From achekhov at UNITY.NCSU.EDU  Mon Dec  2 03:09:40 2002
From: achekhov at UNITY.NCSU.EDU (Vladimir Bilenkin)
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 22:09:40 -0500
Subject: Ay-y..looking for fellow panelists (sovrem. rus. lit. )
Message-ID: <SUN.1.DEC.2002.220940.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear colleagues,

I am looking for a couple of adventurous scholars who are interested in
what's been going on in rus lit under the new capitalist regime of literary
production
and cultural accumulation.  I have in mind broad issues like, for example the
restructuring of
the literary field, diverse manifestations of commodification and alienation  in
post-Soviet Russian literature,
the ideology of literature and the writer,  problems with transplanting late
bourgeois  ideology
into Russian literary tradition and the attendant attempts to "deconstruct"
classical and Soviet heritage. There is
also a kind of a black hole topic of cultural imperialism as a force shaping the
literary process in Russia.
Why, say, Pelevin is a part of respectable US scholarship while the name of
Iurii Polyakov is not even mentioned
in the MLA Bibliography? Why certain contemporary Russian authors get studied,
translated, published and reviewed in the West
while other contemporary authors do not?  How this selectivity of imperial
academe may or may not inspire the genius of
rus lit today?  In short, there is a whole new "virgin land" to plow for
theoretically and socially conscious scholars.

With three of us our clandestine cell can take a form of a "panel" at the 2003
meeting of the SOUTHERN
CONFERENCE ON SLAVIC STUDIES, scheduled to take place in Savannah, Georgia
on March 27-30, 2003.  The host hotel is DeSoto Hilton which offers the
proletarian rate
of $139.00 a night, single or double occupancy.  In addition, I'll buy drinks
before and after the "panel."

(This is NOT some kind of a Halloween prank, I am as serious as the management
of the DeSoto Hilton)

Please respond privately.  Panel and paper proposals (brief abstracts and 1-pg.
c.v.'s) are due by 1 December 2002.
Doklady na russkom privetstvuiutsia!

Vladimir Bilenkin,
Professor of Russian,
Department of Foreign Languages and Literatures,
Box 8106,
North Carolina State University,
Raleigh, NC, 27695-8106
Tel.: 919-515-9316
Email: achekhov at unity.ncsu.edu

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From burilkovova at HOTMAIL.COM  Mon Dec  2 03:04:55 2002
From: burilkovova at HOTMAIL.COM (Michaela Burilkovova)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 04:04:55 +0100
Subject: translation fees
Message-ID: <MON.2.DEC.2002.040455.0100.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Hi,

     I would like to enquire what are the customary fees per page in the US
for translations from English to Slavic languages and vice versa. Please
reply off list.

     Many thanks, Michaela
____________________________________________________
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e-mail: burilkovova at hotmail.com

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From zielinski at ECONOPHONE.CH  Mon Dec  2 12:43:37 2002
From: zielinski at ECONOPHONE.CH (Zielinski)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:43:37 +0100
Subject: translation fees
Message-ID: <MON.2.DEC.2002.134337.0100.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michaela Burilkovova" <burilkovova at HOTMAIL.COM>
To: <SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 4:04 AM
Subject: [SEELANGS] translation fees


> Hi,
>
>      I would like to enquire what are the customary fees per page in the
US
> for translations from English to Slavic languages and vice versa. Please
> reply off list.

Could you share the knowledge with the list as I am sure this will be of
interest to many people?
Jan Zielinski

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From mdenner at STETSON.EDU  Mon Dec  2 17:36:39 2002
From: mdenner at STETSON.EDU (Michael Denner)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:36:39 -0500
Subject: Children's Books of the Early Soviet Era
Message-ID: <MON.2.DEC.2002.123639.0500.>

Children's Books of the Early Soviet Era
Includes historical discussions and high-quality images of
book covers. Browsable by major topics, such as Revolution
and Industry, Women, and Agit-prop. From McGill University
Libraries, Montreal, Canada. Some portions also in French.
http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/russian/

<><><><><><><><><><><><>
Michael A. Denner
Russian Studies Program
Stetson University
Campus Box 8361
DeLand, FL 32724
386.822.7381
http://www.stetson.edu/organizations/russian_club/mypage.htm

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From norafavorov at EARTHLINK.NET  Mon Dec  2 21:15:06 2002
From: norafavorov at EARTHLINK.NET (Nora Favorov)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:15:06 -0500
Subject: translation fees
Message-ID: <MON.2.DEC.2002.161506.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Unfortunately, an open discussion on this topic is considered a form of
price fixing.  In the past the FTC has taken steps to punish those involved
in such discussions in translation forums.  I'm a bit hazy on the details,
but felt I should pass along the warning.
Best wishes, Nora Favorov
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zielinski" <zielinski at ECONOPHONE.CH>
To: <SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] translation fees


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michaela Burilkovova" <burilkovova at HOTMAIL.COM>
> To: <SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
> Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 4:04 AM
> Subject: [SEELANGS] translation fees
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> >      I would like to enquire what are the customary fees per page in the
> US
> > for translations from English to Slavic languages and vice versa. Please
> > reply off list.
>
> Could you share the knowledge with the list as I am sure this will be of
> interest to many people?
> Jan Zielinski
>
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From ggerhart at ATTBI.COM  Mon Dec  2 21:26:51 2002
From: ggerhart at ATTBI.COM (Genevra Gerhart)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:26:51 -0800
Subject: translation fees
In-Reply-To: <003501c29a47$e4084d20$3ddcfea9@a6e9r7>
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It is surely not price fixing if a range can be suggested.  Is the minimum
wage considered price fixing?

Genevra Gerhart

http://www.GenevraGerhart.com

ggerhart at attbi.com
(206) 329-0053

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From paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM  Mon Dec  2 22:35:04 2002
From: paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM (Paul B. Gallagher)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:35:04 -0500
Subject: translation fees
Message-ID: <MON.2.DEC.2002.173504.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Genevra Gerhart wrote:

> It is surely not price fixing if a range can be suggested.  Is the minimum
> wage considered price fixing?

There's a lot of paranoia within the ATA about this, and the Association
has done much to promote it over the years. Their view is that if they
go overboard, they cannot be accused of complicity.

As a practical matter, I don't think anyone on this list has the
reputation and the clout to move the market even if he wanted to, but
your attorney may differ with this unofficial, illegal, er, nonlegal
opinion. ;-)

Surely the FTC has bigger fish to fry? (don't quote me on that, I don't
want John Poindexter and John Ashcroft going through my drawers looking
for evidence)

--
War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left.
--
Paul B. Gallagher
pbg translations, inc.
"Russian Translations That Read Like Originals"
http://pbg-translations.com

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From tritt002 at MAROON.TC.UMN.EDU  Tue Dec  3 00:06:38 2002
From: tritt002 at MAROON.TC.UMN.EDU (Michael Trittipo)
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:06:38 -0600
Subject: translation fees
In-Reply-To: <NDBBICAECLMOBBHNIGOOAEMDDCAA.ggerhart@attbi.com>
Message-ID: <MON.2.DEC.2002.180638.0600.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

>
>
>>It is surely not price fixing if a range can be suggested.  . . ..
>>
>
>As a practical matter, I don't think anyone on this list has the
>reputation and the clout to move the market . . ..
>
>Surely the FTC has bigger fish to fry? (don't quote me on that, I don't
>want John Poindexter and John Ashcroft . . ..
>
First three short comments, one for each of the three quoted paragraphs.
 Re (1), actually, yes,  price-fixing can consist as much in suggesting
a range to stay within as in  specifying an absolute floor or a ceiling.
Re (2), the issue under the law is price-fixing, not market power.  Even
two individuals with two hundred thousand bigger and better-financed
competitors are prohibited from agreeing on what minimum price, or range
of prices, the two will charge.  Re (3), the parenthetical is the
better-reasoned part.  Perhaps one would stay below someone's radar --
or maybe not.

On the more general question, can competitors who happen to be on a list
like SEELANGS talk about prices or price ranges to possible entrants
into their field without breaking price-fixing laws?  Yes, it is
theoretically *possible* -- even for competitors -- to talk about
prices, without violating the price-fixing laws.  Will all talk about
prices be safe against claims that it is price-fixing?  No.

Mere disclosure of one's recent rates to competitors or potential
competitors, without more, is not in itself illegal price-fixing.  To
talk about prices is not automatically to agree on prices.  Without some
kind of agreement, there is not a "contract, combination . . ., or
conspiracy in restraint of trade or commerce," 15 U.S.C.  1, which is
what the law prohibits.

However, it is not enough to know subjectively that one has not made an
agreement.  The "facts" one needs to be concerned about are not the
facts as one knows them in one's heart to be, but the facts as one's
worst enemy (a zealous prosecutor, say, to whom someone who harbors a
secret grudge against you forwarded an e-mail message) might paint them
to be.

Thus, careless wording, or the context, could let a fact-finder decide
that a tacit agreement existed between two competitors about the usual
price or range to ask (or maximum to pay, if they're competing potential
buyers).  That is all that is needed to make those two liable for
price-fixing.  The agreement doesn't have to be explicit; it doesn't
even have to be enforceable as a contract.

So as a practical matter, one should be not lean too heavily on the
assurance that mere discussion of rates, without more, is not in and of
itself illegal price-fixing.  The risk of "more" being found is seldom
zero.  All speech acts occur in a context, and if a fact-finder or an
over-zealous prosecutor decided the context was different from what you
thought it was, things could go bad.

That's an overview.  I've written at more length (some would say boring,
lawyerly length) about these issues elsewhere, with citations to caselaw
and statutes.  But for the time being, I hope that the above unsupported
statements suffice.  Because of the answer to quoted paragraph two at
the outset, I'm certainly not going to get into such side issues as the
existence of both possible buyers and sellers on SEELANGS or the like.
 Price-fixing by two buyers is as illegal as by two sellers; and it only
takes two whom a jury thinks are competitors to agree, even if all other
list members are non-competitors.

Because the penalties for being found guilty of price-fixing can be
severe, and because exchanges of pricing information may be seen as
evidence of agreement to act on the information, most lawyers probably
tell clients "just don't exchange price information with competitors --
just don't, period."  You won't get any different advice from me; but I
think that there's some merit in distinguishing "don't even think about
it--it'll be almost impossible for you to control your risk" from "as an
objective matter, the mere mention of prices if there's even one
competitor around is always in and of itself illegal."

Advice on generalized methods of determining price ranges for services
(or products not made by machine) is easy to find. Generally, the idea
is to begin with the idea that one's time and production capacity are
limited, and in many fields not "leveragable."

Thus, one can produce only so many words, pages, widgets or thingamabobs
in an hour or a day (or other time period). Not all hours or days are
available for production. Besides eating and sleeping time, there are
family and friends, there's need for exercise and a break, etc. Then
there's non-productive time (overhead time) doing marketing, finding
possible clients, providing quotes or dealing with billing, collection,
etc. One may be sick some times, or want to take weekends or holidays off.

A person who thought she could work 12 hours a day, being productive 10
of those, and would be sick only 2 days a year and could skip vacations,
perhaps taking off 1/2 day a week, might estimate having 3000 productive
hours available. Someone who figured on taking the equivalent of all
legal holidays an employer would provide, plus a couple of weeks or more
vacation, plus might be sick 10 days a year, and who could be productive
for six hours a day (the other two being overhead, research, etc.) might
estimate having only 1100 hours available.

Those are a couple of possible calculations on the time side -- and
easily convertible into words per hour, "standard" or "normal" pages per
hours, widgets per day, or thingamabobs per week. The conversion from
hours to words or widgets will vary from one person to another, and may
vary according to factors relating to different classifications or
quality of the words or widgets.

On the other side, how much money is desired or needed may vary a lot.
One person may think only of how much he needs to survive on a
low-calorie diet and low-cost housing for the next year. Another may
remember that some percent of all income will go to taxes, so not all
income will be prudently spendable on food or housing; and may remember
that besides taxes and living expenses immediately, there can be desires
for  savings accounts, retirement planning, college or other school for
the kids, insurance or other protection against disability, periodic
interest in replacing chairs, desks, computers, etc., etc., etc. Yet
someone else will decide that yes, someday he or she may need to think
about retirement and kids' college, but not right now, right now s|he
can live on peanuts, and in any event the value of the experience is
worth selling low. Some people want or need the latest computers and
$200+ Kinesis keyboards; others feel OK with a $10 throwaway and Xywrite
on DOS, or a typewriter.

Dividing high income by low time-equivalent in words or doohickies gives
one figure; diving low income needs by high time-equivalent production
gives another. I call them figures, because they aren't limits or
bounds: how high is high or low is low?  Moreover, nothing guarantees
any seller against occasional pressure to sell at a non-sustainable
figure, and buyers could in theory pay more or less than a theoretical
upper bound.  It could also depend on who one's most likely buyers are
and where they're located, and what the economy in their country(ies) or
industry(ies) is like.  A Hollywood studio might well pay more for a
translation of some movie script on spec, than a Kazakh engineering firm
might be able to pay for something technical.  In some sense, one's not
even determining what price one can or should ask, so much as one's
determining whether and under what conditions (tolerable over time or
not) one can (free choice of verb): [be very happy][succeed well enough
financially][afford to be][survive] in a particular business with
particular customers and competition.

Hope this helps.

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From rrobin at GWU.EDU  Tue Dec  3 14:02:18 2002
From: rrobin at GWU.EDU (Richard Robin)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:02:18 -0500
Subject: translation fees
Message-ID: <TUE.3.DEC.2002.090218.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Seelangers,

I find the cloak-and-dagger bit surrounding translation costs a bit
mystifying. The most cursory Google search (Russian + translation + price)
turned up dozens of pages for English-Russian/Russian-English translators
with price lists. I followed usable links on the first two pages. I suppose
that someone will scream if I actually repeat the openly advertised pricing
that I saw. After all, translation terrorists may be monitoring the list.
You can do the Google search yourself.

However, this discussion does bring a few absurd questions to mind.

· Do translators who advertise their prices, thus revealing them to
competitors, violate FTC rules? (Obviously, the FTC has no pull over .ru
sites - or even the one .uk site I saw.)
· Is a public discussion on fees by non-translators in the spirit of "Here
are the kinds fees I have heard bandied about:" an FTC violation?
· Given the easy globalization that the Internet makes possible (most of the
sites I found are either based abroad or have links to Russian translation
mills), is a SEELANGS discussion of fees vs. issues of quality (especially
concerning translation into English) not warranted? Would that also be a
violation of FTC rules?
· Our department has on its website a list of tutors with a non-endorsement
disclaimer. We tell potential clients that tutoring rates in the local area
run between $x and $y (Would it be an FTC violation for me to quote the
actual figures?) per hour depending on lots of factors. Is our website
engaged in price fixing? If so, then are Click and Clack of Car Talk (who
actually run a car repair shop) in violation when they tell their radio
audience "A repair like that should run you about $x?
· I subscribe to a local neighborhood e-list. ("How much should I expect to
pay to have my house re-refoofed?", etc.) Are the list members violating FTC
rules by repeating on the list rates that they have been charged? Would a
repair person living in the neighborhood face a summons if he or she
responded, "A job like that runs $x"?

I realize that many translators subscribe to SEELANGS, which makes it very
different from a neighborhood e-list. But as a non-translator (as I suspect
most SEELANGers are), I find the topic of fees for an activity so easily
subject to the winds of globalization a fascinating one. I find it hard to
believe that the FTC would consider such a discussion price fixing. Of
course, the ATA couldn't possibly be to joyful about the implications of
such a discussion - not because of fears about fixing prices, but because of
the potential for falling prices.

Rich Robin

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From tritt002 at MAROON.TC.UMN.EDU  Tue Dec  3 15:17:17 2002
From: tritt002 at MAROON.TC.UMN.EDU (Michael Trittipo)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:17:17 -0600
Subject: translation fees
In-Reply-To: <NDBBICAECLMOBBHNIGOOAEMDDCAA.ggerhart@attbi.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.3.DEC.2002.091717.0600.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

>
>
>that someone will scream if I actually repeat the openly advertised pricing
>· Do translators who advertise their prices, thus revealing them to
>competitors, violate FTC rules?
>
No, because advertising isn't discussion.  It's unilateral, not
multilateral.

> (Obviously, the FTC has no pull over .ru
>sites - or even the one .uk site I saw.)
>
True, although European Union law on price-fixing is much the same, at
least as I read the EU texts and French judgments based on and applying
the French implementation of EU antitrust law requirements.  I don't
know Russian law, and haven't checked UK decisions.  Czech law, which I
have read a bit of, has language susceptible of supporting the same
results, but I don't know of decisions applying it.  (There may be; I
just don't know of them.)

>· Is a public discussion on fees by non-translators in the spirit of "Here
>are the kinds fees I have heard bandied about:" an FTC violation?
>
No comment -- any lawyer you'd ask would have some additional questions,
e.g., about whether the non-translators are potential buyers, whether
the context might indicate a possible tacit encouragement or pressure
for the common good of buyers to say "pay no more than this," etc.

>. . . is a SEELANGS discussion of fees vs. issues of quality . . . not warranted? Would that also be a
>violation of FTC rules?
>
What's warranted or not on SEELANGS is, imo, for the listowner to
decide.  I'm sure he has access to competent legal counsel at CUNY.

>. . . not because of fears about fixing prices, but because of
>the potential for falling prices.
>
>
Ah, that's just the rub, though.  Any context of falling prices gives a
prosecutor grounds for asking a jury to believe that at least two
discussants' motive was to urge unity or cooperation among themselves to
prevent the prices from falling too low.  Both the U.S. and the French
courts have rejected a defense that "but Your Honor, we were only trying
to forestall the social ills of ruinous competition and a race to the
bottom."

With that I'll stop.  There's no one here, I imagine, who doesn't have
access to University counsel or for that matter private counsel if he or
she really wants or feels a need for advice.  So there's no need for any
advice from me.  But, so this doesn't all stay in the realm of "he said,
she said," I can give a URL to each of two separate drafts that I once
wrote for another list of some *background* information about U.S. (and
to a certain extent, French) law in the area.  There are two, because
I've never had a reason to take time to consolidate the two rough drafts
into a single article and take it beyond a draft stage.  I'll leave them
up for eight hours today, until 5 p.m. CST, at
http://ns1.statebar.gen.mn.us/xlprf2.htm (a bit less rough, and with
more info on French law -- though the list of bar associations that got
hit with fines, and the total, is by now a couple of years out of date.
 Lots more French lawyers and others have learned in the past couple of
years about bites to French competition law that they used to think were
true only in the U.S.) and http://ns1.statebar.gen.mn.us/xlprf1.htm
(from which draft I copied the initial paragraphs for my post yesterday).
.
Having now written twice on this topic, I'll bow out and post no more on
this topic.  Moreover, I joined this list as many no doubt did, to talk
about Slavic (or other East European) languages and literature -- not
about law.  One of the things I like about the list is how on-topic it
stays.  I apologize in adance for having posted this second message
off-topic, and will cease now.

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From tritt002 at MAROON.TC.UMN.EDU  Tue Dec  3 15:52:22 2002
From: tritt002 at MAROON.TC.UMN.EDU (Michael Trittipo)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:52:22 -0600
Subject: translation fees
In-Reply-To: <NDBBICAECLMOBBHNIGOOAEMDDCAA.ggerhart@attbi.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.3.DEC.2002.095222.0600.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

> http://ns1.statebar.gen.mn.us/search/xlprf2.htm

> http://ns1.statebar.gen.mn.us/search/xlprf1.htm

The URL needs to include the search/ folder.  Sorry.

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From vbelyanin at MTU.RU  Tue Dec  3 15:43:54 2002
From: vbelyanin at MTU.RU (Belianine Valeri)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:43:54 -0500
Subject: A review of AAAS 2002
Message-ID: <TUE.3.DEC.2002.104354.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELANGers!
At the AAASS Annual Meeting of the members,
I heard many words encouraging members to draw the attention
of public and press to the events like National Convention.
I was impressed by the Convention and did my best
to make a review of some of the speeches.
I have visited only  a small part of the conference
and tried to say about what I heard myself.
You may have a look at my short glance at the Convention
in one of the best newspapers published abroad
"Yonge Street Review"
at http://www.newcanada.com/199/belyanin.htm
(I was given 40 minutes for the space of 300 words)
However, the longer version is published on my web site:
http://www.textology.ru/public/slav2000.html
Feedback is welcome, but do not shoot at the pianist :)

Valery Belianine, editor of www.textology.ru
Also to subscribe for Textology-News please visit
http://hawk.irex.ru/mailman/listinfo/textology-news

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From pscotto at MTHOLYOKE.EDU  Tue Dec  3 17:02:57 2002
From: pscotto at MTHOLYOKE.EDU (pjs)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:02:57 -0500
Subject: Good Translation of _Odin den'...
Message-ID: <TUE.3.DEC.2002.120257.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Can anyone out there recommend of good translation of _Ivan Denisovich_?

I'm doing a 20th-century course and would like to read it with my
students.


Peter Scotto
Department of Russian
Mount Holyoke College

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From svitlana at 411.CA  Tue Dec  3 17:17:56 2002
From: svitlana at 411.CA (Svitlana Kobets)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:17:56 -0500
Subject: share hotel at 2002 AATSEEL Convention
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Dear Colleagues,

I am looking for a female to share a room in the Marriott Hotel (or any
other MLA hotel) at the upcoming AATSEEL Convention in NY.
Please contact me off-list,
Sincerely,
Svitlana Kobets

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From rkreuzer at STLAWU.EDU  Tue Dec  3 18:43:41 2002
From: rkreuzer at STLAWU.EDU (Ruth Kreuzer)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 13:43:41 -0500
Subject: New PowerPoint 2000 tool
Message-ID: <TUE.3.DEC.2002.134341.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

    I just downloaded a new (to me) free tool for PowerPoint 2000 which
I
think is  absolutely great!  The site to go to is:
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The tool "enables you to transform photographs into polished photo album

presentations. Use it to create a slide show or share your  images over
the Web."  You just start up the tool...go to the folder (digital camera
or scanner)
with the pictures you want to put into a PowerPoint, select your
pictures (ctrl + click on the ones you want) then hit the "insert"
button and then the
whole presentation--one picture per slide (or more if you wish)--gets
done in an instant!  Try it.
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From svitlana at 411.CA  Tue Dec  3 19:26:45 2002
From: svitlana at 411.CA (Svitlana Kobets)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:26:45 -0500
Subject: Good Translation of _Odin den'...
Message-ID: <TUE.3.DEC.2002.142645.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Peter,
I found a translation by H. T. Willetts (2001) better than the one by Marvin
L. Kalb (1963).
You can also check Klimoff's collection of critical essays about "One Day"
and see which translation is preferred by most of the scholars.
Klimoff, Alexis. "The Sober Eye: Ivan Denisovich and the Peasant
Perspective." One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich: A Critical Companion.
Ed. Alexis Klimoff. Evanston: Northwestern UP, 1997.
Good luck,
Svitlana Kobets

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> Can anyone out there recommend of good translation of _Ivan Denisovich_?
>
> I'm doing a 20th-century course and would like to read it with my
> students.
>
>
> Peter Scotto
> Department of Russian
> Mount Holyoke College
>
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From kalbj at GWM.SC.EDU  Tue Dec  3 19:41:52 2002
From: kalbj at GWM.SC.EDU (Judith E Kalb)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:41:52 -0500
Subject: Good Translation of _Odin den'...
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Dear colleagues,
A quick correction to Professor Kobets's email: the 1963 translation was by
Ralph Parker.  Kalb provided the introduction (he was also instrumental in
getting this work published in the US).  The introduction, which I just
shared with my students as this edition is not readily available, provides
an intriguing glimpse into the period when this book came out, from the
perspective of a Russian-speaking American journalist then posted in
Moscow.  It's worth noting re translations that the Willetts translation is
more complete and perhaps provides a better feel for the language of the
original.
Best wishes,
Judith Kalb

At 02:26 PM 12/3/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>Dear Peter,
>I found a translation by H. T. Willetts (2001) better than the one by Marvin
>L. Kalb (1963).
>You can also check Klimoff's collection of critical essays about "One Day"
>and see which translation is preferred by most of the scholars.
>Klimoff, Alexis. "The Sober Eye: Ivan Denisovich and the Peasant
>Perspective." One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich: A Critical Companion.
>Ed. Alexis Klimoff. Evanston: Northwestern UP, 1997.
>Good luck,
>Svitlana Kobets
>





Dr. Judith E. Kalb
Assistant Professor of Russian and Comparative Literature
Director of the Russian Program
Languages, Literatures, and Cultures
University of South Carolina
Columbia, SC 29208
phone: (803) 777-9615
e-mail: jkalb at sc.edu

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From svitlana at 411.CA  Tue Dec  3 20:35:54 2002
From: svitlana at 411.CA (Svitlana Kobets)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 15:35:54 -0500
Subject: Good Translation of _Odin den'...
Message-ID: <TUE.3.DEC.2002.153554.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Professor Kalb,
Thank you very much for your correction!
Best wishes,
Svitlana Kobets

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Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] Good Translation of _Odin den'...


