Dept. of Russian Studies University of Bergen Oeisteinsgt. 3, N-5007 BERGEN, Norway Phone / voicemail: +47 55 58 31 58 Fax: +47 55 58 91 91 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dumanis at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU Thu Sep 6 14:46:06 2001 From: dumanis at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU (Edward M Dumanis) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 10:46:06 -0400 Subject: URLs for encoding In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Michael Denner wrote: > For the Lang.exe file (enables Windows to handle Cyrillic): > http://support.microsoft.com/download/support/mslfiles/Lang.exe > > For the keyboard drivers for a homophonic keyboard: > http://www.as.ua.edu/gnrn/winfonts/Kbdru1.kbd > and the help file: http://www.as.ua.edu/gnrn/winfonts/Readme.txt I tried to install the homophonic Russian keyboard for Windows 95 using these references but failed to accomplish it. 1) File "Lang.exe" could not be located. The search of the Microsoft Web Site gives the following message: Your search for lang.exe did not find any matches. You may want to review the search words you entered to ensure they are not misspelled. 2) Readme.txt written by David Powelstock refers to "Russian" and "Russian (Typewriter)" keyboard layouts. I have only "Russian." 3) It also refers to kbdrus.kbd and kbdrus1.kbd in the windows\system subdirectory. I have only kbdru.kbd and kbdru1.kbd. 3) I tried to replace then kbdru1.kbd with the downloaded file. It did not change the standard layout even after rebooting. Any ideas? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mdenner at STETSON.EDU Thu Sep 6 15:56:32 2001 From: mdenner at STETSON.EDU (Michael Denner) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 11:56:32 -0400 Subject: more on setting up your PC to read/type Cyrillic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Colleagues: I think I've opened Pandora's box... For Mr. Dumanis inter alia, here goes: 1. It looks like Microsoft has removed the language support files from its site since I wrote those instructions (the redkij world of the WWW) -- I've looked everywhere for them, to no avail. Does anyone out there know where to find these files? If you were savvy enough to know when installing Windows to install "multi-language support" (I wasn't), then you don't need to worry about the lang.exe files -- the fonts are already installed. If you did NOT select this option, then you need to find OEM disks for your system and install them. If you don't have the disks, you MIGHT have luck with the font package at SovInformBureau (http://www.siber.com/sib/), a site I recommend very highly for anyone interested in technology and Russia. You can download the package at http://www.siber.com/sib/russify/ms-windows/fonts/. I have never used the package, so caveat programator. Anyone who tries this package, please post to the group and let us know the results. 2. About the homophonic keyboard. (I'm referring to the keyboard drivers for a homophonic keyboard that I gave in my last message: http://www.as.ua.edu/gnrn/winfonts/Kbdru1.kbd and the help file: http://www.as.ua.edu/gnrn/winfonts/Readme.txt) First, I should say that I know that the keyboard works well on 95, 98, and ME versions of Window -- I've used it on all three. It does NOT, however, work for NT. You need another keyboard program for NT. Try the one at SovInformBureau: http://www.siber.com/sib/russify/ms-windows/keyboard/. I used this keyboard on a computer running NT this summer, and it's a bit different from the "standard" or AATSEEL homophonic (the w is the v in Russian, for instance). Still, it worked well. I think Mr. Powelstock's keyboard is great, but his instructions are maybe unclear. I will try to restate his instructions a little more clearly and simply: i. First, download the file by clicking this link: http://www.as.ua.edu/gnrn/winfonts/Kbdru1.kbd. Save it somewhere convenient, like the desktop. You'll have an icon with the Windows logo on it and it will read Kbdru1.kbd. ii. Now, rename the existing Cyrillic keyboard, which is c:\windows\system\kbdru.kbd. (I seem to remember that in 98 or ME this filename is slightly different, but no matter -- you'll recognize it by the extension .kbd and by the ru in its main name). You rename the file so that if you ever want to go back to a Russian typewriter setup, you may. Open up Windows Explorer, go to c:\windows\system\ and find the file "kbdru.kbd" (or whatever). Click on it once (or right-click and choose rename), and change its filename to something new, like kbdru-old.kbd. iii. Now, go find the file that you've downloaded -- I mean Kbdru1.kbd (on the desktop) -- and move the file to the c:\windows\system\ folder. You can do this either by dragging it between two Explorer windows, or copying the file (ctrl-c) and pasting it (ctrl-v) into the c:\windows\system\folder. Or you can use the DOS window. Now, rename Kbdru1.kbd to kbdru.kbd. You have now replaced the old, Russian typewriter keyboard setup (which is now kbdru-old.kb) with the new homophonic keyboard. Close all applications and reboot your machine. After rebooting your standard Russian keyboard will become a homophonic keyboard. If this STILL fails, try the platform-appropriate keyboard offered at SovInformBureau: http://www.siber.com/sib/russify/ms-windows/keyboard/ The instructions there are good, but you have to use the DOS window. I hope this clears things up. mad <|><|><|><|><|><|><|> Michael A. Denner Russian Studies Department Campus Unit 8361 Stetson University DeLand, FL 32720 904.822.7265 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dsdanaher at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU Thu Sep 6 19:07:40 2001 From: dsdanaher at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU (David S. Danaher) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 13:07:40 -0600 Subject: Announcement of upcoming conference Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 2599 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gjanecek at UKY.EDU Thu Sep 6 18:29:05 2001 From: gjanecek at UKY.EDU (gerald janecek) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 14:29:05 -0400 Subject: Call for Papers Message-ID: April 18-20, 2002, 55th Annual Kentucky Foreign Language Conference, the Russian sections solicit papers on the topic "Space & Place: Cultural Encounters & Confrontations" and other topics related to Russian language, literature, linguistics and pedagogy. Please send a one-page abstract by Nov. 15 to: gjanecek at uky.edu or Gerald Janecek, Dept. of Russian & Eastern Studies, U. of Kentucky, Lexington, KY 40506, tel.: 859-257-7025, fax.: 859-257-3743. -- ============================================================================= Gerald J. Janecek, Professor, Chair Phone: 859-257-3761 Editor, Slavic & East European Journal E-mail: gjanecek at uky.edu Dept. of Russian & Eastern Studies Fax: 859-257-3743 University of Kentucky Lexington, KY 40506 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From brifkin at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU Thu Sep 6 21:37:57 2001 From: brifkin at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU (Benjamin Rifkin) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 16:37:57 -0500 Subject: Russian periodicals Message-ID: Dear Colleagues: My department would like to subscribe to one or two Russian periodicals to use for language classroom activities. When I last subscribed to periodicals delivered in hard copy, the delay was horrendous, so I shifted to internet periodicals. Teachers and students want the "hard copy," the "real thing," so I'm asking again if you have any suggestions of both periodicals to which to subscribe and subscription companies that have worked for you. Please respond off list. As always, I am grateful for your help. Sincerely, Ben Rifkin -- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Benjamin Rifkin Professor of Slavic Languages, Slavic Dept., UW-Madison 1432 Van Hise Hall, 1220 Linden Drive Madison, WI 53706 USA voice: (608) 262-1623; fax: (608) 265-2814 http://polyglot.lss.wisc.edu/slavic/rifkin/ Director, Russian School, Middlebury College Freeman International Center Middlebury, VT 05753 USA voice: (802) 443-5533; fax: (802) 443-5394 http://www.middlebury.edu/~ls/Russian/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dec1 at CFL.RR.COM Fri Sep 7 10:42:53 2001 From: dec1 at CFL.RR.COM (David E. Crawford) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 06:42:53 -0400 Subject: SEELANGS Digest - 5 Sep 2001 to 6 Sep 2001 (#2001-251) In-Reply-To: <200109070354.f873sbx07216@flmx01.mgw.rr.com> Message-ID: > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 11:56:32 -0400 > From: Michael Denner > Subject: more on setting up your PC to read/type Cyrillic > > Dear Colleagues: > > I think I've opened Pandora's box... Bill Gates opened it for us all a long time ago. ;-) See the URL below for illustrated instructions that show how to install and configure Windows95/98/ME Cyrillic. Some of the application-software information is getting out of date, but the operating system setup info is still good. As Mr. Denner correctly stated, this won't work for NT/2000. David ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the Cyrillic for Windows 98 web page: http://www.qsl.net/kd4whz/russian ----------------------------------------------------------------------- David E. Crawford Titusville, Florida United States of America 28.5146N 80.8342W dec1 at cfl.rr.com FAX/voicemail: 530-504-9257 ICQ: 2588570 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.jameson at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Sep 7 13:16:31 2001 From: a.jameson at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Andrew Jameson) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 14:16:31 +0100 Subject: Russian periodicals Message-ID: Sputnik Novosti is a newspaper digest of current press and is always surrent when I receive it - it has the TV schedules for the week for example. Available from RIA-Novosti office in whatever country you are in. Andrew Jameson MA MIL Chair, Russian Committee, ALL Reviews Editor, Rusistika Listowner, allnet, cont-ed-lang, russian-teaching 1 Brook Street, Lancaster LA1 1SL, UK In UK: 01524 32371 Outside UK: (+44) 1524 32371 ----- Original Message ----- From: Benjamin Rifkin To: Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 10:37 PM Subject: Russian periodicals Dear Colleagues: My department would like to subscribe to one or two Russian periodicals to use for language classroom activities. When I last ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dumanis at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU Fri Sep 7 13:36:37 2001 From: dumanis at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU (Edward M Dumanis) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 09:36:37 -0400 Subject: more on setting up your PC to read/type Cyrillic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Michael Denner wrote: > Dear Colleagues: > > I think I've opened Pandora's box... In some sense, you have closed this box with your message. I'd like to thank you. It did work for me. I guess it worked because I had Microsoft Multilingual support already installed. Edward Dumanis ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.jameson at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Sep 7 14:16:03 2001 From: a.jameson at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Andrew Jameson) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 15:16:03 +0100 Subject: Russian periodicals Message-ID: for surrent read current! Andrew Jameson MA MIL ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eric.laursen at M.CC.UTAH.EDU Fri Sep 7 22:33:26 2001 From: eric.laursen at M.CC.UTAH.EDU (Eric Laursen) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 16:33:26 -0600 Subject: Russian periodicals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: For Russian periodicals try www.eastview.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sao15 at COLUMBIA.EDU Sat Sep 8 03:49:11 2001 From: sao15 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Serguei Alex. Oushakine) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 23:49:11 -0400 Subject: 2002-2005 Postdoctoral Fellowships: Michigan Society of Fellows. Deadline: October 5, 2001 Message-ID: Please see our online application materials, or send requests for application materials to: Michigan Society of Fellows University of Michigan 3030 Rackham Building 915 E. Washington Street Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1070 (734) 763-1259 society.of.fellows at umich.edu http://www.rackham.umich.edu/Faculty/society.html MICHIGAN SOCIETY OF FELLOWS 2002-2005 Postdoctoral Fellowships Application Deadline: October 5, 2001 The Michigan Society of Fellows, under the auspices of the Rackham Graduate School, was established in 1970 with endowment grants from the Ford Foundation and the Horace H. and Mary Rackham Funds. The most distinctive aspect of the Society is a multidisciplinary emphasis which gives the Fellows an opportunity to interact across disciplines and to expand their horizons and knowledge. While their own scholarship is enriched, the Fellows also enrich the University of Michigan through teaching during their residency and bringing new insights to other faculty members. Each year the Society selects four outstanding applicants for appointment to three-year fellowships in the arts and humanities, in the social, physical and life sciences, and in the professional schools. The newly appointed Postdoctoral Fellows join a unique interdisciplinary community composed of their peers as well as Senior Fellows. The Chair of the Society is James Boyd White, L. Hart Wright Professor of Law at the University of Michigan. We invite applications from qualified candidates who are at the beginning of their academic careers, having received the Ph.D. or comparable professional or artistic degree between June 1, 1999, and September 1, 2002. Fellows are appointed as Assistant Professors in appropriate departments at the University of Michigan and as Postdoctoral Scholars in the Michigan Society of Fellows. They are expected to be in residence during the academic years of the fellowship, to teach for the equivalent of one academic year, to participate in the informal intellectual life of the Society, and to devote time to their independent research. The annual stipend will be $42,000. Please see our online application materials, or send requests for application materials to: Michigan Society of Fellows University of Michigan 3030 Rackham Building 915 E. Washington Street Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1070 (734) 763-1259 society.of.fellows at umich.edu http://www.rackham.umich.edu/Faculty/society.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From billings at PU.EDU.TW Sun Sep 9 10:19:32 2001 From: billings at PU.EDU.TW (Loren Billings) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 18:19:32 +0800 Subject: Dictionary program Message-ID: >>From LINGUIST List: Vol-12-2195; please reply to the original poster, whose addresses appear below. (I'm also testing Alex Rudd's recent suggestion about the Reply-to mode. Bear with me if it doesn't work.) Best, --Loren Billings > Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 17:13:47 +0100 > From: "Johnny Thomsen" > Subject: Dictionary Programme > > Does anybody know of a suitable programme for making a dictionary with > Russian as the source language and a language written with Latin > characters (with some special signs) as the target language? In > addition, the programme must be equipped with IPA signs. > > Johnny Thomsen > undir Heygnum 3 > FO-100 Torshavn > Faroe Islands > > jthom at post.olivant.fo ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Katkovski at OSI.HU Sun Sep 9 12:36:10 2001 From: Katkovski at OSI.HU (Vladimir Katkovski) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 14:36:10 +0200 Subject: Belarus Message-ID: Sorry for a bit off-topic, but I want the world to know before I may be switched off. Today we are having presidential elections. It is already completely obvious that they are going to be falsified on large scales. Observers are beaten and thrown out, ballot boxes are opened during the night, many many other things. Security council deleted from DNS server the records for opposition sites: dt.home.by (dzied Talasz), www.bdg.by (live 24hr coverage), www.barcnews.by and many others. Also from inside Belarus we can NOT see www.svaboda.org (RFE/RL), www.charter97.org (live coverage) and a dozen other sites. Beltelecom (the sole state-run ISP provider that controls all other providers) blocks their IP addresses. We are under siege. People get their p[hones turned off. I hope mine will still be operational. At that same time Russian tv media reports that elections in Belarus are taking place as planned without any falsification. Please, spread the word. There are several trucks with soldier with machine guns that were unloaded next to us (Rusijanava street). Uladzimir Katkouski ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Katkovski at OSI.HU Sun Sep 9 12:38:46 2001 From: Katkovski at OSI.HU (Vladimir Katkovski) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 14:38:46 +0200 Subject: Belarus Message-ID: Sorry for a bit off-topic, but I want the world to know before I may be switched off. Today we are having presidential elections. It is already completely obvious that they are going to be falsified on large scales. Observers are beaten and thrown out, ballot boxes are opened during the night, many many other things. Security council deleted from DNS server the records for opposition sites: dt.home.by (dzied Talasz), www.bdg.by (live 24hr coverage), www.barcnews.by and many others. Also from inside Belarus we can NOT see www.svaboda.org (RFE/RL), www.charter97.org (live coverage) and a dozen other sites. Beltelecom (the sole state-run ISP provider that controls all other providers) blocks their IP addresses. We are under siege. People get their p[hones turned off. I hope mine will still be operational. At that same time Russian tv media reports that elections in Belarus are taking place as planned without any falsification. Please, spread the word. There are several trucks with soldiers with machine guns that were unloaded next to us (Rusijanava street). I am going to October square in the evening. Uladzimir Katkouski ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nfriedbe at CHASS.UTORONTO.CA Sun Sep 9 22:13:00 2001 From: nfriedbe at CHASS.UTORONTO.CA (Nila Friedberg) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 18:13:00 -0400 Subject: AATSEEL and AAASS roommate Message-ID: I am looking for a roommate to share a room at AAASS and at AATSEEL conferences. Please respond off list to nfriedbe at chass.utoronto.ca Thank you. Nila Friedberg ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sao15 at COLUMBIA.EDU Mon Sep 10 17:22:44 2001 From: sao15 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Serguei Alex. Oushakine) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:22:44 -0400 Subject: The Legacy of Historical Trauma Website Message-ID: From: Bonnie Poon WE ARE PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THE LAUNCH OF THE LEGACY PROJECT WEBSITE www.legacy-project.org Our site offers an opportunity to join in a global dialogue about the aftermath of the violent traumas of the 20th century. Featured sections of the site include a visual arts library; a filmography, and scholarly discussions. The Legacy Events Index provides easy access to all the materials on the site, connecting them to the traumatic events that inspired them. Special highlights include: * A video introduction to The Legacy Project narrated by Donald Sutherland. * The Legacy Project's inaugural virtual exhibition The Art of Afterwards. * The opening of The Legacy Project's virtual symposium, bringing together experts on remembrance issues from around the world. Our first discussion focuses on the division of India, Looking Back on Partition. We will continually update and expand the site, so don't forget to bookmark www.legacy-project.org and come back often! Sincerely, The Legacy Project Please Note: In conjunction with the launch of our website, The Legacy Project staff have new email addresses as follows: cchanin at legacy-project.org bpoon at legacy-project.org lsmith at legacy-project.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dorwin at CHASS.UTORONTO.CA Mon Sep 10 18:20:42 2001 From: dorwin at CHASS.UTORONTO.CA (Donna Orwin) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:20:42 -0400 Subject: Tolstoy Conference in Tbilisi Message-ID: > The Tolstoy Museum at Iasnaia Poliana is proud to announce a conference on > Tolstoy to be held in Tbilisi, June 5-10, 2002, under the personal > sponsorship of the President of Georgia, Mr. Eduard Shevardnadze. The theme > of the conference is "Tolstoy in the Eighteen-Fifties: The Birth of a Writer." > > Those interested should contact Galina Alexeeva, Head of Academic Research > Department at Iasnaia Poliana (galalexeeva at tula.net) or Donna Orwin, Editor of > Tolstoy Studies Journal (dorwin at chass.utoronto.ca). The deadline for > submissions of proposals is December 15, and participants will be notified by > January 1 that their proposals have been accepted. For more details, go to > the Tolstoy Web Site at www.utoronto.ca/tolstoy/. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From KlineLA at PROVIDE.NET Mon Sep 10 19:53:04 2001 From: KlineLA at PROVIDE.NET (Laura Kline) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:53:04 -0400 Subject: Shalamov Society Website is Up Message-ID: Dear Seelangers, I am pleased to announce that the Shalamov Society Website is up at www.shalamov.com. It is not complete yet (the section on Bibliographies is still under construction), but it contains information on other topics which will hopefully be useful. If you have anything to add, notice any errors, or would like to join, please contact me at my new e-mail address: klinela at provide.net. Best, Laura Kline Lecturer in Russian Wayne State University ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sao15 at COLUMBIA.EDU Mon Sep 10 21:45:42 2001 From: sao15 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Serguei Alex. Oushakine) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 17:45:42 -0400 Subject: TOC: Ab Imperio 3/2001 Message-ID: From: Serguei Glebov glebov at rci.rutgers.edu Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 5:36 PM Subject: Ab Imperio 3/2001 TOC Dear friends, we are pleased to announce the third issue of Ab Imperio Quarterly in 2001. Please, note that information on subscription and manuscript submission is available online at http://aimag.knet.ru Should you like to contact the editors, our addresses are: Russia/NIS ai at bancorp.ru (Drs. Ilya Gerasimov, Marina Mogilner) Germany akapluno at yahoo.de (Dr. Alexander Kaplunovsky) Hungary/CEE hphsem95 at phd.ceu.hu (Alexander M. Semyonov) US/North America glebov at rci.rutgers.edu (Serguei Glebov) Table of Contents Methodology and Theory Wim van Meurs Soviet Ethnography: Hunters or Gatherers? (RUS) Wolfgang Kaschuba A Dilemma of the Twentieth Century's Ethnology: "Culture" - a Concept or a Slogan? (RUS) Franziska Becker Ethnicity and Migration: A Critical Approach to the Concept of Ethnicity in Migration Studies (RUS) History Michel Bouchard The Medieval Nation of Rus': The Religious Underpinnings of the Russian Nation (ENG) Andrei Korenevskii "New Israel" and "Holy Rus'": The Ethnoconfessional and Socio-Cultural Aspects of the Russian Medieval Heresy of the Judaizers (RUS) Ildar Garipzanov Searching "National" Identity in the Middle Ages (The response of a Europeanist) (ENG) Igor' Danilevskii The Ancient Russian Statehood and the "Nation of Rus'": Possibilities and Ways of Accurate Description (RUS) Sonja Lührman From Aleuts and Creoles toward Blacks and Whites: South Alaska between Two Empires (RUS) Sergei Podbolotov "True-Russians" against the Jews: Right-Wing Anti-Semitism in the Last Years of the Russian Empire, 1905-1917 (ENG) Jeremy Smith Nation Building and National Conflict in the USSR in the 1920s (ENG) Archive (RUS) Oleg Budnitskii On the History of Russian Emigrants in France: Comments on the Publication in AI #1-2/2001 >From the Editors Preface to the Publication Oleg Budnitskii The Estate and National Questions in Imperial Russia Letter of V. A. Maklakov to B. A. Bakhmetev from July 4, 1923 Sociology, Ethnology, Political Science Aileen A. Espiritu National Imaginings and Inventions of Tradition: Ethnic Survival in Northwest Siberia (ENG) Elena Khabenskaya The Tatar Intelligentsia of Saratov: Characteristics of Ethnic Self-Identification (RUS) Olga Bogatova Ethnopolitical Myths in the Ideology of Nationalist Movements in Mordovia (RUS) Tomila Lankina Local Self-Government and Titular Control in Russia's Republics, 1991-1999 (ENG) ABC of Nationalism >From the Editors Hans Kohn (RUS) Hans Kohn The Idea of Nationalism (RUS) Vera Milchina On the National Idea without Definitions and Anachronisms (the Roundtable "National Idea in Russia in the Nineteenth Century", Russian State Humanitarian University, June 13, 2001) (RUS) Julia Ouliannikova The International CEP Conference "Siberia - Far East: The Regional Identity at the Threshold of the 21st Century" (RUS) Newest Mythologies Alexander Kudriavtsev The "Art" of Music and its "National" Content: The Case of Tatar Music in the 1980's and 1990's (RUS) LIST OF AUTHORS ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From vbelyanin at MTU-NET.RU Mon Sep 10 22:22:43 2001 From: vbelyanin at MTU-NET.RU (Valery Belyanin) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 19:22:43 -0300 Subject: Textology on Sobolevsky Message-ID: The electronic magazine textology.RU has published in September 2001 a course of lectures by a famous Russian academician A.I.Sobolevsky "Slavonic and Russian Paleography". this edition is 100 years old this year. http://www.textology.ru/drevnost/sobolevsky.html, Comments of his successors and students are also published http://www.textology.ru/drevnost/srp13.shtml. Www.Textology.ry will be happy to hear from you responses and proposlas for further publishng on the web-site. On behalf of the editorial board, Val Belyanin vbelyanin at mtu-net.ru ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From wils0141 at AMETHYST.TC.UMN.EDU Tue Sep 11 01:09:19 2001 From: wils0141 at AMETHYST.TC.UMN.EDU (Cheri C Wilson) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:09:19 -0500 Subject: ANNC: Rebirth of AWSSGRAD-L Message-ID: Announcing the Rebirth of AWSSGRAD-L AWSSGRAD-L is a listserv for graduate students in Slavic, East European, and Central Eurasian studies, sponsored by the Association for Women in Slavic Studies (AWSS). The primary purpose of AWSSGRAD-L is to encourage lively and professional discussion of the ins and outs of the graduate experience, which will help to ease the sense of isolation that is often felt by graduate students. Discussions can include a broad range of topics, such as: gender issues in our research, our departments, and in the profession; current research and research interests; methods and tools of analysis; preparing for papers and exams; networking; choosing and getting along with mentors; navigating departmental politics; reviews of primary and secondary sources; balancing one's personal and professional lives; and managing time and financial resources. The list will be moderated by Cheri Wilson, a Ph.D. candidate in Russian history at the University of Minnesota. To subscribe, please send the following command subscribe awssgrad-l to listserv at listserv.loyola.edu Once your subscription request has been received, you will be sent a questionnaire to complete. Upon completion of the questionnaire, you will be subscribed to the listserv. Please e-mail Cheri Wilson at CWilson3 at loyola.edu if you have any further questions. Sincerely, Cheri C. Wilson Ph.D. candidate, Russian history University of Minnesota Assistant Professor Loyola College in Maryland Department of History 4501 N. Charles Street Baltimore, MD 21210-2699 Office telephone: (410) 617-2017 Fax: (410) 617-2832 E-mail: CWilson3 at loyola.edu http://www.evergreen.loyola.edu/~CWilson3/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From brifkin at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU Tue Sep 11 01:59:11 2001 From: brifkin at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU (Benjamin Rifkin) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:59:11 -0500 Subject: Siberian Diary Finished Message-ID: Dear SEELANGers: The two Washington Post journalists who were travelling in Siberia have finished their journey and today they had an internet chat with interested readers. The transcript of the chat and a link to the Siberia Diary can be found at http://discuss.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/zforum/01/world_siberia091001.htm The diary is very upbeat with regard to Siberia, in particular, and Russia, more generally, which is great news for our profession. There are a lot of beautiful photographs. The questions in the chat include some basic questions that will be of interest to our students of Russian (or potential students of Russian!) With best wishes to all, Ben Rifkin -- ____________________________ Benjamin Rifkin Professor of Slavic Languages, Slavic Dept., UW-Madison 1432 Van Hise Hall, 1220 Linden Dr. Madison, WI 53706 USA voice: 608/262-1623; fax: 608/265-2814 http://polyglot.lss.wisc.edu/slavic/rifkin/ Director of the Russian School Middlebury College, Middlebury, VT 05753 voice: 802/443-5533; fax: 802/443-5394 http://www.middlebury.edu/~ls/Russian/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sarahkuntz at HOTMAIL.COM Tue Sep 11 13:53:36 2001 From: sarahkuntz at HOTMAIL.COM (Sarah Kuntz) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:53:36 -0400 Subject: Translation help Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gpgandolfo at IOL.IT Tue Sep 11 14:20:59 2001 From: gpgandolfo at IOL.IT (gpgandolfo@iol.it) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:20:59 +0200 Subject: anektody Message-ID: I used to have a web site that listed a large number of anektody in Russian, but somehow I've lost it. Could anyone help me bring it back to my mind? Thank you Giampaolo Gandolfo ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From silantev at SSCADM.NSU.RU Tue Sep 11 15:22:43 2001 From: silantev at SSCADM.NSU.RU (Igor Silantev) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 21:22:43 +0600 Subject: Translation help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Sarah, I would suggest: Infrakrasnyi priyomnik ne ulavlivaet signal, esli nakhodits'a v karmane. Best, Igor ________________________________________ Igor Silantev Novosibirsk State University Pirogova 11, Novosibirsk, 630090, Russia tel. +7 3832 397451; fax. +7 3832 303011 email silantev at sscadm.nsu.ru home page http://www.nsu.ru/ssc/siv/ virtual department http://www.nsu.ru/education/virtual Dear SEELANGers: I'm in a crunch to make sure this phrase is correct for a multi-lingual business meeting. The English: IMPORTANT The infrared receptor does not detect signal if it is kept in the pocket. The Russian translation: VAZHNO Infrakrasnyi priyomnik ne detektiruet signal, esli v karmane. Any corrections, suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Sarah Kuntz Image Technologies Corporation skuntz at imagetechnologies.com Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer athttp://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From peitlova at TISCALINET.IT Tue Sep 11 14:26:16 2001 From: peitlova at TISCALINET.IT (Edil Legno) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:26:16 +0200 Subject: Re.anekdoty Message-ID: Vada alla pagina www.allmedia.ru sotto delovyje anekdoty ne trova tanti. Katarìna Peitlovà,Ph.Dr. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gpgandolfo at IOL.IT Tue Sep 11 14:51:07 2001 From: gpgandolfo at IOL.IT (gpgandolfo@iol.it) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:51:07 +0200 Subject: No subject Message-ID: I remember subscribing some time ago to the Chekhov international society, but I am wondering what has happened since then. I have never heard anything more about it. Can anyone tell me its web address or provide information thereabout? Thank you. Giampaolo Gandolfo ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From vernikov at STUDENTS.WISC.EDU Tue Sep 11 15:49:46 2001 From: vernikov at STUDENTS.WISC.EDU (David Vernikov) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:49:46 -0500 Subject: anektody In-Reply-To: Message-ID: How about www.anekdot.ru ? Best, David Vernikov At 04:20 PM 9/11/01 +0200, you wrote: > I used to have a web site that listed a large number of anektody in >Russian, but somehow I've lost it. Could anyone help me bring it back >to my mind? > Thank you > Giampaolo Gandolfo > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription > options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: > http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From marydelle at EARTHLINK.NET Tue Sep 11 16:55:54 2001 From: marydelle at EARTHLINK.NET (Mary Delle LeBeau) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:55:54 -0700 Subject: anektody In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There is also this site: http://bk.list.ru/topw/anecdot.html Mary Delle LeBeau On 11 Sep 2001, at 16:20, gpgandolfo at iol.it wrote: > I used to have a web site that listed a large number of anektody in > Russian, but somehow I've lost it. Could anyone help me bring it back > to my mind? > Thank you > Giampaolo Gandolfo > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription > options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: > http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gevsmart at INTARNET.AM Tue Sep 11 19:33:21 2001 From: gevsmart at INTARNET.AM (George Petrosyan) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:33:21 +0500 Subject: American tragedy. Message-ID: I and my family share the grief of the American people in this grave national tragedy. God bless the innocent victims, George from Armenia ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gevsmart at INTARNET.AM Tue Sep 11 19:36:48 2001 From: gevsmart at INTARNET.AM (George Petrosyan) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:36:48 +0500 Subject: American tragedy. Message-ID: I and my family share the grief of the American people in this grave national tragedy. God bless the innocent victims, George: from Armenia ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From djloewen at BINGHAMTON.EDU Wed Sep 12 15:12:17 2001 From: djloewen at BINGHAMTON.EDU (Donald Loewen) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 10:12:17 -0500 Subject: Cyrillic keyboards for Win2000 -- results In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.20010911104946.006acf80@students.wisc.edu> Message-ID: A few weeks ago I was looking for information on how to install (and keep) transliterated Russian keyboard files in Windows 2000. After some trial and error I found some helpful information. I ended up using the method and basic keyboard layout offered free of charge by Paul Gorodyansky. It has information and files that will help you to install modified keyboard layouts in most versions of Windows, including NT and 2000. He has many informative pages, but the one that was most directly applicable was: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/PaulGor/kbd_eng.htm#p1251 I am used to a slightly different keyboard layout than the one included with Mr. Gorodyansky's "zip" file, so I modified it with a very helpful keyboard layout manager that was recommended on Mr. Gorodyansky's site. You can read his instructions on how to modify the keyboard layout in English here: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/PaulGor/mod_eng.htm and in Russian here: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/PaulGor/mod_win.htm With best wishes to all, Don Loewen Assistant Professor of Russian Binghamton University ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sao15 at COLUMBIA.EDU Wed Sep 12 23:04:20 2001 From: sao15 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Serguei Alex. Oushakine) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:04:20 -0400 Subject: Noam Chomsky: On the Bombings Message-ID: On the Bombings Noam Chomsky The terrorist attacks were major atrocities. In scale they may not reach the level of many others, for example, Clinton's bombing of the Sudan with no credible pretext, destroying half its pharmaceutical supplies and killing unknown numbers of people (no one knows, because the US blocked an inquiry at the UN and no one cares to pursue it). Not to speak of much worse cases, which easily come to mind. But that this was a horrendous crime is not in doubt. The primary victims, as usual, were working people: janitors, secretaries, firemen, etc. It is likely to prove to be a crushing blow to Palestinians and other poor and oppressed people. It is also likely to lead to harsh security controls, with many possible ramifications for undermining civil liberties and internal freedom. The events reveal, dramatically, the foolishness of the project of "missile defense." As has been obvious all along, and pointed out repeatedly by strategic analysts, if anyone wants to cause immense damage in the US, including weapons of mass destruction, they are highly unlikely to launch a missile attack, thus guaranteeing their immediate destruction. There are innumerable easier ways that are basically unstoppable. But today's events will, very likely, be exploited to increase the pressure to develop these systems and put them into place. "Defense" is a thin cover for plans for militarization of space, and with good PR, even the flimsiest arguments will carry some weight among a frightened public. In short, the crime is a gift to the hard jingoist right, those who hope to use force to control their domains. That is even putting aside the likely US actions, and what they will trigger -- possibly more attacks like this one, or worse. The prospects ahead are even more ominous than they appeared to be before the latest atrocities. As to how to react, we have a choice. We can express justified horror; we can seek to understand what may have led to the crimes, which means making an effort to enter the minds of the likely perpetrators. If we choose the latter course, we can do no better, I think, than to listen to the words of Robert Fisk, whose direct knowledge and insight into affairs of the region is unmatched after many years of distinguished reporting. Describing "The wickedness and awesome cruelty of a crushed and humiliated people," he writes that "this is not the war of democracy versus terror that the world will be asked to believe in the coming days. It is also about American missiles smashing into Palestinian homes and US helicopters firing missiles into a