From mp at MIPCO.COM  Mon Aug  2 00:41:57 2004
From: mp at MIPCO.COM (mipco)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 19:41:57 -0500
Subject: Panorama of Nevsky Prospekt
Message-ID: <SUN.1.AUG.2004.194157.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I have REAR ART Book

Panorama of Nevsky Prospekt
(two books in carton case)
Reproductions of Lithographs After watercolors By Sadovnikov Produced
By I. Ivanov and P. Ivanov and published by A. Prevost between 1830
and 1835.

TEXT IN ENGLISH, FRENCH, GERMAN & RUSSIAN

Leningrad (Russia) Aurora Art Publishers 1974

Decorative Hardboard, and paper back supplement 10. 5" x 11. 75" In
custom decorative slipcase.
78 pages followed by numerous duotone illustrations in fold-out
format; in wraps Oblong Quarto over 9 3/4"-12" tall.
Unpaginated book and paper back supplement with many gatefolds.

Please contact me directly for details at mp at mipco.com

Michael Peltsman
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http://www.mipco.com
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From pscotto at MTHOLYOKE.EDU  Mon Aug  2 01:36:19 2004
From: pscotto at MTHOLYOKE.EDU (pjs)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 21:36:19 -0400
Subject: Panorama of Nevsky Prospekt
In-Reply-To: <a06110449bd333d72737a@[216.17.5.187]>
Message-ID: <SUN.1.AUG.2004.213619.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

How much are you asking for it?

On Sun, 1 Aug 2004, mipco wrote:

> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 19:41:57 -0500
> From: mipco <mp at MIPCO.COM>
> Reply-To: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list
>     <SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
> To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
> Subject: [SEELANGS] Panorama of Nevsky Prospekt
>
> I have REAR ART Book
>
> Panorama of Nevsky Prospekt
> (two books in carton case)
> Reproductions of Lithographs After watercolors By Sadovnikov Produced
> By I. Ivanov and P. Ivanov and published by A. Prevost between 1830
> and 1835.
>
> TEXT IN ENGLISH, FRENCH, GERMAN & RUSSIAN
>
> Leningrad (Russia) Aurora Art Publishers 1974
>
> Decorative Hardboard, and paper back supplement 10. 5" x 11. 75" In
> custom decorative slipcase.
> 78 pages followed by numerous duotone illustrations in fold-out
> format; in wraps Oblong Quarto over 9 3/4"-12" tall.
> Unpaginated book and paper back supplement with many gatefolds.
>
> Please contact me directly for details at mp at mipco.com
>
> Michael Peltsman
> --
> M.I.P. Company
> P.O.B. 27484
> Minneapolis, Minnesota 55427 USA
> http://www.mipco.com
> mp at mipco.com
> phone:763-544-5915
> fax: 612-871-5733
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From lists at CESLIT.ORG  Mon Aug  2 13:56:44 2004
From: lists at CESLIT.ORG (CESLIT.org)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 09:56:44 -0400
Subject: CESLIT.org launched
Message-ID: <MON.2.AUG.2004.095644.0400.>

CESLIT.org is a new community weblog for those interested in Central/East
European and Slavic literature. Our intent is to provide a web-based forum
for news, announcements, links and discussion, and to encourage and
promote the translation and publication of literature from the region.
Visitors are welcome to create a free account and post news, announcements
or commentary, join ongoing discussions by posting commments, add a
weblink, or browse through our book and news links.

CESLIT.org is brand new, so please join and help the site grow.

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From ihelfant at MAIL.COLGATE.EDU  Wed Aug  4 13:42:23 2004
From: ihelfant at MAIL.COLGATE.EDU (Ian Helfant)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:42:23 -0400
Subject: please help with Moscow apartment search
Message-ID: <WED.4.AUG.2004.094223.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Fellow SEELANGERS – I’m leading the Colgate/Mt. Holyoke Consortial study
group in Moscow this fall and am trying to locate an apartment from
mid/late-August through mid-December (4 months) where I can stay with my
wife and twin year-old sons.  I’m currently in Vladimir with the group,
but will be in Moscow looking for an apartment next Wednesday and Thursday
(the 11th and 12th of August).  For the first time I've been using a
commercial real estate agency (www.evans.ru), but I'm concerned that they
won't come through with a reasonable set of possibilities (so far they're
speaking of two).  I’m looking for a decent place in the northern part of
the city with access within 2 km or so to a large park where my wife can
walk/run (jogging stroller) with the boys, and which will allow me also to
get to the Novoslobodskaia metro station on the northern edge of the
circle line (RGGU) within 40 minutes or less.  I can spend up to 1500 a
month if need be on the apartment.

If anyone knows of anything that roughly meets these criteria, please let
me know ASAP, ideally including a phone number I could call here in Russia
to speak with the potential landlords.  Please respond directly off-list
to ihelfant at mail.colgate.edu.  I much appreciate any
advise/suggestions/leads!  -- Ian Helfant (Assoc Prof of Russian/Colgate
University)

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From redorbrown at YAHOO.COM  Wed Aug  4 16:46:33 2004
From: redorbrown at YAHOO.COM (B. Shir)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 09:46:33 -0700
Subject: please help with Moscow apartment search
In-Reply-To: <LISTSERV%200408040942231090@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
Message-ID: <WED.4.AUG.2004.094633.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Ian,
 I have already called my Moscow friend whose mother-in-law
has a beautiful appartment 6 minutes from metro Yasenevo,
surrounded by parks. It is 20 minutes from metro
Kol'cevaia, but in Moscow it shouldn't be a problem to
reach Northern part. The name of my friend is Elena, her
husband is Alexander, see the email above.
You can contact them by email, or give your phone in
Moscow.
Elizabeth Ginzburg
--- Ian Helfant <ihelfant at MAIL.COLGATE.EDU> wrote:

> Fellow SEELANGERS � I�m leading the Colgate/Mt. Holyoke
> Consortial study
> group in Moscow this fall and am trying to locate an
> apartment from
> mid/late-August through mid-December (4 months) where I
> can stay with my
> wife and twin year-old sons.  I�m currently in Vladimir
> with the group,
> but will be in Moscow looking for an apartment next
> Wednesday and Thursday
> (the 11th and 12th of August).  For the first time I've
> been using a
> commercial real estate agency (www.evans.ru), but I'm
> concerned that they
> won't come through with a reasonable set of possibilities
> (so far they're
> speaking of two).  I�m looking for a decent place in the
> northern part of
> the city with access within 2 km or so to a large park
> where my wife can
> walk/run (jogging stroller) with the boys, and which will
> allow me also to
> get to the Novoslobodskaia metro station on the northern
> edge of the
> circle line (RGGU) within 40 minutes or less.  I can
> spend up to 1500 a
> month if need be on the apartment.
>
> If anyone knows of anything that roughly meets these
> criteria, please let
> me know ASAP, ideally including a phone number I could
> call here in Russia
> to speak with the potential landlords.  Please respond
> directly off-list
> to ihelfant at mail.colgate.edu.  I much appreciate any
> advise/suggestions/leads!  -- Ian Helfant (Assoc Prof of
> Russian/Colgate
> University)
>
>
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From kthresher at RMWC.EDU  Thu Aug  5 19:19:29 2004
From: kthresher at RMWC.EDU (Klawa Thresher)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 15:19:29 -0400
Subject: Recall: [SEELANGS] Rebecca Epstein Matveyev
Message-ID: <THU.5.AUG.2004.151929.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Klawa Thresher would like to recall the message, "[SEELANGS] Rebecca Epstein Matveyev".

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From adk59 at HOTMAIL.COM  Thu Aug  5 23:24:23 2004
From: adk59 at HOTMAIL.COM (Andrew Kaufman)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 16:24:23 -0700
Subject: tolstoy expertise
Message-ID: <THU.5.AUG.2004.162423.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Does anybody know of Leo Tolstoy's fairy tale, "Volk" ("The Wolf") and where
I can find a good English translation of it either online or in print?

thanks.
andy kaufman

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From mdenner at STETSON.EDU  Fri Aug  6 20:40:39 2004
From: mdenner at STETSON.EDU (Michael Denner)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 16:40:39 -0400
Subject: from the New York Times: Beer in Russia
Message-ID: <FRI.6.AUG.2004.164039.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

As Russia Discovers Beer, Deputies Try to End the Binge 

August 6, 2004 
 By STEVEN LEE MYERS 

MOSCOW, Aug. 5 - The land of vodka is awash in beer, in 
cafes, restaurants and bars, naturally, but also in the 
subway, on the sidewalk, in parks and virtually any other 
public place. At any time of the day Russians young and old 
- whether slacking students standing in gaggles or smartly 
dressed businessmen (or women) striding to and from work - 
are apt to appear in public, bottle in hand. 

Now Russia's lawmakers are trying to slow the tap. The 
lower house of Parliament unanimously approved a bill on 
Thursday that would significantly restrict the advertising 
and marketing of beer, a drink that all of a sudden is 
being blamed for much of what ails Russia, from youthful 
alcoholism to hooliganism and even political apathy. 

The law, if approved by the Federation Council and signed 
by President Vladimir V. Putin, would ban all 
advertisements for beer on television and radio from 7 a.m. 
to 10 p.m., starting Jan. 1. It would also restrict the 
content of those shown overnight to exclude images of 
people and animals and prohibit, among other things, 
slogans creating the "illusion that drinking beer is 
important for the achievement of social or other success." 

The restrictions would also extend to advertisements 
within 100 yards of hospitals, schools, sporting sites and 
cultural institutions. It would not, evidently, apply to 
the Parliament, which is currently surrounded by billboards 
for a beer called Zolotaya Bochka, or Golden Barrel, 
showing a chesty Olympic athlete beneath the slogan "Your 
Victory, Our Award." 

"It is a first step toward civilizing our advertising," 
Lyubov K. Sliska, the Parliament's first deputy speaker and 
a sponsor of the law, said in an interview after the vote. 

Aleksei V. Krivoshapko, an analyst at the United Financial 
Group in Moscow, said that the legislation, if enacted, 
would be the most restrictive in Europe. But the effect of 
the restrictions - especially on beer consumption - are far 
from clear. Opponents said the bill could hurt professional 
sports and television, since roughly 10 percent of the 
total of $1.5 billion a year spent on television 
commercials comes from breweries. 

How beer became the scourge of Russia's Parliament is a 
matter of debate, especially since the legislation had 
languished for at least two years before being revived this 
summer. 

Some detect the hidden hand of vodka distilleries fearful 
of beer's relentless growth, or that of the Russian 
Orthodox Church and other conservative voices that blame 
the ubiquity of beer advertising for the prevalence of 
under-age drinking. Others said the Parliament needed a 
populist distraction from an unpopular measure to replace 
social benefits - including free transport and health care 
- with cash payments, a proposal the Parliament also 
approved on Thursday in a third and final vote. 

"It is just a purely emotional reaction by populist 
deputies," Mr. Krivoshapko said in a telephone interview. 
"If they were really interested in the health of the 
nation, they would find a way to restrict vodka." 

There is no question, though, that demand for beer, which 
was in scarce supply in Soviet times, has surged. Per 
capita consumption of beer has doubled by volume since 
1998, when it was more or less equal to vodka and other 
hard liquors, reaching 52.5 liters last year, or about 14 
gallons, according to industry figures cited by Mr. 
Krivoshapko. 

For many Russians, beer is seen as little more than a soft 
drink, which is why it is not uncommon for people to drink 
beer in the morning and why beer was not even included when 
restrictions on alcohol advertising, including a ban on 
vodka commercials on television, were first adopted in 
1995. 

"When you walk around Moscow, it is hard to avoid groups of 
teenagers guzzling beer in amounts that would set a world 
record in a Munich beer tent," Vladimir Simonov wrote in a 
essay for the official Russian Information Agency, in which 
he raised the link between beer and voter apathy. 

To brewers, the bill sidesteps the problems associated with 
drinking by censoring free speech in advertising instead. 
"It is a stupid and ridiculous law," said Oleg Tinkov, the 
founder of the Tinkoff Private Brewery, whose commercials 
have been among the raciest on television. 

He said a better solution would be to raise taxes on beer, 
which typically sells for less than a dollar for a 
half-liter (or nearly 17-ounce) bottle, to raise the 
drinking age to 21, from 18, and to ban public drinking. 
The latter proposal has the endorsement of Vladimir V. 
Zhirinovksy, the nationalist leader of the Liberal 
Democratic Party, who railed against it in an interview on 
Ekho Moskvy radio last Friday, blaming television 
commercials. 

"Drinking beer in public should be considered bad manners 
and vulgarity," said Mr. Zhirinovsky, who franchised the 
rights to produce a line of vodka in his name. 

The director of the Union of Russian Brewers, Vyacheslav I. 
Mamontov, said that a more reasonable approach would be for 
the brewers to police themselves. Last year, the union's 
members adopted a "Code of Honor" promising not to take aim 
at children or encourage excessive drinking. 

Ms. Sliska, who belongs to the majority United Russia 
party, emphasized that the legislation was not inspired by 
a teetotaling zeal, but rather by a concern about the 
pernicious influence of advertising, particular on the 
young. 

"United Russia loves to drink,'' she said, "but we are for 
a healthy generation." 

Erin E. Arvedlund contributed reporting for this article. 


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/06/international/europe/06beer.html?ex=1092811840&ei=1&en=71fa10a7a6308298 



From ggerhart at COMCAST.NET  Fri Aug  6 22:04:35 2004
From: ggerhart at COMCAST.NET (Genevra Gerhart)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:04:35 -0700
Subject: from the New York Times: Beer in Russia
In-Reply-To: <0FAC95FF9D56EF4A90E0206B7B9FDB4F01F2D1BE@alpha.stetson.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.6.AUG.2004.150435.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Greetings,

Surely the consumption of beer on the streets should be discouraged. On the other hand the writer seems to be unaware that Russia is dying from _vodka_. Anything that helps take them off it is an improvement, including beer.

Genevra 

http://www.GenevraGerhart.com

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From anthony.j.vanchu1 at JSC.NASA.GOV  Fri Aug  6 22:18:56 2004
From: anthony.j.vanchu1 at JSC.NASA.GOV (VANCHU, ANTHONY J. (JSC-AH) (TTI))
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:18:56 -0500
Subject: from the New York Times: Beer in Russia
Message-ID: <FRI.6.AUG.2004.171856.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

If Russia is indeed dying, it's not from _vodka_ but from _alcoholism_.  And
to paraphrase Gertrude Stein, an alcoholic is an alcoholic is an
alcoholic...

It matters little whether it's vodka or beer that's being abused--the
ultimate effects will be the same.  All that the switch to beer does is to
change the vehicle through which the problem manifests itself--hardly an
improvement (except for the beer brewers...).  The problem is the
disease--alcoholism.

Tony Vanchu


-----Original Message-----
From: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list
[mailto:SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU] On Behalf Of Genevra Gerhart
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 5:05 PM
To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] from the New York Times: Beer in Russia


Greetings,

Surely the consumption of beer on the streets should be discouraged. On the
other hand the writer seems to be unaware that Russia is dying from _vodka_.
Anything that helps take them off it is an improvement, including beer.

Genevra

http://www.GenevraGerhart.com

ggerhart at comcast.net

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From ggerhart at COMCAST.NET  Sat Aug  7 00:39:30 2004
From: ggerhart at COMCAST.NET (Genevra Gerhart)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:39:30 -0700
Subject: from the New York Times: Beer in Russia
In-Reply-To: <2E10582870FE3146A2E7A6E0ECFE4F000743AC97@jsc-mail01.jsc.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <FRI.6.AUG.2004.173930.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Tony,
OK. Let's just say that beer makes alcoholism a more difficult achievement.
Its use is still better than vodka.

Genevra

http://www.GenevraGerhart.com

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From dg2158 at COLUMBIA.EDU  Sat Aug  7 13:05:34 2004
From: dg2158 at COLUMBIA.EDU (Dmitri Glinski)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 09:05:34 -0400
Subject: from the New York Times: Beer in Russia
In-Reply-To: <2E10582870FE3146A2E7A6E0ECFE4F000743AC97@jsc-mail01.jsc.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <SAT.7.AUG.2004.090534.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Sorry to intervene, but alcoholism itself is merely a symptom. It's
not drinking that leads to apathy, as the NYT is trying to suggest,
but just the opposite - a nationwide sense of powerlessness and
despair, with no room for personal or collective achievement, that
leads to alcoholism. But that, of course, you won't read in the New
York Times.

Dmitri Glinski
http://www.zvezda.ru/glinski.php


Quoting "VANCHU, ANTHONY J. (JSC-AH) (TTI)"
<anthony.j.vanchu1 at JSC.NASA.GOV>:

> If Russia is indeed dying, it's not from _vodka_ but from
> _alcoholism_.  And
> to paraphrase Gertrude Stein, an alcoholic is an alcoholic is an
> alcoholic...
>
> It matters little whether it's vodka or beer that's being
> abused--the
> ultimate effects will be the same.  All that the switch to beer
> does is to
> change the vehicle through which the problem manifests
> itself--hardly an
> improvement (except for the beer brewers...).  The problem is the
> disease--alcoholism.
>
> Tony Vanchu
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list
> [mailto:SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU] On Behalf Of Genevra Gerhart
> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 5:05 PM
> To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
> Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] from the New York Times: Beer in Russia
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> Surely the consumption of beer on the streets should be
> discouraged. On the
> other hand the writer seems to be unaware that Russia is dying
> from _vodka_.
> Anything that helps take them off it is an improvement, including
> beer.
>
> Genevra
>
> http://www.GenevraGerhart.com
>
> ggerhart at comcast.net
>
>
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From Zemedelec at AOL.COM  Sun Aug  8 12:51:39 2004
From: Zemedelec at AOL.COM (Leslie Farmer)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 08:51:39 EDT
Subject: from the New York Times: Beer in Russia
Message-ID: <SUN.8.AUG.2004.085139.EDT.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

In a message dated 8/07/2004 8:15:57, dg2158 at COLUMBIA.EDU writes:


> Sorry to intervene, but alcoholism itself is merely a symptom. It's
> not drinking that leads to apathy, as the NYT is trying to suggest,
> but just the opposite - a nationwide sense of powerlessness and
> despair, with no room for personal or collective achievement, that
> leads to alcoholism. But that, of course, you won't read in the New
> York Times.
>
>

This sounds like what a psychologist told me re inner-city African-Americans
 (very poor and effectively in a ghetto). A lot of what is seen as lack of
character, failing families, petty crime, etc., = really clinical depression.
Change the color and add some income, and you may still have a depressed
person, but he/she sees a psychologist and gets to talk it out, maybe referred to a
psychiatrist for medication.   This usually isn't available in the inner
city, but cheap alcohol is.

