ne mozhno

[William Ryan]

l'zia was fine in Old Russian. For more recent use see Dal', as some of 
us aged pedagogues have mentioned before - under "moga" you will find 
Russian sayings which include ne mozhno; and l'zia has an entry of its 
own, marked as nar. So "l'zia" is archaic or folksy and therefore 
available as a stylistic alternative for ironic, poetic or just jokey 
use, or for historical colour.

Incidentally, for Ashot, "mightn't" is normal spoken English, and "an't 
I" is regional.

Will Ryan


On 03/03/2011 15:04, Gasan Gusejnov wrote:
> As an old Russian proverb says, "Is it forbidden by your religion to google
> in yandex?"
>
> Look for "Ne mozhno" in Pushkin's
> Poltava<http://yandex.ru/yandsearch?text=%D0%B2%D0%BF%D1%80%D1%8F%D1%87%D1%8C+%D0%BD%D0%B5+%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%BD%D0%BE+%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%8F+%D0%B8+%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BD%D1%83%D1%8E+%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%8C&lr=178>
> Look for "l'zya" in Sumarokov or
> Derzhavin<http://www.stihi-rus.ru/1/Derzhavin/23.htm>
> .
>
> There is a name for such usage: solecism<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solecism>
> .
>
> Sometimes there is irony or self-irony in it, sometimes not.
> Sometimes it is a violation of the standard or norm, but among people of
> literacy it is a rather sublime usage.
>
> gg
>
> On 3 March 2011 15:39, Ashot Vardanyan<uiowashot at yahoo.com>  wrote:
>
>> It's as funny as the "l'zya" form used ironically or just as a joke for
>> "mozhno". Of course, "ne mozhno" is not a standard, nor is "l'zya" at all.
>> To
>> me, sounds something like "mayn't" or even"mightn't" in English which sound
>> terrible, don't they?
>>
>> Ashot Vardanyan
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: anne marie devlin<anne_mariedevlin at HOTMAIL.COM>
>> To: SEELANGS at bama.ua.edu
>> Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 4:07:14 AM
>> Subject: [SEELANGS] ne mozhno
>>
>> Dear all,
>> one of my native speaker students used 'ne mozhno' as a response.  I don't
>> think
>> I've come across that before and was always under the impression that  it
>> wasn't
>> possible.  Just wondering what your thoughts are on it.
>> Thanks
>> AM
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