Lebanese ambulance in 1996 and American shells crashing into a village called Qana and about a Lebanese militia - paid and uniformed by America's Israeli ally - hacking and raping and murdering their way through refugee camps." And much more. Again, we have a choice: we may try to understand, or refuse to do so, contributing to the likelihood that much worse lies ahead. Noam Chomsky ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sao15 at COLUMBIA.EDU Thu Sep 13 00:17:38 2001 From: sao15 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Serguei Alex. Oushakine) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:17:38 -0400 Subject: Two articles by Robert Fisk (The Independent) Message-ID: The wickedness and awesome cruelty of a crushed and humiliated people By Robert Fisk 12 September 2001 The Independent http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=93623 So it has come to this. The entire modern history of the Middle East the collapse of the Ottoman empire, the Balfour declaration, Lawrence of Arabia's lies, the Arab revolt, the foundation of the state of Israel, four Arab-Israeli wars and the 34 years of Israel's brutal occupation of Arab land all erased within hours as those who claim to represent a crushed, humiliated population struck back with the wickedness and awesome cruelty of a doomed people. Is it fair is it moral to write this so soon, without proof, when the last act of barbarism, in Oklahoma, turned out to be the work of home-grown Americans? I fear it is. America is at war and, unless I am mistaken, many thousands more are now scheduled to die in the Middle East, perhaps in America too. Some of us warned of "the explosion to come''. But we never dreamt this nightmare. And yes, Osama bin Laden comes to mind, his money, his theology, his frightening dedication to destroy American power. I have sat in front of bin Laden as he described how his men helped to destroy the Russian army in Afghanistan and thus the Soviet Union. Their boundless confidence allowed them to declare war on America. But this is not the war of democracy versus terror that the world will be asked to believe in the coming days. It is also about American missiles smashing into Palestinian homes and US helicopters firing missiles into a Lebanese ambulance in 1996 and American shells crashing into a village called Qana and about a Lebanese militia paid and uniformed by America's Israeli ally hacking and raping and murdering their way through refugee camps. No, there is no doubting the utter, indescribable evil of what has happened in the United States. That Palestinians could celebrate the massacre of 20,000, perhaps 35,000 innocent people is not only a symbol of their despair but of their political immaturity, of their failure to grasp what they had always been accusing their Israeli enemies of doing: acting disproportionately. All the years of rhetoric, all the promises to strike at the heart of America, to cut off the head of "the American snake'' we took for empty threats. How could a backward, conservative, undemocratic and corrupt group of regimes and small, violent organisations fulfil such preposterous promises? Now we know. And in the hours that followed yesterday's annihilation, I began to remember those other extraordinary assaults upon the US and its allies, miniature now by comparison with yesterday's casualties. Did not the suicide bombers who killed 241 American servicemen and 100 French paratroops in Beirut on 23 October 1983, time their attacks with unthinkable precision? There were just seven seconds between the Marine bombing and the destruction of the French three miles away. Then there were the attacks on US bases in Saudi Arabia, and last year's attempt almost successful it now turns out to sink the USS Cole in Aden. And then how easy was our failure to recognise the new weapon of the Middle East which neither Americans nor any other Westerners could equal: the despair-driven, desperate suicide bomber. And there will be, inevitably, and quite immorally, an attempt to obscure the historical wrongs and the injustices that lie behind yesterday's firestorms. We will be told about "mindless terrorism'', the "mindless" bit being essential if we are not to realise how hated America has become in the land of the birth of three great religions. Ask an Arab how he responds to 20,000 or 30,000 innocent deaths and he or she will respond as decent people should, that it is an unspeakable crime. But they will ask why we did not use such words about the sanctions that have destroyed the lives of perhaps half a million children in Iraq, why we did not rage about the 17,500 civilians killed in Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon. And those basic reasons why the Middle East caught fire last September the Israeli occupation of Arab land, the dispossession of Palestinians, the bombardments and state-sponsored executions ... all these must be obscured lest they provide the smallest fractional reason for yesterday's mass savagery. No, Israel was not to blame though we can be sure that Saddam Hussein and the other grotesque dictators will claim so but the malign influence of history and our share in its burden must surely stand in the dark with the suicide bombers. Our broken promises, perhaps even our destruction of the Ottoman Empire, led inevitably to this tragedy. America has bankrolled Israel's wars for so many years that it believed this would be cost-free. No longer so. But, of course, the US will want to strike back against "world terror'', and last night's bombardment of Kabul may have been the opening salvo. Indeed, who could ever point the finger at Americans now for using that pejorative and sometimes racist word "terrorism''? Eight years ago, I helped to make a television series that tried to explain why so many Muslims had come to hate the West. Last night, I remembered some of those Muslims in that film, their families burnt by American-made bombs and weapons. They talked about how no one would help them but God. Theology versus technology, the suicide bomber against the nuclear power. Now we have learnt what this means. Is the world's favourite hate figure to blame? Osama bin Laden By Robert Fisk 12 September 2001 http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=93624 I can imagine how Osama bin Laden received the news of the atrocities in the United States. In all, I must have spent five hours listening to him in Sudan and then in the Afghan mountains, as he described the inevitable collapse of the US, just as he and his comrades in the Afghan war helped to destroy the Red Army. He will have watched satellite television, he will have sat in the corner of his room, brushing his teeth as he always did, with a mishwak stick, thinking for up to a minute before speaking. He once told me with pride how his men had attacked the Americans in Somalia. He acknowledged that he personally knew two of the Saudis executed for bombing an American military base in Riyadh. Could he be behind the slaughter in America? If Mr bin Laden was really guilty of all the things for which he has been blamed, he would need an army of 10,000. And there is something deeply disturbing about the world's habit of turning to the latest hate figure whenever blood is shed. But when events of this momentous scale take place, there is a new legitimacy in casting one's eyes at those who have constantly threatened America. Mr bin Laden had a kind of religious experience during the Afghan war. A Russian shell had fallen at his feet and, in the seconds as he waited for it to explode, he said he had a sudden feeling of calmness. The shell never exploded. The US must leave the Gulf, he would say every 10 minutes. America must stop all sanctions against the Iraqi people. America must stop using Israel to oppress Palestinians. He was not fighting an anti-colonial war, but a religious one. His supporters would gather round him with the awe of men listening to a messiah. And the words they listened to were fearful in their implications. American civilians would no more be spared than military targets. Yet I also remember one night when Mr bin Laden saw a pile of newspapers in my bag and seized them. By a sputtering oil lamp, he read them, clearly unaware of the world around him. Was this really a man who could damage America? If the shadow of the Middle East falls over yesterday's destruction, then who else could produce such meticulously timed assaults? The rag-tag Palestinian groups that used to favour hijacking are unlikely to be able to produce a single suicide bomber. Hamas and Islamic Jihad have neither the capability nor the money that this assault needed. Perhaps the groups that moved close to the Lebanese Hizbollah in the 1980s, before the organisation became solely a resistance movement. The bombing of the US Marines in 1983 needed precision, timing and infinite planning. But Iran, which supported these groups, is more involved in its internal struggles. Iraq lies broken, its agents more intent on torturing their own people than striking at the the US. So the mountains of Afghanistan will be photographed from satellite and high-altitude aircraft in the coming days, Mr bin Laden's old training camps highlighted on the overhead projectors in the Pentagon. But to what end? For if this is a war it cannot be fought like other wars. Indeed, can it be fought at all without some costly military adventure overseas? Or is that what Mr bin Laden seeks above all else? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From flier at FAS.HARVARD.EDU Thu Sep 13 01:10:55 2001 From: flier at FAS.HARVARD.EDU (Michael S. Flier) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:10:55 -0400 Subject: Noam Chomsky: On the Bombings In-Reply-To: <018301c13bdf$62bec5e0$ca1fbfa8@upenn.edu> Message-ID: Mr. Oushakine: I am appalled by your abuse of a scholarly bulletin board devoted to Slavic languages and literatures to air your personal views concerning the terrorist attack on the United States and the conflict in the Middle East by disseminating recent articles by Chomsky and Fisk through SEELANGS. If you wish to argue about American and Middle Eastern politics publicly, then do so in an appropriate forum, but not on a Slavic bulletin board. This is a gross violation of our common trust. Michael Flier At 07:04 PM 9/12/01 -0400, Serguei Alex. Oushakine wrote: >On the Bombings >Noam Chomsky > > >The terrorist attacks were major atrocities. In scale they may not reach the >level of many others, for example, Clinton's bombing of the Sudan with no >credible pretext, destroying half its pharmaceutical supplies and killing >unknown numbers of people (no one knows, because the US blocked an inquiry >at the UN and no one cares to pursue it). Not to speak of much worse cases, >which easily come to mind. But that this was a horrendous crime is not in >doubt. The primary victims, as usual, were working people: janitors, >secretaries, firemen, etc. It is likely to prove to be a crushing blow to >Palestinians and other poor and oppressed people. It is also likely to lead >to harsh security controls, with many possible ramifications for undermining >civil liberties and internal freedom. > >The events reveal, dramatically, the foolishness of the project of "missile >defense." As has been obvious all along, and pointed out repeatedly by >strategic analysts, if anyone wants to cause immense damage in the US, >including weapons of mass destruction, they are highly unlikely to launch a >missile attack, thus guaranteeing their immediate destruction. There are >innumerable easier ways that are basically unstoppable. But today's events >will, very likely, be exploited to increase the pressure to develop these >systems and put them into place. "Defense" is a thin cover for plans for >militarization of space, and with good PR, even the flimsiest arguments will >carry some weight among a frightened public. > >In short, the crime is a gift to the hard jingoist right, those who hope to >use force to control their domains. That is even putting aside the likely US >actions, and what they will trigger -- possibly more attacks like this one, >or worse. The prospects ahead are even more ominous than they appeared to be >before the latest atrocities. > >As to how to react, we have a choice. We can express justified horror; we >can seek to understand what may have led to the crimes, which means making >an effort to enter the minds of the likely perpetrators. If we choose the >latter course, we can do no better, I think, than to listen to the words of >Robert Fisk, whose direct knowledge and insight into affairs of the region >is unmatched after many years of distinguished reporting. Describing "The >wickedness and awesome cruelty of a crushed and humiliated people," he >writes that "this is not the war of democracy versus terror that the world >will be asked to believe in the coming days. It is also about American >missiles smashing into Palestinian homes and US helicopters firing missiles >into a Lebanese ambulance in 1996 and American shells crashing into a >village called Qana and about a Lebanese militia - paid and uniformed by >America's Israeli ally - hacking and raping and murdering their way through >refugee camps." And much more. Again, we have a choice: we may try to >understand, or refuse to do so, contributing to the likelihood that much >worse lies ahead. > >Noam Chomsky > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription > options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: > http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------- ****************************************************************************** PROF. MICHAEL S. FLIER, Chairman Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures Harvard University Barker Center, 12 Quincy Street Cambridge, MA 02138 : : : : : : : : TEL. (617) 495-4065 [Slavic Department] TEL. (617) 495-4054 [Linguistics Department] TEL. (617) 495-7833 [Ukrainian Research Institute] FAX (617) 864-2167 [private] WEB http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~slavic/faculty/michael_flier.html ****************************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dorwin at CHASS.UTORONTO.CA Thu Sep 13 01:46:32 2001 From: dorwin at CHASS.UTORONTO.CA (Donna Orwin) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:46:32 -0400 Subject: Noam Chomsky: On the Bombings Message-ID: I would like to know how this vicious attack against the United States and the two articles by Robert Fisk (one of which repeats word for word lines from Chomsky) found their way onto SEELANGS. Donna Orwin "Serguei Alex. Oushakine" wrote: > On the Bombings > Noam Chomsky > > The terrorist attacks were major atrocities. In scale they may not reach the > level of many others, for example, Clinton's bombing of the Sudan with no > credible pretext, destroying half its pharmaceutical supplies and killing > unknown numbers of people (no one knows, because the US blocked an inquiry > at the UN and no one cares to pursue it). Not to speak of much worse cases, > which easily come to mind. But that this was a horrendous crime is not in > doubt. The primary victims, as usual, were working people: janitors, > secretaries, firemen, etc. It is likely to prove to be a crushing blow to > Palestinians and other poor and oppressed people. It is also likely to lead > to harsh security controls, with many possible ramifications for undermining > civil liberties and internal freedom. > > The events reveal, dramatically, the foolishness of the project of "missile > defense." As has been obvious all along, and pointed out repeatedly by > strategic analysts, if anyone wants to cause immense damage in the US, > including weapons of mass destruction, they are highly unlikely to launch a > missile attack, thus guaranteeing their immediate destruction. There are > innumerable easier ways that are basically unstoppable. But today's events > will, very likely, be exploited to increase the pressure to develop these > systems and put them into place. "Defense" is a thin cover for plans for > militarization of space, and with good PR, even the flimsiest arguments will > carry some weight among a frightened public. > > In short, the crime is a gift to the hard jingoist right, those who hope to > use force to control their domains. That is even putting aside the likely US > actions, and what they will trigger -- possibly more attacks like this one, > or worse. The prospects ahead are even more ominous than they appeared to be > before the latest atrocities. > > As to how to react, we have a choice. We can express justified horror; we > can seek to understand what may have led to the crimes, which means making > an effort to enter the minds of the likely perpetrators. If we choose the > latter course, we can do no better, I think, than to listen to the words of > Robert Fisk, whose direct knowledge and insight into affairs of the region > is unmatched after many years of distinguished reporting. Describing "The > wickedness and awesome cruelty of a crushed and humiliated people," he > writes that "this is not the war of democracy versus terror that the world > will be asked to believe in the coming days. It is also about American > missiles smashing into Palestinian homes and US helicopters firing missiles > into a Lebanese ambulance in 1996 and American shells crashing into a > village called Qana and about a Lebanese militia - paid and uniformed by > America's Israeli ally - hacking and raping and murdering their way through > refugee camps." And much more. Again, we have a choice: we may try to > understand, or refuse to do so, contributing to the likelihood that much > worse lies ahead. > > Noam Chomsky > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription > options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: > http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From babyaking at STRATOS.NET Thu Sep 13 04:53:53 2001 From: babyaking at STRATOS.NET (Hoyte & Elena King) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:53:53 -0700 Subject: Americans helping Muslims Message-ID: I read the two messages put on the Seelangs board with a great deal of suprise. I too do not see them as appropriate, but since they were posted, wish to reply. I spent a year as a Russian linguist with the US Army in Kosovo, helping to bring peace to a troubled region. The US is helping everyone there, but the MUSLIM Albanians benifit the most. We are not there because they are Muslims, but because we are more able than most to enforce principles of honor in a troubled world. The fact that the majority of Albanians are Muslims has been and will be irrelevant. I personally take exception to the impression given in the two articles to the effect that it is US policy to persecute. This is not the attitude of the US Army or its soldiers. I have heard much much worse from Russian soldiers and officers about Chechnya than what is described in those two articles, by the way. Hoyte King ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From aniekrasz at HOTMAIL.COM Thu Sep 13 02:07:25 2001 From: aniekrasz at HOTMAIL.COM (andrzej niekrasz) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:07:25 -0400 Subject: Noam Chomsky: On the Bombings Message-ID: Dear all: As both a Slavic-born Slavic literatures graduate student (and a subscriber to the "seelangs" list), and as a US resident appalled by yesterday's tragic attacks, I would like to defend Mr. Oushakine's right to post his "personal views" (or Chomsky's, for that matter), and invite a general discussion. As a unique forum for open and often spontaneous discussion among the Slavist community, this listserv should welcome any serious discussion on pressing issues, political or otherwise. It seems to me an important privilege to open a discussion, however brief or limited, of yesterday's shocking events with others from the conscientious academic community. Sincerely, Andrzej Niekrasz Northwestern University >From: "Michael S. Flier" >Reply-To: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list > >To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU >Subject: Re: Noam Chomsky: On the Bombings >Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:10:55 -0400 > >Mr. Oushakine: > >I am appalled by your abuse of a scholarly bulletin board devoted to Slavic >languages and literatures to air your personal views concerning the >terrorist attack on the United States and the conflict in the Middle East >by disseminating recent articles by Chomsky and Fisk through SEELANGS. If >you wish to argue about American and Middle Eastern politics publicly, then >do so in an appropriate forum, but not on a Slavic bulletin board. This is >a gross violation of our common trust. > >Michael Flier > > > >At 07:04 PM 9/12/01 -0400, Serguei Alex. Oushakine wrote: >>On the Bombings >>Noam Chomsky >> >> >>The terrorist attacks were major atrocities. In scale they may not reach >>the >>level of many others, for example, Clinton's bombing of the Sudan with no >>credible pretext, destroying half its pharmaceutical supplies and killing >>unknown numbers of people (no one knows, because the US blocked an inquiry >>at the UN and no one cares to pursue it). Not to speak of much worse >>cases, >>which easily come to mind. But that this was a horrendous crime is not in >>doubt. The primary victims, as usual, were working people: janitors, >>secretaries, firemen, etc. It is likely to prove to be a crushing blow to >>Palestinians and other poor and oppressed people. It is also likely to >>lead >>to harsh security controls, with many possible ramifications for >>undermining >>civil liberties and internal freedom. >> >>The events reveal, dramatically, the foolishness of the project of >>"missile >>defense." As has been obvious all along, and pointed out repeatedly by >>strategic analysts, if anyone wants to cause immense damage in the US, >>including weapons of mass destruction, they are highly unlikely to launch >>a >>missile attack, thus guaranteeing their immediate destruction. There are >>innumerable easier ways that are basically unstoppable. But today's events >>will, very likely, be exploited to increase the pressure to develop these >>systems and put them into place. "Defense" is a thin cover for plans for >>militarization of space, and with good PR, even the flimsiest arguments >>will >>carry some weight among a frightened public. >> >>In short, the crime is a gift to the hard jingoist right, those who hope >>to >>use force to control their domains. That is even putting aside the likely >>US >>actions, and what they will trigger -- possibly more attacks like this >>one, >>or worse. The prospects ahead are even more ominous than they appeared to >>be >>before the latest atrocities. >> >>As to how to react, we have a choice. We can express justified horror; we >>can seek to understand what may have led to the crimes, which means making >>an effort to enter the minds of the likely perpetrators. If we choose the >>latter course, we can do no better, I think, than to listen to the words >>of >>Robert Fisk, whose direct knowledge and insight into affairs of the region >>is unmatched after many years of distinguished reporting. Describing "The >>wickedness and awesome cruelty of a crushed and humiliated people," he >>writes that "this is not the war of democracy versus terror that the world >>will be asked to believe in the coming days. It is also about American >>missiles smashing into Palestinian homes and US helicopters firing >>missiles >>into a Lebanese ambulance in 1996 and American shells crashing into a >>village called Qana and about a Lebanese militia - paid and uniformed by >>America's Israeli ally - hacking and raping and murdering their way >>through >>refugee camps." And much more. Again, we have a choice: we may try to >>understand, or refuse to do so, contributing to the likelihood that much >>worse lies ahead. >> >>Noam Chomsky >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription >> options, and more. 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Subhash -----Original Message----- From: andrzej niekrasz [mailto:aniekrasz at HOTMAIL.COM] Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2001 12:07 To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU Subject: Re: Noam Chomsky: On the Bombings Dear all: As both a Slavic-born Slavic literatures graduate student (and a subscriber to the "seelangs" list), and as a US resident appalled by yesterday's tragic attacks, I would like to defend Mr. Oushakine's right to post his "personal views" (or Chomsky's, for that matter), and invite a general discussion. As a unique forum for open and often spontaneous discussion among the Slavist community, this listserv should welcome any serious discussion on pressing issues, political or otherwise. It seems to me an important privilege to open a discussion, however brief or limited, of yesterday's shocking events with others from the conscientious academic community. Sincerely, Andrzej Niekrasz Northwestern University >From: "Michael S. Flier" >Reply-To: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list > >To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU >Subject: Re: Noam Chomsky: On the Bombings >Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:10:55 -0400 > >Mr. Oushakine: > >I am appalled by your abuse of a scholarly bulletin board devoted to Slavic >languages and literatures to air your personal views concerning the >terrorist attack on the United States and the conflict in the Middle East >by disseminating recent articles by Chomsky and Fisk through SEELANGS. If >you wish to argue about American and Middle Eastern politics publicly, then >do so in an appropriate forum, but not on a Slavic bulletin board. This is >a gross violation of our common trust. > >Michael Flier > > > >At 07:04 PM 9/12/01 -0400, Serguei Alex. Oushakine wrote: >>On the Bombings >>Noam Chomsky >> >> >>The terrorist attacks were major atrocities. In scale they may not reach >>the >>level of many others, for example, Clinton's bombing of the Sudan with no >>credible pretext, destroying half its pharmaceutical supplies and killing >>unknown numbers of people (no one knows, because the US blocked an inquiry >>at the UN and no one cares to pursue it). Not to speak of much worse >>cases, >>which easily come to mind. But that this was a horrendous crime is not in >>doubt. The primary victims, as usual, were working people: janitors, >>secretaries, firemen, etc. It is likely to prove to be a crushing blow to >>Palestinians and other poor and oppressed people. It is also likely to >>lead >>to harsh security controls, with many possible ramifications for >>undermining >>civil liberties and internal freedom. >> >>The events reveal, dramatically, the foolishness of the project of >>"missile >>defense." As has been obvious all along, and pointed out repeatedly by >>strategic analysts, if anyone wants to cause immense damage in the US, >>including weapons of mass destruction, they are highly unlikely to launch >>a >>missile attack, thus guaranteeing their immediate destruction. There are >>innumerable easier ways that are basically unstoppable. But today's events >>will, very likely, be exploited to increase the pressure to develop these >>systems and put them into place. "Defense" is a thin cover for plans for >>militarization of space, and with good PR, even the flimsiest arguments >>will >>carry some weight among a frightened public. >> >>In short, the crime is a gift to the hard jingoist right, those who hope >>to >>use force to control their domains. That is even putting aside the likely >>US >>actions, and what they will trigger -- possibly more attacks like this >>one, >>or worse. The prospects ahead are even more ominous than they appeared to >>be >>before the latest atrocities. >> >>As to how to react, we have a choice. We can express justified horror; we >>can seek to understand what may have led to the crimes, which means making >>an effort to enter the minds of the likely perpetrators. If we choose the >>latter course, we can do no better, I think, than to listen to the words >>of >>Robert Fisk, whose direct knowledge and insight into affairs of the region >>is unmatched after many years of distinguished reporting. Describing "The >>wickedness and awesome cruelty of a crushed and humiliated people," he >>writes that "this is not the war of democracy versus terror that the world >>will be asked to believe in the coming days. It is also about American >>missiles smashing into Palestinian homes and US helicopters firing >>missiles >>into a Lebanese ambulance in 1996 and American shells crashing into a >>village called Qana and about a Lebanese militia - paid and uniformed by >>America's Israeli ally - hacking and raping and murdering their way >>through >>refugee camps." And much more. Again, we have a choice: we may try to >>understand, or refuse to do so, contributing to the likelihood that much >>worse lies ahead. >> >>Noam Chomsky >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription >> options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: >> http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >*************************************************************************** *** >PROF. MICHAEL S. 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Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From wm6 at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Thu Sep 13 02:37:49 2001 From: wm6 at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (wm6 at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:37:49 -0500 Subject: Noam Chomsky: On the Bombings In-Reply-To: <28DE833A781BD511839600D0B772248F5CEA6C@agsomail1.agso.gov.au> Message-ID: i agree with andrzej's defense of mr. oushakine's posting of chomsky's and fisk's statements. as scholars, we are, after all, committed to redressing failures of intelligence. thinking critically about yesterday's events and what led to them should in no way diminish anyone's feelings of outrage and of solidarity with the victims and with the united states and its people. bill martin (stranded in nova scotia) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From goscilo+ at PITT.EDU Thu Sep 13 02:39:46 2001 From: goscilo+ at PITT.EDU (Helena Goscilo) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:39:46 -0400 Subject: Noam Chomsky: On the Bombings In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20010912204415.00b617a0@pop.fas.harvard.edu> Message-ID: Dear Michael and Colleagues, I sense a confusion or a conflation here between a posting and an endorsement. For at least the last two years Sergei Ushakin (in his exotic transliteration as S. Oushakine--fate in the form of international politics/bureaucracy, not choice) has posted at least two hundred messages that have not been misapprehended as items symptomatizing his personal or professional passions. No one has objected, for his unpaid service has provided invaluable information for countless colleagues, while those not interested could always press the button we all wish could be connected to tenured deadwood colleagues--"Delete." In his latest message, as in all others, he simply passed on information that I found of more interest than requests from colleagues incapable of consulting their libraries or dictionaries regarding basic information about literary and historical personae or about the Russian equivalent of manure or the English translation of "new" Russian words that have been around for the last quarter-century. Doesn't it make sense to express outrage when something genuinely outrageous occurs (yesterday's nightmare, for instance) rather than in response to one of Sergei's non-partisan postings, the intent of which, I surmise, is to generate discussion? If I misread you, Michael, I apologize in advance, but my sense is that you are reading Sergei Ushakin in terms not relevant to his posting. Helena Goscilo --On Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:10 PM -0400 "Michael S. Flier" wrote:r > Mr. Oushakine: > > I am appalled by your abuse of a scholarly bulletin board devoted to > Slavic languages and literatures to air your personal views concerning the > terrorist attack on the United States and the conflict in the Middle East > by disseminating recent articles by Chomsky and Fisk through SEELANGS. If > you wish to argue about American and Middle Eastern politics publicly, > then do so in an appropriate forum, but not on a Slavic bulletin board. > This is a gross violation of our common trust. > > Michael Flier > > > > At 07:04 PM 9/12/01 -0400, Serguei Alex. Oushakine wrote: >> On the Bombings >> Noam Chomsky >> >> >> The terrorist attacks were major atrocities. In scale they may not reach >> the level of many others, for example, Clinton's bombing of the Sudan >> with no credible pretext, destroying half its pharmaceutical supplies >> and killing unknown numbers of people (no one knows, because the US >> blocked an inquiry at the UN and no one cares to pursue it). Not to >> speak of much worse cases, which easily come to mind. But that this was >> a horrendous crime is not in doubt. The primary victims, as usual, were >> working people: janitors, secretaries, firemen, etc. It is likely to >> prove to be a crushing blow to Palestinians and other poor and oppressed >> people. It is also likely to lead to harsh security controls, with many >> possible ramifications for undermining civil liberties and internal >> freedom. >> >> The events reveal, dramatically, the foolishness of the project of >> "missile defense." As has been obvious all along, and pointed out >> repeatedly by strategic analysts, if anyone wants to cause immense >> damage in the US, including weapons of mass destruction, they are highly >> unlikely to launch a missile attack, thus guaranteeing their immediate >> destruction. There are innumerable easier ways that are basically >> unstoppable. But today's events will, very likely, be exploited to >> increase the pressure to develop these systems and put them into place. >> "Defense" is a thin cover for plans for militarization of space, and >> with good PR, even the flimsiest arguments will carry some weight among >> a frightened public. >> >> In short, the crime is a gift to the hard jingoist right, those who hope >> to use force to control their domains. That is even putting aside the >> likely US actions, and what they will trigger -- possibly more attacks >> like this one, or worse. The prospects ahead are even more ominous than >> they appeared to be before the latest atrocities. >> >> As to how to react, we have a choice. We can express justified horror; we >> can seek to understand what may have led to the crimes, which means >> making an effort to enter the minds of the likely perpetrators. If we >> choose the latter course, we can do no better, I think, than to listen >> to the words of Robert Fisk, whose direct knowledge and insight into >> affairs of the region is unmatched after many years of distinguished >> reporting. Describing "The wickedness and awesome cruelty of a crushed >> and humiliated people," he writes that "this is not the war of democracy >> versus terror that the world will be asked to believe in the coming >> days. It is also about American missiles smashing into Palestinian homes >> and US helicopters firing missiles into a Lebanese ambulance in 1996 and >> American shells crashing into a village called Qana and about a Lebanese >> militia - paid and uniformed by America's Israeli ally - hacking and >> raping and murdering their way through refugee camps." And much more. >> Again, we have a choice: we may try to understand, or refuse to do so, >> contributing to the likelihood that much worse lies ahead. >> >> Noam Chomsky >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription >> options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: >> http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ************************************************************************* > ***** PROF. MICHAEL S. 