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From Alexei.Bogdanov at COLORADO.EDU  Mon Aug  9 13:58:04 2004
From: Alexei.Bogdanov at COLORADO.EDU (Alexei Bogdanov)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 07:58:04 -0600
Subject: Dictionaries
Message-ID: <MON.9.AUG.2004.075804.0600.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear All,

Here is a message from a friend; I'm sure that many of you will have
good suggestions.  I would specifically address those of you who have
translated Russian poetry into English.

"I'd like to expand my collection of Russian-English, English-Russian,
Russian-Russian dictionaries and I would be grateful for your advice.
As far as books available in the U. S., everyone seems to think the
book I already have is the best there is.  I went to a U. S. web site
that imports from Russia and found a possible candidate for an
English-Russian dictionary:

http://www.russianbuy.com/product_info.php?item=9035

For a Russian-English dictionary, I'd like something that covers
obsolete words dating back to Pushkin.  That's probably not possible,
so we're into Russian-Russian dictionaries.  The one I have (circa
1950's) has been somewhat helpful in helping me track down words
that don't appear in my regular dictionary (or online), but
I'd like something even more comprehensive, like the Russian equivalent
of the Oxford English dictionary.  I don't mind ordering directly from
Russia if you can point me to a reputable site.  Also, perhaps you
know of an online Russian-Russian dictionary that includes obsolete words."

Thanks in advance,
Alexei
======================
Alexei Bogdanov
University of Colorado at Boulder

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From thomas.keenan at YALE.EDU  Mon Aug  9 17:56:58 2004
From: thomas.keenan at YALE.EDU (Thomas Keenan)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:56:58 -0400
Subject: Dictionaries
In-Reply-To: <001d01c47e18$e3eb9ac0$fc9f8a80@D18JC241>
Message-ID: <MON.9.AUG.2004.135658.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I would say the dictionary you're looking for would be Vladimir Dal'-'s
(4 volumes)
TFK



Quoting Alexei Bogdanov <Alexei.Bogdanov at COLORADO.EDU>:

> Dear All,
>
> Here is a message from a friend; I'm sure that many of you will
> have
> good suggestions.  I would specifically address those of you who
> have
> translated Russian poetry into English.
>
> "I'd like to expand my collection of Russian-English,
> English-Russian,
> Russian-Russian dictionaries and I would be grateful for your
> advice.
> As far as books available in the U. S., everyone seems to think the
> book I already have is the best there is.  I went to a U. S. web
> site
> that imports from Russia and found a possible candidate for an
> English-Russian dictionary:
>
> http://www.russianbuy.com/product_info.php?item=9035
>
> For a Russian-English dictionary, I'd like something that covers
> obsolete words dating back to Pushkin.  That's probably not
> possible,
> so we're into Russian-Russian dictionaries.  The one I have (circa
> 1950's) has been somewhat helpful in helping me track down words
> that don't appear in my regular dictionary (or online), but
> I'd like something even more comprehensive, like the Russian
> equivalent
> of the Oxford English dictionary.  I don't mind ordering directly
> from
> Russia if you can point me to a reputable site.  Also, perhaps you
> know of an online Russian-Russian dictionary that includes obsolete
> words."
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Alexei
> ======================
> Alexei Bogdanov
> University of Colorado at Boulder
>
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From adk59 at HOTMAIL.COM  Mon Aug  9 20:47:47 2004
From: adk59 at HOTMAIL.COM (Andrew Kaufman)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:47:47 -0400
Subject: tolstoy humor
Message-ID: <MON.9.AUG.2004.164747.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I am going to be making a public presentation on Tolstoy soon, and it
would be great if I had a few humorous stories about Tolstoy. Does anybody
know any, or perhaps some other "juicy" tidbits about him that would
appeal to a contemporary audience?

Please reply to adk59 at hotmail.com
Thanks!

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From gsafran at STANFORD.EDU  Tue Aug 10 04:50:08 2004
From: gsafran at STANFORD.EDU (Gabriella Safran)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 21:50:08 -0700
Subject: unknown Shklovskii reference
Message-ID: <MON.9.AUG.2004.215008.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear All,
A friend just asked me if I knew the exact source of this quotation.  I
don't - do you?
take care,
GS


"If you wish to become a writer you  must examine a book as attentively as
a watchmaker a clock or a chauffeur a  car.  Cars are examined in the
following ways: The most idiotic people come to  the automobile and press
the balloon of its horn.  This is the first degree of  stupidity.  People
who know a little  more about cars but overestimate their knowledge come to
the car and fiddle with  its stick-shift.  This is also stupid, and even
bad, because one should not touch a thing for which another worker is
responsible.

The understanding man scrutinizes the car serenely and comprehends 'what
is for what': why it has so many cylinders and why it has big wheels, where
its  transmission is situated, and why its rear is cut in an acute angle
and its  radiator unpolished.

This is the way one should read."
--Viktor Shklovski

Gabriella Safran
Associate Professor
Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures
Stanford University
Stanford, CA  94305-2006

650-723-4414

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From michael.pushkin at BTOPENWORLD.COM  Tue Aug 10 10:02:59 2004
From: michael.pushkin at BTOPENWORLD.COM (michael.pushkin)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:02:59 +0100
Subject: *Re: [SEELANGS] unknown Shklovskii reference
Message-ID: <TUE.10.AUG.2004.110259.0100.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

There are a number of references to the car in "ZOO ili Pis'ma ne o lyubvi"
(eg. Pis'mo vstupitel'noe, Pi'sma 16, 26), but unfortunately not this
particular reference, as far as I can see. Sorry, that's not very helpful.

Perhaps go on to www.aport.ru and in the "Search" line type in (in
Cyrillic - Russian typewriter keyboard layout), say, "Viktor Shklovskii
avtomobil'" or "Viktor Shklovskii shofer". A lot of references will come up
on the general subject of former chauffeur VBSh and his well-known obsession
with cars. One might just be the right one.

Good luck.

Mike Pushkin

*    *    *    *    *    *    *    *    *    *    *    *    *    *    *    *
*    *    *    *    *    *    *    *    *    *    *    *    *

Michael Pushkin

Honorary Senior Lecturer

Centre for Russian and East European Studies

European Research Institute

University of Birmingham

Edgbaston

Birmingham

B15 2TT

UK




michael.pushkin at btopenworld.com

m.pushkin at bham.ac.uk


____________________________________________________________________________
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gabriella Safran" <gsafran at STANFORD.EDU>
To: <SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 5:50 AM
Subject: [SEELANGS] unknown Shklovskii reference


> Dear All,
> A friend just asked me if I knew the exact source of this quotation.  I
> don't - do you?
> take care,
> GS
>
>
> "If you wish to become a writer you  must examine a book as attentively as
> a watchmaker a clock or a chauffeur a  car.  Cars are examined in the
> following ways: The most idiotic people come to  the automobile and press
> the balloon of its horn.  This is the first degree of  stupidity.  People
> who know a little  more about cars but overestimate their knowledge come
to
> the car and fiddle with  its stick-shift.  This is also stupid, and even
> bad, because one should not touch a thing for which another worker is
> responsible.
>
> The understanding man scrutinizes the car serenely and comprehends 'what
> is for what': why it has so many cylinders and why it has big wheels,
where
> its  transmission is situated, and why its rear is cut in an acute angle
> and its  radiator unpolished.
>
> This is the way one should read."
> --Viktor Shklovski
>
> Gabriella Safran
> Associate Professor
> Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures
> Stanford University
> Stanford, CA  94305-2006
>
> 650-723-4414
>
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From apsiegel at UCDAVIS.EDU  Tue Aug 10 15:13:34 2004
From: apsiegel at UCDAVIS.EDU (Adam Siegel)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:13:34 -0700
Subject: unknown Shklovskii reference
In-Reply-To: <1092113408.4118540038f1f@webmail.stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.10.AUG.2004.081334.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Gabriella,

Regarding Shklovskii...I don't have my copy with me, but this sounds like
something from "Tekhnika pisatel'skogo remesla."

Adam

===========
Adam Siegel
Humanities and Social Sciences Reference Librarian
Peter J. Shields Library
100 North West Quad
University of California, Davis
Davis, CA 95616
apsiegel at ucdavis.edu
530-754-6828

On Mon, 9 Aug 2004, Gabriella Safran wrote:

> Dear All,
> A friend just asked me if I knew the exact source of this quotation.  I
> don't - do you?
> take care,
> GS
>
>
> "If you wish to become a writer you  must examine a book as attentively as
> a watchmaker a clock or a chauffeur a  car.  Cars are examined in the
> following ways: The most idiotic people come to  the automobile and press
> the balloon of its horn.  This is the first degree of  stupidity.  People
> who know a little  more about cars but overestimate their knowledge come to
> the car and fiddle with  its stick-shift.  This is also stupid, and even
> bad, because one should not touch a thing for which another worker is
> responsible.
>
> The understanding man scrutinizes the car serenely and comprehends 'what
> is for what': why it has so many cylinders and why it has big wheels, where
> its  transmission is situated, and why its rear is cut in an acute angle
> and its  radiator unpolished.
>
> This is the way one should read."
> --Viktor Shklovski
>
> Gabriella Safran
> Associate Professor
> Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures
> Stanford University
> Stanford, CA  94305-2006
>
> 650-723-4414
>
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From tsergay at COLUMBUS.RR.COM  Tue Aug 10 15:39:58 2004
From: tsergay at COLUMBUS.RR.COM (Timothy D. Sergay)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:39:58 -0400
Subject: unknown Shklovskii reference
Message-ID: <TUE.10.AUG.2004.113958.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Gabriella and all,

    There are a couple references on the runet to the effect that this riff
from Shklovsky was recalled by Tynyanov and reproduced in Lidia Ginzburg's
vospominaniia. I searched for "Viktor Shklovskii" avtomobil' at google.ru.
>From the translation you quoted, I think you'd expect the Russian idiom
"chto k chemu" to figure in the original text ("comprehends 'what is for
what'"), but adding "chto k chemu" didn't lead to this full quotation (it
may not be posted anywhere in full).

    Best,

    Tim Sergay

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From tsergay at COLUMBUS.RR.COM  Tue Aug 10 16:11:26 2004
From: tsergay at COLUMBUS.RR.COM (Timothy D. Sergay)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:11:26 -0400
Subject: unknown Shklovskii reference
Message-ID: <TUE.10.AUG.2004.121126.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

An addendum: Out of curiousity and the habit of procrastinating, I checked
in my copy of Ginzburg's Zapisnye knizhki. Vospominaniia. Esse (Saint
Petersburg: Iskusstvo-SPB, 2002). I couldn't find this place right away by
checking common pages between Tynyanov and Shklovskii in the index, but I
found this evocative and corrobotative place from her unpublished entries
for 1925/26: "Tynyanov <...> so svoei nemnogo obez'ian'ei zhestikuliatsiei i
s prekrasnym, prostym pafosom umnogo cheloveka govoril: 'Shklovskii prezhde
vsego monter, mekhanik...' 'I shofer', -- podskazal kto-to iz nas. 'Da, i
shofer. On verit v konstruktsiiu. On dumaet, chto znaet, kak sdelan
avtomobil'. A ia, esli khotite, determinist. Ia chuvstvuiu, kak nechto
perepleskivaetsia cherez menia. Ia chuvstvuiu, chto menia delaet istoriia'"
(p. 369).

Best wishes,
Tim

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From vanya1v at YAHOO.COM  Tue Aug 10 16:44:53 2004
From: vanya1v at YAHOO.COM (J.W.)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:44:53 -0400
Subject: Dictionaries
Message-ID: <TUE.10.AUG.2004.124453.0400.>

Ottawa (Canada), Tuesday 10/8/04 12h45 EDT

It might be noted that the Dal' dictionary is available on-line at:
http://vidahl.agava.ru/

John Woodsworth, Research Associate
Slavic Research Group at the University of Ottawa

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From gsabo at JCU.EDU  Tue Aug 10 16:44:46 2004
From: gsabo at JCU.EDU (Gerald J. Sabo)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:44:46 -0400
Subject: Question on a recent Russian film
Message-ID: <TUE.10.AUG.2004.124446.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

A colleague is seeking to find a copy on VHS or preferably
on DVD of a film supposedly entitled Romanovs: The Imperial
Family by Gleb Panfilov.  I have checked Facets and Amazon
for this film but to no avail.  Would someone have further
information or suggestions?  Thanks--Jerry Sabo.

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From klinela at PROVIDE.NET  Tue Aug 10 19:04:39 2004
From: klinela at PROVIDE.NET (Laura Kline)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:04:39 -0400
Subject: Question on a recent Russian film
In-Reply-To: <7269217a.6dc2364d.8235b00@mirapoint.jcu.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.10.AUG.2004.150439.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I have a copy of it on PAL which I got in Russia. It is in Russian without
subtitles. I could make a copy for him.
Best,

Laura Kline
Lecturer in Russian
Department of German and Slavic Studies
Wayne State University
450 Manoogian
906 W. Warren
Detroit, MI  48197
(313) 577-2666
www.shalamov.com

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From Janneke.vandeStadt at WILLIAMS.EDU  Tue Aug 10 20:17:03 2004
From: Janneke.vandeStadt at WILLIAMS.EDU (Janneke vandeStadt)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:17:03 -0400
Subject: Serafima Roll
In-Reply-To: <008901c47f0c$e5dbf830$ad5b56d8@laura216mrltlb>
Message-ID: <TUE.10.AUG.2004.161703.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Colleagues,

Does anyone have contact information for Serafima Roll?  I have an e-mail
address at McGill, but, apparently she is no longer there.

Any info would be great!

Thanks,

Janneke

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From a_strat at KHARKOV.COM  Tue Aug 10 23:39:33 2004
From: a_strat at KHARKOV.COM (Alex)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:39:33 +0300
Subject: tolstoy humor
Message-ID: <WED.11.AUG.2004.023933.0300.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

You know, Andrew, what is funny?
I think we all imagine the famous Leo as a weird
old man with white beard in a baggy shirt.
I bet virtually nobody would be able to picture
his image as a young man or even a middle age man.
Говорят, что Ленин "обозвал" классика
"зеркалом русской революции", но сам он
"...когда был маленький - с курчавой головой -
то тоже бегал в валенках по горке ледяной!..."
Да... в наших головах образ вождя прописан
с "курчавого" детства и до самого конца...
А вот литературный гений так и остался,
как господь бог,  в образе седого старца...

Дядя Саша

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From lily.alexander at UTORONTO.CA  Wed Aug 11 01:59:43 2004
From: lily.alexander at UTORONTO.CA (Lily Alexander)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:59:43 -0400
Subject: Young Tolstoy
Message-ID: <TUE.10.AUG.2004.215943.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Actually there are several very interesting portraits of Tolstoy as a
young man. See the links below.

http://flag.blackened.net/tolstoy/lt_1848.jpg

http://flag.blackened.net/tolstoy/

Lily Alexander

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From donna.orwin at UTORONTO.CA  Thu Aug 12 04:06:06 2004
From: donna.orwin at UTORONTO.CA (Donna Orwin)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:06:06 -0400
Subject: Young Tolstoy
In-Reply-To: <41197D8F.4010102@utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <THU.12.AUG.2004.000606.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Colleagues,

Almost all the portraits on this link, and many others are available at
tolstoystudies.org, which is the web address for Tolstoy Studies
Journal.

Best to all,

Donna Orwin



----------------------------
Prof. Donna Tussing Orwin
Editor, Tolstoy Studies Journal
Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures
University of Toronto
Alumni Hall 415
121 St. Joseph St.
Toronto. ON M5S 1J4
Tel. 416-926-1300. ext. 3316


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU] On Behalf Of Lily Alexander
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 10:00 PM
To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: [SEELANGS] Young Tolstoy

Actually there are several very interesting portraits of Tolstoy as a
young man. See the links below.

http://flag.blackened.net/tolstoy/lt_1848.jpg

http://flag.blackened.net/tolstoy/

Lily Alexander

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From manetti at POCZTA.GAZETA.PL  Wed Aug 11 19:06:21 2004
From: manetti at POCZTA.GAZETA.PL (Christina Manetti)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:06:21 -0400
Subject: apartment for rent in Warsaw's Old Town
Message-ID: <WED.11.AUG.2004.150621.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELANGERS,

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at least for the academic year 2004-5.

It was recently renovated to a high standard, fully furnished and equipped
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A second apartment around the corner by the Kilinski monument on Podwale
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If anyone is interested, please contact me at manetti at gazeta.pl or, if for
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Please spread the word!

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From irene at HIPERISM.COM  Thu Aug 12 01:10:12 2004
From: irene at HIPERISM.COM (Irene Delic)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:10:12 -0700
Subject: unknown Shklovskii reference
In-Reply-To: <00f201c47ef4$b01ee030$6401a8c0@blackie>
Message-ID: <WED.11.AUG.2004.181012.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

According to Peter Steiner's Russian Formalism, the quote is to be found in
Technika pisatel'skogo remesla,Moscow 1928,pp. 7-8. The quote in Steiner is
on p. 46.

-----Original Message-----
From: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list
[mailto:SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of Timothy D. Sergay
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 9:11 AM
To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] unknown Shklovskii reference


An addendum: Out of curiousity and the habit of procrastinating, I checked
in my copy of Ginzburg's Zapisnye knizhki. Vospominaniia. Esse (Saint
Petersburg: Iskusstvo-SPB, 2002). I couldn't find this place right away by
checking common pages between Tynyanov and Shklovskii in the index, but I
found this evocative and corrobotative place from her unpublished entries
for 1925/26: "Tynyanov <...> so svoei nemnogo obez'ian'ei zhestikuliatsiei i
s prekrasnym, prostym pafosom umnogo cheloveka govoril: 'Shklovskii prezhde
vsego monter, mekhanik...' 'I shofer', -- podskazal kto-to iz nas. 'Da, i
shofer. On verit v konstruktsiiu. On dumaet, chto znaet, kak sdelan
avtomobil'. A ia, esli khotite, determinist. Ia chuvstvuiu, kak nechto
perepleskivaetsia cherez menia. Ia chuvstvuiu, chto menia delaet istoriia'"
(p. 369).

