быbefore or after verb (UNCLASSIF IED)

[Riley, Maureen Ms CIV USA DLI-W]

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Google also registers/counts errors, grammatical and otherwise.  Yet another reason not to consider it authoritative in any way.

I'm glad the questioner repeated his question: the discussion that followed the original posting seems to have missed it entirely.

mr 

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Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] бы before or after verb / быт ь / complex sentences

I don't like relying on google for these sorts of issues because it doesn't answer the heart of the question, in this case: *Is there a *difference* to the ear of a native speaker?* Is there an actual difference in meaning? Is there (as my native speaking friend suggested) a feel of "laziness" in one version? So much more reliable to ask a panel of native speaking experts (my beloved SEELANGS group), than relying on cold, heartless, number-crunching google.

Mark



2010/9/15 E Wayles Browne <ewb2 at cornell.edu>

> Well, Google shows millions of On byl by and millions of On by byl 
> (really when you look at all the examples, there are 505 instances of 
> On byl by and 446 of On by byl).
> So seemingly both are possible.
>
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> From: John Langran <john at RUSLAN.CO.UK>
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> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 12:49:12 -0400
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> Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] бы before or after verb / быт ь / complex 
> sentences
>
> But бы cannot be placed before быть, I suppose:
>
> Он был бы рад, в огонь и в дым,
> за вас погибнуть дважды...
>
> What I am not sure of is whether the order is possibly optional in the 
> second part of a complex sentence with two "бы" s?
> Если бы она не вышда за него, она вышла бы за другого.
> or
> Если бы она не вышда за него, она бы вышла за другого.
>
> John Langran
> www.ruslan.co.uk
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