porazgovarivat'
Gladney, Frank Y
gladney at ILLINOIS.EDU
Wed Feb 15 19:32:25 UTC 2012
Pobalivat' differs in structure from porazgovarivat'. It is the intermittent-attenuative of pobolet' (also the imperfective of the latter, although grammars deny it). It is razgovarivat' that has the structure of pobalivat': prefix + verb root + iterative thematization (aka suffix). Razgovarivat' prefixed is predictably perfective. If it were possible to prefix pobalivat', the result would be perfective as well.
Frank Y. Gladney
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Porazgovarivat' seems to be able to express the semantic components delimitation and/or repetition to varying degrees of cognitive salience. In the strictly delimitative meaning 'converse for a while', the designation of the verb as perfective is appropriate, but when repetition is expressed more saliently in a more quasi-intermittent-attenuative meaning (i.e., describing conversations occurring from time to time), as in "С каким духом из прошлой жизни ты бы хотел поразговаривать?", the designation of the verbal aspect as imperfective would seem more appropriate.
Note that Timofeev (1966: 26) describes a similar phenomenon with the imperfective intermittent-attenuative pobalivala 'hurt from time to time' in the following example, where the semantic component repetition (from time to time) is neutralized, so that delimitation (in this case, delimitation of intensity; 'a little') is expressed more saliently:
Pridja domoj, Samgin leg. Pobalivala golova, ni o čem ne dumalos´ i ne bylo nikakix želanij. (Rus; Timofeev 1966: 26)
‘Coming home, Samgin lay down. His head was hurting a little, he thought of nothing and had no desires.’
Timofeev explains that in this context, 'hurt somewhat' occurs "at that very moment, not from time to time" (Zdes´ “bolela nemnogo, nesil´no”, no v tot imenno moment, ne vremja ot vremeni) (cf., Christensen: 2012).
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The only context I can imagine using this word in is a rude "поразговаривай мне тут!"
> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 03:27:56 -0600
> From: maksympopelyshrosochynsky2013 at U.NORTHWESTERN.EDU
> Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] porazgovarivat'
> To: SEELANGS at bama.ua.edu
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> It is perfective, but I agree that the word is awkward. I thought about the
> situations where one would actually use it. Usually, поговорить is used
> instead.
>
> Давайте поговорим о Вашей работе. А ну давай выйдем и поговорим о твоем
> поведении. О чем вы вчера говорили?
>
> Поговорить (о чем-то) usually implies a specific subject/theme of a
> conversation, while разговаривать is to talk about many things that are not
> necessarily related. So It would be a mistake to use "поразговаривать" in
> these cases.
>
> Google retrieves some phrases where the word поразговаривать seems to be
> justified: Here are several examples:
> С какой программой можно по микрофону поразговаривать? :)
> С каким духом из прошлой жизни ты бы хотел поразговаривать?:) vs о чем ты
> бы хотел с ним поговорить? :)
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 1:40 AM, Daria Khitrova <khitrova at ucla.edu> wrote:
>
> > The word is rather awkward. As a Russian speaker I barely imagine myself
> > using it at all. However, it seems to be perfective. I am not a linguist,
> > but I would suggest it can sound just a little imperfective compared to the
> > regular pogovorit' (which I would use instead).
> > Best,
> > Daria Khitrova
> >
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> >
> > Dear Russian speakers,
> >
> > The _Bolshoj tolkovyj slovar' russkogo jazyka_, ed. S. A. Kuznecov (2004)
> > labels _porazgovarivat'_ nsv (imperfective) but translates it as 'provesti
> > [perfective] nekotoroe vremja razgovarivaja'. Similarly structured verbs,
> > like _porazmyshljat'_ and _porassuzhdat'_, are labeled sv (perfective). Is
> > the first labeling a misprint?
> >
> > Frank Y. Gladney
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