Best wishes,
Tim

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From gsafran at STANFORD.EDU  Wed Aug 11 23:34:51 2004
From: gsafran at STANFORD.EDU (Gabriella Safran)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:34:51 -0700
Subject: unknown Shklovskii reference found
In-Reply-To: <GCENLJOALPDEHHHPPBLAEELCCAAA.irene@hiperism.com>
Message-ID: <WED.11.AUG.2004.163451.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Many thanks to Irene, Tim, and everyone else!
take care,
GS

>According to Peter Steiner's Russian Formalism, the quote is to be found in
>Technika pisatel'skogo remesla,Moscow 1928,pp. 7-8. The quote in Steiner is
>on p. 46.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list
>[mailto:SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of Timothy D. Sergay
>Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 9:11 AM
>To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
>Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] unknown Shklovskii reference
>
>
>An addendum: Out of curiousity and the habit of procrastinating, I checked
>in my copy of Ginzburg's Zapisnye knizhki. Vospominaniia. Esse (Saint
>Petersburg: Iskusstvo-SPB, 2002). I couldn't find this place right away by
>checking common pages between Tynyanov and Shklovskii in the index, but I
>found this evocative and corrobotative place from her unpublished entries
>for 1925/26: "Tynyanov <...> so svoei nemnogo obez'ian'ei zhestikuliatsiei i
>s prekrasnym, prostym pafosom umnogo cheloveka govoril: 'Shklovskii prezhde
>vsego monter, mekhanik...' 'I shofer', -- podskazal kto-to iz nas. 'Da, i
>shofer. On verit v konstruktsiiu. On dumaet, chto znaet, kak sdelan
>avtomobil'. A ia, esli khotite, determinist. Ia chuvstvuiu, kak nechto
>perepleskivaetsia cherez menia. Ia chuvstvuiu, chto menia delaet istoriia'"
>(p. 369).
>
>Best wishes,
>Tim
>
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From nflrc at HAWAII.EDU  Thu Aug 12 03:49:19 2004
From: nflrc at HAWAII.EDU (National Foreign Language Resource Center)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:49:19 -1000
Subject: REMINDER: Cultural Diversity and Language Education Conference in
 Hawaii (pre-register now - August 27 deadline!)
Message-ID: <WED.11.AUG.2004.174919.1000.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Our apologies for any cross-postings . . .


          "CULTURAL DIVERSITY AND LANGUAGE EDUCATION" CONFERENCE

                   Imin International Conference Center
                University of Hawai'i at Manoa, Honolulu, HI
                            SEPTEMBER 17-19, 2004

                   http://nflrc.hawaii.edu/prodev/CDALE/

                PRE-REGISTRATION DEADLINE:  AUGUST 27, 2004

KEYNOTES:
* "Language, Literacy, and Culture: Making The Connection"
        - SONIA NIETO, University of Massachusetts, Amherst
* "Transforming Literacy"
        - GLYNDA A. HULL, University of California, Berkeley
* A panel of local Hawaiian experts

The conference will focus on theories, policies, and practices associated
with cultural and language diversity in educational contexts and will
provide a forum for examining a broad range of issues concerned with the
potential and challenges of education that builds on diversity.  The
primary strands for exploring diversity in language education at the
conference are:

- Foreign/Heritage Language Education
- Bilingual/Immersion Education
- English Language Education
- Language Education Planning and Policy
- Literacy Education

Conference highlights will include the aforementioned keynote addresses,
colloquia and paper presentations, and hands-on workshops, plus a variety
of planned social events (including a fabulous ticketed reception at the
Waikiki Aquarium).

Need more information?  Visit our website at:
http://nflrc.hawaii.edu/prodev/CDALE/


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From russell-valentino at UIOWA.EDU  Thu Aug 12 06:18:22 2004
From: russell-valentino at UIOWA.EDU (Russell Valentino)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 01:18:22 -0500
Subject: Fwd: How are large numbers written in former Yugoslavia?
Message-ID: <THU.12.AUG.2004.011822.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

A colleague in the Iowa Testing Program is preparing math tests for children
who's first language is Bosnian, Serbian, or Croatian. She asks the question
below. Anyone with an answer, please reply to me off list, and I'll be happy to
forward responses to her.

Thank you.

Russell Valentino

----- Forwarded message from Gayle Bray <gayle-bray at uiowa.edu> -----

In making inquires about how numbers over 10,000 are notated, I have heard a
variety of things from several reliable sources. X told me that in some areas,
a comma is used to separate the groups of figures, as in the U.S., and in other
areas a period is used. A second person told me that a small space is used. Yet
another person said she remembers using a small space OR a period.
        Of course, it's possible that there are regional differences
or generational differences. Do you have any idea how kids nowadays
are taught to write these numbers in the countries of the former
Yugoslavia?
----- End forwarded message -----

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From eelias at FAS.HARVARD.EDU  Thu Aug 12 12:35:15 2004
From: eelias at FAS.HARVARD.EDU (Ellen Elias-Bursac)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:35:15 -0400
Subject: Fwd: How are large numbers written in former Yugoslavia?
In-Reply-To: <1092291502.411b0bae1f117@webmail3.its.uiowa.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.12.AUG.2004.083515.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

The rule as I learned it is that you have alternating commas and periods,
in such a way that 15,000,000.00 (fifteen million) in English would be
written:  15,000.000,00
        Note that where we have a decimal point, they have a comma. It is
true that sometimes numbers are written with a small space, but the
alternating comma and period system is the standard way I learned. Since
one writes thousands much more often than millions, people are most
familiar with the period for thousands: 1.300 for one thousand three
hundred, and may not realize that there would be a comma for millions.
Ellen Elias-Bursac


On Thu, 12 Aug 2004, Russell Valentino wrote:

> A colleague in the Iowa Testing Program is preparing math tests for children
> who's first language is Bosnian, Serbian, or Croatian. She asks the question
> below. Anyone with an answer, please reply to me off list, and I'll be happy to
> forward responses to her.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Russell Valentino
>
> ----- Forwarded message from Gayle Bray <gayle-bray at uiowa.edu> -----
>
> In making inquires about how numbers over 10,000 are notated, I have heard a
> variety of things from several reliable sources. X told me that in some areas,
> a comma is used to separate the groups of figures, as in the U.S., and in other
> areas a period is used. A second person told me that a small space is used. Yet
> another person said she remembers using a small space OR a period.
>         Of course, it's possible that there are regional differences
> or generational differences. Do you have any idea how kids nowadays
> are taught to write these numbers in the countries of the former
> Yugoslavia?
> ----- End forwarded message -----
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From jrobinl2004 at YAHOO.COM  Thu Aug 12 15:36:04 2004
From: jrobinl2004 at YAHOO.COM (Robin Ladouceur)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 11:36:04 -0400
Subject: Apartment in Moscow for Rent
Message-ID: <THU.12.AUG.2004.113604.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Apartment for rent

Astrakhanskii pereulok, near metro Prospect Mira. A spacious 4 room flat,
115 sq. m., will be available for 10 months starting in September. The
rennovated apartment is fully-furnished, comfortable, and very well-
equipped with a washing machine, dish washer, TV-VCR, refridgerator,
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are large and separate. The apartment is located in a quiet residential
area not far from the American Medical Center, the metro, and the Garden
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The price for 4 room flat is 1600 $ per month.
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From goscilo+ at PITT.EDU  Thu Aug 12 16:26:35 2004
From: goscilo+ at PITT.EDU (goscilo)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:26:35 -0400
Subject: For those who knew them
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0407222017180.637@ls04.fas.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.12.AUG.2004.122635.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Colleagues,

For those who may not know but care:

The writer Irina Polianskaia died 2 August 2004.

The critic/RGGU administrator Galina Belaia died early 12 August 2004.

Helena Goscilo

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From michael.pushkin at BTOPENWORLD.COM  Thu Aug 12 18:19:42 2004
From: michael.pushkin at BTOPENWORLD.COM (michael.pushkin)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:19:42 +0100
Subject: For those who knew them
Message-ID: <THU.12.AUG.2004.191942.0100.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear friends,

Sad news about Galina Belaya. She died during the night of 10-11 August, not
24 hours later. A Moscow colleague telephoned me about it yesterday morning
(11th).

The funeral will apparently take place this Monday.

Mike Pushkin
CREES
The University of Birmingham
UK


----- Original Message -----
From: "goscilo" <goscilo+ at PITT.EDU>
To: <SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 5:26 PM
Subject: [SEELANGS] For those who knew them


> Dear Colleagues,
>
> For those who may not know but care:
>
> The writer Irina Polianskaia died 2 August 2004.
>
> The critic/RGGU administrator Galina Belaia died early 12 August 2004.
>
> Helena Goscilo
>
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From kthresher at RMWC.EDU  Thu Aug 12 19:54:00 2004
From: kthresher at RMWC.EDU (Klawa Thresher)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:54:00 -0400
Subject: Russian language enrollement
Message-ID: <THU.12.AUG.2004.155400.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Kathleen,

First of all, congratulations on what you have accomplished, and best of luck to you in the future.  I had a somewhat similar experience, coming into a program that people did not think was worth saving - and after ten years and four different deans, my position has now become tenured.  I am looking forward to building an even stronger program, and in reading your message (it was saved all this time in a file!) I was struck by your numbers in the second and third year courses, and was wondering if you have any comments about your wonderful persistence rate.  I have often consoled myself about our numbers by reminding myself that the attrition rate between levels averages about 50%.  It seems that you do much better than this and I am wondering how you do it?  Again, congratulations and wishes for continued success.

Best,
Klawa Thresher

-----Original Message-----
From: kathleen ahern [mailto:k_ahern at UNCG.EDU]
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 3:01 PM
To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] Russian language enrollement


The University of North Carolina at Greensboro has been fighting the
enrollment battle for several years. I agree that small departments
have a difficult task ahead in these times of enrollment driven
administrative decisions. When I was hired full-time (non tenure track)
in 1999 (to replace a retiring tenured professor) I was told by our
administration that while it was nice I wanted to make an effort to
increase enrollments, Russian Studies at UNCG was on the decline and
it was unlikely there would ever be much growth, much less a tenure
track appointment. Our enrollments have been low, but have held
steady. I have 12 students in the first year course, about the same
in a second year course, and we had 9 students in third year this
fall, but only 3 in that group this spring.

I have just begun a tenure track appointment here this year, we have
hired two part time instructors who have excellent credentials. We are
moving ahead to improve our Russian Studies program, which is one of
our strengths. Our courses taught in English have also helped us to
stave off severe criticism and all three instructors are teaching in
broad university programs (Freshman Seminars and Residential College)
to increase awareness of Russian language and culture on campus.

Finally, one of the greatest assets I think we have is the very fact
that we ARE a small department. Students who enroll in Russian at UNCG
feel connected to a community, supported by their faculty, and are
less likely to withdraw from classes and/or fail.

I would encourage anyone who is struggling with these issues to contact
me off list. Best of luck!
----------------------
Kathleen Ahern, PhD
Department of German Russian and Japanese Studies
335 McIver Building
UNCG
PO Box 26170
Greensboro, NC 27402

336-334-5427 telephone
336-334-5885 fax
k_ahern at uncg.edu

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From natalia.pylypiuk at UALBERTA.CA  Fri Aug 13 03:13:44 2004
From: natalia.pylypiuk at UALBERTA.CA (Natalia Pylypiuk)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:13:44 -0600
Subject: Teaching Assistanships, Felowships, etc.
In-Reply-To: <1391902726.1092313595@ehdup-e-88.rmt.net.pitt.edu>
Message-ID: <THU.12.AUG.2004.211344.0600.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Colleagues,

I turn to those among you who are course coordinators, especially
within language programs:
Would you please let me know, off line,

(1)  who in you department is responsible for assigning
Teaching Assistantships  and/or Teaching Fellowships to Graduate
Students -- the Course Coordinator or the department's graduate office?
  Does anyone else have a voice?

(2) does the coordinator get to see the graduate student's file before
any decisions are made?

(3) in cases where teachers of course sections are sessional
instructors (rather than
graduate students), is there a regular review of their performance by
the coordinator?

(4) who keeps the files containing undergraduate student evaluations of
  the teaching performance of Graduate Student Teachers and/or Sessional
teachers?  Is it the coordinator?  Someone else?

I would be most grateful for your responses.

Best,

Natalia Pylypiuk
U of Alberta

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From ggerhart at COMCAST.NET  Fri Aug 13 20:15:28 2004
From: ggerhart at COMCAST.NET (Genevra Gerhart)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:15:28 -0700
Subject: Teaching Assistanships, Felowships, etc.
In-Reply-To: <C89A7591-ECD6-11D8-A0D2-00306549D90E@ualberta.ca>
Message-ID: <FRI.13.AUG.2004.131528.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Natalia,
If you get more than two answers to your nicely framed questions, it would
be great to post them to the list.

Genevra

http://www.GenevraGerhart.com

ggerhart at comcast.net


To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: [SEELANGS] Teaching Assistanships, Felowships, etc.


Dear Colleagues,

I turn to those among you who are course coordinators, especially
within language programs:
Would you please let me know, off line,

(1)  who in you department is responsible for assigning
Teaching Assistantships  and/or Teaching Fellowships to Graduate
Students -- the Course Coordinator or the department's graduate office?
  Does anyone else have a voice?

(2) does the coordinator get to see the graduate student's file before
any decisions are made?

(3) in cases where teachers of course sections are sessional
instructors (rather than
graduate students), is there a regular review of their performance by
the coordinator?

(4) who keeps the files containing undergraduate student evaluations of
  the teaching performance of Graduate Student Teachers and/or Sessional
teachers?  Is it the coordinator?  Someone else?

I would be most grateful for your responses.

Best,

Natalia Pylypiuk
U of Alberta

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From nafpaktitism at VIRGINIA.EDU  Fri Aug 13 21:59:45 2004
From: nafpaktitism at VIRGINIA.EDU (Margarita Nafpaktitis)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:59:45 -0400
Subject: finding video/DVD of Russian TV programs
Message-ID: <FRI.13.AUG.2004.175945.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear colleagues,

Does anyone have any experience (preferably successful,
but otherwise would also be informative) with trying to
find video/DVD of Russian television programs? My wish
list includes: episodes of "Kukly," the serial "Uboinaia
sila" (the one that ran in 2002 - there's an earlier one
with the same name that *is* available on DVD, but that's
not the one I'm looking for), and "Ulitsa Sezam."

Thank you in advance,

Margarita
************************************
Margarita Nafpaktitis, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor, Department of Slavic Languages &
Literatures
University of Virginia
109 New Cabell Hall / PO Box 400783
Charlottesville, Virginia 22904-4783
Tel: (434) 924-3548   FAX: (434) 982-2744

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From sscotto at MTHOLYOKE.EDU  Sat Aug 14 02:43:54 2004
From: sscotto at MTHOLYOKE.EDU (Susan Scotto)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:43:54 -0400
Subject: finding video/DVD of Russian TV programs
In-Reply-To: <web-94309329@cgatepro-3.mail.virginia.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.13.AUG.2004.224354.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

The website www.rbcmp3.com has many Russian serials available on DVD, both in
NTSC and PAL.  I recall seeing "Uboinaia sila" on their site, but don't know
which year.

-Susan Scotto

Quoting Margarita Nafpaktitis <nafpaktitism at VIRGINIA.EDU>:

> Dear colleagues,
>
> Does anyone have any experience (preferably successful,
> but otherwise would also be informative) with trying to
> find video/DVD of Russian television programs? My wish
> list includes: episodes of "Kukly," the serial "Uboinaia
> sila" (the one that ran in 2002 - there's an earlier one
> with the same name that *is* available on DVD, but that's
> not the one I'm looking for), and "Ulitsa Sezam."
>
> Thank you in advance,
>
> Margarita
> ************************************
> Margarita Nafpaktitis, Ph.D.
> Assistant Professor, Department of Slavic Languages &
> Literatures
> University of Virginia
> 109 New Cabell Hall / PO Box 400783
> Charlottesville, Virginia 22904-4783
> Tel: (434) 924-3548   FAX: (434) 982-2744
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From brifkin at WISC.EDU  Sun Aug 15 04:42:42 2004
From: brifkin at WISC.EDU (Benjamin Rifkin)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 23:42:42 -0500
Subject: Milosz
Message-ID: <SAT.14.AUG.2004.234242.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELANGers:

Czeslaw Milosz died today (14 Aug 2004) in Krakow at age 93.  There is a
story on cnn.com at

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/08/14/poland.milosz.ap/index.html

A sad day for all of us ...

Sincerely,

Ben Rifkin

*************
Benjamin Rifkin
University of Wisconsin-Madison

Professor and Chair, Slavic Dept.
1432 Van Hise, 1220 Linden Dr.
Madison, WI 53706 USA
(608) 262-1623; Fax (608) 265-2814
http://polyglot.lss.wisc.edu/slavic

Director, Title VI Center for Russia, E. Europe & Central Asia (CREECA)
210 Ingraham Hall, 1550 Observatory Dr.
Madison, WI 53706 USA
(608) 262-3379; Fax (608) 265-3602
http://www.wisc.edu/creeca

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From brifkin at WISC.EDU  Sun Aug 15 04:43:48 2004
From: brifkin at WISC.EDU (Benjamin Rifkin)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 23:43:48 -0500
Subject: Teaching Assistanships, Felowships, etc.
In-Reply-To: <C89A7591-ECD6-11D8-A0D2-00306549D90E@ualberta.ca>
Message-ID: <SAT.14.AUG.2004.234348.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELANGers:

AATSEEL has a committee for language program directors; it is chaired by
Jeff Holdeman of Indiana University (jeffhold at indiana.edu).  The committee
regularly sponsors roundtable discussions of these and other related issues
at the annual AATSEEL Conference.

In addition, the American Association of University Supervisors,
Coordinators and Directors of Foreign Language Programs (AAUSC) maintains a
webpage with useful information on issues of language program direction and
publishes an annual volume as well.  For more information, see
www.aausc.org.

Sincerely,

Ben Rifkin


On 8/12/04 10:13 PM, "Natalia Pylypiuk" <natalia.pylypiuk at UALBERTA.CA>
wrote:

> Dear Colleagues,
>
> I turn to those among you who are course coordinators, especially
> within language programs:
> Would you please let me know, off line,
>
> (1)  who in you department is responsible for assigning
> Teaching Assistantships  and/or Teaching Fellowships to Graduate
> Students -- the Course Coordinator or the department's graduate office?
>   Does anyone else have a voice?
>
> (2) does the coordinator get to see the graduate student's file before
> any decisions are made?
>
> (3) in cases where teachers of course sections are sessional
> instructors (rather than
> graduate students), is there a regular review of their performance by
> the coordinator?
>
> (4) who keeps the files containing undergraduate student evaluations of
>   the teaching performance of Graduate Student Teachers and/or Sessional
> teachers?  Is it the coordinator?  Someone else?
>
> I would be most grateful for your responses.
>
> Best,
>
> Natalia Pylypiuk
> U of Alberta
>
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*************
Benjamin Rifkin
University of Wisconsin-Madison

Professor and Chair, Slavic Dept.
1432 Van Hise, 1220 Linden Dr.
Madison, WI 53706 USA
(608) 262-1623; Fax (608) 265-2814
http://polyglot.lss.wisc.edu/slavic

Director, Title VI Center for Russia, E. Europe & Central Asia (CREECA)
210 Ingraham Hall, 1550 Observatory Dr.
Madison, WI 53706 USA
(608) 262-3379; Fax (608) 265-3602
http://www.wisc.edu/creeca

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From brifkin at WISC.EDU  Sun Aug 15 05:28:01 2004
From: brifkin at WISC.EDU (Benjamin Rifkin)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 00:28:01 -0500
Subject: Call for Papers
Message-ID: <SUN.15.AUG.2004.002801.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

The Journal of the National Council of Less Commonly Taught Languages
(NCOLCTL) is soliciting articles for publication.  As the official journal
of the Council, the journal serves the professional interests of teachers,
researchers, and administrators of less commonly taught languages in all
settings and all levels of instruction.  The Journal is refereed and
published once a year.  Articles dealing with all aspects of less commonly
taught languages are welcome, with preference given to articles dealing with
educational and policy research, classroom innovation, and program
development, sustenance, and advocacy.  While articles focusing on specific
less commonly taught languages are welcome, to be accepted the article must
be framed within the overall context of less commonly taught language
education, thereby insuring that all our readers are benefited, and honoring
the founding principle of the Council, "collective solutions to common
problems."



