[SEELANGS] on to "vicarious"

[Marina Brodskaya]

what if you were to combine the verb "perezhivat" with "chuzhaja" beda,
avarija, i esli uzh "katastrofa" then specify kakaja imenno --
avtomobil'naja, dorozhnaja, for example. And finally, using the verb
"soperezhivat" (as in soboleznovat') may sufficiently imply "chuzhaja."
m

Quoting FRISON Philippe <Philippe.FRISON at COE.INT>:

> Let me a,other try:
>
> what about "katastrofa tchuzhimi glazami ?"
>
> Philippe
>
> : Slavic & East European Languages and Literature list de la part de
> Maryna Vinarska
> Date: mer. 19/04/2006 00:31
> À: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
> Objet : Re: [SEELANGS] on to "vicarious"
>
>
>
> I would go away from the word catastrophe at all, if it is a title, to
> avoid all those associations the reader may get if you combine it with
> "virtualnyj".
> I would say: "V mire televizionnykh strastej" or "V mire televizionnykh
> dram", or "V mire televizionnykh tragedij". Sure, if I understood
> correctly what the article is supposed to be about. Then I would simply
> give a subtitle, smth like: Chto my chuvstvyem, kogda vidim chuzhoe gore
> na ekrane, or smth like this.
> MV
>
> Condee <condee at PITT.EDU> wrote: I agree, Alina, and would only add that
> the English is intentionally
> non-normative as well, and therein lies the double burden.
>
> Thanks to all who submitted ideas, both posted and direct to me.
>
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> Graduate Program for Cultural Studies
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU] On Behalf Of Alina Israeli
> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 1:15 PM
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> Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] on to "vicarious"
>
> >I thought about the same term "oposredovannyj" but it seems that in this
> >context Kenneth Katzner's dictionary has a better solution. It gives
> >"chuzhoj" as the translation of "vicarious."  Then "Vicarious
> Catastrophe"
> >becomes "Chuzhaja avarija."
>
> I'd like to disagree with Katzner. "chuzhoj" is opposed to "svoj" in
> Russian: Chuzhaja nosha ne tjanet, Svoja rubashka blizhe k telu. Someone
> else's has no effect on you. Vicarious, on the other hand, is what you
> experience second-hand, so to speak. One may get vicarious pleasure from
> gift giving, for ex. Cambridge dictionary gives "vicarious thrill from
> watching motor racing". Granted, vacarious is more common in English, but
> so are many other psychological terms. While it's possible to find
> "opsredovannoe udovol'stvie", it's not so easy with catastrophes, because
> in this case Russians "sochuvstvujut" or "soperezhivajut".
>
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