Detectability of Onegin's latent homosexuality, Martha Fiennes and my A

[atacama at global.co.za]

Why is it that most people on this List seem to forget
that being a Dandy in that Period was the "in-thing",
it was the height of fashion and all well-born men did
their best to demonstrate their status in life by being
well-turned out....

There is a difference between a Dandy and a Pansy.
Beau Brummel (the singer now living in SA running a
nudist colony) is being blamed for being overtly 
heterosexual, although he modelled himself on the
real Beau Brummel.

Just look at the costume dramas, historic films,
the recently released Casanova, Hamlet in tights,
the Roman/Grecian/Trojan heroes, men in skirts and
sandals with a sword....Please don't start telling
me that ALL our male literary heroes are 'gay'....
They are not here to defend their 'honour' or
challenge you to a duel.

Vera Beljakova
Johannesburg



















Original Message:
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From: Matthew Herrington herrington.matthew at GMAIL.COM
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 02:25:50 -0400
To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] Detectability of Onegin's latent homosexuality,
Martha Fiennes and my "A"


Dear Maryna,

Are you so completely "sexually underdevelopped" that you
equate homosexuality with transvestitism, or are you just trying to be
offensive?

Despite what you may have learned in you class on EO, Pushkin clearly makes
Onegin a bit of a dandy.  With dandyism comes lots of associations and
sexual ambiguity is among them.

That said, it does seem quite heavy-handed (and pointless) to refer to a
fictional character's "latent homosexuality"; acknowledging the ambiguity
and addressing the multiple levels of sexual attraction that may or may not
be discerned in the text seems sufficient.

Matthew Herrington

PS- And to answer your question, I don't know how come you got an A.


On 4/9/06, Maryna Vinarska <vinarska at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Daniel Rancour-Laferriere <darancourlaferriere at COMCAST.NET> wrote:
> These comments, it seems to me, demonstrate that Onegin's latent
> homosexuality - or his gayness, if you prefer - is detectable even by
> non-psychoanalysts.
>
> ...............I wouldn't be so sure that his latent homosexuality is
> really so detectable.
> Some years ago I took a class exactly on Evgenij Onegin in one American
> university... I am puzzled... I didn't miss any class. However, I don't
> remember smb to come up with this, I would say, extremely extravagant
idea,
> either any of my classmates or our professor. I can't recall even a hint
or
> smth. I don't know... maybe my sexually underdevelopped mind missed it
> somehow, was not able to perceive, apprehend, grasp it...
> I asked a friend of mine about that. She was in the same class. She said
> she is probably sexually underdevelopped as well... Martha Fiennes was not
> among my classmates, but it seems she belongs to our club anyway...
> By the way, my transcript says I got an A... How come? I didn't even
> approach that insight into the REAL Onegin...
>
> Regards,
> Maryna Vinarska
>
> P.S. I am wondering how Onegin may look like in the next screen version.
> Lipsticked?
> Although, to tell the truth, I am much more concerned about the next
> screen version of Gogolian NOS...
>
>
>
>
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