In preparing the manuscript, please use the latest edition of the
Publication Manual of the American Psychological Association (APA).
Manuscripts should be a maximum of 25 pages (excluding references, charts,
notes, etc.) and preferably submitted electronically via email attachment.
Double-space the manuscript throughout, including notes, references, and
tables, using 12-point font with a 1.5 inch left margin.  The manuscript
should be accompanied by a 150 word (or less) abstract and a cover sheet
containing the manuscript title, name, address, office and home telephone
numbers, fax number, email address, and full names and institutions of each
author.  Because the manuscript will be blind reviewed, identifying
information should be on the title page only, and not appear in the
manuscript.


For snail mail submissions, please use the following address:

NCOLCTL
4231 Humanities Bldg
455 N.Park Street
Madison, WI 53706
Ph: (608) 265 -7903
Fax: (608) 265 -7904

ncolctl at mailplus.wisc.edu
http://www.councilnet.org


*************
Benjamin Rifkin
University of Wisconsin-Madison

Professor and Chair, Slavic Dept.
1432 Van Hise, 1220 Linden Dr.
Madison, WI 53706 USA
(608) 262-1623; Fax (608) 265-2814
http://polyglot.lss.wisc.edu/slavic

Director, Title VI Center for Russia, E. Europe & Central Asia (CREECA)
210 Ingraham Hall, 1550 Observatory Dr.
Madison, WI 53706 USA
(608) 262-3379; Fax (608) 265-3602
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From igor_horvatus at YAHOO.COM  Mon Aug 16 14:41:30 2004
From: igor_horvatus at YAHOO.COM (horvat igor)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:41:30 -0700
Subject: Private accomodation in Zagreb
In-Reply-To: <BD445E91.48CD%brifkin@wisc.edu>
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Hello,

does anyone have a good address for a  short time
rental of a room in Zagreb (private accomodation)?

Thank you in advance for the information,
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From feldstei at INDIANA.EDU  Tue Aug 17 18:47:44 2004
From: feldstei at INDIANA.EDU (Ronald Feldstein)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:47:44 -0400
Subject: Indiana University: Tenure-track position in Polish Literature
 and Language
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Tenure-track position in Polish Literature and Language

The Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures of Indiana University,
Bloomington, wishes to announce a tenure track junior level opening in
Polish language and literature, starting in Fall, 2005.  Primary
specialization should be in Polish literature and language. A secondary
specialization in film or another Slavic literature is desirable.
Requirements:  Ph.D., commitment to research and evidence of having begun a
research program; experience and ability in teaching Polish language and
literature to English-speaking students.  Familiarity with the American
university system and culture is a plus.  Current plans are to interview
candidates at the 2004 AATSEEL conference in Philadelphia, after which a
short list of candidates will be invited to the Bloomington campus for
visits.  Send curriculum vitae and three letters of reference, to:  Search
Committee, Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures, Indiana
University, BH 502, Bloomington, IN 47405-7103.  Applications can also be
submitted electronically, to: iuslavic at indiana.edu, subject line:  Polish
language and literature position.  In order to be considered for the
AATSEEL conference, applications should be received by December 1, 2004,
but applications may be submitted after that date until the position has
been filled.  Indiana University is an Equal Opportunity-Affirmative Action
Employer; Indiana University encourages applications from women and
minorities.

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From mdenner at STETSON.EDU  Tue Aug 17 19:20:59 2004
From: mdenner at STETSON.EDU (Michael Denner)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:20:59 -0400
Subject: Live from Moscow delayed AGAIN!!
Message-ID: <TUE.17.AUG.2004.152059.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Just a heads up to my colleagues in Russian language... 

 

My bookstore called to let me know that they only had a handful of
copies of Live from Moscow and that the rest were on backorder. I called
Kendall-Hunt, and they said they hoped to have copies printed and mailed
out by the end of August... So, for the second time in as many years,
students will start the semester with photocopies and apologies. Very
frustrating.

 

()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()

Dr. Michael A. Denner

Russian Studies Program
Director, Honors Program

Stetson University

Campus Box 8361

DeLand, FL 32724

386.822.7381 (department)

386.822.7265 (direct line)

386.822.7380 (fax)

http://www.stetson.edu/~mdenner

 


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From goscilo+ at PITT.EDU  Tue Aug 17 20:01:09 2004
From: goscilo+ at PITT.EDU (goscilo)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:01:09 -0400
Subject: Live from Moscow delayed AGAIN!!
In-Reply-To: <0FAC95FF9D56EF4A90E0206B7B9FDB4F0285B20A@alpha.stetson.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.17.AUG.2004.160109.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Michael,

We have experienced the same problem: after receiving the bookorder in May
or early June, the publishers didn't bother letting us know that the won't
have the textbook published until the end of August or, more likely, early
in September.  We have switched--for good, if I have anything to do with
it--to GOLOSA.  THAT publisher acted promptly and positively to save a
vital part of our collective anatomy.  Since our enrollment may be up to 60
for the first year, I had no intention of xeroxing thousands of pages.  Why
don't you consider adopting GOLOSA?  A "rush" order from your bookstore
should have impressively quick results, as in our case.

Helena Goscilo
Slavic,  U of Pittsburgh

--On Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:20 -0400 Michael Denner
<mdenner at STETSON.EDU> wrote:r

> Just a heads up to my colleagues in Russian language...
>
>
>
> My bookstore called to let me know that they only had a handful of
> copies of Live from Moscow and that the rest were on backorder. I called
> Kendall-Hunt, and they said they hoped to have copies printed and mailed
> out by the end of August... So, for the second time in as many years,
> students will start the semester with photocopies and apologies. Very
> frustrating.
>
>
>
> ()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()
>
> Dr. Michael A. Denner
>
> Russian Studies Program
> Director, Honors Program
>
> Stetson University
>
> Campus Box 8361
>
> DeLand, FL 32724
>
> 386.822.7381 (department)
>
> 386.822.7265 (direct line)
>
> 386.822.7380 (fax)
>
> http://www.stetson.edu/~mdenner
>
>
>
>
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From flier at FAS.HARVARD.EDU  Tue Aug 17 20:27:56 2004
From: flier at FAS.HARVARD.EDU (Michael S. Flier)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:27:56 -0400
Subject: Harvard University: Slavic Linguistics
Message-ID: <TUE.17.AUG.2004.162756.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Harvard University: Slavic Linguistics


The Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures at Harvard University
seeks to make an appointment at the rank of Assistant or non-tenured
Associate Professor, effective 1 July 2005.  Assistant Professor
appointments are typically five years, with review for promotion to
Associate Professor after four years.  Possible review for promotion to
tenured professorship occurs after seven years in the non-tenured ranks.
We are especially interested in candidates whose expertise in Slavic
linguistics (synchronic, historical, comparative, or philological) extends
to related fields, such as language and culture, linguistics and gender,
language politics, linguistics and poetics, or folklore and mythology.

The teaching load is four courses per year.  The appointed candidate will
be responsible for teaching courses for undergraduate and graduate
students concerned with the structure and history of Russian and
comparative Slavic linguistics. Precise teaching responsibilities will be
tailored to the specialties of the person hired, but they will include
tutorial work as well as a range of courses, from freshman seminars to
broadly oriented courses for undergraduate and graduate students, and
specific topics courses and seminars for graduate students.

Ph.D. (or foreign equivalent) is expected by the time of appointment and
native or near-native Russian and English are required.  Applicants are
requested to send a letter detailing research and teaching interests, a
curriculum vitae, and one short writing sample (25 pages maximum).  Three
confidential letters of recommendation should be sent as well.  All
materials should be mailed by 1 November 2004 to

Prof. Michael S. Flier, Chair
Slavic Linguistics Search Committee
Department of Slavic Languages and Literatures
Harvard University
Barker Center, 12 Quincy Street
Cambridge, MA 02138

Harvard is an AA/EEO employer.  Applications from women and minorities are
strongly encouraged.

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From natalia.pylypiuk at UALBERTA.CA  Tue Aug 17 20:39:17 2004
From: natalia.pylypiuk at UALBERTA.CA (Natalia Pylypiuk)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:39:17 -0600
Subject: CSP: Call for Papers
In-Reply-To: <BD445E91.48CD%brifkin@wisc.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.17.AUG.2004.143917.0600.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

CALL FOR PAPERS
The March-June issue of the Canadian Slavonic Papers will be devoted to 
the 2004 presidential election in Ukraine.  Submissions are invited on 
any and all aspects of this election.  Beyond political science, papers 
from other disciplines are welcome, including history, communications 
studies, international relations, linguistics, social psychology, and 
cultural studies.  Comparative studies paralleling the Ukrainian and 
Russian presidential elections of 2004 are another set of 
possibilities.  The issue aims to be multidisciplinary and 
interdisciplinary.

The normal peer-review process will apply.
Please consult the most recent issue of Canadian Slavonic Papers, 
inside back cover, for guidelines as to style.  Alternately, please 
visit the site of CSP: http://www.ualberta.ca/~csp
Also note that publication requires membership in the Canadian 
Association of Slavists.

Manuscripts, which may be in English or French, should be submitted by 
15 December 2004 to:

Bohdan  Harasymiw, Guest Editor
Canadian Slavonic Papers
Department of Modern Languages and Cultural Studies
  200 Arts Building
University of Alberta
Edmonton, Alberta,  Canada
T6G 2E6

If you plan to participate, please send a message to Bohdan Harasymiw, 
Guest Editor:
Bohdan Harasymiw bharasym at ucalgary.ca

|||||||||||||||||

posted by:
Dr. Natalia Pylypiuk,  U of A
Canadian Association of Slavists
http://www.ualberta.ca/~csp/cas


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Dr. Natalia Pylypiuk, Associate Professor
Modern Languages and Cultural Studies  http://www.mlcs.ca
200 Arts, University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada T6G 2E6
voice mail: (780) 492-3498

Canadian Association of Slavists
http://www.ualberta.ca/~csp/cas

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From laurel622 at YAHOO.COM  Tue Aug 17 21:01:36 2004
From: laurel622 at YAHOO.COM (Laurel Sutherland)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:01:36 -0700
Subject: Live From Moscow
Message-ID: <TUE.17.AUG.2004.140136.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Hello All:

I work with ACTR at the publisher that produces Live From Moscow.  I have recently taken over the management of this account on our end and have been working to remedy these issues.  All current backorders should be going out this week.

While I will not deny that things were late in the past, and apologize for those tremendous inconveniences, please understand that we try and predict the best we can, but sometimes sales are so far beyond what we anticipated, we could not possibly, in our most optimistic minds, have foreseen them nor planned for them.  We ran out of books only at the beginning of this month.  We will have them this week.  While that is still a temporary lapse in inventory and, unacceptable, it is an improvement from last year, and we will continue to improve on that from this point forward.  These books will definitely be in stock and out the door before the end of this month.

I do not know what else to say except to apologize for the inconvenience. You can direct your issues (either from a professor or bookstore manager or both) to me, personally, at lsutherland at kendallhunt.com.

I was, not that long ago, a Russian student myself, so truly, I do understand and am committed to fixing this for good.

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From laurel622 at YAHOO.COM  Tue Aug 17 21:31:01 2004
From: laurel622 at YAHOO.COM (Laurel Sutherland)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:31:01 -0700
Subject: Live from Moscow delayed AGAIN!!
In-Reply-To: <1836776606.1092758469@ehdup-e-30.rmt.net.pitt.edu>
Message-ID: <TUE.17.AUG.2004.143101.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Helena:

I am responding to your post on SEELANGS.  I am both a former Russian student (Syracuse University, Class of '97) and the current editor in charge of managing ACTR titles with Kendall/Hunt Publishing Company.  I understand your frustration, but please understand we had nearly 1000 copies in stock up until the beginning of this month.  If your bookstore had put in the order in May, it would have been filled within 24 hours.  Even if we had been out of stock at that time, it would have been more than enough time to get a reprint completed and out prior to the fall semester.  That does NOT excuse us being out of books-- please don't misunderstand me-- but most bookstores do not place their orders for your books in the spring when you request them, but in July and August.  The books were in stock until the first week of August, when they sold out, and will be back in stock and out the door before the end of August.

Again, I apologize for your difficulties with these books.  I recently took over management of this title and will continue to work to eliminate these issues.

Sincerely,
Laurel Sutherland


goscilo <goscilo+ at PITT.EDU> wrote: Michael,

We have experienced the same problem: after receiving the bookorder in May
or early June, the publishers didn't bother letting us know that the won't
have the textbook published until the end of August or, more likely, early
in September. We have switched--for good, if I have anything to do with
it--to GOLOSA. THAT publisher acted promptly and positively to save a
vital part of our collective anatomy. Since our enrollment may be up to 60
for the first year, I had no intention of xeroxing thousands of pages. Why
don't you consider adopting GOLOSA? A "rush" order from your bookstore
should have impressively quick results, as in our case.

Helena Goscilo
Slavic, U of Pittsburgh

--On Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:20 -0400 Michael Denner
wrote:r

> Just a heads up to my colleagues in Russian language...
>
>
>
> My bookstore called to let me know that they only had a handful of
> copies of Live from Moscow and that the rest were on backorder. I called
> Kendall-Hunt, and they said they hoped to have copies printed and mailed
> out by the end of August... So, for the second time in as many years,
> students will start the semester with photocopies and apologies. Very
> frustrating.
>
>
>
> ()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()
>
> Dr. Michael A. Denner
>
> Russian Studies Program
> Director, Honors Program
>
> Stetson University
>
> Campus Box 8361
>
> DeLand, FL 32724
>
> 386.822.7381 (department)
>
> 386.822.7265 (direct line)
>
> 386.822.7380 (fax)
>
> http://www.stetson.edu/~mdenner
>
>
>
>
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From goscilo+ at PITT.EDU  Tue Aug 17 21:33:22 2004
From: goscilo+ at PITT.EDU (goscilo)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 17:33:22 -0400
Subject: Live From Moscow
In-Reply-To: <20040817210136.37572.qmail@web11807.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.17.AUG.2004.173322.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Laurel,

This is, I'm sure, reassuring news for those whose semester starts in
September, but for those whose academic year begins in late August and who
plan ahead and need to generate syllabi in advance, the news and the books
come too late.  More than once in the past we've had to xerox chunks of the
textbook and the workbook so as not to spend the first week of classes
without materials.  To have the situation repeated YET again = the
proverbial straw and camel's back.  I hope that your presence improves the
situation at K-H for those who have not decided to make a programmatical
switch.  Since greater demand than supply seems to be the crux of the
press's matter, then some Slavists' switch to another text might ease its
problems.  In any event, I hope that for those who stick with LIVE your
efforts will yield results.

Colleagially,
Helena Goscilo

--On Tuesday, 17 August 2004 14:01 -0700 Laurel Sutherland
<laurel622 at YAHOO.COM> wrote:r

> Hello All:
>
> I work with ACTR at the publisher that produces Live From Moscow.  I have
> recently taken over the management of this account on our end and have
> been working to remedy these issues.  All current backorders should be
> going out this week.
>
> While I will not deny that things were late in the past, and apologize
> for those tremendous inconveniences, please understand that we try and
> predict the best we can, but sometimes sales are so far beyond what we
> anticipated, we could not possibly, in our most optimistic minds, have
> foreseen them nor planned for them.  We ran out of books only at the
> beginning of this month.  We will have them this week.  While that is
> still a temporary lapse in inventory and, unacceptable, it is an
> improvement from last year, and we will continue to improve on that from
> this point forward.  These books will definitely be in stock and out the
> door before the end of this month.
>
> I do not know what else to say except to apologize for the inconvenience.
> You can direct your issues (either from a professor or bookstore manager
> or both) to me, personally, at lsutherland at kendallhunt.com.
>
> I was, not that long ago, a Russian student myself, so truly, I do
> understand and am committed to fixing this for good.
>
> Laurel Sutherland
>
>
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From goscilo+ at PITT.EDU  Tue Aug 17 21:43:22 2004
From: goscilo+ at PITT.EDU (goscilo)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 17:43:22 -0400
Subject: Live from Moscow delayed AGAIN!!
In-Reply-To: <20040817213101.39676.qmail@web11802.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <TUE.17.AUG.2004.174322.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Laurel,

Our messages crossed.

> I am responding to your post on SEELANGS.  I am both a former Russian
> student (Syracuse University, Class of '97) and the current editor in
> charge of managing ACTR titles with Kendall/Hunt Publishing Company.  I
> understand your frustration, but please understand we had nearly 1000
> copies in stock up until the beginning of this month.  If your bookstore
> had put in the order in May, it would have been filled within 24 hours.
> Even if we had been out of stock at that time, it would have been more
> than enough time to get a reprint completed and out prior to the fall
> semester.
I'll check with the bookstore regarding the exact date that the order was
sent.
This year's situation is not the first time that we've had to scramble so
as to cope with KH's
not having sufficient copies.  Since the text seems to be so successful,
doesn't it make sense
for it to produce a great number of copies?

 That does NOT excuse us being out of books-- please don't
> misunderstand me-- but most bookstores do not place their orders for your
> books in the spring when you request them, but in July and August.  The
> books were in stock until the first week of August, when they sold out,
> and will be back in stock and out the door before the end of August.
If our bookstore has been responsible for the situation, you can be sure
that I'll go online
with a public apology.

> Again, I apologize for your difficulties with these books.  I recently
> took over management of this title and will continue to work to eliminate
> these issues.
I really hope you do.  Several colleagues with whom I spoke prefer LIVE to
GOLOSA.
Let me be frank: having perused GOLOSA, I do not.  The video for LIVE is
antiquated,
and its first pages provide misinformation (in the interests of
simplification) about Russian
phonetics.  Though I was irritated at having to flounder and seek a
different text so close
to the beginning of our semester, I now am grateful to have found GOLOSA.
I may change my
mind by the end of the semester, but right now, I am with GOLOSA.  That
doesn't mean, of course,
that I'm not pleased for those colleagues whose semester begins in
September who'll be able
to get LIVE.

And, I really appreciate your having responded to Michael's message and
mine on the list and to
me individually.  It seems that your presence at KH is likely to make a
positive difference.

