Is it of much use?

Thu Mar 8 13:01:39 UTC 2012

Thanks Ann for details. For Russian this works the following way:

Past:
   One-time action (= action happend at some moment in the past,
=simple): Я прочитал (=  I read)
   Long-time action (= action was happening in the past, =
progressive): Я читал (= I was      reading, = Я был читающим)
   Result (= two actions, the first is simple tense, the next - we
speak of this action): Я прочитал (= I had read, = Я имел прочитанным,
= У меня было прочитано)
   Long result (= two actions, the first is progressive tense, the
next - we speak of this action in the Past): Я читал (= I had been
read, = Я имелся пробытым читающим = У меня было пробыто читающим)

Present:
   One-time action (= action happens every day, always, rarely,
frequently = in other words actions which make up everydayness,
=simple): Я читаю (= I read)
   Long-time action (= action is happening now, = progressive): Я
читаю (= I am reading, = Я есть читающий)
   Result (= two actions, the first is simple tense, the next - we
speak of this action in the Present): Я прочитал (= I have read, = Я
имею прочитанным, = У меня  прочитано)
   Long result (= two actions, the first is progressive tense, the
next - we speak of this action in the Present): Я читал (= I have been
reading, = Я имеюсь пробытым читающим = У меня пробыто читающим)

  Future:
   One-time action (= action will happen , =simple): Я прочитаю (= I will read)
   Long-time action (= action will be happening, = progressive): Я
буду читать (= I will be reading, = Я бубу быть читающим)
   Result (= two actions, the first is simple tense, the next - we
speak of this action in the Future): Я прочитал (= I will have read, =
Я буду иметь прочитанным, = У меня будет  прочитано)
   Long result (= two actions, the first is progressive tense, the
next - we speak of this action in the Future): telling the truth I
don't know how to shape it for Russian :(

I think this table can be made for any language.

With respect, Konstantin.

2012/3/8, anne marie devlin <anne_mariedevlin at hotmail.com>:
> Dear Konstantin (+ John),
> the proposed model is basically a separation of tense and aspect.  The tense
> refers to the basic times when an action/state happens i.e past present and
> future and the aspects refer to what I always refer to as additional
> information.
> An example could be the verb to read.
>
> In the present tense there are 3 aspects: I read, I am reading and I have
> read.  I read is the simple and refers to habitual use.  I am reading is
> continuous/progressive which is now or temporary and the really difficult is
> the perfect aspect which can refer to result or experience.  this can also
> be developed to I have been reading which can often answer the question 'how
> long?'
>
> In the past this is realised as I read (red), I was reading and I had read
> with the aspectual meaning being comparative.
>
> I the future it would be I will read, I will be reading and I will have
> read.
>
> I think it's a useful model and I often present it as tense + extra
> information.
>
> Regards
> AM
>
>
>> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 11:17:26 +0000
>> From: John.Dunn at GLASGOW.AC.UK
>> Subject: Re: [SEELANGS] Is it of much use?
>> To: SEELANGS at bama.ua.edu
>>
>> Konstantin,
>>
>> It might be helpful if you could illustrate this scheme using a real verb.
>> Though I am old enough to have been given a reasonably formal grounding in
>> English grammar at school, one part of the system that was never properly
>> explained to us was the tense system of the verb, perhaps because the
>> model that underlay the grammar that we were taught was more appropriate
>> for Latin than for English. I mention this because one consequence of my
>> ignorance is that whenever I come across an account of the English tense
>> system intended for foreign learners, I find the terminology rather
>> mystifying and often at odds with my own intuitive understanding.
>>
>> John Dunn.
>>
>> ________________________________________
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>> [SEELANGS at bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Goloviznin Konstantin
>> [kottcoos at GMAIL.COM]
>> Sent: 08 March 2012 11:18
>> To: SEELANGS at bama.ua.edu
>> Subject: [SEELANGS] Is it of much use?
>>
>> Hello Seelangers,
>>
>> I think this should be of some interest or even more... Some linguist
>> (= teacher of English from Saint-Petersburg) has proposed a system of
>> English tenses. Instead of these he uses three times (=Past, Present,
>> Future) and three + 1 types of actions: one-time actions (=simple
>> tenses), processes or long-time actions (=progerssive ), results (=
>> perfects) + long-time results (= progressive perfects). That is, in
>> every of Past, Present, Future you can have three + 1 type of actions.
>>
>> I see it real simpification in understanding what English tenses
>> really are. From another hand this classifier is universal because of
>> applicable to any language (for Russian as example).
>>
>> And from the third hand, I consider a methodic having this classifier
>> in as a real hit, but others see it a miss.
>>
>> Looking forward to your posts, Konstantin.
>>
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