> Dear colleagues,
> A quick correction to Professor Kobets's email: the 1963 translation was
by
> Ralph Parker.  Kalb provided the introduction (he was also instrumental in
> getting this work published in the US).  The introduction, which I just
> shared with my students as this edition is not readily available, provides
> an intriguing glimpse into the period when this book came out, from the
> perspective of a Russian-speaking American journalist then posted in
> Moscow.  It's worth noting re translations that the Willetts translation
is
> more complete and perhaps provides a better feel for the language of the
> original.
> Best wishes,
> Judith Kalb
>
> At 02:26 PM 12/3/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> >Dear Peter,
> >I found a translation by H. T. Willetts (2001) better than the one by
Marvin
> >L. Kalb (1963).
> >You can also check Klimoff's collection of critical essays about "One
Day"
> >and see which translation is preferred by most of the scholars.
> >Klimoff, Alexis. "The Sober Eye: Ivan Denisovich and the Peasant
> >Perspective." One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich: A Critical
Companion.
> >Ed. Alexis Klimoff. Evanston: Northwestern UP, 1997.
> >Good luck,
> >Svitlana Kobets
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Dr. Judith E. Kalb
> Assistant Professor of Russian and Comparative Literature
> Director of the Russian Program
> Languages, Literatures, and Cultures
> University of South Carolina
> Columbia, SC 29208
> phone: (803) 777-9615
> e-mail: jkalb at sc.edu
>
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From gribble.3 at OSU.EDU  Wed Dec  4 00:53:05 2002
From: gribble.3 at OSU.EDU (Charles Gribble)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:53:05 -0500
Subject: financial aid
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The Department of Slavic and East European Languages and Literatures at The
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From danijela.matkovic at YALE.EDU  Wed Dec  4 01:53:45 2002
From: danijela.matkovic at YALE.EDU (Danijela Matkovic True)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:53:45 -0500
Subject: AAASS 2003
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Dear all,
I am a Ph.D. student at the Slavic Department / Yale University and
interested in joining / co-organizing a panel at the AAASS 2003 conference
in Toronto.
I would like to present a paper on L. Lipavsky's "Razgovory", a
documentation of conversations, which have taken place among members of the
group "Chinari" during the years 1933/34.
Due to the group's exclusion from the official discourse, the members
cultivated a peculiar practice of conversation / dialog. The paper is an
attempt to analyze and contextualize the particularities of these
discursive strategies.
All responses are appreciated.
Sincerely, Danijela

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From mp at MIPCO.COM  Wed Dec  4 02:21:38 2002
From: mp at MIPCO.COM (Michael Peltsman)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:21:38 -0600
Subject: Pushkin's Secret Journal in Bulgaria
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From billings at NCNU.EDU.TW  Wed Dec  4 04:18:36 2002
From: billings at NCNU.EDU.TW (Loren A. Billings)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:18:36 +0800
Subject: Fwd (from Linguist 13-3170) Albanian, Greek contact
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Date:  Tue, 03 Dec 2002 01:08:58 +0000
From:  Alexander Rusakov <rusakov at AR2015.spb.edu>
Subject:  Tsitsipis (1998) Arvanitika (Albanian) and Greek in Contact

Tsitsipis, Lukas D. (1998)
A Linguistic Anthropology of Praxis and Language Shift:
Arvanitika (Albanian) and Greek in Contact.
Oxford University Press, xii+163pp, hardback ISBN 0-19-823731-6,
Oxford Studies in Language Contact.

Book Announcement on Linguist:
http://linguistlist.org/get-book.html?BookID=959


Alexander Yu. Rusakov, St. Petersburg State University

OVERVIEW

The book is devoted to the problems of language shift on the example
of Arvanitika, a variety of Tosk Albanian spoken in Greece for more
than four centuries'' (1). The material for the study was gathered
through a fieldwork in two Albanian-speaking communities - Kiriaki in
Biotia and Spata near Athens. The basic concern of the author is,
however, theoretical - he aims at revealing the patterns of
correlation between language shift and a number of sociolinguistic,
pragmatic, ethno- historical and ideological factors; in this respect,
the views of Nancy Dorian and Susanne Hill are explicitly acknowledged
as theoretically crucial for the author. Along with the theoretical
issues, the very linguistic data are definitely of great interest -
although Arvanitika has been linguistically studied for more than 150,
and a number of renowned linguists have contributed to that study
(Reinhold 1855; Meyer 1896; Weigand 1926; Phourikis 1932-33; Haebler
1965; Hamp 1961; et al.; from sociolinguistic point of view: Trudgill
1978; Trudgill & Tzavaras 1977), Arvanitika is not yet adequately
described in all its versatility, and there is a visible shortage of
available dialectal texts, and contemporary ones in the first
place. However, this dialect is crucial for the understanding of some
processes in the history of Albanian in general (Hamp 1961 et al.;
Joseph 1999). In this respect, the book under review is not only
useful for the study of sociolinguistics, language contacts and
linguistic ecology, it is also interesting for the specialists in
Albanian and - more generally - Balkan linguistics.

The book is based on a number of previous articles by the author. It
consists of seven chapters.

1. Introduction: Theoretical Discussions and Research Focus
(1-7). This chapter contains an introduction of those theoretical
concepts, that are relevant for the whole investigation. This are,
first of all, SOCIETAL PRAXIS, that is, the sphere in which a language
is functioning. With respect to this notion, the author indicates that
''after a language has made its way to obsolescence with regard to its
referential adequacy, other functions, pragmatic in nature, remain''
(3, cf. Mertz 1989: 103-16); this statement is in a certain way basic
for the further discussion. Accordingly, the speakers of a dialect are
divided into FLUENT and TERMINAL (= semi-speakers according Nancy
Dorian); besides, such crucial notions as SUBORDINATION (and SELF-
DEPRECATION, which is related to it) and HETEROGLOSSIA, which are
comprehensively discussed in the following chapter.

2. On the Politics of Change (8-20). This chapter introduces, as it
were, the setting in which further action takes place. Some basic
facts on the Albanians in Greece are provided, their self-nomination
and the name for the Greek language used by them are
discussed. Further on, within the frames of the history of Albanian
community in Greece, the authors proceeds to the processes of
subordination (without oppression) and self-deprecation (related to
the former process), on the one hand, and heteroglossia, in which the
Greek language plays the role of POWER CODE and Arvanitika, the role
of SOLIDARITY CODE, on the other hand.  The linguistic situation in
the communities at issue leads to the establishment of ''a certain
kind of METAPRAGMATIC AWARENESS in which an ethno-ideological view of
language equates the use of Greek forms in the intracommunity sphere
of communication with affectation'' (15).

Finally, the chapter contains a sociological and sociolinguistic
description and comparison of two communities, namely, more
industrialized Spata and more patriarchal Kiriaki. It may be noticed,
however, that a consistent comparison of linguistic data from these
two communities was beyond the scope of the author's objectives.

3. On Sociolinguistic Change (21-65). ''The focus here is on both the
structural and the sociolinguistic aspects of the shift'' (6). This
particularly informative chapter contains a compressive, but
nonetheless useful review of the linguistic condition of the dialect,
whereupon its conservative features, the patterns of adaptation of the
Greek vocabulary, the models of interference - phonetic first of all -
with Greek etc. are highlighted.

Further on, the author compares the speech genres, typical of
Arvanitika of the second half of 19th and beginning of 20th century,
that are registered in the texts collected by Reinhold, Meyer and
Phourikis (these are rather heterogeneous and encompass fairy tales,
playful songs, speech plays, gospel excerpts; they entail, thus, a
good preservation of full-fledged syntactic and morphological
structures) with the scarce condition of contemporary narrative
genres, that are poorly differentiated. A conclusion is made that a
shift from INTERNAL HETEROGLOSSIA (=fully functioning language) to
heteroglossia juxtaposing Greek and Arvanitika has taken place.The
following part is concerned with the structural changes
resp. variation in the dialect.

Based on sociolinguistic criteria the author distinguishes three types
of changes, viz. COMPLETED, CONTINUOUS and DISCONTINUOUS CHANGES.
Completed changes ''include those aspects of the Arvanitica
grammatical system that are not part of any synchronic variation of
the community'' (34). Completed changes in Arvanitika are exemplified
by the lack of admirative, fossilization of optative, and drastic
decrease of productive derivative models (which is a pronounced
symptom of language death, cf. for example Dressler 1996). It may
remarked in passing, however, that it is not quite evident that
Arvanitika had the category of optative in the past; ''some aspecrs of
the history of the mood remains obscure'' ( 34, n12).

CONTINUOUS CHANGES are such that the structures involved are ''less
produced and less recognized as we move from fluent to terminal
speakers'' (40). As an example of such a change the fate of Albanian
gerund in Arvanitika is discussed.  The texts gathered by the author
have only four instances of constructions interpreted as gerundial;
out of these two have the ''tuke + finite form'' structure, and it is
not quite clear if these two utterances are simply agrammatical or
they correspond to the construction typical of the Greek dialects of
Albanian (this construction has been registered already by G.Meyer; it
is not, as it were, found in other Albanian dialects, cf. Cabej 1976:
146-147).

An auxiliary experiment in which subjects were supposed to translate
sentences from Greek to Arvanitika with the use of gerundial
constructions and to recognize such constructions in the Arvanitika
sentences showed that the lower is the level of language competence of
a paticular speaker, the less is productivity of the gerundial
constructions. Unfortunately, the design of the experiment is
described very briefly.

The section devoted to discontinuous changes is particularly
interesting. It is based on the analysis of Greek-to-Arvanitika
translations provided fluent resp. terminal speakers. The two
inflectional domains are at issue, that reflect the basic features of
the Albanian grammatical system: the Nominal-Adjectival system
(including agreement) and the Verb system (including syntactic
subordination). Terminal speakers show the signs of utter
decomposition of the grammatical system: there are abundant cases of
omission of agreement markers, distortion of gender agreement,
reordering of NP components, blunders in verb inflection, a good deal
of disorder in the use of modal and tense forms, and numerous
instances of the so-called FANTASY MORPHOLOGY.  In other words,
pronounced symptoms of the later stages of language shift are
observed. Summing up the ''sociolinguistic'' chapter, the author
concludes that the notion of COMPROMISE suggested by Nancy Dorian seem
applicable to the sociolinguistic situation in Arvanitika (cf. ''If in
a small linguistic community the threatened language does not face
puristic pressures a serviceable form of the language may well
continue in use. On the other hand, the lack of puristic stances
causes a relaxation of corrective constraints and so makes possible
the emergence of agrammatisms'', 63).

4. Performance and Ethnohistory (66-96). This chapter deals with the
speech behavior of fluent speakers. Their narrative performance
(''specific use of language by which the speaker assumes
responsibility for the display of communicative competence to an
evaluating audience'', 66) is characterized by three major devices:
NARRATIVE MARKERS (hearer- oriented expressions and ''formulaic
material which serves as a frame- opener for the performance of the
genre'', 72), SAME-LANGUAGE REPETITIONS (the device ''serves the
purpose of effecting a shift to a substantially new information unit
in the development of the narrative plot'', 73) and COUPLINGS
(instances of code switching). Besides, the author discusses those
obstacles that can be encountered by fluent speakers in the process of
narrative performance; these are first of all not appropriate conduct
of terminal speakers involved in the communication and possible
attendance of Greek monolinguals among the hearers.

The major part of the chapter is devoted to a deep and meticulous
analysis of several narrative texts, in which narrative devices
(partially discussed above) are related to the development of the
plot.  One of the main conclusions on this stage is that the
narratives are dialogical (in Bakhtin's terms) in nature, which
reflects ''the conflict between the two worlds, the traditional,
Arvanitika-dominant, and the modern, Greek-dominant'', 82); this
dialogical nature could manifest itself in code-switching, but not
entirely in it.

Language shift is reflected in a specific double-voiced character of
narratives, where ''the conflict [exists] between a positive cultural
stance towards Arvanitika and a pragmatism concerning sociocultural
and linguistic change'' (84); this conflict leads in a progress
towards the Greek language. The chapter is concluded by an interesting
analysis of a long narrative of an uncle J., one of the last fluent
speakers of the community of Livanates, where the Arvanitika is nearly
extinct. This uncle J. demonstrates a certain degree of agrammatism;
nonetheless, ''uncle J. furnishes a poetically complex speech
segment.... there is an ambiguity deriving from the sociological
condition of last, but not terminal speakers'' (95).

5. The Contextualization of Terminal-Speaker Discourse and the
Production of an Across-the-Border Voice: Beyond Grammar
(96-117). This chapter contains a discussion of the speech behavior of
terminal speakers. Analyzing the dialogues, in which - as a rule -
fluent speakers take part along with the terminal speakers, the author
characterizes the speech behavior of the latter as ACROSS-THE-BORDER
VOICE. Terminal speakers show almost complete loss of the referential
function of the language, Arvanitika is only used for the expression
of their attitudes towards the native language and their own speech
community. These attitudes are thoroughly analyzed in the chapter.

The texts produced by terminal speakers are characterized in the
chapter as SLIM TEXTS, that is, the texts that hold somewhat
intermediate position between formulae and long narratives.

6. The Coding of Linguistic Ideology and Arvanitika Language Shift
(118-143). While the two foregoing chapters are devoted to the
analysis of the texts produced by fluent resp. terminal speakers, the
6th chapter tackled the problem of linguistic ideology expressed in
these texts. The two types of ideological discourse are distinguished,
namely, CONGRUENT and CONTRADICTORY. The former corresponds to the
phenomenon of subordination (''I call congruent discourse the type of
linguistic ideology in which the hegemonic effects of subordination
show up: in this discourse speakers do not juxtapose the two codes of
their repertoire in any contradictory manner'', 120), the latter one
reflects the situation of heteroglossia (''I call contradictory
discourse the type of discursively surfacing linguistic ideology in
which the expression of the solidarity function of Arvanitika is
interrupted by the power function of Greek'', 120).

An analysis of several narratives representing the two distinguished
types is provided. With respect to the contradictory discourse an
important notion of PERFORMATIVE CONTRADICTION is introduced; this
terms refers to those cases in which the attitude of a speaker towards
a certain phenomenon undergoes a change in the process of
narration. In the analysis of the internal dialogical structure of
such narratives the author notably relies on the ideas of Bakhtin -
Volosinov (Volosinov 1973), in particular, he uses their terms of
ANTICIPATED AND DISSEMINATED REPORTED SPEECH.

In the second half of the chapter, an endeavor is made to decompose
the ideology expressed in the narratives into component NUCLEI. Four
nuclei (=ideas) are distinguished based on the analysis of the texts:
(1) ''In earlier times people suffered due to the harsh material
conditions prevailing then, but moral principles were kept in high
esteem...; (2) The calendrical order of socio-religious life was
strictly observed then as against today when it is not. (3) Social
roles were predeterminated by the norm so that things were not left to
the chancy turns of life as against today when we are witnessing a
moral loosening of human conduct... (4) The Arvanitika language was
once pure and people spoke without mixing their language with Greek
whereas today Arvanitika has become a bastard language'' (132). The
author notes that mentioning one of these nuclei often leads to the
evolvement of the others.

7. Concluding Remarks on Ideology and Shift: Language Ideology as a
Discursive and Reconstructible Phenomenon (144-146). This short
chapter summarizes the message of the book. It is emphasized that
language ideology is reconstructible phenomenon, that is analysis of
the arrangement of the elements of the narrative allows one to
reconstruct the speakers' views on the causal relationships between
the phenomena of spiritual and social life.

Evaluation

This book is extremely informative and essential. Despite its
relatively small size it contains a meticulous discussion of a
significant number of problems ranging from structural changes under
the process of language shift to linguistic ideology and the ways it
is expressed in narratives. The logical consistence of the discussion
of the data is undisputable, there is clear and ensuing structure of
author's thinking reflected in the ''plot'' of the book. Theoretical
conclusions are deeply grounded empirically.

The following remarks are not in intended as polemic; rather, they are
questions and suggestions that arise inevitably in the process of
reading an interesting and informative scholarly research.

Although the distinction of fluent and terminal speakers seems quite
convincing as such, the very consistency of the former group needs
some clarification. On page 140 the author makes an interesting remark
that (some?) ''Arvanitika-dominant bilinguals make frequent errors in
Greek''.  Thus the question arises if there is a group of balanced
bilinguals, and if yes, how can their performance be characterized. It
remains somewhat unclear, if the speakers of Arvanitika are homogenous
enough with respect to the linguistic ideology, that can be understood
based on their narratives, in other words, if there are any
discrepancies or gradations between speakers as regards their
ideology. The very possibility of the ideological heterogeneity of a
speech community, that is, the possibility of the co-existence of
several subgroups of a community differing in their metalinguistic
awareness with respect to the ''dialect vs. standard language'' or
''first language vs. second language'' opposition is quite imaginable
(cf. Rusakov, Sai forthcoming for the description of such a
community).

It would be crucial for the understanding of the sociolinguistic
patterns of language use in the speakers of Arvanitika to make an in-
depth study of the processes of code-switching in the speech of
different groups of these speakers. Besides, it could have been
appropriate to provide a general description of the narrative
material: it remains unclear what kind of narrative plots are
encountered along with those discussed in the book (if there are any
at all?).

The author clearly aimed at the description of the situation of
language shift in Arvanitika and not at understanding whether the
patterns revealed are generally typical of sociolinguistic situations
characterized by a strong functional distribution of two (or more) co-
existing languages. However, in the course of moving along his line of
argumentation the author repeatedly draws reader's attention to
various sociolinguistically similar situations. It could have been
germane to bundle together these typological observations in order to
create a kind of a background for the discussion of particular
phenomena revealed in Arvanitika communities.

Needless to say that all these remarks to do not change the fact that
this book by Lucas Tsitsipis deserves a very high evaluation.

REFERENCES

Cabej, Eqrem. Studime gjuhesore. V. 1, Prishtine, 1976.

Dressler, Wolfgang. 1996. Language Death. In Singh, Rajendra, ed.,
Towards a Critical Sociolinguistics. Amsterdam: Benjamins, 195-210.

Haebler, Claus. 1965. Grammatik der Albanischen Mundart von Salamis.
Wiesbaden: Otto Harassowitz.

Hamp,  Eric P.1961. On the Arvanitika dialects of Attica and the
Megari. Balkansko Ezikoznanie) Linguistique Balkanique), 3, 101-106.

Joseph, Brian D. 1999. Comparative perspectives on the place of
Arvanitika within Greece and the Greek environment. In: L.Tsitsipis
(ed.). Arvanitika ke Elinika: Zitimata Poliglosikon ke Polipolitismikon
Kinotiton. Vol. II. Livadia: EXANDAS, 208-214.

Meyer, Gustav. 1896. Albanesische Studien. V. Beitraege zur Kenntniss
der in Griechenland gesprochenen Albanesischen Mundarten (Wien: Wiener
Akademie Sitzungsberichte).

Mertz, Elizabeth. 1989. Sociolinguistic Creativity: Cape Breton
Gaelic's linguistic ''tip''. In: Dorian, Nancy (ed.). Investigating
Obsolescence: Studies in Language Contraction and Death. Cambridge:
CUP, 103-116.

Phourikis 1932-33; The Greek-Albanian dialect in Attika [in Greek].
Athina, 44, 28-76; 45, 49-181.

Reinhold, Carol H. 1855. Noctes Pelasgicae. Athens: Typis Sophoclis
Carbola.

Rusakov, Alexander & Sergei Sai. Forthcoming. On metalinguistic
awareness and self-identification of a dialect speaker.

Trudgill, Peter. 1978. Creolization in reverse: reduction and
simplification in the Albanian dialects of Greece. Transactions of the
Philological Society, 1976-7, 32-50.

Trudgill, Peter & Tzavaras, George. 1977. Why Albanian-Greeks are not
Albanians: Language shift in Attica and Biotia. In: Giles, H. (ed.).
Language, Ethnicity and Intergroup Relations, New York: Academic Press.
171-184.

Volosinov, Valentin N. 1973. Marxism and the Philosophy of Language,
trans. L.Matejka and I.R.Titunik. Cambridge, Mass.: Harvard University
Press.

Weigand, Gustav. 1926. Das Albanische in Attika. Balkanarchiv, 2, 167-
220.

ABOUT THE REVIEWER

Alexander Yu. Rusakov is assistant professor at the St. Petersburg
State university, department of General Linguistics. His research
interests include language contacts, historical linguistics, Balkan
linguistics, Albanian language, Romani.

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From babyaking at STRATOS.NET  Wed Dec  4 07:23:22 2002
From: babyaking at STRATOS.NET (Hoyte & Elena King)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:23:22 -0800
Subject: archive of George Grebenstchikoff
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Does anyone know the whereabouts of the archive of the writer George
Grebenstchikoff?

Hoyte King

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It's a while since I joined SEELANGS, and I can't remember what you do to
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From sforres1 at SWARTHMORE.EDU  Wed Dec  4 15:33:05 2002
From: sforres1 at SWARTHMORE.EDU (Sibelan Forrester)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:33:05 -0500
Subject: AWSS Pre-dissertation fellowship award
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The Association for Women in Slavic Studies is pleased to announce
that Inna Tigountsova is the winner of the 2003-2004 AWSS
Pre-Dissertation Fellowship in Slavic/East European and Eurasian
Women's Studies.

Ms Tigountsova is writing her dissertation in Russian Literature at
the University of Toronto.  Her theme, "The Ugly (bezobraznoye) in
Dostoevsky and Russian Literature of the Twentieth Century," traces
the evolution of the Underground Man, and later Woman, from the 19th
century through the 20th, devoting attention to several prominent
women writers in Russia today (Tolstaya, Petrushevskaya, and others).
Ms Tigountsova's work promises to be of interest not only to scholars
of Russian literature, but to a wider audience in the profession as
well.

The Fellowship will support research or travel associated with
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for next year's fellowship competition is June 1, 2003.

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Topics of the day:

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Date:    Tue, 3 Dec 2002 23:23:22 -0800
From:    Hoyte & Elena King <babyaking at STRATOS.NET>
Subject: archive of George Grebenstchikoff

Does anyone know the whereabouts of the archive of the writer George
Grebenstchikoff?

Hoyte King

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From sforres1 at SWARTHMORE.EDU  Wed Dec  4 20:54:04 2002
From: sforres1 at SWARTHMORE.EDU (Sibelan Forrester)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:54:04 -0500
Subject: 2003 calendar:  "Women of Belarus"
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For anyone who loved the 2002 calendar (with art work by Belarusian
women) edited by Elena Gapova -- or for anyone who missed that
calendar -- here's the announcement of a new one.  (Please consult
the site at the bottom of the message for more information. -- SF)

CALENDAR-2003: WOMEN OF BELARUS: AT THE PERSONAL FRONT
Zhenshchiny Belarusi: na lichnom fronte.
Ed. by Elena Gapova. Minsk: EHU, 2002.
Languages: Russian/English

What should a komsomol member wear, and is it possible to tell a
class enemy by her clothes?
How do you learn communism at sewing classes, and what is the best
way to fight for "novyi byt?"