With zest,
Helena
>
> goscilo <goscilo+ at PITT.EDU> wrote: Michael,
>
> We have experienced the same problem: after receiving the bookorder in May
> or early June, the publishers didn't bother letting us know that the won't
> have the textbook published until the end of August or, more likely, early
> in September. We have switched--for good, if I have anything to do with
> it--to GOLOSA. THAT publisher acted promptly and positively to save a
> vital part of our collective anatomy. Since our enrollment may be up to 60
> for the first year, I had no intention of xeroxing thousands of pages. Why
> don't you consider adopting GOLOSA? A "rush" order from your bookstore
> should have impressively quick results, as in our case.
>
> Helena Goscilo
> Slavic, U of Pittsburgh
>
> --On Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:20 -0400 Michael Denner
> wrote:r
>
>> Just a heads up to my colleagues in Russian language...
>>
>>
>>
>> My bookstore called to let me know that they only had a handful of
>> copies of Live from Moscow and that the rest were on backorder. I called
>> Kendall-Hunt, and they said they hoped to have copies printed and mailed
>> out by the end of August... So, for the second time in as many years,
>> students will start the semester with photocopies and apologies. Very
>> frustrating.
>>
>>
>>
>> ()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()()
>>
>> Dr. Michael A. Denner
>>
>> Russian Studies Program
>> Director, Honors Program
>>
>> Stetson University
>>
>> Campus Box 8361
>>
>> DeLand, FL 32724
>>
>> 386.822.7381 (department)
>>
>> 386.822.7265 (direct line)
>>
>> 386.822.7380 (fax)
>>
>> http://www.stetson.edu/~mdenner
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From adk59 at HOTMAIL.COM  Wed Aug 18 01:10:23 2004
From: adk59 at HOTMAIL.COM (Andy Kaufman)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:10:23 -0400
Subject: Submissions to my website?
Message-ID: <TUE.17.AUG.2004.211023.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Hi all!

Would anybody be interested in submitting articles to my website
www.professorandy.com. It's an educational website devoted to Russian
literature. It is aimed at a general audience and it emphasizes the
everyday lessons and inspiration that can be gained from the Russian
classics.

Because of my work for Oprah's Book Club, I have been fortunate to attract
a very large audience of visitors.

I need some more good materials right now, and if use your piece I'll be
happy to mention your website or anything else you want to promote on
mine. You WILL have an audience!

Pls. respond offline, to adk59 at hotmail.com.

thanks

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From brifkin at WISC.EDU  Wed Aug 18 21:18:59 2004
From: brifkin at WISC.EDU (Benjamin Rifkin)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:18:59 -0500
Subject: Enrollments query
Message-ID: <WED.18.AUG.2004.161859.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELANGers:

I am preparing a report for my dean about our Russian major here at Madison,
where we have between 50 and 60 majors. Does anyone know of a program with
more majors than that?  I suspect we are one of the biggest programs in the
country, but I¹d like to hear from the list if there are other programs out
there with more majors.

Thank you.

Sincerely,

Ben Rifkin
 
*************
Benjamin Rifkin
University of Wisconsin-Madison

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Madison, WI 53706 USA
(608) 262-1623; Fax (608) 265-2814
http://polyglot.lss.wisc.edu/slavic

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From: KrunkaityteE at WWIC.SI.EDU (Edita Krunkaityte)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:19:42 -0400
Subject: Enrollments query
Message-ID: <WED.18.AUG.2004.171942.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I will be away from the office August 19-September 6. If you need immediate or urgent assistance, please contact Atiq Sarwari at sarwaria at wwic.si.edu. Otherwise, I will get back to you upon my return.
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From ajw3 at PSU.EDU  Thu Aug 19 01:59:37 2004
From: ajw3 at PSU.EDU (Adrian Wanner)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:59:37 -0500
Subject: Vertinskii in English?
Message-ID: <WED.18.AUG.2004.205937.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

A friend of mine would like to perform Alexander Vertinskii's songs
"Tango Magnolia" and "Popugai Flaubert" in English.  Does anybody
know of a serviceable translation?
Thanks,
Adrian Wanner
--
*********************************************************
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Professor of Russian and Comparative Literature
Head, Department of Germanic and Slavic Languages and Literatures
The Pennsylvania State University
313 Burrowes Building
University Park, PA 16802

Tel. (814) 865-5481 (o),  (814) 234-1289 (h)
Fax  (814) 863-8882
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From adrozd at BAMA.UA.EDU  Thu Aug 19 15:34:25 2004
From: adrozd at BAMA.UA.EDU (Andrew M. Drozd)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:34:25 -0500
Subject: web exercises for Golosa
Message-ID: <THU.19.AUG.2004.103425.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELangers:
    For those of you who use the textbook /Golosa/, I have begun the
process of updating my web exercises for the 3rd edition. As of now, I
have chapters 1-3 covered for both books 1 and 2. I should finish the
remaining chapters as the fall semester progresses. The URL is:

http://bama.ua.edu/~adrozd/russian/index.htm

    One technical note: although the code page is written into each
page, some browsers are not loading it properly. If this is the case, go
to the "View" menu and change the "Encoding" or "Character Set" to
Windows Cyrillic (a.k.a. codepage 1251 or Windows 1251, etc.).
    If anyone wants the exercises for the 2nd edition, they are still
available. A link is provided on the main page.
    Finally, after hours of looking at HTML code, things sometimes get a
bit fuzzy. If you discover an error, please let me know.

Sincerely,

--
Andrew M. Drozd
Associate Professor of Russian
adrozd at bama.ua.edu

Department of Modern Languages and Classics
Box 870246
University of Alabama
Tuscaloosa, AL 35487-0246

tel. (205) 348-5720
fax. (205) 348-2042

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From sara_dickinson at VIRGILIO.IT  Thu Aug 19 16:46:44 2004
From: sara_dickinson at VIRGILIO.IT (Sara Dickinson)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:46:44 +0200
Subject: sites in 1795 Kiev
Message-ID: <THU.19.AUG.2004.184644.0200.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Colleagues,

I am translating a Russian text from 1795 that refers vaguely to few 
sites in Kiev that are unfamiliar to me and wondered if any of you could 
help.

(1) Mention is made of the site on a steep hill where St. Andrei erected 
his cross. Presumably this is at or near St. Andrei's Church, although 
no mention of the church is made. Was there a competing site in 1795?

(2) From that spot, the eyes "wander down and look  at the golden Angel 
pouring water from a silver vessel." What are they looking at? Does this 
perhaps refer to a sculpture or a painting?

(3) And what about nuns? Was there a convent in Kiev that was 
particularly well known? Perhaps in that area of town and decorated with 
a golden Angel?

Thank you kindly for any leads.

Best,
Sara


Prof. Sara Dickinson
Sezione di Slavistica
Dipartimento di Scienze della Comunicazione Linguistica e Culturale
Facoltà di Lingue e Letterature Straniere
Università degli Studi di Genova

corso Firenze 32/11
16136 Genoa, Italy
39-010-213210
sara_dickinson at mac.com
sara_dickinson at virgilio.it

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From Vladimir.Benko at FEDU.UNIBA.SK  Fri Aug 20 09:15:15 2004
From: Vladimir.Benko at FEDU.UNIBA.SK (Vladimir Benko)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:15:15 +0200
Subject: Pryuvet
In-Reply-To: <4124C881.1050806@bama.ua.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.20.AUG.2004.111515.0200.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELangers:

This is a question from my friend:  In one of the "Nu pogodi" series,
the rabbit has changed the text on a "Privet volku" banner to
"Pryuvet volku".  Can you please explain what is the essence of this
apparent joke?  None of the dictionaries has helped us here :-(

Best regards,

Vlado B, 11:15 Danubian Time


-----------------------------------------
Vladimir Benko      <Benko at fedu.uniba.sk>

Comenius University, Faculty of Education
Moskovska 3, SK-81334 Bratislava
Tel +421-2-55576744         Fax -55572244

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From annaplis at MAIL.RU  Fri Aug 20 10:24:25 2004
From: annaplis at MAIL.RU (Anna Plisetskaya)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:24:25 +0400
Subject: Pryuvet
Message-ID: <FRI.20.AUG.2004.142425.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Vlado,

Are you sure the word was changed just this way? I don't remember this
episode but if the word is correct I guess it means nothing - no pun, just
funny sounding. :-)

Best regards,

Anna Plisetskaya,
Moscow, Russia

Subject: [SEELANGS] Pryuvet


> Dear SEELangers:
>
> This is a question from my friend:  In one of the "Nu pogodi" series,
> the rabbit has changed the text on a "Privet volku" banner to
> "Pryuvet volku".  Can you please explain what is the essence of this
> apparent joke?  None of the dictionaries has helped us here :-(
>
> Best regards,
>
> Vlado B, 11:15 Danubian Time
>
>
> -----------------------------------------
> Vladimir Benko      <Benko at fedu.uniba.sk>
>
> Comenius University, Faculty of Education
> Moskovska 3, SK-81334 Bratislava
> Tel +421-2-55576744         Fax -55572244
>
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From Vladimir.Benko at FEDU.UNIBA.SK  Fri Aug 20 13:10:28 2004
From: Vladimir.Benko at FEDU.UNIBA.SK (Vladimir Benko)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:10:28 +0200
Subject: Pryuvet
In-Reply-To: <000801c4869f$e0152260$ce06c851@anna>
Message-ID: <FRI.20.AUG.2004.151028.0200.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Anna,

> Are you sure the word was changed just this way? I don't remember this
> episode but if the word is correct I guess it means nothing - no pun,
> just funny sounding. :-)

According to my friend, this should have happened in the 5th series.

I have tried to find the explanation on the internet: the expression
"pryuvet" does exist (800+ hits by Google, 17,000+ by Yandex), but
the context seems to be about the same as for plain "privet".  I have
also found "pryvet" 2,000+ Google, 60,000+ Yandex)...

Regards,

Vlado B, 15:10


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Vladimir Benko      <Benko at fedu.uniba.sk>

Comenius University, Faculty of Education
Moskovska 3, SK-81334 Bratislava
Tel +421-2-55576744         Fax -55572244

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From peitlovakatarina at TISCALI.IT  Fri Aug 20 14:40:44 2004
From: peitlovakatarina at TISCALI.IT (KatarinaPeitlova)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:40:44 +0200
Subject: sites in 1795 Kiev
Message-ID: <FRI.20.AUG.2004.164044.0200.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sara Dickinson" <sara_dickinson at VIRGILIO.IT>
To: <SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 6:46 PM
Subject: [SEELANGS] sites in 1795 Kiev


Dear Colleagues,

I am translating a Russian text from 1795 that refers vaguely to few
sites in Kiev that are unfamiliar to me and wondered if any of you could
help.

(1) Mention is made of the site on a steep hill where St. Andrei erected
his cross. Presumably this is at or near St. Andrei's Church, although
no mention of the church is made. Was there a competing site in 1795?
Andrejevska cerkov  byla postroena na Andrejevskoj gore na ruinax prezhnej.
K 1753 godu  cerkov' Andreja Pervozvannogo byla gotova,zhdali priezda
Elizavety. Ee vizit byl otlozhen,a pozzhe tak i ne sostojalsja.
Novopostrojennyj xram stojal neosvjaschennyj ,bez riznicy,bez kolokolov,za
chto v gorode cerkov' poluchila  prozvanie  "bezzvonnaja". V avguste 1767ee
osvjatil  kievskij mitropolit  Arsenij Mogiljanskij.
(2) From that spot, the eyes "wander down and look  at the golden Angel
pouring water from a silver vessel." What are they looking at? Does this
perhaps refer to a sculpture or a painting?
- to sculpture -
Ikonostas - velichestvennyj,trexjarusnyj,v centre kotorogo,nad karnizom
vtorogo jarusa pomescheno simvolicheskoe "vsevidjascheje oko" v vide
kartusha,treugol'nika i korony.Sprava i sleva ot nego - dva gracioznych
angela,slovno parjaschije v vozduxe.Esche dva,podobnyje im,-chut' nizhe ,na
frontone pervogo jarusa,kazhetsja ,gotovy sijusekundno  vzletet' v
nebesa.Trudno poverit',chto figuryvyrezany iz dereva. Obilije derevjannoj
skul'ptury - odno iz otlichij xudozhestvennogo  oformlenija inter'era
Andreevskoj cerkvi.
(3) And what about nuns? Was there a convent in Kiev that was
particularly well known? Perhaps in that area of town and decorated with
a golden Angel?
Byl Janchin Monastyr'
V Drevnej Rusi pervyj xram v chest' Andreja Pervozvannogo byl postroen v
Kieve synom Jaroslava Mudrogo velikim kn'azem Vsevolodom  Jaroslavichem -
dlja docheri knjaz'a Anny (Janki),kotoraja sobiralas' v moshestvo,otkuda
poshlo nazvanie obiteli - Andreevskij Janchin monastyr'. - na Andreevskoj
gorke

 Best wishes,

Katarina Peitlova,PhDr.
Italy
Thank you kindly for any leads.

Best,
Sara


Prof. Sara Dickinson
Sezione di Slavistica
Dipartimento di Scienze della Comunicazione Linguistica e Culturale
Facoltà di Lingue e Letterature Straniere
Università degli Studi di Genova

corso Firenze 32/11
16136 Genoa, Italy
39-010-213210
sara_dickinson at mac.com
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From itigount at CHASS.UTORONTO.CA  Fri Aug 20 18:02:16 2004
From: itigount at CHASS.UTORONTO.CA (Inna Tigountsova)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:02:16 -0400
Subject: Pryuvet
In-Reply-To: <4125DD44.22563.1446E6DA@m3.fedu.uniba.sk>
Message-ID: <FRI.20.AUG.2004.140216.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Vlado,

It is the Volk who changes the spelling to "Priuvet volku," and
I always though that the joke was in the fact that Volk can't spell but
attempts to correct what's written correctly. "IU" is also a letter that
one
normally would not write in a word when in doubt, it would more likely be
"o"-"a", "i" -"E" that would make one (a schoolchild in particular, and
that's a probable audience) think about choosing the correct letter.
"Privet" might look like a word with the prefix "pri-" to Volk, and the
audience half expects the Volk to write a "e" in stead of the "i", but he
doesn't. Volk's mistake just does not make any sense, it's an abstract
mistake that does not seem to have any logic behind it. Volk choses the
most unlikely letter for his "correction", and that's what funny about it.

"Iu" is also a letter with a literary history, i.e. the famous child who
knows letter "iu" in "Moscow-Petushki," "Iu-z" Aleshkovksii, etc. I think
it may be appealing because it is rarely used in the language, but it is a
part of the name for the OCS letter "ius malyi" and "ius bol'shoi", so one
could feel that "iu" is not only rare, unusual, but also "more archaic"
than other letters.

Yours,

Inna Tigountsova
PhD candidate
Dept. of Slavic Languages and
Literatures
University of Toronto

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004, Vladimir Benko wrote:

> Dear SEELangers:
>
> This is a question from my friend:  In one of the "Nu pogodi" series,
> the rabbit has changed the text on a "Privet volku" banner to
> "Pryuvet volku".  Can you please explain what is the essence of this
> apparent joke?  None of the dictionaries has helped us here :-(
>
> Best regards,
>
> Vlado B, 11:15 Danubian Time
>
>
> -----------------------------------------
> Vladimir Benko      <Benko at fedu.uniba.sk>
>
> Comenius University, Faculty of Education
> Moskovska 3, SK-81334 Bratislava
> Tel +421-2-55576744         Fax -55572244
>
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From frosset at WHEATONMA.EDU  Sat Aug 21 17:14:37 2004
From: frosset at WHEATONMA.EDU (Francoise Rosset)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 13:14:37 -0400
Subject: Aivazovskii's "Safo"
In-Reply-To: <5AA00CD4-F1FF-11D8-80CB-00039358C9F2@virgilio.it>
Message-ID: <SAT.21.AUG.2004.131437.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Seelangers:

Can anyone help me speed up my search for a look at Aivazovskii's "Safo na
Levkadskoi skale"?

I've tried the net. Google and Yandex got me to the paintings by Guerin and
David and Vrubel, but nothing by Aivazovskii (there is a good site with a
number of pictures, but not this).

So, I'm asking for a recommendation by someone who either is more nimble than I
am on the web, or knows a specific book where I might find this painting.

Thank you all,
-FR



Francoise Rosset
Russian and Russian Studies
Wheaton College
Norton, MA 02766
Office: (508) 286-3696
FAX:    (508) 286-3640

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From zielinski at GMX.CH  Sun Aug 22 07:45:17 2004
From: zielinski at GMX.CH (Zielinski)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 09:45:17 +0200
Subject: Aivazovskii's "Safo"
Message-ID: <SUN.22.AUG.2004.094517.0200.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

> Can anyone help me speed up my search for a look at Aivazovskii's "Safo na
> Levkadskoi skale"?

Have a look here:

http://magazines.russ.ru/nlo/2003/64/nov34.html

The picture is mentioned in the review. You will find, I presume, more in
the book, probably also an illustration.

Best,
Jan Zielinski

??????? ?.?. ???? ? ??????? ???????? ?????? XVIII - ?????? XX ?????. - ???.:
??????? ???????, 2003. - 400 ?. - 700 ???.



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?????? ??????????? ???? ?? ???????? ???? ????? ??????, ??? ?? ????????
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????? ? ????? ???????????. ? XVIII ?. ??? ???????? ?????????? ????????? ?
??????, ?????????? ?????????? ? ?? ???????????. ??? ????, ? ??????? ??
??????, ???????????? ???? ? ????? ?????? ????????? ????????? ?????: ??
?????? ?????????? ???????????? ?????? ??????? ??????. ????? ???????? ?
???????? «???? ? ??????», ??????? ??? ???? ?? ?????? ???????? ?? ??, ???????
????? ?????????? ? ??????????? ????? ?????????? ??????, ?????????? ?
???????????? ????????????, ??????????? ???? ??? ?????????? ?? ?????? ??????,
????????? ? ?? ?????????, ?? ? ????????????? ?? ????? ? ????????
???????????? ???????????? ?????????? ???????, ????????? ? ??????? ??????
???????????? ???????, ? ????? ?????? ??????? ? ???????? ? ???????? ?
?????????? ????, ??????????? ? ??????? ????????.

