TRANSLATION OF DESCARTES QUOTE "Myslyu, seldovatel'no sushchestvuyu"

[Hugh Olmsted]

Except that in the St. Mark Russian example there is nothing  
particularly curious about it.  The question as posed in the Russian  
translation is:  TY li Khristos (this sense evident in the word  
order)? –  (meaning is it YOU who are Christ?); to which the  
appropriate answer must be with respect to which person, not with  
respect to existence.  Thus, not 'I AM', but 'I am' [it is I who  
am].  I.e., "ia".
Hugh Olmsted


On May 6, 2009, at 12:20 PM, Kim Braithwaite wrote:

> Regarding the absence of a copula (refer to John Dunn's posting)  
> there is a curious passage in the Russian - not Church Slavonic -  
> version of St Mark, namely Chapter 14 Verses 61-62:
>
> ... [the high priest asks Jesus] Ty li Khristos ... ? [Jesus  
> answers] Ia; i vy uzrite Syna ....
>
> That's it. Ia all by itself here means "I am" and is the equivalent  
> of the original Greek and indeed the Church Slavonic where the  
> copula is present.
>
> I always wondered about that. Any other examples?
>
> Mr Kim Braithwaite, Translator
> "Good is better than evil, because it's nicer" - Mammy Yokum (Al Capp)
>
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> Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] TRANSLATION OF DESCARTES QUOTE "Myslyu,  
> seldovatel'no sushchestvuyu"
>
>
> The same Wikipedia that Philippe mentioned has an article on the  
> phrase
> that many of us know:
>
> http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogito_ergo_sum
>
> It has its history and Russian variants.
>
>
> FRISON Philippe wrote:
>> < мыслю, следовательно существую > See: http://ru.wikipedia.org/ 
>> wiki/%D0%94%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82,_%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B5
>>
>>
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