Calendar-2003  "Women of Belarus: at the Personal Front" comprises
unique Soviet posters and journal publications of the 1920's that
bring back images of women of the early communist era and revive the
discourse on gender equality that has become a part of history.
Excellently designed, this publication is both a visual treat and a
resource for scholars of women's and Soviet history.

Contact East View Publications at www.eastview.com

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From cfwoolhiser at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU  Wed Dec  4 22:42:23 2002
From: cfwoolhiser at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU (curt fredric woolhiser)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:42:23 -0600
Subject: 2003 calendar:  "Women of Belarus"
In-Reply-To: <p05100316ba141b3cc0b3@[130.58.154.162]>
Message-ID: <WED.4.DEC.2002.164223.0600.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I'm glad to hear that this series is continuing. It should be
mentioned that for 2001 the Center for Gender Studies at EHU
published (with support from Rutgers University) a beautiful calendar
in Belarusian, "Shliakhi da svabody: Zhanchyny Belarusi" (Paths to
Liberation: Women of Belarus), with biographical sketches on such
important figures in the cultural and political history of Belarus as
Maryja Bahushevich, Alaiza Pashkevich (Tsiotka), Maryja Mahdalena
Radzivil, Kanstancyja Bujlo, Zos'ka Veras, Esfir Frumkina, Khasia
Pruslina, Larysa Henijush and Natallia Arsenneva, among others.
        I understand that the switch from Belarusian to Russian and
English in the last two calendars was dictated both by content and
market considerations -- their potential audience is clearly not
limited to Belarus and the Belarusian diaspora. Still, it would have
been a nice gesture to Belarusian speakers (including doubly
marginalized Belarusian-speaking women!) to include captions in
Belarusian as well as Russian and English.

Curt Woolhiser

========================================
Curt F. Woolhiser
Dept. of Slavic Languages
and Literatures
Calhoun 415
University of Texas
Austin, TX 78713-7217 USA

Tel. (512) 232-9133, (512) 471-3607
Fax: (512) 471-6710
Email: cfwoolhiser at mail.utexas.edu
Slavic Department Home Page:
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========================================


>For anyone who loved the 2002 calendar (with art work by Belarusian
>women) edited by Elena Gapova -- or for anyone who missed that
>calendar -- here's the announcement of a new one.  (Please consult
>the site at the bottom of the message for more information. -- SF)
>
>CALENDAR-2003: WOMEN OF BELARUS: AT THE PERSONAL FRONT
>Zhenshchiny Belarusi: na lichnom fronte.
>Ed. by Elena Gapova. Minsk: EHU, 2002.
>Languages: Russian/English
>
>What should a komsomol member wear, and is it possible to tell a
>class enemy by her clothes?
>How do you learn communism at sewing classes, and what is the best
>way to fight for "novyi byt?"
>
>Calendar-2003  "Women of Belarus: at the Personal Front" comprises
>unique Soviet posters and journal publications of the 1920's that
>bring back images of women of the early communist era and revive the
>discourse on gender equality that has become a part of history.
>Excellently designed, this publication is both a visual treat and a
>resource for scholars of women's and Soviet history.
>
>Contact East View Publications at www.eastview.com
>
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From e.gapova at WORLDNET.ATT.NET  Thu Dec  5 12:38:37 2002
From: e.gapova at WORLDNET.ATT.NET (Elena Gapova)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:38:37 -0500
Subject: 2003 calendar:  "Women of Belarus"
Message-ID: <THU.5.DEC.2002.073837.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Thanks to everyone for the interest in the calendar. Several people e-mailed
to me that it is not in the Eastview catalogue. This is just a delay, it
will appear in their database very soon (product number L2001394).  And they
will get it to you even without that if you contact them.

Elena Gapova

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From wsjohnso at STUDENTS.WISC.EDU  Thu Dec  5 23:17:21 2002
From: wsjohnso at STUDENTS.WISC.EDU (Wendy S. Johnson)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:17:21 -0600
Subject: quick brown fox...
Message-ID: <THU.5.DEC.2002.171721.0600.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Seelangers,
Does anyone know of a conventional sentence in Russian that contains all of
the letters of the alphabet, equivalent to "the quick brown box jumped over
the lazy dog"?
Please respond off-list.
Thank you.
Wendy Johnson
wsjohnso at wisc.edu

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From STEPHENBPEARL at CS.COM  Fri Dec  6 02:34:13 2002
From: STEPHENBPEARL at CS.COM (STEPHENBPEARL at CS.COM)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:34:13 EST
Subject: CONFERENCE INTERPRETATION COURSE
Message-ID: <THU.5.DEC.2002.213413.EST.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

The University of Leeds School of Modern Languages and Cultures

 Centre for Translation Studies

 INTENSIVE COURSES IN SIMULTANEOUS CONFERENCE INTERPRETING

 (from French, Russian and Spanish)

 Course Tutor 

The course will be led by Stephen Pearl who has developed an innovative 
programme of incremental instruction in the skills required for simultaneous 
interpretation in the conference setting. Until recently Chief of the English 
Interpretation Service of the United Nations in New York, Mr. Pearl has 
extensive experience in the training of conference interpreters and has 
written widely on the subject. He played a leading part in the training of 
many of the current generation of United Nations conference interpreters.

 Course organisation and methodology

 The training programme proceeds by successive incremental stages which vary 
only one factor at a time and highlight, in turn, individual specific 
elements of S.I. techniques. The stages are as follows:

 Stage 1. Aural Translation (oral source to written output)

 Stage 2. Sight Interpretation (written source to oral output)

 Stage 3. Sound-bite Interpretation (oral source to oral output)

 Stage 4. Frozen Interpretation (oral source to written output)

 Stage 5. Simplified Simultaneous Interpretation

 Stage 6. Fully-fledged Simultaneous Interpretation

 Stage 7. Fully-fledged Simultaneous Interpretation with Text

 Interpreting classes take place in a conference interpreting suite equipped 
to international standards.

 

Course dates

 2 – 13 September 2002………………French 6 – 17 January 2003…………French

 16 – 27 September 2002…………….Spanish 20 – 31 January 2003………..Spanish

 30 September – 11 October 2002……Russian 3-14 February 2003………….Russian

 Admissions Requirements

 These two-week courses are offered within the Centre of Translation Studies 
and will be open to individuals who

 · possess translation skills and are contemplating a career in Conference 
Interpreting

 or

 · have some experience in the field and wish to consolidate it by a 
programme of formal systematic tuition

 or

 · are experienced interpreters but wish to ‘add’ French, Russian or Spanish 
as a further ‘passive’ language to their combination

 or

 · work as consecutive, business, court or community interpreters and wish to 
adapt their skills to the requirements of Conference Interpreting.

 English mother tongue candidates must have a superior active command of 
standard English and a solid and thorough passive knowledge of the language 
or languages from which they intend to interpret. Non-English mother tongue 
candidates must have a comprehensive educated command of their mother tongue 
and a fluent delivery in educated standard English unmarred by faults of 
accent or intonation likely to impede listener comprehension.

 Tuition Fees

 £900 for the two week course

 NB. This fee is for tuition only

 Application form is <A HREF="http://smlc01.leeds.ac.uk/conference/aform%20Sim%20Interpreting%20Short%20Course.htm">here</A> 

E-mail to: <A HREF="mailto:e.j.cordell at leeds.ac.uk">e.j.cordell at leeds.ac.uk</A> or send application form to:-

 Emma Cordell, School of Modern Languages and Cultures, University of Leeds, 
Leeds LS2 9JT, UK

 

Website: <A HREF="http://www.leeds.ac.uk/smlc">http://www.leeds.ac.uk/smlc</A>

 

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From ewb2 at CORNELL.EDU  Fri Dec  6 02:47:37 2002
From: ewb2 at CORNELL.EDU (ewb2 at CORNELL.EDU)
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:47:37 -0500
Subject: quick brown fox...
In-Reply-To: <4.1.20021205171026.00a16eb0@students.wisc.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.5.DEC.2002.214737.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Please share the results! In Polish there is a minimal sentence:
Po'jdz'z*e! Kin' te( chmurnos'c' w gLa(b flaszy.
"Go! Throw that sadness/cloudiness/darkness into the bottom of the
bottle."
I've never seen any Russian pangram that didn't have repetitions.

On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Wendy S. Johnson wrote:

> Dear Seelangers,
> Does anyone know of a conventional sentence in Russian that contains all of
> the letters of the alphabet, equivalent to "the quick brown box jumped over
> the lazy dog"?
> Please respond off-list.
> Thank you.
> Wendy Johnson
> wsjohnso at wisc.edu

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From Alexandra.Leontieva at KRR.UIB.NO  Fri Dec  6 14:59:09 2002
From: Alexandra.Leontieva at KRR.UIB.NO (Alexandra N. Leontieva)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:59:09 +0100
Subject: quick brown fox
In-Reply-To: <E18KARV-0000wg-00@alf.uib.no>
Message-ID: <FRI.6.DEC.2002.155909.0100.>

Hello all,

> Does anyone know of a conventional sentence in Russian that contains all of
> the letters of the alphabet, equivalent to "the quick brown box jumped over
> the lazy dog"?

I can only contribute with the phrase that communications people (phone
companies, radioelectronics specialists et al.) used to check the quality of
the line. Supposedly it contains either all the sounds of Russian - or,
probably, the most difficult sounds of Russian that tend to get garbled:

Ivan prokhodit nizkim shtrekom, tarania nosom chernyi potolok.

(I'm not sure about "nizkim", though - it might be "uzkim.")

--
Alexandra N. Leontieva, dr.art.
guest researcher
BEEGS - Baltic and East European Graduate School
Sodertorns hogskola (University College)
SE-141 89 Huddinge
Stockholm, Sweden
tlf. +46 (0)8 608 4154 (office)
+46 (0)73 059 0556 (cell)

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From Philippe.FRISON at COE.INT  Fri Dec  6 16:29:13 2002
From: Philippe.FRISON at COE.INT (FRISON Philippe)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:29:13 +0100
Subject: Sudebny nadziratel'
Message-ID: <FRI.6.DEC.2002.172913.0100.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

hello!

Could somebody on the list give me a definition of a "sudebny nadziratel'"
(I found it in a legal text, but the words come up also in "Brave soldier
Chveyg".

Is he just the criminal law equivalent for "sudebny ispolnitel'/pristav"
(marshal in Am. English) ?

Best regards

Philippe FRISON

E-mail: Philippe.Frison at Coe.int

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From mkatz at MIDDLEBURY.EDU  Fri Dec  6 16:49:23 2002
From: mkatz at MIDDLEBURY.EDU (Katz, Michael)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:49:23 -0500
Subject: shapka-ushanka
Message-ID: <FRI.6.DEC.2002.114923.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

A staff member in my office is looking for a Russian fur hat to give as a
gift. Does anyone know where she might find one in this country? Please
reply off-list to me.
Thanks.

Michael Katz
Dean of Language Schools and Schools Abroad
209 Sunderland Language Center
Middlebury College
Middlebury, VT 05753
Tel: 802-443-2447
Fax: 802-443-2075
e-mail: mkatz at middlebury.edu

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From STEPHENBPEARL at CS.COM  Fri Dec  6 17:12:13 2002
From: STEPHENBPEARL at CS.COM (STEPHENBPEARL at CS.COM)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:12:13 EST
Subject: SEELANGS Digest - 4 Dec 2002 to 5 Dec 2002 (#2002-315)
Message-ID: <FRI.6.DEC.2002.121213.EST.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

CONFERENCE INTERPRETATION COURSE

Parts of the announcement which appeared in SEELANGS DIGEST 4-5 DEC., 
yesterday, were garbled in transmission and should be clarified as follows.

       The dates for the Russian-English Course are February 3-14, 2003.

       (French-English ...6-17 January, 2003)
       (Spanish-English...20 - 31 January, 2003)

       The fee for the two week intensive course is £900.

       Application forms and further information can be obtained from:

       Emma Cordell, School of Modern Languages and Cultures,
       University of Leeds, Leeds LS2 9JT, UK

       E-mail: e.j.cordell at leeds.ac.uk

       Website: http://www.leeds.ac.uk/smlc       

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From vbelyanin at MTU.RU  Fri Dec  6 17:51:10 2002
From: vbelyanin at MTU.RU (Belianine Valeri)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:51:10 -0500
Subject: quick brown fox...
In-Reply-To: <4.1.20021205171026.00a16eb0@students.wisc.edu>
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Bonjour, SEELANGERs
Мне так подсказали знающие люди:
+Съешь ещё этих мягких французских булок, да выпей же чаю +
нет только буквы Ё
+ Зять съел щи, чан брюквы, шип. Эх, фигу ждём!+
Тут нет букв Й,О,Ц,Ъ,Ь
И, конечно,
+В чащах юга жил-был цитрус, да но фальшивый экземпляр.+
хотя нет букв Ё,Ъ
Cordially, Val Belianine, editor of www.textology.ru
Hope you can read cyrillic!

Friday, December 06, 2002
W> Dear Seelangers,
W> Does anyone know of a conventional sentence in Russian that contains all of
W> the letters of the alphabet, equivalent to "the quick brown box jumped over
W> the lazy dog"?
W> Please respond off-list. Thank you. Wendy Johnson wsjohnso at wisc.edu

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From rar at SLAVIC.UMASS.EDU  Fri Dec  6 18:01:31 2002
From: rar at SLAVIC.UMASS.EDU (Robert A. Rothstein)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:01:31 -0500
Subject: quick brown fox...
Message-ID: <FRI.6.DEC.2002.130131.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Belianine Valeri wrote:

> [...]
> Hope you can read cyrillic!

    I may have missed an earlier posting with advice on reading cyrillic, but I
find that sometimes I can and sometimes I can't read messages and web pages (or
parts of them!) in cyrillic.  Valeri Belianine's message was one of those that I
can't read (in Windows 95 or 98), despite trying various character sets (KOI8-R,
ISO-8859-5, Windows-1251, CP-866) and even SC Unipad.  Any more advice?
        Bob Rothstein

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From paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM  Fri Dec  6 18:48:34 2002
From: paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM (Paul B. Gallagher)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:48:34 -0500
Subject: quick brown fox...
Message-ID: <FRI.6.DEC.2002.134834.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Valeri Belianine wrote:

> Bonjour, SEELANGERs
> Мне так подсказали знающие люди:
> +Съешь ещё этих мягких французских булок, да выпей же чаю +
> нет только буквы Ё

Есть -- в слове ╚ещё╩.

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From paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM  Fri Dec  6 18:50:44 2002
From: paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM (Paul B. Gallagher)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:50:44 -0500
Subject: quick brown fox...
Message-ID: <FRI.6.DEC.2002.135044.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Robert A. Rothstein wrote:

> Belianine Valeri wrote:
>
> > [...]
> > Hope you can read cyrillic!
>
>     I may have missed an earlier posting with advice on reading cyrillic, but I
> find that sometimes I can and sometimes I can't read messages and web pages (or
> parts of them!) in cyrillic.  Valeri Belianine's message was one of those that I
> can't read (in Windows 95 or 98), despite trying various character sets (KOI8-R,
> ISO-8859-5, Windows-1251, CP-866) and even SC Unipad.  Any more advice?

For messages like this, set Netscape's encoding to "Western," click
"Reply," and set the encoding of the composition window to "Cyrillic."

Clumsy, but it works.

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From brintlinger.3 at OSU.EDU  Fri Dec  6 20:44:54 2002
From: brintlinger.3 at OSU.EDU (Angela Brintlinger)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:44:54 -0500
Subject: Call For Papers -- April 2003 Conference on Madness in Russia
In-Reply-To: <p05100300ba08557fcc27@[128.32.99.190]>
Message-ID: <FRI.6.DEC.2002.154454.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELANGers:

A reminder that we are still soliciting proposals for the Madness
conference to be held at Ohio State in April 2003. See below.

Best wishes,
Angela Brintlinger
Ohio State University

CALL FOR PAPERS
"Those Crazy Russians": Madness in Russian Culture, History and Society

We invite proposals for a conference on the topic of madness in Russia,
to be held April 5-6, 2003 at Ohio State University in Columbus, Ohio.
Topics include but are not limited to: Madness and Society, Madness and
Literature, Madness in Political Discourse, Madness in History, The History
of Psychiatry in Russia, The Asylum in Russia, Madness and Gender, The
Representation of Madness in the Fine Arts and Cinema. The working
languages of the conference are English and Russian.

Send a title and 150-word abstract, along with a 2-page c.v., to Prof. Angela
Brintlinger, 232 Cunz Hall, 1841 Millikin Road, Columbus, OH 43210.
Inquiries to
brintlinger.3 at osu.edu or to Prof. Ilya Vinitsky, University of Pittsburgh,
ivinitsk at pisem.net.

Deadline for proposals is January 15, 2003. The conference is to be sponsored
by the Ohio State Center for Slavic and East European Studies and the OSU
Department of Slavic and East European Languages and Literatures.

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From achekhov at UNITY.NCSU.EDU  Fri Dec  6 21:16:49 2002
From: achekhov at UNITY.NCSU.EDU (Vladimir Bilenkin)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:16:49 -0500
Subject: Winter Notes and Pushkin Speech in one volume?
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Dear List members!

I am trying to find an English translation of Dostoevsky's Pushkin Speech and
his Winter Notes on Summer Impressions for my course, that is preferably in one
volume.
The only edition of Winter Notes by Northwestern I am aware of is a hardback
and just too costly.  I wonder if these works were not included in one of the
compilations
of his minor works still in print.  Thank you for your help.

Vladimir Bilenkin,
NCSU

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From DavidECrawford at CFL.RR.COM  Fri Dec  6 22:31:55 2002
From: DavidECrawford at CFL.RR.COM (David E. Crawford)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:31:55 -0500
Subject: Voyez le brick geant que j'examine pres du wharf
Message-ID: <FRI.6.DEC.2002.173155.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Belianine Valeri" <vbelyanin at MTU.RU>
To: <SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
Sent: Friday, 06 December 2002 12:51
Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] quick brown fox...



> +В чащах юга жил-был цитрус, да но фальшивый экземпляр.+
> хотя нет букв Ё,Ъ

At least for the above example, the explanation for the missing letters
is as follows:  "Quick brown fox" and similar concoctions such as "voyez
le brick" have their historical origins in teletype operations.  The
mechanical printers had individual print keys for each letter, so when
testing a communication circuit the operators needed an
easily-remembered and -typed phrase in order to exercise each key.  The
more common Russian TTY machines use 5-bit baudot code with a third
shift sequence, which allows for 78 possible alpha text characters.
This is not quite enough to totally cover both the Roman and Cyrillic
alphabets without losing some other symbols/etc. that somebody decided
were important enough to keep.  To make up for the shortfall some
similar characters were combined, so E is used to represent both ye and
yo, soft sign is used to represent both soft and hard signs, and 4 is
used to represent both 4 and che.  So, in a radiogram transmitted on a
Russian TTY circuit, you'll never see a yo, hard sign, or che.  The
system is still in use today, mostly by the Russian merchant fleet for
shortwave ship-shore communications.  There are of course a wide variety
of more-modern text messaging systems without this limitation.

On another subject, can anyone point me to a reference that explains why
in Russia there are (still) both oblasts and krays and what their
historical and present differences are?  The web wasn't much help on
this one.  Tnx.

dc

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From achekhov at UNITY.NCSU.EDU  Sat Dec  7 02:05:27 2002
From: achekhov at UNITY.NCSU.EDU (Vladimir Bilenkin)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 21:05:27 -0500
Subject: Russia and the Idea of "the West." Call For Panel.
Message-ID: <FRI.6.DEC.2002.210527.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Colleagues!

I would like to organize a panel for the AAASS conference in Toronto
(20-23 November)
under the provisional title "Russia and the Idea of 'the West.'"  The
purpose of this panel will be to explore
some of the ways in which Russia has contributed to the emergence and
the evolution of  "the West" as
a concept or cultural and geopolitical "identity," which today pervades
and overflows the sublunary world.

This is a pure stuff of interdisciplinary and cross-cultural inquiry.
Below are several excerpts from my paper (still in progress), which I
would like to present in Toronto and which may give you a better sense
of how I see the subject matter of the panel to be proposed.
-----------------
Edward Said's work on Orientalism as a set discursive practices (with
colonialism behind them) and ideological institutions through which
European elites construed their own "imagined community" provides the
inspiration but not the model of what I have in mind.  After all, it
appears that in the case of  "Europe" vs "Orient" we have a
representational "one-way street", so to speak.    It was "Europe" who
represented  "Orient", not the other way around.  Hence, Said's
(mis)appropriation of Marx's "they cannot represent themselves; they
must be represented" as the epigraph for his book.

In contrast, the emergence of "the West" and the approaching "Decline of
Europe,"  which can be traced to the hey days of British imperialism,
came in the wake of a  hectic and productive half a century of
literary-ideological debates in Russia (from Chaadaev to Slavophiles and
Westernizers, Herzen, the Nihilists, the Populists, Turgenev and
Dostoevsky,  to name just those on my mind at the moment). Those debates
were one way or another centered around the conflicting or perhaps
complementing representations of "Europe" soon to become "the West."
And that was only the beginning.  So in the case of the representational
relations between "Europe" and "Russia," let alone "the West" and
"Russia," we are dealing with a two-way street.

Indeed, risking to bring upon myself charges in Great-Russian
chauvinism, I dare to suggest that--with occasional and short lived
exceptions--up until the post-war period and the epoch of national
liberation struggles in the "Third World," Russia/Soviet Union  had
remained the only national entity outside of what today is called "the
West" that developed its own discourse of  "Europe" and then "the West"
plus the institutions of knowledge designed to study them, and that
these practices and institutions (backed by the supra-discursive things
like Russian emancipatory movement, the Big Game, revolutionary
terrorism, 1905, October Revolution,  III International, five-year
plans, and the Red Army) kept challenging the elites (including writers
and professors) west to the Kingdom of Poland in a variety of ways that
somehow influenced the metamorphoses of their "imagined community" from
"Europe" or perhaps "Europes" to the sequence of "the Wests."

In short, from Karamzin's Letters to the Institute of USA and Canada,
"Europe"/"the West" became the object rather than the sovereign subject
in the game of the national-racial-cultural who is who.  It were Russian
writers, ideologues, scholars, and propagandists, radicals and
conservatives, revolutionaries and reactionaries who, having borrowed
and (in)digested European knowledge or what they thought it were,
gradually broke Europe's long lasting monopoly to represent other
nations and races and began representing the Representer. How did these
representations affect the Represented One; how did It respond to them
and how might It have changed in the process (say, from "Europe" to "the
West")?  This is approximately the line of inquiry I would like this
panel to pursue.

I am looking for 2-3 papers.  In case more scholars turn out to be
interested in this topic I'd rather propose a round table, or even both.

Thank you for considering this call.

Vladimir Bilenkin,
Associate Professor of Russian,
Department of Foreign Languages and Literatures,
Box 8106
North Carolina State University,
Raleigh, NC, 27695-8106
Tel. 919-515-9316
E-mail: achekhov at unity.ncsu.edu

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From paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM  Sat Dec  7 04:02:18 2002
From: paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM (Paul B. Gallagher)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:02:18 -0500
Subject: history of the oblast and the kray
Message-ID: <FRI.6.DEC.2002.230218.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

David E. Crawford wrote [under a different subject line]:

> On another subject, can anyone point me to a reference that explains why
> in Russia there are (still) both oblasts and krays and what their
> historical and present differences are?  The web wasn't much help on
> this one.  Tnx.

