Another query - What is then

[Maryna Vinarska]

Okay. I see, "spousal companionship", if it is not "grazhdanskii brak"(absolutely neutral and common in Russian), as I thought, is probably that what is called "brak na bumage" in Russian, although I am still not sure that I understood it correctly. This  means that two people live together but have no sexual relations just because they have them with smb else. And they don't want to legally divorce because of any reason. They may even practice some activities together, even travel around the world, like in one of my favourite movies, "Ishchite zhenshchinu": "V raznykh kaiutakh, dorogaia?" "Luchshe v raznykh okeanakh, dorogoi..." 
But if this is it, then it really doesn't fit "supruzheskaia blizost" in some theological text, although in any other context it may be okay, if used ironically when describing the fact of common business interests.
I hope this time I understood it correctly.
Maryna Vnarska

John Dunn <J.Dunn at SLAVONIC.ARTS.GLA.AC.UK> wrote: Restaurant reviewers share their meals, but not necessarily their beds with their companions; with their partners it is the other way round.  And to me 'companionship' in the context of two people living together does indeed imply abstinence from sexual relations.  But I do have some sympathy with Maryna Vinarska, since everything is indeed changing: 20 years ago if you introduced someone as 'my partner', it would be assumed you were referring to your 'business partner'.  One reason for its introduction was the absence in English of anything corresponding to the Russian euphemism гражданский брак[grazhdanskii brak] (the British phrase 'common-law marriage' is both old-fashioned and somewhat pejorative), though in current usage the advantage of 'partner' is that it is neutral with respect to matrimony, whether lawful or holy.  

John Dunn.



-----Original Message-----
From: Maryna Vinarska 
To: SEELANGS at LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 10:12:32 -0700
Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] Another query - What is then "spousal companionship"?

I don't understand it... For me "companion" means "partner". And I thought that companionship is the same with partnership, meaning Partnerschaft, which is "grazhdanskij brak" in Russian, i.e. "supruzheskaia blizost'" which is not legalized. Yes, in the theological language they used to have a special name for this kind of relationship, but everything is changing...
So it seems I misunderstood everything.
What is that "spousal companionship" at all then? What does it imply and how is it supposed to be called in Russian?

Alina Israeli  wrote: >I came across the phrase "supruzheskaya blizost'" in a context where
>in English one would expect
>"conjugal relations" or "marital relations".  Neither phrase is
>ambiguous in English, and either one is
>suitable for high-toned moralistic literature, but the Russian struck
>me as a euphemism for a euphemism.
>Couldn't it just as easily imply "spousal companionship", which is
>nice but not identical to "marital relations"?

No, it couldn't. The Russian phrase is totally completely unequivocally
unambiguous.

There are some other phrases which may look euphemistical, yet are
unambiguous as well:

Oni blizki. Oni sostojat v blizkix otnoshenijax.

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