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????????? ???????? "???? ? ??????", ??????????? ??? ???????? ?
??????????????» (?. 15). ?? ??? ?????? ?????????? ????????? ? ?????? ???? ?
?????? ??????? ? ???, ??? ?? ?????? ?????? ?????????????? ??? ??????? ? ????
???????????: ?????????? ???? ?? ?????? ???????????? ?? ???????????,
???????-???????? ?????????, ? ??????? ??????????, ?????????? ??? ????????
?????????????????? ???????????? ???????, ??? ?? ????? ??????? ??
???????????? ?? ???????????? ???????? ?????????-????????????? ????????, ??
?????????, ?????? ? ??? ??????????? ? ???? ??? ??????????, ??? ???????,
??????????? ????????????. ????? ????, ?? ?????? ?????????????, ??????? «????
? ??????» ?? ?????? ???????????? ?????????? ?????????? ?????????? 2-? ???
(«???? ?????? ??? ??????? ?? ???????...»), ??????? ??????? ? XVIII ?.
???????????? ?? ??????? ???? ????? 50 ???, ?? ???? ??????, ??? ????? ??????
???????? ??? ?????????????????? ???????????? ????????????. ??? ?????????????
??????? ??????? «???? ?? ?? ????? ?????????????? ????????????? ?????
??????????? ????» (?. 24-25), ?????? ????? ??????????? ??????????????
????????? ???????????, ?, ?? ??? ??????, ?????? ??????? ???????? ? ?????
????????? ??????????? ????????? ????????? ???????. ?? ???????? ?????
?????????? ???????? ???? ? ??????? ??????, ????? ??????? 2-? ??? ??????
????? ??????????????? ?????????? ? ??????????? ?????: ????????? ? ??????????
??????????????? ???????? ? ???????? ????? ????????????? ???????????? ?
?????? ????????????? ??????, ? ??? ????? ? ??????, ?????????, ???????,
??????? ? ??????.

? ????? ?.?. ???????? ?????????? ????? ???????? ???????? «???? ? ??????»,
???????? ???????????, ??????? ?? ???????????. ???, ??????????, ? ????????
XVIII ?., ????? ?????????? ?????? ???????? ????????????? ???? (???????
????????, ??? ??????, ??????? ?????????? ?????? ?????? ???? ???????????
????????, ??? ?????????), ? ??????? ???????? ??????????? ??????????? ???????
? ???????? ??????????????? ????????. ? ????? ???????? ???????? ?????? ?
??????? ?????????? ?????????? ??????? ? ????????????? ????? ???? ? ????? ?
?? ????????????, ??????? ???????? ? ?????? ???????? XIX ?. ????? ??????
???????? ? ?????????? ??????? ??????, ??? ??? ? ???????? ???? ???????????? ?
???????????? ?????. ?????????? ? ????????????? ??? ???????????? ????????
???????? ? ???????? ??????? ? ???????? ? ?????????? ????????: ?????? ?
??????, ? ?????? ? ???????? XIX ????????. ??? ???, ??????????,
????????????????? ???????? ???? ???? ?? ?????? ? ??????? ??????????, ?? ? ?
????????? ?????? (? 1820-? ??. ?????????? ????? «????»; ?????? ???????
??????????? ????? ??????? «???? ? ?????????? ?????»). ????? ????, ???????
?????????, ??? ?? ????? ??????? ???????? ???????? ? ?????????? «???????
???????? <...> ?? ?????? ?????????????? ?????????????? ??? ??? ????
???????????? ??????; ??? ??????????? ?????? ????????????? ????????» (?.
159). ? ???????? ?? XIX ?. «?????????? ????????? ??????? ???????? ????????
???????, ??????????, ?????????, ?????????» (?. 262), ???, ???? ?????
??????????, ?????? ? ?? ?????????? «???? ? ??????». ???????, ?????????
?????? ????? ???????? ???????????? ??? ??????????, ??????? ????????? ? ????
???????????-?????????? ???????? ? ?????? «??????????? ????» ??????? ??????.

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???????????? ?????????? ???????. ??? ????????, ??? ?????????? ???????,
??????? ?? ??????. ?????????? ???????? «??????? ????» ????????????
???????????????, ? ????? ???????? ??????????? ?? ????????? ? ?????????????
????????? ? ?????????????????? ???????????????? ?????? ?? ??????????. ??????
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???????? XIX ?. ????????? ??????????-??????????? ????????? ? «??????? ????».
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?????? ????????????? ? ?????????» (?. 277).

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????????? - ???? ??? ????, ????? ??????? ????????? ? ???? ????????????,
?????? ?????????? ???? ???????????? ? ??????????? ????????? ????? ??????. ?
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???????????, ?? ?????????? ??????? ?? ???????????? (?????????? ??????????
?????? ????????? ?????? ?????? ????????).

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????????? ? ???????? ??????????? ?????????-????????????? ???????, ??????
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From jfi1 at COLUMBIA.EDU  Sun Aug 22 15:10:08 2004
From: jfi1 at COLUMBIA.EDU (John Isham)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 11:10:08 -0400
Subject: Aivazovskii's "Safo"
In-Reply-To: <1093108477.412782fd1d4d2@webmail.wheatoncollege.edu>
Message-ID: <SUN.22.AUG.2004.111008.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Here's the painting (titled merely "Sapho" on this page, but I think
it must be the one):

http://art.qwe.as/pictures/viewer$130

And see this page for info on a book where the painting can be found
(*Seas, Cities And Dreams* by Gianni Caffiero and Ivan Samarine,
Alexandria Press, London, 2001):

http://art.qwe.as/pictures/Catalogues

You can find its Amazon purchasing details here:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1856692329/qid=1093187246/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-3005021-8513722?v=glance&s=books

Hope this helps,
John Isham


Цитирую Francoise Rosset <frosset at WHEATONMA.EDU>:

> Dear Seelangers:
>
> Can anyone help me speed up my search for a look at Aivazovskii's
> "Safo na
> Levkadskoi skale"?
>
> I've tried the net. Google and Yandex got me to the paintings by
> Guerin and
> David and Vrubel, but nothing by Aivazovskii (there is a good
> site with a
> number of pictures, but not this).
>
> So, I'm asking for a recommendation by someone who either is more
> nimble than I
> am on the web, or knows a specific book where I might find this
> painting.
>
> Thank you all,
> -FR
>
>
>
> Francoise Rosset
> Russian and Russian Studies
> Wheaton College
> Norton, MA 02766
> Office: (508) 286-3696
> FAX:    (508) 286-3640
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From frosset at WHEATONMA.EDU  Sun Aug 22 19:27:36 2004
From: frosset at WHEATONMA.EDU (Francoise Rosset)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 15:27:36 -0400
Subject: Aivazovskii's "Safo" -- THANK YOU
In-Reply-To: <003701c4881b$f888dcb0$ac06a2d9@JANEK>
Message-ID: <SUN.22.AUG.2004.152736.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Many thanks to Jan Zielinski, Yuri Lotoshko and John Isham for their immediate
responses to my request.
Proof again that we Slavists never rest!
-FR

Francoise Rosset
Russian and Russian Studies
Wheaton College
Norton, MA 02766
Office: (508) 286-3696
FAX:    (508) 286-3640

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From jan.fellerer at WOLFSON.OXFORD.AC.UK  Mon Aug 23 22:38:33 2004
From: jan.fellerer at WOLFSON.OXFORD.AC.UK (Jan Fellerer)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 23:38:33 +0100
Subject: BASEES Conference 2005 - 2nd Call for Papers in Language and
 Linguistics
In-Reply-To: <20040614153826.7C61E2268B@webmail218.herald.ox.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <MON.23.AUG.2004.233833.0100.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

ANNUAL CONFERENCE OF THE BRITISH ASSOCIATION FOR SLAVONIC AND EAST EUROPEAN STUDIES 2005

SECOND CALL FOR PAPERS IN LANGUAGE AND LINGUISTICS

The annual conference of the British Association of Slavonic and East European Studies (BASEES) will take place at Fitzwilliam College, Cambridge University (UK), between 2-4 April 2005. Abstracts are invited for individual 20-minute papers or for entire panels (2�3 papers) in any area of Slavonic philology, linguistics, language teaching, and translation studies. The working languages of the conference are English and Russian.

At this year�s conference we had approximately twenty papers in formal linguistics, historical linguistics, applied linguistics, language teaching, and translation studies presented by academics and graduate students from institutions in the UK and abroad.
The annual convention as a whole brings together scholars from a wide range of disciplines including literary studies, linguistics, cultural studies, history, economics, politics, sociology, film and media studies as they pertain to Central and Eastern Europe and to the former Soviet Union.

Abstracts for language and linguistics papers or panels should be sent, with full contact details, by 1 October 2004 to Jan Fellerer at

jan.fellerer at wolfson.ox.ac.uk,

or at the following address:

Wolfson College
GB-Oxford OX2 6UD
United Kingdom.

Further details are available on the website at www.basees.org.uk.

Apologies for cross-posting of this notice.


***********************************************************************

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From alif at STANFORD.EDU  Tue Aug 24 02:19:45 2004
From: alif at STANFORD.EDU (Elif Batuman)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:19:45 -0700
Subject: Svetlana Khorkina
In-Reply-To: <003701c4881b$f888dcb0$ac06a2d9@JANEK>
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Dear Seelangers,

I was wondering whether any of you watched the NBC coverage of the women's
all-round gymnastics in the Olympics?  There was an interview with
Svetlana Khorkina, in which she is quoted as saying: "I want to win a gold
medal as much as I want to mother my own child."  I was wondering - did
anyone catch this phrase in Russian?  I looked online but could only find
references to the English translation (I guess, since the interview was
only aired by NBC).  I was actually wondering whether it might be a
mistranslation(?).

Thanks in advance,
Elif Batuman

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From sscotto at MTHOLYOKE.EDU  Tue Aug 24 02:40:00 2004
From: sscotto at MTHOLYOKE.EDU (Susan Scotto)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 22:40:00 -0400
Subject: Svetlana Khorkina
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0408231914340.17740-100000@elaine13.Stanford.EDU>
Message-ID: <MON.23.AUG.2004.224000.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Elif,

I saw that interview and noticed several mistranslations.  I don't remember
the phrase you mention, but there were several cases where the subtitles were
slightly off or were not in any way related to what Khorkina said.  I'm
wondering whether she said some things during the full interview which were
cut in the final edit, but for which the subtitles remained.

Susan Scotto

Quoting Elif Batuman <alif at STANFORD.EDU>:

> Dear Seelangers,
>
> I was wondering whether any of you watched the NBC coverage of the women's
> all-round gymnastics in the Olympics?  There was an interview with
> Svetlana Khorkina, in which she is quoted as saying: "I want to win a gold
> medal as much as I want to mother my own child."  I was wondering - did
> anyone catch this phrase in Russian?  I looked online but could only find
> references to the English translation (I guess, since the interview was
> only aired by NBC).  I was actually wondering whether it might be a
> mistranslation(?).
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Elif Batuman
>
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From jfi1 at COLUMBIA.EDU  Tue Aug 24 03:04:54 2004
From: jfi1 at COLUMBIA.EDU (John Isham)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 23:04:54 -0400
Subject: Svetlana Khorkina
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0408231914340.17740-100000@elaine13.Stanford.EDU>
Message-ID: <MON.23.AUG.2004.230454.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I haven't been able to track the original words.  But this seems to
be a somewhat common motif in Khorkina's interviews.  Consider for
example this interview of hers with Elena Burtseva of "Argumenty i
fakty":

http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:lRAQIPkP55kJ:www.aif.ru/online/superstar/35/14_01+%D1%85%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0+%22%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B0%22&hl=en

where Khorkina says "Ia stala zamechat', chto ochen' khochu svoego
rebenka."  (Look for the highlighted word "rebenka" on the page
I've cited),

and these more recent comments:

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:GWUjHp8slxMJ:www.rambler.ru/db/news/msg.html%3Fmid%3D4933959+%D1%85%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0+%22%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%B9%22&hl=en

where she says "Ia khochu, kak liubaia zhenshchina, imet' sem'iu,
liubov' i detei."

John Isham





Цитирую Elif Batuman <alif at STANFORD.EDU>:

> Dear Seelangers,
>
> I was wondering whether any of you watched the NBC coverage of
> the women's
> all-round gymnastics in the Olympics?  There was an interview
> with
> Svetlana Khorkina, in which she is quoted as saying: "I want to
> win a gold
> medal as much as I want to mother my own child."  I was wondering
> - did
> anyone catch this phrase in Russian?  I looked online but could
> only find
> references to the English translation (I guess, since the
> interview was
> only aired by NBC).  I was actually wondering whether it might be
> a
> mistranslation(?).
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Elif Batuman
>
>
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From rkreuzer at STLAWU.EDU  Tue Aug 24 05:02:17 2004
From: rkreuzer at STLAWU.EDU (Ruth Kreuzer)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 01:02:17 -0400
Subject: Svetlana Khorkina
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0408231914340.17740-100000@elaine13.Stanford.EDU>
Message-ID: <TUE.24.AUG.2004.010217.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I wasn't paying too much attention when that interview was taking place,
but I thought she said "I want to win a gold medal as much as a mother
would want to bear her own child."
       Ruth Kreuzer

Elif Batuman wrote:

>Dear Seelangers,
>
>I was wondering whether any of you watched the NBC coverage of the women's
>all-round gymnastics in the Olympics?  There was an interview with
>Svetlana Khorkina, in which she is quoted as saying: "I want to win a gold
>medal as much as I want to mother my own child."  I was wondering - did
>anyone catch this phrase in Russian?  I looked online but could only find
>references to the English translation (I guess, since the interview was
>only aired by NBC).  I was actually wondering whether it might be a
>mistranslation(?).
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Elif Batuman
>
>
>
>

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From peitlovakatarina at TISCALI.IT  Tue Aug 24 08:42:48 2004
From: peitlovakatarina at TISCALI.IT (KatarinaPeitlova)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:42:48 +0200
Subject: Svetlana Khorkina
Message-ID: <TUE.24.AUG.2004.104248.0200.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

> Svetlana Khorkina, in which she is quoted as saying: "I want to win a gold
> medal as much as I want to mother my own child."


-----"Konechno,mne zhal' rasstavat'sja s gimnastikoj. No kak kazhdaja
zhenschina ja xochu chtoby u menja byla ljubov',sem'ja,deti...."


Katarina Peitlova,PhDr

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From a_strat at KHARKOV.COM  Wed Aug 25 05:03:51 2004
From: a_strat at KHARKOV.COM (Alex)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:03:51 +0300
Subject: Pryuvet
Message-ID: <WED.25.AUG.2004.080351.0300.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Диа Инна!

Ю а эбсолютли райт.
Ай тинк ин ды сэйм вэй. Ай джаст вонт то эд самтин
нот вери импортент. Доуз ваулз вид э даутфул саунд
 а южуалли коллд "bezudarnyje glasnyje".

(О, господи! Как я сочувствую тем, кто в своей работе
не может использовать кириллицу. Я попытался представить
себе, во что превратилась бы моя жизнь, если бы на моей
клавиатуре не было латиницы - ужас!)

Серия, в которой Волк исправляет правильную гласную
"И" на неправильную, но странную гласную "Ю", не пятая,
а четвертая (спортивная, но не олимпийская).
Мультфильмы "Ну, погоди" предназначались в основном
для детской аудитории. И, возможно, если бы Волк изменил
"И" на "Е", то безграмотность Волка была бы не так очевидна.
Кстати, в другой (морской) серии Волк вместо гласной "Е"
произносит гласную "У" ("Ну, чУмодан - погоди!"). Во всяком
случае, так думают грамотные зрители. Но весьма возможно,
что Волк и в этом случае подразумевает "Ю"! Скорее всего,
он плохо учился, и не знает, как пишутся "ЧУ" и "ЩУ" :)

Положительные эмоции очень хорошо стимулируют грамотность.
Я как-то изготовил наклейки на тетрадки и дневники своих детей
с очевидными (для детей) грамматическими ошибками.
Это вызывало у них смех и заставляло задуваться о том, что
безграмотность может быть смешной...

Дядя Саша


> Dear Vlado,
>
> It is the Volk who changes the spelling to "Priuvet volku," and
> I always though that the joke was in the fact that Volk can't spell but
> attempts to correct what's written correctly. "IU" is also a letter that
> one
> normally would not write in a word when in doubt, it would more likely be
> "o"-"a", "i" -"E" that would make one (a schoolchild in particular, and
> that's a probable audience) think about choosing the correct letter.
> "Privet" might look like a word with the prefix "pri-" to Volk, and the
> audience half expects the Volk to write a "e" in stead of the "i", but he
> doesn't. Volk's mistake just does not make any sense, it's an abstract
> mistake that does not seem to have any logic behind it. Volk choses the
> most unlikely letter for his "correction", and that's what funny about it.
>
> "Iu" is also a letter with a literary history, i.e. the famous child who
> knows letter "iu" in "Moscow-Petushki," "Iu-z" Aleshkovksii, etc. I think
> it may be appealing because it is rarely used in the language, but it is a
> part of the name for the OCS letter "ius malyi" and "ius bol'shoi", so one
> could feel that "iu" is not only rare, unusual, but also "more archaic"
> than other letters.
>
> Yours,
>
> Inna Tigountsova
> PhD candidate
> Dept. of Slavic Languages and
> Literatures
> University of Toronto
>
> On Fri, 20 Aug 2004, Vladimir Benko wrote:
>
> > Dear SEELangers:
> >
> > This is a question from my friend:  In one of the "Nu pogodi" series,
> > the rabbit has changed the text on a "Privet volku" banner to
> > "Pryuvet volku".  Can you please explain what is the essence of this
> > apparent joke?  None of the dictionaries has helped us here :-(
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Vlado B, 11:15 Danubian Time
> >
> >
> > -----------------------------------------
> > Vladimir Benko      <Benko at fedu.uniba.sk>
> >
> > Comenius University, Faculty of Education
> > Moskovska 3, SK-81334 Bratislava
> > Tel +421-2-55576744         Fax -55572244
> >
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From annaplis at MAIL.RU  Wed Aug 25 08:49:28 2004
From: annaplis at MAIL.RU (Anna Plisetskaya)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:49:28 +0400
Subject: Pryuvet
Message-ID: <WED.25.AUG.2004.124928.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

P.S. А еще в романе Тургенева "Отцы и дети", по-моему, один герой говорит:
"Тюпюрь я обюспючен" вместе "Теперь я обеспечен", что, вероятно,
символизирует его недалекость и мещанство:-)