Here's a good place to start: ╚Изменение
административно-территориального деления России за последние 300 лет╩.
С.А.ТАРХОВ. ("Izmeneniye administrativno-territorial'nogo deleniya
Rossii za posledniye 300 let." S. A. Tarkhov)

The editors of Geografiya apparently don't believe in linking the
author's pages to one another, so here's the secret: The material begins
in issue 15 at <http://geo.1september.ru/2001/15/contents15.htm>, and
then continues in issue 21 at
<http://geo.1september.ru/2001/15/contents15.htm>.

Should give you way more than enough ideas and search terms to move
forward.

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--
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From paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM  Sat Dec  7 11:33:08 2002
From: paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM (Paul B. Gallagher)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 06:33:08 -0500
Subject: history of the oblast and the kray
Message-ID: <SAT.7.DEC.2002.063308.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Last night, I wrote:

> David E. Crawford wrote [under a different subject line]:
>
> > On another subject, can anyone point me to a reference that explains why
> > in Russia there are (still) both oblasts and krays and what their
> > historical and present differences are?  The web wasn't much help on
> > this one.  Tnx.
>
> Here's a good place to start: ╚Изменение административно-
> территориального деления России за последние 300 лет╩. С.А.ТАРХОВ.
> ("Izmeneniye administrativno-territorial'nogo deleniya Rossii
> za posledniye 300 let." S. A. Tarkhov)
>
> The editors of Geografiya apparently don't believe in linking the
> author's pages to one another, so here's the secret: The material begins
> in issue 15 at <http://geo.1september.ru/2001/15/contents15.htm>, and
> then continues in issue 21 at
> <http://geo.1september.ru/2001/15/contents15.htm>.

Of course, I meant to say:
        and then continues in issue 21 at
        <http://geo.1september.ru/newspaper.php?year=2001&num=21>.

Sorry.

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From Mourka at HVC.RR.COM  Sat Dec  7 13:04:03 2002
From: Mourka at HVC.RR.COM (Mourka)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 08:04:03 -0500
Subject: shapka-ushanka
Message-ID: <SAT.7.DEC.2002.080403.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Seelangers,

I'm replying to Michael Katz' question about shapka-ushanka to the whole list because there may be some of you who are not aware of SOVIETSKI COLLECTION. There is a website (sovietski.com) and a catalog which they will gladly send out to you.  SOVIETSKI COLLECTION  is full of things Russian.  And some are quite beautiful too I might add.

Happy Holidays!

Margarita Meyendorff

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From merlin at H2.HUM.HUJI.AC.IL  Sat Dec  7 15:52:08 2002
From: merlin at H2.HUM.HUJI.AC.IL (merlin)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 17:52:08 +0200
Subject: Russian spell-check tools
In-Reply-To: <0FE98FA04927D411A48300D0B77CF9BB0AB1E161@tiger.middlebury. edu>
Message-ID: <SAT.7.DEC.2002.175208.0200.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Would  appreciate if anybody could direct to Russian spell-check software
on the web.

Valery Merlin

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From roman.leibov at UT.EE  Sat Dec  7 16:39:35 2002
From: roman.leibov at UT.EE (R_L)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 18:39:35 +0200
Subject: Russian spell-check tools
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20021207175208.008548f0@h2.hum.huji.ac.il>
Message-ID: <SAT.7.DEC.2002.183935.0200.ROMAN.LEIBOV@UT.EE>

Saturday, December 7, 2002, 5:52:08 PM, Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list wrote:

m> Would  appreciate if anybody could direct to Russian spell-check software
m> on the web.
http://www.informatic.ru/orfo_online.aspx



--

 R_L

   Три случайных стиха из ЕО:

Держу я счастливое стремя...
Но вы, блаженные мужья,
Была заманчивой загадкой,

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From colkitto at SPRINT.CA  Sat Dec  7 18:53:21 2002
From: colkitto at SPRINT.CA (Robert Orr)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:53:21 -0500
Subject: shapka-ushanka
Message-ID: <SAT.7.DEC.2002.135321.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Zdravstvujte,

Vsegda citaju Vasi ocen interesnye soobscenija na SEELANGS

Odnako, dolzen skazat, cto naxozu "Happy Holidays" vesma obiditelnym.

Spasibo,

Robert Orr

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From colkitto at SPRINT.CA  Sat Dec  7 18:56:24 2002
From: colkitto at SPRINT.CA (Robert Orr)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:56:24 -0500
Subject: shapka-ushanka
Message-ID: <SAT.7.DEC.2002.135624.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

OOOOOPPPPSSSS!!!!!

apologies to anyone who was personally offended by my private posting.

pressed the wrong button, and on such an emerging contentious issue too!

Robert Orr

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From paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM  Sat Dec  7 18:28:34 2002
From: paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM (Paul B. Gallagher)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:28:34 -0500
Subject: Russian spell-check tools
Message-ID: <SAT.7.DEC.2002.132834.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Valery Merlin wrote:

> Would  appreciate if anybody could direct to Russian spell-check
> software on the web.

Microsoft's Office Proofing Tools:
<http://office.microsoft.com/assistance/2002/articles/ofUseOffice2002ProofingTools.aspx>

The above is not a sales pitch or an endorsement.
Consider all options and make your best decision.

--
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--
Paul B. Gallagher
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From sher07 at MINDSPRING.COM  Sat Dec  7 18:59:23 2002
From: sher07 at MINDSPRING.COM (Benjamin Sher)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:59:23 -0600
Subject: Russian spell-check tools
In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20021207175208.008548f0@h2.hum.huji.ac.il>
Message-ID: <SAT.7.DEC.2002.125923.0600.>

Dear Valery:

Try Fingertip Software (commercial site) at:

http://www.cyrillic.com

Benjamin

On 7 Dec 2002 at 17:52, merlin wrote:

> Would  appreciate if anybody could direct to Russian spell-check software
> on the web.
>
> Valery Merlin
>
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http://www.websher.net
Benjamin and Anna Sher
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From eb7 at NYU.EDU  Sat Dec  7 19:24:32 2002
From: eb7 at NYU.EDU (Eliot Borenstein)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:24:32 -0500
Subject: Komsomol Age Limit
In-Reply-To: <006501c29e21$ead481e0$08aa6395@uottawa.ca>
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Dear Colleagues,

Does anyone know off-hand what the age limit for Komsomol membership
was in the USSR?  Was it constant, or did it change over time?

Thanks,

Eliot Borenstein

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From shevelenko at MAIL.LANCK.NET  Sat Dec  7 19:34:45 2002
From: shevelenko at MAIL.LANCK.NET (Irina Shevelenko)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 22:34:45 +0300
Subject: Komsomol Age Limit
Message-ID: <SAT.7.DEC.2002.223445.0300.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

14 through 28 years old. From the 1970s, at least, this was the case. I am
not certain about earlier periods.

Eliot Borenstein wrote:

> Dear Colleagues,
>
> Does anyone know off-hand what the age limit for Komsomol membership
> was in the USSR?  Was it constant, or did it change over time?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eliot Borenstein
>
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From burak at GERMSLAV.UFL.EDU  Sat Dec  7 20:05:04 2002
From: burak at GERMSLAV.UFL.EDU (Alexander Burak)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 15:05:04 -0500
Subject: Komsomol Age Limit
In-Reply-To: <3DF24D55.1B984E80@mail.lanck.net>
Message-ID: <SAT.7.DEC.2002.150504.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

At 10:34 PM 12/7/02 +0300, you wrote:

But if you were na vibornoy komsomol'skoy rabote/dolzhnosti, you could
remain a card-bearing member until the age of 35.

Alex Burak.

>14 through 28 years old. From the 1970s, at least, this was the case. I am
>not certain about earlier periods.
>
>Eliot Borenstein wrote:
>
> > Dear Colleagues,
> >
> > Does anyone know off-hand what the age limit for Komsomol membership
> > was in the USSR?  Was it constant, or did it change over time?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Eliot Borenstein
> >
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From marydelle at EARTHLINK.NET  Sat Dec  7 20:38:15 2002
From: marydelle at EARTHLINK.NET (Mary Delle LeBeau)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:38:15 -0800
Subject: Spell Check
Message-ID: <SAT.7.DEC.2002.123815.0800.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Valery Merlin wrote:

> Would  appreciate if anybody could direct to Russian spell-check
> software on the web.

Fingertip software offers a program I have used with good results.
http://www.fingertipsoft.com/proofing/index.html

Mary Delle LeBeau

South Pasadena CA
(626)799-4515
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From marydelle at EARTHLINK.NET  Sat Dec  7 20:41:51 2002
From: marydelle at EARTHLINK.NET (Mary Delle LeBeau)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:41:51 -0800
Subject: Spell Check
In-Reply-To: <3DF1EBB7.3949.141392@localhost>
Message-ID: <SAT.7.DEC.2002.124151.0800.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

So sorry for the multiple posting.

Mary Delle LeBeau

On 7 Dec 2002, at 12:38, Mary Delle LeBeau wrote:

> Valery Merlin wrote:
>
> > Would  appreciate if anybody could direct to Russian spell-check
> > software on the web.
>
> Fingertip software offers a program I have used with good results.
> http://www.fingertipsoft.com/proofing/index.html
>
> Mary Delle LeBeau
>
> South Pasadena CA
> (626)799-4515
> marydelle at earthlink.net
>
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From uladzik at MAILBOX.HU  Sun Dec  8 05:49:56 2002
From: uladzik at MAILBOX.HU (Uladzimir Katkouski)
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 06:49:56 +0100
Subject: bel.lang.
In-Reply-To: <3DF1EBB7.3949.141392@localhost>
Message-ID: <SUN.8.DEC.2002.064956.0100.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Hello there SEELANGers,

I've been lurking around for a while (really enjoying reading some of
the discussion threads!), and now decided to remind about my small
language site. There have been several major updates in the recent
months, to name just a few:

-- Turkish-Belarusian Phrasebook of 1836 --
http://www.pravapis.org/d_turkish_belarusian.asp
-- Jewish religious songs in Belarusian --
http://www.pravapis.org/art_jewish_belarus.asp
-- Kitabs, the unique highlight of the Belarusian language --
http://www.pravapis.org/art_kitab1_en.asp
-- Belarusan ABC for kids in Lacinka (New York, 1964) --
http://www.pravapis.org/download.asp

Best regards,
Uladzimir
http://www.pravapis.org/





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From mp at MIPCO.COM  Sun Dec  8 20:31:40 2002
From: mp at MIPCO.COM (Michael Peltsman)
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:31:40 -0600
Subject: Unusual Look at Brodsky and Dostoyevsky
Message-ID: <SUN.8.DEC.2002.143140.0600.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Unusual Look at Brodsky and Dostoyevsky in Literary Journal "General
Erotic" http://www.mipco.com/win/GEr.html :

No.5 Dostoyevsky u Tihona, Armalinsky u Matreshi
http://www.mipco.com/win/GEr5.html
No. 36 Sex v poezii Brodskogo http://www.mipco.com/win/GEr36.html

I am not sure about professors but students will love it.

Michael Peltsman

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From kaunas4 at RCN.COM  Mon Dec  9 00:45:25 2002
From: kaunas4 at RCN.COM (richard)
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 19:45:25 -0500
Subject: bel.lang.
Message-ID: <SUN.8.DEC.2002.194525.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Uladzimir Katkouski" <uladzik at MAILBOX.HU>
To: <SEELANGS at listserv.cuny.edu>
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 12:49 AM
Subject: [SEELANGS] bel.lang.


Hello there SEELANGers,

I've been lurking around for a while (really enjoying reading some of
the discussion threads!), and now decided to remind about my small
language site. There have been several major updates in the recent
months, to name just a few:

-- Turkish-Belarusian Phrasebook of 1836 --
http://www.pravapis.org/d_turkish_belarusian.asp
-- Jewish religious songs in Belarusian --
http://www.pravapis.org/art_jewish_belarus.asp
-- Kitabs, the unique highlight of the Belarusian language --
http://www.pravapis.org/art_kitab1_en.asp
-- Belarusan ABC for kids in Lacinka (New York, 1964) --
http://www.pravapis.org/download.asp

Best regards,
Uladzimir
http://www.pravapis.org/





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r Sir,

    Where may I buy books to learn the Belorussian
    language?
    Thanks,
     Richard

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From mdenner at STETSON.EDU  Mon Dec  9 17:34:13 2002
From: mdenner at STETSON.EDU (Michael Denner)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 12:34:13 -0500
Subject: Eugene Onegin criticism
Message-ID: <MON.9.DEC.2002.123413.0500.MDENNER@STETSON.EDU>

Dear SEELANGers,

I'm finishing syllabus for a course on Pushkin and _Eugene Onegin_ next
semester, and I thought I'd solicit opinion/advice from list members for
secondary criticism on EO. All the students are either native speakers or
intermediate/advanced Russian students. I'm looking for another 3-5 pieces
of criticism in English (I don't think it realistic to expect some of the
students to read criticism in Russian) that represent the best & most
approachable articles on the work -- they can be literary criticism,
socio-historical pieces, biographical, whatever.

If anyone wants to throw out a few suggestions, I'd really appreciate it. I
don't need full citation -- just author and an approximation of the title.

Thanks in advance for your help,
mad

<><><><><><><><><><><><>
Michael A. Denner
Russian Studies Program
Stetson University
Campus Box 8361
DeLand, FL 32724
386.822.7381
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From agpein at AOL.COM  Mon Dec  9 21:32:38 2002
From: agpein at AOL.COM (Annette Pein)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:32:38 -0500
Subject: Winter Notes
Message-ID: <MON.9.DEC.2002.163238.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Regarding Vladimir Bilenkin's inquiry about Winter Notes:

The only edition of Winter Notes by Northwestern I am aware of is a hardback
and just too costly.

I just ordered the paperback edition of Winter Notes (by Northwestern) for
a course this past fall, and it was rather inexpensive.  The ISBN  is 0-
8101-1518-2.  I don't know whether the Pushkin speech exists in paperback,
too, or in an edition together with the Winter Notes.
Annette Pein
Lecturer in History and Literature
Harvard University

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From mdenner at STETSON.EDU  Mon Dec  9 22:06:10 2002
From: mdenner at STETSON.EDU (Michael Denner)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 17:06:10 -0500
Subject: Winter Notes
In-Reply-To: <SEELANGS%2002120916423892@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
Message-ID: <MON.9.DEC.2002.170610.0500.>

Apropos of the Pushkin speech...
So far as I know, there's one translation by Koteliansky: 0048910147 (of
Virginia Woolf fame). It's a bit hard to find, but I found two copies listed
at www.half.com (more exactly,
http://half.ebay.com/cat/buy/prod.cgi?cpid=2669755&meta_id=null) and 6
copies at www.abebooks.com (search: Dream of a Queer Fellow).

Best,
mad
<><><><><><><><><><><><>
Michael A. Denner
Russian Studies Program
Stetson University
Campus Box 8361
DeLand, FL 32724
386.822.7381
http://www.stetson.edu/organizations/russian_club/mypage.htm


-----Original Message-----
From: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list
[mailto:SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of Annette Pein
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 4:33 PM
To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] Winter Notes


Regarding Vladimir Bilenkin's inquiry about Winter Notes:

The only edition of Winter Notes by Northwestern I am aware of is a hardback
and just too costly.

I just ordered the paperback edition of Winter Notes (by Northwestern) for
a course this past fall, and it was rather inexpensive.  The ISBN  is 0-
8101-1518-2.  I don't know whether the Pushkin speech exists in paperback,
too, or in an edition together with the Winter Notes.
Annette Pein
Lecturer in History and Literature
Harvard University

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From uladzik at MAILBOX.HU  Tue Dec 10 11:09:48 2002
From: uladzik at MAILBOX.HU (Uladzimir Katkouski)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:09:48 +0100
Subject: bel.lang.
In-Reply-To: <000b01c29f1c$437a89c0$7cc23bd0@cable.rcn.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.10.DEC.2002.120948.0100.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

richard <kaunas4 at RCN.COM> wrote:

>----- Original Message -----
> Where may I buy books to learn the Belorussian language?
> Thanks,
> Richard

Hi Richard,

Unfortunately, I don't know many resources in English. Perhaps,
professor Curt Woolhiser (who also happens to be a member of this list)
can give you some useful pointers. I am currently living in Germany, and
for example, recently I a German-Belarusan phrasebook called
"Weissrussisch (Belarus) Wort fuer Wort." It comes with an audio tape.
There are some typos and stupid mistakes, but overall this book could be
a good starting point for a beginner. I also have some study guides on
my site.

...And an IMPORTANT note to you and other SEELANG members:

I have to apologize for my previous announcement regarding pravapis.org
updates. Several hours ago my webhoster sent me an email informing me
that the site will be down until the so called "nameservers" will be
change, and that usually takes up to 48 hours. So for the next two days
pravapis.org will most probably be down. Sorry about that!

Kind regards,
Uladzimir




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From theresa at BABELFIELD.COM  Tue Dec 10 13:01:15 2002
From: theresa at BABELFIELD.COM (theresa arnold)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:01:15 +0100
Subject: Polish literature translated to English
Message-ID: <TUE.10.DEC.2002.140115.0100.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

greetings,

i am interested in finding possible sources for funding/copublishing a
reference book (and accompanying web materials)of Polish literature
that has been translated in to English.  i have found a number of leads
in terms of U.S. associations, but would like more information about
universities as well as sources outside of the U.S.   in particular, i
would like to focus on Polish entities.

tried to do something like this a few years ago, but found that there
just wasn't enough interest to do the work necessary to put out a good
source.

any thoughts or suggestions would be most welcome.


theresa arnold, MSEd
http://babelguides.com
theresa at babelguides.com
................................
teach the world--through literature

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From infodesk at POSTMAN.RU  Tue Dec 10 13:54:18 2002
From: infodesk at POSTMAN.RU (infodesk)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:54:18 +0300
Subject: 2003 Tver Summer School of Russian Language and Culture
Message-ID: <TUE.10.DEC.2002.165418.0300.INFODESK@POSTMAN.RU>

Dear List Members,

Tver InterContact Group and its International Russian Language
Institute open enrollment for the NINTH SUMMER SCHOOL OF RUSSIAN
LANGUAGE AND CULTURE. Please share this message with interested
students and/or colleagues.

Program Information:
DATES: June 16 - September 7, 2003
SITE: The Institute is located in the city of Tver lying between
the two largest cities in Russia, 167 kilometers from Moscow and
485 kilometers from St. Petersburg. Tver's unique location on the
main route between Moscow (2-3 hours) and St. Petersburg (5-6 hours)
allows students to enjoy the relaxed pace and friendly environment of
the provinces, but also allows for easy access to Russia's two capital cities.
PARTICIPATION:  Open for beginner, intermediate, and advanced
students/professionals/amateurs
FIELDS OF STUDY: Russian language, Area Studies
(History, Culture, Literature, Politics, Cinema), Arts and
Crafts (singing, drawing, music, folklore)
CULTURAL ENRICHMENT PROGRAM: weekly out-of-town excursions,
weekly local visits and excursions
FORMATS:  Rolling enrollment for periods from two to 12 weeks
June through September
ACCOMMODATION:  Private apartment or family homestay (half-board)
DEADLINE: If visa support required, application is due no later
than one month prior to the commencement of the course
CERTIFICATES:  Certificates of Attendance are issued, transcripts appended
SERVICES: Visa support and registration, airport transfer,
free unlimited Internet and computer access
DETAILS:  For details and references please visit
our website www.volga.net
CONTACTS: Dr. Marina Oborina, Academic Programs Director,
Tver InterContact Group <infodesk at postman.ru>
Darya Motorkina, Student Support Services,
Tver InterContact Group <dmotorkina at yahoo.com>

International Institute of Russian Language and Culture
c/o Tver InterContact Group
P.O. Box 0565, Central Post Office
Tver 170000, Russia
Tel:    +7.0822.425419 or .425439
Fax:    +7.0822.426210



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From e.gapova at WORLDNET.ATT.NET  Tue Dec 10 13:49:20 2002
From: e.gapova at WORLDNET.ATT.NET (Elena Gapova)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:49:20 -0500
Subject: Polish literature translated to English
Message-ID: <TUE.10.DEC.2002.084920.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

You might want to go to The SIEC [network in Polish] at
http://users.erols.com/mietek/ , an independent Polish-American
English-language electronic news bulletin.

Elena Gapova

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From ilon at UT.EE  Tue Dec 10 14:00:44 2002
From: ilon at UT.EE (I.F.)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:00:44 +0200
Subject: ruthenia news
Message-ID: <TUE.10.DEC.2002.160044.0200.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

NOVOSTI SAITA "RUTHENIA"

-----------------------------
Adres dlya podpiski na rassylku novostei saita "Ruthenia"
http://www.ruthenia.ru/subscribe.html

Chtoby otkazat'sya ot rassylki, zaidite, pozhaluista, na stranitsu
http://www.ruthenia.ru/subscribe.html ili napishite pis'mo po adresu
staff at ruthenia.ru
-----------------------------
Dobryi den'!

Studia Russica Helsingiensia et Tartuensia VIII
http://www.ruthenia.ru/document/519901.html

Konferentsiya "Svoi ili chuzhie? Vzglyad evreev i slavyan drug na druga"
(26-28
noyabrya 2002, Moskva)
http://www.ruthenia.ru/document/518093.html

Yarmarka "non/fiction" (27 noyabrya - 2 dekabrya 2002, Moskva)
http://www.ruthenia.ru/document/518073.html

Karsavinskaya konferentsiya (2-4 dekabrya 2002, Vil'nyus-Kaunas)
http://www.ruthenia.ru/document/518196.html

Konferentsiya "Russkii Berlin: 1920-1945 gg." (16-18 dekabrya 2002, Moskva)
http://www.ruthenia.ru/document/518186.html

Chehovskie chteniya (14-20 aprelya 2003, Yalta)
http://www.ruthenia.ru/document/518153.html

Konferentsiya "Nasledie V.V. Kozhinova i aktual'nye problemy kritiki,
literaturovedeniya, istorii, filosofii" (6-8 maya 2003, Armavir)
http://www.ruthenia.ru/document/518133.html

Stat'ya Mariny Grishakovoi  "Dve zametki o V. Nabokove" // Trudy po russkoi
i
slavyanskoi filologii. Literaturovedenie. IV (Novaya seriya). Tartu, 2001.
S.
247-259.
http://www.ruthenia.ru/document/519897.html
Obsuzhdenie publikatsii
http://www.ruthenia.ru/board/board.phtml?topic=2501

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From raeruder at UKY.EDU  Tue Dec 10 20:02:00 2002
From: raeruder at UKY.EDU (Cynthia A. Ruder)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:02:00 -0500
Subject: Slovak Christmas
Message-ID: <TUE.10.DEC.2002.150200.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

PLEASE REPLY OFF LIST TO ME AT raeruder at uky.edu

Colleagues:
        A colleague in our Medical Center will be hosting two Slovak
guests for Christmas.  In order to make their visit special, he would
like to know how to say Merry Christmas and Happy New Year in Slovak.
In addition, he wants to know what kinds of music/films might be
available for him to rent or buy in order to provide some diversions
for them in Slovak.  In addition, if you have any suggestions for
traditional dishes to serve, they would be most welcome.
        Thank you in advance for your help.  Please reply to me OFF
LIST at raeruder at uky.edu.

Sincerely, Cindy Ruder
--
Cynthia A. Ruder, Associate Professor   859-257-7026
Director, Russian & Eastern Studies             859-257-3743 (fax)
University of Kentucky                  raeruder at uky.edu
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From chaikad at EARTHLINK.NET  Wed Dec 11 00:06:37 2002
From: chaikad at EARTHLINK.NET (David Chaika)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:06:37 -0500
Subject: quick brown fox
In-Reply-To: <200212062050.18kwV96d03NZFji0@eagle>
Message-ID: <TUE.10.DEC.2002.190637.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Wish I could give you the URL where I got these. Sorted by length.

