Fw: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: [SEELANGS] быbefore or after verb]]

[B. Shir]

I am posting this on behalf of Jerry Katsell:

--- On Thu, 9/16/10, Jerome Katsell <jerry3 at roadrunner.com> wrote:

From: Jerome Katsell <jerry3 at roadrunner.com>
Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: [SEELANGS] бы before or after verb]]
To: "Liza Ginzburg" <redorbrown at yahoo.com>
Date: Thursday, September 16, 2010, 12:11 AM




  
  




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      Subject: 
      Re: [Fwd: [SEELANGS] бы before or after verb]
    
    
      Date: 
      Wed, 15 Sep 2010 10:31:17 -0700
    
    
      From: 
      Jerome Katsell <jerry3 at roadrunner.com>
    
    
      To: 
      Mark Kingdom <k2kingdom at gmail.com>
    
    
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       Liza,

       

       As a favor could you forward this message to SEELANGS.

       I can read the site but they don't accept my messages. Thanks,
Jerry.


  
  
    

  I wanted to add this to the "beseda" about бы before or after the
verb. Here are a couple of sextets

from Pushkin's famous poem on insanity, beauty, the authoritarian state
and freedom.

"Не дай мне бог сойти с ума". Сould you possibly pass this on to the
web site?

    

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Когда б оставили меня

На воле, как бы резво я

    Пустился в темный лес!

Я пел бы в пламенном бреду,

Я забывался бы в чаду

    Нестройных, чудных грез.

    

И я б заслушивался волн,

И я глядел бы счастье полн,

    В пустые небеса;

И силен, волен был бы я,

Как вихорь, роющий поля,

    Ломающий леса.

    

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One might say, "well, this is poetry," but Pushkin in these iambic

lines uses бы before and after the verb, in unstressed and stressed

position. 

    

Thank you,

    

Jerry Katsell

    

    

    

    

    

    

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          Subject: 
          [SEELANGS] бы before or after verb
        
        
          Date: 
          Wed, 15 Sep 2010 18:19:43 +0300
        
        
          From: 
          Mark Kingdom <k2kingdom at GMAIL.COM>
        
        
          Reply-To:
          
          SEELANGS: Slavic & East European Languages and
Literatures list <SEELANGS at bama.ua.edu>
        
        
          To: 
          SEELANGS at bama.ua.edu
        
      
    
    

    

    Hi all,

I wrote the following sentence to a Russian friend of mine:

Я купил бы эту вещь, но у меня нет денег.

She replied, (quoting) "...using бы after the verb is lazy, as if you are
giving yourself time to think of an excuse."

She says it is better to use бы before the verb: Я бы купил эту вещь, но у
меня нет денег.

I was taught that you can say it either way. What *is* the difference in
placement? Do you agree with my friend's statement?

Thanks!

Mark

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