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Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dworth at UCLA.EDU Thu Sep 13 03:05:23 2001 From: dworth at UCLA.EDU (Dean Worth) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 20:05:23 -0700 Subject: Noam Chomsky: On the Bombings In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20010912204415.00b617a0@pop.fas.harvard.edu> Message-ID: Dear Seelangs recipients, I support Michael Flier's comments. I think it essential that we concentrate on what unites us (some ill-defined devotion to Slavic cultures, I suppose) and our surely widely varying views of the political world in which we live. I agree with a lot of what Noam Chomsky has to say, but our Slavic part of the net is the wrong place to pursue this. Dean Worth At 09:10 PM 9/12/01 -0400, you wrote: >Mr. Oushakine: > >I am appalled by your abuse of a scholarly bulletin board devoted to Slavic >languages and literatures to air your personal views concerning the >terrorist attack on the United States and the conflict in the Middle East >by disseminating recent articles by Chomsky and Fisk through SEELANGS. If >you wish to argue about American and Middle Eastern politics publicly, then >do so in an appropriate forum, but not on a Slavic bulletin board. This is >a gross violation of our common trust. > >Michael Flier > > > >At 07:04 PM 9/12/01 -0400, Serguei Alex. Oushakine wrote: >>On the Bombings >>Noam Chomsky >> >> >>The terrorist attacks were major atrocities. In scale they may not reach the >>level of many others, for example, Clinton's bombing of the Sudan with no >>credible pretext, destroying half its pharmaceutical supplies and killing >>unknown numbers of people (no one knows, because the US blocked an inquiry >>at the UN and no one cares to pursue it). Not to speak of much worse cases, >>which easily come to mind. But that this was a horrendous crime is not in >>doubt. The primary victims, as usual, were working people: janitors, >>secretaries, firemen, etc. It is likely to prove to be a crushing blow to >>Palestinians and other poor and oppressed people. It is also likely to lead >>to harsh security controls, with many possible ramifications for undermining >>civil liberties and internal freedom. >> >>The events reveal, dramatically, the foolishness of the project of "missile >>defense." As has been obvious all along, and pointed out repeatedly by >>strategic analysts, if anyone wants to cause immense damage in the US, >>including weapons of mass destruction, they are highly unlikely to launch a >>missile attack, thus guaranteeing their immediate destruction. There are >>innumerable easier ways that are basically unstoppable. But today's events >>will, very likely, be exploited to increase the pressure to develop these >>systems and put them into place. "Defense" is a thin cover for plans for >>militarization of space, and with good PR, even the flimsiest arguments will >>carry some weight among a frightened public. >> >>In short, the crime is a gift to the hard jingoist right, those who hope to >>use force to control their domains. That is even putting aside the likely US >>actions, and what they will trigger -- possibly more attacks like this one, >>or worse. The prospects ahead are even more ominous than they appeared to be >>before the latest atrocities. >> >>As to how to react, we have a choice. We can express justified horror; we >>can seek to understand what may have led to the crimes, which means making >>an effort to enter the minds of the likely perpetrators. If we choose the >>latter course, we can do no better, I think, than to listen to the words of >>Robert Fisk, whose direct knowledge and insight into affairs of the region >>is unmatched after many years of distinguished reporting. Describing "The >>wickedness and awesome cruelty of a crushed and humiliated people," he >>writes that "this is not the war of democracy versus terror that the world >>will be asked to believe in the coming days. It is also about American >>missiles smashing into Palestinian homes and US helicopters firing missiles >>into a Lebanese ambulance in 1996 and American shells crashing into a >>village called Qana and about a Lebanese militia - paid and uniformed by >>America's Israeli ally - hacking and raping and murdering their way through >>refugee camps." And much more. Again, we have a choice: we may try to >>understand, or refuse to do so, contributing to the likelihood that much >>worse lies ahead. >> >>Noam Chomsky >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription >> options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: >> http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >*************************************************************************** *** >PROF. MICHAEL S. FLIER, Chairman > >Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures >Harvard University >Barker Center, 12 Quincy Street >Cambridge, MA 02138 > > : : : : : : : : > >TEL. (617) 495-4065 [Slavic Department] >TEL. (617) 495-4054 [Linguistics Department] >TEL. (617) 495-7833 [Ukrainian Research Institute] >FAX (617) 864-2167 [private] >WEB http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~slavic/faculty/michael_flier.html > >*************************************************************************** *** > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription > options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: > http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From flier at FAS.HARVARD.EDU Thu Sep 13 03:03:06 2001 From: flier at FAS.HARVARD.EDU (Michael S. Flier) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:03:06 -0400 Subject: Noam Chomsky: On the Bombings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Mr. Niekrasz: I beg to differ. Participation in a bulletin is not a right, but a privilege granted by the "owner," in this case Alex Rudd. When one subscribes to a bulletin board and is granted access, it is with the implicit agreement that the subscriber will abide by the guidelines established by the owner. SEELANGS is meant primarily for topics of interest to teachers of Slavic and East European languages and literatures. A reasonable person would expect that said topics would have something to do with Slavic and East European languages and literatures. It would be useful if Alex himself would clarify his views on this issue. Michael Flier At 10:07 PM 9/12/01 -0400, you wrote: >Dear all: > >As both a Slavic-born Slavic literatures graduate student (and a subscriber >to the "seelangs" list), and as a US resident appalled by yesterday's tragic >attacks, I would like to defend Mr. Oushakine's right to post his "personal >views" (or Chomsky's, for that matter), and invite a general discussion. As >a unique forum for open and often spontaneous discussion among the Slavist >community, this listserv should welcome any serious discussion on pressing >issues, political or otherwise. It seems to me an important privilege to >open a discussion, however brief or limited, of yesterday's shocking events >with others from the conscientious academic community. > >Sincerely, >Andrzej Niekrasz >Northwestern University > > >>From: "Michael S. Flier" >>Reply-To: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list >> >>To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU >>Subject: Re: Noam Chomsky: On the Bombings >>Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:10:55 -0400 >> >>Mr. Oushakine: >> >>I am appalled by your abuse of a scholarly bulletin board devoted to Slavic >>languages and literatures to air your personal views concerning the >>terrorist attack on the United States and the conflict in the Middle East >>by disseminating recent articles by Chomsky and Fisk through SEELANGS. If >>you wish to argue about American and Middle Eastern politics publicly, then >>do so in an appropriate forum, but not on a Slavic bulletin board. This is >>a gross violation of our common trust. >> >>Michael Flier >> >> >> >>At 07:04 PM 9/12/01 -0400, Serguei Alex. Oushakine wrote: >>>On the Bombings >>>Noam Chomsky >>> >>> >>>The terrorist attacks were major atrocities. In scale they may not reach >>>the >>>level of many others, for example, Clinton's bombing of the Sudan with no >>>credible pretext, destroying half its pharmaceutical supplies and killing >>>unknown numbers of people (no one knows, because the US blocked an inquiry >>>at the UN and no one cares to pursue it). Not to speak of much worse >>>cases, >>>which easily come to mind. But that this was a horrendous crime is not in >>>doubt. The primary victims, as usual, were working people: janitors, >>>secretaries, firemen, etc. It is likely to prove to be a crushing blow to >>>Palestinians and other poor and oppressed people. It is also likely to >>>lead >>>to harsh security controls, with many possible ramifications for >>>undermining >>>civil liberties and internal freedom. >>> >>>The events reveal, dramatically, the foolishness of the project of >>>"missile >>>defense." As has been obvious all along, and pointed out repeatedly by >>>strategic analysts, if anyone wants to cause immense damage in the US, >>>including weapons of mass destruction, they are highly unlikely to launch >>>a >>>missile attack, thus guaranteeing their immediate destruction. There are >>>innumerable easier ways that are basically unstoppable. But today's events >>>will, very likely, be exploited to increase the pressure to develop these >>>systems and put them into place. "Defense" is a thin cover for plans for >>>militarization of space, and with good PR, even the flimsiest arguments >>>will >>>carry some weight among a frightened public. >>> >>>In short, the crime is a gift to the hard jingoist right, those who hope >>>to >>>use force to control their domains. That is even putting aside the likely >>>US >>>actions, and what they will trigger -- possibly more attacks like this >>>one, >>>or worse. The prospects ahead are even more ominous than they appeared to >>>be >>>before the latest atrocities. >>> >>>As to how to react, we have a choice. We can express justified horror; we >>>can seek to understand what may have led to the crimes, which means making >>>an effort to enter the minds of the likely perpetrators. If we choose the >>>latter course, we can do no better, I think, than to listen to the words >>>of >>>Robert Fisk, whose direct knowledge and insight into affairs of the region >>>is unmatched after many years of distinguished reporting. Describing "The >>>wickedness and awesome cruelty of a crushed and humiliated people," he >>>writes that "this is not the war of democracy versus terror that the world >>>will be asked to believe in the coming days. It is also about American >>>missiles smashing into Palestinian homes and US helicopters firing >>>missiles >>>into a Lebanese ambulance in 1996 and American shells crashing into a >>>village called Qana and about a Lebanese militia - paid and uniformed by >>>America's Israeli ally - hacking and raping and murdering their way >>>through >>>refugee camps." And much more. Again, we have a choice: we may try to >>>understand, or refuse to do so, contributing to the likelihood that much >>>worse lies ahead. >>> >>>Noam Chomsky >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription >>> options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: >>> http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>****************************************************************************** >>PROF. MICHAEL S. FLIER, Chairman >> >>Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures >>Harvard University >>Barker Center, 12 Quincy Street >>Cambridge, MA 02138 >> >> : : : : : : : : >> >>TEL. (617) 495-4065 [Slavic Department] >>TEL. (617) 495-4054 [Linguistics Department] >>TEL. (617) 495-7833 [Ukrainian Research Institute] >>FAX (617) 864-2167 [private] >>WEB http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~slavic/faculty/michael_flier.html >> >>****************************************************************************** >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription >> options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: >> http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription > options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: > http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------- ****************************************************************************** PROF. MICHAEL S. FLIER, Chairman Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures Harvard University Barker Center, 12 Quincy Street Cambridge, MA 02138 : : : : : : : : TEL. (617) 495-4065 [Slavic Department] TEL. (617) 495-4054 [Linguistics Department] TEL. (617) 495-7833 [Ukrainian Research Institute] FAX (617) 864-2167 [private] WEB http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~slavic/faculty/michael_flier.html ****************************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sao15 at COLUMBIA.EDU Thu Sep 13 03:35:27 2001 From: sao15 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Serguei Alex. Oushakine) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:35:27 -0400 Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Message-ID: Serguei Alex Oushakine ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From flier at FAS.HARVARD.EDU Thu Sep 13 03:46:38 2001 From: flier at FAS.HARVARD.EDU (Michael S. Flier) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:46:38 -0400 Subject: Noam Chomsky: On the Bombings In-Reply-To: <3901973488.1000334386@ehdup-e-57.rmt.net.pitt.edu> Message-ID: Dear Helena, There is no confusion or conflation whatsoever. I have no trouble distinguishing a simple posting of information useful to a Slavist from the republication of all or most of two personal accounts of American foreign policy and the Middle East. Given the apparent stance of the publications cited (and, by the way, it is against SEELANGS guidelines to publish whole texts or huge chunks thereof), it strains credulity to think that Mr. Oushakine is not endorsing the political views stated, but simply "posting" them in the spirit of nonpartisanship. As Dean Worth correctly concludes, "I think it essential that we concentrate on what unites us," roughly, our interest and devotion to the languages, literatures, and cultures of the Slavs. Sincerely, Michael P.S. I agree completely with your assessment of some of the requests made on SEELANGS At 10:39 PM 9/12/01 -0400, you wrote: >Dear Michael and Colleagues, > >I sense a confusion or a conflation here between a posting and an >endorsement. For at least the last two years Sergei Ushakin (in his exotic >transliteration as S. Oushakine--fate in the form of international >politics/bureaucracy, not choice) has posted at least two hundred messages >that have not been misapprehended as items symptomatizing his personal or >professional passions. No one has objected, for his unpaid service has >provided invaluable information for countless colleagues, while those not >interested could always press the button we all wish could be connected to >tenured deadwood colleagues--"Delete." In his latest message, as in all >others, he simply passed on information that I found of more interest than >requests from colleagues incapable of consulting their libraries or >dictionaries regarding basic information about literary and historical >personae or about the Russian equivalent of manure or the English >translation of "new" Russian words that have been around for the last >quarter-century. >Doesn't it make sense to express outrage when something genuinely >outrageous occurs (yesterday's nightmare, for instance) rather than in >response to one of Sergei's non-partisan postings, the intent of which, I >surmise, is to generate discussion? If I misread you, Michael, I apologize >in advance, but my sense is that you are reading Sergei >Ushakin in terms not relevant to his posting. > >Helena Goscilo > >--On Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:10 PM -0400 "Michael S. Flier" > wrote:r > >>Mr. Oushakine: >> >>I am appalled by your abuse of a scholarly bulletin board devoted to >>Slavic languages and literatures to air your personal views concerning the >>terrorist attack on the United States and the conflict in the Middle East >>by disseminating recent articles by Chomsky and Fisk through SEELANGS. If >>you wish to argue about American and Middle Eastern politics publicly, >>then do so in an appropriate forum, but not on a Slavic bulletin board. >>This is a gross violation of our common trust. >> >>Michael Flier >> >> >> >>At 07:04 PM 9/12/01 -0400, Serguei Alex. Oushakine wrote: >>>On the Bombings >>>Noam Chomsky >>> >>> >>>The terrorist attacks were major atrocities. In scale they may not reach >>>the level of many others, for example, Clinton's bombing of the Sudan >>>with no credible pretext, destroying half its pharmaceutical supplies >>>and killing unknown numbers of people (no one knows, because the US >>>blocked an inquiry at the UN and no one cares to pursue it). Not to >>>speak of much worse cases, which easily come to mind. But that this was >>>a horrendous crime is not in doubt. The primary victims, as usual, were >>>working people: janitors, secretaries, firemen, etc. It is likely to >>>prove to be a crushing blow to Palestinians and other poor and oppressed >>>people. It is also likely to lead to harsh security controls, with many >>>possible ramifications for undermining civil liberties and internal >>>freedom. >>> >>>The events reveal, dramatically, the foolishness of the project of >>>"missile defense." As has been obvious all along, and pointed out >>>repeatedly by strategic analysts, if anyone wants to cause immense >>>damage in the US, including weapons of mass destruction, they are highly >>>unlikely to launch a missile attack, thus guaranteeing their immediate >>>destruction. There are innumerable easier ways that are basically >>>unstoppable. But today's events will, very likely, be exploited to >>>increase the pressure to develop these systems and put them into place. >>>"Defense" is a thin cover for plans for militarization of space, and >>>with good PR, even the flimsiest arguments will carry some weight among >>>a frightened public. >>> >>>In short, the crime is a gift to the hard jingoist right, those who hope >>>to use force to control their domains. That is even putting aside the >>>likely US actions, and what they will trigger -- possibly more attacks >>>like this one, or worse. The prospects ahead are even more ominous than >>>they appeared to be before the latest atrocities. >>> >>>As to how to react, we have a choice. We can express justified horror; we >>>can seek to understand what may have led to the crimes, which means >>>making an effort to enter the minds of the likely perpetrators. If we >>>choose the latter course, we can do no better, I think, than to listen >>>to the words of Robert Fisk, whose direct knowledge and insight into >>>affairs of the region is unmatched after many years of distinguished >>>reporting. Describing "The wickedness and awesome cruelty of a crushed >>>and humiliated people," he writes that "this is not the war of democracy >>>versus terror that the world will be asked to believe in the coming >>>days. It is also about American missiles smashing into Palestinian homes >>>and US helicopters firing missiles into a Lebanese ambulance in 1996 and >>>American shells crashing into a village called Qana and about a Lebanese >>>militia - paid and uniformed by America's Israeli ally - hacking and >>>raping and murdering their way through refugee camps." And much more. >>>Again, we have a choice: we may try to understand, or refuse to do so, >>>contributing to the likelihood that much worse lies ahead. >>> >>>Noam Chomsky >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription >>> options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: >>> http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>************************************************************************* >>***** PROF. MICHAEL S. FLIER, Chairman >> >>Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures >>Harvard University >>Barker Center, 12 Quincy Street >>Cambridge, MA 02138 >> >> : : : : : : : : >> >>TEL. (617) 495-4065 [Slavic Department] >>TEL. (617) 495-4054 [Linguistics Department] >>TEL. (617) 495-7833 [Ukrainian Research Institute] >>FAX (617) 864-2167 [private] >>WEB http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~slavic/faculty/michael_flier.html >> >>************************************************************************* >>***** >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription >> options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: >> http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription > options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: > http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------- ****************************************************************************** PROF. MICHAEL S. FLIER, Chairman Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures Harvard University Barker Center, 12 Quincy Street Cambridge, MA 02138 : : : : : : : : TEL. (617) 495-4065 [Slavic Department] TEL. (617) 495-4054 [Linguistics Department] TEL. (617) 495-7833 [Ukrainian Research Institute] FAX (617) 864-2167 [private] WEB http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~slavic/faculty/michael_flier.html ****************************************************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Subhash.Jaireth at AGSO.GOV.AU Thu Sep 13 03:48:32 2001 From: Subhash.Jaireth at AGSO.GOV.AU (Subhash.Jaireth at AGSO.GOV.AU) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:48:32 +1000 Subject: Noam Chomsky: On the Bombings Message-ID: This is a censorship of the worst kind. Now we have lost one of the most valuable contributors to the list. Thanks Sergeui Ushakin for your postings Subhash -----Original Message----- From: Michael S. Flier [mailto:flier at FAS.HARVARD.EDU] Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2001 1:03 To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU Subject: Re: Noam Chomsky: On the Bombings Dear Mr. Niekrasz: I beg to differ. Participation in a bulletin is not a right, but a privilege granted by the "owner," in this case Alex Rudd. When one subscribes to a bulletin board and is granted access, it is with the implicit agreement that the subscriber will abide by the guidelines established by the owner. SEELANGS is meant primarily for topics of interest to teachers of Slavic and East European languages and literatures. A reasonable person would expect that said topics would have something to do with Slavic and East European languages and literatures. It would be useful if Alex himself would clarify his views on this issue. Michael Flier At 10:07 PM 9/12/01 -0400, you wrote: >Dear all: > >As both a Slavic-born Slavic literatures graduate student (and a subscriber >to the "seelangs" list), and as a US resident appalled by yesterday's tragic >attacks, I would like to defend Mr. Oushakine's right to post his "personal >views" (or Chomsky's, for that matter), and invite a general discussion. As >a unique forum for open and often spontaneous discussion among the Slavist >community, this listserv should welcome any serious discussion on pressing >issues, political or otherwise. It seems to me an important privilege to >open a discussion, however brief or limited, of yesterday's shocking events >with others from the conscientious academic community. > >Sincerely, >Andrzej Niekrasz >Northwestern University > > >>From: "Michael S. Flier" >>Reply-To: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list >> >>To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU >>Subject: Re: Noam Chomsky: On the Bombings >>Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:10:55 -0400 >> >>Mr. Oushakine: >> >>I am appalled by your abuse of a scholarly bulletin board devoted to Slavic >>languages and literatures to air your personal views concerning the >>terrorist attack on the United States and the conflict in the Middle East >>by disseminating recent articles by Chomsky and Fisk through SEELANGS. If >>you wish to argue about American and Middle Eastern politics publicly, then >>do so in an appropriate forum, but not on a Slavic bulletin board. This is >>a gross violation of our common trust. >> >>Michael Flier >> >> >> >>At 07:04 PM 9/12/01 -0400, Serguei Alex. Oushakine wrote: >>>On the Bombings >>>Noam Chomsky >>> >>> >>>The terrorist attacks were major atrocities. In scale they may not reach >>>the >>>level of many others, for example, Clinton's bombing of the Sudan with no >>>credible pretext, destroying half its pharmaceutical supplies and killing >>>unknown numbers of people (no one knows, because the US blocked an inquiry >>>at the UN and no one cares to pursue it). Not to speak of much worse >>>cases, >>>which easily come to mind. But that this was a horrendous crime is not in >>>doubt. The primary victims, as usual, were working people: janitors, >>>secretaries, firemen, etc. It is likely to prove to be a crushing blow to >>>Palestinians and other poor and oppressed people. It is also likely to >>>lead >>>to harsh security controls, with many possible ramifications for >>>undermining >>>civil liberties and internal freedom. >>> >>>The events reveal, dramatically, the foolishness of the project of >>>"missile >>>defense." As has been obvious all along, and pointed out repeatedly by >>>strategic analysts, if anyone wants to cause immense damage in the US, >>>including weapons of mass destruction, they are highly unlikely to launch >>>a >>>missile attack, thus guaranteeing their immediate destruction. There are >>>innumerable easier ways that are basically unstoppable. But today's events >>>will, very likely, be exploited to increase the pressure to develop these >>>systems and put them into place. "Defense" is a thin cover for plans for >>>militarization of space, and with good PR, even the flimsiest arguments >>>will >>>carry some weight among a frightened public. >>> >>>In short, the crime is a gift to the hard jingoist right, those who hope >>>to >>>use force to control their domains. That is even putting aside the likely >>>US >>>actions, and what they will trigger -- possibly more attacks like this >>>one, >>>or worse. The prospects ahead are even more ominous than they appeared to >>>be >>>before the latest atrocities. >>> >>>As to how to react, we have a choice. We can express justified horror; we >>>can seek to understand what may have led to the crimes, which means making >>>an effort to enter the minds of the likely perpetrators. If we choose the >>>latter course, we can do no better, I think, than to listen to the words >>>of >>>Robert Fisk, whose direct knowledge and insight into affairs of the region >>>is unmatched after many years of distinguished reporting. Describing "The >>>wickedness and awesome cruelty of a crushed and humiliated people," he >>>writes that "this is not the war of democracy versus terror that the world >>>will be asked to believe in the coming days. It is also about American >>>missiles smashing into Palestinian homes and US helicopters firing >>>missiles >>>into a Lebanese ambulance in 1996 and American shells crashing into a >>>village called Qana and about a Lebanese militia - paid and uniformed by >>>America's Israeli ally - hacking and raping and murdering their way >>>through >>>refugee camps." And much more. Again, we have a choice: we may try to >>>understand, or refuse to do so, contributing to the likelihood that much >>>worse lies ahead. >>> >>>Noam Chomsky >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription >>> options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: >>> http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>************************************************************************** **** >>PROF. MICHAEL S. FLIER, Chairman >> >>Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures >>Harvard University >>Barker Center, 12 Quincy Street >>Cambridge, MA 02138 >> >> : : : : : : : : >> >>TEL. (617) 495-4065 [Slavic Department] >>TEL. (617) 495-4054 [Linguistics Department] >>TEL. (617) 495-7833 [Ukrainian Research Institute] >>FAX (617) 864-2167 [private] >>WEB http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~slavic/faculty/michael_flier.html >> >>************************************************************************** **** >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription >> options, and more. 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Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From AHRJJ at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU Thu Sep 13 04:32:50 2001 From: AHRJJ at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (Alex Rudd) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 00:32:50 EDT Subject: SEELANGS Administrivia - Purpose Clarification Message-ID: Dear SEELANGS Members, This won't be an extremely long post, because there's really only so much I want to say on this subject. You've all presumably been following the last few posts, so I will eschew the contextual explanation and dive right into individual responses. Michael Flier wrote: >It would be useful if Alex himself would clarify his views on this issue. I'd be pleased to do that. Andrzej Niekrasz wrote: >I would like to defend Mr. Oushakine's right to post his "personal >views" (or Chomsky's, for that matter), and invite a general discussion. As >a unique forum for open and often spontaneous discussion among the Slavist >community, this listserv should welcome any serious discussion on pressing >issues, political or otherwise. Your first misconception is that Mr. Oushakine or you or anyone else has a right to post anything to SEELANGS. When it comes right down to it, SEELANGS is just a LISTSERV discussion list. Like all such discussion lists, there are resources put into running it and you pay for none of them. The service is provided to you gratis through the generosity of the computer center of the City University of New York because CUNY provides the hardware and software. I provide the human administration and support and have done so since 1993. Those of you who were subscribed back then might remember a posting from a CUNY computer center administrator advising us that SEELANGS (at the time) was without a list owner and would be taken out of existence if one was not found. I volunteered to take over then and I've been volunteering ever since. I am not a Slavicist and I don't belong to AATSEEL, so you will never see me, and have never seen me, post here pretending to be one or to have any expertise I do not. I am, however, the list owner here. Among my duties is to set the guidelines and to see to the orderly administration of the list. If you have a problem with that, please feel free to find a list server and start your own list. Subhash Jaireth wrote: >I whole heartedly support Andrzei. The 'Slavic World' and its bulletin board >is not isolated from whatever is happening in the world. Members of the "Slavic World" are also members of the world community in general and, as such, are as affected by what happened Tuesday as anyone else. SEELANGS, however, certainly can be "isolated" from discussion of the tragedy. In fact, given the saturation level of information and images we've reached since Tuesday morning, the better argument is that SEELANGS *should* be "isolated" from it all, as we all need to seek some sense of normalcy in our lives, and for many people, this is the kind of grounding they need. Bill Martin wrote: >i agree with andrzej's defense of mr. oushakine's posting of chomsky's and >fisk's statements. as scholars, we are, after all, committed to redressing >failures of intelligence. thinking critically about yesterday's events and >what led to them should in no way diminish anyone's feelings of outrage and >of solidarity with the victims and with the united states and its people. I agree with the sentiment that it is useful to think critically and to examine how this nightmare could have happened. I disagree with you if you're telling us that SEELANGS is the place to do that. It is certainly not. SEELANGS exists to facilitate discussion of Russian and other Slavic and East European languages and literatures and for no other reason. If list members stray from that purpose now and again it's never further than to post a job announcement or an apartment for rent, but it's always got something to do, even tangentially, with why the average list member is subscribed. No one joined this list to pick apart essays written about a terrorist attack on the United States. If you'd like to use your on-line time to discuss what happened, there are numerous other places on the net where you can do that and finding them is not difficult. Helena Goscilo wrote: >Doesn't it make sense to express outrage when something genuinely >outrageous occurs (yesterday's nightmare, for instance) rather than in >response to one of Sergei's non-partisan postings, the intent of which, I >surmise, is to generate discussion Doesn't it make sense that any outrage expressed at a cowardly attack upon the United States be expressed somewhere other than on an e-mail discussion list populated by people who are here to discuss topics related to Slavic languages and literatures? Generating discussion is always laudable, but imposing a place restriction is reasonable. Subhash Jaireth again wrote: >This is a censorship of the worst kind. > >Now we have lost one of the most valuable contributors to the list. Censorship by whom? Serguei Oushakine is no longer subscribed to SEELANGS because he chose to unsubscribe. That was a choice he made. No one made it for him. Mr. Oushakine has not been censored and is not banned from the list. He may resubscribe if he wishes. Michael Flier asked for clarification and there it is. The bottom line is this: SEELANGS is not the place for general discussion of the horror that took place on Tuesday nor of any published opinions about it. Having said that, please note that we have guidelines here on SEELANGS, we do not have policies. The choice of language was purposeful. To a person, I'm certain, the SEELANGS membership is comprised of thoughtful, intelligent, mature adults who can express themselves in appropriate manners and who can master any e-mail software program if they choose to do that. Accordingly, in the past, I've had only to ask for something here and you've all complied. I love that. I administer two other lists for which I do not have guidelines and do have policies governing their use. For example, whereas here my admonition not to quote entire original messages in the body of replies on the list is embodied in a guideline with no attendant consequences, on my other lists it is policy. If someone replies to a message on the list and includes the entire original message to which he is replying and that original message is comprised of more than just a few lines of text, then the offending subscriber is set to NOPOST, rendering him unauthorized to post to the list until I take the time to point out his error. I don't do that here because I don't think I have to. You could all choose to comply with our guidelines if you wanted to do that. I note sadly that of all the list members I quoted above, only Bill Martin did not violate our guideline on quoting entire messages in replies. Would it help the cause of the conservation of our scarce computer resources if I began now to moderate SEELANGS and to screen each message submitted for posting before allowing it to be distributed to all the list members? Undoubtedly. But I'm not going to do that. There is balancing here. On the one hand, there is a need to conserve our resources. On the other, I don't have the time to moderate this list. Moreover, complying with the simple guidelines we have in place here is *not* difficult. You could do it if you tried. My point? Before you whine about censorship on this list, look in the mirror and ask how you feel about abusing the resources here, resources for which you pay absolutely nothing. Hmmm... I said this wasn't going to be an extremely long post. I guess I had more to say than I first thought. Please send any questions, comments, concerns, etc. *off* list and return your attention here to the topics for which SEELANGS exists. If you need your own copy of our Welcome message, which contains all the list guidelines, you can send the command: GET WELCOME SEELANGS in the body of e-mail to: LISTSERV at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU You can also find it on our web site. The URL is below. Thank you all for your understanding and cooperation. - Alex, list owner of SEELANGS seelangs-request at listserv.cuny.edu .................................................................... Alex Rudd ahrjj at cunyvm.cuny.edu ARS KA2ZOO {Standard Disclaimer} http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From LILAC1549 at AOL.COM Thu Sep 13 06:18:50 2001 From: LILAC1549 at AOL.COM (Kristina Efimenko) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 02:18:50 EDT Subject: Noam Chomsky: On the Bombings Message-ID: Dear All, I hope I can express clearly what I mean to convey on the discussion of whether certain people's comments should be allowed to be printed on SEELANGS listserv. I feel I must present my opinions. First of all, I guess I really don't understand that there could be "rules" to abide by for participants of SEELANGS listserv that could spell out what a person may and may not say. Is it in question whether Fisk and Chomsky have the "right" to air their personal or political views on SEELANGS? Or is it because they hold views which are not held by the majority? At issue, I believe, is what topics are permissable to discuss on SEELANGS. I challenge everyone to think about this: Is SEELANGS only for discussing issues relating to the Russian language? and does that mean that we can only discuss the Russian language through literature and poetry? Does it mean that issues of Russian ( or more properly, Russian used to be used to be used to cover all of the 15 former republics of the Soviet Union ) culture are not even appropriate? No, of course not you might say : the study of language is part of learning a language. Yes, so therefore we are also involved in possibly how to teach students about Russian culture, certainly about the Russian Revolution, etc. Actually before the breakup, students didn't learn so much about the names of the 15 republics of the Soviet Union until it broke up and those all had become countries. After the break-up, some school teachers in my children's school even asked me to come explain to the school children where these newly independent countries were and what the names of them were. They were not even knowledgeable enough to teach students about those regions. Professors scrambled to publish books about these newly free, almost newly discovered, countries. Some Russian Studies professors or Russian language were consulted by the local media who had little knowledge of that part of the world, looking to them for information.Was information about those former republics taught to students who were taught the Russian language? Today, people of the general public look to people who have studied Russian to be knowledgeable about all the areas of the former Soviet Union. Usually students of Russian often were not taught that not all the people of those republics spoke Russian as their native language? I think because Russia (the Soviet Union) wanted the U.S. to think of them as one nation. This obscured reality and misinformed students and the general public. Well, but I am getting off track, this concern about "unity" in regard to how the American people "should" respond to the tragedy is a misguided and dangerous outlook, one which could lead to our freedom of speech being curtailed for fear of saying something not understood or accepted or held by the majority. Differing views should be encouraged about any topic, about views on the recent tragedy in NYC and Washington D.C., about how to teach students to acquire a language, and about what is appropriate information to include in teaching the Russian language. The interest in studying language in our schools, high schools and universities, is dying. Why? And this does relate to what I am trying to say. In the recent mailing from AATSEEL describing the election candidates for Vice president, especially in the write up about John Chevalier's bio and opinions, I found a point I do agree with about what people in the profession - of being Russian Langauge professors - must do to retain or maybe even increase the number of students choosing to study Russian : "Rather than clinging to the nostalgia of the past, we need to develop effective, innovative strategies ...We should consider curriculum that goes beyond the bifurcation of language and literature, integrating cultural studies, working with colleagues in other disciplines in music, art, history, and anthropology." Therefore, the point I am trying to make is that there is more to teaching Russian than teaching about how Russians would call "kitty litter" and how the language is constructed. And actually, the study of Russian culture should include art, music, history, foods, etc. and not just of Russian culture but Uzbeki, Kazak, Ukrainian, and all the former republics who are still speaking Russian and affected by life under Russian domination. Now, some students of Russian (or other related languages) have found jobs in far flung areas of the former Soviet Union and they are not only relied on to speak about Russian literature in Russian, sometimes they might be asked their opinions about newsworthy events or life in the newly independent countries or to share their thoughts about events in America. What if that student could not discuss his political views in Russian because he does not have the vocabulary and more importantly maybe because he had no knowledge of historical, cultural, political affairs in any of those former republics of the Soviet Union or any place except his own country? What if he had no experience talking about his own personal views even in his native language? I do believe that we have to encourage the presentation and discussion of different views to educate ourselves better and reach a better understanding of our world, especially tragic events wherever they occur. Then perhaps we can try to search for solutions. If we make people afraid to speak, or prevent their offensive thoughts from appearing before our eyes, we will be the losers for not having that information to add to our knowledge to help us think and arrive at our own conclusions and perhaps prevent future such events. And this is what it means to live in a free and democratic society. By the way, I think it would be helpful to know not only a person's name when he/she enters his opinion, but also where he is a teacher / professor or what his background is, as far as academic or interest area he aligns himself with. We know who Chomsky is, but I do not know who John Fisk is, except a small mention that he is some kind of expert on Middle Eastern Affairs - where? and what is the Independent? a newspaper? However, if people wish to enter comments anonymously, that should be ok, too. And another thing, what is AATSEEL? One person said "Slavists," or maybe it was "Slavophiles" - Well, scholars of Russian language and culture are often interested in the other languages of the Balkans and Eastern Europe, and only recently finally some of the languages of the former Soviet Union. That, I think is one way Russian language departments might be saved and that is by studying different languages and culture of the entire area of the former Soviet Union, the Balkans, and Eastern Europe, such as at Arizona State University where Albanian, Macedonian, Serbo-Croatian, Tatar, and now recently Armenian are all offered in the summer as part of the Critical Languages Consorteum. Except for Armenian, the languages of the former S.U. for the most part are not offered. Why? One reason is because the government of the former S.U. wanted all the world to think of the S.U. as ONE nation with one voice. Here in the U.S., we should not feel we have to speak with one voice to be called loyal and patriotic Americans. We all are affected by the tragedy and feel terrible for the victims, and the victims are all of us, but that should not mean that we cannot ask ourselves WHY it happened and try to figure out some answers. That's all. I hope I got my points across. Kristina in Arizona, Russophile, Slavophile, and appreciator of all cultures graduate of Russian in 1972, one of several lucky students to study Russian in Salt Lake City onTV after Sputnik went up into space. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From LILAC1549 at AOL.COM Thu Sep 13 06:26:00 2001 From: LILAC1549 at AOL.COM (Kristina Efimenko) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 02:26:00 EDT Subject: Noam Chomsky: On the Bombings Message-ID: And are the people in the countries, formerly republics of the Soviet Union, all Slavs? No. Maybe that is why not many universities offer the study of the other languages of the former Soviet Union. Because too many teachers of Russian counsider themselves only teachers of Slavic languages. What about Georgian, Estonian, Latvian, Lithuanian, etc.? Kristina in AZ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gthomson at MAC.COM Thu Sep 13 11:02:30 2001 From: gthomson at MAC.COM (Greg Thomson) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:32:30 +0430 Subject: term "language attitudes" In-Reply-To: <01e201c13be9$b74bc720$ca1fbfa8@upenn.edu> Message-ID: Does anyone know how the sociolinguistic term "language attitudes" is best translated into Russian? Greg ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From kcf19 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Sep 13 11:39:12 2001 From: kcf19 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Robert Chandler) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:39:12 +0100 Subject: Noam Chomsky, Oushakine, etc Message-ID: Dear all, This is a copy of a message I have just sent to Oushakine: Dear Sergei, I am grateful to you for your original message: it is essential that we all do all we can to get people to think about WHY so many people in the Middle East have been reduced to such rage and despair. Please resubscribe. (By the way, I hope you realize how many messages there have been in support of you.) Best Wishes, Robert Chandler ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.jameson at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Sep 13 11:45:24 2001 From: a.jameson at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Andrew Jameson) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:45:24 +0100 Subject: Kristina's comments Message-ID: Dear Kristina, There is enough about the current tragedy elsewhere. Sergei, you will be missed. Please reconsider. Robert Fisk is a respected Foreign Correspondent of the serious British newspaper "The Independent". Andrew Jameson MA MIL Chair, Russian Committee, ALL Reviews Editor, Rusistika Listowner, allnet, cont-ed-lang, russian-teaching 1 Brook Street, Lancaster LA1 1SL, UK In UK: 01524 32371 Outside UK: (+44) 1524 32371 ----- Original Message ----- From: Kristina Efimenko To: Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 7:18 AM Subject: Re: Noam Chomsky: On the Bombings ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eb7 at NYU.EDU Thu Sep 13 11:54:03 2001 From: eb7 at NYU.EDU (Eliot Borenstein) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 07:54:03 -0400 Subject: Junking up the List (Chomsky, Etc.) Message-ID: Dear Serguei, Setting aside the question of the actual opinions expressed in the Chomsky and Fisk articles, your posting of them to SEELANGS really was an unfortunate breach of the accepted standards for posting to listservs. This is not to suggest that the day-to-day postings on a Slavic listserv are at all significant in comparison to what has just happened. Like most people I know, I have been virtually glued to the television since this all began, and even if I wanted to ignore it, given that I live in what Guiliani has dubbed the "frozen zone" south of 14th street, I have no such luxury. You can choose to stop looking at the disaster site, but you cannot opt not to smell it in the air. If you wanted to facilitate debate about the causes of yesterday's attacks, not only did you choose the wrong forum, but you also most likely have achieved something entirely different, and something entirely pointless: for the next several days, our inboxes will be filled with debates as to whether or not you were right to post these articles. And I apologize to everyone else on the list for contributing to the problem. So SEELANGS is going to become even more annoying and off-topic than ever. Why treat a listserve as though it were a chat room? If I had wanted to get an unending supply of spam, I would have signed up for an AOL account. With disappointment, Eliot Borenstein Asosciate Profesor & Chair Russian & Slavic Studies New York University ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From aisrael at AMERICAN.EDU Thu Sep 13 14:02:04 2001 From: aisrael at AMERICAN.EDU (Alina Israeli) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 07:02:04 -0700 Subject: languages Message-ID: Kristina Efimenko wrote: > Maybe that is why not many universities offer the study of the >other languages of the former Soviet Union. Because too many teachers of >Russian counsider themselves only teachers of Slavic languages. What about >Georgian, Estonian, Latvian, Lithuanian, etc.? It's pure economics: how many students would you get in such a class. BTW, Swedish, Danish, and Rumaniam are also not too popular. Now consider all the languages of India and Africa... ************************************************************** Alina Israeli LFS, American University phone: (202) 885-2387 4400 Mass. Ave., NW fax: (202) 885-1076 Washington, DC 20016 aisrael at american.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From acs2 at DUKE.EDU Thu Sep 13 13:54:55 2001 From: acs2 at DUKE.EDU (acs2) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:54:55 -0400 Subject: Junking up the List (Chomsky, Etc.) Message-ID: As a marginal graduate student of Russian Language and Literature, I just want to add that some scholars' worlds revolve around this listserv. As pathetic as it sounds, during a time of tragedy, perhaps people look for communion and community wherever they can. So please be a little more tolerant of what may be coming across this list for the next few days. Perhaps subscribers here are considered trusted friends and colleagues and this is a way to lend support. Thank you. Amy Spaulding Duke University Eliot Borenstein wrote: > Dear Serguei, > > Setting aside the question of the actual opinions expressed in the > Chomsky and Fisk articles, your posting of them to SEELANGS really > was an unfortunate breach of the accepted standards for posting to > listservs. This is not to suggest that the day-to-day postings on a > Slavic listserv are at all significant in comparison to what has just > happened. Like most people I know, I have been virtually glued to > the television since this all began, and even if I wanted to ignore > it, given that I live in what Guiliani has dubbed the "frozen zone" > south of 14th street, I have no such luxury. You can choose to stop > looking at the disaster site, but you cannot opt not to smell it in > the air. > > If you wanted to facilitate debate about the causes of yesterday's > attacks, not only did you choose the wrong forum, but you also most > likely have achieved something entirely different, and something > entirely pointless: for the next several days, our inboxes will be > filled with debates as to whether or not you were right to post these > articles. And I apologize to everyone else on the list for > contributing to the problem. > > So SEELANGS is going to become even more annoying and off-topic than > ever. Why treat a listserve as though it were a chat room? If I had > wanted to get an unending supply of spam, I would have signed up for > an AOL account. > > With disappointment, > > Eliot Borenstein > Asosciate Profesor & Chair > Russian & Slavic Studies > New York University > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription > options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: > http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From fjm6 at COLUMBIA.EDU Thu Sep 13 14:22:35 2001 From: fjm6 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Frank J. Miller) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:22:35 -0400 Subject: Job Announcement In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20010912200523.006cc3d0@pop.bol.ucla.edu> Message-ID: Slavic Languages: Lecturer in Russian for 2002-2003 [Full-time] Lecturer in Russian Language. Must have native/near native proficiency in both English and Russian and experience in teaching Russian to Americans at various levels. Candidates should also have the M.A. Degree or higher. Interviews at AATSEEL Convention in New Orleans. Send c.v. and three letters of recommendation to Professor Frank Miller, Columbia University, Department of Slavic Languages, 708 Hamilton Hall, 1130 Amsterdam Avenue, New York, NY 10027, MC 2839. Deadline: December 1, 2001. AA/EOE. Women and minorities are encouraged to reply. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From erikbrynolfson at YAHOO.COM Thu Sep 13 14:15:07 2001 From: erikbrynolfson at YAHOO.COM (Erik Brynolfson) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 07:15:07 -0700 Subject: East European accounts of US events Message-ID: Prof. Flier is no doubt right to say that this list is for "topics of interest to teachers of Slavic and East European languages and literatures." The awful series of events in the US is certainly one such topic. I can personally say that I am in the Slavic field partly because I want to be able to see the world from as many perspectives as possible simultaneously. I hope we will see more articles like the Chomsky and Fisk pieces posted by Mr. Oushakine. Even better, perhaps those SEELANGS contributors with access to the (non-internet) East European media could post summaries of articles and radio and tv accounts of Tuesday's events. I can't speak for the rest of the list, but I would be interested in this; only so much information is available on the Web. I hope this would fit with everyone's opinion of what this list is for; if not, I apologize. Erik Brynolfson grad student, UW-Madison __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From r.jiggins at BRADFORD.AC.UK Thu Sep 13 14:35:27 2001 From: r.jiggins at BRADFORD.AC.UK (Bob Jiggins) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:35:27 +0100 Subject: Noam Chomsky, Oushakine, etc In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thursday 13 September 2001 12:39, Robert Chandler wrote: > Dear all, > > This is a copy of a message I have just sent to Oushakine: > > Dear Sergei, > > I am grateful to you for your original message: it is essential that we > all do all we can to get people to think about WHY so many people in the > Middle East have been reduced to such rage and despair. > > Please resubscribe. (By the way, I hope you realize how many messages > there have been in support of you.) > > Best Wishes, Robert Chandler > I will echo that. I received these articles from several sources - but nevertheless they were welcome reading. At times like this such lists as these do carry such material (in defiance of the rules) and they help to drag academics out of their towers - whatever the perspective. The list will return to normal in time and no damage will have been done. -- Bob Jiggins Research Unit in South East European Studies University of Bradford UK ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.jameson at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Thu Sep 13 14:50:50 2001 From: a.jameson at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Andrew Jameson) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:50:50 +0100 Subject: East European accounts of US events Message-ID: The last two issues of Johnson's Russia List 5440 Crisis 13/09/01 02:19 and 5441 Crisis More 13/09/01 13:20 are full of reactions to the crisis from Russia and the FSU, including a message of condolence from Aslan Maskhadov (5441) and the story of a Muscovite who had just arrived at work when the first plane struck (5440). I could forward these or you could ask David for a copy. The list is supplied free but David asks for voluntary contributions from time to time. Here are the contents of 5441: --------------------------------------------------------- Johnson's Russia List #5441 13 September 2001 davidjohnson at erols.com [Note from David Johnson: 1. Reuters: NATO, Russia make joint call to fight terrorism. 2. Reuters: Russia keeps up talks with US, Europe after attack. 3. Komsomolskaya Pravda: JUST ABOUT ANYONE COULD DIVE-BOMB THE KREMLIN. 4. Washington Post letter: Sympathy From Russia. (Ambassador Ushakov) 5. BBC Monitoring: US bombings mean "end of liberal model of democracy" - Russian report. (Tretyakov) 6. strana.ru: Dmitry Gornostayev, Will Bush see that his myths are dispelled? Horrendous terrorist attacks in the U.S. prove that the new threat is international terrorism, not ballistic missiles. 7. Wall Street Journal: Alan Cullison and Guy Chazan, Russia Hopes WTC Attacks Force U.S. to Rethink Defense. 8. Moskovsky Komsomolets: Oleg Fochkin, WATER SUPPLIES COULD BE CONTAMINATED...according to the secret services. An interview with an FSB officer who insists on remaining anonymous. 9. BBC Monitoring: Rebel Chechen president offers condolences to US people, blames Russia's stance. 10. Nezavisimaya Gazeta: RUSSIA SHOULD LEARN FROM AMERICA'S MISTAKES. A political settlement in Chechnya is needed. Blitz interviews with Russian politicians and political scientists. 11. Washington Post: Susan Glasser and Peter Baker, Putin, Bush Weigh New Unity Against A 'Common Foe' 12. Moscow Tribune: Stanislav Menshikov, EXPECT DOLLAR TO KEEP FIRM. Despite Terrorist War on US. 13. Peter Lavelle: Untimely Thoughts - The glue that may fail to stick (re Russia, US and anti-terrorism). 14. The Guardian (UK): Ian Traynor, Whistleblowers challenge Kremlin secrets in court.] ******* Andrew Jameson MA MIL Chair, Russian Committee, ALL Reviews Editor, Rusistika Listowner, allnet, cont-ed-lang, russian-teaching 1 Brook Street, Lancaster LA1 1SL, UK In UK: 01524 32371 Outside UK: (+44) 1524 32371 ----- Original Message ----- From: Erik Brynolfson To: Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:15 PM Subject: East European accounts of US events ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Philippe.FRISON at COE.INT Thu Sep 13 16:00:04 2001 From: Philippe.FRISON at COE.INT (FRISON Philippe) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 18:00:04 +0200 Subject: News from the CIS countries about the NY Disaster Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:36:37 -0500 From: "Kevin \(Abdul Khadir\) Miller" Subject: Islam.ru: The Mufti of Povolzhye is speaking about the terrorist acts in the U.S.A.: " A religious person is not capable of doing this" The Mufti of Povolzhye is speaking about the terrorist acts in the U.S.A.: " A religious person is not capable of doing this" The Chairman of the Muslim Clerical Department of Povolzhye Mufti Mukhaddas Bibarsov has declared to the "Islam.Ru" in the interview, that a religious person - a Muslim, a Christian or a Jewish can not be involved in the terrorist acts, which took place in Washington and New-York on September, 11th, 2001". " The tragedy that took place in the U.S.A., was a keen sorrow for al the people of our planet. However, there are politicians ( the Minister of Israel Natan Sh'aranskiy is one of them) who are (on every Channel of Mass Media), using their political goals and the tragic situation, making conclusions that it were Muslims who provoked the terrorist acts. I have no doubts that Muslims don't have such an amount of money, which has been spent on the explosion organizing. Also I'd like to stress that terrorist acts are not beneficial first of all for Muslims"- Bibarsov said. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:36:16 -0500 From: "Kevin \(Abdul Khadir\) Miller" Subject: Islam.ru: The Russian Muftis Council's announcement about the terrorist acts in the U.S.A. The Russian Muftis Council's announcement about the terrorist acts in the U.S.A. In connection with the terrorist act that took place in the U.S.A. on September, 11th, 2001 resulting in the death of thousands of innocent people, the Russian Muftis Council is announcing: We are praying the Almighty Allah that he spread his mercy upon all the perished and support the spirit of the victims and their relatives. Islam teaches us that the human being is a supreme creature of Allah; that is why, a person who killed another one unjustfully, is considered to be the killer of all the humanity. On the 11th of September thousands and thousands of people, who didn't threaten anyone, who came to their working places or just happened to be there, were killed. Such terrorist acts are not justified neither by God nor by people. The Russian Muftis Council is censuring a new terrorist crime and a terrorism in general in all its forms. Political and economic issues must be solved peacefully, as Islam teaches us: founded on a "peaceful agreement". The victims were of different religions, Muslims were probably among them, Christians and Jewish as well. No monotheistic religion approves of killing an innocent person. We, Russians, know, not by hearsay, what terrorism is. The Muslims of Daghestan experienced that 2 years ago. We are worried that extremism and terrorism is covered with a religion and use Islamic symbolism in their antihuman and antireligious actions. We also think the position of some public figures and politicians, who look for benefit from the tragedy with the purpose of gaining political dividends and approve of terrorism in terms of a new policy of some governments inadmissible. Whatever a new policy is, peaceful innocent people are being killed; and this can not be justified by any ideological purposes. Political gloating regarding the peaceful people destruction is blasphemous. We support the stand of the Russian President V.V.Putin on this tragedy: "We need the consolidated efforts of the whole society, all the countries in the Terrorism Prevention Campaign. The Russian Mufti Council is ready to help our country and people to struggle against this "21st Century plague". Islam.ru [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ RFE/RL: PRESIDENTS EXPRESS SHOCK, OUTRAGE, SYMPATHY FOLLOWING U.S. TERRORIST ATTACKS. The presidents of Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Kyrgyzstan have sent telegrams of condolence to U.S. President George W. Bush following the 11 September terrorist attacks in New York and Washington. Uzbek President Islam Karimov has sent a note to the U.S. ambassador in Tashkent, and Kazakhstan's Foreign Ministry has issued a statement condemning the "acts of barbarism." As of 2 p.m. CEST, no information was available on official statements from Tajikistan or Turkmenistan. LF __________________________________________________________________________ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 08:21:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dünya" "Baþol" Subject: Russian Intelligence: IMU linked To USA Terror Russian Intelligence: IMU linked To USA Terror Posted 12.09.2001 22:21 UzReport.com According to News.ru, Russian intelligence agents know the organizers and executors of the terrorist attacks in the USA. They are Usamah Bin-Laden's organization, the Islamic movement of Uzbekistan and the Taleban [Afghan] government. According to the internet article, Russia's foreign intelligence special envoy told the CIA that there were at least two Uzbeks, former residents from Ferghana, among the suicide terrorists. "Our security services are warning the USA that what happened on Tuesday is just the beginning, and that the next target of the terrorists will be an American nuclear facility." said the report. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gust.olson at UALBERTA.CA Thu Sep 13 16:14:55 2001 From: gust.olson at UALBERTA.CA (Gust Olson) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:14:55 -0600 Subject: Books for review: Canadian Slavonic Papers Message-ID: This is to bring to your attention that there is new list posted of books that need review for *Canadian Slavonic Papers*, which can be found at our website: http://www.ualberta.ca/~csp Reviews are generally 500-800 words long and due from 6 to 8 weeks after receipt of the book. There are also links to previous lists, which may contain books that are still of interest to our readers. Please check them out as well. If your haven't reviewed for our journal previously, it would be helpful if you could send a brief description of your interests and qualifications along with your request. Sincerely, Gust Olson, PhD Assistant Editor Canadian Slavonic Papers/ Revue canadienne des slavistes 200 Arts Building University of Alberta Edmonton AB T6G 2E6 CANADA tel: 780-492-2566 fax: 780-492-9106 e-mail: gust.olson at ualberta.ca Canadian Slavonic Papers' URL: http://www.ualberta.ca/~csp ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jmdavis at FAS.HARVARD.EDU Thu Sep 13 17:44:47 2001 From: jmdavis at FAS.HARVARD.EDU (Jolanta M. Davis) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:44:47 -0400 Subject: AATSEEL and AAASS roommate In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Please note that the has created on its Web site a “bulletin board” for members who are looking for: - roommates for the convention, or - colleagues with similar research interests to put together panels for the convention. The Bulletin Board System is accessible through links from the AAASS Web site , and clicking on "Message Board" in the list of items in the index column on the left Members looking for roommates for this year’s convention (2001) should post contact and other relevant information (e.g. reservation dates, type of room—smoking or non-smoking, preferred gender, etc.). Members looking for participants in a panel or roundtable for the 2002 convention should post either their research interest or panel vacancies and their contact information. We hope you will find this service helpful. At 06:13 PM 9/9/01, you wrote: >I am looking for a roommate to share a room at AAASS and at AATSEEL >conferences. Please respond off list to nfriedbe at chass.utoronto.ca > >Thank you. >Nila Friedberg > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription > options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: > http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dumanis at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU Thu Sep 13 17:12:06 2001 From: dumanis at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU (Edward M Dumanis) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:12:06 -0400 Subject: Junking up the List (Chomsky, Etc.) In-Reply-To: <3BA0BAAE.3AC8CF9A@duke.edu> Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, acs2 wrote: > Perhaps subscribers here are considered trusted friends and colleagues and > this is a way to lend support. > > Amy Spaulding Duke University > Oh, Chomsky's and Fisk's letters were such a relief for those who suffered! Edward Dumanis ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. 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Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lgoering at CARLETON.EDU Thu Sep 13 18:35:04 2001 From: lgoering at CARLETON.EDU (Laura Goering) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:35:04 -0500 Subject: gender of professions Message-ID: A former student working as a translator asked me for a reference source to help her sort out usage of feminine forms of traditionally male professions. (Is there a feminine form? Is it derogatory? Does it mean the wife of a male professional?) Can anyone direct me to an appropriate reference? Reply off-list to lgoering at carleton.edu Thanks in advance. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Laura Goering Associate Professor of Russian Dept. of German and Russian Carleton College Northfield, MN 55057 Tel: 507-646-4125 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From russell-valentino at UIOWA.EDU Thu Sep 13 18:36:40 2001 From: russell-valentino at UIOWA.EDU (Russell Valentino) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:36:40 -0500 Subject: films on folklore Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, My department is hoping to purchase English-subtitled Russian-language films based on Russian folklore. Animation is also a possibility. Any leads on good sources for such materials would be appreciated. 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Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.jameson at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Fri Sep 14 11:07:30 2001 From: a.jameson at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Andrew Jameson) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:07:30 +0100 Subject: With apologies Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, Britain's experience of IRA terrorism (many horrific large-scale city bombings and 30 years of insurgency) leads me to the following conclusions: The American people has been misled about the extent to which America is hated in the Arab world, and, specifically, the American government has misled its people about the real casualties sustained in Iraq, Sudan and Afghanistan and elsewhere due to American (sometimes also British) bomb and rocket attacks . America believed it was invulnerable and could afford to continue such interventionist policies whenever it wished. The present dreadful, unbelievable attack is a desperate political symbolic act. It is not a military attack. If there were an Islamic military force waiting to attack, the West would have shouted to high heaven about it. The only possible solution is a political one. It involves re-orientating American foreign policy towards the Arab and Islamic nations. It will take a generation to succeed. If we reply with massive military force, we are reducing ourselves to the level of the present insane tit-for-tat Palestinian-Israeli conflict, where each act drives the conflict further into mutual degradation. If we believe that a massive retaliation will solve the problem, we are grievously wrong. There are many worse things that terrorists could do in America than crash planes into buildings. (You'll only hear from me once about this.) Andrew Jameson Member, Lancaster Monthly Meeting Society of Friends (Quakers) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jack.kollmann at STANFORD.EDU Fri Sep 14 17:06:19 2001 From: jack.kollmann at STANFORD.EDU (Jack Kollmann) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:06:19 -0700 Subject: With apologies In-Reply-To: <002c01c13d0d$93d89b40$d297bc3e@dial.pipex.com> Message-ID: Dear friends (small "f"), My two cents on behalf of keeping the SEELANGS list on topic: (1) It is bothersome to open SEELANGS mailings only to read material that is outside the subject area of our list -- time wasted reading through the item to see if it turns out, after all, to be on topic, frustration discovering that one's "SEELANGS" moment of concentration at the computer has been diverted to another subject, in this case a subject about which we already have access to a plethora of information and points of view (including views similar to Mr. Jameson's). (2) Beyond being bothered, such submissions can be painful to read. We are all in mourning in various ways, we are all attempting to translate (to use an appropriate SEELANGS term) the national tragedy into what it means in our own lives and to decide what we think national post-tragedy policy should be. While we are in mourning, I suggest that it is intrusive and cruel to present one's political views on this list that is intended for scholars of Slavic and East European Languages (SEELANGS). To take Mr. Jameson's submission as an example: while I sympathize with some of his points and can appreciate the sincerity of his convictions, some of what he says offends and pains me. I won't say what and how, because that would continue this unfortunate thematic deflection of (assault on?) our list. I feel as if Mr. Jameson (and some previous contributors) has grabbed my arm at a funeral of a loved one (I'm a captive audience at the funeral, just as I am on this distribution list) and whispered things in my ear about the deceased, about the meaning of the victim's death, and about what we should all do as a result -- some of which things I disagree with and which offend me, disturb me, and which I find inappropriate to the occasion (the funeral, the list). Please, please stop. Please choose another forum in which to vent your well-intended wisdom on how we should interpret our national tragedy. To those who respond to my plea, I thank you. Respectfully, Jack Kollmann Stanford University At 12:07 PM 9/14/01 +0100, you wrote: >Dear Colleagues, >Britain's experience of IRA terrorism (many horrific large-scale >city bombings and 30 years of insurgency) leads me to the >following conclusions: > >(You'll only hear from me once about this.) > >Andrew Jameson >Member, Lancaster Monthly Meeting >Society of Friends (Quakers) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From LILAC1549 at AOL.COM Fri Sep 14 17:29:09 2001 From: LILAC1549 at AOL.COM (Kristina Efimenko) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 13:29:09 EDT Subject: With apologies Message-ID: In response to Kollmann's plea, I say yes these are painful times and we all may say something which may offend, but this is not a time to feel offended but to try to understand other people's points of view. And while participating on SEELANGS listserv, I do not feel that I am at a funeral, but at a gathering of intelligent people, as I like to classify myself also, who are struggling to understand what has happened to us. That does not make me or anyone who shares their views on this subject - Tuesday's event - on SEELANGS listserv any less caring about the U.S. victims. In fact, it is because we care so much that it is hard to be quiet in fear of offending someone. We care not only about the victims, but about the affects this has on our whole nation. Kristina Efimenko in Arizona ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Bohdan at PANIX.COM Fri Sep 14 17:39:06 2001 From: Bohdan at PANIX.COM (Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 13:39:06 -0400 Subject: With apologies In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010914092622.033971e0@kolljack.pobox.stanford.edu> Message-ID: Remedy: hit delete and go on. Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj At 10:06 -0700 9/14/2001, Jack Kollmann wrote: >Dear friends (small "f"), > > My two cents on behalf of keeping the SEELANGS list on topic: > (1) It is bothersome to open SEELANGS mailings only to read >material that is outside the subject area of our list -- time wasted >reading through the item to see if it turns out, after all, to be on topic, >frustration discovering that one's "SEELANGS" moment of concentration at >the computer has been diverted to another subject, in this case a subject >about which we already have access to a plethora of information and points >of view (including views similar to Mr. Jameson's). > (2) Beyond being bothered, such submissions can be painful to >read. We are all in mourning in various ways, we are all attempting to >translate (to use an appropriate SEELANGS term) the national tragedy into >what it means in our own lives and to decide what we think national >post-tragedy policy should be. While we are in mourning, I suggest that it >is intrusive and cruel to present one's political views on this list that >is intended for scholars of Slavic and East European Languages >(SEELANGS). To take Mr. Jameson's submission as an example: while I >sympathize with some of his points and can appreciate the sincerity of his >convictions, some of what he says offends and pains me. I won't say what >and how, because that would continue this unfortunate thematic deflection >of (assault on?) our list. I feel as if Mr. Jameson (and some previous >contributors) has grabbed my arm at a funeral of a loved one (I'm a captive >audience at the funeral, just as I am on this distribution list) and >whispered things in my ear about the deceased, about the meaning of the >victim's death, and about what we should all do as a result -- some of >which things I disagree with and which offend me, disturb me, and which I >find inappropriate to the occasion (the funeral, the list). Please, please >stop. Please choose another forum in which to vent your well-intended >wisdom on how we should interpret our national tragedy. > > To those who respond to my plea, I thank you. > >Respectfully, > >Jack Kollmann >Stanford University > > > > >At 12:07 PM 9/14/01 +0100, you wrote: >>Dear Colleagues, >>Britain's experience of IRA terrorism (many horrific large-scale >>city bombings and 30 years of insurgency) leads me to the >>following conclusions: >> >>(You'll only hear from me once about this.) >> >>Andrew Jameson >>Member, Lancaster Monthly Meeting >>Society of Friends (Quakers) > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription > options, and more. 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Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From wm6 at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Fri Sep 14 19:57:36 2001 From: wm6 at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (wm6 at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:57:36 -0500 Subject: With apologies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: my contact with friends and family limited since tuesday to my intermittent access to the internet, i'm finding that the personal contributions, vitriolic or otherwise, to the two message boards i'm subscribed to has helped me to feel connected to what is going on in the u.s. in ways that the cbc and cnn could only obstruct. thanks. bill martin (waiting it out in toronto...) ps-- can anyone tell me the mordvinian word for "grief"? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From strakhov at GSD.HARVARD.EDU Fri Sep 14 21:06:37 2001 From: strakhov at GSD.HARVARD.EDU (Olga Strakhov) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:06:37 -0500 Subject: With apologies In-Reply-To: <120.4472e71.28d39865@aol.com> Message-ID: Dear Ms Efimenko and all others who want to share their views and feelings about Tuesday's tragedy! I think it is time to say it clearly even though it might sound very rude. I believe that we all have something to say about the attack, myself included. But I do not believe that my NON-professional opinion about the causes of this attack and subsequent measures the USA, UN or NATO should take is worthy to be discussed publicly. I take it for granted, however, that as a member of SEELANS Listserv you are a specialist in Slavic or East European languages. Trust me, your PROFESSIONAL opinion about any problem in the field of Slavic and East European linguistics is of a great interest to me. It is quite possible that you are not only a specialist in these languages but also a specialist in the filed of modern American or Middle East politics, economics or history. It is also possible that you are a very important source of information. I will be overwhelmed with joy to meet your familiar name on any web-site or Listserv that are devoted to these fields. These are those listservs or web-sites which, I believe, we all frantically browse right now in order to learn more about what caused this tragedy and who was behind it. I look forward to find your opinions there. SEELANGS listserv is a forum of specialists in a particular field--Slavic and East European Languages, their history, lexicology, morphology, syntax, etymology, etc. Let us use this listserv for this particular filed and let us do it professionally. Sincerely, Olga Strakhov Olga B. Strakhov Frances Loeb Library Graduate School of Design Gund Hall Harvard University Cambridge, MA 02138, USA tel.: + 617-496-9543 fax: + 617-496-5929 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eb7 at NYU.EDU Fri Sep 14 20:50:43 2001 From: eb7 at NYU.EDU (Eliot Borenstein) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 16:50:43 -0400 Subject: Lit. Job opening at New York University Message-ID: NEW YORK UNIVERSITY Russian & Slavic Studies Assistant Professor of 19th/20th century Russian The Department of Russian & Slavic Studies at New York University seeks to fill a tenure-track or tenured position in 19th and/or 20th century Russian literature at the Assistant or Associate Professor level. Applicants must have a Ph.D., native or near-native command of Russian and English, a demonstrable commitment to teaching and research, and competence in critical theory. Specialization is open, but preference will be given to candidates whose research is comparative or interdisciplinary, or who work on cultural studies. Interviews at the MLA. Application deadline is November 23, 2001, for appointment beginning September 1, 2002, pending final administrative and budgetary approval. Please send letter, CV, 3 recommendations, and a writing sample to Eliot Borenstein, Chair, Dept. of Russian & Slavic Studies, New York University, 19 University Place, Room 203, New York, NY 10003. NYU is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action Employer. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ad5537 at WAYNE.EDU Fri Sep 14 23:14:37 2001 From: ad5537 at WAYNE.EDU (Kenneth Brostrom) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 19:14:37 -0400 Subject: recent submissions Message-ID: Dear SEELANGERS, >The notes below encapsulate, roughly, the two poles of the debate >initiated by a few submissions that raised questions about the >historical background to the recent nightmare in our >lives--questions that are seemingly beyond the parameters >established for this list. > Dear Ms Efimenko and all others who want to share their views and >feelings about Tuesday's tragedy! > I think it is time to say it clearly even though it might sound >very rude. I believe that we all have something to say about the attack, >myself included. But I do not believe that my NON-professional opinion >about the causes of this attack and subsequent measures the USA, UN or NATO >should take is worthy to be discussed publicly. > I take it for granted, however, that as a member of SEELANS >Listserv you are a specialist in Slavic or East European languages. Trust >me, your PROFESSIONAL opinion about any problem in the field of Slavic and >East European linguistics is of a great interest to me. > It is quite possible that you are not only a specialist in these >languages but also a specialist in the filed of modern American or Middle >East politics, economics or history. It is also possible that you are a >very important source of information. I will be overwhelmed with joy to >meet your familiar name on any web-site or Listserv that are devoted to >these fields. These are those listservs or web-sites which, I believe, we >all frantically browse right now in order to learn more about what caused >this tragedy and who was behind it. I look forward to find your opinions >there. > SEELANGS listserv is a forum of specialists in a particular >field--Slavic and East European Languages, their history, lexicology, >morphology, syntax, etymology, etc. Let us use this listserv for this >particular filed and let us do it professionally. >Sincerely, Olga Strakhov > > > >My contact with friends and family limited since tuesday to my intermittent >access to the internet, i'm finding that the personal contributions, vitriolic >or otherwise, to the two message boards i'm subscribed to has helped >me to feel >connected to what is going on in the u.s. in ways that the cbc and cnn could >only obstruct. thanks. >bill martin (waiting it out in toronto...) The narrow construction imposed upon the SEELANGS parameters in the first note is more than a little disconcerting: Are we as academics really to leave these democratic, national, and moral questions up to specialists in other fields? {I hasten to add that Olga Strakhov affirms that she has opinions on these issues, but she does not believe that this list is the appropriate place to express them.) Bill Martin, on the other hand, welcomes all that he hears from the lists he is subscribed to, because it helps him to "feel connected to what is going on"--presumably, to the opinions of others who are struggling to absorb and come to terms with the unprecedented crimes in the U.S. that we witnessed last Tuesday. I felt considerable sympathy with a note submitted, I think, by a graduate student yesterday. She argued that there may be individuals who find this list an important link to a community of people who might listen sympathetically to the thoughts of other Slavic specialists on this topic--people who are professionally academics, but who are are not only academics. Should the rules governing this list be so inflexible that no one could express their ideas, and more likely, their pain, in the situation we now confront? If not in these circumstances, then when? (Thank you, Alex Rudd, for cutting us all this slack in recent days, despite your initial response, which was apparently the product of short-term pressures on you as the list owner.) But is this question entirely outside the parameters for this list? Olga Strakhov identifies the linguistic interests of this list ("SEELANGS listserv is a forum of specialists in a particular field--Slavic and East European Languages, their history, lexicology, morphology, syntax, etymology, etc."). But does that "etc." include all our potential contributions here? Cultural studies has become a significant dimension of Slavic studies in the past decade at least, and anyone with knowledge of this area understands the meaning of the term "the Other." It is not necessary to enumerate the studies by Slavists who have explored this idea in connection with the history of the former Soviet Union and Russia before the Revolution. Do we have nothing to add when our President says repeatedly during the last few days that "This is a struggle between Good and Evil"? We have heard these same words in the very recent past from Osama bin Laden. So--despite all the dissonance produced by our anguished reactions to the crimes of September 11: Are there no cultural issues here that we can discuss after the experience in the Soviet Union during the twentieth century? Do we, as Slavic specialists, have nothing to say? Ken Brostrom -- Kenneth Brostrom Assoc. Prof. of Russian Dept. of German and Slavic Studies 443 Manoogian Hall Wayne State University Detroit, MI 48202 Telephone: (313) 577-6238 FAX (313) 577-3266 E-mail: kenneth.brostrom at wayne.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eb7 at NYU.EDU Sat Sep 15 01:31:30 2001 From: eb7 at NYU.EDU (Eliot Borenstein) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:31:30 -0400 Subject: What we have to say as Slavists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I had promised myself that I would not write in on this topic again, especially since I now regret some of the harshness of the tone of my previous posting on the topic (for which I would like to take the opportunity to apologize). But after reading all of the previous postings (and yes, I suppose I could delete the messages without reading them, but I don't have that much self-control), I feel even more strongly that this is really not a job for SEELANGS. Kenneth Brostrom asks the question: "Do we, as Slavic specilaists, have nothing to say?" Well, maybe we do, but I can't help but feel that anything we can say specifically as *Slavic* specialists is, at least in the short term, largely irrelevant. The point is that we all have feelings about what happened, we all have opinions, but how much of our thoughts and feelings have anything to do with being Slavists? Slavists come in all shapes and sizes, and certainly run the gamut of contemporary politics: there are Leftist Slavists and neo-conservative Slavists, Zionist Slavists and Anti-Zionist Slavists, and so many different worldviews and ideologies that even naming any of them is a pointless exercise. I suspect that each of us understands the causes, significance, and repercussions of the events based far more on our political views and personal temperament than on the rather insignificant fact of our studying Slavic languages, literatures, history, and culture. I am approaching SEELANGS in a way that is obvious different from that of some of the other posters: I do not consider SEELANGS a community. I consider it a function. No matter how irrelevant it may seem to 99% of us, it is perfectly appropriate to ask the list how to say "manure" in Russian or Bulgarian, precisely because there is no other forum that comes to mind where one could expect an accurate answer. But when it comes to disasters that have probably led to thousands of deaths, and that have no apparent direct connection to things Slavic, there are so many other places to discuss it that SEELANGS just seems like an odd venue. There are Slavists whom I want to talk to about it, but that is because I know them, because they are my friends. Not because they are Slavists. But I admit that I have underestimated the apparent role of SEELANGS for other subscribers: it is one thing not to feel a sense of community or connection if you are fortunate enough to talk to people who share your interests on a daily basis, but if you are the lone, isolated Slavist in an area where no one understands why you devote your professional life to these topics, I can see how this listserv might become more important. My point of view is only my point of view, but to me, discussing these issues on SEELANGS, which I do see as a narrow, specialized function, threatens to trivialize what happens rather than to elevate SEELANGS to a new level of discourse. Perhaps I can't see this as a Slavic issue because I see this as ultimately a human issue. And also, though no one can "own" a tragedy like this, and nearly everyone across the country, if not the world, is upset, I experience it first and foremost as a local issue. I walk by the fire station down the block, and the firemen who usually wave at my son and practically stand on their heads to make him laugh are missing, probably dead. Yes, maybe we do have to think about the ways in which American policies may have contributed to the events that led to what happened, but right now, I'm simply not ready to hear it. Eliot Borenstein Associate Professor and Chair Russian & Slavic Studies New York Universitys ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From townsend at PRINCETON.EDU Sat Sep 15 03:02:20 2001 From: townsend at PRINCETON.EDU (Charles E. Townsend) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 23:02:20 -0400 Subject: Seelangs as venue for political opinions Message-ID: Dear Seelangers, I agree very much with Mike Flier (and others who sent similar messages) that SEELANGS is an inappropriate venue for opinions about the recent attack on the US or, really, about any other issues not directly related to our field. I'm getting kind of sick of these diatribes. Let's get back to Slavic stuff. Charles Townsend ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From achekhov at UNITY.NCSU.EDU Sat Sep 15 12:04:37 2001 From: achekhov at UNITY.NCSU.EDU (Vladimir Bilenkin) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 08:04:37 -0400 Subject: recent submissions Message-ID: Kenneth Brostrom wrote: > > Cultural studies has become a significant dimension of Slavic > studies in the past decade at least, and anyone with knowledge of > this area understands the meaning of the term "the Other." It is not > necessary to enumerate the studies by Slavists who have explored this > idea in connection with the history of the former Soviet Union and > Russia before the Revolution. Do we have nothing to add when our > President says repeatedly during the last few days that "This is a > struggle between Good and Evil"? We have heard these same words in > the very recent past from Osama bin Laden. So--despite all the > dissonance produced by our anguished reactions to the crimes of > September 11: Are there no cultural issues here that we can discuss > after the experience in the Soviet Union during the twentieth > century? Do we, as Slavic specialists, have nothing to say? I guess I side here with Eliot Borenstein. Whatever I can and will say (in a different place) about the Washington war-mongerers and the chauvinistic mobs around this country cheering them I will say as a political activist, not as a historian of Russian literature, and most certainly, not as a "specialist" or "professional", the salaried "other" of my human self. Having said that, I would like to benefit from other salaried "others" on this list. Next spring I will have to teach a new course on cross-national representations "Russia and the West: Under each other's eyes". (To make it even worse, this is an undergraduate course). I have enough materials on Western "constructs" of Russia/SU, including Malia's _Under the Western Eyes_, which can be utilized as a quasi textbook, not to mention profitably exploited as such a "construct" in its own right. But the Russian side of this course is much weaker in interpretative literature. I was able to find only several topical articles (like Riasanovsky's "Russia and the West in the Teaching of Slavophiles"), but nothing like Malia's book, or even a survey type of an article on the history Russian perceptions of Europe/the West. I suspect that generally this poverty of my bibliography reflects the real situation in the field of Russian cultural history. We do not have anything even approaching Said's type and scope of theorizing in regard to Russia-the West relations. But I may be wrong and will be happy to learn I am. Thanks for any suggestions. Vladimir Bilenkin, FLL, NCSU ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From merlin at H2.HUM.HUJI.AC.IL Sat Sep 15 07:42:59 2001 From: merlin at H2.HUM.HUJI.AC.IL (merlin) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 09:42:59 +0200 Subject: recent submissions Message-ID: Regarding Kenneth Brostrom's suggestion to involve cultural studies in current discussion, it is already involved, since the attack was designed as the American disaster: one American symbol crashed another, just as sinking of Kursk was the image of Russian Katastrofa (Russia as "leaking vessel","keeping sinking economics afloat" and like metaphors). Valerie Merlin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From billings at PU.EDU.TW Sat Sep 15 07:03:17 2001 From: billings at PU.EDU.TW (Loren A. Billings) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 15:03:17 +0800 Subject: Books on Russians' views of the West (was: recent submissions) Message-ID: This is in response to the scholarly part (repeated below at the very end of this message) of Vladimir Bilenkin's recent post to this list. If I haven't misunderstood his query, then what he needs is a book that lists views of the United States and the West in general from the Russian perspective (to mirror Malia's work). In the late 1980s at the very beginning of my M.A. studies I took a course at Georgetown University called "Soviet images of America," taught by John Dick. Here are some ideas based almost entirely on my experience in his course. We used a book with several first-hand accounts, translated into English, by Russian/Soviet citizens who (had) actually traveled to the United States. I believe there were pieces by Esenin and Majakovskij, perhaps even by Gor'kij. The first account was of a visit to a utopian community in Kansas in even the pre-Soviet era. Because it has been over a decade, and my specialty is far from this area, I can't describe the book in any closer detail. It appeared to be published in the mid to late 1980s and may still be in print. I'd love to have someone set the record straight with the correct bibliographic details. If you want a serious analysis of "constructs" (as I understand the term), then consider some of these, especially Gor'kij and his ball of golden string (although again, I'm not sure whether that particular reading is in this volume). We also read Il'f & Petrov's book, based on a trip by car around the States in the 1930s, called _Little golden America_; I had read portions of the book (in the original: _Odno`eta^znaja Amerika_), for an undergraduate course a couple years beforehand. This book, while often lighthearted and even satirical, really left an impression on me. (Hence, I remember the titles!) If your aim is to leave an impression on students, then consider this one. I'm not sure, however, whether Il'f & Petrov contribute any serious constructs as such. We also read some experiences of emigre/exile writers (Aksenov and Sol^zenicyn). In my view, these are not of a piece with the other accounts. Best, --Loren Billings ----------------------------------------------------- Loren A. Billings, Ph.D.; e-mail Dept. of English Language, Literature and Linguistics Providence University, 200 Chung Chi Road, Shalu Town Taichung Hsien/County, Taiwan 43301 Republic of China Telephone: +886-4-2632-8001 ext. 2221 or (dept.) 2021 ----------------------------------------------------- > Sender: > Poster: Vladimir Bilenkin > Subject: Re: recent submissions [SNIP] > Next spring I will have to teach a new course on > cross-national representations "Russia and the West: > Under each other's eyes". (To make it even worse, this > is an undergraduate course). I have enough materials on > Western "constructs" of Russia/SU, including Malia's > _Under the Western Eyes_, which can be utilized as a > quasi textbook, not to mention profitably exploited as > such a "construct" in its own right. But the Russian > side of this course is much weaker in interpretative > literature. I was able to find only several topical > articles (like Riasanovsky's "Russia and the West in the > Teaching of Slavophiles"), but nothing like Malia's book, > or even a survey type of an article on the history > Russian perceptions of Europe/the West. I suspect that > generally this poverty of my bibliography reflects the > real situation in the field of Russian cultural history. > We do not have anything even approaching Said's type and > scope of theorizing in regard to Russia-the West > relations. But I may be wrong and will be happy to learn > I am. Thanks for any suggestions. > > Vladimir Bilenkin, > FLL, NCSU ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From bpost at FFLAX.NET Sat Sep 15 12:24:34 2001 From: bpost at FFLAX.NET (Becky Post) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 07:24:34 -0500 Subject: Bulgarian/Russian Message-ID: Dear SEELANGERS, I teach high school Russian and this year a girl from Bulgaria is in my class. She doesn't know Russian, but of course knows Cyrillic and there is a lot of similarity between Bulgarian and Russian. I don't know Bulgarian, but would like the advice of someone who does. Would it be more appropriate to move this girl from Russian I to Russian II right away? The Russian II class is reviewing now, but they of course already know quite a bit of vocabulary and grammar. I'd appreciate the opinion of someone who knows both languages. It happens that my Russian I and Russian II students meet together, the same hour, same classroom (not an ideal situation, of course). Therefore, it would not cause a schedule change to move her. It also means she could transition from one level to the other more easily. Thanks. Becky Post ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tanja_ivanova at HOTMAIL.COM Sat Sep 15 14:26:52 2001 From: tanja_ivanova at HOTMAIL.COM (Tanja Ivanova) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 10:26:52 -0400 Subject: Bulgarian/Russian Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glebov at RCI.RUTGERS.EDU Sat Sep 15 16:14:46 2001 From: glebov at RCI.RUTGERS.EDU (Serguei Glebov) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 12:14:46 -0400 Subject: Bolgarskaia Rusistika Message-ID: Dear friends, our library at Rutgers does not have the journal Bolgarskaia Rusistika and my attempts to acquire a copy of the article by Boris Simeonov published in BR in 1976 through interlibrary loan failed. If anyone has access to the journal, could you be as kind as to notify me of the location of the library where it is available? I would also appreciate an opportunity to copy the article from a private exe of the journal. Thank you very much in advance, Serguei Glebov ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From hokanson at OREGON.UOREGON.EDU Sat Sep 15 17:57:54 2001 From: hokanson at OREGON.UOREGON.EDU (Katya Hokanson) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 10:57:54 -0700 Subject: The world has changed In-Reply-To: <01K8C9Y72KV48ZEJUY@OREGON.UOREGON.EDU> Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, I have been reading messages from both sides of the debate and while I understand the point of view of those who think we should stay "on-topic," the world has now changed in every way. My own feeling is that we need every possible forum, especially those populated by intelligent and thoughtful people, people who know multiple languages and are well-traveled, to make connections with each other and think about the issues at hand. In my own work I have been very interested in the literature written during the Russian conquest of the Caucasus in the nineteenth century, and the issues which I have encountered now take on a new dimension after Tuesday's events. No doubt as things return to "normal," we will get back "on-topic" again. I belong to several listservs/bulletin boards that pertain to topics as diverse as breast cancer and the parents of four-year olds, and no one is chastising anyone for being "off-topic" because these events are on everyone's mind, and indeed in many cases affect us directly (the groups are normally fairly strict). My own brother is providing lighting at night for the recovery workers (he's a film gaffer) and I'm a bit worried he might get injured, although am glad he is able to help. I for one would like to better understand the way in which the U.S. is perceived elsewhere in the world and how its actions are perceived. I know that for those many of us who teach, the issues and aftermath of what has occurred is going to be a major topic of discussion among students this year, and we need to help steer our students in the right direction. I want to know, for example, how will some of you handle discussing such matters in class? To those who are already teaching (my university is on the quarter system and hasn't begun yet), are you discussing the events of the week? Sincerely, Katya Hokanson University of Oregon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gadassov at IFRANCE.COM Sun Sep 16 01:00:03 2001 From: gadassov at IFRANCE.COM (Adassovsky Georges) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 03:00:03 +0200 Subject: What we have to say as Slavists In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Eliot Borenstein wrote: > >Kenneth Brostrom asks the question: "Do we, as Slavic specilaists, >have nothing to say?" Well, maybe we do, but I can't help but feel >that anything we can say specifically as *Slavic* specialists is, at >least in the short term, largely irrelevant. Slavic specialists deal with Languages, Litterature, but also with Civilization and History. They can't ignore that Slavs, as well in Balkans as in Rus', have been, since middle ages, on the front line in the "civilization choc" described by professor Huntington. They can't ignore that up to now, American foreign policy supported muslims, as well in Afghanistan as in Balkans and Tchetchnia, in order to thwart communists or post-communist dictators. Anyone may have his own political opinion, and I don't feel these opinions are to be expressed on this list, as that could lead to quarrels. For these reasons, I don't appreciate the Chomsky contribution (personnal opinion), but appreciate the Philippe Frison contribution (information about Slavic States positions). Slavs are concerned with this tragedy, because its may trigger a (welcommed for them) change in American foreign policy. And Slavists ARE concerned with the observation of the new world political situation, as Slavic States may be largely involved. Georges, Civilizationist. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From CSperrle at CS.COM Sun Sep 16 01:14:32 2001 From: CSperrle at CS.COM (CSperrle at CS.COM) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 21:14:32 EDT Subject: The world has changed Message-ID: The university where I teach Russian is two-three blocks away from what used to be the World Trade Towers. Of course, the university is closed until further notice. We have been shut off from the administration, colleagues, and students, since our main communication line used to run under Tower 7 which collapsed shortly after. I don't know what I will tell my students when classes resume maybe next week, maybe later. I have not been able to track down all of my students and I don't know if all of them will return. I certainly hope so. I know that some of my students fell and were trampled on in the stampede towards Brooklyn Bridge that passed right in front of our main entrance; I know that students were close by when the towers fell and witnessed people jumping out the windows. Now I am only certain of one thing: once classes resume I will not just be able to return "to some of that Slavic stuff," and I will not be able to use the material I had prepared for my 12 o'clock class on Tues Sept 11: the endings of the prepositional case. I do understand that people are exasperated at the "off-topic" nature of this discussion. But I must say that in the many years that I have been a member of SEELANGS there have been much more severe digressions "off the topic"--even in cases when they seemed to be on the topic, not to speak of personal wrangles and the too numerous evidences of people's unability to master the workings of the reply button. Speaking of myself, I have welcomed the views expressed on this topic and they have helped me prepare my next Russian 281 class. Christina Sperrle. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Katkovski at OSI.HU Sun Sep 16 16:55:19 2001 From: Katkovski at OSI.HU (Vladimir Katkovski) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 18:55:19 +0200 Subject: Bulgarian/Russian Message-ID: As a person who 1) lived for four years in Bulgaria and 2) has nearly native knowledge of Russian (I come from Belarus) I can testify that most Bulgarians have very little problems with vocabulary (Bulgarian and Russian has probably much more common words than, let's say, Belarusan and Russian) and no problems with reading (they use cyrillics), but they have AWFUL A LOT of problems with grammar. In fact, Bulgarian grammar is very different from other Slavic languages and in some ways it is more similar to English grammar than Russian. So, on average, Bulgarians need to concentrate on grammar a lot. I don't know how it helps you in your situation. Maybe, she is taking your course for an easy A :-). -----Original Message----- From: Becky Post To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU Sent: 15.09.01 14:24 Subject: Bulgarian/Russian Dear SEELANGERS, I teach high school Russian and this year a girl from Bulgaria is in my class. She doesn't know Russian, but of course knows Cyrillic and there is a lot of similarity between Bulgarian and Russian. I don't know Bulgarian, but would like the advice of someone who does. Would it be more appropriate to move this girl from Russian I to Russian II right away? The Russian II class is reviewing now, but they of course already know quite a bit of vocabulary and grammar. I'd appreciate the opinion of someone who knows both languages. It happens that my Russian I and Russian II students meet together, the same hour, same classroom (not an ideal situation, of course). Therefore, it would not cause a schedule change to move her. It also means she could transition from one level to the other more easily. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From kcf19 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM Sun Sep 16 17:02:41 2001 From: kcf19 at DIAL.PIPEX.COM (Robert Chandler) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 18:02:41 +0100 Subject: What we have to say as Slavists Message-ID: Dear all, I am forwarding an article I found on Johnson's Russia List. Discussing the Russian perspective on possible US retaliation is surely a way in which we, as Slavists, can potentially make a worthwhile contribution to the general debate. Best Wishes, Robert Chandler #8 strana.ru September 14, 2001 Retaliation blows at Afghanistan may destabilize situation at Russia's southern frontiers, Kovalyov says Ex-FSB chief warns U.S. against repeating Soviet mistake in Afghanistan Nikolai Kovalyov, former chief of Russia's Federal Security Service (FSB) and now deputy chairman of the parliamentary State Security Committee, believes that retaliation blows at Afghanistan will have serious negative consequences for Russia. A military operation in Afghanistan, in his view, will doubtlessly worsen the situation in the Central Asian region - "a mass of refugees will pour into that region and the flow of arms will also increase." "When those who planned and executed the terrorist acts in the U.S. are exposed, America should not take a unilateral decision to neutralize the terrorists," Kovalyov said on Friday at a press conference in Moscow. In his view, "a collective decision should be taken by all countries together with the UN Security Council." Nonetheless, the former FSB chief did not rule out that the Americans would ignore the opinion of the world community, when they take a decision on this matter. "Considering that President George Bush experiences pressure on the part of the population, retaliation actions may not be adequate," Kovalyov said. Ex-FSB director stressed that damage caused by bombing will be minimal because of Afghanistan's geographic position, as there is a possibility to hide in the mountains and terrorists may be destroyed only if hit directly. The consequences of such strikes would be catastrophic with no desired effect, he observed. Kovalyov pointed out further that bombing would make no sense, as "by all indications Taliban members, who have already expressed readiness to hand bin Laden over, will do this." Speaking about a possibility of launching a ground operation in Afghanistan, Kovalyov said it would be "a grave mistake." The U.S. would thus repeat the bitter experience of sending troops there by Britain and the Soviet Union, he emphasized. He said Russia's security and intelligence services are prepared to provide the data bases on international terrorists to their American colleagues and stressed that the FSB is hundred percent ready to help the Americans by providing necessary information. Kovalyov believes that time has come for all security and intelligence services to put together their data bases on the terrorist organizations operating in the world. "We have a common enemy, and all special services should help each other to bring abut the earliest disclosure of the terrorist acts in the U.S., Kovalyov said. He stressed also that a meeting of the G-8 presidents is necessary for taking decisions on joint actions in the struggle against world terrorism. ****** ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From natalia.pylypiuk at UALBERTA.CA Sun Sep 16 18:30:16 2001 From: natalia.pylypiuk at UALBERTA.CA (Natalia Pylypiuk) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:30:16 -0600 Subject: special diacritics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, Would someone kindly direct me to a Latin font that is endowed with the grapheme U / u with a short horizontal dash above it? DC Times has O / o with with a short horizontal dash, but I also need an U / u. Times New Roman has the diacritic alone, but I have not figured out how to combine it with the necessary vowels. I work in Word on the McIntosh. Many thanks, N. Pylypiuk ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From K.R.Hauge at EAST.UIO.NO Sun Sep 16 19:53:54 2001 From: K.R.Hauge at EAST.UIO.NO (Kjetil =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E5?= Hauge) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 21:53:54 +0200 Subject: special diacritics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Dear Colleagues, > >Would someone kindly direct me to a Latin font that >is endowed with the grapheme U / u with a short horizontal dash >above it? > >DC Times has O / o with with a short horizontal dash, but I also need >an U / u. Times New Roman has the diacritic alone, but I have not figured >out how to combine it with the necessary vowels. > >I work in Word on the McIntosh. > Install the Central European support that comes with System 9.1. All CE fonts have this glyph. It is at Option-Shift-K if you use the US keyboard layout. -- -- Kjetil Rå Hauge, U. of Oslo. Phone +47/22856710, fax +47/22854140 -- (this msg sent from home, +47/67148424, fax +1/5084372444) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Judywermuth at CS.COM Sun Sep 16 19:12:09 2001 From: Judywermuth at CS.COM (Judith Wermuth-Atkinson) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 15:12:09 EDT Subject: Bulgarian/Russian Message-ID: Dear Becky, I have been teaching Bulgarian and Russian for about 17 years at all possible levels, but mainly at universities (Germany and the US). Right now I am teaching Russian at Columbia. In my opinion you should not move the girl to a more advanced level. Russian and Bulgarian have many common elements. However, Bulgarian belongs to the South Slavic group. It does not share the case system with Russian, which makes it more difficult for Bulgarian students. There is a very big issue with Bulgarian speaking students who do understand Russian, but never start to really speak the language. If the girl has not had any Russian before, it is much better to have her go through the basic course as well. The idea that Bulgarian is close enough to Russian is actually quite wrong. I myself am a native Bulgarian and it still took me many years to learn Serbian/Croatian, which is much closer to Bulgarian than Russian, on a professional level. Good luck with your student! Judith Wermuth ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From wm6 at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU Sun Sep 16 23:05:25 2001 From: wm6 at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (w martin) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 18:05:25 -0500 Subject: the mystery of the missing mordvans Message-ID: dear richard, well, my knowledge about mordva is extremely limited. but i have found a couple of interesting websites on mordvinian stuff, and i think i may have, if not an answer to your query, at least a direction of inquiry. the problem seems to be one of designation and recognition. "mordovian" refers to an administrative region, but because it effaces any distinction between that region's two populaces, the erzya and the moksha, it, along with the existence of any common "mordvinian language," is rejected by those who identify themselves principally as one or the other (at least according to mariz kemal, an erzyan poet, at http://www.suri.ee/inf/erzaen.html, who claims that young erzyans would rather be registered "under virtually any nationality -- most often russian" than under a "nickname"). granted, this perspective may not be shared by all, but it may give a clue as to why i can't go out now and pick up a loaf of bread from the mordovian bakery on the corner or drink kvass with those guys at the mordovian national home on friday nights. actually, the fact that there is no "little mordovia" in chicago probably is due as much to numbers as anything. i suspect that there simply isn't a critical mass of any one russian-federated finno-ugric people in north america (and given the divide-and-conquer protocoll of the ussr, there probably isn't in russia either). if i were a north american erzya or moksha and also knew that i was, i'd probably tell people i was russian, or maybe even finnish, to make things easier on them; and maybe i'd also choose to live in a russian, or even a finnish, neighborhood; and my children would probably grow up thinking they were russian, or perhaps finnish. i wonder if there are any sociological studies out there of this kind of default or double assimilation particular to small nationalities; clearly their circumstances would be different than those of the poles or hungarians, etc. and something like that might provide the basis for a methodology. at any rate, i suspect you'd have to go to some other community first to find them; and maybe you'd even have to start in russia and track the peregrinations of a few erzya/moksha/mordvan families to see where they ended up in north america. it reminds me of a new york times article recently on the apparent drastic decrease in the francophone population of louisiana. the 2000 census had a box to be checked off for "french-canadian," but nothing for "french," "francophone," "cajun," or "acadian" (or whatever had been used in previous censuses). the cajuns/acadians there didn't recognize themselves as "french-canadians" (having never been french-canadian, after all), so they identified themselves as something else. incidentally, acadians of nova scotia don't recognize themselves as french-canadians either, since to do so would efface any difference between them and the quebecois as well as the particularities of their own history. but i guess i'm getting off-topic now.... here are a few websites i found that might be of interest. finno-ugric stuff http://www.suri.ee http://www.helsinki.fi/~jolaakso/fgrlinks.html http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/3818/finnugr.html mordva/mordovia/mordvinia... http://www.torama.ru/eng/links.php3?type=1 http://www.nns.ru/regiony/mordov.html http://www.geocities.com/Athens/9479/mordo.html next: tuvans! bill martin At 4:49 PM -0400 9/14/01, Richard Sylvester wrote: >I wonder if you know of any Mordvinian communities over here, >or have any information about their presence in North America. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From natalia.pylypiuk at UALBERTA.CA Mon Sep 17 00:11:22 2001 From: natalia.pylypiuk at UALBERTA.CA (Natalia Pylypiuk) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 18:11:22 -0600 Subject: the Caucasus In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Professor Hokanson, If you read Ukrainian, I suggest including among this literature the poem "Kavkaz" (18 November 1845), which Taras Shevchenko (1814-61) dedicated to his friend and fellow artist, Jakiv de Bal'men, who died in the Caucasus on 26 July 1845. The poem, a powerful invective and meditation on a political theme, is a good example of anti-colonial literature. It was published for the first time in Leipzig, in 1859, in a volume entitled *Novye stixotvorenija Pushkina i Shevchenki.* Best wishes, Natalia Pylypiuk [...] >In my own work I have been very interested >in the literature written during the Russian conquest of the Caucasus >in the nineteenth century, and the issues which I have encountered >now take on a new dimension after Tuesday's events. [...] >Katya Hokanson >University of Oregon ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From vac10 at COLUMBIA.EDU Mon Sep 17 00:19:29 2001 From: vac10 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Vitaly A. Chernetsky) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 20:19:29 -0400 Subject: P.S. Re: the Caucasus In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear SEELANGers, I fully concur with Natalia Pylypiuk's drawing attention to Shevchenko's "Kavkaz" as a key anti-colonial text written at the time of Russia's colonization of the Caucasus. You don't have to be fluent in Ukrainian to read it, BTW, as Shevchenko's poetry has been widely translated, including into English (although all poetry, of course, "works" better in the original). Best wishes, Vitaly Chernetsky On Sun, 16 Sep 2001, Natalia Pylypiuk wrote: > If you read Ukrainian, I suggest including among this literature > the poem "Kavkaz" (18 November 1845), which Taras Shevchenko > (1814-61) dedicated to his friend and fellow artist, > Jakiv de Bal'men, who died in the Caucasus on 26 July 1845. > > The poem, a powerful invective and meditation on a political theme, is > a good example of anti-colonial literature. It was published for the > first time in Leipzig, in 1859, in a volume entitled > *Novye stixotvorenija Pushkina i Shevchenki.* ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From natalia.pylypiuk at UALBERTA.CA Mon Sep 17 01:15:19 2001 From: natalia.pylypiuk at UALBERTA.CA (Natalia Pylypiuk) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 19:15:19 -0600 Subject: grief in Erzya and Moksha In-Reply-To: <1000497456.3ba26130ed5b4@webmail.uchicago.edu> Message-ID: In the seventies and early eighties there were many political prisoners (of various nationalities, especially Ukrainians) in the following Mordovian labor camps: Barashevo, Pot'ma, and Javas. Among those who did survive, some have emigrated to the USA. I do not know whether they had opportunities to interact with the indigenous populations, but it might be worthwhile to ask them. I also suggest turning to cultural anthropologists. I am not acquainted with anyone working in that part of the world, but you might wish to look up Professor David Andersen (at Aberdeen) who has contacts with scholars in this discipline. N. Pylypiuk >wm6 at midway.uchicago.edu >ps-- can anyone tell me the mordvinian word for "grief"? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rbogert at CHASS.UTORONTO.CA Sun Sep 16 21:26:43 2001 From: rbogert at CHASS.UTORONTO.CA (Ralph Bogert) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 21:26:43 CANADA/EASTERN Subject: Noam Chomsky: On the Bombings Message-ID: > In the wake of absolute calamity, Mr Oukashine did the subscribers of this Languages and Literatures List a disservice by propagating the political opinions of third parties. The vacuity and faineancy of the frequent sophomoric submissions and inquiries posted here, noted by colleagues Goscilo and Flier, pale in comparison to Mr. Oukashine's benighted instigation. Helena, > > There is no confusion or conflation whatsoever. I have no trouble > distinguishing a simple posting of information useful to a Slavist from > the republication of all or most of two personal accounts of American > foreign policy and the Middle East. Given the apparent stance of the > publications cited (and, by the way, it is against SEELANGS guidelines to > publish whole texts or huge chunks thereof), it strains credulity to think > that Mr. Oushakine is not endorsing the political views stated, but simply > "posting" them in the spirit of nonpartisanship. > > As Dean Worth correctly concludes, "I think it essential that we > concentrate on what unites us," roughly, our interest and devotion to the > languages, literatures, and cultures of the Slavs. > > Sincerely, > > Michael > > > > > P.S. I agree completely with your assessment of some of the requests made > on SEELANGS > > > > > At 10:39 PM 9/12/01 -0400, you wrote: > > >Dear Michael and Colleagues, > > > >I sense a confusion or a conflation here between a posting and an > >endorsement. For at least the last two years Sergei Ushakin (in his exotic > >transliteration as S. Oushakine--fate in the form of international > >politics/bureaucracy, not choice) has posted at least two hundred messages > >that have not been misapprehended as items symptomatizing his personal or > >professional passions. No one has objected, for his unpaid service has > >provided invaluable information for countless colleagues, while those not > >interested could always press the button we all wish could be connected to > >tenured deadwood colleagues--"Delete." In his latest message, as in all > >others, he simply passed on information that I found of more interest than > >requests from colleagues incapable of consulting their libraries or > >dictionaries regarding basic information about literary and historical > >personae or about the Russian equivalent of manure or the English > >translation of "new" Russian words that have been around for the last > >quarter-century. > >Doesn't it make sense to express outrage when something genuinely > >outrageous occurs (yesterday's nightmare, for instance) rather than in > >response to one of Sergei's non-partisan postings, the intent of which, I > >surmise, is to generate discussion? If I misread you, Michael, I apologize > >in advance, but my sense is that you are reading Sergei > >Ushakin in terms not relevant to his posting. > > > >Helena Goscilo > > > >--On Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:10 PM -0400 "Michael S. Flier" > > wrote:r > > > >>Mr. Oushakine: > >> > >>I am appalled by your abuse of a scholarly bulletin board devoted to > >>Slavic languages and literatures to air your personal views concerning the > >>terrorist attack on the United States and the conflict in the Middle East > >>by disseminating recent articles by Chomsky and Fisk through SEELANGS. If > >>you wish to argue about American and Middle Eastern politics publicly, > >>then do so in an appropriate forum, but not on a Slavic bulletin board. > >>This is a gross violation of our common trust. > >> > >>Michael Flier > >> > >> > >> > >>At 07:04 PM 9/12/01 -0400, Serguei Alex. Oushakine wrote: > >>>On the Bombings > >>>Noam Chomsky > >>> > >>> > >>>The terrorist attacks were major atrocities. In scale they may not reach > >>>the level of many others, for example, Clinton's bombing of the Sudan > >>>with no credible pretext, destroying half its pharmaceutical supplies > >>>and killing unknown numbers of people (no one knows, because the US > >>>blocked an inquiry at the UN and no one cares to pursue it). Not to > >>>speak of much worse cases, which easily come to mind. But that this was > >>>a horrendous crime is not in doubt. The primary victims, as usual, were > >>>working people: janitors, secretaries, firemen, etc. It is likely to > >>>prove to be a crushing blow to Palestinians and other poor and oppressed > >>>people. It is also likely to lead to harsh security controls, with many > >>>possible ramifications for undermining civil liberties and internal > >>>freedom. > >>> > >>>The events reveal, dramatically, the foolishness of the project of > >>>"missile defense." As has been obvious all along, and pointed out > >>>repeatedly by strategic analysts, if anyone wants to cause immense > >>>damage in the US, including weapons of mass destruction, they are highly > >>>unlikely to launch a missile attack, thus guaranteeing their immediate > >>>destruction. There are innumerable easier ways that are basically > >>>unstoppable. But today's events will, very likely, be exploited to > >>>increase the pressure to develop these systems and put them into place. > >>>"Defense" is a thin cover for plans for militarization of space, and > >>>with good PR, even the flimsiest arguments will carry some weight among > >>>a frightened public. > >>> > >>>In short, the crime is a gift to the hard jingoist right, those who hope > >>>to use force to control their domains. That is even putting aside the > >>>likely US actions, and what they will trigger -- possibly more attacks > >>>like this one, or worse. The prospects ahead are even more ominous than > >>>they appeared to be before the latest atrocities. > >>> > >>>As to how to react, we have a choice. We can express justified horror; we > >>>can seek to understand what may have led to the crimes, which means > >>>making an effort to enter the minds of the likely perpetrators. If we > >>>choose the latter course, we can do no better, I think, than to listen > >>>to the words of Robert Fisk, whose direct knowledge and insight into > >>>affairs of the region is unmatched after many years of distinguished > >>>reporting. Describing "The wickedness and awesome cruelty of a crushed > >>>and humiliated people," he writes that "this is not the war of democracy > >>>versus terror that the world will be asked to believe in the coming > >>>days. It is also about American missiles smashing into Palestinian homes > >>>and US helicopters firing missiles into a Lebanese ambulance in 1996 and > >>>American shells crashing into a village called Qana and about a Lebanese > >>>militia - paid and uniformed by America's Israeli ally - hacking and > >>>raping and murdering their way through refugee camps." And much more. > >>>Again, we have a choice: we may try to understand, or refuse to do so, > >>>contributing to the likelihood that much worse lies ahead. > >>> > >>>Noam Chomsky > >>> > >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription > >>> options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: > >>> http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ > >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >>************************************************************************* > >>***** PROF. MICHAEL S. FLIER, Chairman > >> > >>Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures > >>Harvard University > >>Barker Center, 12 Quincy Street > >>Cambridge, MA 02138 > >> > >> : : : : : : : : > >> > >>TEL. (617) 495-4065 [Slavic Department] > >>TEL. (617) 495-4054 [Linguistics Department] > >>TEL. (617) 495-7833 [Ukrainian Research Institute] > >>FAX (617) 864-2167 [private] > >>WEB http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~slavic/faculty/michael_flier.html > >> > >>************************************************************************* > >>***** > >> > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription > >> options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: > >> http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription > > options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: > > http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ****************************************************************************** > PROF. MICHAEL S. FLIER, Chairman > > Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures > Harvard University > Barker Center, 12 Quincy Street > Cambridge, MA 02138 > > : : : : : : : : > > TEL. (617) 495-4065 [Slavic Department] > TEL. (617) 495-4054 [Linguistics Department] > TEL. 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Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From grylkova at UFL.EDU Mon Sep 17 03:09:23 2001 From: grylkova at UFL.EDU (Galina Rylkova) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 23:09:23 -0400 Subject: Noam Chomsky: On the Bombings In-Reply-To: <200109170126.VAA09631@artemis.chass.utoronto.ca> Message-ID: > From: Ralph Bogert > Reply-To: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list > > Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 21:26:43 CANADA/EASTERN > To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU > Subject: Re: Noam Chomsky: On the Bombings > >> In the wake of absolute calamity, Mr Oukashine did the subscribers of this > Languages and Literatures List a disservice by propagating the political > opinions of third parties. The vacuity and faineancy of the frequent > sophomoric submissions and inquiries posted here, noted by colleagues Goscilo > and Flier, pale in comparison to Mr. Oukashine's benighted instigation. Judging by his e-mail address Mr. Oushakine resides somewhere in the area of NY. What his posting showed to me was that professionalism -- ability to analyze and to try to understand -- die hard. I doubt that Lidiia Ginzburg would have been particularly popular with her fellow-Leningraders had they had a chance to read some of the passages from her "Zapiski blokadnogo cheloveka" at the time when they were being written. Here is one such passage: "I eta zhenshchina, uteshaiushchaiasia rol¹iu distroficheskoi isterichki, bessoznatel¹no delaet svoe delo ­ tem, chto prishla siuda zakazyvat¹ plat¹e, kak mozhno bolee krasivoe, i tem, chto poidet seichas na prostrelivaemuiu tramvainuiu ostanovku. I vse stolpivshiesia zdes¹ liudi ­ v tom chisle lamentiruiushchie, uzhasaiushchiesia, ukloniaiushchiesia, - povinuias¹ srednei norme povedeniia, vypolniaiut svoiu istoricheskuiu funktsiiu leningradtsev." (the last word in italics) >>>>> Again, we have a choice: we may try to understand, or refuse to do so, >>>>> contributing to the likelihood that much worse lies ahead. >>>>> >>>>> Noam Chomsky >>>>> -- Galina S. Rylkova Assistant Professor of Russian University of Florida Dept. of Germanic and Slavic Studies 263 Dauer Hall, PO Box 117430 Gainesville FL 32611-7430 (352) 392-2101, ext. 205 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. 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Duties will include: teaching and research in Jewish-Slavic cultural interaction in the framework of cultural history broadly defined. Subfields may include issues of ethnicity, cultural contact in a multiethnic environment (including aspects of music, literature and the arts), and the role of language and language policies in a multiethnic context. Interest in non-canonical perspectives welcome. The successful candidate will demonstrate firm commitment to research and publication in the indicated areas. Ability to teach and do interdisciplinary and comparative research required. Please send curriculum vitae, three letters of reference, and a substantial sample of scholarly writing to: Frederick Amrine, Interim Chair Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures University of Michigan 3040 Modern Languages Building Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1275 We are currently accepting applications and will continue to do so until an appointment is made. Applications received before November 15, 2001, will receive early consideration. The University of Michigan is an equal opportunity/affirmative action employer. University and Presidential policy prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, sex, color, religion, age, marital status, handicap, Vietnam-era veteran status, or sexual orientation. Women and minorities are encouraged to apply. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. 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Ulloa; telephone: (540) 231-8314; email: julloa at vt.edu; TTY: 1-800-828-1120. This position is a five-course load per academic year. The position is funded at the rank of Assistant Professor, but candidates seeking employment at the rank of Associate or Full Professor will be given careful consideration and commensurate salary. Required qualifications: candidate must have Ph.D. in hand by August 2002 in Russian language, literature, and/or Russian Studies; evidence of or potential for excellence in research; demonstrated excellence in teaching as revealed in letters of recommendation, student evaluations of instruction, and/or peer review letters; ability to teach all levels of Russian language as well as Russian literature, culture and civilization, and/or Russian Studies; native or near-native fluency in Russian and English. Preferred qualifications: interest and/or experience in ongoing development of a strong interdisciplinary Russian Studies program; interest and/or experience in the use of instructional technology in teaching Russian; teaching and/or research interest in popular culture, cultural studies, gender studies, film studies, folklore, or other related fields; fluency in other Slavic language besides Russian, and interest and/or experience in student extracurricular activities. Application procedures: Applicants should submit a letter highlighting their qualifications for the position and a complete dossier, including CV, academic transcripts, a short writing sample in English, three letters of reference, and evidence of teaching excellence. Send application materials to Dr. J. C. Ulloa, Chair of the Search Committee; Department of Foreign Languages and Literatures; 331 Major Williams Hall; Virginia Tech; Blacksburg, VA 24061-0225. Review of applications will begin 15 October 2001 and continue until the position is filled. Interviews will be held at the AAASS convention in November and the AATSEEL convention in December if necessary. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From steinb at uiuc.edu Mon Sep 17 16:25:06 2001 From: steinb at uiuc.edu (Mark Steinberg) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:25:06 EDT Subject: Job announcement Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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With funding from the United States Department of State (Title VIII Program and the Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs), National Endowment for the Humanities, The Starr Foundation, John J. and Nancy Lee Roberts, and its own Scholar Support Fund, IREX supports the following programs: INDIVIDUAL ADVANCED RESEARCH OPPORTUNITIES PROGRAM (IARO) Grants of up to $30,000 for two to nine months to US scholars for research in the social sciences and humanities at institutions in Eastern Europe and the NIS. Applicants can choose from the Fellowships in Policy Research and Development or Fellowships in Humanities options. Limited funding is available for cross-regional research in Turkey and Iran for humanities scholars. CHANGE TO 2002-2003 IARO PROGRAM APPLICATION Holders of terminal master's degrees are eligible for the IARO program. If you downloaded the 2002-2003 IARO application prior to September 1, 2001, you may submit your application using the old form. The only change is that the eligibility has been expanded to include holders of terminal master's degrees. -NEW- Grants for one to three months are now available to master's level students for research on policy relevant theses or equivalent projects. Deadline: November 1, 2001 For more information, please see the IREX web site at < http://www.irex.org/programs/iaro/index.htm > RUSSIAN-US YOUNG LEADERSHIP FELLOWS FOR PUBLIC SERVICE PROGRAM Fully funded, one-year fellowships for non-degree graduate-level academic programs in the field of Russian area studies, including course work in conflict resolution, economics, government studies, history, international relations, and political science at universities throughout the Russian Federation. The program also includes a public service component and a professional internship. Deadline: November 30, 2001 For more information, please see the IREX web site at < http://www.irex.org/programs/ylf/index.htm > CASPIAN SEA REGIONAL POLICY SYMPOSIUM IREX, in collaboration with the Woodrow Wilson Center for International Scholars, will hold a symposium for senior and junior US scholars to discuss a variety of political, economic, historical, and cultural topics related to the Caspian Sea Region. Junior scholars will be chosen based on a national competition. Applications must demonstrate a commitment to continued study, research, and work on and with the countries of the Caspian Sea Region. The symposium is scheduled for Spring 2002 in the Washington, DC area. 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SHORT-TERM TRAVEL GRANTS PROGRAM Grants of up to $3,000 for up to two months of travel to Eastern Europe and the NIS for postdoctoral scholars and professionals with terminal degrees who do not require administrative support from IREX. These projects in the social sciences and humanities should demonstrate academic merit and relevance and contribute to the body of knowledge on these regions through the dissemination of research results. Limited funding is available for travel to Turkey and Iran for cross-regional research in the humanities. Deadline: February 1, 2002 For more information, please see the IREX web site at < http://www.irex.org/programs/stg/index.htm > JOHN J. AND NANCY LEE ROBERTS FELLOWSHIP PROGRAM A single grant of up to $50,000 for research projects lasting up to 18 months. This program supports cutting-edge research in the social sciences in Eastern Europe, the NIS, China, Mongolia, Turkey, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iran for scholars with PhD or equivalent terminal degrees. Collaborative research programs involving international colleagues are strongly encouraged. Deadline: April 15, 2002 For more information, please see the IREX web site at < http://www.irex.org/programs/roberts/index.htm > BLACK AND CASPIAN SEA COLLABORATIVE RESEARCH PROGRAM Grants of up to $25,000 to a collaborative team of graduate and/or postgraduate scholars conducting research for up to one year, focusing on issues of practical relevance and current interest to academic, corporate, and policymaking communities. The collaborative team must consist of a minimum of three people: at least one US citizen or permanent resident and at least two citizens and current residents of two different countries of the Black and Caspian Sea region at the time of application. Deadline: May 1, 2002 For more information, please see the IREX web site at < http://www.irex.org/programs/black-caspian-sea/index.htm > Eligibility requirements vary by program. Please contact IREX for applications and further information on these and other programs. Applications may be downloaded from the web sites. IREX 1616 H Street, NW 6th Floor Washington, DC 20006 Tel: 202-628-8188 Fax: 202-628-8189 E-mail: < irex at irex.org > ************************************************************** Alina Israeli LFS, American University phone: (202) 885-2387 4400 Mass. Ave., NW fax: (202) 885-1076 Washington, DC 20016 aisrael at american.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rrobin at gwu.edu Wed Sep 19 20:44:08 2001 From: rrobin at gwu.edu (Richard Robin) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:44:08 EDT Subject: Golosa server Message-ID: For all Golosa users, The server that hosts audio for Golosa is down, probably until this evening. My apologies. -Richard Robin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. 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Davis Publications Coordinator and NewsNet Editor American Association for the Advancement of Slavic Studies (AAASS) 8 Story Street Cambridge, MA 02138, USA tel.: (617) 495-0679 fax: (617) 495-0680 http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~aaass/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jobailey at facstaff.wisc.edu Thu Sep 20 03:16:16 2001 From: jobailey at facstaff.wisc.edu (James Bailey) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:16:16 EDT Subject: No subject Message-ID: Seelangers, When I was in Moscow a year ago the main book fund in the Lenin Library (State???) was closed. I was told that it might be reopened this past summer. Does anyone know whether the library is actually functioning again? Thanks, James Bailey ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From a.jameson at dial.pipex.com Thu Sep 20 15:46:25 2001 From: a.jameson at dial.pipex.com (Andrew Jameson) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 11:46:25 EDT Subject: From today's Citycat.ru poetry list Message-ID: P/ P=P8P:P0P: P=P5 P

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It is not my field (at least it wasn’t till yesterday), so I would appreciate any suggestions: textbooks, course requirements, films that work with American students, etc. Has anybody seen “Sobachie serdtse”, “Igla”, “Brat 2”, and old Gaidai's comedies WITH subtitles? Sincerely, Igor Pustovoit Modern Langugages Hobart and William Smith Colleges Geneva, NY 14456 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jmerrill at drew.edu Thu Sep 20 15:48:13 2001 From: jmerrill at drew.edu (Jason Merrill) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 11:48:13 EDT Subject: Robots in film Message-ID: Dear Seelangers, I have a student currently writing a thesis who is looking for Russian and/or East European films about or featuring robots. If you have any suggestions (including how she might obtain copies for viewing), please email me off list at jmerrill at drew.edu. Spasibo! -- Jason A. Merrill Dept. of German and Russian Drew University Madison, NJ 07940 jmerrill at Drew.edu office: (973) 408-3791 http://www.users.drew.edu/~jmerrill ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From shura at sk.sympatico.ca Thu Sep 20 15:48:39 2001 From: shura at sk.sympatico.ca (Alexandra Popoff) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 11:48:39 EDT Subject: No subject Message-ID: It may be functioning again in winter, 2002, according to the recent information, which I received this summer in Moscow. Alexandra Popoff James Bailey wrote: > Seelangers, > When I was in Moscow a year ago the main book fund in the Lenin > Library (State???) was closed. I was told that it might be reopened this > past summer. Does anyone know whether the library is actually functioning > again? > Thanks, > James Bailey > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription > options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: > http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eelliott at northwestern.edu Thu Sep 20 20:15:21 2001 From: eelliott at northwestern.edu (Elisabeth Elliott) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 16:15:21 EDT Subject: Using the textbook Mir Russkikh Message-ID: Dear SEELangers, I'm using the text book Mir Russkikh by Dabars, Morris, and Stramnova for the first time this year and I would be very grateful if someone could help me with a few questions. Is there an instructor's manual? And if so, how would can I get a copy? Approximately how much time have you devoted to a lesson? Thanks in advance, and please reply off-line: eelliott at northwestern.edu Sincerely, Elisabeth Elliott ___________________________________________ Elisabeth Elliott, Ph.D. Russian Lecturer Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures 2001 Sheridan Road Andersen Hall #4230 (4th floor) Northwestern University Evanston, IL 60208-2206 Off: 847-491-8082 Dept.:847-491-5636 Fax:847-467-2596 E-mail: eelliott at northwestern.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Hettlinger at actr.org Thu Sep 20 20:36:21 2001 From: Hettlinger at actr.org (Graham Hettlinger) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 16:36:21 EDT Subject: Grants for Research and Language Study Message-ID: Dear Colleagues: American Councils for International Education: ACTR/ACCELS is currently accepting applications for the following fellowship programs: Title VIII Research Scholar Program: Provides full support for three to nine-month research trips to Russia, Central Asia, the Southern Caucasus, Ukraine, Belarus, and Moldova. Fellowships include round-trip international travel, housing, living stipends, visas, insurance, affiliation fees, archive access, research advising, and logistical support in the field. Total value of awards ranges from approximately $8,000 to $25,000. Open to graduate students, post-docs, and faculty. Funded by the U.S. Department of State, Program for Research and Training on Eastern Europe and the Newly Independent States. Application deadlines: October 1, 2001 (Spring Program); January 15, 2002 (Summer, Fall and Academic Year Programs). Title VIII Combined Research and Language Training Program: Provides full support and approximately eight hours per week of advanced language instruction for three to nine months in Russia, Central Asia, the Southern Caucasus, Ukraine, Belarus, and Moldova. Fellowships include round-trip international travel, housing, tuition, living stipends, visas, insurance, affiliation fees, archive access, research advising, and logistical support in the field. Open to graduate students, post-docs, and faculty. Total value of awards ranges from approximately $8,000 to $25,000. Funded by the U.S. Department of State, Program for Research and Training on Eastern Europe and the Newly Independent States. Application deadlines: October 1, 2001 (Spring Program); January 15, 2002 (Summer, Fall and Academic Year Programs.) Title VIII Special Initiatives Fellowship: Provides grants of up to $35,000 for field research on policy-relevant topics in Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan. Applicants must hold a Ph.D. in a policy-relevant field, have held an academic research position for a least five years, and have sufficient language-ability to carry out proposed research. Scholars must conduct research for at least four months in the field. Application deadlines: October 1, 2001 (Spring Program); January 15, 2002 (Summer, Fall and Academic Year Programs.) Title VIII Central Europe Research and Language Study Programs: Provides full support for three to nine months of research and/or language study in east-central Europe. Fellowships include round-trip international travel, housing, living stipends, visas, insurance, tuition, and affiliation fees. Funded by the U.S. Department of State, Program for Research and Training on Eastern Europe and the Newly Independent States. Open to graduate students, post-docs, and faculty. Total value of awards ranges from approximately $8,000 to $25,000. Application deadline: October 1, 2001 (Spring Program); January 15, 2002 (Summer, Fall and Academic Year Programs). Central Europe Summer Language Program: Offers international airfare, tuition, insurance, and living stipends to graduate students for up to three months of intensive language study at major universities throughout east-central Europe and the Baltic states. Open to students at the MA and Ph.D. level, as well as faculty and post-docs. Total value of awards ranges from $3,000 to $8,000. Funded by the U.S. Department of State, Program for Research and Training on Eastern Europe and the Newly Independent States. Application deadline: January 15, 2002. For more information, contact: Outbound Programs, American Councils for International Education: ACTR/ACCELS, 1776 Massachusetts Avenue, NW, Suite 700, Washington, DC 20036; (202) 833-7522, outbound at actr.org. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From vbelyanin at mtu-net.ru Fri Sep 21 02:53:52 2001 From: vbelyanin at mtu-net.ru (Valery Belyanin) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 22:53:52 EDT Subject: Biblioteka imeni Lenina In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20010919174832.00a64190@facstaff.wisc.edu> Message-ID: Bonjour Seelangers and James Bailey, you wrote: James> When I was in Moscow a year ago the main book fund in the Lenin James> Library (State???) was closed. I was told that it might be reopened this James> past summer. Does anyone know whether the library is actually functioning James> again? I suppose that Biblioteka imeni Lenina works not in full strength (something may function), but they have opened the web-site www.rsl.ru and are selling some files of some books. E.g. my book of 300 pages in *.doc costs around 30 USD. No comments. Truly Yours, Dr. Val Belyanin vbelyanin at mtu-net.ru Professor of Russian, Moscow State University ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gevsmart at intarnet.am Fri Sep 21 17:41:43 2001 From: gevsmart at intarnet.am (George Petrosyan) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 13:41:43 EDT Subject: POSITION DESCRIPTION Message-ID: POSITION DESCRIPTION International not-for-profit based in Virginia seeks Regional Director for Russia/Eurasia. BASIC FUNCTION: The Regional Director is responsible for planning, directing, organizing, and managing programs currently operatingand being planned. Coordinate marketing activities and partnership development in the region with the assistance of a multi-disciplinary group of technical personnel and program managers. Participate in fundraising activities. SPECIFIC RESPONSIBILITIES: 1. In conjunction with professional staff, plan, direct, and supervise programs in accordance with the Foundation budget and program commitments, and develop the strategic plan for the region. 2. Develop regional strategic plan and annual plan of operations. 3. Monitor program performance by frequent contact with country directors, program managers, review of field communication and periodic site visits. 4. Perform liaison duties with the Executive Office, Development and Finance Divisions on matters affecting programs in theregion. 5. Maintain communications with the Chief Operating Officer, or designee, regarding issues affecting present and future programs in the region. 6. Assist with recruitment and selection of staff necessary for effective operation and performance of all programs in the region. 7. Maintain an awareness of all financial and budgeting issues of each program. 8. Assure administrative support systems are adequately maintained. 9. Provide assistance with marketing efforts in the identification and development of new opportunities inthe region. 10. Assure preparation andsubmission of accurate and timely reports to donor agencies. 11. Negotiate country agreements and manage country-specific administrative issues, including labor laws, local contracts, import procedures, etc. 12. Participate and conduct performance reviews with employees as required. Qualifications: 1. Ten years of experience in project administration, contract negotiations, and financial management. 2. Graduate degree ininternational management and/or a relevant health care, health administration,or public health field. 3. Field experience ininternational health care programs. 4. Ability to travelinternationally as required to fulfill the duties of the position. 5. Fluency in Russianpreferred; fluency in written and oral English required. Please send CV and cover letter to: Ms. Jill Solomon Global Recruitment Specialists 91 Oakview Terrace, Short Hills, NJ 07078 USA Telefax: 973-379-7325 USA E-mail: jillsolomo at aol.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From valben at inwind.it Fri Sep 21 19:07:26 2001 From: valben at inwind.it (Valentina Benigni) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 15:07:26 EDT Subject: translation help!! Message-ID: How translate these slovenian words into english or russian: "blister", "črtno kodo"? Thank you!!! Valentina ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dintinjana at siol.net Fri Sep 21 19:36:15 2001 From: dintinjana at siol.net (JMD) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 15:36:15 EDT Subject: translation help!! In-Reply-To: <001a01c142cc$f8d2a300$69e3623e@valentina> Message-ID: bar code for hrtna koda, and I've no idea what blister refers to (in pharmacology, a blister would be a blister in English, too, since that's where it came from...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From vbelyanin at mtu-net.ru Sun Sep 23 03:41:21 2001 From: vbelyanin at mtu-net.ru (Valery Belyanin) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 23:41:21 EDT Subject: Textology.ru on Russian orthography Message-ID: Dear Seelangers! A new edition of the rules of Russian orthography is under preparation. WWW.TEXTOLOGY.ru has published an article of prof. A.M.Kamchatnov "About the new edition of the rules of russian orthography and punctuation". http://www.textology.ru/kamch/orfogr.html All comments and questions are welcome textology at mail.ru. Prof. Val Belianine, editor of the web-site textology.ru vbelyainin at mtu.ru ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ewb2 at cornell.edu Sun Sep 23 03:43:15 2001 From: ewb2 at cornell.edu (Wayles Browne) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 23:43:15 EDT Subject: Letter names: Question for Russian-speakers In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20010919163246.00a4b5a0@imap.fas.harvard.edu> Message-ID: A question primarily for people whose native language is Russian: 1) There is a letter of the Russian alphabet which looks like b and is often called m'agkij znak. Some sources give another name for it: EPb. 1a) Do you use this second name for it? 1b) How do you pronounce this second name--with E as in EM or with E as in EMKOCTb? 2) There is a letter of the Russian alphabet which is often called tv'ordyj znak. Some sources give another name for it: EP. 2a) Do you use this second name for it? 2b) How do you pronounce this second name--with E as in EM or with E as in EMKOCTb? 3) Were you educated (mostly) in Russia, or in some other country (which?) I will be very grateful for your answers (but please DON'T use the REPLY command, instead forward your answers to me at ewb2 at cornell.edu). Thank you! -- Wayles Browne, Assoc. Prof. of Linguistics Department of Linguistics Morrill Hall 220, Cornell University Ithaca, New York 14853, U.S.A. tel. 607-255-0712 (o), 607-273-3009 (h) fax 607-255-2044 (write FOR W. BROWNE) e-mail ewb2 at cornell.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sk5 at duke.edu Mon Sep 24 16:23:04 2001 From: sk5 at duke.edu (Simon Krysl) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:23:04 EDT Subject: Petrushevskaia Message-ID: Dear all, my apologies to bother with a question perhaps - given the circumstances - less than meaningful. Does anyone know of ENglish language translations of Liudmila Petrushevskaia's stories Chudo or Dva carstva? I am thinking of using them in a class - but my students will not (necessarily) read Russian. Many thanks Simon Krysl ___________________________________________________ Simon Krysl Graduate Program in Literature, Duke University 312 N Buchanan Blvd., #203 Durham, NC 27701-1747 (919) 680-3144 Kinderwagen Ohne Kind, Inc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From eginzbur at midway.uchicago.edu Mon Sep 24 18:25:46 2001 From: eginzbur at midway.uchicago.edu (Elizabeth Ginzburg) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:25:46 EDT Subject: looking for female, AATSEEL, to share a room Message-ID: I'm looking for a female, non-smoking roommate for the AATSEEL conference in December, for the nights of the 27-29th 1 Please contact me off-list. Thanks in advance. Liza Ginzburg eginzbur at midway.uchicago.