?? "????? ? ?????". ??????????? ??????? ?? 33 ???? - ?????? ?? ??????.

??? ????? ???? ?????. ???? ?????? ??? ????!
????-????????? ???? ???? ???? ?? ????? ?? ????? ??????.
????? ??? ???? ?????? ??????????? ?????, ?? ????? ?? ???.
??, ????????, ?????? ??????????: "??? ?? ??? ?????????, ????!"
??????? ???? ???????? ????? ??????? ????? ???? ??????? ??????.
?????? ?????????? ???????????? ??????? ?????: ??, ??? ?????? ???
???? ????????? ??, ???? ?????? ?????? ??????????, ??? - ???? ???!
???????????? ??? ?????????? ???? ? ???????? ?????????? ??????? ????????.
?????????????? ????????? ??? ??????? ????? ??????? ? ???????????? ????????.
? ??? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ??????? ????? ? ???????? ?????? ????? ? ?????.
???????? ????? ?? ????????????? ??????? ???? ??? ??????????? ???????
???????.
??????? ?????????????? ????? ???????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????? ?????????
?????????.
??????? ? ??? ? ???????? ?????? - ???? ? ??????? - ?????????, ??????,
??????? ?? ???? ??.
Wish I could give you the URL where I got these, but I can't find it:

??????????? ? --

? ????? ??? ??? ??? ??????... - ??, ?? ????????? ??????????!
????? ???????? ????? ????? ????? ??????? ????????? ???????????????.
???????? ???????? ????? ??????? ?????????? ?? ???????????????? ??????????.
????? ?? ???? ????? ???????? ? ?????, ?????, ????? ? ????????? ?? ?????? - ?
? ????.
??????? ???? ??????, ?, ??? ???????????, ???????????? ??? ???? ? ?????? ??
????? ????.


??????????? ? --

??????-???? "??????????? ???????????? ?????" (? 12345 ?????? ? 67890
????????).

????? ??? ????????? ?????, ????????? ????? ???????? ??????? ?? ?????.

?????????? ????????????????? ???????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????????.

????????????? ???????? ?????? ??? ???????? ?????????? ? ?????.

??????????????? ????? ????? ??????? ?/????????? ????. ???? ?????
(1234567890+= .?-)
???????????, ??????? ?????? ??????????? ??????? F-2000 ??? ????????????????.

____________________________
David Chaika



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From paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM  Wed Dec 11 01:01:53 2002
From: paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM (Paul B. Gallagher)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:01:53 -0500
Subject: quick brown fox
Message-ID: <TUE.10.DEC.2002.200153.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

David Chaika wrote:

> Wish I could give you the URL where I got these. Sorted by length.

I'd settle for the text, m'self...

Sorry, don't know the Outlook settings for 8-bit Cyrillic.
You've got it set for seven bits, which is presumably responsible
for turning everything to question marks.

--
War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left.
--
Paul B. Gallagher
pbg translations, inc.
"Russian Translations That Read Like Originals"
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From kcargill at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU  Wed Dec 11 01:55:47 2002
From: kcargill at EMAIL.ARIZONA.EDU (K Cargill)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:55:47 -0700
Subject: Pushkin Speech in the Writer's Diary
Message-ID: <TUE.10.DEC.2002.185547.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Kenneth Lantz's two volume translation of the _Writer's Diary_ contains,
in the penultimate year, the Pushkin Speech along with D.'s "Explanatory
Note."

I bought the Diary on Amazon a while ago very cheaply.

Kenny Cargill

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From agleader at LEADERPASCAL.CO.UK  Wed Dec 11 22:20:43 2002
From: agleader at LEADERPASCAL.CO.UK (AG Leader)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 23:20:43 +0100
Subject: Polish literature translated to English
In-Reply-To: <77114124-0C3F-11D7-BEA5-000393C5036A@babelfield.com>
Message-ID: <WED.11.DEC.2002.232043.0100.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Theresa (and anyone else who is interested)

I have a complete database of everything (although there must be a few gaps)
registered with the library of congress from 1870 or so.

It can be searched at http://www.polishwriting.net
by title, translator, and author.


Regards

Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list
[mailto:SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of theresa arnold
Sent: 10 December 2002 14:01
To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: [SEELANGS] Polish literature translated to English


greetings,

i am interested in finding possible sources for funding/copublishing a
reference book (and accompanying web materials)of Polish literature
that has been translated in to English.  i have found a number of leads
in terms of U.S. associations, but would like more information about
universities as well as sources outside of the U.S.   in particular, i
would like to focus on Polish entities.

tried to do something like this a few years ago, but found that there
just wasn't enough interest to do the work necessary to put out a good
source.

any thoughts or suggestions would be most welcome.


theresa arnold, MSEd
http://babelguides.com
theresa at babelguides.com
................................
teach the world--through literature

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From chaikad at EARTHLINK.NET  Thu Dec 12 01:24:34 2002
From: chaikad at EARTHLINK.NET (David Chaika)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:24:34 -0500
Subject: SEELANGS Digest - 9 Dec 2002 to 10 Dec 2002 (#2002-320)
In-Reply-To: <200212102050.18lYPe4lh3NZFjV0@sparrow.mail.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <WED.11.DEC.2002.202434.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Thanks, Paul. There is nothing more embarrassing... I changed my Outlook
settings and I hope that this time the text comes out in readable form here.
As before, it looks ok on my screen. The first one may not count for
purists - it is really three sentences.

Из "Науки и жизни". Предложение состоит из 33 букв - короче не бывает.
Экс граф? Плюш изъят. Бьём чуждый цен хвощ!

Южно-эфиопский грач увёл мышь за хобот на съезд ящериц.
Съешь ещё этих мягких французских булок, да выпей же чаю.
Эх, взъярюсь, толкну флегматика: "Дал бы щец жарчайших, Петр!"
Шалящий фавн прикинул объём горячих звезд этих вьюжных царств.
Вопрос футбольных энциклопедий замещая чушью: эй, где съеден ёж?
Блеф разъедает ум, чаще цыгана живёшь беспокойно, юля - грех это!
Флегматичная эта верблюдица жует у подъезда засыхающий горький шиповник.
Аэрофотосъёмка ландшафта уже выявила земли богачей и процветающих крестьян.
А ещё хорошо бы уметь всем на зависть чётко и наглядно писать буквы и цифры.
Подъехал шофёр на рефрижераторе грузить яйца для обучающихся элитных
медиков.
Широкая электрификация южных губерний даст мощный толчок подъёму сельского
хозяйства.
Вступив в бой с шипящими змеями - эфой и гадюкой - маленький, цепкий,
храбрый ёж съел их.

Отсутствует Ё --

В чащах юга жил был цитрус... - да, но фальшивый экземпляръ!
Оковы праздной жизни сулят много больших огорчений развлекающемуся.
Привычка жениться может пагубно отразиться на профессиональных отношениях.
Борец за идею Чочхэ выступил с гиком, шумом, жаром и фырканьем на съезде - и
в ящик.
Однажды съев фейхуа, я, как зацикленный, ностальгирую все чаще и больше по
этому чуду.


Отсутствует Ъ --

Мюзикл-буфф "Огнедышащий простужается ночью" (в 12345 сценах и 67890
эпизодах).
Обдав его удушающей пылью, множество ярких фаэтонов исчезло из цирка.
Безмозглый широковещательный цифровой передатчик сужающихся экспонент.
Шифровальщица попросту забыла ряд ключевых множителей и тэгов.

БУКВОПЕЧАТАЮЩЕЙ СВЯЗИ НУЖНЫ ХОРОШИЕ Э/МАГНИТНЫЕ РЕЛЕ. ДАТЬ ЦИФРЫ
(1234567890+=,.?-)
Предложение, которое выдает телеграфный аппарат F-2000 при самотестировании.


____________________________
David Chaika



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From paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM  Thu Dec 12 01:37:28 2002
From: paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM (Paul B. Gallagher)
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:37:28 -0500
Subject: SEELANGS Digest - 9 Dec 2002 to 10 Dec 2002(#2002-320)
Message-ID: <WED.11.DEC.2002.203728.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

David Chaika wrote:

> Thanks, Paul. There is nothing more embarrassing... I changed my
> Outlook settings and I hope that this time the text comes out in
> readable form here. As before, it looks ok on my screen. The first
> one may not count for purists - it is really three sentences.

Beautiful, thanks.

--
War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left.
--
Paul B. Gallagher
pbg translations, inc.
"Russian Translations That Read Like Originals"
http://pbg-translations.com

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From mllemily at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU  Thu Dec 12 11:05:59 2002
From: mllemily at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU (Emily Tall)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:05:59 +0000
Subject: free books
Message-ID: <THU.12.DEC.2002.110559.0000.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Hi there. Would anyone be interested in the following 3 books (you pay
postage and packing cost): 1) History of Russian Literature from the
eleventh century to the end of the baroque, 1960, Dmitrij Cizevskij; 2)
"Izbornik: (sbornik proizvedenii literatury drevnei Rusi)," Moscow,
1969, color illustrations; Old Russian text with modern Russian facing
it; 3) "Anthology of Old Russian Literature," ed. Ad. Stender-Peterson,
1966. All are in good condition.
    Please reply off list. If there are any takers, I'll find out the
postage etc., and let you know.
    Emily Tall, mllemily at acsu.buffalo.edu

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From kaunas4 at RCN.COM  Thu Dec 12 15:44:36 2002
From: kaunas4 at RCN.COM (Richard Tomback)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:44:36 -0500
Subject: free books
Message-ID: <THU.12.DEC.2002.104436.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

dear emily,
i am very interested in your books for a  russian history
couse planned for my school next year.

please respond asap

thank you,
richard tomback

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From thobe at LAFN.ORG  Thu Dec 12 16:27:07 2002
From: thobe at LAFN.ORG (Glenn Thobe)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:27:07 -0800
Subject: free books
In-Reply-To: <3DF86D97.A62DFFA3@acsu.buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.12.DEC.2002.082707.0800.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

>From owner-seelangs at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU  Thu Dec 12 08:12:14 2002
X-Accept-Language: en
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Date:         Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:05:59 +0000
From: Emily Tall <mllemily at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>
Subject:      [SEELANGS] free books
To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
X-UIDL: ]T7!!ClQ!!@3B!!18b"!

> 2) "Izbornik: (sbornik proizvedenii literatury drevnei Rusi)," Moscow,
> 1969, color illustrations; Old Russian text with modern Russian facing
> it;

This sounds very interesting.  I'd be happy to pick up the postage for
this.  Is USPS third class (BOOK RATE) still the cheapest for books?

-Glenn Thobe <thobe at lafn.org>

Address:
6701 De Soto Ave. #135
Canoga Park, CA 91303

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From balugo at EMORY.EDU  Thu Dec 12 18:53:25 2002
From: balugo at EMORY.EDU (B. Amarilis Lugo de Fabritz)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 13:53:25 -0500
Subject: Video reference...
In-Reply-To: <a05100308ba195a2d9268@[216.17.5.187]>
Message-ID: <THU.12.DEC.2002.135325.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELangtsy,
I was wondering if anyone had up to date contact information for Video el
Canada.

Amarilis Lugo de Fabritz
Emory University

**************************************************

B. Amarilis Lugo de Fabritz, Ph. D.
Russian and East Asian Languages and Cultures
Emory University
404-727-2168
balugo at emory.edu
http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~balugo/

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From mclellan at GSS.UCSB.EDU  Thu Dec 12 20:12:36 2002
From: mclellan at GSS.UCSB.EDU (Larry Mclellan)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:12:36 -0800
Subject: Accommodations in Moscow
Message-ID: <THU.12.DEC.2002.121236.0800.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELANGS colleagues,

This fall I had two very responsible, mature students on exchange from
Germany for one quarter.  They are planning to go to Moscow in the winter
to do internships in German banks and they're having difficulty finding a
place to live.  They would like to rent a single room.  The details of
their dates in Moscow, work locations, and so on are given below.  If
anyone has any suggestions of possible accommodations, would you be so
kind as to contact Svenja Tillmann directly at:

<Svenja.Tillmann at gmx.de>

Thank you for any advice you may have.

Regards,
Larry McLellan


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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 06:04:28 +0100
From: Svenja Tillmann <Svenja.Tillmann at gmx.de>
Subject: Accommondation in Moscow


-We will be there from about Jan 13th to March 16th (hopefully)

-We are searching for an accommondtion near to the places we will work
(The metro stops are Kutuovskaya or Fili (Svenja) and Kurskaya (Silvia) on
the east and west of the circle line.)

-If possible we would like to stay in one apartment/family (sharing one room
is no problem)

Thank you very much for your help.

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From andrews at GEORGETOWN.EDU  Thu Dec 12 20:10:09 2002
From: andrews at GEORGETOWN.EDU (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:10:09 -0500
Subject: FW: [SEELANGS] Mac System X and Cyrillic keyboards
In-Reply-To: <p0510030bba0c2d84a635@[128.104.49.205]>
Message-ID: <THU.12.DEC.2002.151009.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELANGERS:

Several people requested that I reply to the list if/when I was able to
resolve my problem with Cyrillic keyboard layouts and Mac System X, and I am
happy to be able to do so now.  Ben Rifkin and Dianna Murphy both forwarded
me the instructions below; I followed the ones for 10.2, and am now up and
running.  (Thanks also to the two other people who sent me similar
instructions.)

As you will read, all you have to do is add ".rsrc" (without the quotes) to
the name of a keyboard layout and add it into the keyboard layout folder in
the user's library.  Then you can go and select the keyboard under the
International icon in Systems Preferences, and the keyboard will appear in
the menu just like before.  One caveat: At first I was having a problem
because I was trying to add fonts and keyboards to the library in the System
X folder itself, and I kept getting the message that these folders could not
be modified.  Where they had to go was in the library under the "Users"
folder.  This is something different for Mac users, who have always been
used to being able to modify the system directly.

Best regards,
David Andrews

------ Forwarded Message
From: Benjamin Rifkin <brifkin at facstaff.wisc.edu>
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 14:32:25 -0600
To: andrews at georgetown.edu
Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] Mac System X and Cyrillic keyboards

Dear David:

Try this ---

http://cet.middlebury.edu/QWERTYCyrillic.sea.hqx

(best phonetic Macintosh keyboard I have ever used)

+ this information

Mac OS X 10.2 (Jaguar)
If you have Jaguar installed, the keyboard installation is a breeze. All you
need is find your favorite OS 9 keyboard file, add .rsrc extension to its
name and put it in /Library/Keyboard Layouts folder. After that log out and
log back in. Your keyboard will be listed in the International control
panel.
If you don't have an OS 9 keyboard that you are accustomed to, you can grab
Russian Phonetic and Ukrainian Phonetic keyboards from me. In both
keyboards,
you can use Option key to access English letters.

Mac OS X 10.1
If you don't have Jaguar, then things are a bit harder. The steps below are
not for the weak at heart, since they assume knowledge of ResEdit and use of
Terminal. You will also need to get copy of QuickConvert utility. If you
have
no experience with ResEdit, don't have OS 9 phonetic keyboard or just don't
want to mess with it, then you can get copy of my Localized.rsrc file and
follow instructions below. My Localized.rsrc contains both Russian and
Ukrainian phonetic keyboards. The Ukrainian Keyboard layout was graciously
contributed by Yuri Yanchyshyn.

1.  Using Finder copy
/System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/HIToolbox.
fr

amework/Versions/A/Resources/English.lproj/Localized.rsrc to your Documents
folder.
2.  Make backup of this file somewhere.
3.  If you have downloaded my Localized.rsrc file, copy it to the Documents
folder and skip to step 7.
4.  In the Finder drag the Localized.rsrc file onto QuickConvert utility. It
will move resources from data fork into resource fork.
5.  Then you can open the Localized.rsrc file in ResEdit. Here you can
modify
built-in any keyboard layout or copy and paste your phonetic keyboard
resources (all except alis) from your keyboard file into Localized.rsrc.
Assign it non-conflicting id number right after built-in Russian layout.
Save
and close Localized.rsrc.
6.  Drag Localized.rsrc on top of QuickConvert again. It will switch
resources from resource fork back to data fork.
7.  Copy modified Localized.rsrc file back by typing this in Terminal (no
quotes, one line) "sudo cp ~/Documents/Localized.rsrc
/System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/HIToolbox.
fr

amework/Versions/A/Resources/English.lproj/".
Note: this is necessary because copying back requires root privileges. It
will ask you for root password.
8.  Logout and log back in. You should now have your new keyboard listed in
the International control panel.

I hope this is helpful!

All my best,

Ben



>Dear Mac-user Colleagues:
>
>We have just gotten new computers at work, and I am now on Macintosh System
>X.  My problem: the phonetic (AATSEEL/QWERTY) keyboard layouts, including the
>one I had on my computer before and all the ones available on the AATSEEL web
>site, don't seem to work with System X.  Does anyone have a solution, or else
>some System X-compatible software to recommend?  If so, I'd be grateful if
>you'd reply to:
>
>andrews at georgetown.edu
>
>Best regards,
>David Andrews
>Georgetown University
>
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Professor of Slavic Languages, Slavic Dept., UW-Madison
1432 Van Hise Hall, 1220 Linden Dr.
Madison, WI  53706 USA
voice: 608/262-1623; fax: 608/265-2814
http://polyglot.lss.wisc.edu/slavic/rifkin/

Director of the Russian School
Middlebury College, Middlebury, VT  05753
voice:  802/443-5533; fax: 802/443-5394
http://www.middlebury.edu/~ls/russian/


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From brifkin at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU  Thu Dec 12 20:28:54 2002
From: brifkin at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU (Benjamin Rifkin)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:28:54 -0600
Subject: FW: [SEELANGS] Mac System X and Cyrillic keyboards
In-Reply-To: <BA1E5751.1EC%andrews@georgetown.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.12.DEC.2002.142854.0600.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Credit has to go to Jack Franke of DLI, who gave both Dianna and me
the suggestions.

- BR



>Dear SEELANGERS:
>
>Several people requested that I reply to the list if/when I was able to
>resolve my problem with Cyrillic keyboard layouts and Mac System X, and I am
>happy to be able to do so now.  Ben Rifkin and Dianna Murphy both forwarded
>me the instructions below; I followed the ones for 10.2, and am now up and
>running.  (Thanks also to the two other people who sent me similar
>instructions.)
>
>As you will read, all you have to do is add ".rsrc" (without the quotes) to
>the name of a keyboard layout and add it into the keyboard layout folder in
>the user's library.  Then you can go and select the keyboard under the
>International icon in Systems Preferences, and the keyboard will appear in
>the menu just like before.  One caveat: At first I was having a problem
>because I was trying to add fonts and keyboards to the library in the System
>X folder itself, and I kept getting the message that these folders could not
>be modified.  Where they had to go was in the library under the "Users"
>folder.  This is something different for Mac users, who have always been
>used to being able to modify the system directly.
>
>Best regards,
>David Andrews
>

--
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Benjamin Rifkin

Professor of Slavic Languages, Slavic Dept., UW-Madison
1432 Van Hise Hall, 1220 Linden Drive
Madison, WI 53706 USA
voice:  (608) 262-1623; fax: (608) 265-2814
http://polyglot.lss.wisc.edu/slavic/rifkin/


Director, Russian School, Middlebury College
Freeman International Center
Middlebury, VT 05753 USA
voice: (802) 443-5533; fax: (802) 443-5394
http://www.middlebury.edu/~ls/russian/

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From vbelyanin at MTU.RU  Fri Dec 13 14:02:29 2002
From: vbelyanin at MTU.RU (Belianine Valeri)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:02:29 -0500
Subject: Soviet Language
Message-ID: <FRI.13.DEC.2002.090229.0500.VBELYANIN@MTU.RU>

Dear friends!
Those who know about Soviet Union should know what is "the winner of
socialist competition", "red corner" or "the moral code of the builder
of communism". But do they know what is "Trotscky-Zinovyev block" or
"stiljaga", or "tselinnink"?
Maria Kheveshi - a prominent Russian philosopher from the Institute of
Philosophy of Russian Academy of Sciences - will deliver a lecture on
social and political myths and illusions of the Stalinist epoch and
their reflection in language. She will present a newly published
"Concise Dictionary of Political and Ideological Notions of the Soviet Time".

The lecture will take place in CREES, Munk Centre for International
Studies, University of Toronto (1 Devonshire Place M5S 3K7) Room 108
North Building. " on the 16-th of December 2002 at 2 p.m.
Telephone: (416) 946-8994 Janet Hyer.

Дорогие друзья!
Возможно, многие из нас знают, что такое "победитель соцсоревнования",
"красный уголок", "моральный кодекс строителя коммунизма", а многие ли
помнят, что такое "троцкистско-зиновьевский блок", "стиляга", "целинник"?

Приехавшая из Москвы философ Мария Хевеши (автор нескольких книг про
идеологию и политику стран Восточной Европы) расскажет
о социально-политических иллюзиях и мифах сталинской эпохи, и о том,
как они отражались в языке. Она расскажет о только что изданном в
Москве "Толковом словаре политических и идеологических терминов
советского периода", и у Вас будет возможность обсудить некоторые из
его статей.

Это будет в понедельник, 16 декабря, в 2 часа дня в Университете
Торонто. Лекция организована Центром русских и Восточно-европейских
исследований Университета.

Адрес:  University of Toronto, Munk Centre for International Studies
(1 Devonshire Place M5S 3K7) Room 108 North Building.
(От метро "St.George" 5 минут по улице Devonshire Place, которая
находится между University Street и St.George street, 600 метров на юг).
Справки по телефонам:
По-английски: (416) 946-8994 Janet Hyer, секретарь.
По-русски: (416) 686-0362 Валерий Белянин
Вход свободный. Приходите!

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From gsafran at STANFORD.EDU  Fri Dec 13 15:04:21 2002
From: gsafran at STANFORD.EDU (gsafran at STANFORD.EDU)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:04:21 -0800
Subject: Folklore and Literature Panel
Message-ID: <FRI.13.DEC.2002.070421.0800.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Colleagues,
We are looking for a third paper, a chair, and a commentator for a
panel for AAASS 2003.  The title is "Style and Stylization:  Literature
and Folklore in the Russian Empire."  Thus far we have two papers on
two Silver Age writers (Nikolai Kliuev and S. An-sky) who studied
folklore, wrote folkloric stylizations, and in some way modeled their
own lives (or were imagined by others) as folkloric figures.  Kliuev
wrote in Russian, An-sky in Russian and Yiddish; the third paper might
deal with any of the languages of the Empire.  We would welcome
participation by scholars of literature, history, or anthropology.
Please write back to either of us if you are interested or know someone
who might be.

Gabriella Safran (gsafran at stanford.edu) and Alexander Ogden
(ogden at sc.edu)

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From cfwoolhiser at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU  Fri Dec 13 19:22:00 2002
From: cfwoolhiser at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU (curt fredric woolhiser)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 13:22:00 -0600
Subject: Fwd: Cyrillic for All
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>Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:33:28 -0500 (EST)
>From: "Harold F. Schiffman" <haroldfs at ccat.sas.upenn.edu>
>To: Language Policy-List <lgpolicy-list at ccat.sas.upenn.edu>
>Subject: Cyrillic for All
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>
>New York Times, December 13, 2002, World Briefing: Europe
>
>    RUSSIA: CYRILLIC FOR ALL
>
>President Vladimir V. Putin signed a law to make Cyrillic the mandatory
>alphabet of Russian and the various languages of Russia's many ethnic
>republics.  Under the law, other alphabets can be used only if approved
>under special federal law. The written languages in republics like
>Chechnya and Tatarstan, for example, have varied over history between
>Arabic, Latin and Cyrillic script. Tatarstan, which has pressed for
>autonomy from Moscow, has recently begun to switch back to the Latin
>script. Chechnya has used Latin script since it declared independence in
>1991, three years before war broke out with Russia.  Sophia Kishkovsky
>(NYT)

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From djloewen at BINGHAMTON.EDU  Fri Dec 13 21:58:10 2002
From: djloewen at BINGHAMTON.EDU (Donald Loewen)
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:58:10 -0600
Subject: Shklovskii on _War and Peace_
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Greetings.
Does anyone know if Shklovskii's article on War and Peace   ("Voina i mir
L'va Tolstogo (Formal'no-sotsiologicheskoye issledovanie)" in Novyi
Lef  No. 1, 1928) has ever appeared in English?