Анна


> Диа Инна!
>
> Ю а эбсолютли райт.
> Ай тинк ин ды сэйм вэй. Ай джаст вонт то эд самтин
> нот вери импортент. Доуз ваулз вид э даутфул саунд
>  а южуалли коллд "bezudarnyje glasnyje".
>
> (О, господи! Как я сочувствую тем, кто в своей работе
> не может использовать кириллицу. Я попытался представить
> себе, во что превратилась бы моя жизнь, если бы на моей
> клавиатуре не было латиницы - ужас!)
>
> Серия, в которой Волк исправляет правильную гласную
> "И" на неправильную, но странную гласную "Ю", не пятая,
> а четвертая (спортивная, но не олимпийская).
> Мультфильмы "Ну, погоди" предназначались в основном
> для детской аудитории. И, возможно, если бы Волк изменил
> "И" на "Е", то безграмотность Волка была бы не так очевидна.
> Кстати, в другой (морской) серии Волк вместо гласной "Е"
> произносит гласную "У" ("Ну, чУмодан - погоди!"). Во всяком
> случае, так думают грамотные зрители. Но весьма возможно,
> что Волк и в этом случае подразумевает "Ю"! Скорее всего,
> он плохо учился, и не знает, как пишутся "ЧУ" и "ЩУ" :)
>
> Положительные эмоции очень хорошо стимулируют грамотность.
> Я как-то изготовил наклейки на тетрадки и дневники своих детей
> с очевидными (для детей) грамматическими ошибками.
> Это вызывало у них смех и заставляло задуваться о том, что
> безграмотность может быть смешной...
>
> Дядя Саша
>
>
> > Dear Vlado,
> >
> > It is the Volk who changes the spelling to "Priuvet volku," and
> > I always though that the joke was in the fact that Volk can't spell but
> > attempts to correct what's written correctly. "IU" is also a letter that
> > one
> > normally would not write in a word when in doubt, it would more likely
be
> > "o"-"a", "i" -"E" that would make one (a schoolchild in particular, and
> > that's a probable audience) think about choosing the correct letter.
> > "Privet" might look like a word with the prefix "pri-" to Volk, and the
> > audience half expects the Volk to write a "e" in stead of the "i", but
he
> > doesn't. Volk's mistake just does not make any sense, it's an abstract
> > mistake that does not seem to have any logic behind it. Volk choses the
> > most unlikely letter for his "correction", and that's what funny about
it.
> >
> > "Iu" is also a letter with a literary history, i.e. the famous child who
> > knows letter "iu" in "Moscow-Petushki," "Iu-z" Aleshkovksii, etc. I
think
> > it may be appealing because it is rarely used in the language, but it is
a
> > part of the name for the OCS letter "ius malyi" and "ius bol'shoi", so
one
> > could feel that "iu" is not only rare, unusual, but also "more archaic"
> > than other letters.
> >
> > Yours,
> >
> > Inna Tigountsova
> > PhD candidate
> > Dept. of Slavic Languages and
> > Literatures
> > University of Toronto
> >
> > On Fri, 20 Aug 2004, Vladimir Benko wrote:
> >
> > > Dear SEELangers:
> > >
> > > This is a question from my friend:  In one of the "Nu pogodi" series,
> > > the rabbit has changed the text on a "Privet volku" banner to
> > > "Pryuvet volku".  Can you please explain what is the essence of this
> > > apparent joke?  None of the dictionaries has helped us here :-(
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Vlado B, 11:15 Danubian Time
> > >
> > >
> > > -----------------------------------------
> > > Vladimir Benko      <Benko at fedu.uniba.sk>
> > >
> > > Comenius University, Faculty of Education
> > > Moskovska 3, SK-81334 Bratislava
> > > Tel +421-2-55576744         Fax -55572244
> > >
> >
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From anthony.j.vanchu1 at JSC.NASA.GOV  Wed Aug 25 15:40:39 2004
From: anthony.j.vanchu1 at JSC.NASA.GOV (VANCHU, ANTHONY J. (JSC-AH) (TTI))
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:40:39 -0500
Subject: Oprah Interviews Tolstoi
Message-ID: <WED.25.AUG.2004.104039.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Apropros the Oprah/Tolstoi thread from a little while back:  for some fun,
take a look at this piece by Tom Frank from the online version of the
Smithsonian Magazine with Oprah interviewing Lev Nikolaevich...

http://www.smithsonianmag.si.edu/smithsonian/issues04/sep04/last.html


Tony Vanchu

Dr. Anthony J. Vanchu
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TechTrans International, Inc.
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From danielle at STUDIOTHEATRE.ORG  Wed Aug 25 20:01:25 2004
From: danielle at STUDIOTHEATRE.ORG (Danielle Amato)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:01:25 -0400
Subject: Music in Chekhov's Ivanov
Message-ID: <WED.25.AUG.2004.160125.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Hello!

I am working on a production of Chekhov's Ivanov, and I have been trying to
track down sheet music or recordings of the songs that appear throughout.
I've had some luck, but a few of the references have totally stumped me. If
anyone is familiar with the music, a nudge in the right direction would be
greatly appreciated!

Best,
Danielle


Act 1, Scene 2.
Borkin: (Ïðûãàåò.) Ïîåäó, ïîåäó... (Ïîåò.) Ïîåäó...
[Borkin: (Prygaet.) Poedu, poedu... (Poet.) Poedu... ]

Act 2.
Borkin's singing "Nicolas-voila" when he comes in -- a French song, but I
haven't been able to find music for it.

Act 3, Scene 2.
Lebedev: Ýñêóëàïèè  íàøå  íèæàéøåå...  (Ïîäàåò  Ëüâîâó  ðóêó  è
ïîåò.) "Äîêòîð, áàòþøêà, ñïàñèòå, ñìåðòè äî ñìåðòè áîþñü..."
[Lebedev: (Podaet  L'vovu  ruku  i  poet.) "Doktor, batyushka, spasite,
smerti do smerti boyus'..."]

Act 3, Scene 8.
Borkin: Øåë çà ïðîçîé, à íàòêíóëñÿ íà ïîýçèþ... (Ïîåò.) "ßâèëàñü òû, êàê
ïòàøêà ê ñâåòó..."
[Borkin: Shel za prozoj, a natknulsya na poeziyu... (Poet.) "Yavilas' ty,
kak ptashka k svetu..."]

And then there's the phrase that Anna Petrovna repeats in Act 1 that our
translation lists as a song, but the original does not: "Öâåòû ïîâòîðÿþòñÿ
êàæäóþ âåñíó, à ðàäîñòè íåò." [Tsvety povtoryayutsya kazhduyu vesnu, a
radosti net.]


Many thanks, and apologies in advance for any transliteration errors!


____
Danielle Mages Amato
Dramaturg / Literary Associate
The Studio Theatre
Washington, DC

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From Vladimir.Benko at FEDU.UNIBA.SK  Thu Aug 26 13:21:54 2004
From: Vladimir.Benko at FEDU.UNIBA.SK (Vladimir Benko)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 15:21:54 +0200
Subject: Prjuvet volku
In-Reply-To: <1093507856.412d9b109347c@www2.helsinki.fi>
Message-ID: <THU.26.AUG.2004.152154.0200.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear All,

Once again thanks to all who have responded (either off-list, or "on-
list).  I did not suspect that the issue might be so interesting :-)

Now, if I am not mistaken, at least some of the 19,000 "pryuvet"
occurrences (by Yandex) should be regarded in the "Nu pododi"
context...

Vsego dobrogo,

Vlado B, 15:20

-----------------------------------------
Vladimir Benko      <Benko at fedu.uniba.sk>

Comenius University, Faculty of Education
Moskovska 3, SK-81334 Bratislava
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From jmdavis at FAS.HARVARD.EDU  Thu Aug 26 15:04:22 2004
From: jmdavis at FAS.HARVARD.EDU (Jolanta Davis)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:04:22 -0400
Subject: New information on the AAASS Web site
In-Reply-To: <412E0011.29785.1037BBE@m3.fedu.uniba.sk>
Message-ID: <THU.26.AUG.2004.110422.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Colleagues,

I am pleased to inform you that the Web site of the American Association
for the Advancement of Slavic Studies (AAASS), www.aaass.org, will now
include some information that until now was available only to current
members in printed form.

The "Employment Opportunities," "Opportunities for Support," and "Calls for
Papers and Articles" columns until now were published only in the NewsNet,
the Association's newsmagazine. However, because of NewsNet's long
production schedule many announcements with a short deadline could not be
included. In response to many suggestions that these time-sensitive columns
be posted to the Internet, we decided to eliminate these announcements from
the newsletter, and instead include them on our Web site, where all Slavic
scholars, even non-members, will be able to get this information on a more
timely basis. We hope that Slavic scholars who visit these pages and who
are not yet members of the Association will decide to join the ranks of the
AAASS membership, to benefit from all that the Association has to offer.
For more information about the membership, see the Membership page.

You can see the three new columns at www.aaass.org, under the "Additional
Services" link.

The "Employment Opportunities for Slavic Scholars" site will accept listing
opportunities for Slavic scholars, both in and outside the academia, that
require some degree of knowledge of Slavic studies, and may also expect
additional skills and knowledge. We will accept job postings that are based
both in the U.S. and abroad.

The "Opportunities for Support" column will accept announcements of
fellowships, grants, and other opportunities for support of research and
study available and of interest to Slavic scholars.

The "Calls for Papers and Articles" column will accept calls for papers for
various meetings and conferences related to Slavic studies as well as calls
for articles for publication in Slavic-related journals or other publications.

If you have any questions or comments about these changes, please feel free
to contact me.

Sincerely,

Jolanta M. Davis
AAASS Publications Coordinator and NewsNet Editor

American Association for the Advancement of Slavic Studies (AAASS)
8 Story Street
Cambridge, MA
tel.: 617-495-0679
fax: 617-495-0680
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From flath at DUKE.EDU  Fri Aug 27 02:41:51 2004
From: flath at DUKE.EDU (Carol Flath)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:41:51 -0400
Subject: Oprah Interviews Tolstoi
Message-ID: <THU.26.AUG.2004.224151.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Apropros the Oprah/Tolstoi thread from a little while back:  for some fun,
take a look at this piece by Tom Frank from the online version of the
Smithsonian Magazine with Oprah interviewing Lev Nikolaevich...

http://www.smithsonianmag.si.edu/smithsonian/issues04/sep04/last.html


Tony Vanchu

Dr. Anthony J. Vanchu
Director, JSC Language Education Center
TechTrans International, Inc.
NASA Johnson Space Center
Houston, TX
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Fax:  (281) 483-4050

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From s-hill4 at UIUC.EDU  Fri Aug 27 06:03:38 2004
From: s-hill4 at UIUC.EDU (Steven Hill)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 01:03:38 -0500
Subject: bookstores
Message-ID: <FRI.27.AUG.2004.010338.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear colleagues:

I hope some sharp reader might update my rusty memory about Russian
bookdealers in the USA, with specific reference to the following two:

(1) "Russian Press Service" (Illinois) -- are they still operating?  Or out of
business?  And if still functioning,  do they have a current E-Mail address?

(2) "Fire Bird (Zhar-ptitsa)" -- was there once a Russian bookdealer  in the
US with that or similar name?  Or am I thinking of  "Focus" or "Russica" or
"Ermitazh," and thus conjuring up  a "Fire Bird" shop that never existed in
reality?

Gratefully,
Steven P Hill (Univ. of Illinois, USA).

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From kdlunde62 at HOTMAIL.COM  Fri Aug 27 14:45:09 2004
From: kdlunde62 at HOTMAIL.COM (Kern Lunde)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:45:09 -0400
Subject: bookstores
Message-ID: <FRI.27.AUG.2004.104509.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

A quick check using Google came up with the following for Russian Press
Service:

www.russianpress.com
email:  rps at russianpress.com

website appears to be working, but I haven't tried ordering anything from
them...  However, I did a quick check on a couple topics and found titles on
symposia that took place the summer of 2003, so it appears to have been kept
up.

Regards,
Kern Lunde


>From: Steven Hill <s-hill4 at UIUC.EDU>
>Reply-To: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list
><SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
>To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
>Subject: [SEELANGS] bookstores
>Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 01:03:38 -0500
>
>Dear colleagues:
>
>I hope some sharp reader might update my rusty memory about Russian
>bookdealers in the USA, with specific reference to the following two:
>
>(1) "Russian Press Service" (Illinois) -- are they still operating?  Or out
>of
>business?  And if still functioning,  do they have a current E-Mail
>address?
>
>(2) "Fire Bird (Zhar-ptitsa)" -- was there once a Russian bookdealer  in
>the
>US with that or similar name?  Or am I thinking of  "Focus" or "Russica" or
>"Ermitazh," and thus conjuring up  a "Fire Bird" shop that never existed in
>reality?
>
>Gratefully,
>Steven P Hill (Univ. of Illinois, USA).
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From apsiegel at UCDAVIS.EDU  Fri Aug 27 15:40:20 2004
From: apsiegel at UCDAVIS.EDU (Adam Siegel)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:40:20 -0700
Subject: bookstores
In-Reply-To: <BAY16-F97VQYAytB6Vs0007955e@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <FRI.27.AUG.2004.084020.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

RPS is still around--the're in Evanston, ILL.  We have use them here at
Davis.  Zhar-ptitsa is associated with Victor Kamkin (www.kamkin.com), I
believe.

Vsego xoroshego,

Adam

===========
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Humanities and Social Sciences Reference Librarian
Peter J. Shields Library
100 North West Quad
University of California, Davis
Davis, CA 95616
apsiegel at ucdavis.edu
530-754-6828

On Fri, 27 Aug 2004, Kern Lunde wrote:

> A quick check using Google came up with the following for Russian Press
> Service:
> 
> www.russianpress.com
> email:  rps at russianpress.com
> 
> website appears to be working, but I haven't tried ordering anything from
> them...  However, I did a quick check on a couple topics and found titles on
> symposia that took place the summer of 2003, so it appears to have been kept
> up.
> 
> Regards,
> Kern Lunde
> 
> 
> >From: Steven Hill <s-hill4 at UIUC.EDU>
> >Reply-To: Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list
> ><SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
> >To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
> >Subject: [SEELANGS] bookstores
> >Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 01:03:38 -0500
> >
> >Dear colleagues:
> >
> >I hope some sharp reader might update my rusty memory about Russian
> >bookdealers in the USA, with specific reference to the following two:
> >
> >(1) "Russian Press Service" (Illinois) -- are they still operating?  Or out
> >of
> >business?  And if still functioning,  do they have a current E-Mail
> >address?
> >
> >(2) "Fire Bird (Zhar-ptitsa)" -- was there once a Russian bookdealer  in
> >the
> >US with that or similar name?  Or am I thinking of  "Focus" or "Russica" or
> >"Ermitazh," and thus conjuring up  a "Fire Bird" shop that never existed in
> >reality?
> >
> >Gratefully,
> >Steven P Hill (Univ. of Illinois, USA).
> >
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From glebov at RCI.RUTGERS.EDU  Fri Aug 27 18:01:31 2004
From: glebov at RCI.RUTGERS.EDU (glebov at RCI.RUTGERS.EDU)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:01:31 -0400
Subject: advice on translation
Message-ID: <FRI.27.AUG.2004.140131.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear colleagues,

what would you suggest as the best translation of "human trafficking" into
Russian?

Many thanks in advance,

Sergey Glebov

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From apsiegel at UCDAVIS.EDU  Fri Aug 27 18:03:59 2004
From: apsiegel at UCDAVIS.EDU (Adam Siegel)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:03:59 -0700
Subject: advice on translation
In-Reply-To: <11604.24.60.65.198.1093629691.squirrel@webmail.rci.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <FRI.27.AUG.2004.110359.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Sergey,

I've seen "torgovlja ljud'mi" used.

Also: "kontrabanda ljud'mi."

Adam

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On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 glebov at RCI.RUTGERS.EDU wrote:

> Dear colleagues,
>
> what would you suggest as the best translation of "human trafficking" into
> Russian?
>
> Many thanks in advance,
>
> Sergey Glebov
>
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From paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM  Fri Aug 27 18:55:00 2004
From: paulbg at PBG-TRANSLATIONS.COM (Paul B. Gallagher)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:55:00 -0400
Subject: advice on translation
Message-ID: <FRI.27.AUG.2004.145500.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Sergey Glebov wrote:

> Dear colleagues,
>
> what would you suggest as the best translation of "human trafficking"
> into Russian?

Human rights organizations for whom I've worked use "торговля людьми,"
as noted elsewhere in this thread.

--
War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left.
--
Paul B. Gallagher
pbg translations, inc.
"Russian Translations That Read Like Originals"
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From annaplis at MAIL.RU  Fri Aug 27 20:31:20 2004
From: annaplis at MAIL.RU (Anna Plisetskaya)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:31:20 +0400
Subject: advice on translation
Message-ID: <SAT.28.AUG.2004.003120.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

So have I.
Anna


> Sergey,
>
> I've seen "torgovlja ljud'mi" used.
>
> Also: "kontrabanda ljud'mi."
>
> Adam

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From adk59 at HOTMAIL.COM  Sat Aug 28 04:49:49 2004
From: adk59 at HOTMAIL.COM (Andrew Kaufman)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:49:49 -0700
Subject: Taking Oprah's example to our campuses
Message-ID: <FRI.27.AUG.2004.214949.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

As one of the American Tolstoy experts working for Oprah's Book Club this
summer, I found the
"Oprah Interviews Lev Nikolaevich" piece hilarous. (From:    Carol Flath
<flath at DUKE.EDU>
Subject: Oprah Interviews Tolstoi)

The piece also captures (probably unintentionally) something important about
the role of serious books/serious ideas within our contemporary media
culture. The media wins. For better or worse, we live in a "society of the
spectacle," which is driven by the need for immediate gratification over the
desire for deeper kinds of knowledge.

Rather than disillusioning me, however, my Oprah experience has actually
deepened my awareness of the contemporary relevance of the Russian classics
to people's lives. I am convinced that there is an even larger potential
pool of future Russian majors on our campuses than we once thought.
We need to be even more creative, proactive, and "media-savvy" in
demonstrating to them how the study of Russian culture can contribute to
their longterm professional and personal goals. Oprah was able to do this
with a national audience. I am convinced that we Slavists can do it even
better on our own campuses!

I'd be interested in beginning a discussion with others on this important
issue. Let's pull together our collective experiences and find new ways to
bring Russian literature to the masses--the American masses.



Andy Kaufman, Ph.D.
Independent Scholar
13141 Riverside Drive, Suite 304
Sherman Oaks, CA 91423
Office: 818 386 9339
Mobile: 818 723 2009
www.professorandy.com




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From condee at PITT.EDU  Sat Aug 28 14:29:24 2004
From: condee at PITT.EDU (Nancy Condee)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 10:29:24 -0400
Subject: International Symposium on Modernity and Contemporaneity:
 Pittsburgh, PA Nov.4-6, 2004
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International Symposium on Modernity and Contemporaneity: Pittsburgh, PA
Nov. 4-6, 2004
 
The University of Pittsburgh will bring together a group of the world’s
leading scholars and art theorists for a Nov. 4-6 symposium entitled
“Modernity and Contemporaneity: Antinomies of Art and Culture After the
20th Century.”  Among the symposium participants are Fredric Jameson,
Bruno Latour, Antonio Negri, Rosalind Krauss, Susan Buck-Morss, Boris
Groys, and Lev Manovich. The symposium will challenge the notions of
“modern” and “contemporary” as they relate to both the works in the
exhibition and to art and culture throughout the world.

The symposium, co-organized by Pitt’s Department of History of Art and
Architecture and the Graduate Program for Cultural Studies, will be held
in conjunction with the 54th Carnegie International, considered North
America’s leading survey of new art work worldwide.  The Carnegie
International, organized this year by curator Laura Hoptman, is known as
a barometer of contemporary artistic directions in the Americas, Europe,
Asia, and elsewhere. Just as “modernism” and “postmodernist” have been
used to describe previous periods and movements in the 20th century, the
time in which we now live is already articulating its own descriptives.
What are they? Where are we now?

