Russian Germans / Rossians and Russians

[Daniel Rancour-Laferriere]

Dear Vera,
OK, but how about "rossiiskie nemtsy?"  Does that sound artificial?  Or
is it natural, referring to less russified people of German extraction
than "russkie nemtsy?"

Daniel RL

atacama at global.co.za wrote:

>Dear Daniel,
>
>  
>
>> But "russkii nemets"? - I 
>>    
>>
>have heard it said that this expression is perfectly normal (e.g., the 
>large emigre population living in Berlin), while others have said it is 
>impossible. 
>
>Perfectly normal, and not only does it refer to the large
>emigree population in Berlin and elsewhere in Germany,
>(refugees having taken out German citizenship), but it also 
>refers to large, almost 2-million (before the exodus back to 
>the ancestral homeland Germany), ethnic Germans living in
>Russia with Russian citizenship, such as the settlers on the
>Volga since 1764....known also as Volga Germans, 
>(povolzhskie nemtzy), Black Sea Germans, Siberian Germans, 
>Volhynian Germans, etc/
>
>If one were to be pedantic, then one would call
><ethnic Germans in Russia> = <nemtzy Rossii>
>
><Russkie nemtzy> would signify more Russian Germans,
>those of German blood but fairly integrated into Russia,
>and well as colloquially 
>ethnic Russian emigrees living in Germany.
>
>Yes, I know this is not always logical and sounds contradictory,
>but, as said, it is a well-used colloquialism. 
>
>When speaking loosely, conversationally, and not pedantically,
>it could refer to a 
>Russian living in Germany or a 
>German living in Russia.
>- so it depends on the topic of conversation.
>
>Nemtzi Rossii is used more for the ethnic German colonists
>(farmer/settlers from 1764 onwards),
>who lived once in closed village communities,
>safeguarding their German language, religion, traditions, etc.
>
>Hope this makes it slightly clearer.
>
>Vera Beljakova-Miller  
>
>
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