With thanks for any help you can provide,
Don Loewen

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From beta-18 at RAMBLER.RU  Sat Dec 14 22:21:52 2002
From: beta-18 at RAMBLER.RU (Shir Elizabeth)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 01:21:52 +0300
Subject: Ona otdalas' bez upreka, //Ona tselovalas' be slez...
Message-ID: <SUN.15.DEC.2002.012152.0300.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Could anyone help me to find the poem?
Thank you,
E.Shir

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From ViktorOlevich at AOL.COM  Sat Dec 14 22:56:43 2002
From: ViktorOlevich at AOL.COM (Victor Olevich)
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 17:56:43 EST
Subject: Ona otdalas' bez upreka, //Ona tselovalas' be slez...
Message-ID: <SAT.14.DEC.2002.175643.EST.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Ona otdalas' bez upreka,
ona tselovala bez slov.
- Kak temnoe more gluboko,
kak bleschut kraia oblakov!
Ona ne tverdila "Ne nado",
Obetov ona ne zhdala.
- Kak sladostno dyshit prokhlada,
Kak taet vecherniaia mgla!
Ona ne strashilas' vozmezd'ia,
Ona ne boialas' utrat.
- Kak skazochno svetiat sozvezd'ia,
Kak zvezdy bessmertno goriat!

K. Bal'mont


In a message dated 12/14/2002 5:34:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
beta-18 at RAMBLER.RU writes:


> Could anyone help me to find the poem?
> Thank you,
> E.Shir
>

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From krylya at HOTMAIL.COM  Sun Dec 15 01:28:19 2002
From: krylya at HOTMAIL.COM (Rodney Patterson)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 01:28:19 +0000
Subject: Ona otdalas' bez upreka, //Ona tselovalas' be slez...
Message-ID: <SUN.15.DEC.2002.012819.0000.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Elizabeth,

The Bal'mont poem first appeared in his collection BUDEM KAK SOLNCE.  KNIGA
SIMVOLOV (1903) in the section ZACHAROVANNYJ GROT.  It is usually included
in one-volume sobranija sochinenija, too, doubtless because of the topic.
Sincerely, Rod Patterson
SUNYA Albany

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>Could anyone help me to find the poem?
>Thank you,
>E.Shir
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From uladzik at MAILBOX.HU  Sun Dec 15 01:41:51 2002
From: uladzik at MAILBOX.HU (Uladzimir Katkouski)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 02:41:51 +0100
Subject: Fwd: Cyrillic for All
In-Reply-To: <v04210101ba1fe3b4be93@[146.6.51.63]>
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curt fredric woolhiser <cfwoolhiser at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU> wrote:

> President Vladimir V. Putin signed a law to make Cyrillic the
mandatory
> alphabet of Russian and the various languages of Russia's many ethnic
> republics.  Under the law, other alphabets can be used only if ...


Thanks! I was surprised that SEELANGS was so silent. Or, maybe, all
those professors went through such awful pains to learn Cyrllic script
that they are not happy that KGB spy wants to outlaw any other
alphabets?

U.K.
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From uladzik at MAILBOX.HU  Sun Dec 15 02:04:10 2002
From: uladzik at MAILBOX.HU (Uladzimir Katkouski)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 03:04:10 +0100
Subject: Fwd: Cyrillic for All
In-Reply-To: <20021215014152.4461.qmail@web2.mailbox.hu>
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Sorry,

"not" = "now"

Too much Hefeweizen impaired my typing skills...

:)


Uladzimir Katkouski <uladzik at MAILBOX.HU> wrote:

> Thanks! I was surprised that SEELANGS was so silent. Or, maybe,
> all those professors went through such awful pains to learn
> Cyrllic script that they are not happy that KGB spy wants
> to outlaw any other alphabets?
> U.K.
> http://pravapis.org/



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From cfwoolhiser at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU  Sun Dec 15 05:02:15 2002
From: cfwoolhiser at MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU (curt fredric woolhiser)
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 23:02:15 -0600
Subject: More on language legislation in Russia
Message-ID: <SAT.14.DEC.2002.230215.0600.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

>
>RADIO FREE EUROPE/RADIO LIBERTY, PRAGUE, CZECH REPUBLIC
>___________________________________________________________
>RFE/RL NEWSLINE Vol. 6, No. 233, Part I, 13 December 2002
>
>
>DUMA APPROVES BILL ON STATE LANGUAGE IN SECOND READING... The State
>Duma on 11 December approved in the second reading a draft law that
>would establish Russian as the state language, ORT reported.
>According to "The Moscow Times" on 28 November, the bill requires
>that Russian be used in all official contacts and bans "foreign words
>that have commonly accepted Russian equivalents" as well as
>"vernacular, disdainful, or foul" language. However, it does not
>specify how the law would be enforced or how language offenders would
>be punished. ORT noted that contrary to earlier speculation, the
>latest version of the bill does not impose fines for distorting the
>Russian language in public. "The Moscow Times" also commented that
>since the Duma approved the bill in the first reading in June,
>deputies have loosened proposed restrictions on journalists and
>television personalities, who would be able to use prohibited
>language if it is "an inalienable part of an artistic concept." LB
>
>...BUT EXPERTS SAY IT WILL NOT WORK. Professor Vitalii Kostomarov of
>the Pushkin Institute of the Russian Language in Moscow told ORT on
>11 December that while he has long advocated state policies to
>preserve the Russian language, he expects the bill approved by the
>Duma to be a dead letter. Similarly, Professor Maksim Kronhaus,
>director of the Linguistics Institute of the Russian State Humanities
>University, described attempts to legislate foreign borrowings as
>absurd, "The Moscow Times" reported on 28 November. In addition,
>Kronhaus said the draft law under consideration in the Duma is too
>vague to be effective. For instance, it states that the rules on
>using Russian as the state language apply to "activities" of private
>organizations as well as to official contacts by state bodies. It
>also covers advertising but not brand names or "'functional' signs
>such as exit markers or stop signs." LB
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From E.Mikhailik at UNSW.EDU.AU  Sun Dec 15 08:40:55 2002
From: E.Mikhailik at UNSW.EDU.AU (Elena Mikhailik)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:40:55 +1100
Subject: A question
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Dear colleagues,

Could anybody help me with the English term for "dol'nik"?

Regards,
Elena Mikhailik

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From annaplis at MAIL.RU  Sun Dec 15 12:09:52 2002
From: annaplis at MAIL.RU (Anna Plisetskaya)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 15:09:52 +0300
Subject: A question
Message-ID: <SUN.15.DEC.2002.150952.0300.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Elena,
That's all I could find: http://www.stanford.edu/~aeakin/verse.html

dol'nik
1-2 syllable interval between ictuses, at least one interval per line is
different from the rest

I am afraid they just transliterate it.

Best,
Anna

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From eginzbur at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Sun Dec 15 14:17:39 2002
From: eginzbur at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (elizabeth ginzburg)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 08:17:39 -0600
Subject: V.M.Zhirmunsky: Ona otdalas' bez upreka...
In-Reply-To: <F92Pf4pZuKbjUC1Kpoq00003297@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <SUN.15.DEC.2002.081739.0600.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Why in Zhirmunsky's "The Rhyme: its history and theory" the quotation
from Bal'mont was it was "Ona
tselovalaS' bez slov?", not tselovala? Just a missprint?
Liza Ginzburg


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From roman.leibov at UT.EE  Sun Dec 15 14:31:32 2002
From: roman.leibov at UT.EE (R_L)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 16:31:32 +0200
Subject: A question
In-Reply-To: <003001c2a432$e8136360$fb61bcd4@computer>
Message-ID: <SUN.15.DEC.2002.163132.0200.ROMAN.LEIBOV@UT.EE>

Sunday, December 15, 2002, 2:09:52 PM, Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list wrote:

AP> Dear Elena,
AP> That's all I could find: http://www.stanford.edu/~aeakin/verse.html

AP> dol'nik
AP> 1-2 syllable interval between ictuses, at least one interval per line is
AP> different from the rest
The last statement is erroneous (in "Vxozhu ja v temnye
xramy" the 4nd line is obviously amphibrachic).

AP> I am afraid they just transliterate it.
Is there really reason for fear? :)
Theу do, indeed:
"Not deathless verse, to be sure, but not incompetent either, I
would submit. It has a certain nervous energy---rendered, if
anything, more powerful through a fairly strict adherence to
iambic pentameter, eschewing what Steve Willett and other
Russian-influenced metrical mavens like to term "dolnik."
(But perhaps that's precisely what makes it sound "jingly"
to Jim O'Donnell's ears.)"
http://omega.cohums.ohio-state.edu:8080/hyper-lists/classics-l/00-11-01/0532.html
"The experiment of
Edward McCrorie with a five- or six-beat dolnik (loose iambic)
movement and a regular concluding cadence (/ x x / x) that mimics
that of the hexameter has not been followed by others, though his
version of the Aeneid has a growing audience. "
(http://omega.cohums.ohio-state.edu:8080/hyper-lists/classics-l/00-11-01/0121.html)


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From eginzbur at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Sun Dec 15 15:04:18 2002
From: eginzbur at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (elizabeth ginzburg)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 09:04:18 -0600
Subject: DOL'NIK
In-Reply-To: <13310174232.20021215163132@ut.ee>
Message-ID: <SUN.15.DEC.2002.090418.0600.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Roman and Elena:

My concern is: when one defines iamb, for instance, there is no need to
compare the foot with "the rest of the line", of course. In case of
dol'nik not only there is such a necessity, but also one must compare a
foot with the remaining surrounding lineS in a verse, and even with all
stanzas of a multistanzaic composition.

Dolnik consists of the meter irregularity...
but at  which hierarchic level?
line or STANZA or entire poem?

In Tyutchev's 'Last Love',despite the irregularity of the iambic structure
in this case, it would be difficult to find
dolnik in the 4th lines "Liubvi poslednei, zari vechernei" and "Ty i
blazhenstvo, i bezbnadezhnost'..."

I am not trying to sound controversial but  I am just positive that Last
Love is NOT written in dolnik's, because of the striking similarity of
the two irregular 4th lines in the embracing stanzas 1 and 3.
And there is another reason to look for a more simple
explanation..."disagreement" of the 4-line standard graphic form and a
different (though perfectly iambic)form, in which PROBABLY Last love was
initially composed...
I would be glad to discuss the subject...

Liza Ginzburg

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From aof at UMICH.EDU  Sun Dec 15 15:31:23 2002
From: aof at UMICH.EDU (Anne O'Brien Fisher)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 10:31:23 -0500
Subject: AAASS 2003 Panel Proposal
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Message-ID: <SUN.15.DEC.2002.103123.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Hello SEELANGers,

I am putting together a panel on Il'f and Petrov for AAASS 2003. Please
reply off-list to aof at umich.edu if you would be interested in
participating.

Thank you,

Annie

Annie Fisher
University of Michigan Slavic Dept.
812 E. Washington, Suite 3040
Ann Arbor, MI
48104-1275
aof at umich.edu
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From ggerhart at ATTBI.COM  Sun Dec 15 18:12:53 2002
From: ggerhart at ATTBI.COM (Genevra Gerhart)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 10:12:53 -0800
Subject: Fwd: Cyrillic for All
In-Reply-To: <20021215014152.4461.qmail@web2.mailbox.hu>
Message-ID: <SUN.15.DEC.2002.101253.0800.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

"Thanks! I was surprised that SEELANGS was so silent. Or, maybe, all
those professors went through such awful pains to learn Cyrllic script
that they are not happy that KGB spy wants to outlaw any other
alphabets?

U.K."

Dear Uladzimir,
American professors probably do not feel responsible for the antics of those
whose language they study.

Genevra Gerhart

http://www.GenevraGerhart.com

ggerhart at attbi.com
(206) 329-0053

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From jobailey at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU  Sun Dec 15 22:06:32 2002
From: jobailey at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU (James Bailey)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 16:06:32 -0600
Subject: A question
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20021215193947.00ac9cf8@pop3.unsw.edu.au>
Message-ID: <SUN.15.DEC.2002.160632.0600.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Elena Mikhailik,
      I have used the term "strict stress meter" implying that there is a
limited variation of syllables (1 or 2) between metrical stresses.  But
probably a number of different terms have been used.  It consequently is
best to define your terms each time.
     James Bailey

At 07:40 PM 12/15/2002 +1100, you wrote:
>Dear colleagues,
>
>Could anybody help me with the English term for "dol'nik"?
>
>Regards,
>Elena Mikhailik
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From mllemily at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU  Sun Dec 15 18:43:20 2002
From: mllemily at ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU (Emily Tall)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 18:43:20 +0000
Subject: free book follow-up
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Dear all,
    I had 15 eager respondents to my free book offer and so just chose
the first one (an early riser!). Thanks for responding.
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From seelangs at HOTMAIL.COM  Mon Dec 16 01:40:00 2002
From: seelangs at HOTMAIL.COM (Tom Dolack)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:40:00 -0500
Subject: dol'nik
Message-ID: <SUN.15.DEC.2002.204000.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear colleagues:

If I may enter my two cents on the dol'nik, I would say it depends on the
context. In reference to Russian poetry, "dol'nik" is usually used, but in
reference to, say, English poetry there are a few ways of doing it. Oddly
enoughy (or perhaps not) Old English poetry was written in a similar form
which is usually described as "normative syllabic prosody." Here the "pod"
(as in monopodic, dipodic etc..) is used, especially in reference to folk
poetry, and indicates the number of stresses per line.  Each line is called
a stich. I have also heard, in reference to Romantic poetry, that said poem
was written in X number of feet, or in pentameter, without the iambic,
trochaic or whatever. Turco in _The Book of Forms_ (21-37) goes into a lot
more detail for anyone interested in such things (doubtful, but you never
know).

hope that helps,

Tom Dolack
University of Oregon
Comp Lit/REESC





>From: Elena Mikhailik <E.Mikhailik at UNSW.EDU.AU>
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>Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:40:55 +1100
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>Dear colleagues,
>
>Could anybody help me with the English term for "dol'nik"?
>
>Regards,
>Elena Mikhailik
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From nfriedbe at CHASS.UTORONTO.CA  Mon Dec 16 04:19:57 2002
From: nfriedbe at CHASS.UTORONTO.CA (Nila Friedberg)
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 23:19:57 -0500
Subject: Dolnik
Message-ID: <SUN.15.DEC.2002.231957.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Regarding Lena Mikhailik's original question, the English term for dolnik
is 'Strict Stress Meter', and the term appeared in Marina Tarlinskaja's
book 'Strict Stress Meter in English Poetry, Compared with German and
Russian' (1993, University of Calgary Press). The term was first
introduced by James Bailey (1975) in his article
'Linguistic givens and their metrical realization in a poem by Yeats",
Language and style 8 (1): 21-33.
Nila Friedberg

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From krylya at HOTMAIL.COM  Mon Dec 16 13:21:20 2002
From: krylya at HOTMAIL.COM (Rodney Patterson)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 13:21:20 +0000
Subject: Fwd: Cyrillic for All
Message-ID: <MON.16.DEC.2002.132120.0000.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

True, perhaps, but some of us are able to appreciate the feelings of peoples
whose languages we study.  We do not study languages and cultures as though
we were in perfectly germ-free lab suits examining moon rocks.

Rodney L. Patterson
SUNYA

>Dear Uladzimir,
>American professors probably do not feel responsible for the antics of
>those
>whose language they study.

>"Thanks! I was surprised that SEELANGS was so silent. Or, maybe, all
>those professors went through such awful pains to learn Cyrllic script
>that they are not happy that KGB spy wants to outlaw any other
>alphabets?
>
>U.K."


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From ulrikebaur at YAHOO.COM  Mon Dec 16 15:10:09 2002
From: ulrikebaur at YAHOO.COM (Ulrike Baur)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:10:09 -0500
Subject: Theater in Moscow
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Hi,

My name is Ulrike Baur.  I am an undergraduate at Princeton and will be
studying Russian for foreigners at the Moscow International University
next semester.  I was wondering if you could help me with any tips for the
following points and questions about theater possibilities in Moscow:

I am looking for an internship with a theater, if possible assisting a
director, both during my program and in the summer (in case any theater
will be open in June and July), and
I want to take acting lessons (I was hoping that I could join some classes
at the Moscow Art Theater or at another school).

I am also looking for a theater program in Moscow (or another Russian
city) for the fall semester 2003.  I applied to the program of the
National Theater Institute in Connecticut at the Moscow Art Theater.
However, it turned out that my university will not approve this program
since it is not completely conducted in Russian.  Do you know of any
semester-long theater programs in Russia that are conducted in Russian?

And, finally, do you know a theater group in Moscow that I could join
during my stay there and can you recommend any schools or classes for
modern dance there?

Thank you very much.  I am looking forward to your responses!

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From tc0jxk1 at CORN.CSO.NIU.EDU  Mon Dec 16 16:12:04 2002
From: tc0jxk1 at CORN.CSO.NIU.EDU (kot joanna)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:12:04 -0600
Subject: AAASS 2002
Message-ID: <MON.16.DEC.2002.101204.0600.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I'm trying to put together a panel for the 2003 National Convention on
"presentations of the male image in Slavic women's writing and what these
reveal about female identity".  If you are interested please reply
off-list to tc0jxk1 at corn.cso.niu.edu

Joanna Kot
assoc. professor of Russian and Polish
Northern Illinois University
Dept. of Foreign Langs. and Lits.
DeKalb, IL 60015
tel (815) 753-6457

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From mikhail.gronas at DARTMOUTH.EDU  Tue Dec 17 00:42:34 2002
From: mikhail.gronas at DARTMOUTH.EDU (Mikhail Gronas)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:42:34 -0500
Subject: Introductory Russian Chat Room
Message-ID: <MON.16.DEC.2002.194234.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear colleagues presently teaching beginning Russian, especially those of
you using Russian stage one live from Moscow:

We at Dartmouth are eager to set up a Russian language chat room for our
students (and for all interested in participating) this coming winter. We
will be starting Unit 5 the first week in January – why don’t we get our
students to chat back and forth in Russian? Perhaps we, as their teachers,
can even set up some network assignments for them to do together. But in
order to start this we’d like to know how many of you would like to have
your schools participate. We are contacting you now about the beginning
level but it will certainly be possible to do at more advanced levels.
Please,  let us know if you’d like to participate – and if so approximately
how many students (and at what level) might be involved.
Thanks so much,

Debby Garretson, Mikhail Gronas

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From brifkin at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU  Tue Dec 17 02:43:31 2002
From: brifkin at FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU (Benjamin Rifkin)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 20:43:31 -0600
Subject: job in Moscow
Message-ID: <MON.16.DEC.2002.204331.0600.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELANGers:

I am posting this job ad as a courtesy to my former student (who is
the person hiring).  Please direct all queries to HIM, not to me.

With best wishes to all,

Ben Rifkin

***

Department:     Marketing
Requested by:   Joseph Bowman / jbowman at westlink.ru /
<joseph.bowman at optiva.ru> (use both e-mail addresses, as Bowman may
be travelling now and will retrieve e-mail from one or the other
e-mail address)

Company who will employ:        Optiva Technology (www.optivainc.com)
Date of request:        12/11/02
Job Title:      VP of Marketing
Reporting to:   President
For whom will this position provide services:   Senior management /
external authorities
Number and position of subordinates (if any):   At the beginning -
none, following the development of the company - small number of staff

Work location:  Moscow, Russia
3 Pervaya Miuskaya Ulitsa, Mendelevskii Institute

Responsibilities and primary duties include:
· Preparation of inter-company marketing plans
· Developing Marketing efforts for Russian market
· Inter-company reporting on Moscow activities
· Participation in project management and development

Personal characteristics & additional skills:
Responsible, efficient, accurate, mature, hard working (including
possible overtime), communication skills



Candidate profile:
Expatriate:
American
Preferred age range:
mature
Educational background:
BA in physics or chemistry
MBA or Economics Degree preferred

Experience essential:  At least 5 years of experience in
international business.   Minimum of 2 years in senior management
position.

Experience desirable Experience working in a multinational technology company.

MIS skills required:Excellent

Language Ability: Excellent Russian

Likely Salary/Package offered:
depending on qualification and experience



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=================
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Professor of Slavic Languages, Slavic Dept., UW-Madison
1432 Van Hise Hall, 1220 Linden Dr.
Madison, WI  53706 USA
voice: 608/262-1623; fax: 608/265-2814
http://polyglot.lss.wisc.edu/slavic/rifkin/

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From colkitto at SPRINT.CA  Mon Dec 16 22:43:15 2002
From: colkitto at SPRINT.CA (Robert Orr)
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:43:15 -0500
Subject: V.M.Zhirmunsky: Ona otdalas' bez upreka...
Message-ID: <MON.16.DEC.2002.174315.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

> Why in Zhirmunsky's "The Rhyme: its history and theory" the quotation
> from Bal'mont was it was "Ona
> tselovalaS' bez slov?", not tselovala? Just a missprint?
> Liza Ginzburg

I have actually drawn students' attention to this usage once or twice.  I
have heard  "celovatsja" used in a context (xoroso celujetsja 'best
translated as "(s)he's a good kisser", maybe "(s)he kisses well") which
leads me to believe that it may be used as a middle (see Schenker's
excellent article in American contributions, 1988), similar to kusatsja (cf.
eta sobaka kusaetsja - this dog bites).

the sense of the Balmont line is obvious: she didn't make a habit of talking
while kissing, or something like that.

So: not just a misprint.

Robert Orr




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> > >Thank you,
> > >E.Shir
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From krylya at HOTMAIL.COM  Tue Dec 17 13:13:07 2002
From: krylya at HOTMAIL.COM (Rodney Patterson)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:13:07 +0000
Subject: V.M.Zhirmunsky: Ona otdalas' bez upreka...
Message-ID: <TUE.17.DEC.2002.131307.0000.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Colleagues,

I don't have Bal'mont's original publication (in a periodical?), but I have
the Orlov collection, where the verb is CELOVALA.  It was CELOVALA in Mont's
POLNOE SOBRANIE STIXOV (Skorpion, 1912).  Equally important, in Bal'mont's
republication (T. 5, Izd-ie V. V. Pashukanisa, 1918)  of BUDEM KAK SOLNCE,
preparation of which he carefully and personally supervised, it is also
CELOVALA.  It is CELOVALA in Mont's IZBRANNOE (M.: "Xudozh. lit-ra," 1980,
lovingly prepared by the poet's daughter, Nina Konstantinovna Bal'mont, his
niece, Vera Nikolaevna Bal'mont and with Lev Ozerov's preface.  Evgenija V.
Ivanova's publication of Bal'mont, IZBRANNOE (M.: Sovetsk. Rossija, 1989)
has CELOVALA.  In fact, I find the reflexive CELOVALAS' in none of my
Bal'montiana (sigh).  Therefore, I conclude that Zhirmunskij, whose work I
greatly admire, or, more likely, the printers of Zhirmunskij's text, must
have been in error.  Respectfully,

Rodney L. Patterson
Slavic and Eurasian Languages and Literatures
SUNY, Albany
>
> > Why in Zhirmunsky's "The Rhyme: its history and theory" the quotation
> > from Bal'mont was it was "Ona
> > tselovalaS' bez slov?", not tselovala? Just a missprint?
> > Liza Ginzburg
>.......
>the sense of the Balmont line is obvious: she didn't make a habit of
>talking
>while kissing, or something like that.
>
>So: not just a misprint.
>
>Robert Orr
>
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From zodyp at BELOIT.EDU  Tue Dec 17 16:21:17 2002
From: zodyp at BELOIT.EDU (Patricia Zody)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:21:17 -0600
Subject: ACTR Russian Essay Contest
Message-ID: <TUE.17.DEC.2002.102117.0600.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Colleagues,

I invite you and your students to participate in the Fourth Annual ACTR
National Post-Secondary Russian Essay Contest.  We had a successful contest
in 2002 with 179 participants representing 23 universities and colleges.