Conveners: Terry Smith, Okwui Enwezor, Nancy Condee 
Registration deadline: 1 October (to avoid late fee) For additional
information and registration, see: http://www.mc.pitt.edu/

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From aisrael at AMERICAN.EDU  Sun Aug 29 02:59:03 2004
From: aisrael at AMERICAN.EDU (Alina Israeli)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:59:03 -0400
Subject: Svetlana Khorkina
In-Reply-To: <002d01c489b6$6ea9ee20$1f075452@e5z8g9>
Message-ID: <SAT.28.AUG.2004.225903.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

>> Svetlana Khorkina, in which she is quoted as saying: "I want to win a gold
>> medal as much as I want to mother my own child."
>
>
>-----"Konechno,mne zhal' rasstavat'sja s gimnastikoj. No kak kazhdaja
>zhenschina ja xochu chtoby u menja byla ljubov',sem'ja,deti...."

 Касательно своей дальнейшей карьеры Хоркина дала понять, что хотела бы
совмещать ее с работой в Международной федерации гимнастики. "Я хочу, чтобы
в гимнастике ценился класс, иначе гимнастика умрет. Я хочу, как любая
женщина, иметь семью, любовь и детей", - добавила Светлана Хоркина.
(http://msk.vlasti.net/index/news/72253)

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From flath at DUKE.EDU  Sun Aug 29 05:03:18 2004
From: flath at DUKE.EDU (Carol Flath)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 01:03:18 -0400
Subject: Taking Oprah's example to our campuses
In-Reply-To: <BAY17-F35LqN33HFnwp000c6dd1@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <SUN.29.AUG.2004.010318.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

>just wanted to thank Tony Vanchu for the original posting.




>
>The piece also captures (probably unintentionally) something important about
>the role of serious books/serious ideas within our contemporary media
>culture. The media wins. For better or worse, we live in a "society of the
>spectacle," which is driven by the need for immediate gratification over the
>desire for deeper kinds of knowledge.
>
>Rather than disillusioning me, however, my Oprah experience has actually
>deepened my awareness of the contemporary relevance of the Russian classics
>to people's lives. I am convinced that there is an even larger potential
>pool of future Russian majors on our campuses than we once thought.
>We need to be even more creative, proactive, and "media-savvy" in
>demonstrating to them how the study of Russian culture can contribute to
>their longterm professional and personal goals. Oprah was able to do this
>with a national audience. I am convinced that we Slavists can do it even
>better on our own campuses!
>
>I'd be interested in beginning a discussion with others on this important
>issue. Let's pull together our collective experiences and find new ways to
>bring Russian literature to the masses--the American masses.
>
>
>
>Andy Kaufman, Ph.D.
>Independent Scholar
>13141 Riverside Drive, Suite 304
>Sherman Oaks, CA 91423
>Office: 818 386 9339
>Mobile: 818 723 2009
>www.professorandy.com
>
>
>
>
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From s-hill4 at UIUC.EDU  Sun Aug 29 17:30:40 2004
From: s-hill4 at UIUC.EDU (Steven Hill)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:30:40 -0500
Subject: bookdealers' addresses (continued)
Message-ID: <SUN.29.AUG.2004.123040.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear helpful colleagues:

I'm grateful for indispensable feedback from Kern Lunde & Adam Siegel on
my problems trying to establish currently workable E-Mail addresses of
Russian booksellers in the USA.   (I have been pulling out Russian book
catalogs accumulated over the years, lifting "coordinates" from them,  and
recycling the old catalogs themselves. But I'm learning that E-Mail
addresses can be very changeable things...)

This week I had tried the old E-Mail address for Russian Press Service in IL
("RPSINC at MCS.COM") -- it bounced back.   Today I tried the new address
suggested by Kern Lunde ("RPS at RUSSIANPRESS.COM") & it didn't
bounce back, so let's hope it's okay.

Likewise, Victor Kamkin in MD ("KAMKIN at IGC.APC.ORG") -- bounced back.

Likewise, Znanie in San Francisco ("ZNANIE at BEST.COM" ) -- bounced
back.

So not only did the old catalogs "expire" & should be recycled, but also
the E-Mail addresses expired as well.

Do I recall reading a few years ago that Victor Kamkin Inc. had run into
serious financial problems (allegedly unpaid taxes?) and was in danger of
going out of business?   Or was that problem finally resolved favorably?

I've heard no news (bad or good) about Znanie, but I'd been assuming they
are still functioning...

Gratefully,
Steven P Hill (Univ. of IL, USA).
"S-HILL4 at UIUC.EDU"

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From aisrael at AMERICAN.EDU  Sun Aug 29 17:40:29 2004
From: aisrael at AMERICAN.EDU (Alina Israeli)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 13:40:29 -0400
Subject: bookdealers' addresses (continued)
In-Reply-To: <4d2818c8.778f4986.823de00@expms6.cites.uiuc.edu>
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>Likewise, Victor Kamkin in MD ("KAMKIN at IGC.APC.ORG") -- bounced back.

Try http://www.kamkin.com/

Also in MD http://www.russia-on-line.com/

>Likewise, Znanie in San Francisco ("ZNANIE at BEST.COM" ) -- bounced
>back.

Try Google for your searches:


San Francisco Bookstores - UZ
... Francisco, CA. 415-362-1203. Financial District North. Znanie Bookstore
5237 Geary Blvd - San Francisco, CA. 415-752-7555. Inner Richmond. ...
sanfrancisco.zami.com/Bookstore/U-Z - 16k

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From kdlunde62 at HOTMAIL.COM  Sun Aug 29 19:59:53 2004
From: kdlunde62 at HOTMAIL.COM (Kern Lunde)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:59:53 -0500
Subject: bookdealers' addresses (continued)
Message-ID: <SUN.29.AUG.2004.145953.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Steven,
  And, just after I had sent my earlier post, I noticed this on the bottom
of Kamkin's webpage, which answers one of your original questions:

"NB: Former "Firebird Publications, Inc." is wholly owned by Victor Kamkin,
Inc."

Regards,
Kern Lunde
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Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] bookdealers' addresses (continued)


> >Likewise, Victor Kamkin in MD ("KAMKIN at IGC.APC.ORG") -- bounced back.
>
> Try http://www.kamkin.com/
>
> Also in MD http://www.russia-on-line.com/
>
> >Likewise, Znanie in San Francisco ("ZNANIE at BEST.COM" ) -- bounced
> >back.
>
> Try Google for your searches:
>
>
> San Francisco Bookstores - UZ
> ... Francisco, CA. 415-362-1203. Financial District North. Znanie
Bookstore
> 5237 Geary Blvd - San Francisco, CA. 415-752-7555. Inner Richmond. ...
> sanfrancisco.zami.com/Bookstore/U-Z - 16k
>
> __________________________
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>  LFS, American University
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>
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From kdlunde62 at HOTMAIL.COM  Sun Aug 29 19:57:15 2004
From: kdlunde62 at HOTMAIL.COM (Kern Lunde)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:57:15 -0500
Subject: bookdealers' addresses (continued)
Message-ID: <SUN.29.AUG.2004.145715.0500.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Steven,
  Victor Kamkin is still in business.  I, too, had heard that they were
about to have some problems, but they were able to stay in business, but in
a new location.  I really don't have any background on what the particular
circumstances were.  I had a chance to visit their new store last year while
I was on a business trip in the area, and I just ordered some books from
their website about 3 weeks ago (and they showed up only 2-3 days later!).
Their new contact information is:

Victor Kamkin, Inc.
220 Girard Street, Suite I
Gaithersburg, MD  20877
www.kamkin.com
ph. (301) 990-4010
fax (301) 990-4822
email: kamkin at kamkin.com

Regards,
Kern Lunde


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From: "Steven Hill" <s-hill4 at UIUC.EDU>
To: <SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 12:30 PM
Subject: [SEELANGS] bookdealers' addresses (continued)


> Dear helpful colleagues:
>
> I'm grateful for indispensable feedback from Kern Lunde & Adam Siegel on
> my problems trying to establish currently workable E-Mail addresses of
> Russian booksellers in the USA.   (I have been pulling out Russian book
> catalogs accumulated over the years, lifting "coordinates" from them,  and
> recycling the old catalogs themselves. But I'm learning that E-Mail
> addresses can be very changeable things...)
>
> This week I had tried the old E-Mail address for Russian Press Service in
IL
> ("RPSINC at MCS.COM") -- it bounced back.   Today I tried the new address
> suggested by Kern Lunde ("RPS at RUSSIANPRESS.COM") & it didn't
> bounce back, so let's hope it's okay.
>
> Likewise, Victor Kamkin in MD ("KAMKIN at IGC.APC.ORG") -- bounced back.
>
> Likewise, Znanie in San Francisco ("ZNANIE at BEST.COM" ) -- bounced
> back.
>
> So not only did the old catalogs "expire" & should be recycled, but also
> the E-Mail addresses expired as well.
>
> Do I recall reading a few years ago that Victor Kamkin Inc. had run into
> serious financial problems (allegedly unpaid taxes?) and was in danger of
> going out of business?   Or was that problem finally resolved favorably?
>
> I've heard no news (bad or good) about Znanie, but I'd been assuming they
> are still functioning...
>
> Gratefully,
> Steven P Hill (Univ. of IL, USA).
> "S-HILL4 at UIUC.EDU"
>
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From Lvisson at AOL.COM  Sun Aug 29 22:02:09 2004
From: Lvisson at AOL.COM (Lvisson at AOL.COM)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:02:09 EDT
Subject: bookdealers' addresses (continued)
Message-ID: <SUN.29.AUG.2004.180209.EDT.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

There is also www.kniga.com which ships from New York,  - wide choice of
Russian books - and Panorama books which has   e-mail catalogues with an excellent
selection of scholarly literature; to get catalogues write to
panoramrus at aol.com

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From aisrael at AMERICAN.EDU  Sun Aug 29 22:26:13 2004
From: aisrael at AMERICAN.EDU (Alina Israeli)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:26:13 -0400
Subject: bookdealers' addresses (continued)
In-Reply-To: <86.14931b38.2e63ac61@aol.com>
Message-ID: <SUN.29.AUG.2004.182613.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

>There is also www.kniga.com which ships from New York,  - wide choice of
>Russian books - and Panorama books which has   e-mail catalogues with an
>excellent
>selection of scholarly literature; to get catalogues write to
>panoramrus at aol.com

Indeed. Benjamin Sher already compiled one such list, so it's worth
checking it first (Kamkin, Panorama, Kniga, Hermitage and many others are
already there and their addresses have been updated) :
http://www.websher.net/inx/icdefault1.htm#cat002

__________________________
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From wolandusa at YAHOO.COM  Sun Aug 29 23:39:45 2004
From: wolandusa at YAHOO.COM (Anna Dranova)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 16:39:45 -0700
Subject: Books: Brockhaus Encyclopedia & Dostoevsky
Message-ID: <SUN.29.AUG.2004.163945.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

If any Slavists are in need of the Brockhaus
Encyclopedia (the Terra reprint, new, still in the
jackets, 86 vols.), I can offer a set at about half
the usual price. I also have an extra set of
Dostoevsky (Polnoe sobranie sochinenii v 30 tomakh).
If interested, please contact me offline.
  -- Anna Dranova



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From irapek at MAIL.RU  Mon Aug 30 08:14:01 2004
From: irapek at MAIL.RU (Irina Pekunova)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:14:01 +0400
Subject: Books: Brockhaus Encyclopedia & Dostoevsky
In-Reply-To: <20040829233945.29416.qmail@web51603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <MON.30.AUG.2004.121401.0400.IRAPEK@MAIL.RU>

I would like to buy the Encyclopedia, but I would like to know the exact price
regards
Irina Pekunova

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To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 16:39:45 -0700
Subject: [SEELANGS] Books: Brockhaus Encyclopedia & Dostoevsky

>
> If any Slavists are in need of the Brockhaus
> Encyclopedia (the Terra reprint, new, still in the
> jackets, 86 vols.), I can offer a set at about half
> the usual price. I also have an extra set of
> Dostoevsky (Polnoe sobranie sochinenii v 30 tomakh).
> If interested, please contact me offline.
>   -- Anna Dranova
>
>
>
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From paulr at RUSSIANLIFE.NET  Mon Aug 30 12:45:55 2004
From: paulr at RUSSIANLIFE.NET (Paul Richardson)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:45:55 -0400
Subject: Online booksellers
Message-ID: <MON.30.AUG.2004.084555.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

In reply to Stephen Hill¹s queries and the various replies about online
booksellers...

As it turns out, the current issue of Russian Life magazine contains a
review & listing of some of the reliable places online to (a) access full
texts of Russian works of fiction; (b) buy Russian books through online
stores.

The full text of the article, with links, is at:

http://www.rispubs.com/bksonline.cfm

Cheers,

Paul Richardson


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From douglas at NYU.EDU  Mon Aug 30 13:55:02 2004
From: douglas at NYU.EDU (Charlotte Douglas)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:55:02 -0400
Subject: bookdealers' addresses (continued)
In-Reply-To: <l03130309bd5807ddf189@[192.168.123.170]>
Message-ID: <MON.30.AUG.2004.095502.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I have had excellent experience with Esterum Books.  The website and office
is located in Frankfurt, Germany, but the books are shipped directly -- and
quickly! -- from Moscow and Petersburg.  http://www.esterum.com

The owner, Leonid Mejibovski, is knowledgeable about books and very
helpful.  On several occasions he has located books for me that were not
listed on the website.

Charlotte Douglas
(douglas at nyu.edu)

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From wolandusa at YAHOO.COM  Mon Aug 30 23:18:57 2004
From: wolandusa at YAHOO.COM (Anna Dranova)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 16:18:57 -0700
Subject: Brockhaus Encyclopedia,  Dostoevsky (30 vols.)
Message-ID: <MON.30.AUG.2004.161857.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

In my previous announcement offering Dostoevsky in 33
vols., and the Terra reprint of the Brockhaus
encyclopedia (86 vols., unopened), I meant to say
"reply off-list."
  Anna Dranova
  wolandusa at yahoo.com



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From alif at STANFORD.EDU  Tue Aug 31 00:50:24 2004
From: alif at STANFORD.EDU (Elif Batuman)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:50:24 -0700
Subject: Svetlana Khorkina
In-Reply-To: <l03130304bd56f6cbcbcc@[192.168.123.170]>
Message-ID: <MON.30.AUG.2004.175024.0700.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELANGERS,

Many thanks to all who responded (on- and off-list) with regard to
Svetlana Khorkina.  I learned about a wide array of subjects, ranging from
Khorkina's attitude towards motherhood, to Slavists' attitudes towards
gymnastics in general / Khorkina in particular.  Now, for those who all
week may have been restlessly pondering the question of what Khorkina
actually said to NBC, I hasten to report the winning answer: "Ia zhdu etoi
medali, kak mat' zhdet rozhdeniia rebenka."

Thanks again,
Elif Batuman

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From cosmoschool2 at MAIL.RU  Tue Aug 31 17:47:39 2004
From: cosmoschool2 at MAIL.RU (Cosmopolitan)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:47:39 +0400
Subject: Homestay Style Russian Program in Novosibirsk
Message-ID: <TUE.31.AUG.2004.214739.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear Colleagues,

The COSMOPOLITAN International Language School, located in Novosibirsk, the largest city in Siberia, Russia, is accepting applications from prospective students willing to sign up for our Homestay Style Russian Studies Program for the fall 2004, winter 2005, spring 2005 and summer 2005. 

We believe that the individual approach and complete language and cultural immersion, that we apply in our school, are the most effective methods of language learning and expanding your knowledge of the local culture. Everyone can expect a warm and friendly atmosphere along with professional service.

The objective of the course is for students to acquire proficiency in spoken and written Russian, focusing particularly on grammatical accuracy and oral
communication in practical settings. The highlights of the program is a combination of individual intensive tuition and extensive social and cultural program which is an extraordinarily enriching and rewarding experience.

Siberia has been opening up to the West now and offers a range of still unexplored experiences and opportunities. As the cultural, scientific and educational center of Siberia and the third largest city of Russia (after Moscow and St.Petersburg), surrounded by picturesque wooded and field areas, Novosibirsk is an excellent place for immersion in the Russian language and culture, and provides many opportunities to experience the hospitality and cordiality Siberians are famed for.

We would really appreciate your assistance in publicizing our program among your students and people who might be interested in attending. For further details please email cosmopolitan at online.nsk.su 


Regards,

 

Natasha Bodrova,

 

Director of International Language School "Cosmopolitan",

 

Novosibirsk, Russia

 

cosmopolitan at online.nsk.su

cosmoschool2 at mail.ru



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From klinela at PROVIDE.NET  Tue Aug 31 15:13:45 2004
From: klinela at PROVIDE.NET (Laura Kline)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:13:45 -0400
Subject: Vozvrashchenie
Message-ID: <TUE.31.AUG.2004.111345.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

Dear SEELANGers,
Does anyone know how to get hold of a copy of the movie "Vozvrashchenie"
with English subtitles?
Thank you,

Laura Kline
Lecturer in Russian
Department of German and Slavic Studies
Wayne State University
450 Manoogian
906 W. Warren
Detroit, MI  48197
(313) 577-2666
www.shalamov.com

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From jataubman at AMHERST.EDU  Tue Aug 31 15:46:07 2004
From: jataubman at AMHERST.EDU (Jane Taubman)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:46:07 -0400
Subject: Vozvrashchenie
Message-ID: <TUE.31.AUG.2004.114607.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

So far, I've only seen it on a PAL DVD without subtitles from
www.rbcvideo.com.

Laura Kline wrote:

>Dear SEELANGers,
>Does anyone know how to get hold of a copy of the movie "Vozvrashchenie"
>with English subtitles?
>Thank you,
>
>Laura Kline
>Lecturer in Russian
>Department of German and Slavic Studies
>Wayne State University
>450 Manoogian
>906 W. Warren
>Detroit, MI  48197
>(313) 577-2666
>www.shalamov.com
>
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From mkatz at MIDDLEBURY.EDU  Tue Aug 31 18:12:59 2004
From: mkatz at MIDDLEBURY.EDU (Katz, Michael)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:12:59 -0400
Subject: quote
Message-ID: <TUE.31.AUG.2004.141259.0400.SEELANGS@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>

I should know this, but...

"My homeland is not Russia, but Russian literature."

Correct?
Who wrote it?
When and where?

Thanks.

Michael Katz

Dean of Language Schools and Schools Abroad
209 Sunderland Language Center
Middlebury College
Middlebury, VT 05753
Tel: 802-443-2447
Fax: 802-443-2075
e-mail: mkatz at middlebury.edu

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