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ilon at ut.ee Mon Sep 24 21:49:48 2001 From: ilon at ut.ee (Ilon Fraiman) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:49:48 EDT Subject: novosti sajta "Ruthenia" Message-ID: Dobryj den'! Novosti sajta "Ruthenia" (18-24 sentyabrya 2001 g.) ANONSY http://www.ruthenia.ru/anons.html 6-7 oktyabrya Mandel'shtamovskaya konferenciya v Prinstone http://www.ruthenia.ru/document/443553.html ----------------------------- XRONIKA AKADEMIChESKOJ ZhIZNI http://www.ruthenia.ru/hronika.html 18 sentyabrya Novosti nezavisimyx proektov na "Rutenii" http://www.ruthenia.ru/document/442010.html 20-23 sentyabrya "Yazykoznanie 21-go veka: problemy i perspektivy" (Kaliningrad) http://www.ruthenia.ru/document/442009.html Programma konferencii http://www.ruthenia.ru/document/442008.html 21 sentyabrya Obzor setevyx izdanij i proektov http://www.ruthenia.ru/document/444057.html ----------------------------- SSYLKA NEDELI http://www.ruthenia.ru/hotlinks.html 24 sentyabrya "Odezhda" dlya mysli http://www.ruthenia.ru/document/444054.html ----------------------------- RUSISTIKA NA VEBE http://www.ruthenia.ru/web/rusweb.html Dobavleny ssylki na stranicy otdeleniya slavyanskoj filologii i kafedry russkogo yazyka otdeleniya perevodovedeniya Tampereskogo universiteta (Finlyandiya) http://www.ruthenia.ru/web/europe.html#T Ilon Fraiman staff at ruthenia.ru http://www.ruthenia.ru/ ----------------------------- Adres dlya podpiski na rassylku novostej sajta "Ruthenia" http://www.ruthenia.ru/subscribe.html Chtoby otkazat'sya ot rassylki, zajdite, pozhalujsta, na stranicu http://www.ruthenia.ru/subscribe.html ili napishite pis'mo po adresu staff at ruthenia.ru ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Katkovski at osi.hu Tue Sep 25 00:10:47 2001 From: Katkovski at osi.hu (Vladimir Katkovski) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:10:47 EDT Subject: Slavic sites Message-ID: Dear SEELANGers, I am sure most of you have large collection of bookmarks (or link lists) to Slavic Web sites. I am building some sort of a Web site that (besides other things) will incorporate links to Slavic language resources on the Web. I am mostly interested in linguistic Web sites, e.g. sites with grammar, dictionaries, phrase books, study books, but I will be happy to take a look at other related sites (philological, literature pages, historical Slavic sites). Please reply off-list, or, maybe, send a copy to the list in case you think other participants will be interested as well. Sincerely, Uladzimir Katkouski http://www.geocities.com/uladzik/ P.S. To reveal the secret, the site will be devoted predominantly to Belarusian language. In case you are interested to receive the announcement once the site is ready, you can drop me a line just to tell me that you are interested. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From vbelyanin at mtu-net.ru Tue Sep 25 02:25:13 2001 From: vbelyanin at mtu-net.ru (Valery Belyanin) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:25:13 EDT Subject: Textology.ru on text interpretaion Message-ID: Dear Seelangers! The web-site www.TEXTOLOGY.ru has published an article in the paradygm of Russian psychological approach to language. The authors Zavelsky A.& D., Platonov S. has titled it "Text and interpretation". If you have an interest of how Russians view upon semantics of text you may go to http://www.textology.ru/public/interpr.html and send your opinion and criticism as well. textology at mail.ru Prof. Val Belianine, editor of the web-site textology.ru vbelyainin at mtu.ru ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From armstron at grinnell.edu Tue Sep 25 22:19:29 2001 From: armstron at grinnell.edu (Todd Armstrong) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:19:29 EDT Subject: SEELANGS Digest - 19 Sep 2001 to 20 Sep 2001 (#2001-266) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Colleagues, I am seeking information about software for scanning Cyrillic texts, for either the PC or the MAC. Any information on this topic would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Todd Armstrong Grinnell College ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gevsmart at intarnet.am Tue Sep 25 22:26:58 2001 From: gevsmart at intarnet.am (George Petrosyan) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:26:58 EDT Subject: Assistant Professor of Russian Language Message-ID: The Department of Linguistics and Germanic, Slavic, Asian and African Languages invites applications for a tenure system position at the assistant professor level inRussian language or literature/culture with the particular area of specialty open. The academic year position begins August 16, 2002. Ph.D., native/near-native knowledge of Russian and English, and college level teaching experience required. Strong background in and commitment to communicative foreign language teaching and program development, ability to utilize technology, experience with innovative approaches to teaching, and cross-disciplinary interests highly desirable. Duties include teaching Russian language, literature and culture, including interdisciplinary courses in the Center for Integrative Studies, training and evaluating graduate student teaching assistants, an active research program which could contribute to the university’s national Language Resource Center, and undergraduate advising. The successful applicant will be able to contribute to proposed content-based instruction project in Russian. Letter of application, vita, three letters of recommendation, evidence of teaching effectiveness, selected sample(s) of research work (offprints), and US visa status if non-citizen should be sent to: David K. Prestel, Chair. Department of Linguistics, and Germanic, Slavic, Asian and African Languages, A-615 Wells Hall, Michigan State University, East Lansing, MI 48824-1027. Review of files will begin on November 15, 2001 and continue until the position is filled. MSU is an AA/EOE institution. Women and minorities are especially encouraged to apply. Persons with disabilities may request and receive reasonable accommodation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jbartle at hamilton.edu Tue Sep 25 22:29:41 2001 From: jbartle at hamilton.edu (John Bartle) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:29:41 EDT Subject: Books to Review In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Seelangers-- I write you as the new Book Review Editor for the Slavic and East European Journal. The SEEJ page has been updated, and you will find several new entries under the "books seeking reviewers" section. A few recent additions: --Davis, Leslie Dorfman. Serapion Sister: The Poetry of Elizaveta Polonskaja. Evanston, Illinois; Northwestern University Press, 2001. 268 pp. --Hansen-Löve, Aage A., Reuther, Tilmann. Wiener Slawistischer Almanach. München, Germany; Hofdruck & Verlag, 2000. 280 pp. --Henry, Peter, V. I. Porudominsky, M. M. Girshman, eds. Vsevolod Garshin at the Turn of the Century. An International Symposium in Three Volumes. Vsevolod Garshin na rubezhe vekov. Mezhdunarodnyi sbornik v trekh tomakh. Oxford: Northgate Press, 2000. Bibliography. Index. Vol. 1: 275pp. Vol.2: 300pp. Vol. 3:248pp. --Kolchinsky, Irene. The Revival of the Russian Literary Avant-Garde: The Thaw Generation and Beyond. München, Germany; Verlag Otto Sagner, 2001. 208 pp. --Ketchian, Sonia I. Keats and the Russian Poets. Birmingham, UK; University of Birmingham, 2001. 308 pp. --Livingstone, Angela, guest ed. Essays in Poetics: The Journal of the British Neo-Formalist Circle. Staffordshire, UK, 2001. 167 pp.. --Platonov, Andrey. Happy Moscow. London: The Harvill Press, 2001. 154 pp. If you would like to review these or any other titles, please write me directly or visit the SEEJ website at: http://clover.slavic.pitt.edu/~aatseel/AATSEEL/seej/seej.html Special thanks to outgoing editor Sibelan Forrester, who has worked hard to make the transition painless for me and to David Galloway, who helped me get this webpage up and running. Please write me directly with any questions or concerns about the book review section. John Bartle -- John Bartle Associate Editor of Book Reviews Slavic and East European Journal Hamilton College Clinton, NY 13323 USA tel. 315-859-4779 fax 315-859-4687 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jmerrill at drew.edu Tue Sep 25 22:30:19 2001 From: jmerrill at drew.edu (Jason Merrill) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:30:19 EDT Subject: Robots in film Message-ID: Dear Seelangers, I was asked by several respondents to provide a summary of the answers about robots in Russian and Eastern European film. Thanks to all who replied. Here are the suggestions I received: 1. Lev Kassil's 1936 film "Vratar'" ["The Goalie"]. This is available at RBC. 2. A film version of Karel Capek's "Rossum's Universal Robots", which at least on respondent recalls viewing. 3. Echoes of robots in Vertov's animation of the inanimate in his films. 4. an old children's film "Tajna zheleznoj dveri" with such famous actors as Alisa Frejndlich and Oleg Tabakov; there was an important robot, a character in the film rather. That's what I have so far; please send additional suggestions to me at jmerrill at drew.edu. Spasibo! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cfwoolhiser at mail.utexas.edu Tue Sep 25 22:31:10 2001 From: cfwoolhiser at mail.utexas.edu (curt fredric woolhiser) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 18:31:10 EDT Subject: rahul's'kyj/rahul'stvo Message-ID: Dear SEELANGers: Can anyone provide a translation of the Ukrainian adjective "rahul's'kyj" and the related noun "rahul'stvo"? A student of mine is trying to translate a couple of articles from the youth music magazine "Halas", where these words show up. The contexts are as follows: "I znovu kumedna sumis^ vidverto *rahul's'koho* surz^yku navpil z halyc'kym dialektom zdavalasja osviz^ajuc^ym dus^em "s^arko", a prostis^e -- pryrodnym i z^yvym s^matkom z^yttja" (about the group "Braty Hadjukiny) "Vybac^te, ale ce vzahali ne prosto "moveton", ce spravz^nje *rahul'stvo*." (about the group "Samosoboys") I understand everything else in these two sentences, but the exact meanings of "rahul's'kyj" and "rahul'stvo" escape me. Would it be something like "mocking" and "mockery"? Djakuju zazdalehid' za dopomohu! Curt Woolhiser ======================================== Curt F. Woolhiser Dept. of Slavic Languages and Literatures Calhoun 415 University of Texas Austin, TX 78713-7217 USA Tel. (512) 232-9133, (512) 471-3607 Fax: (512) 471-6710 Email: cfwoolhiser at mail.utexas.edu Slavic Department Home Page: http://www.dla.utexas.edu/depts/slavic/ ======================================== ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From K.R.Hauge at east.uio.no Tue Sep 25 23:53:59 2001 From: K.R.Hauge at east.uio.no (Kjetil =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E5?= Hauge) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 19:53:59 EDT Subject: SEELANGS Digest - 19 Sep 2001 to 20 Sep 2001 (#2001-266) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Colleagues, > >I am seeking information about software for scanning Cyrillic texts, >for either the PC or the MAC. Any information on this topic would be >greatly appreciated. > FineReader is great, even the version that comes bundled with some scanners. The Mac version they announced long ago seems to be only vaporware, so on a Mac, you would have to run it under VirtualPC. This is no great problem, just scan into TIFF files on the Mac side and then switch to the Windows side and OCR with FineReader. -- -- Kjetil Rå Hauge, U. of Oslo. Phone +47/22856710, fax +47/22854140 -- (this msg sent from home, +47/67148424, fax +1/5084372444) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From svitlana at tucows.com Tue Sep 25 23:54:30 2001 From: svitlana at tucows.com (Svitlana Kobets) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 19:54:30 EDT Subject: SEELANGS Digest - 19 Sep 2001 to 20 Sep 2001 (#2001-266) Message-ID: check out www.abbyy.com it's a site for Fine Reader. This program was specifically written for Cyrillic texts, it's supposed to be the best on the market. They have a try and buy version. Good luck, Svitlana. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From LILAC1549 at aol.com Wed Sep 26 16:01:54 2001 From: LILAC1549 at aol.com (Kristina Efimenko) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:01:54 EDT Subject: help with health problem of Russian ESL students Message-ID: house at sover.net (Ewa) is the place someone should respond if he/she can help with information regarding the problem of ESL students and the meaning of MUMPS vacination. message from Kristina ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From kcf19 at dial.pipex.com Wed Sep 26 16:06:03 2001 From: kcf19 at dial.pipex.com (Robert Chandler) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:06:03 EDT Subject: Books to Review Message-ID: Dear John >--Livingstone, Angela, guest ed. Essays in Poetics: The Journal of >the British Neo-Formalist Circle. Staffordshire, UK, 2001. 167 pp.. > >--Platonov, Andrey. Happy Moscow. London: The Harvill Press, 2001. 154 pp. Might it be worth your pointing out that the Essays in Poetics volume is devoted entirely to Platonov? Someone might want to review both books together. Forgive me if I am being presumptuous. Best wishes, Robert Chandler ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lkeefe at mail.ukans.edu Wed Sep 26 16:06:33 2001 From: lkeefe at mail.ukans.edu (lkeefe) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:06:33 EDT Subject: U CH K Message-ID: Can anyone tell me quickly what U Ch K (Ó×Ê) stands for? It was in an article that refers to Albanian Ó×Ê. Or send me to a good online dictionary that might have this in it! Thanks Leann Keefe ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From akrouglov.dslc.fco at gtnet.gov.uk Wed Sep 26 16:07:09 2001 From: akrouglov.dslc.fco at gtnet.gov.uk (Dr Alex Krouglov) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:07:09 EDT Subject: rahul's'kyj/rahul'stvo Message-ID: Dear Curt It is either "yobbishness" or "yobbish behaviour, manner, culture", etc. >From "yob" - rough, uneducated person, traditionally rendered in Ukrainian as "zhlob" or "rahul". Alex Krouglov ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From r.senkus at utoronto.ca Wed Sep 26 16:09:45 2001 From: r.senkus at utoronto.ca (Roman Senkus) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:09:45 EDT Subject: Fwd: rahul's'kyj/rahul'stvo Message-ID: .>>>Can anyone provide a translation of the Ukrainian adjective >>>"rahul's'kyj" and the related noun "rahul'stvo"? . Yokel or hick, but much more pejorative in tone. ROMAN SENKUS / POMAH CEHbKYCb Director, CIUS Publications Program (CIUS Press and the Encyclopedia of Ukraine, Internet version [forthcoming]) Canadian Institute of Ukrainian Studies, Toronto Office 1 Spadina Crescent, room 109, University of Toronto Toronto, ON, M5S 2J5, Canada telephone: (416) 978-8669; message: (416) 532-7367; fax: (416) 978-2672 http://www.ualberta.ca/~cius/cius/press-frame.htm http://www.ualberta.ca/CIUS/eu/home-eu.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ggerhart at home.com Wed Sep 26 16:10:30 2001 From: ggerhart at home.com (Genevra Gerhart) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:10:30 EDT Subject: Nine, forty, crescent/cross Message-ID: Dear Seelangites, Ignorance rears its ugly head, again! Could you help put it down? 1.What is the source of the Russian custom of commemorating a death on the third, ninth, and fortieth days? 2. I am told that the association of 40 and the death commemoration has had a negative effect on the celebration of one's 40th birthday in Russia. Is that association common? 3. The number 40 seems to have other associations, 40 days and 40 nights, and other connections with the Bible?, Ali-baba and the 40 thieves? Is it somebody's magic number? 4. The Orthodox cross is sometimes seen with its base at the bottom of a semi-circle (crescent?, grail?). I have been told that the semi-circle plus the cross represents Islamic Turkey and the Orthodox victory thereover; and also I have been told that that explanation is ridiculous, that the semi-circle is a grail "graal'" to collect blood at the base of the cross. Is either explanation at least in the ball park? Thanks, Genevra Gerhart http://www.members.home.net/ggerhart New email address: ggerhart at home.com 206-329-0053 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jobailey at facstaff.wisc.edu Wed Sep 26 16:11:06 2001 From: jobailey at facstaff.wisc.edu (James Bailey) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:11:06 EDT Subject: SEELANGS Digest - 19 Sep 2001 to 20 Sep 2001 (#2001-266) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Todd Armstrong, I have used Fine Reader for some time and have had good luck with it scanning Cyrillic. You can order it from Smartlink whose phone is 800 256-4814. James Bailey ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From MonnierN at missouri.edu Wed Sep 26 16:11:47 2001 From: MonnierN at missouri.edu (Nicole Monnier) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:11:47 EDT Subject: experience with GRINT Centre for Education and Culture? Message-ID: Dear SEELANG(S)ers, Has anyone had contact/experience with the Moscow GRINT Centre for Education and Culture, specifically, with the semester-long programmes for undergraduate students? I have a student who is very interested in their offerings, but I know nothing of GRINT myself. I'm particularly interested in the reliability of the program coordinating staff -- the student has a mild heart condition and needs to be assured (as far as is possible!) that should something happen, she will be in good hands in terms of transportation and facilitation. (I do recognize that insurance and hospital care are separate issues.) Any imput would be appreciated. Please reply off-list. Many thanks, Nicole x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x Dr. Nicole Monnier Asst. Prof., Russian Director of Graduate Studies (Russian) German & Russian Studies 450 GCB University of Missouri Columbia, MO 65211 phone: (573)882-3370 fax: (573)884-8456 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From LILAC1549 at aol.com Wed Sep 26 16:35:18 2001 From: LILAC1549 at aol.com (Kristina Efimenko) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:35:18 EDT Subject: help with health problem of Russian ESL students Message-ID: Hello, our school nurse needs help with health records-immunization records. Ourthree ESL students came a year ago from Russia. The immunization recordsshow that all three children were immunized for MUMPS. The xeroxcopies which were sent state only MUMPS. We can see dates and dozesgiven. However, her question is if the immunization for MUMPS is the sameas given here, which is MMR (mumps, measles and rubella)? Perpahs someone will be able to answer this question. Thanks in advance. Ewa M. Seiler Peacham Elementary School Peacham, VT 05862 This is the full message and any who may be able to respond can do so at (Ewa) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From paulbg at pbg-translations.com Wed Sep 26 18:45:11 2001 From: paulbg at pbg-translations.com (Paul B. Gallagher) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:45:11 EDT Subject: U CH K Message-ID: lkeefe wrote: > Can anyone tell me quickly what U Ch K (SWJ) stands for? It was in an > article that refers to Albanian SWJ. > Or send me to a good online dictionary that might have this in it! > Thanks > Leann Keefe This one's usually pretty good for Russian acronyms: http://www.sokr.ru/ However, the one you gave is not Russian, it's transliterated from Albanian. It's often rendered in English as UCK, but the Albanian form is UGK (cedilla under the C). Another popular rendition is KLA, for Kosova Liberation Army. HTH -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher pbg translations, inc. "Russian Translations That Read Like Originals" http://pbg-translations.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mantic at students.wisc.edu Wed Sep 26 18:45:43 2001 From: mantic at students.wisc.edu (Marina Antic) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:45:43 EDT Subject: U CH K In-Reply-To: <3BC2FD96@webmail.ku.edu> Message-ID: UChK stands for the KLA (Kosovo Liberation Army), the guerilla group that fought in the most recent clashes with Serbia in Kosovo. Marina ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From peterska at union.edu Wed Sep 26 18:46:16 2001 From: peterska at union.edu (Kristin Peterson) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:46:16 EDT Subject: U CH K In-Reply-To: <3BC2FD96@webmail.ku.edu> Message-ID: Leann, Actually, it is: UÇK (Ç is typed holding ALT key while pressing numbers 1, 2 and 8 in Numpad). It stands for Ushtria (Army) Çlirimtare (Liberation) e Kosoves. Of course, that is KLA in English. Best, Kristin Peterson Assistant Professor of Russian Union College ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From CSperrle at cs.com Wed Sep 26 18:50:12 2001 From: CSperrle at cs.com (CSperrle at cs.com) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:50:12 EDT Subject: Nine, forty, crescent/cross Message-ID: Dear Genevra, As for question 1: 3rd day--Resurrection of Christ 9th day-- appearance of Christ to His Apostles and Doubting Thomas 40th day--Ascension of Christ As for 2: Never heard anything like that from the Russians I have been associating with. I have been on several 40th birthdays in Russia. It has always been a "iubilei" and a great occasion to drink. Best, Christina Sperrle ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From frosset at wheatonma.edu Wed Sep 26 18:50:40 2001 From: frosset at wheatonma.edu (Francoise Rosset) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:50:40 EDT Subject: Nine, forty, crescent/cross In-Reply-To: <200109261610.MAA19096@mail2.wheatonma.edu> Message-ID: I too would like to hear an authoritative explanation of the crescent/cross motif. And why it appears only on *some* churches. I don't know about 40, but I have something about 4 and 9. For what it's worth, there apparently is an association in Japan between the numbers 4 and 9 and death. My source for this is my stepmother, who is Japanese (and lives there, not an immigrant); she tells me that no Japanese patient will accept a hospital room with 4 or 9 -- unless they are only mildly ill and feel safe -- because of this belief or superstition. I've never hand a chance to check on the extent of this or the rationale behind it. I vaguely remember it had something to do with the sound of the numbers [four is "shi" and nine "chyu", I believe] and the words for "death." -FR Francoise Rosset phone: (508) 286-3696 Russian and Russian Studies fax: (508) 286-3640 Wheaton College e-mail: frosset at wheatonma.edu Norton, Massachusetts 02766 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rilgner at morgan.ucs.mun.ca Wed Sep 26 18:51:03 2001 From: rilgner at morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Richard Ilgner) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 14:51:03 EDT Subject: Position Announcement Message-ID: Position Announcement Assistant Professor (Tenure-Track) Subject to budgetary approval, the Department of German and Russian, Memorial University of Newfoundland, Canada, invites application for a tenure-track position in Russian at the Assistant Professor level to commence September 1, 2002. In addition to Russian language and literature at all undergraduate levels, the successful candidate will be required to teach introductory courses in German. Near native fluency in Russian is required. The successful applicant will have a doctorate in hand by the date of appointment and be able to submit evidence of effective teaching and research potential. Please send a curriculum vitae, and the names and addresses of three referees, to: Dr. Richard Ilgner Head, Department of German and Russian Memorial University of Newfoundland A1C 5S7 The closing date for applications is December 31, 2001. Memorial University is the largest university in Atlantic Canada. As the province's only university, Memorial plays an integral role in the educational and cultural life of Newfoundland and Labrador. Offering diverse undergraduate and graduate programmes to almost 16,000 students, Memorial provides a distinctive and stimulating environment for learning in St. John's, a very safe, friendly city with great historic charm, a vibrant cultural life, and easy access to a wide range of outdoor activities. Memorial University is committed to employment equity and encourages applications from qualified women and men, visible minorities, aboriginal people and persons with disabilities. Priority will be given to Canadian citizens and permanent residents of Canada. Richard Ilgner ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From kat at INTERDESIGN.CA Wed Sep 26 19:03:24 2001 From: kat at INTERDESIGN.CA (Kat Tancock) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 15:03:24 -0400 Subject: Nine, forty, crescent/cross In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Not sure about the Japanese, but in Mandarin (and probably Cantonese) the words for "four" and "death" (szi`) are homonyms. Not written the same, of course. :) This may have crossed over into Japan. Kat > I don't know about 40, but I have something about 4 and 9. > For what it's worth, there apparently is an association in Japan > between the numbers 4 and 9 and death. My source for this is my > stepmother, who is Japanese (and lives there, not an immigrant); > she tells me that no Japanese patient will accept a hospital room > with 4 or 9 -- unless they are only mildly ill and feel safe -- > because of this belief or superstition. > > I've never hand a chance to check on the extent of this or the > rationale behind it. I vaguely remember it had something to do > with the sound of the numbers [four is "shi" and nine "chyu", > I believe] and the words for "death." ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From svitlana at TUCOWS.COM Wed Sep 26 21:55:36 2001 From: svitlana at TUCOWS.COM (Svitlana Kobets) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 17:55:36 -0400 Subject: Nine, forty, crescent/cross Message-ID: Dear Genevra, I'd like to expend a bit on Christina Sperrle's answer to your first question. > 1.What is the source of the Russian custom of commemorating a death on the > third, ninth, and fortieth days? 3rd day--Resurrection of Christ 9th day-- appearance of Christ to His Apostles and Doubting Thomas 40th day--Ascension of Christ The first full source of information about commemorating the dead (pominovenie usopshikh) is perhaps Postanovleniia apostol'skiie. Interaction (in quotation marks or without) between the living and dead is a big part of the Orthodox Christian tradition and service. 3, 9, 40 days and the day of death are the Christian days established for commemoration of the dead in apx. 2-3rd centuries. The tradition of prayer for the dead on these days was preserved in Eastern Orthodoxy, but not in the West. Thus in Eastern Orthodoxy the living by their prayers can facilitate the soul's passage through the toll-houses, while according to the Western traditions, the souls of the dead are on their own. There are 20 toll-houses, and it can take 40 days to get through. On the other hand liniar time does not necessarily work here. Actually, days commemorating the dead are established in all spiritual traditions, and very often they are the same. For the pagans, for example, these numbers are 3, 7, 9, 20, 40, 70. Jews have 3, 7, 14, 30, 40. (Khristianstvo, Entsiklopedicheskii slovar', M. 1995) This source also says that 40th day was the most important. It also gives a reference to the interpretation of an early Christian author, Nikifor Kallist and later on Early Russian death bills (sinodiki). Thus the death bill of Iosif-Volokolamsk monastery gives the following explanation: on the 3rd day the face of the dead changes on the 9th day the whole body (yet not heart) decomposes on the 40th day the heart decomposes It is very likely that the reference is to a mystical rather than physical body. In any case, I can hardly call the above an explanation. While Christina Sperrle's explanation of the symbolism of these numbers coincides with the official Orthodox doctrine, there is also an esoteric side to this story. After all, there are the same numbers in the Tibetan "Book of the Dead." There we find references to 3 postmortem states of the soul: that of the moment of death, of karmic haze, and of "awaiting the next incarnation." As we know, the text of this book contains instructions about how the soul is supposed to get through, which are read over the dead for 49 days. In Eastern Orthodoxy the text of Psalter and prayers of the living play the same role. They facilitate the passage of the soul to Heaven. 3, 9, 40 are supposedly the most critical days on this path, so at those times prayers of the living are of utmost importance. > 2. I am told that the association of 40 and the death commemoration has had > a negative effect on the celebration of one's 40th birthday in Russia. Is > that association common? Never heard anything like that. 40 is a big number, "kruglaia data." If anything, it's good. > 4. The Orthodox cross is sometimes seen with its base at the bottom of a > semi-circle (crescent?, grail?). I have been told that the semi-circle plus > the cross represents Islamic Turkey and the Orthodox victory thereover; and > also I have been told that that explanation is ridiculous, that the > semi-circle is a grail "graal'" to collect blood at the base of the cross. > Is either explanation at least in the ball park? You are quite right, it signifies Orthodoxy's triumph over Islam. Best, Svitlana Kobets ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From wfr at SAS.AC.UK Wed Sep 26 22:37:23 2001 From: wfr at SAS.AC.UK (william ryan) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 23:37:23 +0100 Subject: Nine, forty, crescent/cross Message-ID: Dear Genevra, 1. Not only Russian, also S. Slav, and as far as I can recall without a reference book, Greek also. In the medieval West too it was customary to have requiem masses on the 3rd, 9th and 30th day after burial and also on the anniversary. On three and forty the motivation is surely Biblical: 'after three days he rose again', and as recorded in Acts 1.3. Jesus showed himself for forty days between his death and ascension. On nine I don't know. The Polnyi pravoslavnyi enstiklopedicheskii slovar' (1913), says that the old Russian sinodiki explained the 3, 9, and 40 days represent distinct phases in the decomposition of a corpse. This strangely rationalist explanation is improbable given the wide range of climatic conditions between the Mediterranean and the White Sea. In fact the 20th day, half year and year were also celebrated. 2. Don't know, but quite possible since 'sorok' is a 'rokovoi' number and the 40 days are involved in many superstitions. Dal' quotes the proverb 'sorokovoi medved' okhotnika kalechit'. And you will remember the film Sorok pervyi. 3. Lots of biblical associations - see any Bible concordance. In particular the one I quote above. But if you look in the literature of numerology you will find that most numbers have magical interpretations 4. The upturned crescent is common in Western heraldry to indicate someone who went on the crusades and certainly indicates victory over Islam there. A resonant theme! I think the same is true in Russia. Are not the crescents beneath crosses a late introduction in Russia (18th century?) and mostly found on the tops of Russian churches and not in icons or miniatures; and I am not aware that Grail legends had any particular currency in Russia. When I get to my library tomorrow I'll try to check out a few points. Will Ryan Genevra Gerhart wrote: > Dear Seelangites, > Ignorance rears its ugly head, again! Could you help put it down? > > 1.What is the source of the Russian custom of commemorating a death on the > third, ninth, and fortieth days? > 2. I am told that the association of 40 and the death commemoration has had > a negative effect on the celebration of one's 40th birthday in Russia. Is > that association common? > 3. The number 40 seems to have other associations, 40 days and 40 nights, > and other connections with the Bible?, Ali-baba and the 40 thieves? Is it > somebody's magic number? > 4. The Orthodox cross is sometimes seen with its base at the bottom of a > semi-circle (crescent?, grail?). I have been told that the semi-circle plus > the cross represents Islamic Turkey and the Orthodox victory thereover; and > also I have been told that that explanation is ridiculous, that the > semi-circle is a grail "graal'" to collect blood at the base of the cross. > Is either explanation at least in the ball park? > Thanks, > > Genevra Gerhart > > http://www.members.home.net/ggerhart > New email address: ggerhart at home.com > 206-329-0053 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription > options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: > http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ################################################################## W. F. 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Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From russell-valentino at UIOWA.EDU Wed Sep 26 22:57:16 2001 From: russell-valentino at UIOWA.EDU (Russell Valentino) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 17:57:16 -0500 Subject: Nine, forty, crescent/cross In-Reply-To: <3BB258A3.8F65C6FA@sas.ac.uk> Message-ID: The upturned crescent can be found in early Russian architecture as well, e.g., St. Demitrius in Vladimir (late 12th century) and in the Transfiguration Church in Pereslavl-Zalessky (mid-12th century), which makes the suggestion that it should designate triumph over "Islamic Turkey" a bit of a stretch. Over Islam perhaps. Even when there is no crescent per se, there is a short, uncurved transept at the base of most Russian cupola crosses, suggesting, in fact, a base. >4. The upturned crescent is common in Western heraldry to indicate >someone who >went on the crusades and certainly indicates victory over Islam there. A >resonant theme! I think the same is true in Russia. Are not the >crescents >beneath crosses a late introduction in Russia (18th century?) and mostly >found >on the tops of Russian churches and not in icons or miniatures; and I am >not >aware that Grail legends had any particular currency in Russia. > >When I get to my library tomorrow I'll try to check out a few points. > >Will Ryan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Zemedelec at AOL.COM Thu Sep 27 01:35:26 2001 From: Zemedelec at AOL.COM (Leslie Farmer) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 21:35:26 EDT Subject: Palm Pilot dictionary Message-ID: Does anyone know if there's a Palm Pilot Czech-English English-Czech dictionary? (Available in the US, I hope). ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From esamson3 at HOME.COM Thu Sep 27 02:02:05 2001 From: esamson3 at HOME.COM (Earl Sampson) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 20:02:05 -0600 Subject: Nine, forty, crescent/cross Message-ID: william ryan wrote: > Dear Genevra, > > 1. Not only Russian, also S. Slav, and as far as I can recall without a > reference book, Greek also. Yes, Greek also (re: memorial services on the 3rd, 9th and 40th days after death). After the 40-day memorial, usage varies, but generally the one-year anniversary is the next most important. Some have prayers said for their dead every year indefinitely. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tritt002 at MAROON.TC.UMN.EDU Thu Sep 27 03:06:45 2001 From: tritt002 at MAROON.TC.UMN.EDU (Michael Trittipo) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 22:06:45 -0500 Subject: Palm Pilot dictionary In-Reply-To: <142.23a2bd6.28e3dc5e@aol.com> Message-ID: At 20:35 01/09/26, Leslie Farmer wrote: >Does anyone know if there's a Palm Pilot Czech-English English-Czech >dictionary? (Available in the US, I hope). According to the following web site, which offers one, yes. See http://www.ectaco.co.uk/software/list_by_lang.php3?refid=511&lang=4 I haven't bought or used it myself, though. If you're thinking about Czech on the Palm, you might be interested in Interpilot, to get the diacritics in any of your writing applications. http://www.sergem.net/interpilot/ Michael Trittipo Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA mailto:tritt002 at tc.umn.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From yamato at YT.CACHE.WASEDA.AC.JP Thu Sep 27 03:25:52 2001 From: yamato at YT.CACHE.WASEDA.AC.JP (Yoshimasa Tsuji) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 12:25:52 +0900 Subject: experience with GRINT Centre for Education and Culture? In-Reply-To: (message from Nicole Monnier on Wed, 26 Sep 2001 12:11:47 EDT) Message-ID: Dear Dr Monnier, I assume GRINT stands for G &R International Travel, who runs a hostel in Moscow and sells invitation for acquiring visa to Russia. http://hostel-asia at mtu-net.ru You will probably find their e-mail address there and write to them about your anxieties. Anyway, we foreigners use either American Medical Center or European Medical Centre. Your student will be transported to either of them in case of emergency. I am sure GRINT will do so. Good luck. Tsuji (temporarily in Moscow at the moment) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From yamato at YT.CACHE.WASEDA.AC.JP Thu Sep 27 03:42:17 2001 From: yamato at YT.CACHE.WASEDA.AC.JP (Yoshimasa Tsuji) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 12:42:17 +0900 Subject: experience with GRINT Centre for Education and Culture? In-Reply-To: <200109270325.MAA03702@tsuji.yt.cache.waseda.ac.jp> (message from Yoshimasa Tsuji on Thu, 27 Sep 2001 12:25:52 +0900) Message-ID: Dear Dr Monnier, My message included a typo: hostel-asia at mtu-net.ru was their address, and their WEB pages are http://www.hostels-trains.ru Tsuji ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From billings at PU.EDU.TW Thu Sep 27 07:14:43 2001 From: billings at PU.EDU.TW (Loren A. Billings) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:14:43 +0800 Subject: Apology (was: Books on Russians' views of the West) Message-ID: Vladimir Bilenkin posted a query a while back: > Next spring I will have to teach a new course on > cross-national representations "Russia and the > West: Under each other's eyes". (To make it even > worse, this is an undergraduate course). I have > enough materials on Western "constructs" of > Russia/SU, including Malia's _Under the Western > Eyes_, which can be utilized as a quasi textbook, > not to mention profitably exploited as such a > "construct" in its own right. But the Russian > side of this course is much weaker in > interpretative literature. [...] I replied with a sketchy description of a book I used years ago. Professor Bilenkin has since received a more complete reference (supplied to him by Arlene Forman) for the book I had in mind: Hasty, Olga Peters & Fusso, Suzanne (eds.) _America through Russian eyes (1876-1924)._ Yale University Press, ISBN: 0300040156, 1988. (Available both new and used from Amazon.com.) This is, indeed the volume we used. In fact, in the early to mid 1990s Professor Hasty and I were at the same department. I now remember discussing the book with her briefly. My apologies for not recalling that this was her work. Best, --Loren Billings ----------------------------------------------------- Loren A. Billings, Ph.D.; e-mail Dept. of English Language, Literature and Linguistics Providence University, 200 Chung Chi Road, Shalu Town Taichung Hsien/County, Taiwan 43301 Republic of China Telephone: +886-4-2632-8001 ext. 2221 or (dept.) 2021 ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From holmsted at FAS.HARVARD.EDU Thu Sep 27 08:10:06 2001 From: holmsted at FAS.HARVARD.EDU (Hugh Olmsted) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 04:10:06 -0400 Subject: Three, nine, forty, & the crescent/cross Message-ID: Dear Genevra et al., Explanations for the choice of 3d, 9th, and 40th days in Orthodox catechetical and reference works tend to run something as follows: 3d day: the pominovenie expresses the desire that the soul of the one who has fallen asleep arise into eternal life on the example of the Lord Jesus, who arose from the dead on the third day. 9th day: that the soul of the deceased be reckoned among the 9 angelic ranks. 