Participation in the Russian Essay Contest is an excellent way

-to have your students compete nationwide with their peers
-to raise the visibility of your Russian program
-to compete in a fun, field-wide event.

The contest is for undergraduates at all levels of Russian (1st through
4th-year), and there are categories for heritage learners.

If you should have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me off
list.  You can also stop by the exhibit hall at the AATSEEL conference in
New York.  I will have application forms for the contest at my booth for
the Center for Language Studies, or you can also pick up forms at the ACTR
booth.

Sincerely,

Patricia Zody

*************************************************************************************
4th ANNUAL ACTR NATIONAL POST-SECONDARY RUSSIAN ESSAY CONTEST

Students taking Russian in accredited colleges and universities are invited
to participate in the fourth annual National Post-Secondary Russian Essay
Contest sponsored by the American Council of Teachers of Russian.

All students must pay a registration fee according to the following schedule:
Students whose teacher is an ACTR member - $3.00 per registration
Students whose teacher is not an ACTR member - $4.50 per registration
Students may not register themselves, but can only be registered by a teacher.
To register your students, please send a registration form (below) and one
check made out to "ACTR" to George Morris, ACTR Treasurer, 3109 Yale
Boulevard, St. Charles, MO 63301-0462. All registrations must be received
by January 24, 2003. Registrations received after the deadline will not be
accepted.

When registering your students, please consult the criteria below to select
the appropriate level.

Teachers whose students are participating in the contest will receive
directions and the essay topic in late January 2003. Students will write
their essays between Feb. 1 and Feb. 15, 2003 at a time selected by the
instructor at each institution. Judges will review the essays in March 2003
and winners will be announced in early April 2003.

Please note that students cannot use any books or notes and may not work
together. Essays must be written legibly in blue or black ink The time
limit for writing the essays will be one hour. The essays must be written
in blue or black ink on lined or bluebook paper provided by teachers.
Pencil is not acceptable (as it won't photocopy). After the students write
the essay, teachers will make four photocopies of each essay as per the
directions and then send the originals and three photocopies to Patricia
Zody within 48 hours of the test date. All essays will be evaluated
anonymously: no essay will be identifiable by the name or institution of
the student who wrote it. Gold, silver, and bronze ribbon awards
(certificates), as well as honorable mention, will be presented for the
best essays at each level.

Teachers may not substitute students for those registered by the deadline.
No refunds are available for students who don't show up for the essay contest.

Essays will be ranked according to levels as follows:
Category 1: Non-Heritage Learners (those learners who do not and did not
ever speak Russian in the home)
Level One: students who at the time of the essay contest will have had
fewer than 100 contact hours of instruction in Russian (whether in college
alone or in college and high school). (This is mostly students in
first-year Russian.)

Level Two: students who at the time of the essay contest will have had more
than 100 contact hours, but fewer than 250 contact hours of instruction.
(This is mostly students in second-year Russian.)

Level Three: students who will have had more than 250 contact hours, but
fewer than 400 contact hours of instruction. (This is mostly students in
third or fourth-year Russian.)

Level Four: students who will have had more than 400 contact hours of
instruction. (This is mostly students in fourth-year or fifth-year Russian.)

Category 2: Heritage Learners

Heritage Learners (1): students who speak Russian with their families and
who have attended school for fewer than 5 years in Russia or the former
Soviet Union and may have had to relearn reading and writing skills after
emigration.

Heritage Learners (2): students who speak Russian with their families and
who have attended school for 5 or more years in Russia or the former Soviet
Union and have not had to relearn reading and writing skills after emigration.

Judges will evaluate essays according to content (the ability to express
ideas in Russian and communicate information about the topic) and length,
lexicon, syntax, structure (grammatical and orthographic accuracy), and
originality or creativity.

Awards will be announced in the ACTR Letter and the AATSEEL Newsletter. The
best gold ribbon essays will be published again this year in the ACTR Letter.

Teachers with questions about the essay contest should contact:
Patricia L. Zody
Director, Center for Language Studies
Beloit College
700 College Street
Beloit, WI 53511
(608)363-2277
cls at beloit.edu

REGISTRATION FORM FOR NATIONAL POST-SECONDARY RUSSIAN ESSAY CONTEST
Name of Institution:
Name of Instructor:
Address:
E-Mail Address:
Telephone:
Fax:
Name of Each Student Participating in Test, Category 1 or 2, and
Level (according to guidelines listed above).

Send to George Morris, ACTR Treasurer, 3109 Yale Boulevard, St. Charles, MO
63301-0462 before January 24, 2003.

Official Registration Forms can also be found in the Fall 2002 ACTR Letter
and the October 2002 AATSEEL Newsletter.

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From billings at NCNU.EDU.TW  Tue Dec 17 17:45:03 2002
From: billings at NCNU.EDU.TW (Loren A. Billings)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:45:03 +0800
Subject: New book on language and nationalism
Message-ID: <WED.18.DEC.2002.014503.0800.>

Apologies for cross-posting. Here's something relevant to some
recent threads on this list. I don't know how much of the
book is on SEELangs-related nations or states.  --Loren


Date:  Mon, 16 Dec 2002 16:41:38 +0000
From:  bartonm at oup-usa.org
Subject:  Language and Nationalism in Europe



Title: Language and Nationalism in Europe

Publication Year: 2002
Publisher: Oxford University Press
           http://www.oup-usa.org/

Book URL: http://www.oup-usa.org/isbn/0198236719.html

Editor: Stephen  Barbour, University of East Anglia, Norwich
Editor: Cathie  Carmichael, Middlesex University

Paperback: ISBN: 0199250855, Pages: 336 pp, Price: $ 24.95

Abstract:

This volume examines the role of language in the present and past
creation of social, cultural, and national identities in Europe,
considering the way in which language may sometimes reinforce national
identity (as in England) while tending to subvert the nation-state (as
in the United Kingdom).

The book describes the interactive roles of language, ethnicity,
culture, and institutions in the character and formation of
nationalism and identity throughout Europe. A select team of
international contributors consider various questions drawing on
evidence from the majority of European countries.

The book concludes with a consideration of the current relative status
of the languages of Europe and how these and the identities they
reflect are changing and evolving.


"Each chapter is full of fascinating sociolinguistic and historical
facts but together the volume provides a wide-ranging set of
approaches to language and nationalism so dense that it defies
summarizing, and no brief review can do justice to the wealth of
information and arguments in this volume. Barbour, Carmichael, and
their colleagues have given a wide interdisciplinary readership a very
interesting, informative, and readable volume."--Michael Clyne,
University of Melbourne

Lingfield(s):  Sociolinguistics

Written In:  English (Language Code: ENG)



--
Loren A. Billings, Ph.D.
Associate professor of linguistics
Department of Foreign Languages and Literature
National Chi Nan University
Puli, Nantou, Taiwan 545 Republic of China

E-mail: billings at ncnu.edu.tw

Telephone: +886-49-291-0960
     NCNU extensions:
     2541 Department staff
     2789 My office
Fax: +886-49-291-4440

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From HKhan at MAIL.COLGATE.EDU  Tue Dec 17 18:56:52 2002
From: HKhan at MAIL.COLGATE.EDU (Halimur Khan)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:56:52 -0500
Subject: Room at AATSEEL--2002 in New York?
Message-ID: <TUE.17.DEC.2002.135652.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Anyone interested in sharing a room with a male, non-smoker at the
AATSEEL--2002 Conference in New York at MY Marriott Marquis Hotel?
Please reply off-list. Thanks.

--Halimur Khan

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From Mikhail.Gronas at DARTMOUTH.EDU  Tue Dec 17 18:59:07 2002
From: Mikhail.Gronas at DARTMOUTH.EDU (Mikhail Gronas)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:59:07 EST
Subject: Room at AATSEEL--2002 in New York?
Message-ID: <TUE.17.DEC.2002.135907.EST.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Halimur,
I d be interested to share -- could you please e-mail me at
mikhail.gronas at dartmouth.edu
Misha Gronas

--- You wrote:
Anyone interested in sharing a room with a male, non-smoker at the
AATSEEL--2002 Conference in New York at MY Marriott Marquis Hotel?
Please reply off-list. Thanks.

--Halimur Khan

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From HKhan at MAIL.COLGATE.EDU  Tue Dec 17 19:06:04 2002
From: HKhan at MAIL.COLGATE.EDU (Halimur Khan)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:06:04 -0500
Subject: Room at AATSEEL--2002 in New York?
Message-ID: <TUE.17.DEC.2002.140604.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I am looking for someone who has a reservation at NY Marriott Marquis
during the AATSEEL Conference, and who will be willing to share his room
with a male, non-smoker. Sorry, if my previous note wasn't clear.
Thanks.

--halimur khan

-----Original Message-----
From: Halimur Khan 
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 1:57 PM
To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: [SEELANGS] Room at AATSEEL--2002 in New York?

Anyone interested in sharing a room with a male, non-smoker at the
AATSEEL--2002 Conference in New York at MY Marriott Marquis Hotel?
Please reply off-list. Thanks.

--Halimur Khan

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From olgames at IASTATE.EDU  Tue Dec 17 20:52:10 2002
From: olgames at IASTATE.EDU (Olga Mesropova)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:52:10 -0500
Subject: Russian Film and Popular Culture
Message-ID: <TUE.17.DEC.2002.155210.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

CALL FOR PAPERS:

Russian Film and Popular Culture June 16 - 21, 2003

University of Illinois at Urbana-Champagne / Summer Research Laboratory

Dear colleagues,

I am organizing a discussion group on Russian film and popular culture
during the Summer Research lab at the University of Illinois, Champagne-
Urbana.  Topics for presentations may also include issues of teaching
Russian culture and film.

"Russian Film and Popular Culture" discussion group will be held as part of
the Summer Research Laboratory on Russia and Eastern Europe at the
University of Illinois.  Workshop participants are encouraged to apply for
a housing award for free University housing (for further information see:
http://www.reec.uiuc.edu/srl.htm)

Interested scholars may submit their proposals (not to exceed 500 words)
and a CV either electronically or by mail to:

Dr. Olga Mesropova
104A Pearson Hall
Department of Foreign Languages and Literatures
Iowa State University
Ames, IA 50011

olgames at iastate.edu

Electronic submissions are encouraged.  If you have any questions, please
don't hesitate to contact me off list.

Sincerely,

Olga Mesropova

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From renee at ALINGA.COM  Tue Dec 17 21:15:08 2002
From: renee at ALINGA.COM (Renee Stillings | Alinga)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:15:08 -0500
Subject: Student visa issues for Russia
Message-ID: <TUE.17.DEC.2002.161508.0500.RENEE@ALINGA.COM>

Dear colleagues,

Many of you may be sending students abroad to Russia this coming year and we
would advise contacting your Russian partner universities immediately
regarding the new visa regulations.

As you may or may not know, the function of issuing visa support has been
transferred from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to the Ministry of Internal
Affairs or the dreaded "OVIR" ...

The result has been confusion and frustration on the part of Russian
universities, particularly those in Moscow. St. Petersburg and other cities
so far do not seem to be encountering the same problems, probably due to
lower drain on the resources there. Moscow on the other hand, is a problem
right now for any student planning to study during the spring semester.

Moscow State University has been told firmly by OVIR that processing of the
visa support is 65 working days. Now, if we count the number of holidays
ahead of us, any student hoping to catch the beginning of the semester in
Russia should have submitted visa documents last month, even though at that
time MGU was not even accepting documents due to the chaos.

We are all hopeful that the Moscow universities will eventually make some
sort of special arrangements in order to speed this process up as clearly it
must be corrected. Business visas have not changed in terms of the time
necessary to issue support and so either this is a clear signal regarding
student visas (i.e. low priority) or the Russian universities have not
recognized that they need to negotiate a better arrangement or lose paying
students.

In short, if you have any students going to Moscow for studies this next
semester, they should be in contact with the Russian host university
immediately regarding the realities of obtaining a visa in time. I imagine
that some programs may opt for arranging business visas where possible.

Should anything change in this situation, I will post an update to the list.
We are also posting any developments on the news section of our site
(www.sras.org).

Regards,
Renee Stillings
The School of Russian and Asian Studies
renee at sras.org
www.sras.org

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From salys at SPOT.COLORADO.EDU  Tue Dec 17 23:21:36 2002
From: salys at SPOT.COLORADO.EDU (Salys Rimgaila)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:21:36 -0700
Subject: AAASS 2003 - Film Panel
Message-ID: <TUE.17.DEC.2002.162136.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Colleagues,
     We're looking for two papers for a panel on films of the Stalin era.
Please reply off-list to me at Salys at spot.colorado.edu

                                                Thanks, Rima Salys

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From k.lantz at UTORONTO.CA  Wed Dec 18 16:24:27 2002
From: k.lantz at UTORONTO.CA (Ken Lantz)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:24:27 -0500
Subject: Mellon Postdoctoral Fellowship
Message-ID: <WED.18.DEC.2002.112427.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

The Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures, University of
Toronto, invites applications for a Mellon Postdoctoral Fellowship for
the 2003-2004 academic year.  Applicants from any area of Slavic
language or literary studies are welcome, but we are especially
interested in those working in Russian literature (early nineteenth,
medieval); Slavic linguistics; language pedagogy; Croatian, Serbian or
Czech languages and literatures.  The Department has a broad range of
teaching and research interests and offers a congenial and lively
academic environment for promising young scholars.  The University▓s
Robarts Library is a major research facility with extensive Slavic
holdings.  The application deadline is February 14, 2003.  Additional
information about the award and the application procedure can be found
at: http://www.utoronto.ca/slavic/

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From mnewcity at DUKE.EDU  Wed Dec 18 18:36:46 2002
From: mnewcity at DUKE.EDU (Michael Newcity)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:36:46 -0500
Subject: Conference/Call for Papers
Message-ID: <WED.18.DEC.2002.133646.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

DUKE CENTER FOR SLAVIC, EURASIAN AND EAST EUROPEAN STUDIES proudly announces

A CONFERENCE AND CALL FOR PAPERS

St. Petersburg: Three Centuries of Music, Art, Literature and Culture

The Center for Slavic, Eurasian, and East European Studies is sponsoring a
conference on September 19 and 20, 2003, to commemorate the 300th
anniversary of the founding of St. Petersburg, Russia.
The conference program will consist of:
* 5 roundtable panels on the topics of (1) St. Petersburg's Contributions
to the Performing Arts, (2) St. Petersburg's Contributions to Literature,
(3) St. Petersburg’s Contributions to the Visual Arts, (4) Russian
Educational System and Research, and (5) Investment and Commerce in St.
Petersburg.  The panel on education will be in Russian; the others will be
in English.
* Major lectures by several leading Russian and American speakers including
Dr. Lyudmila Verbitskaya, Rector of St. Petersburg State University, and
Dr. Nikolai Kotrelev, Institute of World Literature, Russian Academy of
Sciences
* Concert on Saturday, September 19:  An evening of Russian music performed
by renowned Russian and international musicians, including musicians from
the St. Petersburg Mussorgsky Theatre of Opera and Ballet.  This concert
will be part of the Duke Artists’ Series.
In conjunction with the conference, during September 2003 the Duke
University Museum of Art will display an exhibition of modern Russian art.
If you might be interested in participating or attending this conference,
please contact us at cseees at duke.edu or eda at duke.edu.  More detailed
information about this conference will be disseminated in early 2003.

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From Irene.Zohrab at VUW.AC.NZ  Thu Dec 19 00:12:06 2002
From: Irene.Zohrab at VUW.AC.NZ (Irene Zohrab)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:12:06 +1300
Subject: NZSJ
Message-ID: <THU.19.DEC.2002.131206.1300.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

  Dear Members of SEELANGS 

  I would like to let you know that copies of the latest New Zealand Slavonic Journal (Journal of the Australia and New Zealand Slavists’
  Association) are available for sale (as well as earlier issues). The forthcoming special issue volume 36, 2002 will be available in January,
  2003. An announcement about the contents of that Special issue 2002 will be made to members of SEELANGS in January.

  The New Zealand Slavonic Journal, Volume 35, 2001 is divided into 
  Part I: Slavic Literature and Culture; 
  Part II: Australasian/Slavonic Affinities and Links; 
  Part III: Miscellaneous: Internet, Language and Regional Politics; 
  Part IV: Documents, New Material and Translations. 
  Bookreviews. 
  Illustrations. 
  List of Contributors. 

   Volume 35 includes the following articles: 

  Part I 
  James L Rice, ‘Summer at the Lake with Chekhov, A Retrospect in Early Retirement’ 
  Peter Stupples, ‘Malevich and the Liberation of Art’ 
  Marko Pavlyshyn, ‘Choosing a Europe: Andrukhovych, Izdryk and the New Ukrainian Literature’ 
  John McNair, ‘Childhood and the Quest for Self: Nikolai Garin-Mikhailovsky and the Uses of Autobiography’ 
  Gary Cox, ‘Russia’s Feminine Soul Revisited: A Neo-Darwinian Look at Dostoevskian Group Psychology’ 
  Hazel Grünewald, ‘Generic Ambiguity in Daniil Kharms’s Elizaveta Bam’ 
  Alexander Trapeznik, ‘V M Chernov, Terrorism and the Azef Affair’ 
      
  Part II 
  Carole Ferrier, ‘Jean Devanny in Australasia and the Soviet Union in the 1920s and 30s’ 
  John Goodliffe, ‘Denis Glover’s Poetry in Russian: Translation or Transflation? 
  Stuart Young, ‘A History of Russian Drama on the New Zealand Stage: The First Instalment’ 
      
  Part III: 
  Kevin Windle, ‘Some Allusions and Interlingual Elements in Bulgakov’s Flight, An Affirmation of Russkost´? ’ 
  Galina Timofeeva, ‘Russian Internet Language: Innovations on the Web Sites’ 
  Christopher Connor, ‘Kaliningrad in the New European Order’ 

  Part IV: Documents, New Material and Translations 
  The Rt Hon Jonathan Hunt, ‘Thoughts on Russia and the Inter-Parliamentary Union’ 
  Harold W Williams, ‘The Organisation of the Provisional Government; Lenin; Gorky’s Letter to Lenin’ (Introduction by Irene Zohrab) 
  Fyodor Dostoevsky, ‘Editorial Comment from The Citizen’ 
  Irene Zohrab, ‘Dostoevsky in Europe: First Instalment’ 

  Copies can be purchased from the New Zealand Slavonic Journal, Victoria University, School of Asian and European Languages and
  Cultures, P O Box 600, WELLINGTON, NEW ZEALAND. The cost is NZ$50.00 (including overseas postage) per copy or $45 (including
  GST) within New Zealand. 


  Hilary Chapman (Dr)             
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From n.bermel at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK  Wed Dec 18 18:15:18 2002
From: n.bermel at SHEFFIELD.AC.UK (Neil Bermel)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 18:15:18 GMT
Subject: IATC business meeting
Message-ID: <WED.18.DEC.2002.181518.GMT.N.BERMEL@SHEFFIELD.AC.UK>

The International Association of Teachers of Czech (IATC-NAATC) will hold
its annual
business meeting at the AATSEEL conference on December 28, probably at
5.30 (with the
possibility it may need to be postponed to 7.00).  For location and a
firm time, look for
notices on AATSEEL bulletin boards or listen for announcements at the two
Czech panels
taking place that day (Czech literary translation and IT in Czech
teaching).  The meeting is
open to all IATC-NAATC members.

The items I have for our agenda are:

- President's report on the past year

- Roles of officers in IATC

- Czech Language News and non-paying members

- Language policy

- NCOLCTL A. Ronald Walton award

If anyone has any more items, please send them to me ASAP for inclusion
on the agenda.

Best,

Neil Bermel
President, IATC-NAATC

Neil Bermel
Department of Russian and Slavonic Studies
The University of Sheffield
Sheffield S10 2TN United Kingdom
n.bermel at sheffield.ac.uk
telephone +44 (0)114 222 7405
fax +44 (0)114 222 7416

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From mglevine at EMAIL.UNC.EDU  Thu Dec 19 04:54:47 2002
From: mglevine at EMAIL.UNC.EDU (Madeline Levine)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:54:47 -0500
Subject: Death of a colleague
Message-ID: <WED.18.DEC.2002.235447.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I am deeply sorry to have to convey the terrible news that Marina
Kanevskaya, Assistant Professor of Russian at the University of Montana,
was killed by a hit-and-run driver (now in custody) on Friday, December 13,
in Missoula.  Professor Kanevskaya, who received her doctorate from Indiana
University, was the author of "N.K. Mikhailovsky's Criticism of
Dostoevsky : the cruel critic," published in 2001 by Mellen Press. A
scholarship fund will be established in her memory.

Madeline Levine, UNC-Chapel Hill

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From uwe at RZ.UNI-LEIPZIG.DE  Thu Dec 19 11:44:40 2002
From: uwe at RZ.UNI-LEIPZIG.DE (Uwe Junghanns)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:44:40 +0100
Subject: Slavic linguistics/FDSL-5
Message-ID: <THU.19.DEC.2002.124440.0100.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

FIRST CALL FOR PAPERS

5th European Conference
on
Formal Description of Slavic Languages

26-28 November, 2003

hosted by the University of Leipzig

The Slavic Department of the University of Leipzig is pleased to
announce the 5th European Conference on Formal Description of Slavic
Languages (FDSL-5).

Abstracts are invited for 30-minute talks (20-minute presentation
plus 10 minutes for discussion) on Slavic syntax, morphology,
phonology, semantics, psycholinguistics and computational
linguistics. Presentations will be in any Slavic language, English or
German.

Deadline for receipt of abstracts is May 30, 2003.

How to submit abstracts:
Abstracts should be anonymous and no longer than one page (an
additional page for references, figures and data can be also
included). Attach the anonymous abstract to an e-mail message as a
pdf file or as a file containg plain ascii text. Abstracts can be
sent by regular mail too (5 copies).
Include in the body of the e-mail message the following information:
(1) title of paper;
(2) your name (and title);
(3) complete postal address and affiliation (or home address, if necessary);
(4) telephone and fax numbers;
(5) email address (and URL of personal homepage).
If you choose regular mail for submitting your abstract, write the
requested information on a separate sheet of paper.

An individual may submit at most one single and one co-authored paper.

Authors whose abstracts are accepted will be notified in mid-July 2003.

Those interested in attending FDSL-5 are invited to register their
email and/or postal addresses at the conference address below (email
is preferred for all communication).

Additional information is available at the FDSL-5 web site:
<http://www.uni-leipzig.de/~jungslav/fdsl/fdsl-5/fdsl-5.html>

Organizing Committee:
Gerhild Zybatow, Uwe Junghanns, Roland Meyer, Luka Szucsich

Postal address:
Universitaet Leipzig
Institut fuer Slavistik
FDSL-5 Organizing Committee
Augustusplatz 10/11
PF 1432
04109 Leipzig
GERMANY

Email: fdsl5 at rz.uni-leipzig.de
Phone: ++49-341-97 37 450, -454
Fax: ++49-341-97 37 499

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From sclancy at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU  Thu Dec 19 13:33:39 2002
From: sclancy at MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU (Steven Clancy)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:33:39 -0600
Subject: seelangs and viruses?
In-Reply-To: <200212130450.gBD4oCSF023108@midway.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.19.DEC.2002.073339.0600.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I've received about a dozen virus messages in the past two days (no text,
suspicious attachments, generally not from people I know). Most of the
email addresses end in .ru and a few are from colleagues in Slavic. It
sure looks like it has something to do with seelangs. Anyone else having
this problem? Anyone know if seelangs could be responsible for allowing
these automatic viruses to be sent out?

