Khrushchev's words and his shoe banging

[pjs]

My vas zakopaem is aggressive, but Khrushchev is supposed to have said "My
vas pokhoronim". No?


On Fri, 2 May 2003, Yelena wrote:

> Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 18:40:37 +0400
> From: Yelena <vsem at RUSSIANEXPEDITION.NET>
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>  Sorry, I disagree. "My vas zakopaem" sounds quite aggressive. "Kuzkina
> mat'" is a euphemism for another rude expression which is usually used with
> a bawdy word (maternoie vyrazhenie). This expression still exists in many
> Southern villages. It is used when somebody seriously wants to threaten
> another person. Both expressions sound very rude for a Russian ear and quite
> aggressive. Thank you
>
> Sincerely yours, Yelena Minyonok
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "pjs" <pscotto at MTHOLYOKE.EDU>
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> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 5:54 PM
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>
>
> > I was a student in Lynn Visson's 2nd-year Russian class when she taught at
> > Columbia.  She told us then that the phrase was "My vas pokhoronim".  She
> > said that this was best understood to mean "We will be at your funeral
> > [when your system has expired and ours is triumphant]" It did not, she
> > argued, have the aggressive ring of "We wiil bury you" with its
> > implications of shovelling dirt over a still living body.
> >
> > Peter Scotto
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 2 May 2003, Lauren Leighton wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 08:47:08 -0500
> > > From: Lauren Leighton <laurengl at PTWI.NET>
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> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list
> > > [mailto:SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of elenka
> > > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 1:55 AM
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> > > Subject: [SEELANGS] Khrushchev's words and his shoe banging
> > >
> > >
> > > The person to ask about UN interpretation is, of course, Lynn Visson.
> The
> > > tricky original phrase translated as "We will bury you" and subsequently
> > > touted by U.S. propaganda as proof of Soviet aggressiveness was said by
> Kh
> > > at another time. (If I recall correctly.) I've heard that the prhase
> should
> > > have been translated as "We will outdig you," or "...outshovel you,"
> meaning
> > > that Socialism would overtake and surpass capitalism. Nabokov says that
> when
> > > an idiom or slang word or phrase cannot be translated, "A footnote will
> > > always do." Spasibo za vnimanie!.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear colleagues:
> > >
> > > I am trying to find precise information on Khrushchev's show banging in
> the
> > > UN
> > > Assembly. On Wednesday 12 October 1960, all national papers commented on
> > > Nikita Sergeyevich and his famous shoe banging.
> > >
> > >
> > > elenka at uvic.ca
> > >
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