40th day: that the soul of the deceased, having worthily undergone its test or judgment (which is traditionally taken by the Church as having occurred by that time) might be raised by God's grace to its place in the mansions of the blessed. Maybe it's worth mentioning, since the yearly anniversary has been referred to, that the namesday and birthday are also so commemorated. As to the half-moon shape sometimes met at the bottom of crosses on Orthodox churches, it's clear that the configuration is met well before the 18th century. While it's hardly the final word, I can offer no less (and no later!) an authority's best guess on the subject than that of prepodobnyi Maksim Grek, who wrote precisely on this question in the sixteenth century. Evidently one of his correspondents had asked him for an explanation of the half-moon cross; Maksim's brief composition in answer has survived in numerous manuscripts of his works (including those of his own lifetime) and in his published Sochineniia (Kazan': pri Kazanskoi dukhovnoi akademii, 1859-62, 3 vols., where it appears in vol. 3, p. 124-125 as: Inoka Maksima Greka Skazanie o tom, chto pod krestom na tserkvi okruzhen aki mesiats mlad. nach.: o sem U, v nemzhe kresty vodruzheny sut' na tserkvakh, vezhd', iako.... The answer Maksim offers is formulated diffidently, without claims of authority. He proposes two possible explanations, both based on the presumed symbolic use not of the crescent moon, but of the Greek letter upsilon / ypsilon (similar in form, with its curved form and upturned points). The first attempt turns on the word (h)ypsos 'high', on the assumption that the ypsilon on the cross refers to Christ's resurrection, with the cross itself then naturally signifying Christ's height and glory. The second proposed explanation is even less direct: since the numerical significance of ypsilon in Greek cipher is 400 (in Slavonic in this function ypsilon's descedant, izhitsa, has been replaced by the digraph ou), Maksim takes the possible significance coded into this form of the cross as combining 4 (the four corners of the world to which Christian teaching and salvation have spread) and 100 (the 100 sheep in the parable, from among which the one who has gone astray is brought back to the fold by the Good Shepherd, and thus signifies the discovery of Christ and the Cross itself). Maksim closes with a formula of modesty: "That's as much as my meagre mind can achieve: anyone capable of more, let him enlighten us!" (Toliko dostizaet khudyi um moi, a mogii bol'shi togo, da prosvetit nas!) So I offer this partly just as historical testimony to the half-moon cross's occurrence by the 16th century, noting that Maksim evidently takes for granted its presence in the Byzantine world; and partly as an example of the degree of hesitancy in the attempt by one pre-modern Orthodox bookman (not the least-well informed) to puzzle out its meaning. Other proposed explanations can be found in the book, A.A. Sviatoslavskii, A.A. Troshin, Krest v russkoi kul'ture: ocherk russkoi monumental'noi stavrografii (M. : Drevlekhranilishche, 2000), p. 25-26 et passim. Among these interpretations (with further citations of other sources) are: 1. That the bent lower bar represents a snake, and thus Christianity's victory over heathendom. 2. It represents the protecting hand-guard at the point where a sword's blade meets the hilt--thus the cross as weapon of the church militant. 3. The cross in this form represents an anchor. 4. The crescent shape represents a cup or goblet into which Christ's blood flowed -- thus representing the Eucharist Chalice. ...and others... It's interesting that there seems so little firm evidence, so little consensus. A more substantial and convincing historical explanation must still be out there somewhere... Hugh Olmsted ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From russky at UNB.CA Thu Sep 27 13:46:21 2001 From: russky at UNB.CA (Allan Reid) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 10:46:21 -0300 Subject: Russian views of Canadian politics Message-ID: Greetings I have received a request for titles of Russian books on Canadian politics. (Who and why is too complicated to bother explaining.) These would be for educated but non-specialized Russian readers. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks in advance. allan reid Allan Reid Professor of Russian Chair, Dept of Culture and language Studies PO Box 4400 University of New Brunswick Fredericton, NB E3E 1A9 Tel: (506) 458-7714 Fax: (506) 447-3166 http://www.unb.ca/web/arts/Culture_Lang/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Julie.A.Cassiday at WILLIAMS.EDU Thu Sep 27 15:04:35 2001 From: Julie.A.Cassiday at WILLIAMS.EDU (Julie Cassiday) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 11:04:35 -0400 Subject: Pilgrimage and Russian Orthodoxy. Message-ID: Dear Seelangers, I'm an undergrad writing a thesis on Dostoevsky's great novels. I'm researching the cultural context of his works right now--namely, pilgrimage in Russian Orthodoxy. I've managed to find general works on the theory of pilgrimage, for example, books by Victor Turner. However, I've found little on the history and cultural significance of pilgrimage in the Russian Orthodox Church. Where might I find information on the practice of pilgrimage within Russian, particularly in the 19th century? Any information you can give me I would really appreciate. Please respond off-list to 02kkd at williams.edu. Thank you! Katherine Desormeau ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jdingley at YORKU.CA Thu Sep 27 16:27:39 2001 From: jdingley at YORKU.CA (John Dingley) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 12:27:39 -0400 Subject: tone-deaf Message-ID: Hi, In "medved'/slon na uxo nastupit'" ("to have no ear for music", "to be tone-deaf"), the reference works I have consulted all give both "medved'" and "slon" as possible in this expression. My questions are: 1. Are "medved'" and "slon" really interchangeable here? 2. Are there geographical and/or dialectal factors to be considered? 3. Are there generational factors at play? and 4. How has this expression come about? Other than Russian, I have found it only in Polish, i.e. "sLon' na ucho nadepna,c'", with just the "elephant" word, which might suggest it has come from German. But in German I know only "kein musikalisches Gehoer haben". 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Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From marydelle at EARTHLINK.NET Thu Sep 27 16:59:27 2001 From: marydelle at EARTHLINK.NET (Mary Delle LeBeau) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 09:59:27 -0700 Subject: Yarillo spring festival Message-ID: Dear SEELANGers, I am doing research on the Rite of Spring by Stravinsky. I have been trying to find a document on Slavic mythology that describes the sacrifice to the god Yarillo that Stravinsky and Roerich use as the basis of the story in the Rite. I've found many descriptions of the Yarillo spring festival, but no mention of a sacrifice. I know that Roerich did archeological research and may have encountered this pagan practice in his work, but I've so far been able to find no such reference myself. Can anyone suggest a book or other reference that points to the Slavic pagan practice of sacrifice during the Yarillo spring festival? You can send any ideas to me off-list at marydelle at earthlink.net. I give you my profuse thanks in advance for all suggestions. Yours, Mary Delle LeBeau ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From norafavorov at EARTHLINK.NET Thu Sep 27 16:56:25 2001 From: norafavorov at EARTHLINK.NET (Nora Favorov) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 12:56:25 -0400 Subject: birthday ditty Message-ID: If you poke around http://www.virtualcard.ru/ you will find lots of birthday ditties, some corny and traditional, others a bit more original. Nora Favorov > Does anyone have a good Russian birthday poem, song, or ditty to share? > Thanks, > Katya King ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dumanis at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU Thu Sep 27 17:49:23 2001 From: dumanis at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU (Edward M Dumanis) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 13:49:23 -0400 Subject: birthday ditty In-Reply-To: <00c901c14775$593b78a0$cea1fea9@a6e9r7> Message-ID: I have checked that site but have not found any birthday ditties there. The only ditty that I know is Karavay (a round-dance type game/ceremony with singing). It is a lot of fun for kids. I could teach my students to play it but have no way to communicate it by e-mail. Edward Dumanis On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, Nora Favorov wrote: > If you poke around http://www.virtualcard.ru/ you will find lots of birthday > ditties, some corny and traditional, others a bit more original. > Nora Favorov > > > Does anyone have a good Russian birthday poem, song, or ditty to share? > > Thanks, > > Katya King ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From norafavorov at EARTHLINK.NET Thu Sep 27 18:13:38 2001 From: norafavorov at EARTHLINK.NET (Nora Favorov) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 14:13:38 -0400 Subject: birthday ditty Message-ID: You have to choose a birthday card and then scroll down to the light blue "Gotovye teksty" button on the left. There they list 35 little messages, mostly rhymed, that can be used to congratulate someone on that special day. > If you poke around http://www.virtualcard.ru/ you will find lots of birthday > ditties, some corny and traditional, others a bit more original. > I have checked that site but have not found any birthday ditties there. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From holdeman.2 at OSU.EDU Thu Sep 27 18:48:50 2001 From: holdeman.2 at OSU.EDU (Jeff Holdeman) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 14:48:50 -0400 Subject: birthday ditty In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The closest thing to a Russian birthday song that I have encountered is Pesenka krokodila Geny (featuring the refrain "K sozhalen'iu, den' rozhden'ia/Tol'ko raz v godu"). The text is available on the Web, for instance, at: http://www.ludd.luth.se/~silver_p/Muzik/Rus/Lyr/gena.html (in Cyrillic with guitar chords) http://www.cs.chalmers.se/~ilya/pesni-t/gena.html (in Latin transliteration) http://matter.cc.brandeis.edu/ignatiev/MP3 (reportedly has an MP3 of the song, although the link didn't work when I checked it) Regarding the suggestion of "Karavai" by Edward Dumanis, in The Russian's World, Genevra Gerhardt gives the text and instructions. Kak na Oliny imeniny ispekli my karavai. Vot takoi vyshiny, vot takoi nizhiny vot takoi shiriny vot takoi uzhiny. Karavai, karavai, kogo liubish, vybirai. -Ia liubliu ochen' vsekh, a Mar'ianu bol'she vsekh. HOW TO PLAY: The participants make a circle by holding hands. One person (the karavai [a large round loaf of bread]) stands in the middle. The circle starts moving to the left and begins singing, "Kak na Oliny imeniny ispekli my karavay". Then they raise their (joined) hands high and say, "Vot takoi vyshiny". They then lower their (joined) hands to the floor and say, "Vot takoi nizhiny". Then they stop circling and spread out as far as possible and sing, "Vot takoi shiriny", then rush in and sing, "Vot takoi uzhiny". Next, then begin circling again and sing, "Karavai, karavai, kogo liubish, vybirai". They stop circling. The person in the middle sings/says, "Ia liubliu ochen' vsekh, a Mar'ianu bol'she vsekh." They kiss, and the two trade places. I have had Russian friends argue over the exact text and "performance", but this is pretty close to the original. (I am open to receiving your variations off-list.) Jeff Jeff Holdeman The Ohio State University holdeman.2 at osu.edu >Does anyone have a good Russian birthday poem, song, or ditty to share? >Thanks, >Katya King > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription > options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: > http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From svitlana at TUCOWS.COM Thu Sep 27 19:54:22 2001 From: svitlana at TUCOWS.COM (Svitlana Kobets) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 15:54:22 -0400 Subject: Yarillo spring festival Message-ID: Dear Mary Delle LeBeau, You can check out Ivanov V. V., Toporov V. N "Issledovaniia v oblasti slavianskikh drevnostei," and B. M. Rybakov, "IAzychestvo drevnikh slavian." Good luck, Svitlana Kobets ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dumanis at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU Thu Sep 27 20:07:36 2001 From: dumanis at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU (Edward M Dumanis) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:07:36 -0400 Subject: birthday ditty In-Reply-To: <00ef01c14780$21adaa60$cea1fea9@a6e9r7> Message-ID: Thank you but have checked those texts. They are not simple poems/songs but rather pretentious rhymed messages similar to what we have on birthday cards in our stores. I would hardly classify them as ditties. Edward Dumanis On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, Nora Favorov wrote: > You have to choose a birthday card and then scroll down to the light blue > "Gotovye teksty" button on the left. There they list 35 little messages, > mostly rhymed, that can be used to congratulate someone on that special day. > > > > If you poke around http://www.virtualcard.ru/ you will find lots of > birthday > > ditties, some corny and traditional, others a bit more original. > > > I have checked that site but have not found any birthday ditties there. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From wfr at SAS.AC.UK Thu Sep 27 21:23:28 2001 From: wfr at SAS.AC.UK (william ryan) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 22:23:28 +0100 Subject: Nine, forty, crescent/cross Message-ID: Svitlana Kobets says: 'The tradition of prayer for the dead on these days was preserved in Eastern Orthodoxy, but not in the West. Thus in Eastern Orthodoxy the living by their prayers can facilitate the soul's passage through the toll-houses, while according to the Western traditions, the souls of the dead are on their own.' Not so. As a well-brought-up Catholic I pray regularly for the dead in the Mass and in particular on All Souls Day. The Catholic practice is, as I have said in my message to Genevra, clearly derived from the same source as the Orthodox, and is roundly condemned as superstitious and without Biblical authority by Protestant denominations (who regard Maccabees, the only Biblical reference, as uncanonical). If the source is indeed the Apostolic Canons (which I cannot at present check), then the Eastern and Western Churches do share the same fairly early Christian tradition in the matter. Nicephorus Callistus was not an early Christian writer but a Byzantine writer of the 13th-14th century. On the origin of the heavenly tollhouses (mytarstva) I should like to know more. They are clearly not canonical. I have found references to St Basil the New, and a quotation from Kiril of Turov. Do they arise from a literary conceit in a religious writer or from some more folkloric source? They are a popular theme in Old Believer illuminated manuscripts. Will Ryan Svitlana Kobets wrote: > Dear Genevra, > > I'd like to expend a bit on Christina Sperrle's answer to your first > question. > > > 1.What is the source of the Russian custom of commemorating a death on the > > third, ninth, and fortieth days? > > 3rd day--Resurrection of Christ > 9th day-- appearance of Christ to His Apostles and Doubting Thomas > 40th day--Ascension of Christ > > The first full source of information about commemorating the dead > (pominovenie usopshikh) is perhaps Postanovleniia apostol'skiie. Interaction > (in quotation marks or without) between the living and dead is a big part of > the Orthodox Christian tradition and service. 3, 9, 40 days and the day of > death are the Christian days established for commemoration of the dead in > apx. 2-3rd centuries. The tradition of prayer for the dead on these days was > preserved in Eastern Orthodoxy, but not in the West. Thus in Eastern > Orthodoxy the living by their prayers can facilitate the soul's passage > through the toll-houses, while according to the Western traditions, the > souls of the dead are on their own. There are 20 toll-houses, and it can > take 40 days to get through. On the other hand liniar time does not > necessarily work here. > > Actually, days commemorating the dead are established in all spiritual > traditions, and very often they are the same. For the pagans, for example, > these numbers are 3, 7, 9, 20, 40, 70. Jews have 3, 7, 14, 30, 40. > (Khristianstvo, Entsiklopedicheskii slovar', M. 1995) This source also says > that 40th day was the most important. It also gives a reference to the > interpretation of an early Christian author, Nikifor Kallist and later on > Early Russian death bills (sinodiki). Thus the death bill of > Iosif-Volokolamsk monastery gives the following explanation: > on the 3rd day the face of the dead changes > on the 9th day the whole body (yet not heart) decomposes > on the 40th day the heart decomposes > It is very likely that the reference is to a mystical rather than physical > body. > In any case, I can hardly call the above an explanation. > > While Christina Sperrle's explanation of the symbolism of these numbers > coincides with the official Orthodox doctrine, there is also an esoteric > side to this story. After all, there are the same numbers in the Tibetan > "Book of the Dead." There we find references to 3 postmortem states of the > soul: that of the moment of death, of karmic haze, and of "awaiting the next > incarnation." As we know, the text of this book contains instructions about > how the soul is supposed to get through, which are read over the dead for 49 > days. In Eastern Orthodoxy the text of Psalter and prayers of the living > play the same role. They facilitate the passage of the soul to Heaven. 3, 9, > 40 are supposedly the most critical days on this path, so at those times > prayers of the living are of utmost importance. > > > 2. I am told that the association of 40 and the death commemoration has > had > > a negative effect on the celebration of one's 40th birthday in Russia. Is > > that association common? > > Never heard anything like that. 40 is a big number, "kruglaia data." If > anything, it's good. > > > 4. The Orthodox cross is sometimes seen with its base at the bottom of a > > semi-circle (crescent?, grail?). I have been told that the semi-circle > plus > > the cross represents Islamic Turkey and the Orthodox victory thereover; > and > > also I have been told that that explanation is ridiculous, that the > > semi-circle is a grail "graal'" to collect blood at the base of the cross. > > Is either explanation at least in the ball park? > You are quite right, it signifies Orthodoxy's triumph over Islam. > > Best, > Svitlana Kobets > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription > options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: > http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ################################################################## W. F. Ryan, MA, DPhil, FBA, FSA Warburg Institute (School of Advanced Study, University of London) Woburn Square, LONDON WC1H 0AB tel: 020 7862 8940 (direct) tel: 020 7862 8949 (switchboard) fax: 020 7862 8939 Institute Webpage http://www.sas.ac.uk/warburg/ ################################################################## ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Subhash.Jaireth at AGSO.GOV.AU Thu Sep 27 22:54:46 2001 From: Subhash.Jaireth at AGSO.GOV.AU (Subhash.Jaireth at AGSO.GOV.AU) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 08:54:46 +1000 Subject: The Idea of Europe in Russian Culture Message-ID: Dear Friends, In 1969, I went to Moscow as a student. The following ten years were spent their learning different things. When I returned to India, I realised that for my Indian friends going to Russia was not the same as going to Europe. Although Russia was/is in Europe (geographically and to some extent historically) it is still not Europe. Reading Blok, Mandelshtam, Herzen, Dostoevskii amongst others, I found the same ambivalence towards locating Europe in Russia. As if most Russian intellectuals were struggling to find the amount of Asia and Europe in Russia, and within this dichotomy Asia, in general was either trivialised, demonised or romanticised. I am in the process of exploring this question in some detail and I know amongst the Seelangers there would be many who would have thought about it. I would be grateful if they could share some insights. For starters I would appreciate one or two so called classical texts on the question, texts which put this question in historical context. The first paragraph of my message contains sweeping generalisations. Please excuse me for that. Thanks and best wishes Subhash ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From vbelyanin at MTU-NET.RU Thu Sep 27 23:58:31 2001 From: vbelyanin at MTU-NET.RU (Valery Belyanin) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 20:58:31 -0300 Subject: Difference in Russian and American perception Message-ID: Bonjour Seelangers, On Wednesday, 26-th a very good Russian newspaper "Moscow News" (2001 N 39) has published an interesting article on how some Russians negatively reacted on the well known events. (Vyacheslav Gurevich "Internet: Ours against "Americosos""). (There some quotations of obscenic language, do not read if you think you may be hurt:) I wanted to put my observation of the same phenomena into words also, but I decided first to write on the perception of Americans first. And I meant that it is quite opposite than that of Russians (I have witnessed several acts of this kind in Moscow). Almost in every point. "Oryel plachet, no ne sdayetsa" such title was given to my article in the same issue: http://www.mn.ru/issue.php?2001-39-43 All comments and criticism are welcome (off-list). Truly Yours, Dr. Val Belyanin Professor of Russian, Moscow State University ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mhoogen at HOME.COM Fri Sep 28 01:05:10 2001 From: mhoogen at HOME.COM (hoogen) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 18:05:10 -0700 Subject: Yarillo spring festival Message-ID: Dear Mary Delle, There has been a good deal written about the folk sources for Stravinsky's music for the rite, and considerable speculation about the folkloric sources for the libretto as well. However, I suggest you take a look at my dissertation, _Igor Stravinsky, Nikolai Roerich and the Healing Power of Paganism. The Rite of Spring as ecstatic Ritual of Renewal for the Twentieth Century_ (University of Washington, 1997). In this work I explore the cultural context in which Roerich and Stravinsky worked. I believe that Roerich had a more influential role in the project than is generally acknowledged. I also believe that Stravinsky was more of a willing participant in this recreation of an ecstatic ritual than he acknowledged in later years. During the early twentieth century the Russian creative intelligentsia saw art as a way to reconcile the material and spiritual worlds--a union that had been fragmented by rational philosophy and empirical science. In this cultural context, The Rite of Spring can be seen as a mysterium for the twentieth century: it is a grand synthesis of music, design, and dance as an enactment of a sacred mystery that will reveal to the participants the nature of the human spirit and its relation to both the earthly and higher spiritual worlds. Identifying folk sources, therefore, gives only part of the larger picture. Marilyn Hoogen, Ph.D. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From marydelle at EARTHLINK.NET Fri Sep 28 01:39:16 2001 From: marydelle at EARTHLINK.NET (Mary Delle LeBeau) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 18:39:16 -0700 Subject: Yarillo spring festival In-Reply-To: <005e01c147b9$9fb44d40$0300a8c0@geminimedia.com> Message-ID: Dear Marilyn, Sounds very interesting!! How do I go about getting a copy of your dissertation. Yours, Mary Delle On 27 Sep 2001, at 18:05, hoogen wrote: > Dear Mary Delle, > There has been a good deal written about the folk sources for > Stravinsky's music for the rite, and considerable speculation about the > folkloric sources for the libretto as well. > However, I suggest you take a look at my dissertation, _Igor Stravinsky, > Nikolai Roerich and the Healing Power of Paganism. The Rite of Spring as > ecstatic Ritual of Renewal for the Twentieth Century_ (University of > Washington, 1997). In this work I explore the cultural context in which > Roerich and Stravinsky worked. I believe that Roerich had a more > influential role in the project than is generally acknowledged. I also > believe that Stravinsky was more of a willing participant in this recreation > of an ecstatic ritual than he acknowledged in later years. During the early > twentieth century the Russian creative intelligentsia saw art as a way to > reconcile the material and spiritual worlds--a union that had been > fragmented by rational philosophy and empirical science. In this cultural > context, The Rite of Spring can be seen as a mysterium for the twentieth > century: it is a grand synthesis of music, design, and dance as an > enactment of a sacred mystery that will reveal to the participants the > nature of the human spirit and its relation to both the earthly and higher > spiritual worlds. Identifying folk sources, therefore, gives only part of > the larger picture. > Marilyn Hoogen, Ph.D. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription > options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: > http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Mourka1 at AOL.COM Fri Sep 28 01:39:26 2001 From: Mourka1 at AOL.COM (Mourka1 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 21:39:26 EDT Subject: Mary Delle Le Beau Message-ID: Dear Mary Delle, Contact Mourka off list at mourka1 at aol.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From marydelle at EARTHLINK.NET Fri Sep 28 01:59:07 2001 From: marydelle at EARTHLINK.NET (Mary Delle LeBeau) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 18:59:07 -0700 Subject: Yarillo spring festival In-Reply-To: <3BB37254.26583.A9A03@localhost> Message-ID: Now, I've done it. Pushed the reply button rather than pasting in the name of the sender. So sorry to have this appear on the listing. Mary Delle On 27 Sep 2001, at 18:39, Mary Delle LeBeau wrote: > Dear Marilyn, > > Sounds very interesting!! How do I go about getting a copy of your > dissertation. > > Yours, > > Mary Delle > > On 27 Sep 2001, at 18:05, hoogen wrote: > > > Dear Mary Delle, > > There has been a good deal written about the folk sources for > > Stravinsky's music for the rite, and considerable speculation about the > > folkloric sources for the libretto as well. > > However, I suggest you take a look at my dissertation, _Igor Stravinsky, > > Nikolai Roerich and the Healing Power of Paganism. The Rite of Spring as > > ecstatic Ritual of Renewal for the Twentieth Century_ (University of > > Washington, 1997). In this work I explore the cultural context in which > > Roerich and Stravinsky worked. I believe that Roerich had a more > > influential role in the project than is generally acknowledged. I also > > believe that Stravinsky was more of a willing participant in this recreation > > of an ecstatic ritual than he acknowledged in later years. During the early > > twentieth century the Russian creative intelligentsia saw art as a way to > > reconcile the material and spiritual worlds--a union that had been > > fragmented by rational philosophy and empirical science. In this cultural > > context, The Rite of Spring can be seen as a mysterium for the twentieth > > century: it is a grand synthesis of music, design, and dance as an > > enactment of a sacred mystery that will reveal to the participants the > > nature of the human spirit and its relation to both the earthly and higher > > spiritual worlds. Identifying folk sources, therefore, gives only part of > > the larger picture. > > Marilyn Hoogen, Ph.D. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription > > options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: > > http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription > options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: > http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From goscilo+ at PITT.EDU Fri Sep 28 05:01:41 2001 From: goscilo+ at PITT.EDU (Helena Goscilo) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 01:01:41 -0400 Subject: apartment query In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, Does anyone know of a three-room apartment (or of any individual who could possibly make such an apartment available) in the Kitai-Gorod section of Moscow from January to June of 2002? If so, I would appreciate receiving the relevant information sent to my e-mail, not the SEELANGS, address. Thanks in advance, Helena Goscilo ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From gladney at UX6.CSO.UIUC.EDU Fri Sep 28 14:23:39 2001 From: gladney at UX6.CSO.UIUC.EDU (gladney frank y) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:23:39 -0500 Subject: Husitska pisen In-Reply-To: <200109280355.f8S3tSf29764@ux6.cso.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: Can anyone tell me where I can hear a chorus singing "Kdoz jsou bozi bojovnici", the Husite hymn? Frank Y. Gladney ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From svitlana at TUCOWS.COM Fri Sep 28 16:43:42 2001 From: svitlana at TUCOWS.COM (Svitlana Kobets) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:43:42 -0400 Subject: Nine, forty, crescent/cross Message-ID: Dear all, I would like to make some corrections to what I wrote previously and also to share some additional information. First of all, both Eastern and Western Christianities certainly share the tradition of commemorative prayer for the dead, which was established by the beginning of the 3rd century AD and is an integral part of the liturgical services of both Churches. Yet, according to Khristianstvo, entsiklopedicheskii slovar' (Pominovenie usopshikh, v. 2, p. 364-365) the importance of commemorative prayer is supposed to be much more emphasized in Eastern Orthodoxy than in Catholicism. This fact is explained by the existence in the Catholic tradition of the teachings about Purgatory. This article says that Ioann Kotelerii wrote on the subject and concluded that only Eastern Orthodox Church preserved this tradition in its original form, while Catholicism lost track of many commemorative days. It's certainly, a very preliminary observation, to know more about the subject one would need to do much more research. I think, Catholic and Orthodox traditions simply differ in their form and content. Take, for example, the famous El dia de los muertos. Yesterday I forwarded Genevra's questions to my brother-in-law, an Orthodox priest from Kievan Patriarchy. For those who reads Ukrainian the original of his letter follows. Meanwhile, here is my translation of its gist: The tradition to offer commemorative prayers on the 3, 9, and 40th days can be traced to the text of "Mytarstva prepodobnoi Feodory" (St. Feodora's passing through the toll-houses), which can be found in the Life of St. Basil the New (Vasilii Novyi). Feodora's passage through the toll houses was seen in a vision (dream) by St. Basil's disciple, Gregory. On the 3rd day the soul departs to the other dimensions. On the 9th day the soul starts its passage through the toll houses. On the 40th day the soul stands before the Supreme Judge who decides its destiny i. e., where the soul will await the Final Judgement. Before the final Judgement the soul dwells either in the so-called pre-Paradise or pre-Hell. Those who petition for the deceased by their prayers do so a day before the important events of its passage. A propos the symbolism of 40. It signifies a period of time that changes the essence of a human being (a.go. Christ fasted for 40 days; it took Moses 40 years to bring his people to the Promised Land). The full version of my brother-in-law's letter follows. It's in Ukrainian. By the way, he is a scholar, a grad-student and an ABD at Kiev Spiritual Academy. 1.Вшанування на 3, 9, 40 дні після смерті, а вірніше молитва в ці дні за душу померлого, базується головним чином на «Митарствах преподобної Феодори». Вони запиписані в життєписі преп. Василія Нового. Його учень Григорій бачив у вісні митарства преп. Феодори. 3 день- відхід душі від землі і інші виміри; 9 день - початок проходження митарств, де злі та добрі ангели проаналізовують всі вчинки за земне життя; 40 день - день «особистого суду», тобто суду Божого, коли перед Богом стає душа померлого. На цьому суді визначається доля покійника до остаточного суду - Страшного (до Страшного суду душі перебувають в стані «передраю» або «передпекла»). Тому і моляться за покійника на один день вперед, щоб напередодні важливої для покійника події ублагати Господа бути до нього милостивим і простити його гріхи. Але загалом, вчення про ці три поминальні дні, за церковним Переданням, приписується апостолам. Взагалі це символічні дати, які вживали ще жиди в поминальній практиці до пришестя Христового. Третій день символізує воскресіння Христа на третій день, перебування Іони в утробі китовій, Тройцю і т.д. 9-й - причислення померлого до дев'яти чинів ангельських. 40-й - символізує певний період часу, який змінює людину (40 днів посту Христа в пустелі, 40 років блукання Ізраїлю по пустелі і т.д.). 2. Того, щоб напівмісяць під хрестом символізував тару для збору крови, я ще не чув (треба буде розказати друзям-попам). Насправді такі хрести з'ївилися на церковних банях (і тільки там) песля того як татаро-монголи залишили вспокої наші землі (друга половина 13ст.). Хрест стоїть на символі мусульнаства - півмісязі і символізує перемогу християнства над останнім (мається на увазі пермогу суто на теренах � усі). Такі хрести зустрічаються виключно у нас. My best, Svitlana ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From uhwm006 at SUN.RHUL.AC.UK Fri Sep 28 16:43:02 2001 From: uhwm006 at SUN.RHUL.AC.UK (Geoffrey Chew) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 17:43:02 +0100 Subject: Husitska pisen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, gladney frank y wrote: > Can anyone tell me where I can hear a chorus singing "Kdoz jsou bozi > bojovnici", the Husite hymn? As far as I know there's no current recording of the chant "Ktoz jsu bozi bojovnici" -- after all its post-Nejedly political connotations are not universally popular these days (see for example Igor Belza's book on Czech music, from the early 1950s, which makes it the "Marseillaise of the 15th century", the pre-eminent symbol of Czech revolutionary, anti-German aggressiveness). Ensembles like the Schola Gregoriana Pragensis tend to go for Catholic chants rather than Hussite ones -- see their CD "Anno Domini 997", with "Hospodine pomiluj ny" and others. But the melody is quoted in dramatic fashion in quite a number of Czech compositions from Smetana onwards -- it might be best to look there. Geoffrey Chew Music Department, Royal Holloway, University of London Internet: chew at sun.rhul.ac.uk Fax: 0870-131 6521 (UK) Fax: (240)209-1260 (USA) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Katkovski at OSI.HU Sat Sep 29 13:46:58 2001 From: Katkovski at OSI.HU (Vladimir Katkovski) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 15:46:58 +0200 Subject: concise russian grammar Message-ID: dear seelangers, maybe someone can direct me to a web page with a brief russian grammar description (something like 10-page article they include in berlitz guides or similar phrase books), just very basic realitevly short description. thanks a lot! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ewb2 at CORNELL.EDU Sun Sep 30 03:16:48 2001 From: ewb2 at CORNELL.EDU (ewb2 at CORNELL.EDU) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 23:16:48 -0400 Subject: birthday ditty In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, Jeff Holdeman wrote: > > Regarding the suggestion of "Karavai" by Edward Dumanis, in The > Russian's World, Genevra Gerhardt gives the text and instructions. > > Kak na Oliny imeniny > ispekli my karavai. > Vot takoi vyshiny, > vot takoi nizhiny > vot takoi shiriny > vot takoi uzhiny. > Karavai, karavai, kogo liubish, vybirai. > > -Ia liubliu ochen' vsekh, > a Mar'ianu bol'she vsekh. > > HOW TO PLAY: [...] If some reader has a group of children who can't manage to say "ispekli my karavai", here's an attempt at a translation that preserves the same rhythm and introduces only a minimum amount of otsebjatina. Try it and see if the kids accept it. Ol'ga had a birthday and we baked a birthday cake. Just as high as you see, just as low as you see, just as wide as you see, just as narrow as you see. Birthday cake, birthday cake, who do you like, who do you take? I like all in the hall but Marianna most of all. (Yes, I did change imeniny into birthday for the sake of North American children.) Have fun, Wayles Browne, Assoc. Prof. of Linguistics Department of Linguistics Morrill Hall 220, Cornell University Ithaca, New York 14853, U.S.A. tel. 607-255-0712 (o), 607-273-3009 (h) fax 607-255-2044 (write FOR W. BROWNE) e-mail ewb2 at cornell.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From young at UMBC.EDU Sun Sep 30 14:14:09 2001 From: young at UMBC.EDU (Steven Young) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 10:14:09 -0400 Subject: Call for Papers Message-ID: Call for Papers: 18th Conference on Baltic Studies, Johns Hopkins University (Homewood campus), Baltimore, MD, June 6-8, 2002. Conference theme: the Baltic States in the Era of Globalization. We invite proposals for papers concerning Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania, as well as the broader Baltic Sea region, in these areas: Aesthetics, Culture, & Communication; Business & Economics; Democratic Reform; Geography & Earth Sciences; History; Linguistics; Literature; Political Science; Psychology & Education; and Religion. The deadline for proposals has been extended to December 14th, 2001. Please direct inquiries to Steven Young, , 410-455-2117 (voice mail), and I will put you in touch with the appropriate Division Chair. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Use your web browser to search the archives, control your subscription options, and more. Visit and bookmark the SEELANGS Web Interface at: http://members.home.net/lists/seelangs/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------