Thanks,

Steven

Steven Clancy
University of Chicago
Department of Slavic Languages & Literatures
1130 East 59th Street, Foster 406
Chicago, IL 60637

Office: (773) 702-8567
in Gates-Blake 438
Department: (773) 702-8033
Fax: (773) 702-7030
sclancy at uchicago.edu

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From dumanis at BUFFALO.EDU  Thu Dec 19 14:15:12 2002
From: dumanis at BUFFALO.EDU (Edward M Dumanis)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:15:12 -0500
Subject: seelangs and viruses?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0212190729550.27244-100000@harper.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.19.DEC.2002.091512.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I am sure that it is NOT so.
I have received none of that.

Edward Dumanis <dumanis at buffalo.edu>

On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Steven Clancy wrote:

> I've received about a dozen virus messages in the past two days (no text,
> suspicious attachments, generally not from people I know). Most of the
> email addresses end in .ru and a few are from colleagues in Slavic. It
> sure looks like it has something to do with seelangs. Anyone else having
> this problem? Anyone know if seelangs could be responsible for allowing
> these automatic viruses to be sent out?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steven
>
> Steven Clancy
> University of Chicago
> Department of Slavic Languages & Literatures
> 1130 East 59th Street, Foster 406
> Chicago, IL 60637
>
> Office: (773) 702-8567
> in Gates-Blake 438
> Department: (773) 702-8033
> Fax: (773) 702-7030
> sclancy at uchicago.edu
>
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From mp at MIPCO.COM  Thu Dec 19 14:56:24 2002
From: mp at MIPCO.COM (Michael Peltsman)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 08:56:24 -0600
Subject: Parapushkinistika
Message-ID: <THU.19.DEC.2002.085624.0600.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

For one who is interested in Russian intellectual discourse it would
be curious to read the article "Parapushkinistika" by Dr. Vitalii
Serduchenko in the well established internet Journal "Lebed"
http://www.lebed.com in issue 302 http://www.lebed.com/art3180.htm
In a day after posting it was removed from the Journal site and now
can be read only in archive http://lebed.h1.ru/art3180.htm concealed
from general public. The source of this article and amazing story
around it can be enjoyed by reading the book Parapushkinistika site
at http://www.mipco.com/win/parat01.html The article itself is
reproduced there along with correspondence between Dr. V.
Serduchenko, M. Armalinsky and David Bayevsky, the editor of the book
"Parapushkinistika".

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From tritt002 at MAROON.TC.UMN.EDU  Thu Dec 19 17:26:43 2002
From: tritt002 at MAROON.TC.UMN.EDU (Michael Trittipo)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:26:43 -0600
Subject: seelangs and viruses?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0212190729550.27244-100000@harper.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.19.DEC.2002.112643.0600.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Steven Clancy wrote:

>. . .  Most of the
>email addresses end in .ru and a few are from colleagues in Slavic. . . . if seelangs could be responsible for allowing
>these automatic viruses to be sent out?
>
As I'm on Seelangs and haven't received them, almost certainly not.
 What's more likely is that one subscriber to some Slavic-related list
(or one with a lot of Slavic-related websites cached on his or her
computer automatically in the course of visiting them) has infected
himself or herself with Klez.  Klez fakes the "from" address, and mails
to others it finds from a variety of sources (not just addresses in some
programs' address books).

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From powelstock at ALUMNI.PRINCETON.EDU  Thu Dec 19 19:19:35 2002
From: powelstock at ALUMNI.PRINCETON.EDU (David Powelstock)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 13:19:35 -0600
Subject: NY Times article on language study & the web
Message-ID: <THU.19.DEC.2002.131935.0600.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

An article in today's NY Times "Circuits" section might be of interest
to some on this list.  The article's first sentence: "As an inexpensive,
decentralized way to connect people around the world, the Internet
presents a wealth of opportunities for students of foreign languages."
The article itself discusses ways to practice languages on the net
(chat, reference sources, IRC, etc.), including some web links.  The
article can be found at:

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/19/technology/circuits/19ital.html?8cir


Best of holiday wishes to all,
David Powelstock
(PLEASE NOTE NEW E-MAIL:)
powelstock at alumni.princeton.edu



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December 19, 2002
For Foreign-Language Learners, the Web Unties Tongues
By THOMAS J. FITZGERALD




>From dipping into a chat room where the conversation is in Italian to
skimming a magazine in Japanese or translating a word from Hindi, the
Internet offers a trove of unorthodox but effective learning tools.

For geographically isolated and busy people, one of the biggest
obstacles to conquering a foreign language is finding people with whom
to converse and to practice. The Internet can eliminate that obstacle,
since people speaking all kinds of languages can be found on the Web at
all hours. Beyond interacting with other people, the language student
who ventures into cyberspace will find foreign radio and television
broadcasts, free tutorials, reference and translation sites and
countless ordinary Web sites in different languages.

A year and a half after a trip to Florence inspired me to study Italian,
I can say from firsthand experience that Internet chat rooms are an
excellent complement to conventional academic studies. Yahoo Chat
(chat.yahoo.com), for example, provides links to international chat
rooms from Western Europe to the Pacific Rim to Latin America.

To enter these rooms you need your own Yahoo user ID, which costs
nothing and can be created in about five minutes. Once registered, you
can use a standard Web browser to chat with thousands of other Internet
users gathered in rooms for people from specific countries. There are
hundreds of such rooms for countries all over the world.

Chat rooms are simple to navigate. When you enter a room, you are
brought together with 20 or so other chatters, usually grouped by topic,
and you can type messages to one another. In the Italian chat rooms,
everything is in Italian - the ads, the buttons, even the messages
telling you who has entered and left the rooms. As a newcomer to the
language, I was able to study what people typed, learning new words and
phrases along the way.

If you have a Windows-based computer, you can go beyond using your
keyboard in the Yahoo rooms. If your computer has speakers and a
microphone, you can monitor public conversations that take place
separately from the text chat you see on the screen, or, if you are
daring enough, jump right into the mix.

While chatting or observing in the public area of a room is useful,
chatting one-on-one, in voice or text, can be a more valuable learning
experience. With each encounter, you can push the limits of your new
language skills a little further. Yahoo Messenger, a free application,
lets you participate in one-on-one chats via audio, text and Webcam.

Beginning a private conversation ordinarily requires sending a private
message to another member of the room. Many users in international rooms
are eager to chat with Americans who are interested in learning their
languages. What is more, the rooms seem to attract lots of teachers, and
in several instances I have encountered teachers of Italian willing to
answer questions about grammar.

America Online and MSN also have international chat rooms along with
messaging programs that enhance one-on-one chats. Another option for
chatting is I.R.C., or Internet Relay Chat, with thousands of channels
and chatters around the world. Information about I.R.C., which is not as
easy to use as Yahoo, AOL or MSN, is available at www.irchelp.org.
Foreign radio stations and foreign television broadcasts are also useful
other study aids. Many media outlets now stream live broadcasts on the
Internet that you can usually tune in to by using RealPlayer, Windows
Media Player, or QuickTime. One Italian station that I found, Radio24
(www.radio24.it), is talk radio that covers topics like investments,
health, parenting, food, entertainment and sports.

An extensive index to live radio and television broadcasts is at
www.comfm.com. This site has links to more than 4,500 radio and 380
television stations around the world, from both large and small
countries in the Middle East, Africa, Asia, Europe and Central and South
America. Other helpful links to international broadcasts are at
www.real.com and www.msn.com.

Then there is foreign print media. An index of foreign newspapers can be
found at www.onlinenewspapers.com, with links to thousands of them
around the world. Random tallies of publications yielded 130 links in
India and 21 in Greece. For links to foreign magazines online, a useful
site is www.metagrid.com, where you can run a search by typing the name
of a language or country in the search box.

There are also specific Web resources for language learning. Tutorials
at www.studyspanish.com and www.cyberitalian.com offer basic lessons at
no charge, while online dictionaries that translate to and from English
are available at several sites. One such site, www.yourdictionary.com,
provides quick translations and has links to many other online resources
like tutorials.

Of all of these resources, it is chatting with real people and listening
to radio stations that have been most helpful to me. While it is not
quite like studying abroad, the role the Internet can play in language
learning is likely to grow over time. Next I'm hoping to use it to help
learn Spanish.



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From a_strat at KHARKOV.COM  Fri Dec 20 03:40:11 2002
From: a_strat at KHARKOV.COM (Alex)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 05:40:11 +0200
Subject: seelangs and viruses?
Message-ID: <FRI.20.DEC.2002.054011.0200.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Which viruses?
How did you know you get them?

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From AHRJJ at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU  Fri Dec 20 04:06:27 2002
From: AHRJJ at CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (Alex Rudd)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:06:27 EST
Subject: seelangs and viruses?
In-Reply-To: Message of Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:33:39 -0600 from
 <sclancy@MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>
Message-ID: <THU.19.DEC.2002.230627.EST.>

On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:33:39 -0600 Steven Clancy said:
>I've received about a dozen virus messages in the past two days (no text,
>suspicious attachments, generally not from people I know). Most of the
>email addresses end in .ru and a few are from colleagues in Slavic. It
>sure looks like it has something to do with seelangs. Anyone else having
>this problem? Anyone know if seelangs could be responsible for allowing
>these automatic viruses to be sent out?

Thanks to those who beat me to the punch in responding to this.  I think
Michael Trittipo diagnosed it correctly.  SEELANGS is not responsible.

By the way I posted briefly on the subject of SEELANGS and virus messages
just a little over a month ago.  If you missed that post, you can retrieve
a copy by sending the command:

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From leafgren at U.ARIZONA.EDU  Fri Dec 20 15:46:21 2002
From: leafgren at U.ARIZONA.EDU (John Leafgren)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 10:46:21 -0500
Subject: 2003 Harrison Small Grants
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2003 Harrison Small Grants

The Southeast European Studies Association (SEESA) is currently accepting
applications for its Harrison Small Grants program. SEESA will award up to
two grants of up to $500 to support graduate student participation in
conferences with panels on Southeastern Europe in the 2003 calendar year.
Grants will be made only to graduate students affiliated with North American
universities, who plan to present papers in any discipline related to the
Southeast European region, including the successor states of the former
Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Romania, Albania, Greece, and Turkey.  Proposals which
focus on comparative analysis of issues across national boundaries in
Southeast Europe will be given preference. Grants will be disbursed once
receipts from conference travel are submitted following the conference. To
apply, send a letter, a one-page c.v., a supporting letter from a university
faculty member, an estimated budget for conference participation
(airfare/lodging, etc.), and a brief summary of the proposed paper to:

Prof. John Leafgren, SEESA President,
Department of Russian and Slavic Studies
Learning Services Building 305
University of Arizona
Tucson, AZ   85721

You may send inquiries about this program to the same address or to
leafgren at u.arizona.edu.

Application deadline is March 15, 2003.

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From uladzik at MAILBOX.HU  Fri Dec 20 15:58:52 2002
From: uladzik at MAILBOX.HU (Uladzimir Katkouski)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:58:52 +0100
Subject: letter frequencies
In-Reply-To: <SEELANGS%2002122010562171@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
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Dear SEELANGERs,

Here is some table for all slavic linguists and wanna-be cryptanalysts
:)

http://www.pravapis.org/art_letter_frequency.asp
(letter frequencies for Belarusan and Russian)

Btw, I was trying to find frequencies for Bulgarian, Ukrainian and
Macedonian online, but couldn't locate anything... Any help is greatly
appreciated!

Regards,
U.K




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From Evgenii.Bershtein at DIRECTORY.REED.EDU  Sat Dec 21 00:34:44 2002
From: Evgenii.Bershtein at DIRECTORY.REED.EDU (Evgenii Bershtein)
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 16:34:44 PST
Subject: "Music and Terror in Stalinist Russia" - Symposium at Reed
 College in Portland, Oregon; January 20-22, 2003
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ROMP! SYMPOSIUM ON MUSIC AND TERROR IN STALINIST RUSSIA

ROMP! (Reediana Omnibus Musica Philosopha), Reed College's annual symposium on music and the liberal arts, will turn its attention on January 20-22 (schedule follows) to the relationship between the murderous Stalinist political regime and its leading artists who served that regime while creating works of great beauty, complexity, and emotional expressiveness. ROMP!, sponsored by the Roth Family Foundation, will explore this topic through film, concerts, panels, and discussions. To complement ROMP!, Chamber Music Northwest, in conjunction with the Chamber Music Society of Lincoln Center, will present a three-concert series, "Masterpieces of the Russian Underground." The ROMP! symposium discussions and film screening are free and open to the public; for information for these events, call 503/788-6651 or visit web.reed.edu/romp. Concert pricing and ticket information is available from Chamber Music Northwest at 503/294-6400 or http://www.cmnw.org/encore2003.html#20030120. 
THE SYMPOSIUM
Speakers from the fields of musicology, art history, and film studies will explore the lives and works of composers Sergei Prokofiev and Dmitry Shostakovich, pianist Sviatoslav Richter (the subject of a documentary to be screened January 22), photographer Aleksandr Rodchenko, and film directors Sergei Eisenstein and Grigory Aleksandrov. 
THE CONCERTS
The three-concert series includes works by 14 Soviet and Russian composers, under the curatorship of distinguished pianist Vladimir Feltsman, with performers David Shifrin on clarinet, Ani Kavafian and Oleh Krysa on violins, Paul Neubauer on viola, and Gary Hoffman on cello. The concert series begins with Shostakovich's immortal E Minor Piano Trio; the second night includes Soviet works in which Western methods were carefully adapted to a world that was quick to condemn experimental musical languages as decadent; and the third night includes works by composers who began their careers as Soviet composers but are now leading voices in contemporary music worldwide. 

SCHEDULE
MONDAY, JANUARY 20
CONCERT
8 p.m., Kaul Auditorium
Chamber Music Northwest presents "Russian Expressionism: Shostakovich to Schnittke," which will also include compositions by Ustvolskaya and Vainberg. 

TUESDAY, JANUARY 21
PANEL  ­  "The Composer in the Soviet State"
4:30 p.m., psychology auditorium, free
Malcolm Brown, professor emeritus of music, Indiana University, will speak on "Prokofiev's 'Sacrifice to the Bitch Goddess'"; music scholar Laurel Fay will discuss "Shostakovich and the Struggle for the Soul of Soviet Music." Respondent: David Schiff, R. P. Wollenberg Professor of Music, Reed College.  

CONCERT
8 p.m., Kaul Auditorium
Chamber Music Northwest presents "Songs of Experience and Innocence: Serialism and Post-Modern Style," including compositions by Volkonsky, Denisov, Karetnikov, Silvestrov, and Kissine. 

WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 22
FILM SCREENING & DISCUSSION
Film: 12:30 p.m., psychology auditorium, free
Discussion: 3 p.m., psychology auditorium, free
Screening of Bruno Monsaingeon's 1998 documentary "Richter: The Enigma" followed by a roundtable discussion on the film led by James A. van Dyke, assistant professor of art history and humanities, Reed College. Panelists include Vladimir Feltsman, curator of the "Masterpieces of the Russian Underground" concert series.

PANEL  ­  "Artistic Avant-Garde and the Totalitarian Project"
4:30 p.m., psychology auditorium, free
Erika Wolf, assistant professor of art history, University of Rochester, will speak on "Modernism's Willing Executioner: Aleksandr Rodchenko at the White Sea Canal"; Anne Nesbet, assistant professor of Slavic languages and literatures and film, University of California­Berkeley, will discuss "'The Skeleton Dance': Animation, Terror and the Musical Film of the Soviet 1930s." Respondent: Lena Lencek, professor of Russian and humanities, Reed College.  

CONCERT
8 p.m., Kaul Auditorium
Chamber Music Northwest presents "'Mirror in the Mirror': Search for Unity and Order," including compositions by Zohrabian, Karayev, Gubaidulina, Kancheli, and Pärt.

Reed College, in Portland, Oregon, is an undergraduate institution of the liberal arts and sciences dedicated to sustaining the highest intellectual standards in the country. With an enrollment of about 1,360 students, Reed ranks third in the undergraduate origins of Ph.D.s in the United States and second in the number of Rhodes scholars from a liberal arts college (31 since 1915). 

This press release may also be found at http://administration.reed.edu/news/news. taf.

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From inessam at PRINCETON.EDU  Sat Dec 21 18:49:45 2002
From: inessam at PRINCETON.EDU (Inessa Medzhibovskaya)
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:49:45 -0500
Subject: AAASS'03 panel proposal
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Dear Colleagues,

I would like to organize a new panel at AAASS'03 in Toronto -- "Ages of
the World and Epochs of Human Development (Russian Case Studies)."  My
own paper will be on the theory of these epochs in Tolstoy.  I would
like to invite submissions treating time from the perspectives and in
the modes of antropomorphic imagination, as the space between the
secular and the sacred, the philosophy of time (the title of the panel
hints at Schelling but is not limited to his conceptions), the
apocalyptic and evolutionary competitions in the Russian scheme of
being  or the space of human time in a specific historical time frame.
The proposal welcomes interdisciplinarity (history, philosophy,
literature, religion, visual arts, education etc.) but does not presume
that it should override either more original or more traditional
treatments.  Self-nominations for chairing the panel/being its
discussant(s) are very welcome.

With warm holiday greetings to all,



Inessa Medzhibovskaya

ps. Please reply off-list.

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From Melissa_Sokol at BROWN.EDU  Mon Dec 23 05:20:24 2002
From: Melissa_Sokol at BROWN.EDU (Melissa J. Sokol)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 00:20:24 -0500
Subject: AAASS 2003 - Contemporary Russian Film
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Dear SEELANGers,

I would like to form a panel on contemporary Russian film for the 2003
AAASS Convention.  Such a panel could include but not be limited to studies
of a particular film, director, production company, or general trends.  If
you are interested, please respond off-list.  Thanks!

Regards,
Melissa Sokol
Melissa_Sokol at Brown.edu

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From hbaran at BELLATLANTIC.NET  Mon Dec 23 15:08:58 2002
From: hbaran at BELLATLANTIC.NET (Henryk Baran)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:08:58 -0500
Subject: AAASS 2003 panel on Pan-Slavism
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Colleagues,

I am in the process of putting together a panel dealing with Pan-Slavism in
its various manifestations - historical, cultural, literary, etc. - and
focusing in particular on the 19th-20th centuries. If you have a paper you
would like to contribute, or if you would wish to ask as a discussant,
please contact me off list. Thank you, and best wishes for the holidays.

Henryk Baran
Professor
University at Albany, SUNY

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From N20JACK at AOL.COM  Tue Dec 24 07:39:03 2002
From: N20JACK at AOL.COM (N20JACK at AOL.COM)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 02:39:03 EST
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20=A0=20=A0=20=A0=20[SEELANGS]=20Question=20o?=
 =?ISO-8859-1?Q?n=20Diacritical=20Marks=20in=20Mac=20OSX?=
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 Dear Colleagues,

Hopefully an easy question for a SEELANGER...

What is a simple way to place diacritical marks in Russian in Mac OS X ?

Thanks,

Jack

--
Jack Franke, Ph.D.
Professor of Russian, Defense Language Institute
Coordinator, European School I
Monterey, CA 93944
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Home: (831) 373-2704
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From uladzik at MAILBOX.HU  Tue Dec 24 15:03:03 2002
From: uladzik at MAILBOX.HU (Uladzimir Katkouski)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:03:03 +0100
Subject: x-mas
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Dear SEELANGERs,

Just wanted to say happy new year and merry x-mas to all the Slavic
specialists! I hope the upcoming year will be a much better one for the
Slavic departments in the American academia! Btw, here is the list of my
favorite books that I've read or re-read in 2002 and some that I'm
planning to read in 2003 (mostly those related to Belarus or Eastern
Europe):
http://www.pravapis.org/books2003.asp

Sa sviatami,
Uladzimir Katkouski





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From dorwin at CHASS.UTORONTO.CA  Wed Dec 25 02:05:04 2002
From: dorwin at CHASS.UTORONTO.CA (Donna Orwin)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 21:05:04 -0500
Subject: Tolstoy Studies Journal, 2002
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Dear Colleagues,

We are proud to announce that the 2002 issue of Tolstoy Studies Journal
is now available.  For details on how to purchase it, go to the Tolstoy
web site at www.tolstoystudies.org or www.utoronto.ca/tolstoy/.  The
table of contents this year is as follows:

TOLSTOY STUDIES JOURNAL         VOL. IVX                       2002

Note from the Editor
   Donna Tussing Orwin

_________________

Articles

Leo Tolstoy and the Rights of Music Under Stalin
 (Another Look at Prokofiev▓s Party-Minded Masterpiece, War and Peace)
   Caryl Emerson

Narrative and Miscarriages of Justice in Tolstoy▓s Resurrection
   Sarah Hudspith

A Clash of Utopias: Tolstoy and Gorky
   Hugh McLean

Maslova▓s Exorbitant Body
   Harriet Murav



>From The History of Tolstoy Criticism

Fedor Sologub■s ⌠The One Path of Lev Tolstoy■
 Introduction, translation, and annotation
   Jason Merrill


Poetry

Audience
   Carl Dennis

TVMen: Tolstoy
   Anne Carson


Archival Research


 Excerpts from A.D. Donskov, ed., Z. N. Ivanova and L. D. Gromova,
compilers.  Iz arkhiva N. N. Guseva: Novye materialy o L. N. Tolstom.
(Ottawa: Slavic Research Group at the University of Ottawa and State L.
N. Tolstoy Museum, Moscow, 2002).
 Introduction by Andrew Donskov
 Translations by John Woodsworth

Research Notes

Was Levin▓s sky  ⌠high■ or  ⌠quiet■ in Anna Karenina?
   Lidiia Gromova-Opulskaia

Saving Iasnaia Poliana
   Robert Croskey

Translating Tolstoy

I Come as a Thief: Notes on the Retranslation of War and Peace
   A. D. P. Briggs

Two More Views on the Pevear-Volokhonsky Translation of Anna Karenina,
 Carol Flath and Richard Sheldon,
 with a response from Hugh McLean

Tolstoy Scholarship in Russia and Abroad

Recent Publications and Annotated Bibliography for 2001-2002
   Paul Haddock

Supplement to the Annotated Bibliography for 1988-1994
   Mark Conliffe

Reviews

Lev Anninsky. Okhota na L▓va. (Michael Denner)

A.D. Donskov, ed., Z. N. Ivanova and L. D. Gromova, compilers.
 Iz arkhiva N. N. Guseva: Novye materialy o L. N. Tolstom. (Gary Jahn)

 Anna Glebovna Grodetskaia, Otvety predaniia: zhitiia sviatykh v
dukhovnom poiske L▓va Tolstogo. (Inna Medzhibovskaya)

Donna Orwin, ed. The Cambridge Companion to Tolstoy (Julie Buckler)

News from the Profession

Conference in Tbilisi
   Anne Hruska

Harvard Tolstoy Conference
   Justin Weir

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From lmadan at EXCITE.COM  Fri Dec 27 21:11:09 2002
From: lmadan at EXCITE.COM (Lewis Madanick)
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:11:09 -0500
Subject: Position - Staff Assistant, Russian Leadership Center,
 Office of the Librarian, Library of Congress
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 Position Announcement

Position Title: Staff Assistant, Russian Leadership Center, Office of the Librarian, The Library of Congress.

To find this posting and apply, one needs to look at http://www.loc.gov/hr/employment/jobposts.html and then Vacancy #020297 - Staff Assistant




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From ggerhart at ATTBI.COM  Mon Dec 30 19:41:26 2002
From: ggerhart at ATTBI.COM (Genevra Gerhart)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:41:26 -0800
Subject: AATSEEL meeting
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Please to report (either publicly or privately) any tidbits of interest
picked up at the AATSEEL meeting.

Genevra Gerhart

http://www.GenevraGerhart.com

ggerhart at attbi.com
(206) 329-0053

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